Canadian military accepting less than 1% of permanent residents who apply

The Canadian Armed Forces has received more than 21,000 applications from permanent residents eager to join the chronically understaffed military full time, but less than 100 of them have made it into the regular forces in the year since they were allowed to sign up.
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[@Rikki-Tikki-Tavi]

Permanent residents need to meet the security standard. Bottom line, no compromises.

[@scottmccambley764]

Ummm, don't you kind of have to pass a couple tests in the first place to become a PR ???? Personally, if they need to outside vet people it doesn't say much for the official security policies, procedures and training within the current CAF itself does it?

[@Rikki-Tikki-Tavi]

@@scottmccambley764 Mmmm, no. It makes sense to me that there would be a different, higher standard for military service than for basic residency.

[@peterpanimg]

@@scottmccambley764 Hi. Army will likely vet everyone. Perhaps the military intelligence level vetting is more in depth vs PR applicants submitting police certificates during the PR process. Also other criteria might be a reason as well, e.g. I am not eligible for applying to police force because of eyesight requiring correction using spectacles. I will need to undergo a laser eye treatment, to be eligible at least in that part, other aspects of physical capability notwithstanding.

[@scottmccambley764]

Honestly, do you think they give you the keys to the CF-18 hanger on the first day? Becoming a PR these days is no mean feat. I would bet my lunch that more PRs could successfully pass a Grade 10 Canadian Civics course than the same number of natural borns thats for sure @@Rikki-Tikki-Tavi

[@Marcus-ss4gn]

Permanent residents wait years to get that status and have already gone through extensive security checks. Canadian-born citizens, on the other hand, have never gone through any sort of security check in their lives. This red tape is just another form of secret racism in the CAF, but I assure you no matter what they think, this will also change through political intervention. Nobody can stop the change.

[@mitchellwharry2922]

The military isn't a social service. There are standards. It's pretty hard to vet somebody who's lived in Canada for only a few months.

[@chuckgreen3629]

Considering all the scandals of the past several years, I doubt standards are the issue. The CAF already had a hard time processing paperwork for citizens.

[@Adam.Langton]

Lol. "A few months." So you have NO idea how the system works. Good grief, how do people speak with such confidence and ignorance the same time?

[@mitchellwharry2922]

@@Adam.Langton my bad, a few years. That excuses everything. back to the drawing board. Out of curiousity, have you ever held a security clearance?

[@Adam.Langton]

@@mitchellwharry2922 yes. What does that have to do with the original post? Absolutely nothing.

[@nitinjaswal946]

I m Permanent Resident I wish to be Chaplin in Military

[@sujnathan6115]

I'm happy the military is taking its time picking the correct candidates. This is the responsible thing to do. Next there's a huge security leak and the same people pushing for speeding up the process will be asking who's responsible for this failure in vetting applicants.

[@Nightwing-hf2sx]

Out of the 21,000 Permanent Residents that applied for the reserves and the forces, only 77 have actually been inducted into the military in the span of a year mind you. This isn’t because they’re actually properly vetting the applicants it’s because their bureaucracy is so woefully inefficient and incompetent and understaffed that they can’t handle this much volume. Just like everything else in this country

[@peterpanimg]

"Standards matter". Due diligence and selecting the right people is correct.

[@cwx8]

Is that why they are asking trans people to apply?

[@eanerickson8915]

The military has standards?

[@etow8034]

The CAF now is a joke in all aspects !

[@DjAdam16]

Congrats to the Canadian military for their due diligence and tough selection process. The Armed Forces is no joke.

[@scottmccambley764]

76 successful applicants out of 20K is not efficient use of recruitment resources, anyhow logical or remotely defendable as a employment practice, nor sustainable as a provisional service to the CAF as a whole. The General in charge needs a frickin demotion.

[@akt7029]

​@@scottmccambley764 it is. The process started recently, and it would take time. Have you thought about risk side? FYI: I am a PR holder and I support slow process.

[@scottmccambley764]

Yeah, like you are going to be given the keys to the CF-18 hanger on the first day. Quantity is a Quality all on its own. The CAF has long forgotten that rule in most things it does: Recruitment and Procurement @@akt7029

[@etow8034]

Sorry, but the standards are already down the drain !

[@1anre]

The twidling numbers and retention issues are absolutely no joke as well. It's tough

[@bill5310]

I'm one of the 21,472 applicants and I've been waiting for over a year. I will continue to wait eagerly for the opportunity to serve this great country, which is the utmost honour. 🇨🇦

[@guillaumegiroux9425]

Don’t give up!

[@Gofr5]

I'm a citizen myself and it also took me 2 years from application to when I got my acceptance letter. Just keep at it.

[@ejd7881]

just wait for trudeau to be gone

[@xxXPINOYCRUXxx]

Never quit, took me 3 years to get in.

[@etow8034]

No honour with members wearing facial hair and man buns with painted fingernails !

[@aldricstephens8708]

People with PR used to be able to join quit easily , many of my friends joined back in the days mostly in the reserve force and then the banned it because many used the system to get their citizenship faster . Now they brought it back and I understand why they make it harder to be accepted as a PR . People that wishes to join the force have to show that they genuinely wants to be part of the forces .

[@scottmccambley764]

Everyone has to pass Basic. If you survive Basic you definitely want to be there in the first place. Just say'n. I think fast tracking Canadian citizenship for service is not a bad thing either.

[@IamAzuri]

Then start offering contracts/obligations for the reserves, so it will deter people who omly want to use the system, being understaffed is unacceptable, if we are attacked today, next week, next month or next year, pay attention to what will happen, UK have now decided to militarized normal citizens. It's been two years, and Nato is unable to stop Russia. What happens if more countries join his cause and expand to countries supporting Ukarine? Look how many people have died in Ukraine. They have underestimated him for the last ten years, and here we are.

[@1anre]

Which years was this when it was allowed? The US has a similar flow for citizenship in exchange for service but they never banned it and they've been good. So wonder why Canada didn't fix the issue instead of banning everything

[@TheeYellowDart]

​@@1anreWhen I joined in 2002, PRs were accepted in NCM trades; Officers were still requires to be citizens. Now, PRs can apply for NCM or Officer occupations.

[@1anre]

@TheeYellowDart Oh thats inteetsing to hear. What rank did you rise up to if you're still in? Which do you think would be a better investment of a PR's time and skill, NCM trades or officer route, as I've heard there're fewer opportunities for officers in the reserves, etc?

[@egc04]

why werent these people vetted before entering Canada ....how many sleeper cells do we have already ?

[@ghostebaby1074]

Probably millions by now

[@userinternet1782]

Bull's Eye, I'm surprised as well.

[@PirazkiPozk]

A fortunate Canadian who doesn't even brush against the struggles of an immigrant. When applying for PR, they go through all the necessary checks, including requesting police clearance documents from all countries where the individual has lived for more than 6 months. Some people wait up to 2 years to obtain PR due to all the checks. Going through a secondary, identical check but this time with the army is a waste of time and resources.

[@chibi_undercover9663]

@@PirazkiPozk Well said.

[@loveobviously]

They’re doing this and the US NAVY are dropping the high school/ GED requirement to join. That’s how much they’re needing people.

[@marksarty3502]

Not surprised at this at all. When we’re lied to about seemingly everything ALL the time…how do/can we trust Anyone?

[@guillaumegiroux9425]

I am a Canadian Citizen enrolling in the reserves. Despite being Canadian, I lived in Mexico for a little less than three years and it took me 6 months and hundreds of dollars to get all the security paperworks from that country. I can’t imagine for someone born abroad, espcially from a difficult country.

[@edwinruiz132]

How long did the background take you from the day you completed your CFAT/psychical test until you got your offer?

[@guillaumegiroux9425]

@@edwinruiz132 I passed the health exam in May 2023. In september, I got an email from Ministry of Defense asking for proofs of stay in Mexico as well as a Mexican criminal record (which was complex for me to get since I never got a Mexican number). I mustered everything in early February. Passed the CFAT and Force test on February 21st. Since I applied for an officer, I still need approval from high command. As an enlisted, I would have already been approved on the same night as CFAT/FORCE.

[@joekam3163]

Pay CAF members A LOT more, offer signing bonuses and re-signing bonuses, more benefits etc. Also, don't neglect retention. Lots of coin goes into training folks. Would be easier to keep them rather than hiring new peps and spending a ton to bring them up to speed. Quality of life and career. Better equipment, more beans and bullets, you name it. Might also help if you ask current serving members what would keep them around. Never seen a survey on that before.

[@Gofr5]

They ask us internally. Our answer is always the same. Better pay. The answer they give back is always the same "there's no more to give." And how could they give more? Our fantastic government only just finished slashing $1B from our budget.

[@eanerickson8915]

You want more money for doing nothing?

[@Gofr5]

@@eanerickson8915 Funny guy, but hey we are severely short staffed throughout the entirety of the forces. You are more than welcome to join up and get in on "doing nothing" with us.

[@joekam3163]

@@eanerickson8915 CAF members do and have done a lot for this country. You should look into it. I know, I was once one of them. We need a larger force, which means we need more people. You can't tell me paying them more won't help with recruitment and retention.

[@1anre]

No survey ever ?

[@A_Singh.]

As a permanent resident, I aspire to join the regular forces of the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF). I have successfully completed my CSAT, but the recruiting office has informed me that it would take more than a year before I could be enlisted.

[@PirazkiPozk]

When immigrant applying for PR, they go through all the necessary checks, including requesting police clearance documents from all countries where the individual has lived for more than 6 months. Some people wait up to 2 years to obtain PR due to all the checks. Going through a secondary, identical check but this time with the army is a waste of time and resources.

[@lshep9728]

The military needs to ensure proper candidates are selected because of the access to sensitive information and resources. This information and those resources in the wrong hands could be detrimental to our society.

[@john_doe_not_found]

We live in a peaceful world in Canada, and nobody thinks about security anymore. They think about equality more-so. But the military would prefer natural born citizens joining, because doing back ground checks when their whole life is documented in Canada is easier. A 30 yr old coming from Russia can have any background and proving it or checking up on it is difficult. If that new recruit eventually ends up working in intelligence, it would be nice to know he holds only Canada's interests at heart, and is not actually a Russia intelligence operative who now has access to Five Eyes data.

[@john_doe_not_found]

A secondary intake stream for permanent residents is in order. Give them a non-sensitive career path while waiting for their security clearance to complete.

[@1anre]

Ask yourself how the French foreign legion does it, cause what you just typed is so 1945-ish

[@lshep9728]

Bingo! That's correct.

[@darraghcasey8844]

I’m Irish currently here on work visa trying to get PR, would love to join. My family also has a strong military history!

[@jamescross6109]

Loosening the standards on security clearance is a bad idea

[@vibhorgoel3934]

They do a thorough security check at the international level before giving permanent resident (PR) status to anyone. They should collaborate with ircc because they are the one giving PR after doing a thorough security check.

[@jeanbolduc5818]

Foreign students come to on a student visa But dont go to school ... fast path for immigration

[@chuckgreen3629]

The CAF has had a massive backlog for years. "3 months" for citizens is far from accurate.

[@Gofr5]

As a citizen, it took me 2 full years to see an acceptance letter. Applied in 2015, didn't get anything until 2017.

[@pavanjoshi1]

your we site is not sending OTP for the purpose of authentication. Not able to register.

[@randomrazr]

given how the world is turning. toshit, we need more soilders then ever

[@michaelmcclenon6663]

We need real canadians

[@IsaacHozz]

Given how the world is today, we're more likely to give AI the controls. Then we're all dead.

[@BRENDANTHERED]

Thats exactly why no ones lining up to fight other peoples wars... people are done with these senseless wars. We should be focusing on / fixing our own problems before we have any reason to go trying to solve others problems.

[@parsara2585]

@@michaelmcclenon6663 Elaborate on what's a "real" Canadian for me please.

[@masterofmayhem2278]

We? Yeah, no. Fight your own wars, boomer.

[@howardfrench3869]

Stringent standards and thorough security screening is a must but they can and should accelerate the process. The bureaucracy is too thick and difficult to navigate. PR's with citizenship from other countries are definitely more time consuming but more effort needs to be applied. The active strength is diminishing faster than recruitment can handle and while you definitely don't want to cut corners, they absolutely could speed up the process. Clearly by their numbers there is a desire from PR's to join but 18-24 months (on average) of screening is just a lazy, bureaucratic mess.

[@goldguilder9554]

Canada has much stricter standards than even the US Marine Corps

[@chuckgreen3629]

It does not lol just inefficient processing

[@1anre]

And its shocking. Cause the US actively shops for green card holders(PRs) to join their force

[@blackgrandpa7652]

Maintain the high standards the last thing we need are sleeper cells in the military

[@Havre_Chithra]

I applied December or January and they said I might get a medical/interview appointment in September.... thats still 5 months away...

[@Selling_Merritt]

Probably also the aptitude test, I could see a high failure rate.

[@1anre]

People who are PR applicants are some of the most intelligent folks from their countries. Grade 10 aptitude test is a bloody joke to them in case you're mistaken

[@TheeYellowDart]

My barber wants to join, he's just waiting on his PR status to go through. He had a Masters in Mechanical Engineering; And granted, he might be partly the exception, but your statement is quite the generalization.

[@1anre]

@TheeYellowDart from what I've seen and know, it's not thr exception. Can you respond to the other question you commented on?

[@12aptures]

I did my test to join, there was a handful of them that applied however, they are not physically fit.

[@1anre]

Did you pass both aptitude and fitness tests and what trade?

[@12aptures]

@@1anre I am an overweight former athlete, I did the fitness test with some haste and passed. it is doable if you pace yourself and listen to instructions. aptitude test I passed and I am currently waiting to do my medical and interview at the end of this month for combat eng.

[@1anre]

@@12aptures combat engineer needs high scores in aptitude cause of some complexity involved. Also, if taking the Officer route, the score requirements are different. The screening would take time if you're PR, and medical should be straightforward if you have no major ailments

[@12aptures]

@@1anre I am not PR but yes I already qualified for combat eng. they said my scores were good. I hope it doesn't take too long Ive been in the process for like 3 years now.

[@Overpopulationcodm]

@@12aptures3 years!!!!😮😮😮😮😮 is there any hope for me as a PR

[@mdarks4117]

Many who’ve applied say it could 3 months for citizens.. if they haven’t lost people’s online applications 1st & they come to ask about it

[@MD-4mee]

Canada won't be able to defend itself. Why?

[@lingyjennifer8399]

against whom?

[@ethimself5064]

@@lingyjennifer8399 Russia has been probing Canada for many decades. Just wait till they take it a step further

[@DanielHanson343]

@@lingyjennifer8399 at this point a wild heard of cattle could overtake us and our military would be helpless against them.

[@libertyoverbondage]

Who wants to defend this country? Declining quality of life, and wokeism on steroids.

[@dangrather1280]

@@lingyjennifer8399right! With the U.S. beside us we can be the little mouth piece brother. Big brother next door will stick up for us.

[@user-fl1pt4jf9v]

I am an immigrant and I support the armed forces to hold the same process and screening standard regarding to all applications they received. I do not see this process as bias or discrimination towards PR, as national security matters. There are many ways to serve the country and our community, simply be a law-abiding person and pay your taxes is already a way of service. There are tons of voluntary opportunities for anyone who is looking to serve.

[@strangeprotocol5435]

Immigrated here 10 years back and a became a citizen few years back. I would thousand percent wait CAF to do complete chrcks before inviting me to be part of their team. Military is no joke, national security is above all.

[@lilricky350]

Even if we wanted to , we dont have the infrastructure and equipment in place to hire all these residents intocour CAF. Turdboy has us paying some odd 40 billion a year in just interest payments from the over 700 billion procured throughout his tenure. That 40 billion which i believe is more than what we pay for our entire forces.

[@1anre]

But when Russia's at the door, the infra will materialize eh?

[@lilricky350]

@@1anre being in a geographically safe place we prefer to wait until it's almost to late, it's the Canadian way ! Thank you Americans

[@Astr0b0y8]

Sounds like more investment needed in the vetting process to capitalize on the interest to fill needs. But who's going to fault the military for not rushing selection. Nobody

[@MrSpeaker69]

I wanted to join the Navy but they said they didn't need any land guys.

[@weekendwarrior3814]

Great to hear professionals speak - we need to be a combat-ready force, access to military equipment and national security matters are important.

[@2FLIPS3.5TWISTS]

No he could sell info back!

[@dislikebutton4981]

"we fight for your freedoms!" 2020: crickets

[@loganholmberg2295]

So long as they pass a security check sign them up to 10 years plus a requirement to pass the citizenship test. They meet those requirements I got no problem with that being a pathway to citizenship. If they are willing to give 10 plus years to defending this country why wouldn't they make ideal citizens?

[@Anticipat0r]

yeah no thanks

[@Samuel-jh1yw]

They're being vetted guys, and probably to even higher standards then Canadian citizens. There's no need to panic. What's actually worrying is the incredibly high vacancy rate of the CAF. THAT'S what should be keeping up at night.

[@egc04]

who wants to fly 40 year old jets if Trudeau hadnt cancelled Harpers jet order at great expense our pilots could be flying new jets and trudeau wont be around to foot the bill for the jets he just ordered and how many years before they are ready ?

[@1anre]

Why are folks panicking though? In 3yrs they'd become citizens and are the same people they were before the citizenship, so why the fear? Folks are funny

[@timothey94]

As it should be. This is the security of our country after all and traded military secrets and operations with the most powerful countries in the world.

[@matthewsemenuk7544]

How many spies apply?

[@b7knuckles7]

I did. And still been waiting for over a year despite almost 15 years in Canada. And yes still waiting for Canadian citizenship.....

[@mikaelagomez3430]

@@b7knuckles7hi, can’t you just take the citizenship test to be a Canadian Citizen if you are a Permanent Resident?

[@b7knuckles7]

@@mikaelagomez3430 I took the citizenship test months ago

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

@@b7knuckles7 15 years in Canada without leaving or did you leave for vacations? Even citizens can have their applications delayed by constant trips out of the country because they check to see what you were doing for each one.

[@b7knuckles7]

@@Tribuneoftheplebs only would travel for work when testing aircraft flight simulators on deployments. Other than that yes, stuck in the backlog.

[@valeriegiles6524]

They should have taken a stand where they were..

[@NorthEastSaskFarmer]

I applied to be in the reserve forces and was told I’m not eligible if I don’t live within 100km of the armoury, and that I’d have to be available every Wednesday night year round, one weekend every month and that my training will be non stop from May 1st to September 1st. No wonder recruitment is low

[@1anre]

No base near where you live ? Strange

[@NorthEastSaskFarmer]

@@1anre only 3 bases in my province and only in the 3 biggest cities

[@TheeYellowDart]

So first of all, Transportation Assistance while on Class A (part time) is available for people who live outside the geographical area and cannot commute by bus because it is inadequate. Second, one night a week, one weekend a month is the norm. As for full time summer employment, this is often required for courses to be completed efficiently.

[@allanj4576]

Really, this policy is asking for trouble!

[@IdkAgain-de9eb]

The reason caf was so strong was because of the environment they grew up in. CANADA

[@Woolverine25]

I applaud this gentleman. However, how many permanent residents WOULD fight for this country & its people?!!!

[@lshep9728]

Security screening is EXTREMELY important, this can take along time and if there's a snag, it can take even longer. I would expect if I moved to another country and wanted to join their military, it would be take a very long time because they need to make sure I'm who I say I am and that I'm not part of any dangerous organizations. As a Canadian, I expect these security screenings to be done properly for our safety. If you have to wait, you have to wait because we need to make sure you are who you say you are.

[@chibi_undercover9663]

To become a permanent resident, you must undergo up to two years worth of screenings. Having that again is redundant.

[@BobWebster-jd4wc]

Just keep standards the same

[@Icarus098]

0:46 You should joined the Afghanistan Forces instead of hopping on the American plane. Canadian Forces doing the right things to be conservative to accept those people into Canadian Military.

[@alcodie1558]

" Let them in until their security check clears " That isn't very secure ! Nor is it safe or fair to military personal for putting their safety at risk . Drag queens and tampons in men's washrooms is idiotic . Allowing unvetted foreigners into the ranks is dangerous and extremely irresponsible perhaps treasonous . I cant see them doing it .

[@microsoftword9514]

are they loyal to there religion or loyal to the country

[@user-qh1tg2eg9j]

It shows how pathetic the applicants are. Plus the bvious security issues

[@ShitWrangler]

Looking at the past 20+ years, the best comment has been: Thank you to those that have chosen not to serve the military industrial complex. It's gone nowhere, and now the collective west is toast~

[@moonbalancedd]

As a permanent resident, I didnt even know PR can apply. I thought just citizens, nor would I have expected it to be. That's bizarre that it's even allowed.

[@Drgamer-bc2fv]

The americans have allowed mexicans apply for years in fact if not a us citizen and the serve for atleast 5years they are granted citizenship after complete

[@forfairfair472]

IT IS VERY HARD FOR EVERY BODY TO PASS THE TRAINING YOU HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF STRONG MONSTER TO PASS THE TRAINING BEFORE ACCEPTING

[@TheDillinger187]

As a canadian I might need to join just to help out a few years.

[@anonoumos]

definitely agree to uphold standards, and there should be extra scrutiny for non-citizens applying to army to ensure there's no hidden agendas. considering all the recent events in Canadian intelligence leaks, the military should avoid similar fiasco.

[@1anre]

How is the US doing it and why can't they learn from them ?

[@danielpark8003]

I have been to basic training in Quebec. It is very very very hard and demanding. You will get yelled at for training and at the cafeteria. At therapy there is a body builder lady with muscles that will work you very hard. I only stayed one week, but left after one month. I heard after Covid it got really worse and many Canadian citizens are not interested in joining the military. There is no enthusiasm. Bring in permanent residents, but remember there is always a person who will turn his back on Canada.

[@lshep9728]

They push you in basic training because they need to make sure you are fit for life in the military.

[@danielpark8003]

@@lshep9728 That is true, but I went before winter and I got sick in November 2019. I rather have gone to Borden, Ontario. Remember if your are in Quebec you have to speak two languages when you are doing marching drills. I am not sure if they do this at Borden. I know U.S. military is tough, but they speak one language and that is English. When I was there there was some Spanish speaking people.

[@lshep9728]

@@danielpark8003 If you speak both languages, you will be promoted faster because you get extra points. For some strange reason, speaking both languages makes you a better leader...? So if you take a college course and I speak both language's, they both hold the same weight...I'd love an explanation for this.

[@danielpark8003]

@@lshep9728 Your point is true!!! However, I met three people who decided to join the U.S. military back in November 2019. More opportunities because they deploy more!!! I met young fellow who is white and he was 19 at the time. He had a girlfriend living in Okotoks, Alberta. His dad's uncle was living in Missoula, Montana. I told him about Pyeongtaek, South Korea and the base Camp Humphries. They had 21,000 soldiers living there. So he decided to do that. After his discharge and he decided to train another year at the gym and decided to list in the U.S. Army. His girlfriend what I know wants to teach English in Korea. My younger brother who is a doctor became an American citizen along with his Korean wife on February 25, 2020. He joined the United States as an Air Force reserve in Los Angeles. But he had weapons training in Alabama. I understand some of the Canadian military personnel go down to Louisiana and Mississipi for military traning. Here is the youtube at Camp Humphries. Being in the Canadian military will give you some good opportunities. I heard some Canadian Navy personnel rather wanted to join the U.S. military and I heard that from a Korean American man living in California while my mom owned a Japanese restaurant in Vancouver. You have to understand Canada only brought 10,000 soldiers to Korea and there is no Canadian military base. My mom worked at Camp Henry in Daegu, Korea back in the 1960s.

[@stephanieasenso2668]

Amazing that they are doing the appropriate checks to make sure they get the best candidates. They should be way more thorough for the Canadian candidates....as many people are inappropriately accepted into the military.

[@1anre]

You mean underqualified and non-fit Canadians are given a pass?

[@_AmanAalam]

Brig. Gen. Brodie says it loud and clear. We've got to be a combat ready force, so they'll do what they've got to do

[@carolinebourgeois972]

Or…they didn’t pass the recruit training?

[@lilricky350]

Yall seem to forget the militsry has to compete with the civilian sector , often much more lucrative and less restricting than military. On top of that the CAF still has problems with attracting qualified individuals across the board and an even harder time retaining them.

[@user-nb7co9hs3g]

3 Months for Canadian citizens?! AS. IF. It took me 3.5 *YEARS* to join.

[@DDSMEDIA1825]

If am foreign how can i join canada army

[@TheFatBiker-lr1em]

Good? You know how many people will take advantage to serve their home nation. Do the due diligence.

[@charlespackwood9219]

Very good. You have to prove you’re worthy to be in the Canadian military. Very happy that it’s super strict

[@Heartadia]

Why the heck is our military accepting PR status people? wtf.

[@andyfeng9469]

hey I'm a PR myself and I'm serving in the reserve force as an infanteer. we have a few guys that are PR at our unit. we're all welcoming them regardless of where they come from. I agree, it makes sense that PR should have a longer security screening but there is no reason to hate PR trying to join the CAF.

[@1anre]

Cause they'd be citizens eventually in 3 years' time. What does "PR people" even mean? You don't know PRs eventually become citizens, or do you think they're on visiting visas? Hohoho. Jokers

[@billhacks]

@@1anre PR is not citizenship. Not all PR bothers to get full citizenship. There's and old lady in my town that moved here in 1960s That is still PR because she simply could not be bothered to get full citizenship. If you want to join, become a citizen first.

[@1anre]

Dont preach to me. PRs will join if they want to. Else the government shouldn't mislead folks ​@billhacks

[@TheeYellowDart]

Accepting permanent residents isn't a new concept. We did this in the early 2000's.

[@danielpark8003]

Just join the U.S. military! More action and more adventurous places. Nothing to do in Canada.

[@1anre]

Have you enlisted yet?

[@danielpark8003]

@@1anre I was there four years ago. All I can say there is a female body builder that sounds like a man. Living in Quebec is not what you think.

[@carausiuscaesar5672]

I feel so safe now with all those women in uniform defending me.

[@eco8842]

This is the army that buys parts from ebay from its navy ships lol.

[@ijji4615]

why the military accepts "applications" other than citizens??????

[@gggcha123]

Because Canadians dont want to join the military to fill those 8k+ vacancies. The US military also accepting non-citizens for certain trades so, this is really not new. Maybe if you get off your keyboard and consider joining the military, that would help.

[@EmelyPhan]

@@gggcha123 Also, it's a "volunteer" force so no one is being told that they have to join unless they want to. It's the same in the US.

[@SpectacularDisaster]

They accept citizens. They're easy to vet. They want more on top of the born citizens who apply.

[@nuxkamina]

We need to do 3 years of bureaucracy first.

[@asmrfan6543]

Hey if you are recruiting people to fight overseas against the same people they were previously fighting as a civilian, that makes a lot of sense. However, I would limit these types of recruits to deployment to regions they are familiar with, and non-combat duty only. Simply having someone that speaks the local language could be quite valuable. Call them the specialists.

[@goldennewf7098]

“Permanent residents”

[@azondaxx]

You know America going to do same it's, 63% that people don't want take the exam tasting and leave military start this after draft was end in 1973 exam tasting was under way so how you think those drafted feel about testing and now testing they doing new changes

[@barbarawengert4460]

I think its great he's removed from the ballot 2024.

[@mrait]

this is bad !

[@rovinmangal4675]

Need to test how much they wanna be there!

[@serpentphoenix]

Military should be a valid path to citizenship.

[@1anre]

It is. Not just promoted enough. US does this and isn't shy. Wonder why Canada shies away from the subject

[@TheJimprez]

I just wish that they vetted every immigrant from problem spots as well as they do when they try to join the CAF!!!

[@freddie7249]

When applicants wait for over a year for Canadian residents. It's to long

[@artaudintwari1103]

I think that the security standard is the problem. Those people are already checked thoroughly to be a PR. That's because permanent resident is not a small status, they are entitled to almost every privilege of a Canadian citizen such us access to school loans and can even buy houses at a normal price just like citizen, they only can't vote or return to their native country. So, what I'm saying is are people getting those privileges of a PR Status without meeting high security standards.

[@1anre]

Who said they can't return to their home country?

[@SnowWhite-hr4ho]

Maybe if they were fairer to the cadets more would enlist.

[@TheeYellowDart]

What do you mean fairer to cadets?

[@SnowWhite-hr4ho]

@@TheeYellowDart they were very mean to the kids in cadets in 6 years my kid went nobody joined after. Also Google there is a class action lawsuit for separate serious issues.

[@TheeYellowDart]

​@@SnowWhite-hr4hoI was a cadet in the mid to late 90's. It was tough but I was lucky I guess. I am aware that kids were abused in certain cases. That being said, joining the CAF, especially in combat trades is not going go be easier. I was not abused but we were definitely yelled at, worked under stress and pushed physically.

[@Daniel-wd2ir]

In all for standards, but two years! The issue is not having standards, is doing things at a glacial pace.

[@myronspokedex]

We should be more concerned about our spending on the GDP index in defence as Canadians.

[@danielpark8003]

Remember this when you join the Canadian miltiary you have to buy bullets with your paycheque. Bullets are expensive. My guess 100 dolllars or more.

[@1anre]

Doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about

[@TheeYellowDart]

This is entirely false. Outside of guys that own their own firearms and shoot on their own dime, the CAF provides resources while you're working.

[@1anre]

Good thing the debunking is following all the wild assumptions ​@@TheeYellowDart

[@AbdulKhan-di4ei]

Lip service should not be allowed. Change the system

[@KajunSpice902]

There's a standard!!

[@ThePhantom712]

Even soldiers that got out years ago have a hard time getting back in . Expect to lose half the country if theres ever a invasion force of 50 to 100 thousand.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

Given that we only have 70,000 soldiers excluding reserves (which are spread out across Canada and internationally), it kind of goes without saying that if a military force of 100,000 successfully landed an invasion force onto one coast, that aside from US intervention it would be incredibly difficult to repel such a force. How you would ever deploy such a force without engaging the US and/or British naval and air forces though; Now that would be fascinating...

[@generalnawaki]

I mean, I kind of get it. Not everyone who thinks they can serve are actually able to do so. It's not war time for us so we aren't taking all comers and making it work. I would like to have a larger, better equipped military but Canada just doesn't go to war really. War is something that happens and then we get involved we don't start fights with others and no one's really dumb enough to start one with us.

[@ariesuy6489]

the sad state of our Canadian Forces...

[@chuckcrawley5777]

Let’s train foreign soldiers

[@guillaumegiroux9425]

Security aside, can’t we pass a equivalency exam for high school education, instead of asking a governmental one? I can’t see this dude from Afghanistan asking a HS diploma receipt from his Taliban government.

[@hhustlehumble1]

I doubt any other country in the world, other than the US, allows other citizens to join their military. If USA can do it though, so can Canada.

[@timogreenwold122]

Commonwealth citizens can join the British military.

[@hhustlehumble1]

@@timogreenwold122ok. Being part of the commonwealth would be like being a citizen who has pledged allegiance. That would make sense.

[@1anre]

Foreign legion joined the chat

[@user-tc3fd7nc2k]

Dr Robert Strang says LOCK It Down we can not let novascotia go to newbrunwick let alone letting someone who is not a residence! Serve in the military! OLD STRANG SAYS LOCK IT DOWN ITS FAR,TO DANGEROUS WITH COVID 19,!

[@ACTIONAUTO]

SEE… Dr. Peterson and Pierre interview. EXCELLENT 🍎

[@kumaroadking1580]

Can t get them,don't do it.

[@markkent8436]

God, Bill Blaire's face grosses me out.

[@TheAmbex]

Hmm... shouldn't the government have done a check before granting immigration and then PR? We definitely need more recruits, and using new to Canada folks is a good idea. Perhaps a probation period with access to low security roles only is a good temporary solution.

[@savagecanadian9659]

Yes new people in the armed forces that worked SOOO well for the western Roman empire.

[@chibi_undercover9663]

@@savagecanadian9659 When the Germanic tribes showed up strong and united to the borders of the Roman Empire, there were not enough soldiers left to defend it, which is the direction we are headed.