Canon 5D Mark IV vs 5DSR , which should you buy?

[@Sondercreative]

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[@kwasicorream6814]

Sonder Creative great video! This was extremely helpful. I will be following your page from now own.

[@7markieboy]

up until last week had the 5ds r and amazed by the detail in every shot. unfortunately got stolen last week with my 5dmrk2 and 4 L lenses and insurance dragging their feet so was looking at a quick replacement in the meantime. was going to get the 5dsr again then looked back at the last 20 jobs I've done and everything was used on websites including an ecommerce site at 540x540 pixels. to be honest not one client mentioned anything when going from 5dmrk2 to the 5ds r well one did he complained the files were too big ! looking back over old photos on the 5dmrk2 I'm now asking why i upgraded at all as the 5dmrk2 files still have so much detail. I do regular case studies for a client that sells door handles, hinges etc for some amazing buildings and recently went to their new office and they had completely covered one wall, about 4m x 2.5m with one of my 5dmrk2 images of an interior i did for them and it was sharp as a tack. i think we all get a bit obsessed with the number of pixels. I've been round the block from canon to hasselblad to phase one then back to canon. now considering just buying another 5dmrk2 !

[@danemusic5242]

5d Mark ii is hard to beat, the images I get from it just get better as I’ve owned it and no one complains. The extra mega pixels is great, yet if someone steals my camera I’m sure I’ll just get another 5d Mark ii.

[@jacklenetaylor6864]

How could you be so careless with your gear

[@lamlucky777]

Great info, thank you! 🙏🏼🙃

[@melodychest9020]

Best review ever of the 5DS/R hands down! You went straight for the core points about this 50MP camera. Wasn't terribly impressed with that interview but later on you killed it by yourself! You are a very clever man indeed! Congrats and best wishes.

[@gregfaris6959]

He really nailed it. I’ve been using 5DsR for a few years now, and I made that choice because I do so much aerial photography, where that high resolution really has a purpose, but the down side is definitely the noise performance of the sensor in lower light situations. This has been seen in some other very high pixel-density sensors as well, including the pricey Phase One. I am at the point where I would not actually recommend the 5DSR unless you have a specialty application like aerial or scientific photography where you really need it, or you are always shooting in perfectly controlled conditions, where you can avoid the noise. I hesitate to use it at anything above 800 ISO.

[@Herkulez1981]

”If you need to ask the question , 5d4”. - that sums it up really good

[@rewind9536]

You notice when someone is just interested in the subject and wants to share the knowledge. Good job!

[@NinhLyUK]

Great unbiased comparison brother, much appreciated!

[@MisterMaster4life]

Been a professional portrait photographer for over 18 years. Published in many magazines, websites, books and newspapers. Funny thing that I actually don't want all those details. Ultra ultra sharp camera's are not my cup of tea. If you see every red dot on the skin, every wrinkle in a face or on lips, every single hair out of place, it makes for much more effort going into post production. I have more high end camera's but most of my best shots are still being made with my 5dmark 2. Especially women are much more flattering with a softer focus. As long as the eyes are sharp i'm good. Besides, unless your photo's are being used for huge billboards, even the 5d Mark 1 and 2 are still plenty sharp. With that said, I can appreciate a good razor sharp picture, just not for portraits unless you want to accentuate wrinkles and such. So to 99%, of the buyers i would even advise the Mark 3 over the Mark 4. Keep the extra money and buy a good lens. Yes the mark 4 is better, but do you need it? If it comes down to making beautiful portraits The Mark 2 or 3 + a solid f1.4, 1.8 prime or even the brilliant L 70 200 2.8IS, will serve pretty much all your needs and more. Even in 2021. The nr1 trick to making great photo's and being published is not about owning the newest most expensive camera. Far from it. If done correctly your employers won't even notice the difference between a cheapo camera and the most expensive one. It's aIl about making beautiful pictures. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy a good camera because you should! But just remember the beauty of a picture is not in the equipment but in the photographer. Just my 2 cents. Thanks for sharing. Great video.

[@Sondercreative]

You’re absolutely right but that’s not the point of this video or what the video is about.

[@MisterMaster4life]

@@Sondercreative Thanks :). And yeah I understand it was not the point of your video. Your video is a great comparison between the 2, I get that. My comment should be seen separate from your video topic! It was ment for people in general which are looking at these sort of video's and all of a sudden think they need the most expensive of the 2 in order to make good sharp photo's. On a daily basis I see locals and tourist shooting with the most expensive camera's and lenses while all they need is a good camera phone. Extremely overkill for what they are shooting. Like driving a nascar or F1 car to the grocerie store. And their photo's still suck....😂Anyhoeee...again, great video, keep it up my friend! Always enjoy your video's.

[@rvboondocker2559]

Love my 5 DS R. Great for astrophotography, sports, wildlife, and landscapes. Use it for architecture, macro, and portrait. No complaints! I highly recommend it.

[@Sondercreative]

John P it is such an incredible camera I absolutely love using it and seeing the detail it can produce. Thank you for watching John, really appreciate it.

[@BrandonFrowen]

Low light??

[@aldobelenda907]

Nice video, great detail of the 5dsr, do you recommend it for architectural photography in 2024? I'm between the 5dsr or the sony A7 IV, the r6 mark II has less mpx than this 2 and I think it losses there.

[@Sondercreative]

Oh absolutely. I still recommend the 5DSR for architectural photography. It's one of the best cameras that Canon has produced in recent times for that kind of phootgraphy.

[@ashton108108]

I've watched allot of video comparisons today. Your video just answered (at 12:05) the annoying question Iv'e been asking myself for the past week. Great work!!

[@Sondercreative]

I'm really glad to have helped thank you so much for watching.

[@vincelowe1231]

One of the best camera reviews I've watched. Thanks so much for making the important things clear and giving great examples of both. Has definitely helped

[@coasttocoastphoto]

I had two 5DSR's and a 5D4 plus eleven of Canon's best lenses. The DSR can make some pretty high res files, especially when using a Zeiss Otus. Just hold it steady when you have good light. The 4 is more versatile with better dynamic range. I travel a lot in an RV and keep multiple cameras attached to lenses at the ready. If I were forced to only have one of the two cameras, I would take the 4. Now having said all of that, I sold all the Canon gear in 2018 for one Leica SL and a 24-90 plus a 90-280. That was a good decision as my hit rate improved as did image quality. I was also able to downsize from 3 rolling cases to 2 rolling cases. What's in the second case, you ask? My Leica S medium format camera. I've been shooting for 50 years. If I could go back to around 1980, I think I would rather have had one Leica and one lens than a couple of Nikons and multiple lenses, although my Nikonos V was a great camera.

[@mikkirurk1]

WOW

[@cr34t0red7]

thanks. after i lost my mark3. i just bought a $600 mark2 on craigslist and i've gotten some decent images out of it. but for 2 months i was debating what to buy whether mark 4 or 6d mark2, or 5dsr or even switching to sony all together. i shoot landscapes mainly and i plan to sell my prints in large sizes. so your review helped me decide! and i ordered 5dsr today! awesome!

[@junkerzn7312]

Great review! As a 5D4 owner I'd like to make a few comments. On a recent trip I actually tried to use the Wifi to backup the camera in the field, but it was a disaster. Basically the battery which would normally be good for 900 shots gives up the ghost after 250 or so. And, on top of that, when back at the camp for the evening, the wifi only runs on the 2.4 GHz band is thus is pretty slow verses just popping the card out and into a reader to copy out the pictures. So I found the wifi to be considerably less useful than I thought it would be. I didn't want to waste the battery life in the field, and it took too long to backup photos over it back at camp. So I'd call it a no-go. Just too slow. I don't own the 5DSR but on the last trip I would have liked more than 30MP. One of the other guys had a high-end Nikon, near 40MP sensor plus a 500mm prime (I had 5D4 with the 100-400mm telephoto). The combinationn of 40MP and 500mm made a huge difference verses 30MP and 400mm. But in comparing the photos closely, I think just boosting the Canon to 40MP would have made the comparison a lot closer on the shots that already had good light. Sharpness wasn't the issue, honestly. That is, ignoring the other advantages of a 500mm prime and just looking at the result in good light long distance shots. (Not all was lost, the 100-400 is a lot more mobile so I could get shots that he couldn't, but for slow-moving birds or far-away birds, he had a huge advantage). And I should say that I also own the 6D, and having 30MP in the 5M4 verses the ~20MP in the 6D was also a big step up. So I do kinda wish the 5DM4 ran 40MP. AF is really excellent for fast-moving targets. Having the low-pass filter wasn't as big a problem as I thought it would be... Canon's DLO (either in-camera or in their software) really clears up off-center focus nicely and also helps more than I thought it would with sharpness, even in the center. Particularly when I had to pull 2048-bit-wide crops out my pictures. Canon's eye detection at center-spot could use with a firmware fix, though. It tends to focus on the eyelid and not the eye. The dual-pixel AF is also excellent. The dual-pixel RAW storage feature, though, is garbage. It just isn't worth 80MByte RAW files and slower shot rate. I don't really do video so I can't comment on the 4K other than the 'Motion JPEG? Really CANON????'. There is a rumored firmware update that will fix the other complaints I've read about (crop and lack of C-LOG). That said... I'm mostly into stills for books, so... Overall, I'm happy with my 5DM4. It's a big step-up from my previous camera, the 6D (and I also have a 5D2). I still use all three. But at the same time I think Canon is still behind Nikon by at least two years and I wish they would pick up their game. I'm too invested in lens to switch. -Matt

[@superlawman2010]

Thank you, I already purchased Mark 4 over the 5dsr, so this was just to put my mind at ease.

[@mahamza86]

Another excellent comparison. Keep up the good work. Your content is so matured.

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you Hamzah, that's very kind of you to say, I'll continue trying to improve my videos.

[@munkyvision4635]

Than you so much for making this video! You provided the defining information that made me 100% comfortable & happy with my purchase of the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV.

[@Sondercreative]

I’m really glad you found my video helpful. Thank you so much for watching :-).

[@royderuijter8212]

Really enjoyed watching your video, thank you. I sold my 5D mark III last week with the thought to replace it with the mark IV until I noticed the £400 cheaper price of the 5DSR. I do macro and studio photography so 5DSR it is for me:-)

[@Sondercreative]

The 5DSR is such an amazing camera, I'm so glad you got a great deal on it. I'm sure you're gonna be able to create some amazing photos with it :). Thank you for watching and for the comment.

[@blueprintceci]

I shoot architecture HDR photography and I would like a camera that does not show too much noise after post processing. I currently own a 5DII, excellent camera but I do get noise issues sometimes. My other concern is if my apple computer would be able to process such large files when rendering 3 to 8 exposures.

[@ariesassistenza]

With 16 gb ram memory and more, the raw of 5ds r are 70/80 Mb

[@caronibalogna]

Ive been watching so many videos and reading articles about both of these and this is the best video about the vs of these two camera. I know the specs difference but you actually showed the difference between them with examples and really told the honest truth about image quality. The 5DSR has more mp but who's honestly going to need that unless your printing a billboard. Thank you sir.

[@Sondercreative]

That is so awesome of you to say, really thank you so much it means so much to me.

[@CRobbins131]

I have both cameras as well and I agree wholeheartedly with every point you made.

[@mclefferson]

thank you for presenting both sides of the argument in a way that shows that you have something to gain and something to loose with both cameras.

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you for watching Scott, I hope you found my video useful. Both cameras are fantastic performers. I really appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment.

[@mclefferson]

My style of shooting is leaning me towards the MKIV over the SR but owning both would be a dream

[@suzanx]

Should I upgrade from the 5Dii to iv? Or wait for V in 2020? I don't photog FT so I don't plan on quitting my day job to do this. I just love good gear and I do a lot of portraits and fashion modeling on the side. I don't have that kind of cash to upgrade every time a new camera comes out either and I'm not a professional but I I can take great pics. I'm probably not utilizing it to it's full potential but I'm OK with that. Thanks!

[@mmmcdaniel7]

Thank you!, This absolutely made me confident about which way I need to go. It couldn't have been more helpful! For me, it is really the 5D Mark IV, but I didn't really have all the specific info I needed. You cleared that all up.

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you so much for watching, I'm rally glad to know you found my video helpful.

[@Steglols]

Great comparison, correct me if I'm wrong here but I would say that the 5DS is less forgiving and less suited to motion where the focal point would change. The 5DS from what you've said feels like it is much less forgiving if the shot is not quite bang on. I have the 5DIV and love it. The WiFi as was mentioned is a feature I really wanted, I love having the ability to pull a photo off my camera inb the middle of what i'm shooting and send it to the person I just shot via air drop on my phone or whatsapp/wechat/what ever, people seem to really appreciate this and it adds a little bit of extra satisfaction from shooting.

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Thanks so much for this. I have gone back and forth on this. In the end I waited and got the 5D Mark IV but still often look at the 5DSR to add to my kit. I did get the 42 Megapixel Sony A7RII back awhile instead of the 5DSR because I thought I would use it for Video but that's never really happened. Also did want to try the EVF and IBIS to help focusing when using my Tilt and Shift 24 and 17 and for working with smaller primes but the extra cost of maintaining two system has gotten to be a burden so I wonder more and more about adding the 5DSR. Steve

[@WatchesAndPhotography]

Hey what was the song you used in the middle of the video at 7:00?

[@Photomeike]

Great comparison man! #subbed

[@Sondercreative]

Photomeike Wow that's so cool, thank you so much I really appreciate that.

[@Photomeike]

No problem. It's amazing how all of your videos have thousands and thousands of views. But your sub count is still so low. Like WTF! Anyways please keep up the great work!

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you that's really kind of you to say, I've been subbed to you anyway on my personal account and I properly love your vlogs.

[@Photomeike]

Thanks man!

[@philliphulley4354]

Your video has truely helped me. I was confused about megapixel monster 5dsr vs upgrade 5d iv. For an amateur the 5d iv will definitely suit me. Great video.

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you so much man that means a lot to me. I really appreciate you watching my video and I'm glad you found it useful.

[@fotochips5300]

Will you still say the same thing if 5dsr cheaper than iv?

[@alandargie7180]

Great review. It is really nice to have a review by someone that uses the cameras and LR in the real world.

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you Alan, really appreciate you watching and for the kind comment.

[@johndeehan8078]

Thanks for your help guys. I was thinking of the 5Dsr but now it will either be the 5D mk4 or 1DX mk 2

[@Yyuiop]

opening up a lens to maximum aperture is usually the worst part of the lens and a bad test condition as the alias filter is in mk4 is playing a part here. The 5DSR is a tripod camera, landscapes or studio due to the increased pixel density you will find it a lot harder to get critical focus. The Mk4 is an all rounder. Considering A3 is 3508 pixels x 4961 pixels you will see the Mk4 at 6720 x 4480 has plenty of room to crop. Unless you print really big I wouldn't get the 5Dsr, or get it as a second body. Even in landscape the mk4 has better dynamic range which will render better skys than the 5Dsr. Both great cameras as colours fantastic and the 5Dsr will save you a lot of money, but shoot more steadily with higher shutter.

[@zoiphotographer]

Hi, my curiosity did you try to set the same resolution on 5ds as the mark iv and you will see the result are very similar what you did it is not a fear comparison with two different resolution it is like the same to compare an mp3 file music vs a flac music file ... give a try and you'll be surprise ... to me the main difference between the two is on sport or fast shooting and video ...

[@Sondercreative]

It's not a relevant comparison because that's not what the cameras are for. The 5DSR is meant to be shot at 50mp and that is its advantage. The 5DSR doesn't have many other advantages over the 5DM4 aside from image quality. It would be similar to ask for a comparison where you only shoot the 5DM4 in manual because the 5DSR doesn't have dual pixel autofocus. Demonstrating each at their respective best is what make more sense to me. Also when you shoot the 5DSR at the medium RAW, the 5DM4 is noticeably sharper and more detailed. I think the compression isn't that great on the 5DSR. Thank you for the comment.

[@jimrussell426]

I shoot all aerials, have used all canon pro bodies, currently have the 1DX and have the 5dsr/w grip, don't like the small body but thinking of getting another 5dsr as as back up, I don't need all the added options the 4 offers. great video very professional, thanks for you time.

[@WakizashiSabre]

Is not sharpness issue due bigger Mpix and more demand for perfect lenses tho?

[@Sondercreative]

Waki's Den sorry do you mind explaining what you mean please?

[@WakizashiSabre]

Hello sure. If lens should render more MPix it is more demanding for a quality of the lense. It might not be the case if you use some very good FX lense on 12 24 36 Mpix but maybe is getting to its limits. 50Mpix is even more demanding. Not saying it must be the only case here as you have shown better sharpness on 5DSR later on, but surely has a role in final picture, especially if someone is printing very big. Hoping it makes sense. :)

[@Sondercreative]

Absolutely, your lens choice makes a massive difference to the images you produce. Sharpness and detail is a combination between the sensor and the lens. This is why I made sure I was using some of the best rated lenses on the market to really bring out all of the detail from both cameras.

[@Mr.Lee99]

Ya this is the truth . Now i use 5dsr in my studio the detail is very clear and i never think to switch to other brands

[@Sondercreative]

Tewin Chuachang thank you for watching :-) I agree the 5DSR aid an awesome camera.

[@HeliRy]

What about the 5DS? If I want the 50mp, without the hassle of making my clients look like hairy pimple-beasts.... seems good not to have that low pass filter, no?

[@Sondercreative]

LOL, I properly chuckled at that haha. I actually had the 5DS and really didn't enjoy using it. At that resolution the difference is noticeable and the softness looked to me like a very thin layer of grease over everything. The 5DSR has amazing clarity and moire has never been an issue for myself and many other photographers I know who shoot with it. I personally recommend against the 5DS.

[@HeliRy]

Cool, thanks for the input! So my bread and butter is landscapes and industrial sites, often shot from a helicopter. So that being said.... would you personally opt for a iv or a DSR?

[@Sondercreative]

If you know for a fact you need the extra megapixels then 5DSR. Try and avoid using cropping as a reason for the higher megapixels because a longer lens will be a better option to cropping in. If you're happy with 30mp (more than enough realistically speaking) then the mark IV is such a good camera so many extra features that make a huge difference. I would say Mark IV as the default option unless....

[@csmorgan]

Finally a good review comparing two similar cameras (the ones I'm looking into getting) I feel like the 5dsr would be great for wildlife on my 100-400 ii, I guess I'll have to wait and see, have a good day!

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you for watching :) I agree the 5DSR with the 100-400mm lens would be an amazing combination :) I hope you have a good day too.

[@christopherhowell3209]

Yes,I too enjoyed your comparison between these cameras,...but,..would upgrade from the 5d mk3 to the mk4?

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you Christopher, really appreciate that. Just to clarify are you asking me if I would upgrade from the mk3 to 4? It's a difficult one really cause comes down to a number of things and allot of individual variables. It depends on you. Personally, I was NOT going to upgrade however my mk3 stopped working so I had to replace it hence the upgrade. If my mk3 was still working I wouldn' t have upgraded. Having said that, now that I have it I do find it to be a really good camera, just wish it's video features were better lol.

[@christopherhowell3209]

I find myself doing a lot more film photography now,especially with my newly bought xpan and mamiya 7ii,...so.I think my money would better spent on film.Love your videos...and happy shooting!

[@luttekikker]

Amazing video. I am currently looking for an upgrade of my Canon Eos 6D (anything with a bit more resolution than the 20Pixel sensor of the 6D). I shoot mainly architecture on a tripod but occasionally also events. The combination of a Canon 5DSr AND a 5D-IV is probably the best actually. One for landscapes and architecture (5DSr) on a tripod and one for events handheld. But it's still a pretty amount of cash, even after 3 years of the introduction of those camera's....

[@npet6842]

5Div are down to USD1800 plus tax now . 5DS r is about USD75 less .

[@luttekikker]

I noticed that the prices here in Europe are a lot higher (3500,00 euros / $4018,00 VAT included). We are getting ripped off here lol.... tweakers.net/pricewatch/577349/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-zwart.html

[@npet6842]

That is indeed high .

[@RickMentore]

With the DSR being available for under $3000, I'll definitively get that as my new years present. Dude Osman, the accompany music is sweeeet!

[@Sondercreative]

It's an awesome camera and I'm sure you'll love it :). Music - www.patreon.com/dyalla/posts

[@PaulSafford]

Time flies fast - did you see B&H has the 5DSR on sale for $1,500 - talk about middle fingers to the customer! I'd hate to have paid full retail! Not that this is an issue with any recent cameras but the touch screen of the 5D4 is useful for navigating menus quick. I found setting up the 5DSR I kept reaching for the screen.

[@petrvokurek2286]

Thank you so much for the effort you put into making this video! I agree with your findings and think this will make life easier for a lot of people :)

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

I do agree that a higher Mpix camera will give you a sharper image, but what I'm seeing in the comparison is a difference in the DOF "slice" on the face, not a detail issue. Shoor stopped-down and you'll eliminate this, at which point you can then say which one is better. Or shoot static test charts where you can really dial in that focus. I have a 5D4 anyway, I was split between the two when it came time to upgrade and I picked the Mark IV due to the usability and the superior sensor (DR/noise -wise). 30.4Mpix will still be plenty for work, considering that the very top-end 1D (and Nikon's top-end) cameras have a piss-poor resolution in comparison and are still used by pros all over :)

[@L.Lyubomirov]

Hi Sonder...great video,one of the best i've seen in internet about 5DSR...i wanted to ask...can i make my Eos R colors look like 5DSR,i tried using Adobe DNG profile editor...almost happy,but i think is better using Xrite to match booth cameras ?What is your opinion about that ?

[@11557bexley]

I'm still undecided about these two cameras, thank you very much for this video

[@Sondercreative]

Mike Pulido You're very welcome, thank you so much for watching. They are both fantastic cameras so I'm with you, it is a bit difficult to decide between the two.

[@adrianhargan9402]

At last a decent, mature and informed review. I not sure why but I seemed to struggle when trying to get this level of detail anywhere else on youtube.

[@Sondercreative]

Adrian Hargan that's so very nice of you to say thank you very much. I hope you found it useful :-)

[@peterdrought9334]

If you/anyone in general is in need of the resolution, I'd skip the 5DSR and shoot large format with a digital back. The Mk 4 is a better camera for "most" uses. The SR adds a lot of phaff in order to gain a few pixels, while adding a lot of limitations such dynamic range, noise etc. Large format and medium format also are more difficult to use, but you get far more benefits in terms of other things, not only including the digital image quality, but also (depending on the type of camera) other things like camera controls (rise/fall, shift etc).

[@stupedrandomname]

Thanks for the video. I just ordered a 5DS and am waiting for it to arrive. When it comes to the noise factor have you tried shooting at smaller file sizes? for example, when you shoot at the medium raw format do you find the noise levels go down? I love the idea of working with the resolution but it is my expectation that I will be working in the medium raw format almost always just for convenience and speed. But having the incredible resolution is going to essentially replace my macro lens. One less thing to carry around with me.

[@Sondercreative]

I would recommend you shoot full raw and then scale down because medium raw files look muddy for some reason. In terms of noise, when you scale down a full raw file to 24mp it becomes a heck of a lot cleaner. Close to a7 III clean.

[@stupedrandomname]

@@Sondercreative Thank you very much for the tip. I downloaded the test chart shots from DP Review and was playing with them in Capture One and was amazed at how well they cleaned up just with the noise reduction. I don't usually find the noise reduction in Capture One to be that fantastic (the update has improved this immensely) but working with a high res shot it became clear that their noise reduction is geared towards there medium format camera because it was amazing. Capture One also has a real-time preview so you can check all the different formats and levels of compression very quick and I found that as you said when you drop the full 50mp down to even 36 mp it made a huge difference and essentially negated buying something from Sony or a 5D Mark IV. At least for my needs. Now I hurry up and wait LOL.

[@talkinpictures1903]

A very informative video. An honest review and makes it so easy to sum up which camera to go for! Many thanks for your words :)

[@Sondercreative]

The Vegan Channel you're too kind thank you so much for watching and for leaving an awesome comment :-).

[@deglar1]

Excellent, balanced and well-illustrated comparison review. It confirmed my thoughts on these two cameras.

[@DECKARD263354BR]

Great comparison and articulaltion of the critical factors. I currently have a 5d mkii and shoot mainly landscape, macro, travel some portrait , i want to get into commercial architecture and product and am not sure if the 5dsr resolution would be better for my shooting needs and a worthy upgrade, i dont know if i should upgrade from the Mkii or just purchase the 5dsr as a second body for specialised work ? Also i have all imaged stabilised lenses would image blur be a big issue on the 5dsr ? Btw the mkii has banding issues from iso6400 onwards, limited but accurate autofocus, inadequate resolution, im torn between the mkiv and the 5dsr and any suggestions would be great :) I miss the film days when it was purely based on skill and not mainly spec , but dslrs are so versatile these days !!!

[@mauriciolacruz]

Is it true that the 5DSR is noisier at base ISO (100) and has less dynamic range than its competitors (Pentax K-1, Nikon D850, Sony A7R, etc)?

[@Sondercreative]

Yes that’s true. It’s an older camera with older technology now soo may not stack up as well. It was a brilliant option a few years ago though. Still my main camera though :).

[@Mr.ReanuKeeves]

With the 5DSr.. does the 5DS act the same as with the R? Noise and sharpness wise?

[@Sondercreative]

Yes, the sensors are identical. The 5DSR just produces slightly sharper images.

[@Mr.ReanuKeeves]

Sonder Creative Is it more sensitive to iso 400 and above and below 150 shutter speed? Say with no tripod.. It so unforgiving like you said, I think 5d4 might be the better choice.

[@Sondercreative]

Mr. Reanu Keeves for most people the 5D4 is the better option.

[@Beaukester]

If you are zooming in 1:1 on both images why isnt the 5DSR more magnified? It is after-all 20 MORE megapixels.... Hmmm?

[@Sondercreative]

Well, that's because the framing is obviously different. People move.

[@AveDeus]

Looks like 5d4 js is a better all performance compared to 5ds, but, coming from 5d2, I wanted to get 5d4, then found out that 5ds price now is practically half of the 5d4. For all around performance, weddings, indoor party, portrait, can 5ds performs better than 5d2, or should I save more for 5d4?

[@Sondercreative]

The 5DS has better af than the 5D2 but other than resolution it doesn’t offer a great deal more. For weddings I recommend the 5D4. It’s definitely a better option even if it costs more money.

[@MrMarkx7]

Anyone got a buyers suggestion used 5dsr used is cheaper than the mark iv and secondly how does the D850 compare, also what is the better glass for each system new person in photography here

[@Sondercreative]

What do you specifically shoot or want to shoot and what do you currently use? Do you have a list of gear you currently own?

[@MrMarkx7]

Sky storms landscapes portraits some photojournalism all around shooter I don’t like the Sony even though it’s a great camera

[@Sondercreative]

mark molina if it’s Canon I’d suggest the mark IV.

[@artdellaluce]

Thank you for that truly honest opinion and testing.

[@Sondercreative]

Brian, thank you so much for watching and for the kind words.

[@markglenday7291]

Hi, first of all great video, this is the first time I have come cross your channel. However there is one question I would like to ask. That is, what is the image quality like when shooting at low light on both the 5DSR and the 5D mkiv at high iso, for example if you are shooting a wedding in church and you can not use flash, and you have to bump the iso up to 3200 or higher because it is dark, or if you are at the reception where you have poor lighting? Are you able to make a video on shooting at low light and high iso? Thank you in advance from Mark in Australia.

[@apetemt.v1406]

This is wonderful sir, you are well-done. Please I need quick response how much is the Mark 4

[@Sondercreative]

Depends where you buy it from but here are some links that might help. bhpho.to/2XQuF6X geni.us/Canon5d4

[@SauliusJukn]

i'm in the market for a camera. i shoot portraits 90% of the time. Currently i own canon 6d and some good canon glass. In most cases with proper light and lens (..say 100mm 2.8L) and i get too much of unwanted detail on the subjects even with my outdated camera. So i'm not worried about the details and i think 5dsr is not for me. however, perhaps you've dealt with 5dmk3 and know if 5dmk4 is worth the upgrade? i can buy 2x 5dmk3 (used) or 5dmk4 (new) basically for the same price. Can you give your thoughts on that maybe?

[@Sondercreative]

SauliusJukn if you don’t need all the bells and whistles and just need a “pro” level camera with two card slots just get a mark 3. It is still a very good camera and will perform exactly the same as the 5DSR but without the resolution.

[@rhykko77]

Excellent summation and observations !!! Thanks

[@tgamron]

You are 100% correct about the 5DSR. Proper technique matters.

[@genesmith4019]

Nice job. When comparing resolution and noise I think a sun-lit scene would be more revealing than shooting something in overcast shade...

[@Sondercreative]

Gene Smith hey thank you for watching, much appreciated. There’s a studio shot in there with a model I hope that was useful.

[@kaykingwang7840]

As a user updated from Canon 50D, i wanna say that 5D4 totally satisfies my requirement. Giving up my old Canon Lens set and turning to Sony camp? It´s obviously not wise even if a small adapter could solve the problem. I prefer the high resolution of 5DsR, especially for starry sky. But 5D4 can´t be really replaced under some circumstances with its wider focus range and faster focus ability. After all 5D4 is an all-round champion among its brothers(ofc except 1D series).

[@Sondercreative]

I completely agree with you. Having the 5D4 as a good all rounder camera is so incredibly useful. Although I am a fan of Sony cameras and have bought a few of theirs, it's not something I prefer using for professional work. The 1DXII is simply amazing, very pricey too.

[@npet6842]

It is impressive . That focus system on the DXII is magic

[@jessedelice]

This is very helpful. I already have the 5D and i just wanted to see if i should go with the 5D SR as my high megapixel second camera

[@nelson_para_photography]

That was a very clear and nice advice man. Thanks

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you so much for watching Nelson, much appreciated.

[@hapijulmondol2309]

Nelson Pará to no inu to

[@davidcollins4227]

Great review. How are the out of camera colours of the 5DS, saturation and contrast compared to the mrk4 and mrk3? I was wondering if they are flatter because of the higher MP sensor ? Thanks 😊

[@Sondercreative]

I find colour form the 5DSR to be noticeably better than the other 5D series cameras. Saturation tends to be about the same so not flat at all but accuracy is improved in the 5DSR.

[@mauriciolacruz]

I've read the 5DSR does have noise even at base (100) ISO. Is that true?

[@Sondercreative]

The 5DS R is no better or worse than any other camera I've shot with when exposed correctly at the base ISO. There's virtually no noise unless you're recovering shadows. Most (if not all) cameras will demonstrate some noise when you recover shadows or increase exposure in post.

[@mauriciolacruz]

@@Sondercreative Thanks! 👍🏻

Great Overview and Review! Thanks!

[@johncarnahan3428]

You can buy the Wifi card for the 5DSR for 25 dollars and it only takes up the SD card slot that most people don't use anyways. You're right, once you use the wireless you will always use it. I do envy the higher ISO range the Mark 4 has, however working with the 5DSR has made me a better technical photographer and I get comments on how tact sharp my photos and color are. When you shoot at 50 MP you enter the class of medium format cameras, even if the sensor is still smaller at full frame. Where can you buy an awesome medium format camera for 4k new and now sells for about 2.5k foreign models? Only Canon offers this and perhaps Sony does have 42 MP but Sony's is considered inferior in my opinion. Just my two cents.

[@Sondercreative]

John Carnahan the 5DSR is still my main and favourite camera man I agree :-). Thank you very much for watching.

[@PrestigePhotog]

I’m impressed! Very informative... with that said how about Canon 5d4 or Fuji gfx if you had to pick one?

[@Avidcomp]

Interesting watching this in Nov 2020. I would say today, given the closeness of the two cameras, but the exceptional deals for a used 5Ds/R. The decision just became easier.

[@张佐]

5:05 Those two spots you are comparing, the 5Dsr one is not actually in focus.

[@Sondercreative]

张佐 Yes that's is true, I was explaining my points around that and why and how. Please watch that section again for the full context and explanation.

[@张佐]

Definitely man! Keep on the good work!

[@Sondercreative]

That's so nice of you to say, thank you so much.

[@RichardFranklin1]

Thank you so much for this detailed review, massive help for my decision

[@RAJMAN181]

Wonderful comparison.Keep up the good work.☺

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you much for the awesome comment.

[@idollphaminephotography108]

nice to see another leeds shooter on here - I have the 5ds - and I agree with all your points

[@cowart216]

Great review!! appreciate your perspective!!!

[@myxsys]

Very nice comparison review. So 36MP is the sweet spot for portrait photography?

[@Sondercreative]

Depends really but that sounds like a good amount of resolution for portraits. Some people want lots more :P.

[@myxsys]

@@Sondercreative I've noted it takes more effort nailing sharpness with higher resolution sensors. Plus the additional sharpness might be less flattering

[@Sondercreative]

Michael Wanyoike actually higher resolution files can handle more sharpening than lower resolution images. You can hide a bunch of flaw behind extra resolution lol.

[@digital-fauna]

Thanks for this! I found it really useful! Canon have made it a nightmare to pick the right camera these days, but I think the 5D mkIV is the sensible choice for me!

[@Sondercreative]

Let me know which camera you prefer, also please check out these links below. www.patreon.com/user?u=5316467 sondercreative.com/blog/5dsrvs5dmk4 1drv.ms/f/s!AqMU3QFCgyGIn_o0AKogDzaRAE9GyQ

[@mahamza86]

Sonder Creative I like the 5D mark iv more. But the Canon sensor has become so much better since the 5DSR, so the 5DSR mk ii in the future would be so much interesting.

[@Sondercreative]

I agree the 5DSR mk II could be something quite special, thank you for watching my video.

[@Notme-vv4br]

Sonder Creative. I agree that the 5DSR has the edge. I owned the 5D4 for a few weeks while trying to decide between the two but ultimately sold it once I tried the 5DSR. Both cameras are incredible, but I found myself reaching for the 5DSR much more often. I don't find it less forgiving at all, in fact quite the opposite, the higher resolution allows substantial cropping in post while still retaining plenty of detail. This added ability gains me quite a bit of flexibility when shooting wildlife or when I failed to spot the perfect composition, I can take my time and really tweak it later without any real penalty. In terms of dynamic range and iso performance the difference between the two was far less than I imagined, negligible when noise reduction is properly applied. I actually prefer the "look" of the 5DSR if any noise is noticeable, as to my eyes it appears much more like fine film grain. I was shocked when I printed my first large images by just how much detail there is even at iso 3200, I have never been so excited about a new camera before, just amazing results every time.

[@Sondercreative]

Jordon Halpin I agree with you, I genuinely love using the 5DSR and properly love seeing the all of the detail too. Cropping is also a very useful tool as you mentioned when it comes composition. Sometimes I'll shoot something and then in post see a better comp and this camera gives allot of leeway. Thank you so much for watching my video and leaving the comment.

[@RayValdezPhotography]

it is less forgiving. if you move while taking a photo the image is way blurrier at a pixel level than my 5d mark III. I had a mkiv but didnt do any real comparisons like I did bewteen the sr and mark 3

[@GcjBoo]

I am so confused... I don't know if I should buy a canon 6dmii, 7dmii , 5dmVI, OR A 1Dmii :( am a producer so I do make video vloggs but O also film short films, events ( differential types of events) music videos and also photography... HELP ( I ALSO WANT to buy a camera that will last like not a very old version u know what I mean? Am afraid to buy the 1d for example and suddenly after 3 months there's a new version)

[@Sondercreative]

Gcj Boo if you have the budget and need something super reliable with amazing video quality I’d go for the 1DX Mark II. Alternatively consider a Sony camera like the A73 or the A7R3 Having said that why not look at a dedicated cine camera like the C200 for all your proper pro work and then a Canon M50 or a canon SL2 for vlogging and small scales stuff.

[@longstaffemedia]

Great film and I need to get to Leeds soon. So here is how I use Canon. Since 2006 I have used Canon 1DsMKIII and 7DMKII as its side kick with film all over UK and EU for commercial clients, I have sold and printed prints up to 30ft x 20ft and nobody ever complained. I have moved onto 5DIII amazing camera, 5DIV just great for everything and the EOS R for film and 10 bit recording for TV with my C300MKII both 4k 10bit. I sold the 5Div after a year and bought the 5DsR for DPS magazine shoots and it does the business, in fact I bought the 5Ds and had it for 2 magazine shoots and replaced it for the 5DsR. If you want a camera that can do everything almost perfect then the 5Div is the one, If you want dynamic range then EOSR delivers in spades, I use it on a Ronin gimble for magazine TV channels with the C300 MKII as unit one camera. What you say here is so right, with the 5ds R if you nail focus you nail perfection, if you slightly off the mark then you are never going to fix it. The EOS R is more a camera to use for either film or stills but switching between the two a full pro standard can leave you with ‘I wish I had used something else’ like 5DIV or 5DsR. So, I will leave you with this, the 5DsR Is a full pro photographers’ camera and when its goo its fantastic.

[@stephen7627]

nice rev's , considering 5dsr has 20mpx more and no aa filter , the mk4 seems to be holding pretty good , u should try and use the digital image optimizer, i think it rises the sharpness and detail , although u need to wait 3 sec for the camera to process. and as comparing to mirrorles camera ( since it's quite the hype right now ), to me right now if there is a reason for me to switch is because of the tilting screen , it makes my work so much easier , esp low angle situation

[@Sondercreative]

I agree the Mark IV does a great job holding up the 5DSR it is a good camera. Mirrorless cameras do have a few things to update and I think once that's done they could start to overtake DSLRs quite quickly. Thank you for watching my video and leaving the comment.

[@Twobarpsi]

I'm looking to buy a 5DMK4 here in 2023! I considered the 5DR but the more reviews I watch, the more I realize it is not for me.

[@bearlemley]

I bought both, problem solved. I find that I use the 5DSR in the studio more than the 5D4. If I am traveling with one body, I take the 5DSR

[@Sondercreative]

test two problem solved indeed. Very happy for you I’m sure you’ll enjoy using both cameras. Thank you for the comment :-).

[@bearlemley]

Sonder Creative, yes thank you I have been as I have owned them both sense their release. Of course they are not as important as recognizing and composing a great short or even a great lens, but they are both great tools. I’m getting more and more call for video work. The 5D4 seems to work except for clients expectations for what equipment should look like. But it is working for the corporate video that I have been shooting and editing. Thank you for your video, it’s alway good to review some the equipment you already have and the work flow that others follow.

[@Tomaschhh-k5z]

Hi Sonder creative, thanks for the wonderful review! Is there any difference in the liveview resolution when you're using a Camranger?

[@Sondercreative]

I haven’t compared them explicitly but they look about the same to me. Thank you so much for watching, much appreciated.

[@Tomaschhh-k5z]

@@Sondercreative thank you for the quick response! I hope camranger 2 will improve the resolution. At the moment it's just horrific.

[@Sondercreative]

xXshishamastaXx I don’t think the CamRanger will because the resolution is a direct feed from the camera. It’s limited by the cameras screen resolution.

[@patricktaylor8657]

I'm curious if you've tried the 5DSR with a really long lens (for example 500 or 600) ? Potentially interested in pairing it with 600/4 and a 1.4x tele. This combination has worked well with the 1DX. Also this question is open to anyone who has tried 5DSR with extra long lenses ( > 400). Good video!

[@Sondercreative]

Patrick Taylor I haven’t unfortunately, the longest lens I own is a 135mm most of what I shoot I need wider lenses. I will say that if it works well with the 1DX then it should work the same if not slightly better with the 5DSR. Also due to the resolution you’ll significantly more detailed images

[@garryb4072]

Once again, a very informative video! I'm pretty firmly tied up with MFT at the moment, but besides photographing a little bit of everything, I also go in for tracking mount type astrophotography,so I'd go with the mark IV: anything I have to adjust on a camera during the day is always worse at under a dark sky with no light, and the mark IV seems to be a more flexible choice in that respect. Already looking forward to your next video!

[@Sondercreative]

Garryb thank you again for such a lovely comment, I look forward to seeing them now. MFT cameras these days are amazing, I think they could hold a large portion of the market very soon. If you're ever around Leeds, please let me know we can grab a coffee and talk cameras.

[@WvlfWar]

By far the best review and thoughts resolving video.Thank you bro. ;)

[@ChrystianGuy]

Thank you for this great comparison video. I needed that!

[@Sondercreative]

You're very welcome, thank you so much for watching.

[@angelathomas2117]

Hi love your video I have the Sony A7Rii but was always a Canon shooter & thinking about going back to Canon looking at the 5DSR what a your thoughts.

[@Sondercreative]

Depends on the kind of work you do. Personally I still only use the 5DSR for most of my commercial work and the Sony cameras I have like the a7RIII I only really use as a backup or I use it for video. The reason is purely due to Canons tilt-shift lenses and how they work best on native cameras like the 5DSR. Adapting tilt-shift lenses generally gives you softer corners on the Sony camera. Based on what you shoot you may be better off upgrading to the Sony a7RIII and use Sony native lenses. Also depends on your current lens line-up and how financially effective it will be for you to switch. The Sony camera is better in almost every way but for me, lenses make more of a difference that's why I continue with Canon for most of my proper work.

[@angelathomas2117]

@@Sondercreative Hi thanks for getting back to me. I mainly do landscapes just have a pull towards Canon now. I will give it some thought :-)

[@ChrizLizt]

Did I hear wrong or did you say the 5Ds pics up more detail compared to the Mkiv? The reason the mkiv did not pick up more detail is because it was not in focus to the compared area of the face. Yes the 5ds has more detail but your example is completely wrong.

[@subirt99]

Nice Comparison , Have you connected Mark vi with your laptop ?

[@Sondercreative]

Thank you for the comment. Yes I have tethered with it previously and USB 3.0 does make things a tonne better.

[@rafograph]

Really great review man.

[@williammetzgar6563]

Dude this was seriously helpful!

[@Sondercreative]

William Metzgar thank you so much man I really appreciate that.

[@kanehi]

Isn't the noise coming from post processing and not from the original image? Seems like the 5DSR is not a very forgiving camera and will magnify flaws more readily

[@Sondercreative]

The 5DSR will produce noisier images even without post-processing involved. I agree it is a far less forgiving camera. Thank you for the comment.

[@iranian11]

Thank you Sonder! You helped me make my decision!

[@Sondercreative]

You’re welcome, it’s a pleasure and thank you for watching.

[@barel9629]

hi friend im from korean i need u suggestions cannon eos r or canon 5d mark iv.for fotograpy.