Can You Tell The Difference Between a Cheap and Expensive Chronograph? | Watchfinder & Co.

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[@cookiemonstahmetal]

You really need to change the term cheap to something like, “more affordable” or “not that expensive”, it’s ridiculous to call an Omega “cheap”.

[@iaido01]

in his video he said affordable. he wrote cheap as a clickbait titel

[@josephburton3232]

@@iaido01 I wish I lived in a world where $6,000 was cheap or more affordable haha.

[@iaido01]

@@josephburton3232 haha it is affordable luxury. i mean i make good money, but it is still a lot of money for a watch and it always will be.

[@robertotorresbenites1278]

Maybe you need to change your job

[@WorldsWorstFishing]

"Cheap" Speedmaster haha..

[@tolga1cool]

Well. It certainly is one of the cheapest watches on the channel so...

[@wakajumba]

My sentiments exactly!

[@augustinf]

We are talking about a watch as expensive as a second hand car and that costs probably the same to service. It’s pretty offensive to call a high luxury masterpiece with tons of history a cheap watch. It’s as high as most wealthy people would go for a watch. 10k+ is for people with really, really a lot of spare money or just for idiots who buy things they can’t afford

[@alexshe9552]

+1

[@svenschukat2958]

triggered me

[@jasue2000]

The 1/4 mm thinner did it for me. I’m ordering 2 right now!!

[@Armoer]

TDY Ranger on it’s own, it seems like nothing, but combined with the 15 hours of extra power reserve it actually is quite an accomplishment

[@mariocobos2001]

Pure class! Chow!

[@JackP33]

I'm waiting for a full mm and the resulting additional 60 hour power reserve.

[@jphili]

I'm waiting for something that's multiple orders of magnitude more accurate, never has to be wound, and is virtually indestructible. Oh, wait, I already have one. It's a $10 Casio in injection-molded plastic with rubber strap.

[@RX-8GT]

@@jphili 😂

[@kennethwong6085]

Can we take a moment to admire the amount of effort Watchfinder puts into the production of his videos? All the close-up views of the watches are simply beautiful. This is the best watch channel I have ever come across. Glad this was in my recommended.

[@uptheorg]

I agree about the production values and the script they use. My one gripe is the "clickbait" nature of the video titles -- this one is a perfect example -- where is the "cheap" chronograph?

[@SuburbanPathfinder]

Who else spent the first three minutes wondering what the "cheap" chronograph was going to turn out to be?

[@semoge3249]

Guilty!

[@belc5778]

well 5k relative to 40k is cheap and this channel does focus on higher end pieces in general so... :/

[@FlorianLify]

LOL same here....although I saw it coming! 😁

[@rbtdoster]

LOL, I was thinking "they'll be bringing in a Movement watch any second now"...nope

[@thenexthobby]

Same here, and then I realized what channel I was on.

[@jupiterseir8804]

For some strange reason I thought there was going to be a cheap watch in there somewhere.

[@bcwlstd6718]

Jake Roth alright baller, calm down

[@TheEchelon]

Jake Roth You're an exellent example of how money can't buy class.

[@neilpiper9889]

What like a Sea-gull 1963

[@herbhandyman8933]

Pareto's law or more familiarly, the "80/20" rule applies everywhere. Omega is a fine example of watchmaking, the Breguet more so and PP the ultimate. Each representing an exponential increase in work and value. I would place them at 80, 95 and 100 percent respectively. That last 5 percent costs more than 10 times the first 80 and 4 times the first 95. Their value lies in one's ability to appreciate the level of refinement and workmanship. Your videos and explanations help to educate me, and I'm sure others, to develop that appreciation. Unfortunately, my bank account hasn't appreciated in kind!

[@deus_ex_machina_]

Wonderfully put.

[@pasquale78]

Well cheap is relative term. Here the Speedmaster retails at 5k minimum, I wouldn’t call that cheap.

[@omarandre683]

Pasquale im pretty sure the term cheap is used based on the relatice prices of luxury watches. Surely 5k isnt cheap but for a luxury watch? thats pretty cheap considering most would cost upwards that price

[@pasquale78]

Omar Andre I know it’s relatively cheap. No disrespect mate 👍🏻

[@ashleycrane415]

Pasquale you’re as wrong as you are right. £5000 is, in isolation, a lot of money. But if you factor in the design, execution, testing, quality control, the years of training each member of staff goes through and the technical ability required to assemble such an intricate mechanism it’s not very much at all. It’s not what a watch is or what a watch does that sets mechanical watches apart, but what it says about those who put it together.

[@Dylan-xj8tb]

And others would...that's why it's relative, especially in the realm of luxury watches. See how that works?

[@mowtime]

If you don’t consider $5000 cheap for a watch, than your not earning enough

[@jab92]

Of all the inconveniences in life, having to hand wind a Speedmaster every other day is at the top of the list of "best things that one could be inconvenienced by..."

[@mahamza86]

Watching your videos is a sort of therapy for me. Like the Patek, these videos are polished and well finished.

[@ailatejrithvik1564]

Hamza Khawaja .hgbk

[@jeanraspail2979]

Exactly, watching these watch videos is so calming. Only watching Bob Ross paint is more relaxing.

[@HucaPuca]

"Cheap" makes most people think up to $500, not $5000. I know watchmaking is by definition expensive, but calling an Omega cheap makes me rethink going into watches....

[@mrbacchus6127]

I completely agree

[@MrGeoffrey1998]

For a mechanical movement it's not that expensive. It would be like saying " cheap car that has a V12". It's cheap considering the internals it has, i don't say i'll buy one, even if i make a good use of my money, but i just say it's the value of big brands and high quality watches.

[@dannydyerschocolatehomuncu7640]

You can get a v good condition seamaster moon watch for £2500. That’s not bad really for what it is

[@skylersponberg2260]

Don’t be a pussy

[@pymandragore]

@@The_Greg_5000 the seagull 1963 with venus 175 movement is worth between 200 and 300 depending on the version. I have the 42mm with opened caseback, the movement is really gorgeous for the price.

[@pwsod]

Cheap? The cost of the Omega would be more than many could aspire to for one watch. Maybe for a collection? Yes! The rest are for those who do not live in this world.

[@KaneChamp]

For some reason the movement parts of the Speedmaster do look cleaner and less damaged than those of the Breguet movement.

[@belluco]

I really really thought the Speedmaster was the expensive one!

[@archer1x257]

I own exactly the Speedy Moonwatch with Caliber 1863. Everytime I look at the watch from both sides, it reminds me how wonderful this piece of art really is. Even If you consider the history and legend behind the Speedy, it definitely has much value for the amount of money.

[@Svartsomkato]

I totally agree, and the value is insane for such a cheap watch.

[@zhbroder]

no other horological channels even comes close to production quality.

[@CYC_JP]

zac talks a lot Of course... because watchfinder channel is funded by Richemont group.

[@DuxEtRex]

Or snobbery

[@MrAnonymousRandom]

That's because these watch finder and co sells high end used watches and they. Know their product.

[@7774710235]

The speedy is cheap and here I am with my skx tho Lol

[@FlorianLify]

I own a Speedy and also an SKX; it's an awesome watch mate! (Furthermore one can't swim with a Speedy! ☺)

[@ajpappas7652]

My SKX steals wrist time from my Seamaster.

[@StreetArtistsOfTheWorld]

10:28 Still waiting for that cheap watch to show up, any second now!

[@amankumar2947]

*I loved that you showed instantaneous minute change in chronograph for the Patek which wasn't there for Omega & Breguet*😊👏

[@koengoedhart9849]

A hand wound chronograph equals high end watch making, well done seagull

[@qlan-9386]

Seagulls are a pretty good deal though, all things considered

[@MpSSpeaker]

Seagull bought old Swiss machinery and produces a Venus 175 calibre, originally used in some Breitlings and others before.

[@domokun938]

I have a seagull chronograph and a speedmaster. Love them both!

[@justinbowe38]

@@domokun938 I just bought the panda dial seagull 1963. Cant wait for it to arrive!

[@meltdowngrfx969]

Timothy Ng me too!

[@AP-pg5dx]

I am guessing the only reason why they didn’t feature Lange in this video is because it never used a Lemania manual chrono?🤔 In my view, when it comes to finishing nobody does it better than Lange!

[@sebs6736]

No one.

[@dingmingzou9866]

true. when it comes to finishing Lange is unchallengeable...

[@base924]

Yes, Lange has only used their own inhouse chronograph. Patek, VC was then "forced" to produce their own to catch up, but the germans has since made the double--and triplesplit chronograph leaving everybody else in the dust.

[@burritomaker69]

A P then you don’t know much about finishing or watches then....

[@AP-pg5dx]

Max Power did you even read what I wrote you moron? If you don’t agree, then tell us who does movement finishing better than Lange.

[@MrJezza31]

That Breguet is absolutely stunning.

[@tryura]

This sapphire back view is just stunning. It wouldn't be that impressive with a rotor in a view.

[@sbeckett91]

I feel like such a peasant watching this while wearing a Speedmaster.

[@fahimmosharrof7209]

4:01 "It's not the front we are interested in, it's the back" this is the quote for 2019.Cheers

[@panayiotiskyriacou5118]

There is another one there. Price wise between the speedy and the Breguet and probably the best one for the money. the Zenith El Primero

[@dimitriskekos]

Σωστός

[@achiltsompanos447]

Is it manual?

[@jonathanross6620]

It isnt manual is it?

[@markymark3572]

But that's an automatic flyback chronograph, albeit an excellent watch, this video is about manual wind chronographs

[@praetor47]

@Panayiotis: if you didn't notice, the whole point of the video was comparing the "same" movement done at different price points. the El Primero doesn't fit (plus it's traditionally automatic). @others: there are manual versions of the El Primero (though they're nowhere near as pretty as even the 1863 here, imo. the auto is one of the prettier auto chrono movements around, but the manual is just okay)

[@mkoldewijn]

The videography on these videos is simply amazing! I have loved this channel since I saw the first video!

[@thatsbod1041]

A return to form vid wise. There will be loads of comments saying the Speedy isn't cheap. It isn't as a mechanical watch but it is for what you get especially when considering movement sharing & finishing. It's an explanation as to price differentiation (market positioning aside) & as ever beautifully illustrated 👍🏻

[@jztouch]

It’s good to know that in our throwaway culture there are still craftsman that take such obsessive pride in their work. Where else do we get to see this level of craftsmanship in the world today? I may not be able to afford one but through these wonderful Watchfinder & Co videos I can certainly appreciate them.

[@Aggnog]

The 5170 is by far my favorite patek. It looks so understated, yet refined and it has the most beautiful hands on any watch in my opinion.

[@hairynutsack9704]

KZbin Notification: WatchFinder & Co. uploaded a new video. Me: Start my watch's Chronograph until i watch it.

[@LesterLovesWatches]

“Before you reach for your pitchforks” 😂. I love this phrase.

[@tods.9947]

With the Swiss it’s all relative. I recently had a much cheaper manual wind Chrono. A Sturmanskie. There is also the Venus chronos.

[@lucderan]

This channel, the videos, the scripts and the general style could make fall in love of horology everybody! I learn something in every single video! Thank you so much!

[@ekimandersom4478]

So where is the cheap option?

[@FV4030]

Can YOU tell the difference between the words “cheap” and “more affordable”?

[@freedomchannel3656]

Any word on when Omega is to complete it's 321 movement remake and Market it?

[@user-dr7tb4xf4o]

stephen kennedy Maybe for the 50th anniversary of the moon landing? Should be pretty soon if so.

[@koenreith]

I am so done with everyone saying the omega isn't cheap. Of course there is no timex quartz chrono featured. Who would want to watch close ups of that?

[@redcomet6327]

Koen Reith why not?

[@koenreith]

Well I don't know about you but I'm here to see the beauty of extremely well designed, built and finished watches as well as learning about their heritage. A timex is about cutting as many corners as possible it just won't stand up to the scrutany of a macro lens.

[@DuxEtRex]

@@koenreith shut the fuck up

[@cookingprof]

The Omega & Patek do have the same basic design. The Omega has 19 Jewels v/ the Patek 33 Jewels. The hand finishing of every part in a Patek has edgebreaks that are from: 0.0005 to 0.001 inches. FULL DISCLOSURE: I own 2 Patek dress watches. I would still consider adding this Omega to my collection.

[@robertsullivan4773]

Exercise in insanity, love it. Great video as usual once again I learned more than I knew before I watched it.

[@runs_wth_scizors3789]

Your presentation is as polished as the Patek Philippe. Thank you for all of the effort you go to in preparation. It is appreciate greatly.

[@Kevcpb24]

07:14 of the video it looks like the E in "PATEK" is missing part of the ink at the very top of the E

[@sandman6617]

Yes, very nice watches, different price points. I’m fortunate to own the Speedmaster. With the naked eye, I still find myself looking at the face and appreciating how meticulously done the design is. While watching videos showing the same at macro view I appreciate it even more. The moon watch is the most well done dial for a chronograph no matter how deep your pockets are. Historical too.

[@urbanoteal6334]

Same here. Sometimes when I check the time I find myself admiring my timepiece.

[@richardsherwin3259]

Excellent video as usual 👌 I now want a manual wind speedmaster 😋

[@CrimFerret]

I had sort of hoped we'd see one from A. Lange & Sohne considering they pretty much forced Patek Phillipe to go to the drawing board when the Datograph came out and I'm not sure they've managed to match much less exceed the finish level ALS puts on their movements.

[@mb-watches]

Having my Saphire speedy since 2012 and enjoying the hell out of it. Not have a feeling missing anything, it’s just the perfect Chrono 😊 Great video as usual and loving your macros. Keep up the good work 👍🏻🙏🏻

[@thepantcoat7564]

Does it have a column wheel tho

[@BedouinSpirit]

Again you nailed it! A great watches demonstration with an amazing voice narration... We need more videos 🥰

[@nilsgunnebro3675]

I would like to have a review of the Junghans Meister Chronoscope

[@oscarslife5497]

Think they featured that one already

[@theodorelenoir]

Hey Nils, you can have a look at their video called "3 Watch Collection For Less Than A Rolex Submariner", it's featured there.

[@tehgamist7139]

8:30 blemish on the second I at the top!? ... £40k? I want perfection.

[@jphili]

Better off getting a $10 quartz cheapo. Far and away more accurate.

[@cbcdesign001]

@@jphili Its not about pure accuracy necessarily, a modern smart phone tells the time more precisely than many high end watches, its about craftsmanship.

[@DS42296]

Around 5:33 why did the wheels stop turning? D:

[@hugogonzalez8095]

My God I’ve had the Daytona in both stainless and now have one in ceramic but I must admit that the Speedmaster is unmistakably beautiful and I love every bit of it. It will be my next acquisition I promise you that and others like the El Primero, although appealing, doesn’t come close.

[@rgassaf1]

Hugo Gonzalez The ElPrinero is a killer! It was actually, not long ago, equipping the Daytonas

[@hugogonzalez8095]

RGA1 I know my non ceramic Daytona was a before 2000 model that had a Zenith “Rolex tweaked” movement..I’ve never been particularly fond of a date window on a chronograph, that Rolex removed from the Zenith movement, I believe they should not have one it makes the watch much too messy.

[@stevenrobertson7643]

Yet the Patek Philippe still has the Speedmaster's problem of the minute recorder jumping too soon, so a time of 59.8 seconds reads 1 minute 59.8 seconds and so on. Watch from 9:21.

[@tynchytemper9618]

Need to review the St19 if we're talking cheap manual chronograph movements?

[@BarnOwl61]

The ultimate difference occurs when you bring your watch in for a service!

[@77cjam]

To all the people moaning in the comments that you don't consider a £3000 watch to be cheap or affordable I may personally agree, but the term like many others is relative. I also suggest if you can't just appreciate the craftsmanship and information given for what it is as presented by this channel without getting offended by a £3000 being labelled affordable, you aren't going to enjoy any of this channel videos. So save your time, there are plenty other channels out there for you. If you can appreciate the beautifully crafted watches and informative dialogue, despite perhaps not agreeing with what is and what isn't affordable, then enjoy

[@Mondi1911]

I dont think people have a problem with calling a £3000 watch affordable. Calling it cheap on the other hand is a totally different matter.

[@coloneltheo]

i love how they said that Patek went to painstaking lengths to ensure a snap occurs instead of a drawn out movement, yet if you watch the minute hand tick over it actually changes 0.2 of a second early. not sure that 0.5-0.9 of a second improvement justifies the 20x multiple...

[@seunbejide4475]

That Breguet looks amazing.

[@badboy4lyfe88]

Should a watch like this be stored on a watch winder box, or is it ok for it to stop and restart when you use it again?

[@edgeyt1]

For those looking to spend less than the cost of a Speedy take a look at the Longines big eye.

[@Dan-lr9uc]

You should have chosen the JLC Master Chronograph for the middle priced watch.

[@dropfactoryrecords1114]

Dan Manoliu no

[@Tom-yp8hj]

Your tutorials are perfect, full of strong insights overlaid with specifications that boggle the mind. I enjoy all of them Thank you

[@rayleeaustralia]

If you leave the second hand ticking on a chronograph, will it unwound itself faster than if the second hand is not moving?

[@kacperuminski1547]

A speedmaster is neither affordable nor at an entry level. A Seagull 1963 is both.

[@treedillinger5801]

It’s entry level for luxury watches. There are other channels for cheap Chinese watches. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kacperuminski1547]

@@treedillinger5801 I would actually classify the Seagull as a luxury watch because it costs way more than the average (not an enthusiast) person would be willing to spend on a watch. At least if we define "luxury watch" like that.

[@victorcastropalavicino4434]

@@treedillinger5801 entry level cheap

[@b.peppercorn739]

It entirely depends on how much money you have, if you don't have any money than you call it unaffordable .

[@treedillinger5801]

Victor Castro Palavicino I didn’t say it was cheap. The words cheap and luxury are inherently incompatible. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I know it’s used in the title of the video, which is misleading, but it’s used in the context of a luxury watch channel.

[@MobiusCoin]

And here I am fiddling around with my Seagull 1963 thinking I paid a pretty penny for that 🤣

[@pipetrucciable]

Those macro shots are stunning.

[@suncity22001]

Forgivable, but first error in watchfinder review history calling a Speedmaster ‘cheap’, by calling the Omega cheap, the Breguet becomes average and the Royal Oak ‘good’, the ‘Daytona’ good. Should one have to spend 40k to get an excellent watch ? I think watchfinder could have thought through the use of his words for the title of this video.

[@deus_ex_machina_]

The Omega is the least expensive manual Swiss chronograph.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

I can tell that at 0:13 thats an Omega (more accurately NOT a Patek) and at 0:15 thats a Patek (or ALS, VC, etc)

[@majorintherepublick5862]

Fabulous video as usual!! Just wished you’d included the Breitling in your lineup, they are an amazing example of watchmaking in the chrono world, just my opinion

[@gubpkt9016]

What is the cheapest open-back or open-front swiss watch? Any opinion?

[@greenhat7618]

Can anyone please tell me what is that thing on the right hand side of the screen between “Patek” and “Philippe” at 7:51?

[@antoniochang4553]

Well researched and perfectly presented. I would have liked to see the Parmigiani Kalpagraph featured as this brand uses internal calibres made by Vaucher, a manufacture they partially own

[@frnciscob1]

So a dressed up cal 321 is worth over $40k? I think even if I had the money knowing this I would still keep the speedmaster, I would do a lateral upgrade to a snoopy or a moonphase.

[@ThePmfan]

I love my Seiko 6139-7002 (original owner from when I was a teenager) and 6032. Not manually wound, but very sporty.

[@zulfikranzulmos4066]

His voice is very soothing

[@felipeleguer87]

"Cheap"

[@treedillinger5801]

-er

[@zzygyy]

Inexpensive

[@ctawab]

Zzygyy $7000 is inexpensive

[@kmcmichael]

For someone who watched the moon landing as a 10 year old boy on a black and white TV in East Texas, the Speedmaster has no peer, no matter the price.

[@nick8603]

Maybe not the best title, but the shot with the moving focus on the Patek movement is outstanding!

[@GarySlegg]

So why is it on watches the Roman 4 is always IIII rather than IV?

[@TheDeviltech]

Could you compare the nomos lambda with the "entry level" a lange like you did with montblan and patek

[@jensc.h.548]

is this a re-upload? I'm pretty sure I have watched a video with the same title here

[@Aramis7]

Your vids are of a quality that is an order of magnitude above the rest. Please keep them coming.

[@tibitotetti7480]

Hi,can u review a Oris calibre 111 or 113 any of these 2. Thanks

[@WatchGeek]

Great video, but I can't justify the line "it takes a lot of money to develop an in house version". I mean come on, Rolex, Patek, AP are NOT poor or fighting to stay in business and yet the have been using non in-house movements for decades and until recently! I was once called out for "nitpicking" when I commented on AP RO Offshore not having an in-house movement... I'm sorry but at THAT price point, I have every right to nitpick as much as I like!

[@zieglerziga]

Dear watchfinder, What is the background song name? It is so fitting to the theme of your videos.

[@hailstorm711]

Amazing video as always. Could you please share the background music title.

[@stevek8829]

Labeling the jewel count in the movement is gauche. Knob polishing notwithstanding. The Omega is pure quality, not bling.

[@AlexEarMusic]

I mean the Speedmaster is a watch you take for the nostalgia factor that goes along with it. No other watch really feels brand new but keeps its soul alive. The fact that all of the watches are literally based on the same movement really does not make the Speedmaster look bad, but it is the father that the sons and daughters learned their lessons from.

[@menaseven9093]

I like the Omega Speedmaster with the display case back

[@zarilzulkarnain9529]

I got a question is it all auto and mechanical need a wound. Sorry I only wear quartz but I want to have one

[@Voltron3000R]

Can you please compare Omega Deville Tresor hand wound and the similar VC three handed Patrimony Self winding.

[@Samir_1]

Fantastic content & Great work indeed!

[@pedrobrazon6610]

Makes me want to get an omega speedmaster more than the breguet or the PP

[@Paddington2000]

Thinking about it, there wouldn't have been much point in having an automatic moon watch even if it had been completed on time, a floating rotor would have struggled a bit.

[@b.peppercorn739]

Brilliant presentation as always......

[@Pulsonar]

The production of this video is exquisite, beautifully presented as always. The macro shots are amazing, what lens - Hasselblad, Leica, ...? The house of optics are as big a star as the house of horology here.

[@siddharthanarayan2739]

How much would a Carl F Bucherer Manero central chrono (not the flyback) cost today? This watch is no longer in production and was discontinued in 2019 A new watch was for US $4800 back in 2019 So,what would be its cost today in the second hand market ?

[@davidshkhyan3021]

Please give me some info about the 1960-70is Swiss Sabina 17 jewels reminderdate alarm thanks in advance

[@JaredSteadman]

I’m saving for a Zenith El Primero Annual Calendar Captain Windsor, with the fume dial. I think the applied Arabic numerals, and integrated chronograph would look stunning on one of your close up videos. I’d also love the see the Datograph, and your Saxonia from ALS (when it arrives). A one watch man... I envy your restraint. But what a watch!!!

[@dvobry6800]

The pictures are amazing, thanks for this awesome video !!