Excellent tutorial ; older cyclists will have learned this by experience. The metal thing,as you call it! is for abrading CHALK onto the finished patch an tube to prevent adhesion to inner tyre. Thanks.
@lostcat9lives3222 жыл бұрын
Cheese grater?
@sahilsquadron22862 жыл бұрын
Well that makes more sense than what the instructions tell you to do on a patch kit hahaha, tells you to rough up the tube with the microplaner lol
@Do_not_assume Жыл бұрын
Waste of a step imo. Just let it dry before putting the tube back into the tyre.
@ifyoure555thenim6665 жыл бұрын
Sand your patches before you cut them, it'll give you a larger space to work with and makes it just a bit less tedious.
@houstonlochlan90013 жыл бұрын
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@melvinrowan98923 жыл бұрын
@Houston Lochlan Flixportal :)
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@melvinrowan98923 жыл бұрын
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@timtaylor9590 Жыл бұрын
letting the glue dry at least overnight would be a better tip
@wazzup1055 жыл бұрын
I do 2 things a bit differently (at least for my town bike) .. First I inflate the inner tube with the valve still in the rim. So there is no accidental flipping. Yes you are screwed when the hole is so close to the valve, but that never happened to me the last 50 years ;-) Second, I inflate the tire a bit before putting on the patch. That way there is less of a stretch going on with the patch when the tire is fully inflated. Hasn't failed me yet. I also remove the corners of the patch (less chance of it getting loose)
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
Good suggestions. But I lead bicycle touring groups (people use their own bikes) and I see tube failures close to the valve stem all the time. Often they're sudden blow outs. It's a classic weak spot.
@hr.457610 ай бұрын
...so that can be of use at home, but has no use on the road, right? Since you said "wait to the next day to pump it to full"?
@superwag6349 ай бұрын
@@dugldoothat always happens if tyre pressure is insufficient. Try running 1 bar extra pressure and the valves will not be the weak spot
@MarcMallary2 жыл бұрын
I use the head of a disposable razor, to shave off the seam ridges. I remove the razor handle from the head and carry it in the patch kit. It's like a little block plane. In the old days the patches had to be heated with a little iron and matches.
@Jay-q2j9z Жыл бұрын
The razor blade is a great idea
@nu1x6 ай бұрын
Thank You. Videos like this really deliver in the moment of need, when you HAVE to fix your bike fast, because of time constraints and the bike store is closed for the weekend.
@BrianRPaterson Жыл бұрын
I used to get flats near or on the valve. I solved the problem by cutting out a 20mm square of old inner tube rubber, stabbing hole in it, then sliding it on to the valve stem right to the bottom. The extra rubber protects the tube from irregular rim holes or any small sharp particles that creep in.
@jorgea.garzav46504 жыл бұрын
when I repair tubes at home i clean the affected area with alcohol -the one i use to clean my discs- after sanding to clean from whatever it has. And after pasting the patch i hammer it carefully with the co2 tank over anything that doesn't hurt the tube, like a flat rock or the floor, and when I'm on the wild, I always carry a few turns of duct tape around a co2 tank, in case I'm not sure I removed what punctured my tire, i put a couple bits in the inner face of the tire, to prevent that object -frequently a horn-, to puncture the patch. Hope this is usefull to someone.
@ArikIkirA2 жыл бұрын
These are my second favorite types of video from Czech Republic
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
Another fine video! Glueless patches are great for a fast fix on the road but even the best aren't durable. If it's a slow leak pump your tube up a bit first so it's the same size as when its inside the tire before putting on the glueless patch. Even high quality glueless patches like Park's don't stretch and shrink well, and so peal off when the tube shrinks and expands as you change it later.
@DIA40004 жыл бұрын
the classic ones with red zigzag edge hold very well... i had tubes with over 40 patches no problems =)
@OneWheelLess2 жыл бұрын
I like the metal rasp piece, I’ve been using them since the early 90s. I think it’s faster and doesn’t load up like the sandpaper. Most of the new patches are junk. The self adhesive type always fail, and the rubber ones are super thick and don’t move with the tire. I’m going back to innertube patches. New kit will be vulcanizing cement, metal rasp and innertube patches.
@Shroommduke4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I am no expert but i'd say you could use a lot less glue, I usually throw on just enough to cover the area, wipe it so it's uniform and dries quickly , throw the patch on , press it down well and air it up. Always works for me.
@istina278524 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial!!For 2 days I am fighting with ebay patches,crap!
@unclefester6102 жыл бұрын
Mystery flats like that are usually due to dirt that enters the tire through the valve hole. The dirt gets trapped under the tube near the valve and chews up through the tube.
@Handler40715 жыл бұрын
For years I just use few drops of super glue alone to patch small punctures on my tubes. Works well for me.
@nicksutton29645 жыл бұрын
Yes! me too. It works well on small holes so long as the glue is not the super low viscosity type which penetrates the rubber and makes it as stiff as a board.
@Handler40715 жыл бұрын
@@nicksutton2964 you're right. It can be a permanent fix as long as the glue adheres well and doesn't develop cracks. 👍
@viveviveka26514 жыл бұрын
A few drops sounds like a lot. It seems as though less than one drop would do it. (?)
@Handler40714 жыл бұрын
Yep one drop is more than enough, what I mean when I say few drops is few coats of glue in form of very small drops. Sorry for confusion.
@viveviveka26514 жыл бұрын
@@Handler4071 Thanks for clarifying.
@mikhailkalashnikov45998 ай бұрын
Back in the 70's we would light the glue on fire after we put it on the tube, just long enough to heat it up real good. Then blow it out and apply the patch immediately. They always held up until we outgrew or wrecked the bike, but back then everything was made better. Everything these days is junk!
@jennessalynam76823 жыл бұрын
I think the reason why the previous patches didn't work for you is cause you need to air the inner tube up a bit, patch it up, let dry patch dry completely, then let some air out before putting inner tube back into tire, then the rim and so on and so forth. Just a thought.
@gusjeazer Жыл бұрын
I use all sorts of regular patches, never had problems and they held up for a LONG time. Good to know I can do it like this regardless. I do put the patches on when the tire is inflated.
@leethomaskc3327 Жыл бұрын
To share - after I stick the patch onto the tube using tire glue, I use a f-clamp to clamp tight the patch onto the tube overnight. It worked.The patch still hold after many many rides.
@dan_lazaro5 жыл бұрын
"Flat tire, on the turbo trainer..." omg lolll HAHAHAHAHA.
@haroldrull49433 жыл бұрын
You are extremely right, tube patch is a waste of money since nothing really works. Best advise is to replace with a new tube or you can buy a tube vulcanizing machine , about $65 and you can fix the patch work and guaranteed works. Also the machine will pay off after and can use it over and over again.
@MisterSal98953 жыл бұрын
Can i get a link to that tube vulcanizing machine?
@haroldrull49433 жыл бұрын
Just go to EBay.com. Search for vulcanizing machine. Good luck and hope it will solve the flat tire problem.
@romanmentor9238 Жыл бұрын
What I found critical for a successful patching is not the patch,but the quality and freshness of the glue
@Veganarchy-Zetetic2 ай бұрын
I always have a spare inner tube that was repaired earlier to replace the new punctured one with. This way I can take my time on the new repair and use weights to hold the patch on over night.
@felixfaare-pul-leedakubo33404 жыл бұрын
thanks.. I now need to buy only the glue which is less than $1 in my country, Ghana. I just tried and boom it worked.
@tcmits3699 Жыл бұрын
If the hole was at the base of the valve stem or ripped off like my $60 tractor tube. I simply cut old valve stem, about 1/2" dia. Now with an old inner tube, my case motorcycle tube, cut 2" dia around motorcycle threaded valve, both sides prepped and glued. Never discard those valve stem sections😊
@999_pan5 жыл бұрын
Mark the valve position on your tyres using a coloured posca ,,then easier to match the hole in the tube to the tyre
@jeskli115 жыл бұрын
Al E Or just match tyre logos with the valve.
@jamesward57212 жыл бұрын
3M cubitron sandpaper gets the tube smooth fast - brake cleaner gets shut of contaminants. On "O" ring repair kits, you use super-glue to join the "O" ring - they're rubber, like inner tubes. Super-glue sticks them. So maybe it will stick inner-tubes too? :-) With activator.
@ggedney14 жыл бұрын
I cut a maximum 2"x2" square of duct tape and used a hole-punch in the center. I place this tightly around the valve stem, my hole punch being smaller than the stem diameter. I have had inner tubes bust at the valve area as well, and I think it is because the tube has strange conditions at the valve. The hole in the rim is made to fit a variety of valve stems and it usually too large. Inner tube manufacturers know this and so put a rigid plate behind the valve. I think this plate, not flexing causes the rubber to stretch against it and can even act like a pump, holding a greater pressure than the rest of the tire. It can do that because of the maybe less than 1mm gap between the stem and the rim provides no support. These ruptures (not punctures) usually do not exceed 3mm and thus I rest my case. I believe that the piece of duct tape acts like rim tape or tire to prevent a valve stem blow-out. The valve stem is the weakest pneumatic part of the tire, if you overinflate this is where it always blows. I haven't tried overinflation with the duct tape and I'll admit that if you overinflate, it would be better to replace a tube than a tire in most circumstances. Maybe I'll try it and make my own video?
@venanciorivrea5173 жыл бұрын
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@stevedubin3510 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, thanks 👍
@byrondixon46485 жыл бұрын
Just tried this method last night. Seems like its much better than standard patches. Didn't degrees... fingers crossed... The tyre held presure overnight.
@RowerWzywa2 жыл бұрын
Rozpuszczalnik ekstrakcyjny (AKA benzyna ekstrakcyjna) is slightly greasy. I wouldn't recommend it for cleaning the inner tube before applying glue and patch patching. IPA is a better solution. You can also use soapy water...
@steveco18005 жыл бұрын
Used to do this all the time as a child. Not fool proof but worked most the time on the MTB. Used to bug me I'd always have lots of left over glue from a repair kit, plus back in the day I couldn't find cheap separate patches for sale like nowadays. Wouldn't trust it on anything higher pressure! Recommend Rema patches and the Park Tools Super patches are a better glueless patch than Topeak ones (tried both).
@earlkjarbrown37534 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration! Thanks!
@leftymadrid5 жыл бұрын
I think this is a great idea, I can't wait to TRY this method!!! Well, yes, I can wait, cause who wants a flat right. I think this is way Better than those cheap patches, as they would seem to stretch perfectly, and once done just sprinkle a bit of baby powder inside tyre and your good to go! Thx bud, guess I will go and get a larger tube of contact glue for further fixes...
@GabrieLight2 жыл бұрын
But don't you think that putting baby powder will make surfaces a bit loose and that would affect the valve area?!
@leftymadrid2 жыл бұрын
@@GabrieLight yeah, at first I was pretty much very surprised about baby power. But asked a very experienced rider/racer which inner tube is light but that would still hold some quality to it. He mentioned the Specialized turbo tubes... And when you open the box up you will find a small plastic bag and a tube covered in baby power!!!!! I can say this, the installation is easier than a normal dry tube that sticks to wrong places. From now on I only use Specialized turbo tubes and the Tubolito 38g tubes which are excellent. Note; thicker heavier tubes will be more puncture proof that's a given. But now after using Tubolito Road tubes, for a year now and not one flat makes me think that sure they are expensive but very much worth it! Plus you can get a small Tubolito patch kit in case you do puncture. All in all, it's a personal preference as is the rest of things to do with cycling, it's whatever works best for you, and the terrain you will be riding on. Take care, and safe riding.
@GabrieLight2 жыл бұрын
@@leftymadrid Well, thanks for suggestions, you too stay safe!
@Sharperthanu1 Жыл бұрын
Have you tried repairing inner tubes with silicone caulking or Shoe Goo?(solvent based adhesive).
@lafamillecarrington Жыл бұрын
The metal scratchy thing used to be for scraping chalk (which was part of the kit) over the glued area to prevent the mend sticking to the inner surface of the tyre. It is certainly useless for roughening the surface of the inner tube. I saw one video which used it to spread the glue ...
@ronyerke92503 жыл бұрын
I saw people use things like sawdust, cooking flour, and dryer lint on thr excess glue around their patches to keep it from sticking where it's not wanted. I thought you might like to know.
@tibbar1000 Жыл бұрын
The patches and kits work for me. When they have failed it was my fault for not having them perfectly flat against the tube.
@VeloBarZ5 жыл бұрын
What are you using for a degreaser?
@brianmyers41575 жыл бұрын
Some tube manufacturers make the tubes super thin on both sides of the valve stem. So yea, you are not going to find any sort of cause/ sharp edge in the rim, you just have a tube with a weak spot.
@noah_ritch_47725 жыл бұрын
You can also use paper and superglue
@hfjchan3 жыл бұрын
How long does this patch last?
@petgrain2 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem with my bike. I just put super glue on it and it works perfectly.
@AndrewBlucher4 жыл бұрын
Nice work! I have tried this and had mixed results. Maybe my patch was too thick.
@ranborenbo8844 жыл бұрын
Man for great results u need to scratch with sand paper a bit longer to thin patch and very important thing u must cut edges with scissors on 45° if u understand me how to do and this will be great patch be sure this will work100 percent
@ranborenbo8843 жыл бұрын
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@viveviveka26514 жыл бұрын
What kind of glue is best (other than those sold specifically for bikes)? Barge Cement? Rubber cement? Other? Some dollar stores in the US sell a variety of glues for a dollar, in much larger tubes, and some of them probably work well. Contact cement?
@DryBowser45234 жыл бұрын
Will using a 26x2.10 inner tube Cause pinch flats with a tyre for 26x2.125?
@kaanerdem28222 жыл бұрын
Been patching repairing bikes as hobby and father of 3 children. But im struggling 2 days with a tire puncture thats growing after a patch applied, its just on a split and keeps growing after i patch it and pump it up. İt drives me crazy!!
@manFromPeterborough7 ай бұрын
Buttonhole the ends of the split, fold the split, cut a chunk out with scissors, a small triangle hole at each end will stop the split growing
@ashab13 жыл бұрын
tried loads of patches over the years never had a problem clean the tube just wipe with whatever available T shirt etc then score with sand paper or the metal apply glue rub in leave to dry 30 seconds press on patch for 10 seconds if there's chalk use sand paper to apply to excess glue around the patch worked every time for me
@dunrob135 жыл бұрын
Will give a try, I am heavy rider and stickers dont work
@Robinators5 жыл бұрын
Doesn't work all the time. The patch needs to be of thiner inner tube, so it could strech. Aaaand, standart patches, 40 psc cost like 2 euros, with glue.
@alejandromercado88185 жыл бұрын
Those Topeak are only for emergencys, so yo don't need to carry glue, it states you need to patch properly at home, in other words works as adverticed.
@ranborenbo8844 жыл бұрын
Trust me man its better than patches from store,i bought patches and they are easy to peel off and im startet to create patches from inner tube and this stand as long ass tube
@leftyseel86585 жыл бұрын
I love the color of your bike. Question, how do you keep your glue from drying up? Coz usually for me, once opened, glue dries up in a few weeks to about a couple months after just one use.
@AndrewBlucher4 жыл бұрын
Make sure there is no air in the tube and put the cap on _tight!_ Mine usually last until they are nearly empty.
@panchovilla54003 жыл бұрын
Hi. Keeping the tube well closed is not enough to prevent the glue from drying. I am kind of an expert at this because when I was a child, I used to work with my father making costume jewelry. This implied very often gluing rhinestones with pretty much the same kind of glue. Well, the secret is to take out the *all* the air from inside the tube. You achieve this by pressing tightly from the back of the tube all the way to the front. By the time you see glue exiting in the front, that means you have expelled all the air from the inside of tube. A good method to do this is to press the back tip of the tube with a pair of pliers and pressing firmly down move the pliers to the front. Think of this as if you were using a roller and you were pressing dough to make a pizza. Then you roll the flattened part of the tube onto itself to the front, to make sure that the glue at the front does not have a chance to go back again. Trust me, if you do this properly, the unused glue can last you even for a couple of years
@stevedubin3510 Жыл бұрын
Excellent 👌
@philoso3772 жыл бұрын
Nice video I guess we are going to use the same foot work as our French wine maker on our patch?
@EvendimataE2 жыл бұрын
i use the cheapest made in china patch kit...never had a problem
@FreshAirRules8 ай бұрын
What roughness of sandpaper should we be using?
@josephgonzalez9079 Жыл бұрын
You can also clean both surfaces some gasoline and a towel and let it dry for preparing
@jonienglish32315 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem with my MAVIC Cross Trail 26er with Presta valve !!! - I even sanded the Hole with Dremel tool and still Leaked at the Valve , was running 60 psi on flat road Sold the Wheelset Now running Ringle Flea and Easton EA70 XC no problems
@gaborbak9278 Жыл бұрын
You mean: vulcaniser (not glue). Thank you for the useful tips.
@Farfetched_Boi Жыл бұрын
Gore tex works perfect
@hanyaoyap18265 ай бұрын
Ab glue will do the job or not?
@KASTRO1o5 жыл бұрын
What are your opinions on the Triban RC500 or RC520
@othmanalkhayat97244 жыл бұрын
thanks a million!!!
@mandyhiltz51605 жыл бұрын
Maybe i misted it .but what kind of glue are u useing??
@monkeyhaters925810 ай бұрын
This video makes me feel thorny...🥴
@Akkigraphy2 жыл бұрын
Hey, so I just got two 700x23/32 48 mm Presta Valve Inner Tube delivered and to check that it was not punctured, I pumpued the air into it without installing in the tire and it inflated like a checken leg from on of the side and then exploted from there. Is that normal, or was the tube not good? I checked the second one, it's inflating like the first one with a checken leg on a side and then I stopped because I might be able to return it. Please help me if you know.
@antonoudenhoven75735 жыл бұрын
Try the simson brand patch kit its good quality greath glue and patch material
@Do_not_assume Жыл бұрын
What's the maximum PSI for your tyre?
@lcc83945 жыл бұрын
get ATV/motocross inner tube patches.........cost like $20 but they work
@johnnynephrite61472 жыл бұрын
OK so what? You still need the glue, where do you get it? What type glue is it?
@dantegerard704 жыл бұрын
I use those dollar store sticker, glueless patches on bmx bikes at about 80psi. Holds up to the abuse oddly enough
@viveviveka26514 жыл бұрын
Do they say on the packaging that they are for bikes, or are they those multi-purpose ones?
@Matdog2010 Жыл бұрын
Powerful!
@FreshAirRules8 ай бұрын
If thin rubber is good for patching why wouldn't bike companies that sell patch kits include that rubber instead of patches? I've always wondered why they would patch with a material that doesn't stretch like what it is patching.
@ddrusa2 ай бұрын
Does this work
@z_cycles Жыл бұрын
Will super glue work?
@hamadalsaadi38933 жыл бұрын
How milimiter thick is your tire?
@chrisandsamlivingthedream5 жыл бұрын
Nice 1 buddy ..
@omerfurtun41155 жыл бұрын
What type of glue?
@BobMaulucci5 жыл бұрын
I have used Xtra-Seal vulcanizing cement with good results. I think the Rema TipTop patch kits and glue are the best otherwise.
@leftymadrid5 жыл бұрын
I believe contact glue would be the glue to get, I will be getting a larger tube of it to have around, this idea of using an ultra lite tube is perfect, way better than using those cheap patch kits, the patch tube will stretch perfectly with inner tube
@MASH--kn1cw5 жыл бұрын
Sticky glue 👍💪
@udeshikrish5 жыл бұрын
Actually it's rubber cement
@jerydob64993 жыл бұрын
Anyone know why an airless tire for a fixed gear bike wouldnt work on a non-fixed gear bike?
@WorldwideCyclery5 жыл бұрын
Hacks for life.
@weler24914 жыл бұрын
Is it needed to put glue on the patch too?
@SirSmokeAlot88664 жыл бұрын
I would suggest that
@exoticpetkeeper3465 жыл бұрын
Are patched inner tubes safe for a race? Please answer anyone asap, race is tom.
@anelkaisgood25 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gheorghebirca4 жыл бұрын
If the hole is 1 cm in diameter, can it be patched?
@andya8575 жыл бұрын
Great stuff and advice , no glue is ready before 24 - 36 hrs. this will you a lot of aggravation..Thanxs...from Canada, nice bike...
@scorpinking74032 жыл бұрын
Can i try electric tape?
@houhou84896 ай бұрын
awesome!
@viveviveka26514 жыл бұрын
Some glueless patches are better than others. Park glueless patches are supposedly among the best. I use the Park patch kits with the glue, though. They have worked well.
@hopenavajo13914 жыл бұрын
What if you added green slime into the tube. Green slime and glue does not adhere to each other.
@jamespeck2764 жыл бұрын
I never had a patch work on a green slime tube. Ever.
@techvigator2 жыл бұрын
It's simply not worth it. The pre-glued patches are currently the best and more practical option for a tube repair. They do not require glue , they do not require to wait for the glue to dry before sticking the patch, they do not require to cut the patch and to sand it together with the tube. Last but not least, it's generally quite hard to find a highly reliable glue. If you want to repair tubes, if you want to be light during your rides, simply buy a set of pre-glued patches, put it in your backpack and forget. No additional tools required.
@richardjones28113 жыл бұрын
You don't need to remember where your inner tube was sitting if you take a reference from the valve hole 😏
@jerydob64993 жыл бұрын
No valve in tire.
@tomhenning28095 жыл бұрын
Glueless patches are garbage!
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
Not so. They're meant to be used as a quick fix on the road and for that they work great. Inflate the tube a little before putting one on. Glueless patches don't shrink and expand, and so they slough off the tube when you deflate and inflate the tube again. So when you next take out the tube expect to replace the glueless patch with a regular one.
@woduk5 жыл бұрын
Park tool patches work better I’ve found
@sheekerz5 жыл бұрын
Only branded inner tubes should be used.
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
I bought several Specialized tubes. Every one failed with a seam leak, like Denny's here. So you're not safe with some brands.
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
If you liked this you might like the KZbin episode from RJ the Bike Guy called "Fix A Flat Tire With Flex Tape? Will It Work?"
@prestonparks84715 жыл бұрын
The streachy stickers u said didnt have glue u half to put ur own glue on!
@rayanhonor68045 жыл бұрын
Once I realized I'm spending my time seeking small punctures in MTB tires. And that's the time I'd prefer to spend riding, not servicing and patching. Ever since then I use tubes with hermetic or tubeless setup for my MTB.
@littlejoe53113 жыл бұрын
Steel Wool Works
@robbiedaug3 жыл бұрын
I tried this and both patches had air coming out of the sides. I sanded and cleaned the areas with alcohol, let it dry completely. Cut the tube, sanded and cleaned it, let it dry. Applied rubber cement glue to the tube and waited til it was sticky, then i put some rubber cement on the outside of the tube-patch and clamped it overnight. Tested the tube in water and it was ok. Installed it, went for a ride, parked the bike and when i got back to the bike - flat tire. Got home checked the patches and sure enough both of them leaked. I don't know what i did wrong. When i pumped air when i got home to see how it reacted, i did see a big air bubbles under the patch form where there were none before.
@lewokejames3 жыл бұрын
"A glue" .....ok so i guess white elmers glue will work fine according to you 🤷
@Tacomayor3 жыл бұрын
maybe this should be longer??? huh?
@rcs20035 жыл бұрын
OMG 12 minutes for this 3 second content. Simply say "use a piece of inner tube instead proper patch" :D btw i like your channel and attitude
@AndrewBlucher4 жыл бұрын
Hmm. I think there is more to it; esp. applying the glue to the tube and the patch. And part of it is about doing thorough work.
@SL-pg4dh3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Some people just like to hear themselves talk.
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
@@SL-pg4dh And some curmudgeons like to be critical of even the best presentations
@wturber3 жыл бұрын
Bogus thumbnail. "No More Patches" actually means "How to Make and use your Own Patches"
@adrian22755 жыл бұрын
Metal witch you get in the pach kit is working and you obviously don't know how to use it.
@AndrewBlucher4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I haven't noticed different results for the metal scourer vs sand paper. I'm concerned the sandpaper can leave particles behind.
@dugldoo2 жыл бұрын
the metal makes a few deeper grooves instead of roughing up the whole surface lightly. As usual, Denny's right ... bright guy!