Can you tell the difference? 0.20€ vs 20€ capacitors

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Oliver Tobyn

Oliver Tobyn

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@MooreBass
@MooreBass 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, it seems capacitor type doesn't matter, at least I can't tell a difference between types. I only hear a difference between values. Thanks for the comparison, nice work!
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin).................Cut it now Mundorf Silver Gold Cap
@bassfishingwiththeantichri2921
@bassfishingwiththeantichri2921 4 жыл бұрын
The Emerson .047uF sounded the sweetest because it looks the most like candy.
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin).................Cut it now Mundorf Silver Gold Cap....!
@qua7771
@qua7771 2 жыл бұрын
I think they would all taste the same.
@liquidstar9
@liquidstar9 3 жыл бұрын
great video! and just my $.02, i've been playing bass for about 30 years now, and am also an audio engineer and work with electronics for a living, primarily servicing tube amps and guitar/bass electronics. i have spent a LOT of time in proper listening environments auditioning (at least) hundreds of caps of various values and construction types, and i might have some useful info for why some things are easy to hear and others not so much. first of all, i did hear differences in this video between the caps, most obviously between changing values of the same type of cap, and more subtly so between the various construction types. i must say that cap differences in this video are not presented in a way that best reveals what's changing when the cap swaps, though that isn't meant as a fault or problem. the reason the different construction types were hard to tell apart was because the artifacts of a cap's construction type are in the *dynamics* and note envelope, how the tone and feel change OVER TIME AS THE NOTES DECAY, and how that juxtaposes with the next note played. it's a matter of the unique "dynamic signature" (and by "dynamic" i simply mean volume/tonal changes over time) arising from artifacts of physical construction. what i usually notice is whether the instrument seems to play more stiffly or loosely, how the "bounce" of the rhythm sounds, but not in the frequency rolloff differences like you get when simply shifting the capacitance amount. with swapping construction types, it's a difference i feel more than hear, especially when i'm playing the instrument under test. it may seem trivial, and under these conditions on youtube, it may kind of be. but try it out yourself sometime on your own instrument and amp setup. see if you can notice changes in how pleasant or unpleasant the instrument is to play through the amp. with polyprop/polyester and some mylar type caps, i notice they tend to make the instrument seem to play stiffer and tighter and more focused, and this is whether the tone is fully down or up. styrene caps have a slightly sticky and sparkly character i notice. paper-in-oil type caps act very differently, they almost seem to have a tiny bit of reverberance or some resonance-based sound artifacts. i have also noticed that changing the cap's voltage rating can make a big difference; generally speaking, for most caps i've worked with, lower voltage rating caps don't sound nearly as pleasant as higher voltage rating caps. anyway, well worth messing with and dialing in right. ,
@BasszusX
@BasszusX Жыл бұрын
Hi Jon! Thanks... How high should be that voltage, 200v, 300v, 600v or? Which would be the best?
@liquidstar9
@liquidstar9 Жыл бұрын
@@BasszusX it's instrument level, so basically any voltage will work fine. however, i have noticed over time that the higher voltage rated caps i've used tend to sound significantly better, though i have no idea why. perfect example - the CDE 940 and 942 series available at mouser, the 3kV ones sound amazing, to my ear far better than the ones rated for lower voltages. again, not sure why, but there that is.
@stuartchapman5171
@stuartchapman5171 Жыл бұрын
I'm interested as to what your opinion of the ceramic capacitors is? I could tell a subtle difference on this test. The More expensive ones had a lower cut off poiny, I wouldn't say that in this test one was better than another, just different, very slightly but different.
@liquidstar9
@liquidstar9 Жыл бұрын
@@stuartchapman5171 i thought the 100nF brown ceramics in this video sounded great. i wasn't super impressed with the cheap red or yellow film ones, though the small white plastic film ones sounded good. i dig the low end on the big yellow film Auricap.
@BasszusX
@BasszusX Жыл бұрын
​@@liquidstar9 Thank you very much! Sorry for the very late reply, but I wasn`t notified by KZbin, and good that I checked again now. Thank you!!!
@yvesboutin5604
@yvesboutin5604 11 күн бұрын
They sounded almost the same but I was very surprised to see higher frequencies seemed more muffled than the lower ones! Great comparison and a great learning experience too! Thanks!
@troytaylor1913
@troytaylor1913 4 жыл бұрын
I only go by value and voltage. Technology has made caps of the same electrical value many times smaller and less expensive comparing to 50 years ago. I re-capped a 1960 transistor radio with modern caps and the crowded circuit board looked empty when I finished it. It works and sounds good. I've been troubleshooting electronics all my life and worked 13 years being a engineering tech in manufacturing. I know nothing about guitars but lately being around someone that rebuilds guitars I think there is a lot of guitar myths in electronic components.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Some vintage caps even sell for $50-60 which is insane. I'm not saying you should put the cheapest components in the instrument, but you can find something decent for less than $10
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin).................Cut it now Mundorf Silver Gold Cap...........!!!
@ranman58635
@ranman58635 Жыл бұрын
I've noticed a lot of newer guitar repair people popping up all over. The market used to be fun but now all the repair people are combing the market and snagging up the deals. I've got 6 100 dollar guitar's now and I guess they're all mine now. It only seems natural though cause of the times we live in. It's a guitar tec world now.
@mashilmy
@mashilmy 3 жыл бұрын
Capacitor type doesn't matter at all, but the values really matter. i only hear a very little different bass response on The Emerson .047uF. but I really like the tone of 100uF caps on p Bass, it almost like double bass tone.
@robertstephanek7063
@robertstephanek7063 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic side by side comparison! Exactly what I was looking for!
@bertrandmajorik6589
@bertrandmajorik6589 4 жыл бұрын
BASS player here, I was expecting some tonal difference, alas, just the price changed!!! Might try a 100nf one.
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin).......................,,,
@jamesfornillos4783
@jamesfornillos4783 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the comparison you did with changing caps as the big difference in the sound is noticeable, but I also noticed that you played the 47's with the 3 strings below but played the 100's with the 3 top strings, and that makes me feel the difference may not be really that big if played in the same strings.
@stevenmike1878
@stevenmike1878 4 жыл бұрын
its more a placebo. if you have an old sentimental guitar and wanna get her new pots, cloth wrapped wire, oil paper transistors as a project of passion kind of thing, but for performance it don't really matter. the only difference paper transistors make is they age with the guitar and loose capacitance so they don't get a bassie, its more of a product failing. but if you have a child and you wanna give a tele, strat, les paul/sg variant to, the paper transistors might be a cool mod they might appreciate when they are much much older like 30's+ if they hold onto the guitar that is. just make sure the pickups are alnico 2 thru 5, those will slightly age as well with the wood of the guitar, its recomended its the same wood species as the authentic vintage models. with modern machining even a low priced guitar is excellent precision quality vs. hoping jimmy in the 50's was having a good day at the guitar factory.
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin).................Cut it now Mundorf Silver Gold Cap..................!!
@xavibsa
@xavibsa 4 жыл бұрын
The big yellow one sounds amazing!
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Also the most expensive one haha
@wildizer
@wildizer 3 жыл бұрын
Once you have the amp turned up and playing a gig with a band, I'm sure someone in the audience will be able to easily point out the capacitor type of each guitar and bass while they are playing.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 3 жыл бұрын
I only listen to bass players who use 47 nF capacitors
@thefuzz4447
@thefuzz4447 3 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn 😂😂😂
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin).................Cut it now Mundorf Silver Gold Cap................!!
@0Imtheslime0
@0Imtheslime0 2 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
@liquidstar9
@liquidstar9 Жыл бұрын
that's actually a really good point. i doubt most folks could tell or would care. on the other hand though, the cap will still affect how the instrument plays a little bit, to whoever is playing it. if it helps me perform a little better because i'm connecting with the music more easily than usual, i'd consider that worth the trouble.
@giulioluzzardi7632
@giulioluzzardi7632 5 ай бұрын
Changing from linear to audio taper regardless of Capacitor makes a difference you can feel. Linear seems to have a more sensitive effect as you turn from 0 to 10 you can hear/ feel the variation from 1 to 2 2 to 3 etc up to 9 and 10. Best sound I heard was a Jensen .1uf paper and oil with a CTS linear pot. It was a bit big for the Guitar so I changed it but the recorded tone had a tighter and punchier sound.
@rafaelsolis6845
@rafaelsolis6845 3 ай бұрын
Really nice explain about capacitors 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@gabrielaszczerbiak6633
@gabrielaszczerbiak6633 4 жыл бұрын
si que hay diferencia. No esperes que la notes inmediatamente, pero tocando seguido si te das cuenta. Ademas tocando en la banda se nota mas la diferencia
@fullhd6598
@fullhd6598 4 жыл бұрын
Cual recomiendas?
@gabrielaszczerbiak6633
@gabrielaszczerbiak6633 4 жыл бұрын
@@fullhd6598 22nf
@jonayamaha3215
@jonayamaha3215 3 жыл бұрын
i listened to it with some in ear monitors and the little white ones are the best, i think those are mkp type caps, they sound better than the rest, and the 1st time i heard the 8 dollars one i like it the most.
@celsiusswatt6021
@celsiusswatt6021 10 ай бұрын
At these voltages and low frequency, only capacitance value matters. Ceramics also can be non-linear and producing harmonics and may be exhibiting microphonics effect, but not at these voltage levels. So pick the cheap high volume polypropylene ones and you'll be happy...
@smilbourne1981
@smilbourne1981 4 жыл бұрын
The Emerson ones look cool, but that is all for nothing when they’re locked away in the back of the instrument. Sound wise, there is no difference at similar values.
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 жыл бұрын
I heard it. Not a musician, huh?
@lawabidingcitizen5153
@lawabidingcitizen5153 4 жыл бұрын
@@richsackett3423 There really isn't any significant difference...
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 жыл бұрын
@@lawabidingcitizen5153 A difference is a difference. It's obviously not identical.
@lawabidingcitizen5153
@lawabidingcitizen5153 4 жыл бұрын
@@richsackett3423 It's not a difference I care for, in the final mix it doesn't matter if you have a cheap capacitor from Radioshack/Pollin/Conrad or an expensive Emerson one, and I'm still not convinced that the differences heard here aren't just small human inconsistencies...
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 жыл бұрын
@@lawabidingcitizen5153 Instruments are for musicians. If I can tell the difference as a player, none of that other stuff downstream matters. Playing my P-Bass, I'm on the Tone knob all night. The tone cap is an important part of my instrument. I can tell the difference by how many usable sounds I can get. Wasn't "Human Inconsistencies" a two-man electronic band from the early 80s? FWIW, The Emerson didn't sound best.
@mattwarrensocal
@mattwarrensocal 2 жыл бұрын
The paper in oil has a more open sound stage with a punchy mid range and warm timbers. That’s a lie. Great vid. Mind blown!
@georgemacdonald3087
@georgemacdonald3087 Жыл бұрын
All those people who claim to hear the differences remind me of the "Golden Ears" Hi-Fi experts who used to write for the Hi-Fi magazines who in my ignorance I used to pour over. When they failed miserably in true blind tests, which they always did, they complained that this was due to any number of circumstances that hindered their hearing. Aye, Right! Apart from anything else, we are listening to this on You Tube which compresses the audio and most probably through crapola speakers..... but fill yer boots.
@Zacharydderrick
@Zacharydderrick 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, thank you.
@gogotrololo
@gogotrololo 6 күн бұрын
learned more from this than anyone trying to word-salad an explanation at me
@tjsogmc
@tjsogmc Жыл бұрын
The only thing that really matters is how much the capacitor drifts when the temperature changes. Other than that, your "tone" knob takes care of the tone.
@danskebassister22
@danskebassister22 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with your conclusion. And blind tests are a bloody safe proof!
@KurtCobain2021
@KurtCobain2021 2 жыл бұрын
Where to get the 47nf yellow cap? @2:35 ?
@BulletproofFaces
@BulletproofFaces 3 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear: are the samples with the tone rolled all the way off? If so, I would think that it would be most flexible to have the 100nf cap, to have a wider range of sonic possibilities from open to closed tone pot. You would cover the range of the 47nf cap and then some. Or am I misunderstanding something? Very interesting comparison. Thank you!
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's the sound when the pot is turned all the way. Some people prefer a slightly longer or shorter range, hence having different values
@thierrylemetayer3371
@thierrylemetayer3371 2 жыл бұрын
thank you very much !
@linandy1
@linandy1 4 жыл бұрын
Was a tantalum tested also? They are supposed to sound gritty and harsh.
@Mxgic_Mike_77
@Mxgic_Mike_77 4 жыл бұрын
That .022 uf Cap sounds like a jazz bridge pickup. What do you think about using a push pull switch? .1 uf and .022 uf on a Precision Bass?
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's quite a common mod. Helpful if you want that deep bass sound of the 100nf and the burpy mid range of the 22 nF
@rocknrollmouseuk
@rocknrollmouseuk 4 жыл бұрын
A push/pull pot for tone with different caps is a mod I have on several of my guitars, I tend to think of it as changing voices.
@bradt.3555
@bradt.3555 4 жыл бұрын
Since signal never actually passes thru a capacitor what it's made out of is only for it's application. The only thing that matters to tone is how fast it charges and dis-charges (it's value).
@toastedphantom3007
@toastedphantom3007 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, high frequency AC current can pass though a capacitor. Low frequency AC is filtered to a degree and DC is the one that get's blocked entirely.
@bradt.3555
@bradt.3555 3 жыл бұрын
@@toastedphantom3007 , I'm curious how current passes at any freq. since the two poles are insulated from each other by the dielectric material.
@toastedphantom3007
@toastedphantom3007 3 жыл бұрын
@@bradt.3555 I can't explain it very well but you can see a capacitor as a frequency based resistor. The higher the frequency the less the resistance becomes. Technically there is no such thing as an insulation aside from vacuum and even that is debatable. There are only dielectrics; if the voltage or frequency is high enough, current will pass through a dielectric.
@bradt.3555
@bradt.3555 3 жыл бұрын
@@toastedphantom3007 , Electrons flow very freely thru a vacuum, that's the basis for a vacuum tube. Within the range of human hearing no current will pass thru a cap.The analogy of a freq. based resistor is not whats happening in a circuit. With dc current flows till the cap is charged then stops. With ac it charges and dis-charges at the rate of the freq. When it's ability to hold a charge is greater than the freq. then it's charging, dis-charging allows current to flow in the circuit continuously. When the time it takes it to charge, dis-charge is less than the freq. the time current flows in the circuit becomes reduced.Current is not actually passing thru it as with a resistor. That's why a resistor passes dc. Dielectrics become polarized but the electrons are so tightly bound to the atoms that the electron from the negative side never push them to the next atom to finally get to the positive side, until the voltage becomes high enough to over come it. In practice a dielectric is a resistor with near infinite resistance. If you do the math the freq. for current to flow is like in the quadra-trillion range.
@toastedphantom3007
@toastedphantom3007 3 жыл бұрын
@@bradt.3555 Interesting, thanks for sharing your knowledge. This confuses too to some extent since in audio circuits I often see a capacitor being placed in series right before a speaker. I've also seen caps used in grounding wires as a low pass filter. A frequency based resistor is the only explanation that made sense to me. On second thought, wouldn't the rapid charging and discharging of the cap reproduce the voltage curve on the other side of the cap but phase shifted?
@MrElopez55
@MrElopez55 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, in your experience, since you have a Dimarzio Model P equipped P-bass, what capacitor would you suggest to get the most out of the pickups in terms of tonal possibilities from mellow to aggressive (say, Steve Harris kind of sound)? I am still waiting for my set to arrive and it will take a little long, since I don’t live in the US, but I got someone who can get me stuff from there to my country. Also, do you use the suggested setup as in Dimarzio webpage (500k pots for volume and 250k for tone)? Would it work to have both with 500k pots to get the most sonic possibilities out of them? I currently have both pots with 250k resistance and the cap is 0.047 mF. Your comments are always welcome, thanks.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 5 жыл бұрын
Hi! I use a Fender TBX tone pot on a couple of basses, which acts as a 1Meg pot, and it works quite well. Two 500k pots will give you a definitely brighter sound, which might work well with the Di Marzio as they tend to be slightly on the darker side. In the past I used 500k pots with Seymour Duncan pickups and the bass sounded way too bright. Concerning the capacitor, a 100nF one will give you a nice deep and warm sound when your pot is all the way. That and 500k pots will probably give you a nice range of sounds, from bright to mellow.
@lookingatyouforever
@lookingatyouforever 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@davidcudlip6587
@davidcudlip6587 9 ай бұрын
Orange drops are my favorite caps. Because they sound better? Nope. I just like the color orange.
@jerryabrowne
@jerryabrowne Күн бұрын
I can't read the text on the screen, only the cap values.
@PorchBass
@PorchBass 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes we worry too much i guess! Great test
@Zombie_13x33
@Zombie_13x33 Жыл бұрын
isnt this like sayign energize batteries sound best for active pickups?? serious question cus they all mostly seem the same when the same values.
@chrisdado
@chrisdado 2 жыл бұрын
The only time a capacitor will make any significant difference to the signal is if it causes distortion, ie, defective, badly installed, or is micro-phonic. More important considerations are temperature stability, lifespan, and not suffering from micro-phonic issues (ceramics). Film capacitors rule the roost here.
@wawaw1867SW
@wawaw1867SW Жыл бұрын
I can’t hear anything that would make me shell out more than a few quid on a 47nf capacitor. I’ll stick with orange drop, as it’s what came with my wiring kit, but it was building from scratch, I’d go with the cheapest
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn Жыл бұрын
Yup, not worth spending that much on something you're not even using most of the time (probably). A decent one such as an orange drop is more than you need.
@erockscott1184
@erockscott1184 3 жыл бұрын
Trying to figure out if when you said clean...did that mean the pot wide open??....and the rest if them rolled all the way down??
@miguelrichartmellado2834
@miguelrichartmellado2834 Жыл бұрын
Puedes hacer esta prueba con una guitarra ? Con un bajo no me aclaro.
@Herfinnur
@Herfinnur 3 жыл бұрын
IMO, the reason for getting high-grade, modern capacitors would be not for tone but for getting less noise and hum
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 3 жыл бұрын
Eh. I guess. Still, most hum comes from pickups and bad shielding, and if you're using the tone pot those frequencies get sent to ground anyway
@Herfinnur
@Herfinnur 3 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn I should clarify that I know nothing. It was just a thought because I myself have been guilty of focusing so much on tone and feel that I filter out the difference in noise, and I've found out the embarrassing way that the reason to get good electronics isn't just to sound better. It's also so that your whole rig is better protected against challenging work environments, like when your tremolo pedal picks up the swan song of a slowly dying stage light, or when you (hypothetically) have been paid as a classically trained singer to perform a delicate version of Amazing Grace" at a crematory funeral and the shoddy diy wiring of your pristine Jeff Buckley-like 200€ Tele neck pickup starts imitating the Mike Tyson drone as the elevator starts lowering the casket. Also there might hypothetically be some lush reverb pedal that makes it sound even more like a satanic horror movie. I shudder with embarrassment just typing this.
@vitaliistep
@vitaliistep 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. The audiofoolery has been busted again.
@candidoescuela5644
@candidoescuela5644 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thanks a lot
@Cosmic-Spanner
@Cosmic-Spanner Жыл бұрын
This supports 20 years of my experimentation. Cap-type mojo is a myth. I use mylar because they don't drift when it's hot.
@2204JCM
@2204JCM 2 жыл бұрын
People need to understand that the way the caps were demo’d is like when you have your tone pot on 0. Who plays like that? When its on 10 very little signal goes to ground through the cap. Meaning the cap is doing very close to nothing with the pot on 10. So if you think there is little to no difference between caps in this demo then multiply that by 100 with the pot turned up. So in real conditions your just not going to hear a difference at all.
@lynch7
@lynch7 4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! My favourite is definitely the Auricap XO, how did you find that one? It's usually for audio stuff but is that the most organic/transparent to you?
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! They do all sound slightly different, probably because of the slight difference in values honestly. Though on an instrument I wouldn't probably use the super cheap stuff. The Black candy one seems fair enough to me
@MugheesMohiuddin
@MugheesMohiuddin 3 жыл бұрын
Was looking to upgrade caps on my old jbl l112 crossover i was told to use film and foil. Which are expensive. What do you suggest
@shean-koklim4197
@shean-koklim4197 4 жыл бұрын
Fantabulous.
@nealo814
@nealo814 3 жыл бұрын
I presume this is the sound you gets when you roll off the tone knob when its installed. Tone on 10 on a no load pot would be the clean sound.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, this it how it sounds when the pot is rolled all the way. Of course, you can dial in all the in-betweens
@nealo814
@nealo814 3 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn great doing my strat at the minute put a .47 orange drop in it.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 3 жыл бұрын
@@nealo814 sounds good! Maybe 47 could be a little dark for a guitar, but I've never tried so it would be interesting to hear it!
@nealo814
@nealo814 3 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn I have one in my tele. Good on single coils but a lot of people use a .22. I took a 22 out. I can always put it back in
@rocknrollmouseuk
@rocknrollmouseuk 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Oliver, did you try reversing an Orange Drop? To my ear 'text towards pick-up' vs 'text toward output' can give a big change, hence I always check an orange drop before fitting - sometimes I like the brighter orientation sometimes the darker (sadly I've read there is no consistency in printing so each cap has to be checked before soldering).
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Never actually heard any difference, regardless of orientation. I really don't believe there is any to be honest
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn Why did you waste your time doing this if you had your mind made up before you started? That's intellectually dishonest.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
@@richsackett3423 I wouldn't say I had my mind made up before I started. I didn't even know this was a thing. Just didn't hear any difference, regardless of orientation. Why would there be any anyway? As far as I know they are simmetrical
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn Perfect components do not exist. There are more parameters for capacitors than uF. FWIW, impedance is a frequency-variable phenomenon. Not clear why you bring up the straw man of orientation. Sorry you can't hear the difference. Critical listening is a handy skill for a musician.
@bsa2025
@bsa2025 10 ай бұрын
Actually I liked more the Emerson and the orange cap. But the difference is almost 7 times more expensive the Emerson one.😮
@liquidstar9
@liquidstar9 6 ай бұрын
some may be far more pricey than others, sure, but you’re only talking about one, *maybe* two per instrument. how much do we all drop on strings or strap locks or pickups without hesitation? honestly, if someone is so opposed to ponying up for higher end components, maybe you’d be better off completely omitting the tone control and cap entirely; instruments sound great when run wide open like this.
@bsa2025
@bsa2025 6 ай бұрын
@@liquidstar9 true. I went with Vitamin Q and Russian PIO caps . RightNow not are that expensive and looks great 👍
@liquidstar9
@liquidstar9 6 ай бұрын
@@bsa2025 sweet, what do you think of them sound/feel wise?
@BB-pi2wd
@BB-pi2wd Жыл бұрын
As a guitar tech for over 20 years, I personally LOVE Emerson pots. Mainly because the second I see them in a guitar, I know I can charge the customer absolute top dollar for their guitar repair. 😂
@moimeme7839
@moimeme7839 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@adam614ce
@adam614ce 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Channel! Subscribed!
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! 😊
@andycochrane4131
@andycochrane4131 4 жыл бұрын
I heard some differences. Slight, but there.
@gino3286
@gino3286 4 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the very interesting video. I am shocked by the huge difference between the sound without cap and the sound with caps ... all the caps mute the sound ... some more some less but the sound without cap is so much better that is shocking.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Well that's why you have a tone pot, so you can adjust the amount of influence it has on your sound! :)
@gino3286
@gino3286 4 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn hi thanks a lot for the very kind and helpful advice But still the sound with caps is more veiled i prefer without if i have to choose regards gino
@curtrod
@curtrod Жыл бұрын
that's exactly what I was thinking, the so-called clean sound is a thousand times better
@gino3286
@gino3286 Жыл бұрын
​@@curtrodhi I feel the same Many amplification devices have caps on the signal path I start to wonder If they are really acceptable at least when high fidelity to source signal is the goal Impressive and instructive test indeed
@moses1202
@moses1202 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work! The difference might be clear through experiment like this. But in my opinion, it would not be that audible for bass, compared to electric guitar.
@MauricioCaran
@MauricioCaran 2 жыл бұрын
its the same for guitars. so do not expend a lot of money on shits that costs cents.
@ramencurry6672
@ramencurry6672 2 жыл бұрын
I have different types of capacitors. I just like having the variety from a collection point of view.
@raffaguitars
@raffaguitars 2 жыл бұрын
and then the question comes to mind, would anyone, besides an audiophile, who just listens to the music hear a differenc?. Like with all little sound improvements we as guitarists think they really matter, but they are probably not heard bij the listener. Especially when they listen to mp3's
@crazyanimal2041
@crazyanimal2041 2 жыл бұрын
Are you aware that the capacitors need to be warmed up? they are not immediately revealed by the sound .Well, that is, you need to play music through them for a while and then the sound will be fully revealed.For some kind of capacitor, a few hours are enough, for the second day, and the third needs two months.You know what I mean?
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 2 жыл бұрын
We're talking extremely low voltages here, in the millivolt order. So I'm not convinced that it would actually make any real difference in an instrument. Besides, what we hear is what doesn't go through the capacitor, the higher end is lost to ground
@crazyanimal2041
@crazyanimal2041 2 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn Ок .But in any case, the experience is interesting!
@autodidacticprofessor869
@autodidacticprofessor869 9 ай бұрын
If they are in spec and doing their job, they should all sound the same doing what they do. But if they are out of spec, damaged or defective, likely they don't pass enough highs to ground or too much and in that case, they will sound different. But the idea that if you could even tell an infinitesimal amount of "tone" difference from one to another playing by yourself with no other instruments, imagine how insignificant that tiny difference would be in the context of real life gigs or studio situations. Not even Eric Johnson really could tell. So should you really buy that $100 bumblebee or just stick with a
@4audio
@4audio 4 жыл бұрын
Why you using small capacitors in this configuration they blocked all hight frequencies (hoght pass filter)??? This is not good test!!!
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean? That's how a tone pot works
@4audio
@4audio 4 жыл бұрын
@@OliverTobyn a,ok ,so i will listen on my hiend system (: ,but the difference in capacitors very large,as the system quality grow the difference will be increase
@NurdRage777
@NurdRage777 4 жыл бұрын
I see no Vishay. Vishay has been in to space! Highly reliable brand, but expensive.
@curtrod
@curtrod Жыл бұрын
it just seems like it's a waste of time if you're going to turn the tone all the way down, you should have put it on seven or something so you could hear some trouble and not just that muffled blanket on the amp sound, therefore they bad imao
@2000SkyView
@2000SkyView 4 ай бұрын
Value makes a difference, otherwise not really
@Chinhnguyen0497
@Chinhnguyen0497 6 ай бұрын
can tell diff unless you show it in graph
@0Imtheslime0
@0Imtheslime0 2 жыл бұрын
Guitar Capacitor is the biggest snake oil in the world of guitars. You see these old Fender phonebook caps for $50-60 each.. The ONLY reason why you should buy a expensive repro cap is because it looks cool..That is why they have fancy logos like the Emerson. But how often do you peak under to hood to admire that fancy waxsealed POI cap that looks like its made in the 50´s? A real POI paperdressed cap will start to bleed after some time. Orange Drops and Dime caps will outlast your life.. and your kids life.. Better to get tin foil sealed NOS caps if you want the cool-factor.. Atleast they look great.
@lawabidingcitizen5153
@lawabidingcitizen5153 4 жыл бұрын
The difference is meaningless tbh, the differences you're hearing are unlikely to be anything other than slight human inconsistencies...
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZbin)......................,
@jomamma1750
@jomamma1750 3 жыл бұрын
Of course you couldn't hear a difference with the Paper-in-oil Caps, you have to charge them up first. Your passive pickup makes about .8 microvolt of current. The modern Paper-in-oil Caps are rated for 600 volts. It takes several hours of hard playing to fully charge them and get them to open up. This test is therefore not accurate.
@DeusExAurum
@DeusExAurum 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you are joking.
@jomamma1750
@jomamma1750 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeusExAurum Why would you hope that? Electricity is what it is bub. Do you actually think you can fill a bucket with a teaspoon in 2 minutes?? God gave you a brain, feel free to operate as though that were the case.
@DeusExAurum
@DeusExAurum 3 жыл бұрын
@@jomamma1750 The time it takes to "charge" a capacitor is determined by its capacitance, not its voltage rating. A 47nF/600V and a 47nF/100V take the exact same amount of time to charge. Also a pickup does not create "0.8 microvolt of current" since microvolt is VOLTAGE not CURRENT. All in all, you're a great troll, you made me respond.
@jomamma1750
@jomamma1750 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeusExAurum Install one and find out. You forgot about amperage, rocket boy. Pickups just don't produce very many elecrons, and yes the capacitors do have to charge otherwise they cannot discharge, which is their function. If you understand how a capacitor works you would understand that. Think plumbing and expansion tank. You're locked into terms of either house current where the amperage(water flow) is sufficient, cut that back to a trickle and see how long it takes to fill. Same principe. Use that grey matter for once and quit mis-reading textbooks.
@DeusExAurum
@DeusExAurum 3 жыл бұрын
@@jomamma1750 I did not forget about "current" (that's the actual word you are trying to use there). No wonder that a plumber trying to lecture people on electronics is dead wrong on his terminology and fundamental electronics knowledge. Get back to fixing my toilet.
@D0zer122
@D0zer122 3 жыл бұрын
The only difference you HAVE heard is the price the salesperson gave you over the phone! Guess snake oil salespeople make good money.
@andymellor9056
@andymellor9056 3 жыл бұрын
Only the highest grade snake oil is used in PIO capacitors!
4 жыл бұрын
No meaningful difference. Thanks, I 'll stick to the cheap stuff.
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah not really worth it. I'll probably never go dirt cheap, just to have something decent enough, but would never spend the insane amounts some people do
@christophermonk4879
@christophermonk4879 4 жыл бұрын
can you hear the difference? Nope just your mic clipping and smashed to hell. Why is it that every video about audio contains shit audio?
@OliverTobyn
@OliverTobyn 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't use a mic. Just plugged to the audio interface. I'm not an audio technician, so there's probably some mistakes on my part, still, I try to keep gain levels as low as possible
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 4 жыл бұрын
So you're dismissing the actual difference in tone to the variation in actual value? That's nonsensical and anti-science. Instruments are for musicians. If I can tell the difference as a player, none of that other stuff downstream matters. Playing my P-Bass, I'm on the Tone knob all night. The tone cap is an important part of my instrument. I can tell the difference by how many usable sounds I can get.
@matlhomsi
@matlhomsi Жыл бұрын
I like the clean sound the best. Should I even add a capacitor into my circuitry then?? 🥲
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