Canadian Freighter Tim S. Dool Hard Aground in the St. Lawrence Seaway

[@wgowshipping]

🚨Attempt to move Tim S Dool failed on Friday, November 29, with three Ocean Group tugs participating.🚨

[@johnchadwicktilton]

odd question / With so many locks, can the water level be raised ? Wouldn't that be the easiest way to get it out ???

[@johnchadwicktilton]

I am not from the area so just a thought. Wouldn't it be easier to raise the water level using a combination of locks as opposed to offloading the ship. I know armchair thought as I am not familiar as to how the locks etc. work. Your thoughts ?

[@jesusc4384]

@@johnchadwicktilton I'm not sure about between those specific locks, but lower down the st-lawrence there are many low lying properties along the shore that would most likely be damaged by such an action.

[@johnchadwicktilton]

@@jesusc4384 My bad. It was a thought. I guess I should say if it could safely be done. Plus I didn't think it had to go up much. Maybe a combination of the two ?

[@johnchadwicktilton]

Like most, we all know dragging a heavily loaded ship will further damage the ship which might have to stay at its current location even when unloaded for a time to be inspected for hull breeches and any other structural damage, meaning it might be there for awhile. Especially if it is determined that there is issues with the rudder system., and quite possibly not seaworthy until repairs can be made. I figured that raising the river level might easily show if it is seaworthy or not. As if the ship starts floating that would be good. If it doesn't float, and instead flooding is found, then she needs some work. and may need to stay where it is at to keep from actually sinking.

[@Luffchild]

That racon Buoy is actually a caisson on Crysler Shoal. The downstream current is 1-2 knots as over 7,000 m3/sec is swirling around the many shoals in this section of the river. Tim S Dool is aground very close to the location of the wreck of the Eastcliffe Hall that hit the shoal and sank in 1970 partially blocking the channel. The captain was drunk and there were several fatalities. The salvagers had to cut off and remove everything less than 28ft below the surface. Foreign ships require a pilot. As a Laker, I expect the captain was also the pilot. Unloading is going to be difficult as they will have to be on the south side - she is tight to the channel on the north side.

[@MichaelLeBlanc-p4f]

Good stuff and mst interesting to a land-lubber who has lubbered the coast road for many years in ignorance.

[@hossenfeffer8383]

Have dived on the Eastcliffe Hall. Still a lot of machinery down there, still full of oil. Gotta be careful not to move stuff and stir it all up.

[@Caperhere]

How can the Captain command two vessels at once? Don’t understand.

[@wbnc66]

@@Caperhere in this case the answer is....... poorly

[@wbnc66]

Is there enough room in the channel to unload without booking traffic?

[@kaigunfan]

A new season of "What is aground with shipping" has started. Excellent.

[@SpaceCop]

Hamilton! Lake Erie! Never before has Sal uttered words closer to my heart! And location. Big props to all the lakers out there! Thank you Sal, congrats on the podcast. Sal Mergalebergaly: Man of all media.

[@colin-nekritz]

As a person who grew up on a Lake Ontario port, it makes me wonder how many of the viewers know the difference between a Laker and a Salty.

[@itcantbetruebutis7778]

​@colin-nekritz is IT not self explanatory??

[@paulbriggs3072]

The guy said at 4:27 mark that the ship went UP onto Lake Ontario from Erie, OOPS!

[@smgdfcmfah]

@@paulbriggs3072 If you're looking at a map then yeah, it's UP (north) into Lake Ontario through the Welland Canal. But yes, it's definitely DOWN in elevation!

[@alexandermonro6768]

Sal, I'm a Brit. However, I think that for you, as an American, in America, to use the American pronunciation of "buoy", when referring to a navigation mark in American waters, is entirely correct. Like all your posts, the fact that you even mentioned differences in pronunciation shows attention to detail that is sadly lacking in most mainstream media. Thanks for your excellent reporting of all things maritime!

[@blaydCA]

@@alexandermonro6768 As a former hardy New Englander, I've heard it pronounced it both ways.

[@klonkimo]

@@alexandermonro6768 Carefully, with flair. That's how he does it. I have combed through hours of his footage and he never misrepresented Marines, Soldiers, or Sailors. I always look for that when I tune my cathode ray tube to a new signal, because creators these days don't know the difference. Further, when they mispronounced names; I heard a voice today that called Tripoli (we have a LHD named that) as TREE-poe-lie and I couldn't help but start laughing, because it was so bad as an American. You know they didn't know their history, they didn't know how to pronounce it, and were reading it of a teleprompter. Sal is good, Sal is wise. Sal tackles the topics that we all should know about covering the majority of our planet, the ocean, but the public are all too unaware about.

[@gregknipe8772]

its a lot of work to placate viewers. big boys simply adapt. snobs need it all on the correct silver spoon from their place setting. I've heard the word both ways on the big lakes, and the Mississippi.

[@aml1234561]

I agree as an American in America Sal is entitled to pronounce it in the American way but, as a British Captain “buoy” instead of “boy” drives me crazy to the point I simply have to turn the sound off. But then Americans cannot spell correctly and call taps “faucets” for some peculiar reason. But buoy does this pronunciation hurt my ears.

[@blaydCA]

@aml1234561 It's been a loooong time since "The Sun Never Sets on the Empire". Time to adjust, maybe?

[@EddyLeger-r1j]

Hi, I live in Cornwall, raised in a Houseboat at Pilon's Point between Cornwall & Lancaster, grew up in life of Creeks, parked in tall Grass for days. family of Perch & Barbot fisherman, when it rained, everyone would tie up to us, play cards, then back to it after rain. A dream life it was, no riches can beat waking up to foggy water, Ship watch was huge for us.

[@loismiller2830]

A busy day for plane crashes and ship groundings. Thanks to Sal and Juan, we have the best intel on all of it. Social media has really changed the world.

[@bc-guy852]

What is TV?

[@reagandogg9734]

D E I at its finest

[@TheScottbb1]

Social media is Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. Sal is nothing Iike that.

[@loismiller2830]

@@TheScottbb1 Type "is KZbin social media" in your Search bar, see what answer you get. Like so much else in life, social media is both good and bad. But it has definitely changed the way we get information.

[@chucksherron]

​@@TheScottbb1 KZbin is social media.

[@blacksmith67]

I grew up along this section of the St Lawrence. I moved up to Ottawa as a teen, but I've always had an affinity for this place, and I've done around a hundred recreational dives on sites from Lake Ontario to Cornwall. I've studied the history of the St Lawrence from early European settlement to the creation of the Seaway. Thank you for all the excellent information, I've been a subscriber for some time now.

[@airdad5383]

They might be able to raise the water level in that section of the river if they close the gates at the power dam in Cornwall. Last time when I drove by that area water as pretty low. Seaway authority regularly manipulates water levels in this area. One example is when Montreal marinas need more water to move boats they can send water from Cornwall and it will raise the river in Montreal the next day.

[@kevinhoffman8214]

thats interesting

[@tommegan6500]

That’s true, but the problem is that when you back up the water above the dam, you lower the level below the dam. We are at seasonal minimum levels now, there’s not much margin to play with if traffic is to continue. Great to see Sal reporting on our waters! I’m on the NY side at buoy 177, so this is my backyard 😊

[@otm646]

Listening to the guys on the local local groups, sounds like whoever controls the dams are pretty unwilling to make level changes. I don't know if that's a recent policy change or what

[@infidelmat]

​@otm646 i believe Hydro Quebec has jurisdiction as they keep the turbines spinning.

[@OntarioSecret]

They did bring it up for a day in that lock section 2 feet and it had no effect

[@KibbleDog007]

God bless the mariners. I my wife and I sailed our CS-27 from Bluffer’s Park Marina to Newfoundland 1n 1992 with our two young. The eldest is School Principal, and our youngest is a Special Eduction teacher. Both have spoke of their adventures in the classroom to students. Safety was mandatory with life jackets and flashing beacons. We has a man overboard device with flashing lights. We would simulate an emergency, noting the heading, and Latitude and longitude, while executing wiliamson maneuver. 😊

[@bc-guy852]

Wow Sal, from the Bab-el-Mandeb, through the Jones Act and on through the fine detail of the St. Lawrence Seaway and lock networks. Your experience and breadth of knowledge is very impressive! Thank you. Congratulations on the new podcast!

[@grossgo]

Sal, no ship goes UP to Lake Ontario from Lake Erie. If you don't believe me, just go stand beside Niagara Falls for a few minutes. Great video by the way!

[@MADHIKER777]

Sal, your detailed expanation of how shipping works is so valuable to our understanding of these situations! Thanks for such an informative and entertaining channel.

[@johnwesner3935]

Back in 1994 (ish) We were staying in Sturgeon Bay Wisconsin and discovered the Maritime Museum had coordinated a shipyard tour fundraiser for the new museum. This tour included Peterson Shipbuilders, Palmer Johnson and Bay Shipbuilders. At the bay drydock was a 1000' ore carrier that had run aground in Duluth Minnesota. The damaged sections of the bow had been cut out and were accessable for us to view. The grounding was described as a light grounding. The heavy plate and structure were crushed like tinfoil. Mater in motion tends to stay in motion. A 1000' ore carrier is a lot of mater!😢

[@richardlawton1023]

I did a trip from Florida to the top of the St Lawrence. Through all the locks and all of the lakes. We spent the summer in the lakes then back to Florida. I was a chef on a large yacht. Those large ships are massive and not to be messed with. I feel bad for the captain and crew

[@GWNorth-db8vn]

I hope you made it to the best part, the North Channel at the top of Georgian Bay.

[@chuckg6039]

Anchor at The Pool in Bay Finn​@@GWNorth-db8vn

[@otm646]

It's funny to hear an outsider's perspective. Growing up on the Great Lakes and sailing around those freighters my whole life you got to respect them but they are no big deal. You get your five blasts occasionally, rather inconsiderate of them to cross through our active race course😅

[@GWNorth-db8vn]

@@otm646 - I grew up on the Trent-Severn with a dock in the front yard, but I spent a lot of time in my twenties with drunk friends on southern Georgian Bay. I've been stuck in a boat doing some incredibly dumb things around the big boats, like going between two of them tied up side by side. I eventually left a boat there and refused to go out in anyone else's.

[@rinrat6754]

We camped next to Iroquois Lock a few years ago. Fascinating to see the ship watchers coming from the RV campground to the lock viewing area for every ship. We got to watch multiple ships, then a big salvage barge overnighted and was stuck for a few hours in morning fog. Ship watching in lawn chairs or from an RV - pretty civilized.

[@vincemcwut9495]

I live in the mountains and I know nothing about boat stuff, but you made me watch the whole video. Really interesting, great communicator.

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

Fascinating. I would never have known about this event if I did not subscribe to this channel. I live in Toronto and would never have heard of this in my area. I have dived a wreck in the St. Lawrence and realize there is a fair current at play.

[@johnnykrauze]

Because the Captain is a female. Charlene Munden

[@sdr_xp]

Interesting youtube channel. I live in Thorold, Ontario, which is the home of the flight locks of the Welland Canal. I am like a 5 minute drive to the flight locks, and even though I grew up here, and have seen the canal thousands of times, I still love going down to the canal and watching the boats sail by on a nice summer day. There is also a great paved path/trail that I ride my mountain bike up and down from time to time.

[@cleanwillie1307]

As a native of Soo Michigan and someone who did some sailing on US Steel lakers in the 1970s it is always interesting to run across the occasional story on happenings on the lakes and in the seaway.

[@jamesburns8247]

Thank you Sal for the information. It shudders me to even think of the conseqences of my old ship if it went aground.

[@davidmilne5122]

Great report Sal, full of in-depth information as always. This could be an interesting challenge given how aground it appears to be. Looking forward to the next update.

[@MartinCanada]

Hi, Sal, thanks for your Seaway report about news that's close to home. Happy turkey day later this week. Cheers.

[@Tipp_Of_The_Mitt]

Per Boatnerd website they tried raising the water by two feet with no luck. Also, during the 91/92 winter layup it had double bottom steel work done.

[@JHe-f9t]

Seems like they'd need to go at least 5. I wonder if that's even possible.

[@danlowe8684]

I'm on the other side of Lake Superior, but we had some (typical) strong gale force winds out of the north a few days ago. It stopped a 1000' freighter with 68,000 tons of coal (or iron ore) from departing the Duluth harbor. He backed it into the fuel docks and waited out the wind for a few hours.

[@BikerMerv]

Hello from Halifax NS. First time viewing your channel today. I find it very informative and well documented. I worked in the shipbuilding industry for 40 years in Canada and the USA. I worked for 10 years in the Electrical Engineering Dept at the Collship shipyards in Collingwood Ontario starting my career there in 1971. During the late 60's and all through the 70's Algoma and CSL had most of their "Great Lakers" built at this shipyard. Collship closed down in 1983. Algoma & CSL are Canadian Companies that now have their ships built overseas. I didn't recognize the name Tin S Dool as one built on the Great Lakes, I found that she was built in another Canadian shipyard in Saint John New Brunswick. Thanks for your postings.

[@TYRONE_SHOELACES]

Hey Merv...I'm in Halifax also, came here as a pipe welder in 1989 from Sydney, Cape Breton, ended up staying here my whole carrer. I've worked as a general welder for years all around Halifax, and for the last 15 or so years, a pipe welder, and now I'm still at the Halifax Shipyards. A company I worked for, FABCO refitted 3 CSL ships to carry magnetite out to the Hibernia Platform to weigh her down as she was being built, so I sailed on Nanticoke, The Huron, and another one up the Saint Lawrence river while we welded on them. I have never seen such nice homes as the ones that line the Saint Lawrence River on the American side of course.

[@jeffcollins1097]

Collingwood is a really nice place, I live not far from there.

[@Miata822]

This took me back to summers of my youth, sitting on the back porch of our friend's cabin on the seaway near Massena watching the freighters with binoculars and trying to identify them by their stacks using a big chart up on the wall. That was many decades ago, but a fond memory. Thanks for stirring it back up.

[@michaeldowson6988]

I grew up on the other side, in Morrisburg.

[@jasonreed7522]

If you're still in the area the visitor's center at the Eisenhower locks was recently renovated and is worth a visit. Their website even includes the day's scheduled transits so you can time it to see a ship go through. (Always a fun experience, especially as a child)

[@kristinefrink5726]

Dear Sir, very intrigued w/ your info, VERY Educational!! Thank you and best to the Tim S. Dool!

[@beanpot]

Thanks for reporting on this Sal, St. Lawerence Seaway is in my backyard :)

[@johncheresna]

I went to school in Ingleside.

[@captbad9313]

46 years at sea, I saw everything. The one thing that terrified me the most, was agony of collision. I never had it happen once, damn close a couple times. I'll be writing a book soon, look for it.

[@I_Am_Your_Problem]

Unless it is a picture book don't expect it to sell in the USA.

[@captbad9313]

@@I_Am_Your_Problem lol,, your probably right!!

[@Texas240]

"missed a turn..." As a truck driver, with over 2 million miles driven, I tried explaining to the safety department that A) GPS, maps, truck stop guide books, notepad, calculator, etc) have all lived in the cell phone for over 15 years B) tapping the phone screen to activate or center such a basic work related function as directions notes or map and glancing at such at an appropriate time (no other vehicles in front of or next to) is MUCH safer than missing a fkn turn if the GPS is lagging, the street isn't properly marked, or isn't marked with all its multiple names or HWY numbers, etc and then having a now stressed out and lost driver trying to find his way back to where he's going amid streets that the vehicle possibly won't fit under or around. Missing a turn and having to get back on course is the ULTIMATE driving distraction in a commercial motor vehicle. Nope, the "safety department" which has a combined total of probably zero safe driving miles in a commercial motor vehicle and who's personnel do the EXACT same thing adjusting their radio or AC via a dash touch screen write me up for putting safety, through experience, first. I'm such a terror that even the Human Resources Department (aka "firing dept") wanted to get involved when I tried explaining the reality of the job situation. And, that's as a dedicated 16 year employee of the company with over 1 million consecutive safe miles driven. Imagine the horror if people who actually understand practical safety and practice it daily were listened to by the people sitting in big offices and comfy chairs...

[@TheSwissChalet]

I can imagine it. What would happen is people would quickly realize we don’t really need the people in the big offices as much as they think we do. People entirely dependent on technology are going to cause more problems than they fix. They already have.

[@Texas240]

@TheSwissChalet on other chats, related to wages, economy, or wealth gap, I've suggested that minimum wage at companies over X number of employees across all subsidiaries ought to be tied to a % of the highest total compensation of any employee. Doing that would instantly raise worker pay and force shareholders and boards of directors to decide if the company CSuite execs are REALLY worth the exorbitant salary and bonuses. It would also instantly end the argument that if such exorbitant salary isn't paid, they can't get talented people to lead the company. Most companies have more sensible and pragmatic people with their finger more on the pulse than the people in the insulated offices managing solely off a spreadsheet. But... There's currently no incentive for boards or shareholders to make changes.

[@oinka720]

The topic of distracted driving interests me. Did your employers safety department forbid the use of cellphones while driving? About me: I'm a regular nobody, not involved in shipping or trucking or safety or government or any of that. Just interested.

[@Texas240]

@oinka720 yes, militantly. Previously, there was such a thing as using experience to not do stupid things. Now, even with the phone (aka GPS, map, notepad, etc) semi permanently attached to the dash, the driver facing camera (which even Canada had the good sense to ban) has ai that will see a driver touch the phone, take hands off wheel, look away from the road, I've heard Amazon's even counts blink rate and yawns. Even the law allows answering or making a phone call with 1 button press. That will get a driver written up and on the path to termination. I was advised to simply never touch the phone at all when in the driver's seat. When I submitted an ISO 9001 procedure for improvement suggestion and recommend management state exactly when we are able to do things like look at the map, set GPS, other trip planning (which is usually done in the driver's seat), they gave no response. Of course. They want to take the stance that drivers should know how to do those things, but then don't like how drivers do those things as a normal, safe part of the job. In trucking, the absolutely most dangerous thing a driver can do is make a right lane change (because it's very easy for cars to hide on that side). Ironically my "safety" focused company hasn't thought it cost effective to install a camera with visibility down that entire blind spot. It's a matter of small people with bigger power using that power to bully and harras people...because they can and it gives them a sense of control over their lives (typical reason why people abuse power). Bit of a rant thrown in with explanation, but it's frustrating to see a complany that I've been part of for 16 years turned into something that will be trash as they will eventually be left with only the worst drivers to choose from, people who will put up with their ridiculous, draconian, and poorly thought out policies.

[@oinka720]

@@Texas240 Thanks for the info. I can relate. It seems to me that when a few bad apples use a tool unsafely, management tends to overreact and jump to the conclusion that nobody can be trusted to possess common sense and everybody needs to be surveilled and controlled and retrained and micromanaged.

[@bobbondi7191]

I can only imagine what scraping gravel and rock for 700 feet sounded like to those onboard.

[@michaeldowson6988]

That part of the river was damned and flooded to provide hydro-electricity for New York State and Ontario. But there were rapids in that section also, so they did some stategic blasting and the flooding did the rest. There's an old lock & canal system hugging the Canadian shore, but it couldn't handle post-WWII shipping. You can google for pictures of boats running those rapids

[@johngayder9249]

What a treat to get St. Laurence content! Thank you!

[@BrianSzetela]

This excellent video reminds me of visiting the St. Lawrence Seaway I believe in the summer of 1959, not long after it opened, watching a Russian cargo ship in one of the locks (Snell?) going around the Moses Saunders power dam. One of the ship's crew threw a small bag of Russian coins to a spectator near me. I understand the need to get the grain out of the Canadian Great Plains before ice closes the river. There used to be "the Ogdensburg to Portland" railway line to accomplish that over land. It now forms the line for several scenic railroads in New Hampshire and Maine. I very much appreciate your video !

[@jwaustinmunguy]

Not a long way from the Dool homestead in Bishop's Mills Ontario. My great-great-grandmother Mary Dool emigrated to Upper Canada with the family in thecearly 19th century. I wonder of Tom S Dool was a repative. My great-grandfather William Ross was a lockmaster on the 3rd Welland Canal.

[@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205]

Never, ever knew about this type of transportation of goods until Sal the magnificent, appeared with all of his exciting videos. Thanks a ton, Sal 👍👌👍👌

[@theorenhobart]

they've been doing this transportation in the area for over 300 years

[@baobo67]

Fascinating show thank you. ''Boys'' here in Australia but no problem. Also we have been metric since 1966 however we tend to use both, certainly my vintage, Cheers

[@brentnorman6848]

For once, this shipping accident is close to my house. Love your coverage on shipping worldwide. Thanks for all of the great content.

[@Starboatbuilder]

Hi there Sal. Also, the currents in that stretch are bad. Lots of tug power is locally. This is one to keep an eye on and report, ( p.s. good fishing spot)

[@RobertSneek]

Canadian flagged vessels do not have foreign crew. To work as crew you must be either a Canadian citizen or have landed immigrant status. Those with immigrant status are also required to have a US B1 work visa which allow them to work in the States. The visas are checked by US customs every 3 months. Canada has the Cabotage Act, similar but not quite as far reaching as the US Jones Act. Most ship owners would love to get it repealed as it would then allow the hiring of cheap foreign crew.

[@FarAway418]

I use to work for UpperLakes Shipping which was bought by Algoma, with a Canadian flag, never we had foreign crew onboard. I know that they will switch the flag on some of the ship that can sail overseas during the seaway off season, then they can put foreign crew onboard. I often see an algoma ship tie up in my own town, Sept-Iles in late December as they do the proper change of flag and crew.

[@RobertSneek]

@FarAway418 My guess would be the ones switching flags would be Algoma tankers, as the bulkers just aren't built for deep sea. I was a cadet with Desgagnes and I know they used to do the same thing. If I remember correctly Canadian crew were given the option to stay onboard but had to take a pay cut to "International" pay levels.

[@gervaisbilodeau8465]

​@@FarAway418 What was the name of the ship?

[@gervaisbilodeau8465]

Because Canada has not enough seamen anymore, I read that canadian ship companies are willing to use temporary seamen now same as temporary workers in other fields in the country. Filipinos mosly. Good for artic ships mosly because of short season, but not good on the Lakes because of the leave system.

[@gervaisbilodeau8465]

I have worked on the Tim S Dool a few times as wheelsman. I steered ships in that stretch many times. I navigated the Seaway for 40 years. Now retired in Asia since Covid. No more white Christmas...just ice in my drinks. Sorry for the Dool's crew stuck out there.

[@janoswimpffen7305]

One jurisdictional note, the US & Canadian Coast Guards cooperate extensively. There are joint patrols, all sorts of administrative and treaty agreements, cross-border assistance, and info sharing, and they do this along the entire Great Lakes / Seway system as well as the sea coasts. I live in the Puget Sound area and have seen that in action here. There are actually two locations where there are boundary disputes (Portland Canal between Alaska & B.C.) and Machias Island (Maine / N.B.) but the services just handle those with pragmatice & friendly agree to disagree provisos.

[@otm646]

US and Canadian Coast Guard run enforcement patrols on the same vessels together covering both the US and Canadian side without distinction.

[@nancymilawski1048]

Born and raised and still live in Hamilton. Very active port, even in winter with some ships being repaired. 😃😃😃

[@otm646]

Hamilton is such a cool spot, I wish the city would come back just a little. The harbor is massive and the whole thing is deep too!

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

@@otm646 Not going to come back with a socialist mayor. It causes the same problems that American cities with leftist mayors and councils pretend to struggle with but would really rather enable.

[@timp3931]

Yes, "red, right, returning" (the ship in question was "leaving") I am a Canadian, in northern Ontario and we seem to pronounce buoy the same way you do.

[@paulbriggs3072]

NO!! The ship went DOWN onto Lake Ontario and entered the Iroquois locks... Not UP! (4:27 mark in the video) The Great Lakes are downhill of their neighbors to the west as you would expect when traveling towards the Atlantic. Erie is hundreds of feet higher than Ontario.

[@FunkedUpMadness]

Love your videos, never thought id look forward to shipping news

[@changeshifter4852]

Same here. Didn't see that coming into my life. Lol

[@RetroAiUnleashed]

Thank You from Canada Mr. Sal 😊🙏🏼 🍁

[@mikeb1721]

Great video as usaul, thank you. Have been following since The Dali incident so when I just read about this your channel was the first one I thought of and headed on over to watch.

[@AllNighterHeider]

I asked AI for a terrible joke, it told me: This ship challenged the seabed to a dool Then told me Sal would laugh at such a terrible joke Thanks Sal

[@cle_roknn3742]

Grew up in Cleveland a block from the coast. Loved to see the Lakers come in and out, this was back in the 80's and early 90's when you still had a very few straight deckers running. Now most everything has been modified or built to be self-unloading. Surprised that the Dool is not equipped with self unloading gear, especially as young as she is.

[@gtdcov]

Sal is the happiest person I’ve ever seen.

[@stco2426]

Great update, Sal. Plenty of interesting aspects to this and I hope the timeline is kind. Also hope there is no hull or cargo damage. An early chapter of 'Hornblower and the Hotspur' comes to mind, which is called 'A cargo of rice.' A great read, but very different, hopefully!

[@ZGryphon]

"Too fast, Vasiliy, too fast! These charts are laid out precisely--so many knots on such and such a course for so many seconds. And this thing handles like a pig!" - Lt. Viktor Slavin, _The Hunt for Red October_

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Funny enough, this sounds exactly what happened....

[@janetf9076]

My favorite movie

[@MrSbenks69]

Captain knows what he's doing

[@superdoublekapowzler2383]

you are relieved of duty

[@otm646]

12:17 to get through the Great Lakes, specifically St Clair they are loaded to 26' 6". They'll go a little deeper than that depending on water level, but water levels are low right now, all across the Great Lakes.

[@Hystericall]

I'm surprised nobody has dredged those shoals given the traffic. Respect for pilots and navigators. That's a huge freighter for such constrained space.

[@otm646]

The shipping channel is dredged. They are very careful about that. It's your duty to keep your vessel within the shipping channel. The only reason the Great Lakes are accessible is because there are these dredged channels everywhere up every river plus across St Clair.

[@boardnski156]

​@@otm646Yes, it's fairly easy to see the channel even from a kayak. The water color gets much darker. It's a bit of a straight line.

[@levidobbin5654]

Wellander here - wild hearing you say Welland Canal on here! Lots of big shipping history within 15 minutes of me in every direction.

[@004Black]

While in the Coast Guard, twice in 23 months of sea duty I experienced a grounding. Both occurred in the “Wrangell Narrows” in SE Alaska. What an absolute pain to refloat. The second grounding was so profound we in engineering were able to perform maintenance and inspection of the bow thruster prop. In our defense, the USCGC Planetree (WLB307) was solely responsible for aids to navigation and were in the process of setting a buoy on a shoal. Well, in that incident, setting the vessel on the shoal. Fortunately, the tidal change in SE Alaska inside waters is in excess of 16 feet. We managed to refloat in 14 hours or so. Yes, the fishing fleet made good sport of us as they passed. Of course.

[@jfmezei]

In french it is Bouée , so the US "Boo Wee!" pronounciation is closer than the british "Boy".

[@robinblackmoor8732]

it will be interesting to see if any of the network or 24 hour news channels report on this. They probably won't, but they should.

[@blaydCA]

@@robinblackmoor8732 No need to watch the news. All that's on it is and will be on it: Endless wars, Tariffs, Mass Deportations.

[@otm646]

Haven't seen anything National, but the local news channels on the Great Lakes have picked it up.

[@robertalan4717]

I worked as a welder on the old lakers. The shell is 1 1/4" thick. When they take on sea water for ballast in the lower St. Lawrence it causes a lot of internal corrosion

[@pattimyers949]

Very informative. And you are easy to listen to and follow. Thank you.

[@fizzys26]

Thank you so, so much for your pronunciation of “buoy”.

[@CJinsoo]

I know nothing about shipping and this is fascinating. Great channel and excellent presentation.

[@canuckchris-w6u]

Thanks!

[@waffles1ca]

If I remember correctly it was very windy that week, I golfed at Iroquois on Wednesday and we had an unusual East to north East, I watched an up bound ship lining up for the lock at Iroquois it took what seemed like a long time. The water level seemed lower than normal as well. Cheers

[@csxtq110]

And thank you for covering the Great Lakes!!!!❤❤❤

[@terrancestodolka4829]

Great program Sal, a lot of things going on and a lot of information, and yet now we will have to wait to see official report and complicated work to get off the shol...

[@Taketimeout3]

You look tired. We really appreciate your hard work so we will let you take a well earned rest! Seriously, don't burn yourself out. We need you in good shape.😊

[@wgowshipping]

Haha! Long week for such a short one.

[@anandasmom]

I didn't see any exhaustion. He looks rather resplendent 😊

[@bc-guy852]

@@anandasmom It's the Hawaiian shirts! I think they're his 'super-power' like Tony Starks reactor!

[@anandasmom]

@@bc-guy852 ahhhh. Little wahini or kanaka here. You may be correct. 😂

[@Mike7O7O]

Hello Sal. 'Another Brit here' who loves America. Has cherished family and friends there. And who doesn't give a monkeys how you guys mispronounce our beautiful language. Language is as local as zulu time and all the more colourful for it. I can't believe we're going down that cul de sac yet again! I don't have any specialist knowledge to add. However, it struck me just now. How much information you patiently and expertly include in every one of your vids. Many KZbinrs appear to love the sound of their own voice and couldn't get to the point, if their life depended on it. I suppose that having served, I have the anti-social habit of shortening all my electronic communications to the bare essentials. Unless I correct myself. The detail that you included in your Gaza vid wasn't available anywhere else, so far as this casual viewer saw. If Emmys applied to KZbin, I'm sure you'd be in the running. I was never a commercial sailor. Only a recreational one. So, your context setting is very helpful and I really just wanted to express my thanks for making, what can be a complex subject, as easy as Sesame Street to understand. I'm sure many appreciate it. Especially the Irish 😂 Thanks again! 🙂

[@wgowshipping]

Wow...thank you so much.

[@svtraversayiii9453]

Interesting video! This is not the first grounding on Crysler Shoal either ... A number of years ago my wife and I were downbound in the St. Lawrence in our sailboat and visiting the marina just northeast of the shoal. We did a SCUBA dive on the wreck of the Eastcliffe Hall which is on the bottom just west of the shoal after running aground on it in 1970.

[@Ryanrobi]

I live in Northern NY a few miles away from the seaway!

[@andyloebrown8250]

Me too.

[@larry648]

I did see a report the first day, that the Dool had pumps running and there was a photo of discharge off the bow. The wreck of the Eastcliffe Hall is under her stern.

[@CrackerFL]

You thumbnail really puts in perspective of how big the ship is. Also that the back of the ship, WAAY in the back, steers the ship! Luv the channel❤

[@1947maco]

Great commentary & info !! Sal you the man !!

[@dagoverstreet8865]

Hope they get it ungrounded safely. Shipping has been beat up lately. Sal gives us good information I’ve only recently been privy to, it is somewhat status quo. But seems like it has increased since the Philly bridge incident, when I found this very interesting, detailed, cool and accurate channel. Love the shirts, you could merch such cool shirts.

[@nancymilawski1048]

Baltimore bridge right???

[@josephkartychak6789]

Iroquois, pronounced like "Koi" as in the fish. Nice to see a video referencing something relatively close to home!

[@finnmcginn9931]

Pronounced "kwah" in the Canadian schools I attended. Then again they were french schools so we would pronounce it the French way. Cheers

[@sansnom508]

I live nearby. They're supposed to get it moving again today. Debating whether I should pack a lunch and go watch from the north shore.

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

4:29. The ship didn't go "up" onto Lake Ontario from Lake Erie. It went down through those 8 locks which, of course, bypass the Falls, rapids, and power stations on the Niagara River. Erie is 512' above sea level. Ontario is 256' I love your videos!

[@wgowshipping]

Sorry, must have misspoke'

[@HardNorthOutdoors]

depending where it is, the Saint Laurence has a tide. even at the narrow part near mtl, the river line plays a few feet.

[@smgdfcmfah]

It's probably 15 or more years ago now but there was a big laker run aground right in Hamilton Harbor (Burlington Bay) one year. It had a pretty serious list to Port (if I remember) so it definitely ran aground - guess it slipped out of the shipping lane but I know there's no marker buoys in those waters (I used to berth my pleasure boat in LaSalle on the Burlington side every third year).

[@michaeljoenks4633]

Great news! I listen to allot of podcasts on Spotify!

[@leventelikhanecz2258]

as i remember, these bulkers brought us out bauxit to sept ile anchorage, where we had a cape size to load. this strange slim fit proportions for the locks. it has a self loader conveyor inside. only at winter the bauxit get frozen sometimes.

[@SteamCrane]

Boo-ee, Iri-coy, red right returning. If confined to the Great Lakes, it's a "boat", no matter how big, otherwise a "salty".

[@blacksmith67]

People who live in Iroquois pronounce it very much like he did in the video.

[@dsnodgrass4843]

Brutal. Didn't know the channel was that tight up there.

[@leonb2637]

I presume that this has digital audio and data recorders. For sure drug, alcohol testing of all crew, along with interviews of them. I hope this doesn't interfere with ships in that channel. Still this is a serious grounding, The salvage and repairs will cost the insurers a lot.

[@otm646]

Word is they had a crew change out within 24 hours of the grounding. To me that sounds like they pulled everyone off for drug and alcohol screening.

[@danmorrissette4814]

Happens Often No??? i mean everywhere ! Hey Sal...Way to go with Spotify ! ;-)

[@brian13105]

Used to have a house on the north shore of the St. Lawrence just a the eastern end of the Thousand Islands . " LOTS'A ROCKS "! Dangerous for pleasure craft.

[@PMorganCA]

I don't know about downstream from Iroquois, but upsteam the river is 2 maybe 3 ft shallower than usual... maybe more

[@EscapeePrisoner]

Oh, those dulcet tones. How they send my heart a-flutter with logistics.

[@stevenabigail553]

Greetings from the South Jersey Coast! Great job very informative as well as entertaining. it could still be mechanical error because the tim s did have issues on the previous turn? Peace Out DYOR LFBF MAGA TYHP

[@COLPATRICK]

Sal, I see your channel every now and then.. I found this Tim S. Drool episode . I live in Rochester, so I hope you keep us updated on the disposition of this ship. Do you ever pay any attention to the Amazon river? We're taking a Viking Caribbean cruise that ends up at Manaus on the Amazon river. The Amazon river is apparently in a historic drought right now, and I'm wondering if we will actually get to Manaus. I understand some ships are unable to get that far up the river now due to the drought. Our cruise starts 2-25-25, so we will get to the Amazon paret of the cruise in early March. I'm hopeful, but we'll see. I suspect you have more contacts and info right now. Thanks for your efforts.

[@mastermariner1991]

Seaway draft is 26 feet 6 inches. With special circumstances it can be 26 feet 9 inches.

[@theorenhobart]

then how does a ship with a 28 foot draft make it through ?

[@mastermariner1991]

@theorenhobart i believe Sal misspoke the draft in the video. Seaway and Welland Canal drafts are as written previously. The only way the waterline of 28 feet shows is because of the bow wave as a vessel moves through water pushes up the waterline to the level of 28 feet, especially in narrow channels. The water doesn't split neatly like a scissor cutting paper.

[@otm646]

​@@theorenhobart he is half right. The projected depth 26'6". That is the minimum depth you will ever encounter along any part of that channel. However, the shipping companies know the local water levels and will make adjustments accordingly. I'm not on the St. Lawrence, so I can't give you specific current level info.

[@otm646]

​@@mastermariner1991 You're not representing this correctly. The ships will load based on where they are going. That 26'6" Is only the projected depth. Based on local water levels it you could have more clearance. When the guys are running only in Michigan or Superior they will load the boat deeper then if they're trying to get across St Clair past Detroit.

[@maxmacdonald7174]

Thank you for the news. I hope the ship is on a soft bottom.

[@richardpenner4686]

Very interesting...very good explanation of what happened...

[@Craig-o9v]

It’s actually in “Lake St Lawrence,” and even with the IJC digging their heels in on water levels, they can raise water levels slightly in that section between Waddington and Massena, NY

[@windsoraerialdronephotography]

Great analogy! Thanks for putting it together!

[@foreverendeavors6210]

Red and green stay in between, red right return. I have deviated in my little fishing boat, and bottomed out, I can't imagine how stuck this monster ship is.

[@bcluett1697]

She was originally named Senneville, she only had a little further to go and she would have made it to her original namesake. When I was reading the wiki about the Tim S Dool I thought no way how close. It's not that close but I thought it was interesting. She's been fairly reliable with a handful of mishaps. I guess she's telling her owners, that's it guys I'm retired.

[@bobace83]

Awesome reporting. Thank you, enjoy your channel

[@tinacatharinaeden2711]

Another grounding keeping you busy, Sal! What kind of soil is the ship on? Sand? Mud? I hope they can get it off the shoal soon and save the grain as well. Are there more groundings the last couple of years, or do we just hear about them more often due to your excellent channell? Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family! 🦃

[@BretLaframboise]

There were groundings in Detroit River twice in May and November in 2023 at same spot south of Peache island.

[@otm646]

​@@BretLaframboise I'm being a little pedantic, but the one ran aground on Belle Isle right in front of the Dawson ship museum. The other a little bit further down directly in front of Milliken State Park on the Riverwalk.