Canon 80D vs RP....REALLY CANON?

[@madjoints]

Tom cruise called...

[@divyamsharma9273]

More like combination of tom cruise x avicii

[@cameralabs]

Interesting video Ben, and thanks for the shout-out... it's frustrating that the 1080p options disappear when you mount an EF-S lens to the RP, but the bigger issue is that you're no longer using the full area of the sensor. When you mount an EF-S lens, it enters into a cropped mode and acts as if it had an APSC sensor - so there's no benefit over an APSC camera, like the 80D. There will only be a benefit to a full-frame sensor over a cropped one if you use all of it, which means using EF or RF lenses. Of course as you pointed out, that means APSC owners like you would have to swap the body AND the lenses in order to enjoy the full-frame benefit, at which point you might well ask, why not switch to a different full;-frame system, like Sony. I feel the RP only makes sense if you have a collection of mostly EF lenses, not EF-S lenses.

[@thelifeofjools8384]

Well put. I was lucky enough to heed the warnings of other seasoned photographers when I decided to buy into Canon about 10 years ago. Eventually many enthusiasts will end up buying full frame....so all this expense is spared if you buy FF lenses from the start. Having said that, I've just bought an 80D to compliment my 6D...and give further reach. Do you know of any ef-s lenses that would be a better purchase (In terms of image quality/sharpness/micro contrast) than a similar ef lens ?

[@cameralabs]

@@thelifeofjools8384 one of the most infuriating things is Canon never made an EF-S lens of L-specifications, because L is for full-frame only. So none of the EF-S lenses have weather sealing or their best designs. The exception which Ben points out is that the STM motors on most of their EF-S zooms are very smooth and quiet, making them ideal for video use, more so than standard USM motors (albeit not the nano-USM models which do both well). But video focusing aside, I can't think of an EF-S lens which out-performs the best EF models. But obviously if you want really wide coverage to counteract the crop sensor, then you'll get it cheaper, smaller and lighter in the EF-S mount. As a PS, I'd mention Sigma has several amazing lenses designed for APSC bodies.

[@oneeyedphotographer]

@@cameralabs Both Nikon and Canon want people to buy into their FF cameras. Providing a range of premium APS-C lenses discourages that. I suspect that there are technical reasons Canon crops 4K, and why Canon hasn't done it to pundits' expectations. Heat generation would be one, from my reading it's not just Sony cameras that get hot. In the time since I got seriously into digital photography, Canon hasn't had a recall that I've heard of. Its cameras work, apart from some minor firmware problems. Ok, the original M wasn't great. Nikon has had dodgy shutters, oil spots, a failed mirrorless system and no good mirrorless cameras at all, up to the Zed system. Sony had, maybe still has, poor support, poor weather sealing, for year people joked "Another week, another Alpha 7," overheating.

[@thelifeofjools8384]

Gordon Laing Much appreciated, thanks ! I was wondering about the lack of L quality on ef-s....Yeah it's a super wide lens that I need for the crop sensor....Cheers, I'll check out the Sigma offerings. 👍

[@cameralabs]

@@oneeyedphotographer I agree about the reliability aspect. Cann may lack some f the features of Sony but they rarely if ever overheat or have battery issues. Sony is getting better at managing this though now.

[@DimaPavlenko]

80D has 24 fps when you switch between PAL/NTSC in the settings ("Video system" parameter in video mode, in the 3rd page of the last menu tab). One gives you 25/50fps while the other 24/30/60fps.

[@saltlakemusicvideos3267]

That's right. And I'm wondering if my pal here missed and option where the old lenses ain't grey'd out on options with old lens on the rp like he mentioned.because,that's why I'm watching this video,to upgrade 80d to the rp because of full frame and 4k.but I'm not sure now because of my older l lenses

[@benharveyphotography]

The RP did get a firmware update after I made this video - which allows for 24fps. The RP and The R (which I use) both shoot 4K but there is still a massive crop on it. I would recommend the RP or the R for shooting 4K for that reason. If 4K is a requirement I would look at the R6 if you are sticking in the Canon ecosystem.

[@suyash_m4]

Firstly Thanks, Which one would you suggest for Landscapes & Portraits photography .? Canon RP / 80D / 90d or any other in similar price range...?

[@benharveyphotography]

Hi Timeto, out of these three cameras I would go with the RP, since it is full frame, which will get you the highest quality for landscapes and portraits. It will also allow you to put on EF, EF-S and RF mount lenses. DSLR days are numbered and probably won’t be supported much longer. I have owned DSLR’s for the last ten years, but even Canon have stopped making EF lenses.

[@suyash_m4]

@@benharveyphotographyI want RP too..bt now I'm confused with EFS lenses.. I'm mostly looking for 10-18mm and 55-2500mm lens, these are cheaper lense, which i can afford. & I want to shoot mostly Landscapes & Portraits still photographes, Please tell can i use efs lenses without any such serious problem hsing mount adopter..? Thanks a lot

[@anaisurdaz3774]

This was really helpful. Thank you.

[@ahmedhasan6389]

dude .. stop talking about sony please .. i wanna see the rp vs 80 d

[@edwardpotapoff3347]

Thank you so much, Ben! You just saved me 2K and a hell lot of my time. I am in exactly same boat. I already have 80D with my efs lenses BUT if I am not able to use them, it is a deal braker for me. Like & subscription.

[@benharveyphotography]

Hi Edward, since making this video I invested in the Eos R (I think I made a video about that). Since it is 2020 there are impending camera releases from Canon, which will drop the price of the cameras. Although the Eos RP didn’t come out looking great in the video of mine (in terms of video spec) the EOS R is a great camera. I have used it on a weekly basis and have done so for nearly a year now. But I rarely use it with my EFS lenses, as it crops in and isn’t really benefitting from being a full frame camera if it does that. The EOSR has a cropped mode built in, should you want to shoot HD It gives you a 1.6 zoom for video. Send me an email or other of you want to ask specific questions about lenses and compatibility. Note that Canon also support 24fps since I made this video.

[@edwardpotapoff3347]

@@benharveyphotography Thank you Ben for your response. A couple of more questions: 1. I assume that in low light EOS R is much much better than 80D due to full frame. Am I correct? 2. What lenses do you use most on your EOS R for video and how is the quality?

[@TheFandangovideoguy]

so...what's the upgrade to the 80d when it comes to video? The RP is not an option as the RP has so many limitations...I have a 70d and tons of good APS-C lenses...darn Canon...is the 90d a good option? Like you I want better low light video performance, (better than 70d/80d even if not at the level of the Sony a7iii), better 1080p footage (the world is still watching 1080p!) ...is this too much to ask? I'm testing a Sony a6400 and is great with a Sigma 16mm f1.4 and I use it BUT using my old Canon 70d is more fun and easier...the footage is pleasant..ok soft but pleasant...low light sucks even with a Sigma f 1.8... unless a major upgrade is done to the RP this is not a good camera for video..is the R better? which Canon camera then? I just want to continue to enjoy my APS-C lenses! Thanks for the video!

[@benharveyphotography]

Hi Erick, I have since this video posted a video called gear vs creativity. You will see that I ended up getting the EOS R. This takes EF, EF-S and their new mirrorless lenses, which gives a lot of flexibility. Note that EF-s lenses will force the camera into a cropped mode for stills, but for video that is just fine. The EOS R is definitely an upgrade to the 70/80D, even my old 5Dmk2 was better video quality, but now you have face and eye detection, plus amazing low light and all of the features that the 5d4 has; and you will quickly adapt to teh new features as a long term Canon user. I had the 90D in my hands last week, as Gordan Laing is testing it, so check out cameralabs YT channel for the review of that for video. In terms of lenses, yes if you go full frame there are no stabilised wide lenses that have STM quiet focusing capabilities, but with the right shotgun mic the 16-35 f2.8 I finf is my go to vlogging/video lens, then the 24-105 f4 is. I have kept my 24mm pancake EFS lens, and and the 10-18mm to use on the EOS R. Does this answer any of your question?

[@TheMezaFamily]

I have a question: I’m thinking of buying the EOS R BUT I want to use my lenes from my canon 80d... I know the R is a full frame and the 80D is not! It’s possible that I will need some sort of adapter, if so, will I lose any resolution or clarity when shooting video if I use a adapter? Thanks in advance!

[@benharveyphotography]

Hello. You will need to make sure that the adaptor (which there is only one, which adaptor R-mount to EF & EF-S lenses) is included in the bundle that you buy, or you buy it separately. For video and stills note that the camera will crop in when you put a cropped sensor lens on. This is fine for video, as you can still get the same resolution (1080/4K) out of the sensor (it just used the pixels in the centre of the sensor), however for stills that means you are going to lose resolution, which is not good and it is not something that I would do. It doesn't mean that you need to spend a load of money to get good quality images out of the EOS R though, you could mount the Canon 50mm F1.8 STM on it and that is full frame.

[@TheMezaFamily]

Ben Harvey Photography thank you so much... I just didn’t want to throw out my 80D lens... is there a lens equivalent to the 10-22 canon lens on the ESO-R? I like the 10-22 on the 80D because when I vlog with it, it give me the perfect wide angle look. I’m afraid to switch to the ESO R and not have a lens that can get that same or similar wide angle look. By the way, does the ESO R have 120 FPS with AUTO FOCUS? Or am I just better off with the Canon 90D?

[@benharveyphotography]

Hello. The Eos R only has 50/60fps in HD, the 120fps is 720p! I use the 16-35f2.8 on my Eos R, there is also the native 15-35 Canon RF lens which I hope to get my hands on soon. This is stabilised but because it is new it is very expensive!

[@RichieColemanSr]

Did Canon release a software update for the RP?

[@benharveyphotography]

Hello. This video was made a few years ago, the answer is yes. Canon definitely released a firmware update that fixed a lot of the frame rate limitations of the camera. Beyond that I am not sure, as the RP that I had in this video went back to Canon and I haven’t held one since.

[@RichieColemanSr]

@@benharveyphotography Thank you

[@zak1dqcrj263]

Great video and information. Do you think there is actually some technical problems so they disable those features? BTW, I suggest stop spinning the camera when you are talking 😂, 1st it is shaky, 2nd it is distracting.

[@benharveyphotography]

I think it is typical Canon. If you want full frame mirrorless with all of the features then buy the Eos R. Sorry for spinning camera, I agree - it is worse for me because I have to match it multiple times when I edit it!

[@rjkral]

I heard the crop lenses cause vignetting on the full frame sensor so that’s why you don’t get the full HD with them.

[@benharveyphotography]

Robert J - yes this is true, which is why you get the crop, but unfortunately Canon have removed features when you put an EF-S lens on, not just added a crop. That is what is frustrating a lot of people.

[@rjkral]

Ben Harvey Photography currently and I shift in and out of this day to day(!!) in my Sony vs Canon battle of their features and who gets my cash for next camera, what I’m really seeing a lot is Canon is frustrating folks and crippling features, holding back etc whilst Sony, though more expensive considering lenses, is giving customers what they want

[@benharveyphotography]

Robert J The Sony A7iii is both cheaper and far superior in specs than the Canon Eos R. But Canon are the only full frame cameras with a fully articulating screen, so they have me by the nuts! I don’t think that using the app on my iphone to see what I am filming or lugging around an external screen is portable solution for my needs. So if you don’t need to film yourself, the Sony is the winner. BUT their lenses are more expensive, consider which lenses you need and whether the you want to switch systems.

[@weeally46]

The 80d will shoot 1080p 60, still ok for slow motion.

[@benharveyphotography]

I know, and it is pretty good - with audio and continuous autofocus as you would expect from normal frame rate. It would just be nice for Canon to put in 100/120fps in 1080, maybe not the same codec at the 1DX - but give us something!

[@christopherpackart]

My 80D shoots 24pfs.

[@benharveyphotography]

Christopher Pack Art Magic lantern?

[@christopherpackart]

@@benharveyphotography No. It comes standard in the camera. That's why people had issues with the RP not having 24fps full hd as it has been a staple in Canon cameras. My old t2i does 24fps 1080p.

[@benharveyphotography]

Christopher Pack Art - interesting, I was aware that my 5D mk2 and 5D mk3 shot in 24 FPS, but I had never seen in on my 80D. That’s embarrassing for Canon then, the RP is a step backwards for video. The 80D has completely changed the way that I create videos - so glad that I got one.

[@DimaPavlenko]

@@benharveyphotography You need to switch between PAL and NTSC in the settings (or whatever those are called) that's how you get 24/60 vs 25/50.

[@benharveyphotography]

@@DimaPavlenko Thanks - I wasn't aware of that.

[@krejn]

Investing in EF-S lenses is a path that leads to misery and sadness. The whole point of canon ef-s is to try out photography, see if you actually like it before investing in a full frame body and maybe eventually L lenses - I don't understand why you would keep buying ef-s glass as I've read many commenters have in this video. If you have a crop sensor camera, whether it be a t6i or a 7dmkii or a 90d, if you're taking it serious, you're definitely buying the 16-35 maybe some primes to just going the classic 24-105 route and just dealing with the crop until you purchase a full frame body.

[@runnergy]

Why would you use EF-S lenses on a full frame camera. Aren’t you gonna a shadow around the edges?

[@benharveyphotography]

@rRUNNERGY - it is a good question, why take lenses that were made from one sensor size and use it on another. The answer is that Canon only make one full frame lens that had silent focusing and image stabilisation, released at the same time as the 6D mk2. I don’t own this lens, because 24-105 on a cropped sensor camera (80D) is a bit of a weird focal range. So you are stuck with EF-S lenses for filming yourself with autofocus and stabilisation. The EF lenses just have too much glass to move when focusing and you can hear it when filming, unless you are very careful. The other advantaged is that they are relatively cheap and light-weight. It depends what your needs are.

[@runnergy]

Ben Harvey Photography I went with the RP. So far I love it. Also found out Canon has offices near me with free classes. Really cool. If could just get my mic to work on it.

[@benharveyphotography]

RUNNERGY - which mic are you trying to use with it?

[@jeffrobins5200]

Ben Harvey Photography they were really nice at the Canon office. After class they explained to me some mics including mine have a trigger for cell phones. So I need to get a mic designed for cameras. All fixed. Thank you for responding as well.

[@markt1758]

Totally agree with the lens issue I’m a stills photographer and I find it frustrating that I need to buy new lenses to unlock all this new cameras features,yes I know all about the adaptor ring but that’s not the point, thousands of dollars and I can’t properly use the camera. Been using canon since 1984 and I feel you have dropped the ball on this one

[@benharveyphotography]

I wasn't there when Canon switched their mounts many decades ago, but this might be a similar situation. But Nikon's new mount seems to be bringing benefit by larger aperture lenses, Canon's just seems to be a new mount slightly closer to the sensor? @Gordon Laing Is there any benefit in Canon's RF mount over the EF?

[@markshirley01]

What about slow motion with your efs lenses.

[@benharveyphotography]

Mark Shirley - I am not sure what your question related to. The 80D or the Eos RP?

[@markshirley01]

@@benharveyphotography Ben - the RP. Does EFS lenses give you 60fps.

[@benharveyphotography]

Mark Shirley - I don’t think the NTSC settings were effected, but over the water (PAL land) we use 24, 25 and 50 FPS and these are all greyed out when you put an EF-S lens on, which I showed in my video. If you shot an entire video in 30fps then it could work, but typically I mix the footage from multiple cameras, and the rest are set to 25fps. The point is, if the camera can shoot 30 and 60 FPS, it is technically less demanding to do 24, 25 and 50fps - so it makes no sense to remove it!

[@markshirley01]

@@benharveyphotography Oh right - thanks - sorry I only just got the chance to get to the end of your video. The RP would have been a fantastic light gimbal camera with lightweight EFS lenses - but Canon seem to have a death wish sales wise. 😁

[@maciekzmijewski1281]

Good video. BTW, don't you think that Canon has a weird way to develop their cameras, it's like 2 steps forward and one step backwards, almost every time. 5Dmk4 is great but 4k crop, 6Dmk2 has a flippy screen but autofocus from 80D and poor dynamic range (worse than 6D), even EOS M had some silly drawbacks. I love Canon printers and lenses, but Sigma Art and Tamron are getting close, so I'm not sure if that's a smart move to rely on users lockup in the system.

[@benharveyphotography]

Maciek Zmijewski I agree, they make some funny decisions. That is why you need to do your research before buying a camera, because the RP looks like a great camera at the outset, but then you find out what is happening under the bonnet! I think Sigma art lenses out perform Canon L-series lenses in some instances. My Sigma art 18-35 f1.8 is amazing. Heavy but amazing. If you want an independent review, check out Gordon’s channel at Cameralabs.com

[@tekguyphoto]

aaahhh me too - I'm annoyed to but I'm slowly getting over it. Been with Canon since 2000 so yes loyal. Did try A73 with 2 Sony lenses for about 6 months but eventually stayed with Canon.

[@benharveyphotography]

I think that I am one of the few people that switch between brands for different purposes on a daily basis (I am lucky that I didn't have to sell one to buy the other). I typically use my Canon for shooting landscapes and architecture, something weather-tight and robust, and shooting everyday vlogs. When I am filming someone else, need slow motion or portraits that require a higher frame rate then I will use the Sony. I can use the Canon in the dark, the Sony is a bit trickier, but I am getting better at it. The Sony is a bit too small in the hand but because it has zebra stripes and excellent autofocus - my 6 year old has actually filmed me with it!

[@lomarvgc1580]

I saw a 80d today at the agriculture fair

[@stevepa999]

When you use an ef-s lens on the RP, you are turning your full frame camera into a crop sensor camera with an effective MP of 11 Why would anyone want to upgrade to the RP and still use ef-s lenses? Even if you could use your crop sensor lenses, there is no reason to upgrade.

[@benharveyphotography]

stevepa999 - for stills I wouldn’t use EF-S lenses, I have high standards and love pixel peeping. This video is about vlogging or general video work, where the lenses are less important because they only need to resolve 1920x1080 which is about 2 megapixels. For stills I want glass so sharp that you can cut yourself on it :-)

[@KevinNordstrom]

I ki da agree. It drops the mp from 26 to 11. Even less than 24mp on a crop. But with the adapter it does allow to use the efs lenses in order to save for mirrorless lenses witch I think there's only a few out and they are around 1k or more in price.

[@thelifeofjools8384]

I sympathise :( looking long term though....I'd either sell the ef-s lenses and buy ef, if you prefer dslr. But to be honest, if you're a fan of mirrorless...(I'm not, but it's looking like the future) then the canon lenses for mirrorless are looking pretty good so far....the 50mm 1.2 is said to be unrivalled. I'm too old to be gearing up for mirrorless....but if I were younger like you, I'd have it in the back of my mind for sure. Cool vid - swing in the chair all you want ....jeez people are so critical ! All the best....J

[@oneeyedphotographer]

I've just bought into micro four thirds because I'm old. It's just another camera.

[@alextrevino9804]

Bro I had to look at the title a second time. He kept bringing up Sony... like what?

[@benharveyphotography]

Alex Trevino I can see how that would confuse, especially at the beginning of the video. The problem is, that to include my Canon 80D in the shot I had to use my Sony to film myself, and that is not as relaxing as it should be. First world problems...I know.

[@ColinRobertson_LLAP]

The redacted video options are truly baffling. If it was just a mirrorless 6D II with cropped 4k, then I think people would have been over the moon.

[@benharveyphotography]

Agreed, I would love to hear the justification from Canon. Ironically I shot the back of the Canon screen sequence on my iphone which shoots 24fps in 4k!

[@riteshmallik4939]

woww,.you look so much like Tom Cruise esp in the later part of the video

[@NadirOnTheGo]

80D def shoots 24 fps along with 30, 50 and 60. What are you talking about

[@benharveyphotography]

Hey Tintin - the 80D only shows the 24fps when you switch it to NTSC which I have never done because I am in Europe. The RP at the time of filming also didn’t offer 24fps but they addressed that with an update. My other Canons show 24fps in the PAL menus.

[@alexbormanbou]

80d DOES shoot 24P

[@benharveyphotography]

Alejandro Bohorquez - someone else has pointed that out. You have to change video region to see the 24fps, which I have never done on this camera as I am in the UK. On other cameras 24fps is just there in the menu settings.

[@alexbormanbou]

@@benharveyphotography you can also get 10 extra slow motion frames if you use ntsc parameters (60 vs 50)

[@lomarvgc1580]

If you just want vloging get get a m50 and the a7iii would be the perfect big boy camera

[@levanabrzeni]

what about studio photography and low light video?

[@benharveyphotography]

Lomar Yearwood - I already own EF-S and EF lenses, I don’t want to start buying more lenses for the M-system! I am trying to carry less gear :-)

[@iurip.a.7104]

@@benharveyphotography just buy a adapter with speedbooster 0.7x with good af

[@maciekzmijewski1281]

I'm also loyal to Canon and frustrated. I spent a fortune for redundant cameras and lenses since the film era, plus speedlights and printers. It's really annoying that Canon acts against their customer base. Sony has made some mistakes in the past (poor battery, overheating) but at least they are trying to satisfy their clients and they made a huge progress. Same with FujiFilm, they improve their cameras even after release by adding new features in the firmware, while Canon only fix some minor issues at best and charge for other (c-log for 5Dmk4). Instead of innovating and improving new cameras they introduce some very small incremental changes, lagging few years behind their competitors. And it's not that we didn't tell them what we want, it's not that technology isn't there yet, it's by design, like they afraid to cannibalise their pro systems if they give us too much and that's simply wrong, because competition is growing and we can keep our glass using adapters. RP is a ridiculous example of their practice of over promise and under deliver by artificially crippling technology. It seams they care about their shareholders more than clients. Sad.

[@benharveyphotography]

Maciek Zmijewski And that is why Canon’s sales are down in the first quarter of 2019...

[@suluzhankokbayeva6097]

Ok

[@Akket85]

why is the video quality so bad?

[@MrPixelution]

Edge of tomorrow

[@rafyta7]

All I wanted a couple years ago was a 70D with 4K and instead I had to move to Sony, thank you Canon for fucking up so bad! I wouldn't have moved to a system that works a lot better for me.

[@benharveyphotography]

They are a few years behind, especially since there new mirrorless offerings are actually old sensors. If I good money on the latest model of car and found out that it had an engine that was a few years old from an older model I wouldn't be happy.

[@yuxia5989]

the whole video is out of focus...pretty hard to watch...

[@benharveyphotography]

I think you need glasses. There are over a hundred cuts in the video, different compositions, different cameras and different lenses, even some stock footage. It’s not out of focus.