Was Sly Cooper Thieves in Time Bad?

[@nathanieldardar4295]

I'm calling it now: if we get another Sly Cooper game, we're going to see organic Clockwerk

[@rutemota6613]

I would love that. Actually i would have loved to see sly meeting his dad again in this game...

[@Darkmanewanderer]

Shh, don't spoil the Sly 5: Sands of Time for peeps.

[@Yabnhiel]

and a transgender ancestor...

[@itsblitz4437]

Man I hope so.

[@User-d6l6t]

Fuuuk no

[@msfox103able]

Sly 2 will always be my favorite

[@stoisch]

This guy got it right

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Short answer is that the story is bad and the rest is fine Long answer: sly 4’s story and characters does not hold a candle to the trilogy, even the first game was simple as it was was better structured and had more heart behind it. I really liked the ancestors but the main gang just weren’t right, They’ve just been flanderized into being more simplistic characters compared to their development in the trilogy. And I hate the “””twist”” with Penelope being such an asspull that didn’t need to happen other than being way to add drama when the trilogy didn’t need to pull a cheap and senseless stunt like that. I don’t hate sly 4, I do like, it but sanzuru clearly didn’t understand the characters enough to write a good story line Sucker punch originally had.

[@shamaboy11]

Couldn’t agree more

[@articusramos808]

The Penelope one ticked me off too for a bit, bently deserves to have someone to be with

[@hypershadix1]

vinnythewebsurfer it Didn’t help that this was their first game that they made that wasn’t a port (secret agent Clank)

[@ariadnedragati3213]

And let's not forget about Carmelita's outfit and... belly dance. Old Carmelita would never do such a thing. She was so out of character.

[@hypershadix1]

Ariadne Dragati she was forced to do it if I remember correctly, Sly had to use the Cooper charm to get her to do that.

[@clownymoosebean]

That one Bentley minigame where you're playing as a computer program shaped like a muscular commando with guns ablazing was really fun.

[@XperthGaming]

I didn’t like it

[@TheFemaleTitan]

“Was it that bad?” Me: Wait ?? I didn’t even know people disliked it...

[@dirtyfighters7751]

I really don't like it.

[@LifeWithMusicChannel]

It’s ok but I believe they had a huge tonal shift in this one. So in comparison it’s jarring and that’s why it gets hate plus what he says

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@LifeWithMusicChannel It gets hate because it's an unnecessary edition to the franchise, it has horrible dialogue, the villains were bad, repetitive outcomes for every chapter, character flanderization, stupid plot devices that are used multiple times, poor character motivations, and it has moments that are completely unnecessary and/or disgusting. Not due to a shift of tone.

[@UltimateTS64]

Right same honestly 😂

[@nathanwhiting5475]

Me reading this comment: wait, I didn't even know there were people who liked it.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

It makes no sense. Sly Cooper left his friends rich at the end of 3

[@GDColbert]

How? Sly wanted to learn more about his Ancestors after opening the Cooper Vault AND figure out why the pages from the Thevious Racoonus were disappearing. The only way he could do this is bring back Bently and Murray. This all explained in intro of the game.....

[@CarelesslyShameful]

GD Colbert what he means is that Sly left his fortune to the gang at the éd of Sly 3. He certainly learned about his ancestors after entering the cave but the pages only started to disappear in Thieves in Time

[@mr.thomaswaffles6700]

@@GDColbert Penelope : I want money Bentley : We have Sly's family fortune that date from Ancient Egypt Penelope : I said i want money Yep totally a believable plot for Sly 4

[@mr.thomaswaffles6700]

@Tisis Private They actually never rebuild the cooper vault in Kane Islanfd, they moved it elsewhere. And yes they could use a lot of Money but knowing Bentley he wouldn't spend it all.

[@mr.thomaswaffles6700]

I @Tisis Private Yes. But yet again Bentley wouldn't just use all of it, he is too smart for that. And if he would thry would've explained in the intro that both him and Penelope were having financial issues

[@CSManiac33]

Love the graphics, gameplay, and the cutscenes. The story has a lot to be desired.

[@tresheppard8942]

I have no opinion about Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time. I love that game. But I'm still waiting for Sly Cooper 5 on PS4 in maybe this year, or maybe on PS5 in 2022 for Sly Cooper's 20th anniversary.

[@ftrwrwbg]

If you love the game then you definitely have an opinion about it

[@BallyBoy95]

@@ftrwrwbg Lool, I loved the game but there was so much I hated about it, namely: Ridiculous loading times. Repetitive missions. Cliffhanger. I'm sitting on the fence. This is the only Sly game I have been too lazy to platinum.

[@leeviheiskanen1271]

Same, I loved it

[@thelegendarycritique40]

Tre' Sheppard Thats such a long time from now.. I dont want to wait until 2022... personally i want yo see sly this year or early next year because I miss the gang.. Been playing it ever since the first sly cooper gang came out

[@tresheppard8942]

@@thelegendarycritique40 Telll me about it. It's been taking too for Sly Cooper 5. And I'm getting very impatient for this.

[@swivelskittle3926]

Wasn’t a fan, stories of the first 3 felt like a well written saga, starting with the protagonist being cocky and out for revenge, then looking to seal the deal to ensure that what made him an orphan never happens again, all while being followed by two people who are willing to do anything for him. All culminating with a finale game where sly comes to terms with the costs of pursuing his profession, and how it leaves the people he cares about with no position to branch out, since they were intertwined with Sly’s journey. So he stopped, left Bentley and Murray the entirety of his thieving fortune, knowing both were capable enough to keep the wealth safe. as well as that, Sly himself can branch out from his field also, not being teathered by revenge, or driven by a bunch of dead ancestors and their heritage. instead he does what he wants to do, not following in his fathers footsteps, no matter how stimulating he finds the act of theft he knows the damage that can cause. Sly 4 started in a glorious fashion. It shows how people can’t disobey their roots that easily, it’s what makes them function as individuals, this applies for Sly, Bentley, and Murray. but even with that, it doesn’t feel like it was built upon come the climax, it’s as if nothing was learned from the past 3 adventures, Bentley and Murray follow sly, a man who has brought them to a place of incredible danger, repeating the cycle all over again.

[@marioandultrachap]

SwivelSkittle the lesson was you can take the cooper out of the thief but you can’t take the thief out of the cooper. And it did built a bit looking at camerlita and sly their relationship was more caring then it was flirty since they spent significant time together

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@marioandultrachap Except the game does a terrible job at delivering this message, heck it was basically ignored after the first chapter. They should've gone for an Uncharted 4 approach of this message. Where the protagonist eventually became so buried in the adventure that he became reckless and the supporting cast eventually made him look at how idiotic his actions were. That didn't happen at all in this game. But rather everyone acted the same throughout the game (rather than Sly being a lot more cocky and annoying, Carmelita being a lot less head-on and tough, Murray being way more whiny, and Bentley being deliberate) aside from the very short, forced and rushed character arcs that Bentley and Murray experienced. It also doesn't hurt to mention that Sly wanting to return to being a thief doesn't make any sense and completely craps on his arc throughout the trilogy.

[@richenrd]

@@marioandultrachap no it's dumb that Sly spent the remainder of his life (or so he thought) wishing he could get away from thieving and live a normal life with Carmelita. But instead of building on the concept of Sly having a hard time going back to being a thief, Sanzaru said fuck it, "the old itch came back" That's lazy and it underserves all their new time together

[@Mojo1356]

Uh, I wouldn’t go that far for the writing of Sly 3. The first 2 games for sure, but for what you claim to be a great trilogy closer, Sly 3’a writing is unfocused AF.

[@Muikelo]

Well my GF enjoyed in more than me and i LOVE the Sly Trilogy. Thieves in Time isnt bad but its not good as the og 3.

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

As a longtime fan, I still found Sly 4 to be my favourite. Sure, the story wasn't the best of the bunch, but it was such a great return to form, and like I've said before, if you told me Sucker Punch made the game and I didn't know any better, I'd believe you. What they did with Penelope was dumb, though.

[@Olivier81961]

Its not like penelope was a fun character to play in Sly 3.. RC car and RC chopper.. I didnt like the fact that you can't really control and move through a level with her... So yeah i never really enjoyed her. So seing her becoming a vilain didnt shocked me cuz she was a vilain in sly 3 too. But anyway, i see your point and respect your opinion. By the way, Sly 4 was my favorite too :)

[@TheCartoonGamer8000]

Olimemes69 She may not have had the best gameplay, but I really did like her character in Sly 3.

[@andelpage5347]

@@TheCartoonGamer8000 sanzaru games are very bad developer I wish they did not make sly 4 but give it to a better developer like insomniac for instance

[@BraveHeartedHero1]

@Andel Page. I don't think you would of wanted Insomniac to have it back during that time. They couldn't even get their own mascots right around that time if I remember right.

[@andelpage5347]

@@BraveHeartedHero1 well so far that's all I can think of but definitely not letting naughty dog handling Sly Cooper, the company was different than before Jak and dexter to realistic shooter from the last of us.

[@DaxterMaster]

I loved Sly 4. Its probably one of the most games that I actually had fun doing the side missions and wasnt boring or extra. The music was fantastic too. Nevertheless I havent played it since the year it released so I cant say if it has aged well. But a Sly 5 continuing with the cliffhanger should have been made from the reviews of Sly 4. Its wasted potential to me that they left it to dust as usual like they did with Jak

[@1Synner]

Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time was a relatively ambitious title that had a great gameplay balance/set-up, character abilities, challenges, and some memorable moments. It had a decent story that could have easily started off a secondary trilogy, and just looked, felt, and sounded great when it came out. With that said, I left off on an aggravating cliffhanger, and changed a beloved character for the worse, almost rehashing a previous story in the process, while also putting a massive strain on the relationship between Carmelita and Sly. It was a worthy addition to the series, and if Sanzaru would have been given the green light to go ahead with a DLC story or sequel, we could have seen even better. It is, by and large, a rough diamond, but a diamond none-the-less.

[@jaycar9642]

If I could change the twist with Penelope being the bad guy I would instead have her turning to the dark side because she was kidnapped and secretly mind controlled by leparadox, and it would all end with her being broken out of her trance and rejoining the cooper gang.

[@austinmorrison6953]

The story needed work. They actually lampshade how contrived the time travel is at points, and yeah Penelope becoming a villain cane right out of nowhere, but I still like it.

[@michaelpaquette7776]

I felt sly 4 was close to the first one. All of the jobs felt like they were on a track. The previous games took advantage of the open world. The jobs in sly 4 seem like they are all too guided. I thought the aesthetics were pretty tho

[@jppokemaniac93]

Aside from that one "plot twist" and the ending, I really don't see anything wrong with Sly 4, maybe it's just me, but I absolutely love Sly 4, it's the best game in the series for me and it's in my Top 10 Personal Favourite Games, that said I can see a few reasons why people aren't as fond of this game as the OG trilogy on the PS2, like I said, ending it on a cliffhanger with no plans on continuing from that point sucks, it's the same thing that happened with the MegaMan Legends series, with the second game also ending on a cliffhanger and the third game being cancelled, but I still remain hopeful that one day, they'll finish the story where the cliffhanger ending left off, I don't care if it comes out as a PS5 exclusive as long as it's being developed, I'm gonna be happy no matter what

[@slyplays1167]

sly 3 will forever be my all time favorite game but i also really loved sly 4. i can see why some people hated it but i really enjoyed playing this game!

[@puffythedestroyer8878]

I just want 2 things: Sly 5, & the Sly Cooper tv series. If I can get both, I’m set. All that matters to me. : P

[@Troll_vs.]

What we need is a spin off game that purely focuses on the ancestors. Meaning we play exclusively as them in their lives. They are an important part of the lore of sly and thieves in time did not show that nor give the credit to the mystery built up in previous games especially the finale of 3. Yes they are sly clones since they are his ancestors and literally taught him everything he knows but they arent just clones they are masters in their own right and shouldve captured that feeling. Sly is comprised of everything they are not the other way around

[@neutopiathree]

"Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time" was my favorite game to play on my PS3. I know that the last scene after the credits (if you get all the Treasures, Sly Masks, Vaults Opened, Clue Bottles, and Trophies to 100%) is a cliffhanger, but everyone really wanted to know what happened to Sly Cooper in Ancient Egypt. Can his team save him, or Sly will be stuck here in Ancient Egypt forever? Give everyone the answer, and please, make Sly Cooper 5, so that everyone wants to know.

[@grimlockgreg3063]

Same here I grew up on this game and at least they gave some reason why TAKE NOTES SLY 3

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@grimlockgreg3063 "and at least they gave some reason why" What the heck is that supposed to mean? "TAKE NOTES SLY 3" At least Sly 3 outclassed Sly 4 in every way. Giving the characters a very plausible ending that they deserved, way better villains, a WAY better story, far better characters, a WAY better antagonist, better boss fights, better unlockables, and, overall, better gameplay. At least in Sly 3, Sly wasn't an arrogant, cocky selfish brat who didn't know how to take situations seriously and stand-up for himself. At least in Sly 3, Sly showed incredible respect and honour for his ancestors, yet in Sly 4 he was pretty whiny about them. At least Sly 3 took the story in a WAY better and more understandable direction, rather than placing the characters in a very garbage and unnecessary plot so during the end our characters learn absolutely nothing. Also, the climax is a big joke. I don't feel sad at all. In Sly 4, Sly went from being a kind righteous person to being one of the worst characters ever. To a point where I kind of rooted for El Jefe during their boss fight.

[@grimlockgreg3063]

Dirty Fighters @ they explain where they bosses came from and what happen to them unlike sly 3 where 2 of the 8 bosses aren’t even given some history, unlike sly 4 where 5 out of 6 bosses are given backstory and proper conclusions

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@grimlockgreg3063 So? The bosses sucked in Sly 4 since they were outlandishly annoying and they weren't threatening at all. El Jefe is the only good boss, since he retains the classic charm that the bosses in Sly 1 did and because his actor, Nolan North, did a pretty good job as him. He's funny, threatening and cool. Toothpick is bad. His backstory is pretty ordinary and cliché, but he's annoying, unfunny, and really unthreatening. He ditched the original-charm that El Jefe had and his attempts for humour fell completely flat. His boss fight was mostly a rip-off of Raleigh's boss fight from Sly 1 and his ending was VERY anti-climatic. Grizz was the same, but his backstory is a lot more interesting and he retains the classic-feel of Sly 3's bosses, but then all interest was wasted when we learnt his true intentions. His rapping-stuff is pretty funny for me, but as a whole, he isn't that good. His boss fight is so damn annoying and repetitive and is a rip-off of Sly 3's Opera-Scene and Sly 2's Dance-Scene-ish. I could make a 1 hour-long video as to why Penelope absolutely SUCKS as a villain, but not for the sake of this. Ms. Decibal is a blatant rip-off of Dimitri, only difference is that Dimitri was interested in art. She's not funny, unthreatening and very annoying. Especially when she whines like a baby. Her boss fight is cool though, I liked that. Even if it is just a mixture of Rajan and John Bison's fight-ish. And then there's Le Paradox, he's the 2nd worst villain. Penelope beats him by a long-shot, but Le Paradox is still awful. He isn't threatening, his motivations don't line-up nor do they make sense, he's annoying and was a waste of time. He did NOTHING throughout the game. He didn't steal the canes, he didn't design the time-machine, he didn't fight the gang, he didn't tamper with the time-periods, nothing. And the game LITERALLY says this! His boss fight was... OK. It was fine. But it was a terrible way to end the series. The fight is so easy that I'd consider it a challenge to get HIT! And wow. What a way to end the series, with a boss fight so easy that you could multi-task. The build-up wasn't good, the fight wasn't that good, and the conclusion was awful.

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@grimlockgreg3063 Now, let's check-out Sly 3's bosses. Don Octavio is pretty good. He has his own unique charm, he's threatening and his boss fight is pretty cool. First its an opera-challenge, where Bentley hilariously competes against Octavio, all the while Sly is slicing the ropes holding a light, meanwhile they're both waiting for Octavio to get under the light, they cut it, but Carmelita destroys it, and Octavio manages to escape! BUT, then we enter an awesome canal chase where we shoot Octavio's motor and he crashes right back where we started. Then he blows up some houses with the detonator and then we're shown that he's freakishly fast in combat! Then Murray enters the ring, we fight him while travelling through the city, and then he finally falls. THAT is awesome. While his motivation doesn't make that much sense, his fight was awesome and he as a whole is a pretty cool villain. The black mask is weird... I don't really like it all that much because it's pretty weird... And it does get pretty annoying over-time, but the missions it's in, are awesome, mostly. Remember the Lemonade Drinking contest? That was one of the best things I have ever played. As a whole, it's a decent villain, obviously not that good. But at least it's threatening and its design is pretty nice. Penelope (or Black Baron) is like Octavio. But doesn't really get as much screen-time as Octavio and is kind of forgotten a number of times. But we're given enough information about him (or her I guess). She rigged the aces flight competition to win every time and was extremely corrupt. But then we learn she only dawned the disguise to enter the aces flight competition because she wasn't "qualified", and then she joined the team, how nice. Her boss fight is awesome too. I love the way it takes place in the air and how it transitions from a dog fight to a fist fight on the wing of a plane. So Black Baron's pretty cool. Don't really need to discuss Panda King, but General Tsao brings me mixed thoughts. He isn't bad, but he's not all that great. His voice is too off for me and he does get pretty annoying at times. But he shines in his own places, not only is he pretty threatening, but his boss fights are awesome. I don't mind the dragon fight all that much, it's fine. But the bamboo forest fight, was excellent. So he has a pass, and his backstory is pretty emotional, especially for the contrast he plays to the Panda King's alter-ego. Lefwee is good. He's very threatening, smart, cool and pretty funny at times. I love his temper, his voice actor does a solid job, he isn't annoying, etc. His boss fight is awesome and I love how much of a threat he's seen to by the gang and by the public. His climax was daunting and very earned and he was very evil. I really like Lefwee. Dr. M is the best villain. I don't want to get too in-dept with him, but he is insane. Hell-bent on feeling manipulated and betrayed by his former gang, especially Sly's father. Playing as such a contrast to Sly's gang and Sly's family, as well as tampering with Sly's emotions, talking trash to Murray and being outsmarted by Bentley. His fort being a very dark and secluded mad-scientist-like structure, making it all the more daunting as well as making him very threatening... Surviving countless near-death experiences, such as surviving from falling hundreds of feet in the air, being electrocuted by high voltage electricity, passing through the Cooper-Vault, surviving being under-water while controlling a giant Angler-Fish, etc. He's awesome. Easily the best villain. He's very threatening, he's awesome and the contrast he plays to the gang and the way you can feel the heart-break in his soul is daunting... His boss fight was so earned, and it is pretty challenging. Making it all the more daunting and making you wish he won't win. Then he is finally crushed under tons of rubble. He spent most of his life trying to crack the Cooper-Vault and discover its fortune, and he was done... Now, compare Dr. M to Le Paradox. Did Dr. M do nothing? Heck no, he almost killed Sly, he humiliated Dimitri, he tampered with Sly and his gang's emotions, and built a very secluded island that not even Bentley knew how to break into at first. Was his boss fight easy? No. It was pretty challenging, his movement was very unpredictable and he was pretty strong, keeping you on your toes and strategising with the gadgets that you picked up throughout the gang. Was Dr. M unthreatening? No. With all of the deformed supernatural-like animals he had created, his island's structure, his will to murder his own minions, his feats and technology make him very threatening. Were his motivations implausible? No. They weren't. He felt so betrayed and manipulated by his former gang that he came to abandon them and try to steal the glory for himself, or at least have a hint of it... Is he annoying? No. For reasons I've already hinted. There. That's why Sly 3's villains still trump over Sly 4's villains. El Jefe can live up to some of them, but everyone else falls very flat and are a waste of time.

[@tailsprower8118]

I think one way to “fix” some of the plot would be that in Sly 5 (if it gets made) it starts off in Egypt and down the line the reason Penelope betrayed Bentley and the gang, she was put under a faulty mind control device by someone who hated Bentley, like some evil rival or something.

[@lillianbradshaw3277]

no the real way to fix this game was to use one of the unused villains as the black knight, they had other designs for villains to be the black knight then one guy was like 'Hey let's butcher Penelope's character to make her a twist villain' and everyone agreed

[@tailsprower8118]

Lillian Bradshaw well they didn’t, which is why I came up with this. You can’t change the plot for a game that’s already out, so use it to come up with something so it makes more sense.......as best as you can anyway

[@lillianbradshaw3277]

@@tailsprower8118 I like your idea a lot, two other ideas are that paradox somehow convinced her it was for the greater good and keep it being for Bently but have the change of it being for his safety like paradox threatened to hurt him

[@dynostretch9215]

Mind control would actually work perfectly, since Ms. Decibel was a hypnotist herself. Explaining Penelope's strange twist in character over being under the influence by Decibel's music would had worked amazingly well to the point where I'm surprised they didn't do it. If it's a matter of wanting to create conflict in Penelope's character, they could say there was small a part of her deep down that did feel like Bentley was focusing too much on Sly's vault over anything else, and the hypnotism just brought out that in a far more extreme way than she ever wanted, and it makes her afraid of just how far she might go.

[@moneylover318]

I say I love the game myself and I knew not to expect A lot after almost 10 years Which is why I love that. People often making sly 5 a plan fiction that goes with this game, especially line of thieves.

[@JAYDOG1337A]

I honestly really like thieves in time, the only part I really dislike is... well yeah, bob. I liked Ryoichi's whole style of basically being the basis for what sly would become in the future, while still having his own long jump to make him unique, especially with the faint mystical/spiritual vibe to it. I enjoyed seeing a cooper actually using a gun with Tennessee. Bob was just super lame, it feels like he's supposed to be a strong Cooper, but it falls flat because he isn't even that strong, his climbing was noteworthy, but it really slows down the gameplay. I honestly didn't mind Sir Galleth, I like his thing of destroying obstacles, but it fells like a missed opportunity to not have him have a move to do it to obstacles on ground level as well. Salim was fun as a character, but he didn't really bring anything to the table, he just felt like a reskinned Sly, like his climbing fast is cool, but then Sly gets the thief outfit that allows him to do the same thing by slowing down time, and unlike the previous games when you slow down time in this one sly is able to move at full speed, it was a huge missed opportunity to not have the rest of the 40 thieves play a bigger role.

[@kingofboston]

Thieves in time was my whole childhood

[@CocoTeamRacing]

Yes because they randomly made Penellope evil and completely changed her personality, completely disregarded and did nothing with Sly 3's ending where he leaves his gang to be with Carmelita, gave Carmelita a ridiculously skimpy outfit, and they completely excluded Sly's female ancestors from being playable even though they had five of them.

[@ane6973]

JGamezOfElzam Actually, in sly 3 penellope is a bad person, Black Baron. So she actually had that little evil side but they just showed it more than in sly 3.

[@MsBrendalina]

Honestly, I think Sanzaru made Penelope evil because they didn't think the core audience could relate to Bentley if he was in a stable, loving relationship. And they also had no clue how to write a female character who wasn't either insane or a sexpot. So they just made her a villain so she wouldn't be a part of the main cast anymore. Worst of all, the twist was lazy as hell. They don't even bother trying to illustrate why she changed so radically. They just decided to make her a back-stabbing gold digger for no good reason (which retroactively taints the story of Sly 3)

[@ane6973]

MsBrendalina Good point, But Penelope is not even the only worts person in sly 4. All the bosses are ugly and doesnt have a point. Like toothpick

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@ane6973 El Jefe is the only "good" boss in the game. He retains the classic energy that the bosses in Sly 1 had, and his voice actor, Nolan North, does a pretty good job playing him. But everyone else, is either annoying or really bad.

[@dirtyfighters7751]

@@ane6973 I wouldn't say Penelope was "evil" in Sly 3. She only used the Black Baron's disguise to sneak into the Aces Flight Competition because she wasn't "qualified" for it. And yes, while she did become corrupt for it, it was simply about a trophy. And not about taking over the world. Also, she became reformed by the end of Sly 3. Where she wasn't corrupt anymore and joined Bentley on keeping the Cooper Vault safe.

[@ondra5558]

No, best game i played as a kid

[@deadlocked5337]

Same

[@KeybladeSoulLord]

I do like the game, but... I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON PENELOPE!!! Seriously, that was totally out of her character. Penelope was a well written character in Sly 3, great development in the story and the relationship between her and Bentley was one of the big things I love about her. This twist was totally out of character, and the explanation was completely weak. That twist made me stop playing the game for a month in order for me to recover.

[@RhinoSCE]

The only way I could see Penelope's betrayal working was if she was blackmailed into helping Paradox, and if she didn't, Bentley would be hurt, then when she gave Paradox the plans to the time machine, she was forced to continue to help as Bentley was still being used as the bargaining chip as with a time machine, Paradox could easily alter time to remove Bentley from existence. The boss fight could've been the same, except its Penelope being forced to stop Bentley as those were her orders, not for money.

[@thomazdan]

For me, as a grown up and fan of Sly Cooper franchise, I just hope that if another game is made, it basically forgets everything from SC Thieves in Time.

[@jakedewg.m4708]

I enjoy sly cooper 4 but i do agree that some stuff don't make sense in the story and my favorite sly cooper game is sly cooper 2

[@xinrickdragon9198]

I really liked the game, but I have to bring up that Penelope thought that Sly was holding Bentley's Potential back from a lot of things, and sure the 'selling it' would have been a problem considering Penelope didn't care about who they sold it to, but then later she learned that Bentley was just like that, Sly wasn't holding anything about Bentley back. Do I agree that Sly 4 would have never existed if Penelope and Bentley actually talked about that crap? Yes. Am I upset at this game because of that? No. Also, just wanted to point out that why the second half feels weirdly bad, maybe it's because they got the first half done on schedule, but then they had a sudden time crunch that just started to make people lose focus on the broader picture, including the cut Egypt part

[@noblesseoblige319]

The worst thing about Penelope is that at the end of sly 3, sly left them a literal ton of gold. They were already rich, and she was the one THAT MADE THE VAULT LOCKING THE MONEY AWAY how the hell can you turn greedy when you don't even touch the crap ton of money you're given, and make it impossible for people not tied to your new cooper gang to access? If you're gonna pull a evil villain twist, start out the game with someone stealing the entire vault, which should be literally impossible without the cane and whatever Bently tied his and murrys sections to. At least then we'd get hints of her greed and the fact that only she could break the vault since she helped make it

[@GhabulousGhoti]

I have the super unpopular opinion that Sly 1 is by far the best game. I love the "one-hit" system. I love the intense, tight platforming. 2 felt to me like a bit of a mess. I found it really tedious, I REALLY hated playing as Bently and Murray, and I hated how the story tried to make it out that Clockwerk was LITERALLY fueled by hatred (I always interpreted his lines in Sly 1 to mean that hatred was his drive to achieve immortality through machinery, not the literal reason he was still alive). I thought 3's story was forgettable as hell, but I felt that the gameplay itself largely improved on 2 and was a much more enjoyable result. Honestly, Sly 4 is my second favorite game in the series. I totally agree that the story itself was ass, but I adored the visual overhaul and I liked how the platforming was more of a focus again, like in Sly 1. The worlds were just significantly more fun to explore IMO. Still not even close to Sly 1 (Sly 1 is easily in my top 5 favorite games of all time), but it was the first time I played a Sly game since the first one and didn't feel completely underwhelmed by it, even if it did have lower low points than 2 and 3.

[@isharpedge8469]

I prefer the cinematics, artstyle and character design of 2 and 3 waaay more than 4. 4 had amazing gameplay tho, but again, story in 2 and 3 were phenomenal. 4 was.. oof.

[@codymerrell976]

I believe Sly Cooper 4 Thieves in Time was a good game And even though Sly has a hairatege of Theives I wasn't aware half of them were grumps when Sly introduced himself to them all except Bob the 1st Cave Cooper So if the chances in Sly 5 Sly's Comeback If Sly came across More Cooper Family members that could help Sly return to His time period we can only wonder and hopefully these other Cooper Family Members would have more friendly personalities

[@EvilTurtleSlash]

There are elements that I like about Thieves in Time, I actually liked Bob and his particular character arc as a contrast to the more limber Coopers we had seen, some of the sections had an interesting feel to it. I enjoyed the exploration element to the game levels and bringing back the clue bottles from Sly 1 & 2. My problems with the game where the sections of gameplay that relied so heavily on the axis motion controller junk with Bob's training mission being one of the only times it was bearable and I wasn't to fond of the character redesign on Carmelita making her so thin and twiggy along with the miniskirt. Still I'm hoping we get a new Sly Cooper game to hopefully continue the franchise or conclude it.

[@yzbrian]

I usually don't care much about story in games and play them for the gameplay itself. In my opinion SCTiT was a new experience and I liked the new graphics style too. I really enjoyed getting to know the Cooper family

[@Kneevirus]

Sony: we won't allow you to make dlc cause the game didn't sell well. Also sony: *barely marketed the game*

[@jorgediaz4742]

We need sly 5 ASAP

[@csharp3884]

I agree with many of your points on Sly 4. Personally, Sly 2 is my favorite, but I actually rank Sly 4 over Sly 3. I feel like both tried to expand gameplay and story by adding more characters, but I felt the ancestors were more fun to play as. Also, I liked Sly 4's replayability better. Sly 3's challenges were boring to me. Another weak point of Sly 4 (and Sly 3 to me as well) is that there didn't feel like there was a cohesive story. In Sly 1 and 2, we had a reason to go after each boss, because it leads to our goal of collecting the Thieveus Racconous/Clockwork parts. Sly 3 and Sly 4 felt disjointed since we never really knew enough the big villian until the very end of the game. Sly 3 didn't show us Dr. M until the final levels. Sly 4 didn't give a motivation to Le Paradox until the final 2 levels. Also, the episode villians in Sly 3 weren't really connected to each other and it was never explained why the villians in Sly 4 were helping Le Paradox. Although Sly 4 had its weak points, I still rate it as a good game overall. As you mentioned, the gameplay early on was amazing. One thing I love about Sly is the cartoony environments and Sly 4 did a great job with the settings. It's a shame it will probably never be given a proper ending. It there ever was a Sly 5 or Sly Egypt DLC I would get it

[@simonblackwell3576]

While the Penelope “plot twist” is an asspull I personally think the plot started to go down hill when by sheer luck Murray’s necklace took them to exactly when they needed to go, but maybe the guru had a vision of where they needed to go so he gave Murray the necklace in sly 3? Art design wise I liked all but two things, carmelitas face (because it was wide and flat so it looked kinda off) and penelopes redesign, like in canon did she and Bentley invent a machine to give her that body? Or was it that she was young and hadnt fully gone through puberty yet? Or was her first stop in her time machine the 1950’s where she almost hooks up with a younger version of her mum but instead teaches her father confidence thereby making her hot in the future? Like she seriously looks like the fake picture she sent Bentley in sly 3 Despite these gripes I do really like the game and would buy sly 5 in a heartbeat

[@someoneelseishere5964]

I personally see nothing wrong with Murray's necklace conveniently taking them where they needed to go, cause they were probably gonna die if they didn't throw something in that portal thingy

[@fibonacci5957]

After replaying it in 2019, I can say that I personally find it to be one of the best Sly games.

[@supersnackbros2423]

Not really hard to say considering there's only 4.

[@fibonacci5957]

@@supersnackbros2423 But it is tho, since majority of fans consider it bottom tier in the series.

[@maz5519]

I don't care what anyone says, i love this game, it's just as dear to my heart as the original 3 games

[@theace8502]

I love the sly cooper series with a burning passion. To say I hate the fourth game would be an understatement. It feels like a bastardization of the series, forgetting everything that made it great. Sharp, concise humour, competent writing, decent graphics(for 2002-2005) and the stylized cutscenes made it one of the best platformer series of all time. Plus it was also fun to play, with an easy moveset, and great controls. Sly 4, probably because it was made by different developers, is such a far cry from the series. The story and writing is terrible, the characters just don't feel right as opposed to where the series left off, and the need for artifacts to take you to different time periods is just a complete mcguffin. However, I can tell love and passion was put into the game, so i don't hate sanzaru. And graphically it's the best in the series bar-none. So honestly, I hate the game, and the writing is bad, but the game itself isn't godawful.

[@weewooyeet9246]

Yeah, it feels like a copycat game, like it used the same characters and tried to form the same formula and made it modern, but it hit its head while trying to jump too high. Yes it's an ok game but Sly 2 and Sly 3 were one of the greatest games.

[@sp5597]

Underrated comment lol everything you said was true and precisely why I love the series. Thank you bro ❤

[@someoneelseishere5964]

Idk, I kinda like the humor in this game

[@Jali1337]

I enjoyed 2 & 3 the most. I want remake of them ❤️

[@ShadwSonic]

I guess I'm the oddball again, because Sly 4 seems equal to 3 and superior to 2. See, 2 kind of... plods at times? The pace is slow, basically. 3 didn't have that issue, but it DID abandon all of the explorative elements from 2 by dropping the clue bottles (which, to be fair, they weren't done well in 2 to begin with). 4 does this part exquisitely, and keeps the snappiness of 3's pace. It would for sure be the best... if it weren't for the twist/cliffhanger combo. Gameplay is the best, story is the worst, and while Gameplay is King to me, story still does matter. So better than 2, and close enough to 3 that I can't decide who's on top. And 1 is basically a Crash game, done about as well as Crash 2.

[@ajevans1422]

I mean sly 4 was solid with a few problems but nothing like the original 3.

[@Byyte]

Bentley and Penolpe sounds like real life relationships.

[@hypershadix1]

Sniper Fist Sniper Fist that’s exactly what I was thinking when I saw that the first time. My thought process was “oh she’s just jealous of Bentley’s success and wants to ruin his life by giving the time machine to this skunk guy”

[@articusramos808]

@Groisu she made tons of money alone being the black baron with her own castle and an army of guards....maybe she was poorly written during sly 4?

[@thechatteringclown]

Honestly, I don't get why people think the Penelope reveal was an asspull. It fits her character pretty well, if you ask me. Penelope was never a nice person, in fact she was pretty much the opposite. Remember, she WAS the black baron. That wasn't a persona she was forced to play so, ever crime the baron committed, and there were quiet a few, was her own free doing. She served for years as a a cruel, ruthless crime lord, without anyone forcing her to do so. With that in mind is it so surprising that she might have grown tired of sly`s honorable thief thing and that she betrayed them like that? The only reason she joined the crew in the first place was her attraction to Bently, and the idea she could win him over by getting rid of his "bad" influence is a very real and human thing to do. So no, not an asspull at all, if you actually think about it.

[@AtelierGod]

thechatteringclown not entirely at first she was interested in Sly but then after trying to rescue her Bentley became her source of affection.

[@GastrodonAmy]

More closer to Frozen than in real life, actually. Penelope is just a gender-flipped Prince Hans if he was a terrorist.

[@bensz95]

I think it was a good starting point to start the series up again! I don’t think what they did with Penelope was a good at all! And the ending is so bad leaving us on a cliff hander. But u would like to see them leave from this and make another one. Over all I thought sly 4 was a fun game to play. And I will always love it bc it’s sly cooper

[@BlueKnightV20]

Developers of Sly Games: Let's get a new voice for Carmalita per game Fans: Can't they decide already!?

[@ChristianFrates1997]

I am going with Sly 2 because the actress made Carmelita sound like Jessica Alba.

[@BigBeast227]

I enjoyed it more than Sky 1 or 3. Two is still the best.

[@dieterroos4371]

I loved Sly Cooper Thieves in Time!

[@HeadlinesGames]

Yeah I sit right in the middle for this game as well, but the story for some of the characters fall and leaves the end just...sitting there.

[@reichtangleanschluss509]

I'm pretty sure that they nerfed Sly's hook jump in part 4, just to give Galleth unique ability.

[@MsBrendalina]

They absolutely did. And it was a cheap, lazy way to make Galleth's special move seem more useful and unique than it actually was

[@someoneelseishere5964]

@@MsBrendalina I disagree about it being cheap and lazy, because it wasn't in my opinion, but they could've done something else with Galleth's skill, like have it be the same skill but make have more ability without weakening Sly's hook jump in the process

[@Skehrcros]

Just like you said, the first half was great, then after that it felt like a new lesser team began to work on it. Now the story of Sly Cooper is in an awkward place, a sequel could retcon the issues, continue Sanzaru's story, or perhaps Thieves in Time will just get ignored completely?

[@JusticeSolaris85]

2:28 luckily in italian we don't have this problem, Carmelita kept the same voice actress for the whole series. Bob being a clunky non athletic Cooper makes sense since he's the very first Cooper, he had no one to learn from how to become a great athletic thief

[@GavBomb1]

No, it wasn't. The game is phenomenal. Also Carmelita had the same actress in Sly 3. Therefore Sly 4 is the one that stuck with an accent. Also Salim Al Kupar was awesome, he literally had a genie so the carpet and superpowers made sense

[@weeziepuff13]

Thanks for the review! Some good points. I was the game designer on Tennessee Kid Cooper's levels and a few of of Riochi's. I guess enough time has passed now that I can go back and start looking at reviews.

[@CanadianGuyEh]

Wow! That's awesome! Would you be at all interested in perhaps an interview for the channel? Lemme know :)

[@keatzthememelord5920]

I thought it was alright but not as good as the others, so a 'meh' entry in the series imo (Also, hi Canadian Guy Eh, I figured out your channel roughly a week ago and your content is good)

[@emeraldqueen1994]

Welcome to the CGE Subscriber family, Keatz The Memelord!

[@keane6]

That's how I feel about the original sly cooper. It's not bad, but it definitely needed some refining. Luckily it got the best sequel in video game history.

[@JoseRomero-xl3ki]

I don't think it was bad, we got to play half of his ancestors

[@nrdfox7689]

One of my biggest problems was how they treated Carmelitas character. She was totally shuffled to the side and used in only 2 missions. One where she did that belly dancing scene basically sexualizing her EVEN MORE then the outfit she had through the whole story. The fact as well that you could count on one hand the amount of story relevant female characters. The ratio is 3:11 by the way.

[@marek1shtar538]

I thought it was fine. Aside from the cliffhangar and ending and Ms. Decibel chapters ending.

[@ftrwrwbg]

I didn’t like having Clockwerk appear constantly and having several additional Easter eggs suggesting he’s still alive and it didn’t go anywhere. Some of his appearances didn’t make sense either in terms of how small he is and also still being mechanical even during the Stone Age.

[@GDColbert]

It's an Easter egg..... majority of Easter eggs don't really hint at future games but instead, previous games in a franchise. I.E. Infamous 1 and 2 with the Sly Mask on his backpack, Clockwerk hiding in areas in games, or whatever crazy EE there are in games.

[@cademills850]

Remember though he went back in time. So he was entering periods where clockwork was alive, so it’s wasn’t like he was already defeated.

[@ci7210]

No. Absolutely not IMO. Loved that game. The new developers did a great job with Sly. Also Penelope's heel turn was fine for me. Found it on par with the previous games. Want a Sly 5 man.

[@christophernelson24]

I really did like this game. A lot honestly. I kinda ignored the whole cliff hanger and it was actually a good finale. Slys gone. Hero’s death sorta. It was good. I had a lot of fun playing in the levels and doing the things I always had with 2 and 3. My only problem was having to wait sometimes minutes, to load into a level.

[@mervslaughter2910]

This is my favorite in the series tbh

[@senabecool7232]

Sly 5 bucket list: Organic clockwerk Connor Cooper That one female cooper in the book For some reason, give Bentley mechanical legs so he can walk again

[@Ken08_20]

The only thing I hate about sly cooper 4 is the ending

[@GastrodonAmy]

Gameplay wise, Thieves in Time is amazing, and very much in touch with the original trilogy. Story wise, I agree it's much weaker than the other games, especially with what became of Penelope and how the game ended. Sanzaru could've avoided this game having such a backlash by giving a more conclusive ending instead of a cliffhanger. When trying to revive a franchise, the 'last' thing you want to do is leave a cliffhanger after one film/season/game, because you can't predict the success or failure of such a revival, and this game failed big time. But if you take away Penelope and the cliffhanger, the story is pretty good, if a bit weaker than the earlier games. I definitely enjoyed "Go West Young Raccoon", I admit.

[@crystalwilkinson8985]

I’ve started playing this game many times. I didn’t realize until you talked about the first two levels being better than the others. I would always drop off after that. I never even made it to the level with Salim. I do think I should finish it eventually but I always go back to the original trilogy. If Sly 5 comes out of course I will play but I won’t have high expectations.

[@Yumi-co6bv]

Omg same!! I played it in 2013.. in 2019.. in 2020 and now I'm trying again after finishing the original trilogy. Otherwise I won't have any motivation for it. Never made it past that western lvl and the annoying need of the characters to always talk bullshit when playing is so annoying!

[@jullemasa2182]

I think that overall gameplay is probably best in 4th game. Even the second half to me was fun despite the extra characters, even they had some nice moments to play. Some bosses used nicely the stuff that you got on that place that other games always didn't use as all extra was pretty much making things easier or mandatory to buy. Extra stuff was fun to find and bottles came back as they really listened fans. Even last fight was really pushing buttons right time was really meh but before that they were really fun. Story is big meh but I don't play this game so much for story that it really didn't ruin my experience even it damage it (especially end). Overall this game was probably the best Sly Cooper game on my opinion even having some downfalls and other games did things better but overall it was awesome game.

[@AleT118]

I recently played Sly 3 trough and i'd say that it's on par with 4 And jokes on you, the voicework on the Finnish version which is my mother tongue, works perfectly for me. Also Carmelita always had the same voice actor on that version so suck it :P

[@lilwoofer8333]

Speaking of the Finnish dub, it was clunky as fuck in the second and third game 😂

[@rensvincentrevamonte2922]

For Carmelita in Sly 4 she did voiced by Gray Delise Griffin the voice of Lola and Lana in the loud house and wonder woman in DC Superhero girls using Carmelita voice.

[@PlebNC]

I loved it. My only issue was I was expecting La Paradox to turn out that he would become Clockwerk as both have a deep hatred of Sly's family and La Paradox could build an owl mech suit to disguise himself that progressively becomes more mechanical and fused to Paradox by the time of Sly 1. It could've been one of those "hero created their worst enemy" things. They could potentially still go that route in a sequel if Paradox has an artifact that could allow Bentley and Murray to reach Sly in Ancient Egypt and would trade it for his freedom, which Paradox uses to build another time machine/steal Bentley's and get his plan on track without needing a crew, i.e. Becoming Clockwerk. The story would focus initially on saving Sly then catching up with Paradox. Paradox is able to escape to become Clockwerk but the final fight cements his hatred into the blackness the Cooper family fears later in time.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

I played Sky 4 and I thought the change was ok until I realized there were so many weird changes that made Carmelita not like the original trilogy one, the animation was strange because I liked the comic clips that explained the storyline. The ancestors were cool from the beginning and then it went down hill. The Black Knight story why Penelope she left had plot holes everywhere. The end left me hanging for more but the Egypt thing should’ve been resolved with a 5th game or this game shouldn’t have been developed in the first place. If the fifth game does get done, and I hope it does so I can see how it ends for good, let’s give it a proper send off.

[@qwerty77772]

2nd best after Sly 2 for me. The Bentley/Penelope twist is the only real source of contention I see, and even then because it wasn't as developed as it could be.

[@lockwoan01]

I've only seen walkthroughs of the games, but I do feel that there's some potential wasted. Caveman "Bob" Cooper - To be honest, not exactly the sneaky sort (no pickpocketing), but I could see him sharing Murry's "Lift 'em and Shake em'" move. Carmelita - She could have more missions, which would let the player use her more. Now, while I don't see her pickpocketing, as she's a law enforcement officer, I could see her "searching for evidence" after apprehending a target with a "Detain" move. Also, maybe run into a couple of *her* relations, with her relations having their own odd relationships with Sly's counterparts - some are friends, some are worthy/honorable enemies, and maybe a few that make Sly and Carmelita blush, as they can read between the lines where the pair is concerned.

[@IronStaff7]

Havent ever seen anybody elses viewpoint on this game but you hit the nail on the head for me. This game makes me sad not angry.

[@izzymaedavidson1974]

I love this channel! ❤️ He does so much 3D platformer reviews and news. I am a huge Spyro fan so yeah.

[@hypershadix1]

6:50 just like in real life

[@GarrettRodgers]

I feel like it was a good game that was fun to play and did a good service to be as close to the original trilogy as possible, while still being a fresh take on the series to set themselves apart. While it wasn't perfect, it is overall enjoyable for anyone who was even a slight fan of the Sly series. Also yes, the ending being a cliff hanger gets worse every year, and we can only hope that Sony eventually decides to continue the Cooper Gang Saga.

[@finch_026]

Sly 4 is my favorite but one time on Amino I openly stated “my favorite is sly cooper four” and someone asked if I played the other games😂

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Thieves in time is (mostly) perfect

[@sirdaddio5102]

It was my favorite out of all the games.

[@iannations2543]

i think bob, being the firs s more of a start. he never knew stealth unlike the coopers which explains his slow, bulky gameplay.

[@Canuckskid55]

I always liked it I never really realized people didnt until a few years later

[@graydentucci1463]

It just felt like the writers didn’t understand the development of the characters...Especially Penelope “Bentley don’t you see how blind you are teaming with sly?” YOU WORKED WITH HIM ON YOUR OWN TERMS AND THEY SAVED YOU LIKE 3 TIMES AND ALSO WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY 3 FEET TALLER

[@keane6]

I'm kinda late, but I played all 4 games within the same year, and I've gotta say, Sly 4 really isn't that much different than the others. Sure, the dialogue is a bit worse imo, but at heart, it's everything I wanted out of a 4th Sly game. I think the people that hate this game are just blinded by nostalgia.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Agreed blined by nostalgia end of story...

[@gristlyknave831]

well I just played through them for the first time last year and the fourth game is by far the worst one because of the story. If you don't care for the story that's fine but I do and the story for that game sucks and makes no sense to be part of the other games and ruined some of the characters.

[@keane6]

@@gristlyknave831 I don't see how it ruined the characters. The dialogue feels a little cheesier, but that's it. It's still a sly game, and it's still just as fun as the others. The story seemed just as believable and just as good as the previous entries to me.

[@UltimateTS64]

This was the second game I ever watched a full let's play of after Jak 2. I never knew this game was considered bad until years later. It seems pretty good to me? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@notpassin]

it just wasnt as good compared to sly 2 and 3, but it was a good game

[@UltimateTS64]

@@notpassin yeah, but I see people slander it like it was so awful, but I'm with you definitely a let down, but not straight up bad

[@notpassin]

Ye it was a good game to me and honestly I would play any sly game, I just love the premise of the games, but still waiting 8 years for a new sly game. Dont know if we get it lol

[@Tayguins]

My favorite was definitely 2 or 3, depending on how I’m feeling about chair Bentley vs healthy Bentley. Sly 4 brought back the feeling of the 2,3 game play but it drags at times. I’m also not the biggest fan of backtracking and sly 4 had a ton of backtracking. I definitely agree with your comments about the second half of the game dragging and Penelopes deceit could have been better written. But it’s a playable game. I wouldn’t tell someone to play it over the OG game tho

[@boonegrigsby]

I'm in a weird place with this game. Personally I highly enjoyed myself the whole time during the whole thing...but I also forgot about this game...and that outs a damper on it for me. If it was as good as its predicesors I'd remember everything about it like I do with the other Sly games. It's one of those games you play, forget about, then play again for nostalgia sake, enjoy the time you have with this oddball game...then promptly put back.

[@bobafett4265]

Sanzaru did pretty well for there first time handling the franchise, I can see why Sucker Punch trusted them with the brand. I do feel like I agree on some decisions made on the game, especially regarding plot. Like they could've made the Penelope plot twist deeper than ("i am going to be bad, for the sake of being bad.") They could've made her question her role during the later events of Sly 3 where Dr.M was prominent and she heard him talking to Bentley during that scene, yeah that scene.

[@SaigonLO321]

It is not bad, I love all sly cooper games

[@angelicloonatic7516]

I didn't think it was bad. The only bad part was the ending where Sly was sent back in time with no way back home.

[@gamestation2690]

One minor thing that annoyed me when playing this game was the fact that when the characters are talking during gameplay, their mouths aren't moving.

[@SylvainCosmos]

I think they're counting on the character's back being turned to the player for that to work

[@TerrorOfTalos]

@@SylvainCosmos which is lazy

[@onyx_vii7808]

@@SylvainCosmos If a ps2 game can do it, then id hope to high heaven a ps3 game could.

[@neilcullen8055]

This was the first game I played on my PSVita as a kid so I have nothing but fond nostalgic memories. I remember it being a blast from start to finish, however, Assassins Creed was my fav series at the time so take my younger self's opinions with a grain of salt.

[@brandonbuell9571]

I’ve been a huge Sly fan since the original trilogy, so I can give my thoughts. It’s true that Sly 2 and 3 were better games, but Sly 4 was still a great game for a sly fan. I have so much fun playing that game and I even put it as my game of the decade (it’s not the best game of the decade, but it’s my favorite game). The biggest issue I have with it is the length of it. I thought because the game came out a long time after the originals and it was on a newer system, that we would get a massive game, but they had to make it small so it would fit on the Vita and I hate that decision. I would say this game is shorter than both 2 and 3 and that’s inexcusable. Also I agree with the last 3 ancestors not having any interesting game play. The first two were fun to run around the over world and play with their unique styles, but the last three weren’t. After you get some power ups for Sly, it’s actually less fun to play those last 3 ancestors. Their gimmicks were only made to work with certain obstacles that were put in the world, where the first two ancestors could be used anywhere at anytime. When you get the slow down time ability for Sly, you can climb those robes made for Salim, making him useless. Another minor complaint is I felt like Murray and Bentley were put to the side. I understand they wanted to focus on the new characters but Murray and Bentley barely had any missions. I think that extending the game could have helped that. Overall, I do love this game, and I’m hoping that the PS5 will be able to play it.

[@ReporterRed]

Something about the movement felt off in Sly 4 and it felt wrong to me. In the earlier games it was much smoother and it really made you/Sly Cooper feel like a master thief, but it felt a lot more rough in the fourth game to me and that turned me off.

[@lasse.k]

I think thieves in time was the best

[@WlanmanProductions]

I definitely agree your point about Sly 4. While recently played through levels, it feels the game is quite mixed. I need to talk about it’s pros: The cutscenes were very well-animated, graphics look very phenomenal As for the cons: Penelope becomes too out-of-character Writing becomes lackluster