Canon EOS 6D Mark II | Dynamic Range Examination | 4K

[@doctorlovera]

If anyone have a hated 6d mk II, I´d gladly accept it with her flaws, because i think it is a great and desirable camera and It´d be a great step forward from my SL1, that i already love. BTW great video as always. And greetings from Bogota, Colombia.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I agree that it is a nice camera. This is examining one of its weaker areas, but there are a lot of strengths.

[@michaelperdikakis1388]

Dustin, thanks a lot for your thorough presentation, which moderates the "doom and gloom" prophecies from the Cassandras of the web, many of whom haven't even touched the new camera. I would like to kindly ask your opinion: Is it worth upgrading from the original 6D or the 5D Mark III? I would love to know what the actual comparison 6D Mark II versus original 6D really is. Does the Canon 6D Mark II at least maintain the same image quality as 6D, or is it worse? If there are differences here and there within the ISO range, are they striking or does one need a magnifying glass to spot them in the RAW files? I do have both the 6D and 5D Mark III. As they are both 2012 models and getting on now, I am thinking of part-exchanging one of them for the 6D Mark II, more likely with the 5D Mark III but it is not an easy decision: The 6D image quality and smoothness are simply superb. On the other hand, the 5D Mark III is a robust camera and with the dual card feature it gives you a little reassurance on data protection. Of course, the extra 4 and 6 megapixels you get from the 6D Mark II are useful in certain cases, while the articulated screen, Dual Pixel Focus and upgraded WiFi are also very attractive features. So, something might have to give... 6D or 5D Mark III? Before you tell me "It depends what you are after", let me explain: I don't care about videos in the least. I shoot a lot in awkward and harsh lighting environments, having to push details from shadows and similarly bring up highlights, these being landscapes, sunsets and long exposures at night. I know how to correctly expose photos and don't just hit the button at any ISO hoping Lightroom will get me out of jail. I don't do sports but I might shoot the odd bird in flight. I frequently shoot with the camera placed low down or at awkward angles, so the flip-out and articulated screen is a great bonus. In your opinion, are there any out-of-the-ordinary flaws in the 6D Mark II sensor (Dynamic Range, alleged magenta cast, excessive noise at higher ISOs) that would hold me back and tell me "Stick with the 6D and the 5D Mark III"? I understand that five years of wait had placed great expectations on the new sensor and reports from various camera labs don't do Canon's reputation any favours, but what does your hands-on experience to date tell you? The 6D Mark II is something I was looking forward to, having experienced the lovely feel of its predecessor, so your honest, as ever, opinion would be welcome. Thanks a lot, Michael

[@sm6993]

Hey, I also have the 100d/sl1 and bought the 6d MK II today. :)

[@mathias12345678]

Aaaah ... no! I keep my 6d Mk II, sorry! Of course I made a big step last year - I upgraded from Canon's 500 D. Yes, I know. Don't say something ... At least in the end the photographer makes the picture but the 6d Mk II has really nice features! I love them!

[@NGC1433]

I recently got 6D the first generation. And although I am in so much pain because of the fixed screen(I upgraded from 60D and got so attached to being able to flip out and adjust the angle of the screen) I am not upgrading to 6D MK2, screw that. I better wait couple years more till I can afford/justify EOS R.

[@JeffStarr]

You make the best camera gear reviews on KZbin, without question. This is incredibly helpful.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's great feedback. Thank you!

[@nunya7027]

I'm sure there are plenty of others enjoying this camera, but it seems like the youtube reviews are being targeted as an easy spot for the detractors to vent their anger about not having all of the goodies of a $3,500 camera placed in this release. I've just never seen people compare the release of this camera with in Canon's lineup one costing much more. I was taken aback in the early reviews when people started to complain about the dual card slots and the joystick, that they somehow expected to be in this follow up to the 6D that had none of those features. It puzzled me as to why everyone thought they were going to get these features added on to this release. This camera is a wonderful performer when you look at the upgrades it got from the original 6D. I mean really! The added frames per second, coming in at 6.5 over 4.5 is really huge in terms of ponying up to the game for a faster action camera. If you think about it, that's almost a 50% increase! I have seen no one mention that in the comments for any of the review. They all just bust chops over the DR issue. I understand the frustration with that issue, but that seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back before they even saddled up This camera also added Dual Pixel auto focus. That is also nothing to sneeze at either. The 6D was severely lacking in that arena, with the 9 points of focus with just the middle one being cross type. Canon upgraded that to 45 with ALL of them cross type, and what do you hear from the detractors? They are whining because they are all too close together for their liking. Do you really want to know what that upgrade did for me? It allowed me to use my 1.4x III extender with my 100-400 f/2.8 II lens! To me, that is also a very, very big deal. To be able to do that allows me to get spectacular results that you just could not do on the 6D. I was reviewing some really outstanding captures taken with this combo, and they are super clean with no noise and pushing some very high ISO ranges to boot. The feature that I wanted to see from Canon the most was the flip/tilt/touch screen and they delivered. It is simply a joy to use, and when using the 80D for some reach and then switching back to the 6D Mk II was something I have been waiting for for a very long time. The touch screen interface with the ability to touch the screen to focus and capture an image is just short of amazing, and I have been used to doing that on my 80D and hoping for a full frame sensor camera body to do the same. That feature alone was enough to make me want to purchase the new camera, and I did. I am very happy to have it, and I come here to just say that it is best to add some good features of a new release in the comment section, instead of a total bashing based on a point someone brought up time and again in other comment sections, so some people feel like it's the only thing they would like to talk about, to the point of exaggerating it. This is like a fish tale. By the time some folks were done bashing this camera, they were ready to sell all of their Canon gear, and give up on the Canon line of cameras just because of this one overblown issue. There are a lot of posters calling it garbage, and barely usable. There are folks just stating that it has terrible DR, so they don't know why Canon has put it out on the market. These people are just harping on this one thing just for a reason to bash Canon, it seems. If you look at the comments section on all but a very few reviewers on youtube of this particular camera, you will see nary a mention of the good things added to this release, just hastily typed something along the lines of why Canon just doesn't close up shop and let Nikon or Sony, take over the camera business because they have screwed up so badly with this camera. Go look for yourself, and you'll see what I mean. This is nuts, just like someone has an ax to grind with Canon, and they are throwing in a bunch of commenters in order to make their case heard loudly. I really hate to use the term "fake news", but if the shoe fits, then you know the rest.

[@LeeZavitz]

Awesome comparison. I’ve noticed similar results. Not amazing shadow recovery (unless you can handle higher noise levels) and pretty good highlight recovery. Thanks for the video sir.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Interesting, isn't it, as this is quite opposite of Canon's usual strengths.

[@MrDoncarnage]

Thanks again for professional review. I dont have to look elsewhere anymore for reviews of this kind, its funny some other youtube photo pros need for a review 30+ minutes yet they give less relevant information, mostly wasting time with not important things. Here its less time, much more information and better presented. Joy to follow

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's very kind feedback. Thanks!

[@babyboy1971]

The 5DMIII was a small step back in DR from the 5DMII and everyone was so blown away by the other improvements (focus for one), they didn't worry. Same with 6DMII, other than a minor difference in DR, it seems to be a great improvement on an already great camera. These DR differences among the 6D's seem like total pixel peeping. The 6DMII looks great, and I don't know why it is getting such a bad rap. Good review.

[@thesharpercoder]

Another popular complaint has been the AF points being concentrated in the center of the frame. If you compare the coverage with the 6D, the 6D2 coverage is slightly larger. They point out that the 6D2 uses the same AF system as the 80D, which it does. I would point out that Canon has done this before, taken the AF system in a crop sensor body and used it in a full frame body. This happened with the 1D4 and the 1Ds3. What is ironic is that most of the people complaining about the AF point cluster are center AF point only shooters, anyway.

[@ControlTouchMaster]

The dynamic range of the 6D mk II is perfectly fine. The problem is that people are forgetting who the target user for the 6D mk II is. It's meant to be a full frame 80D.

[@c2h3cl82]

@@ControlTouchMaster yea. Besides, it has occupied a place in the market as more of a budget, enthusiast-oriented fullframe camera

[@KentuckyMan30]

I think the disappointing thing for people is that the ISO and dynamic range performance is no better (if not worse) than the 5 year old camera it's replacing. The image quality in terms of those two categories may be just fine for a majority of the shots that a photographer may require, but I can see how it's frustrating for original 6D users that want to upgrade, yet the image quality is no better. Image quality should be improving over the course of 4 years (or at the very least not getting worse). There are legitimate reasons for needing a camera that will provide you latitude when editing. The notion that dynamic range shouldn't matter because "if you know what you're doing, you should be getting the exposure right in camera" is true to an extent, but there are plenty of times where one might want to expose for the highlights of the sky and then recover shadows. Something like wooden house scene you shared is a good example of that. Overall, I liked your test. Well done and thanks for the info!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's probably true, but a camera like the Nikon D5 took a step back in dynamic range. It does happen

[@kevinblythe2192]

I take your point Dustin. I guess what sits uncomfortably with me is that many commentators, yourself included. in different responses here, appear to believe that it may not just be a step back ... that in fact it may be a deliberate strategy of Canon to intentionally 'correct' the 6DM2 because the original 6D was 'inadvertently too good'. In fact it had better DR than the 5DM3... I sit here wondering what sort of a company does that to their product line and still expect continued support? And, if they are a Company who behave in such a way toward their loyal customer base why am I buying their products? I have said it elsewhere, every other camera manufacturer are falling over themselves striving to deliver the best feature set for all their products, particularly in 2017 and Canon seems intent on holding back, delivering less. It looks like unless you are paying $4/5000 and up for their F/F line you're just not taken seriously. But lets be real for a moment - This has been no accident. This, to me, is a deliberate ploy by Canon to up-sell you to the 5DM4 because they know you likely have a solid investment in Canon glass already and there is really few other options available to you. Bottom line:- They want to sell thousands of !d's and 5D's and every other F/F camera (read 6D) are not nearly so important. They want volume sales in their big ticket items. That's fine - I just don't want to be 'pushed' into buying upmarket by these type of tactics because the 6DM2 that I intended to buy is way less desirable now by design.

[@darthgzuz]

would love if u throw in the mix Nikon D750, D610 and D810 as well to give a relative "disadvantage"of so called Dynamic Range ...

[@kevinblythe2192]

Agreed. A good starting point though may be dxomark.com

[@TonyPhotoPilot]

Wow. The comparison with the 5D IV at around the 12:34 mark is amazing. As a long-time Canon user I tend to over-expose (since they seem to tolerate that better), but even so the difference you show for an underexposed image is jaw dropping. I hope that Canon will get their act together and start producing great cameras again.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I would say that underexposing with the 6DII is less wise than with a 5D IV, for sure.

[@aldrindetablan4358]

well that's a typical canon dr i guess.. i tend to expose 1 stop over and recover the highlights just well rather than raise the shadows.. Great job as always sir.. more power and God bless!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Usually Canon's strength is the other way around (shadow recovery), but I would say you are right with this one.

[@anoophcl]

Oh wow i do the same i always shoot 1 stop plus so dont have the issue with dynamic range ir recovering the shaqdows

[@alexalexander1]

As a Nikon and Fuji shooter I'll say this: Too much emphasis is put on the camera itself not least because a new and improved version comes out every few years. But you've also got to take into account Canon's glass and level of service, which in my opinion are both second to none (and the Colour space ain't too bad either). You're buying not just a camera, but the whole Canon ecosystem.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's true, though the whole point of reviewing a camera is to, well, review the camera.

[@floridahiker1503]

Great video. There's a huge uproar about the EOS RP. That house you photographed is too amazing to let rot away and I like that you did your video in such a nice setting.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Thanks. I'll look at the RP and draw my own conclusions.

[@Snp9462]

Really appreciate the amount of time you have taken to compare both cameras. It takes lot of effort and it really helped me to pick the right body. Thank you!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

My pleasure.

[@Rick9814]

This is by far the best video or article on this subject. This is worlds more useful than just looking at a spec on a website. Thank you very much for making this video!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

My pleasure.

[@barrettpartyoftwo8344]

Dustin, great video! I think this has been the best practical explanation on dynamic range and it's real world implications. Keep up the great work.. Blessings..

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Thanks! I'm glad to see you guys exploring your creative side. We need more of that in Apostolic circles.

[@Rusty66159]

Thanks for your reviews Dustin. I will be keeping both of my 6D1's.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I still have one, too, and it is staying in my kit.

[@Dngrov257]

Dustin, thanks, finally, a thoughtful, objective review of the camera. As I bought a 5D4, I will not be buying a 6D2 as my original 6D will serve me quite well as a back-up. Certainly, if one wants a better focusing system and the flip screen, the 6D2 is a good option for people looking for a good FF camera. One of your commenters, Max, has certainly shot some very good photos with his 6D2.

[@MaximMuir]

Who? Me?.....:) Thank you Donald. Here is the stuff I did for personal stock during eclipse weekend in North Platte/Sandhills region, Nebraska: anscochrome.zenfolio.com/p185139854 anscochrome.zenfolio.com/p757138859

[@JesusChristIsLord__]

Unbiased analysis of the 6DII dynamic range. Comprehensive and thorough! And so, so very, very helpful. Thank you!!!!!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Glad to help out.

[@andylaurel]

I may not NEED 14+ stops of DR (I too am an excellent photographer lol), but after years of loyalty to Canon, to be intentionally held back to protect their higher-end products was a real kick in the teeth. As a consumer, I voted with my $$$ and sold my Canon kit and have moved to Nikon, a company that throws everything they have at their cameras. Case in point; the new D850. Thanks for an interesting video Dustin.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Glad to help out. To be fair, though, Nikon is in a pretty desperate situation. They desperately need the D850 to be a raging success to keep them afloat, and it looks like they threw everything at it.

[@JanStrojil]

I don't think it is fair to compare Canon's decision regarding the 6D2 to what Nikon is doing with the D850. The D850 is their top model, almost twice the price of the 6D2. Of course, they'll throw everything at it. Many of the compaints about the 6D2 seem to be that it is not better than 5D4. Well duh. (Yes, I know the original 6D in some ways "topped" the then flagship.) Who complains that VW Golf is not as good as Passat? But I do wish that Canon included an AF system with better coverage, that is my main reason to stay away from the 6D2.

[@doesitmatterwhatitypehere]

Really glad KZbin recommended this video to me. Unbiased review with real proof. I had been given the chance to pick up a new 6Dii 2nd Hand and now I'm glad I agreed. It's gonna give me all I want. Yeah, sure, I don't understand Canons Philosophy and I wouldn't have bought the 6Dii new for the price it's at, but that doesn't make it a bad camera for stills. I'm sure I'll be happy with mine

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I think you will, too.

[@maxfactor4209]

big fan of your videos. I bought this camera as upgrade to my 80d. always loved the FF look and low light capability, so far i m happy. i wanted to go for 5dmk4 initially but i decided to buy new tamron 70-200 instead. i believe this combo is better for a enthusiast shooter like me

[@nunya7027]

All of the people who bought it are happy with it. There are a lot of comments from people who don't plan on buying it, and have nothing good to say about it.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Enjoy your camera! Make beautiful images. That's what matters.

[@jospehbroham6743]

I planned on buying it, and have nothing good to say about it when it comes to my needs. I can definitely recommend it to some people though. If someone isn't locked into a particular system, I probably wouldn't recommend it at all unless Canon lenses is something they really want or they want a FF vlogging camera.

[@maxfactor4209]

the fact is in 95% of my shots, I seldom push shadows over 2 Stop but I admit that it is always good to have a wide latitude of DR. I bought this camera for 1800 USD equivalent here in Malaysia which 3 years warranty which is kinda cheaper than rest of the world.

[@ajschot]

max factor if you wat more detail in shadow just overexpose a little bit 1/3rd or 2/3rd, in post you screw your exposure back but when you crank up your shadows you have more detail, less noise. Canon is great in recovering highlights. Like you can see in this review. Specially on beautiful days with a blue sky, you can easily overexpose.

[@nunya7027]

What a lot of posters are forgetting is the positioning of this camera in the Canon lineup. A lot of posters who are going so far as to wanting to change their brands at this time may be jumping the gun as far as the price hit you would take if you had to sell all of your dedicated Canon gear in order to make the switch. I have never seen so many posters intent on bashing a camera with the intent of posting that they will switch I will go out on a limb here and assume that a lot of posters aren't as invested in Canon glass as I am. I have a EF 100-400 Mk II, a 70-200 f/4 IS a a f/2.8 Mk II, with a 1.4x Mk III extender, a 100 f/2.8 L and a 50 and 40 STM as far as full frame glass goes. I also have 5 EF-S lenses. What that means to someone like me is that the changeover to another brand would be difficult, and extremely costly at best. I have read so many comments from people who are wanting to change brands only because Canon has let them down, in their view. That's a relatively easy comment to make if you had a couple, maybe four or five lenses at most. It is entirely out of character to read so many disparaging posts about this particular camera that I am really wondering whether there is some kind of severe let down based on a few reviewers who cast this camera as a dud from the get go. I believe this uneasy atmosphere about this release is outstandingly unfair in the real world, as there are many reasons to really like this camera. I own a 6d, and an 80D. I just purchased this 6D Mk II. I really like this camera a lot. The issues that are being discussed about the DR are way out of line as far as the whole picture goes in reality towards this release, to me anyway. I believe that Mr Abbott did a really great job explaining the differences of this DR debacle as a whole. In the real world, most photographers are taking pictures for fun and to procure memories of loved ones as the main focus of their photography work. The way he had to dig down deep into the weeds to explain these subtle differences/shortcomings of this camera are really a first for the review of a newly released camera. A typical newly released camera review would center on the merits of the camera instead of focusing on one particular detraction right out of the gate. The way he was forced to do this type of review seems unfair to the camera as a whole in my view. This camera has a lot to offer, period. There are a lot of upgrades to this release that can be looked at as highly anticipated upgrades. To me, the addition of the Dual Pixel auto focus and the increased number of all cross type focus points, are not something to just gloss over without a warranted appraisal. The 6D had the weakest auto focus system of it's time. This upgraded focus system, that is a lot faster than the previous one, may have some drawbacks, but it allows you to use the extenders with your telephoto zooms to allow for auto focus that is one of the main reasons I was attracted to this upgrade. The same goes for the tilt/flip/touch screen system that allows you to focus and capture by touch. That is a huge upgrade that also deserves to be viewed in a good light. It seems to me to be a real shame for a number of reviewers to have to go on defense of this release, just because a few photographers pointed to a weakness in a slim ISO range that lacks the amount of dynamic range recovery of a camera that costs $1,300 more. There was also a huge dust up about the number of card slots. The original 6D didn't have two slots, so why the sudden outrage? No joystick? That's another feature that the 6D didn't have, so why act as though that was a huge deal? It's an improvement to the 6d, not a serious upgrade, as in taking it to the level of a 5xx series professional grade camera. I'm going to stop here, but I have really found that a number of long time trusted reviewers have had to take this camera's dynamic range ability to task against a professional line to begin their reviews. That has never been done before on this scale, so I have seen a trend for posters to set the mood for a new release before anyone gets their hands on it in the real world. This has lead to a predetermined fault of a product before it even reaches the hands of the consumers in the real world. All this to defend the camera's ability to "perform" in a small, albeit important level of dynamic range in a small ISO range. I have also noticed a trend for people to just chime in with negative comments towards this camera on a level that I have never seen before. It's rather obvious that there is a determined dislike of this new release for previously unseen reasons.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I respect your opinion, but this isn't my review of the camera. This whole video is about looking at the sensor performance. My full review that deals with other things like you've mentioned is yet to come.

[@stevefortimos6656]

WoW ! You are a real fanboy Canon. LOL !!!

[@nunya7027]

Steve fortimos I beg to differ. I am merely stating the facts about this release as I see them. I laid out my opinion pretty clearly, I thought. That was my intention anyway. I am just as disappointed as anyone about this particular fault, but I don't see this single issue being the "deal breaker" that so many posters claim it to be. I just feel that, for some particular reason, this camera is being overly nitpicked on to display a fault. It seems that everyone who is reviewing this release doesn't really mention the better aspects of this camera as much as they want to dwell on this single issue. I think that the initial impact of the original 6D was what people expected out of this release, meaning that it was a stellar increase in IQ across the board that the reviewers were really excited about. Unfortunately, an issue was found that reviewers were dwelling on pretty hard that shed some bad light on it. Mr Abbott did a good job of bringing it out into the open and explaining it without bias and very professionally.

[@nunya7027]

Dustin Abbott I said, "Mr Abbott did a really great job explaining the differences of this DR debacle as a whole." I understood that you were just explaining the DR issue here. I am looking forward to your actual review of the camera. You really do your homework before you do your reviews and they turn out great. Very informative, concise and to the point. Thanks for clarifying the DR issue here for us as it is very appreciated.

[@JanStrojil]

Nunya: Thank you for your level-headed comment. This is maybe the best summary of the somewhat ridiculous brouhaha that the 6D2 seems to have created. Maybe it's because the original 6D (esp. the sensor) was better than expected for its place in the product line that people somewhat automatically expected the 6D2 to top the 5D4 and now are disappointed that their expectations were not met. I understand a lot of the criticism and I also feel Canon could have safely made a better camera without endangering their 5D sales but a lot of the objections seem unfair and unrealistic. As a 6D2 shooter, if I may ask you - do you find the focus points crammed in the middle to be a problem? As I mentioned in one of the comments above, that is my main worry keeping me from purchasing right now.

[@MaximMuir]

I bought it for the articulating screen, and I am happy. As you stated, if you are a good photographer, and know how to expose correctly, there are no real issues. It amounts to being shamed by random KZbin trolls that you bought a piece of junk. Where are their award winning photos that suffer from the cameras dynamic range problem?

[@Georgeinthejungle]

Maxim Muir come on man. We are discussing this from a value for price point of view. Trolls aside, you are getting less of a tool for your money. You can still be a great photographer and produce amazing work. That said, having a nicer "hammer" would be nice, for the year we are in and the money Canon asks. If it works for you, it works for you. But let's not keep patting Canon on the shoulder for releasing lesser products. You are only harming yourself as a consumer that way.

[@MaximMuir]

I am coming from a Canon 5D Mark II that I paid $2799.00 for in 2008, and the 6DII outdoes that camera in every conceivable way. So, I got really good value for money by purchasing the 6DII for $1999.99. Sure, maybe it is a poor value compared to other existing cameras, but not everyone is a one generation up purchaser. To have this body along with an 80D that function ergonomically identically is also a high value proposition for me.

[@gameshoes]

Maxim, while the 6D mk II is a good camera, your justification against the 5DII here is rather flawed. Of course the 6DII should technically perform better than a camera that came out nine years ago. You've also compared price to a camera that came out nine years ago. In order to strengthen your argument, you would need a price that relates closer to today. While George hasn't released numbers, he has suggested that there are competitive offerings at a price point that gives better value than the $2000 of the 6DII. Someone could say that Nikon's D750 offers better value for the body alone, which I personally believe to be true (not suggesting to go buy it though). If someone ventured into a camera store today to buy their very first camera (no prior investment in lenses), and wanted the 35mm sensor, I would certainly push them towards the D750 over the 6DII. However, we're only talking about technological specifications. You have mentioned ergonomics which is a little bit tougher to put a dollar value on but, 100% completely valid. You have put camera handling/usage above the sensor, and I think that's great that you've found what you're looking for. Personally, I really dig that fully articulating touch screen. Nikon's D750 has a tilting screen that isn't nearly as useful. Awesome stuff but, like, Dustin's video is about the technical aspects so... arguing ergonomics doesn't go very far here. All-in-all I don't think many will be disappointed by the 6D mk II. On the other hand though, we should be cognizant of what other options the market offers, and how their values match up against the product in question.

[@Weddings-by-the-universal]

Maxim Muir 90% of my photos taken around 800 iso..so i never worried about dynamic range..canon never cheats buyers.. those KZbinrs wants to get more people into their video.. so they wantedly blaming a good camera..

[@Georgeinthejungle]

Rajesh G we often mistake our own needs to be the same as those of others. They are not.

[@Twobarpsi]

Excellent real world test! Looking for a 5d2 or 5d4.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Glad to help out

[@4thNebula]

I had the original 6D (and have and 80D). I sold the original 6D since I expected the 6D MKII to have a fully articulating LCD, more MPs, dual pixel sensor and increase of DR over the 5D MKIV (as happened with the original 6D over the 5D MKIII). As your review tells me, there is no significant reason to purchase the 6D MKII since it will give me little over my 80D. So, I have decided to stay with my 80D and wait to see what happens with the Sony a7III. If the a7III has what is speculated I will likely go that direction for FF. Was hoping to stay with Canon overall but looks like that may not happen.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I too am surprised that this sensor isn't better than what it is. I do think that Canon perhaps made a mistake with the first 6D by outclassing the 5D series sensor with it, and they didn't repeat that mistake.

[@lightweaverx4381]

I don't think they need to gimp their FF sensors to APSC levels though. Frankly I don't think they need to play shenanigans with the sensors at all. In my opinion, the dual memory card support of the 5d4 alone separates itself from a 6d in the camera's likely market. And a 1dx does well enough separating itself in it's likely markets with just its FPS speed. It seems that Sony is blindsiding Canon in the sensor department and Canon seems to be inviting it with open arms.

[@kevinblythe2192]

I agree fully Craig. Canon seems to be operating from a marketing strategy of 'subtraction'. Its all about what they can take out of a camera model to match a price point while all other camera manufacturers are clearly trying to give you the best they possibly can. In the case of the 6DM2 that approach has resulted in an underdeveloped sensor. Ok, it's still quite usable but nothing like it could have been if they had, for instance, used the sensor from the 5DM4. If Canon keeps this marketing approach they will 'subtract' themselves into oblivion in the next 10 years. As Canon owners / users we should always be prepared to call out Canon for missteps in order to effect change. It may not make a difference but we have an obligation to ourselves and other users to do it.

[@redsquarejay]

I just recently bought my camera on sale for just under $1200 USD. I know it’s not the latest greatest but I love canon, always had. And wanted full frame but I don’t earn enough money to buy a 5D m4. I think it takes great pictures. I only have a Canon 50mm 1.8 lens but I plan to soon get a canon 24-70L for my first real lens. I hope it’s well worth it in the end.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Enjoy!

[@devanois]

As always, an excellent comparison. I found it very useful to compare it to the 80d, the 6d I, and de the 5d mark IV.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Thanks!

[@Georgeinthejungle]

This camera left so many budget aware users wanting FF, in the middle of nowhere

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Perhaps, although I do think it is more competent than any of the APS-C options.

[@devonopdendries7722]

The 6D MKII certainly puzzled me. I was saving money to buy it, but then read the reviews and was like, "wut? nevermind" I even considered switching to Nikon. Canon's pricetag v/s quality is starting to bother me.

[@melvinjohnson7033]

Yes at base ISO the Canon 6D MK ii is only equal to but no better than Nikon's current $6,500 flagship F5.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

A little tongue in cheek, perhaps ;)

[@rikstone7059]

Great review. The only thing not mentioned was the vast difference of pricing between 6d II and 5d iv. Also, if you’re a reasonable photographer then I don’t see the differences highlighted being a huge problem. That said, I appreciate the vast amount of work you’ve put into producing such an in depth study.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

My pleasure.

[@williamblackwell9558]

A very good video Dustin. You did show its limitations in good light but of course, it is going to perform decently in good light. Try shooting a sunset when you expose for the sky and try to recover the underexposed foreground. The lake you are sitting at in the video would be a good place. Every camera can take a nice photo of a sunset with the foreground in silhouette but trying to recover the foreground is where the Dynamic range would show it's limitations .

[@MrCochise71]

Thanks for the review. Now I have to decide on the 6D mark II or Spend a tad more for the 5 D Mark 4. As I do much of my shooting in low light.

[@samskeeter1]

Its a bit more than a tad extra, 2100 New Zealand dollars more in fact. Its just too bad the 5D4 doesn't have an articulating screen or I would have coughed up and got that instead.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It never seems like one camera has everything you want!

[@MrCochise71]

Dustin Abbott so very true!

[@kevinblythe2192]

Unfortunately MrCochise - Your comment -" Now I have to decide on the 6D mark II or Spend a tad more for the 5 D Mark 4". That, to me, was the whole point of Canon limiting the 6DM2 sensor to 2008 levels (for a full frame). They want everyone to buy the 5DM4. Even if the 6DM2 sold in minuscule numbers but the 5DM4 doubled its normal sales figure, company directors would be slapping themselves on the back on a job done well. Unfortunately, the whole exercise in regard to the 'development' of the 'new, bigger 26.2mp sensor' for the latest 6D was based on a hidden agenda. Greed. Pure and simple. And we are the bunnies. Oh, there were 'sweeteners' in the mix but that doesn't change the outcome.

[@philippeyared2050]

I always shoot RAW + JPG with RAW being a not fool proof parachute for exposure issues in the unlikely event that my photo will otherwise be worth salvaging by spending a few less than thrilling minutes lifting shadows. I do this I think one to two hours a year at most and so for me flexibility from good high ISO performance coupled with fast lenses makes the 6d II a mostly acceptable choice for when I really need anything other than my phone or my perfect G5x II

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Not a bad approach, really.

[@markcataldo1012]

Dustin Yet again another quality video reviewing gear. I believe I will continue shooting my 5DII and keep saving for that 100--400 ii.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Any of the current generation of full frame bodies is a nice upgrade from the 5DII. The major problem with the 5DII and the 100-400L II is the now very dated focus system of the 5D2. It means that you won't really be able to appreciate the tracking abilities of the 100-400L II and won't be able to use a 1.4x extender with it at all.

[@markcataldo1012]

That lens would spend little to no time on the 5DII. That body is relegated to landscape duties because of the reason you stated and the fact it still has a pretty darn good sensor. The 100-400 II will be attached to my 1.6 extender....my 80D.

[@Er1c91]

Thank you so much for this I have been wanting to upgrade from my G7x mkII to a DSLR body and was torn between the 80D and 6DMkII. I don’t think I’m ready for the 6DMkIV but definitely want full frame for both video and photography. Really did an awesome job explaining everything and showing in an unbiased way👍😎

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Glad to help out.

[@aftabone]

Hi Dustin, I think you made mistake in shadow recovery part. For example, when you adjust Exposure slider +2 and then also push Shadow slider +100 it would be more than just 2 stops of shadow correction , it would be somewhere between 3.5 to 4 stops for the shadow part.

[@zoharmoyal]

Dustin, if I start photography and videography school , is the 6DM2 will be good enough? Or maybe I should buy Nikon D750?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It's a good camera. It really depends on which lenses appeal to you more.

[@zoharmoyal]

Dustin Abbott I'm thinking about the new Tamron 24-70mm G2 lens

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Ahh, so you can go either direction. I haven't used the D750, so I don't have any opinion on any Nikon gear.

[@dobleapiria]

Excellent on point examination! I´ve had an SL1 for 3 years now and i can say i´ve squeezed every drop of this little GREAT camera.... I´ve thinking of on upgrade since at this point I´m feeling some limitations such as low light and high ISO Performance and the also having a fixed screen is killing me! Would this camera be a considerable step forward for me? thank you

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It would be better, yes, though not night and day better.

[@AlexexanderPopkov]

Thank you for the review! Great job.

[@markshirley01]

want one for the video side of things (Nikon D750 shooter) the dual pixel AF is the thing for me in video, stills I'll keep my Nikon D750 as it's great for that.

[@justinbol98]

Great review. thats not a bad camera and it is full frame too! 1.6x better bokeh, 1.6x less noise than a crop version. great entry level full frame. thinking about upgrading from 70D. keep up the good work Dustin

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I think Canon has positioned this camera as a natural upgrade from the XXD series.

[@AldoPascalin1]

I got this camera 2 months ago. For stills it's a great camera, I've been taking great shots. For videos, is good too, I just made my first video testing it at night time and I think the video looks great, although some shots were a little bit grainy since I was shooting in very low light conditions, you can check out the results on my video of San Francisco at Night. In conclusion: I have nothing against other brands. Canon and other cameras offer slightly different features but there will always be better or worst cameras in the market. This is a great camera in this price range though! After 2 months with the camera, I'm still enjoying it and trying to get the most out of it. If you are planning to buy this camera, do it! If you don't end up liking it, you can always sell it for a good price!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I'm glad you are enjoying it.

[@AldoPascalin1]

Thank you, great video! and yes the Dynamic Range could be better but like you said is good enough!

[@basembarakat]

Dustin this is wonderful review .... Thank you for taking the time

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Thank you.

[@CristiTomaPhotography]

The 80D may have more dynamic range. But the noise level is MUCH higher. You simply cannot compare.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I agree in a real world sense. I personally strongly prefer full frame to APS-C performance for a number of reasons.

[@thommysides4616]

Thanks for your comment here Cristi. I'm torn between the 80d and the 6d Mark ii. Your statement here made me know which one to buy. God bless!!!

[@CristiTomaPhotography]

@@thommysides4616 You can buy the EOS-R. The additional cost is worth every cent. This way you have both the extra DR and full frame.

[@pplanetEarth]

Great video best comparison of the dynamic range and noise performance of this camera so far as I have seen in KZbin, thought to give you a feedback: your videos are great in general but often a little long, I saw somewhere the best standard for KZbin videos is 15 minutes that attracts most views. You have a great day too.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I don't disagree, though I'm often sharing content more in depth than average, which makes it tough to keep them at 15 minutes. If I do, then I get a lot of people asking for more info!

[@ValiRossi]

Excellent review. I bet this camera would be great for the studio.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+ValiRossi I think so. I would like the a wider AF point spread, but at least the outer points work on the 6D II

[@godofhope]

Seems to be like a trade off: the 5D IV image of the shed seems very soft in the shadows area which were brought back a few stops, almost like noise reduction applied. I don’t want to say that the 6D II image looks better but it’s sharper

[@weixingyang898]

When you process the Canon RAW file, you need to keep in mind that Canon RAW file include the sensor offset information which take up around 3 stop of the total dynamic range. From what I read, most RAW processing software treat them as image information and so when do the push test, the sensor offset information make shadow noise worst than it is.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Weixing Yang Perhaps, but that's the way it will work in the real world, so its a moot point.

[@highgroundproductions8590]

I have an idea. Test the 6D vs 6D2 high ISO performance. DOWNSAMPLE the 6D2 to the 6D resolution. Then remove the color cast in post. Which has more noise? Then test this... the 6D2 has a higher native ISO of 40000. To get that ISO on the 6D, one has to use extended ISOs - basically the camera is brightening the image in post. If you want to get the 6D to ISO 40000, you'd either brighten up a 25600 image, or bring down a 51200 image. It could be that at ISO 40000 specifically the 6D2 is specifically cleaner because it's native to the 6D2 but not native to the 6D. So compare these 3 pictures. 6D2 - ISO 40000 - downsampled to 6D resolution & with removed color cast. 6D - ISO 25600 pushed 2/3 stop. 6D - ISO 51200 pulled back 1/3 stop.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Unfortunately I don't have the 6DII on hand for that test, and I'm not sure many shooters would want to go through so many steps

[@jeffreylandis4469]

Thanks for you'r review. If moving from my 70D to the new 6D mark ii, would I see a cleaner image?

[@akthompson110]

Jeffrey Landis very much so. I'm just selling my 70D (ok camera a few years ago) after 12 months with a 6D (huge improvement in performance) and as Justin says the 6D and 6D II are similar. However for wildlife the crop sensor (with good light) is useful for range. I'm starting to think the 80D might be an option for that reason!

[@jeffreylandis4469]

Thanks for the info. I'm more into landscape and thinking the 6D II would be a move up.

[@Georgeinthejungle]

Jeffrey Landis if you shoot scapes and usually manually focusing why not get the original 6D? Save cash and get a good lens maybe?

[@jeffreylandis4469]

Thinking that I would like the new 6D and it having the latest software. already got good glass, just want a full frame.

[@nunya7027]

Get it. I have both the 6D and the 6D Mk II and this camera is a joy to use and the IQ is better in my view. It has a totally different look to the background noise that is more pleasing than the 6D. High ISO pictures are much cleaner looking. This DR issue isn't what they say it is, and Dustin had to go out of his way to nitpick this one fault, whereas the camera has a long list of upgrades over the 6D.

[@devinlocke8538]

great review as always. original 6D shooter here and i'm loving the contrast of the 5D4 sensor, especially in the backyard shots towards the end of the video. i know it's off topic, but i'm also loving the specs of nikon's D850 and i'm hoping you get a chance to look at one side-by-side with the 5D4 soon.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I don't think I have time to open the Pandora's box of adding another camera system!

[@suebasler1917]

Dustin Abbot - I would love to see comparisons between the 6D and the 6Dii. I have a 6D and was hoping to upgrade but after all I have read and seen am very reluctant to do that. Thank you for another really good review.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I'll do some of that as a part of my final review.

[@Rationalific]

Very illustrative video. Thanks!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

My pleasure

[@ozanerkan9416]

Hello Dustin. I have 800d apsc camera, do you recommend me to change it with 6dmk2. Do i have a significant difference on image quality, especially at close portraits?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

You will have some mild advantages in some areas. I would actually suggest the RP over the 6dII. It has a much better focus system.

[@johnmolony5613]

What was the dynamic range of FUJI velvia asa 50????

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I don't know the answer to that.

[@karan5m]

Hi Dustin. Very helpful video as always. Just wanted to know if one can limit the DR problem by C log or creating flat profiles in the cameras itself and further processing?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's essentially what a RAW file is, so unfortunately it can only help so much.

[@karan5m]

Dustin Abbott yes but i was watching a video by peter mckinnon who says flat profiles are a good way to capture better DR. Need to try that on the new 6D may be.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's true for video, but not really for stills. A RAW file has all the potential DR in any situation (exposure specific, of course).

[@gochanemsadze1098]

Thanks

[@Life_Is_A...]

How did you not break a leg coming down from that rock!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Carefully :)

[@nathantcampbell]

Your comparison between the 5d4 and 6d2 at 13:55 has different exposures; the 6d was given a stop more light, which means this not an equal comparison on the shadow details.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That was due to a difference in metering. I had the cameras in AV mode. I noticed that after the fact, too.

[@nathantcampbell]

Appreciate the work you're doing though.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

I saw some banding in photos done with the 6d mkii's live view mode. The banding was not present in the photos done with photos shot through the optical viewfinder. Any explanation for that?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That really shouldn't be the case at all. The sensor remains the same in either focus method.

[@Lemon-uz4mc]

Hi Dustin, been rewatching reviews as I'm thinking of getting a fullframe body, possibly the 6D2 as I have some Canon glass and don't really prefer the other manufactures cameras, mainly cause I've been with Canon for six years and their glass is cheaper and still hold up quality. If I tell you the 6D2 has dropped to under 1200usd in my place, is this a nice trade? It's still a large sum of cash, and with buying that, I would need to sell my backup 7D2 and some aps-c glass for a 16-35 and a 50 Art, as I currently only have a 24-105 for fullframe sensors. Should I be doing this, or am I just silly to not switch to another brand when this is the chance?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It’s a hard decision to make. The 6D2 is an excellent value, but it is also a weaker performer than the Sony a73

[@marioplus321]

By and large, this review finishes the dialogue on dynamic range in 6Dm2. Also, it says 6Dm2 is worse in some ways than 6D. Thx for much helpful video.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

In some ways, yes, but as I said - I actually think the 6D (1) had one of Canon's best sensors.

[@79andben]

Thanks for great review. How is this compared with 5D Mark III in DR and high ISO?

[@leojonkers3181]

Yes, that is an interesting question. Both about the same price (new). I already seen some comparisons and the 5d markIII is better in DR. Better build but 5 years old. If I was not so happy with my 6d, I would go for the markIII.

[@79andben]

I own both but i haven't compared them so much yet. The plan is to sell my 5D now. 6D was and "upgrade" for me because I like the Dual Pixel AF, the touchscreen, and the built in WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS and Digic 7 processor. I have not compared picture quality so detailed yet. For me high ISO looks better also images looks more sharper than on the 5D. And Dual pixel af is really good to also in really dark situations where normal af doesn't work. But on the 6D I miss the small AF joystick (it was much easier to move AF points around with), better AF with more focus points and wider coverage area than on the 6D, and dual memory slot. It was good to be able to save RAW on one card and JPEG on another.

[@leojonkers3181]

I never use the WiFi and GPS. I always use the center AF point, recompose if necessary and that is a good one on the 6D. I am simply very happy with this camera. The articulating screen on the mark II is attractive, sometimes I miss that, but old school as I am, I own a corner finder C (do not know the word in English) and that works good. It corrects my eyes, witch the articulating screen does not. I do not make selfies or make films :) The old 6D is the perfect camera for me. One thing I miss is the possibility of a shutter speed of 1/8000 sec. A bit cheap from Canon, they must place this camera lower then the 5D serie, it is not a matter of cost. But I can live with that. When I have a underexpose or overexpose photo's I seldom correct the whole picture, like we saw in the (good) review. I made a lot of presets on my adjustment brush, so that not the sky and the shadows are getting the same correction. I like to follow new developments, but not with pain in my heart that I do not have them. I also think is that the whole hype about the DR on the 6D II is somewhat overdone. But it surely is not good advertising for Canon.

[@nunya7027]

You can dedicate the wheel to use as a makeshift joystick. Just go into the menu and dedicate the wheel to auto focus. It works pretty well. Look out for a way to send images wirelessly in real time to a phone or laptop. Good luck.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I personally would choose the 6D II over a 5D Mark III. It has a very rich feature set, and there are few advantages (in my mind) to the 5D III by comparison.

[@aklaasvandalen207]

Has an extremely high dynamic range only advantages, or are there also disadvantages?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

No disadvantages that I'm aware of.

[@strickphoto]

Just curious why, when you state around the 6:00 mark that you underexposed by 1 stop, that your 2 and 3 stop underexposed shots are actually closer to 2.3 and 3.6+ stops under. If 1/500th was 1 stop under then why 1/3200th for 3 stops?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Ask the camera that, I guess. I used its own metering system to program in under/over exposure, as I did with the others.

[@TheProjectFunHouse]

I do wish the 6D mk ii had better dynamic range. To be fair however, if you are off with your exposure by 3 stops then it's time to learn the exposure triangle first before complaining. The most I'm usually of is by a stop. That being said, I expect more from a brand new camera.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I agree all around. This really isn't a debate of a photographer's ability but rather the ability of the camera measured by the standard of the day.

[@chirag4]

hi Dustin, from the point of view of DR, ISO, Colors etc., which Canon Body houses a better Sensor, 1Dx-II or 5D-IV ? Did Canon repeat their mistake by making the 5D4 sensor better than 1DxII (if that's true) ? (like they did in case of 6D being better at IQ than 5D3)

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I haven't really shot with the 1DX II, so I'm not qualified to comment. DXO has the 5D Mark IV rated highest, I believe.

[@chirag4]

yes DxO has 5D4 as the Top canon sensor ever, but i believe in you more than DxO ! I have used the 1Dx2 and the Noise becomes visible + intolerable from 6400, and the usable ISO is from Base upto 3200. So Canon flagship is in no way a lowlight beast, but a daylight camera or for controlled set-up, and Nikon D5 shines above 3200, so it is 'only' a lowlight monster. This is my personal perception. It could be wrong. I am sure of Canon though, not Nikon, since i haven't used it.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

The 5DIV's sensor is great, for sure.

[@godz2928]

"i'm a good photographer" :D

[@joshblck1]

Godz29 lol anyone who claims they are a good photographer isn’t a good photographer

[@FotoServiciosPty]

Anyone have information on how this perfoms againt the 80D on shadow recovery from ISO 800 and above? In theory it should be better. But I haven't been able to confirm it.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

It's not going to be radically different.

[@BrotherCalebMusic]

how are you able to see your thumbnails in the timeline? I cannot see mine to this day - which has discouraged me from taking too many photos with my mark ii

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

In Lightroom? That's strange. I've never heard of such a thing.

[@BrotherCalebMusic]

@@DustinAbbottTWI yeah, in Lightroom. I'm also using the cc classic version since my Lightroom 5 didn't support the mark ii at all. i contacted canon about it, they said something about adobe - i can't contact adobe in the way that i want (speaking you an actual rep).

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's always a problem. Unfortunately I can't tell you what the problem is.

[@christianschmachtenberger9177]

@Dustin I have read the first Adobe CameraRAW Converter for CANON 6D Mark II have many bugs. First the Magenta Color Bug and now better Dynamic with the RAW in Lightroom Classic CC 7. Could you please send (save it on Dropbox) me the Test RAWs from your Test with 6D Mark II and 5D Mark IV. Big thanks. Christian

[@sambodhibansal8023]

Should I buy an 80d or 6dmark2 ?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That probably depends on what lenses you own already. In an absolute sense I prefer the 6D Mark II, but that’s mostly because I like to shoot full frame for. Number of reasons.

[@jakubsisak]

Great review Dustin! Appreciate the depth, the level of detail and the work you put into this. Unfortunately I already bought it. Still not sure I would shell out the extra $$$$ on the 5DM4. I like the camera, handles really great, very responsive with surprisingly fantastic AF features and it's somehow super fun to shot with, noisier at night but I like how it renders colours in night shots. As I mentioned in my other comment on your initial review, i discovered that the sensor was faulty in my 6DM2 copy so I had to return it. Should have a new copy in my hands within days and hoping for the issue to be resolved. BTW, those of you with US mailing address are eligible for $300 USD prepaid credit card rebate if you purchase in August so that makes the $1999 body a $1699 USD. I suspect that's where the price will likely end up once the dust settles.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I agree that on many levels it is a very competent camera.

[@areguly]

Where is that listed? :-)

[@jakubsisak]

I received the rebate email with the camera. it wasnt listed. Here is the link: www.bhphotovideo.com/FrameWork/Rebates_Promos/083117_CANO84_printer_1000.pdf

[@areguly]

Thanks Jakub, but it is only valid with that one particular printer.

[@harleyxl2001]

So, my take away from this is that as long as you get the exposure correct and don't rely on post processing to take care of a bad picture, this camera will work just fine.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's true of most cameras, but very true here!

[@ajschot]

I never had any problems with dynamic range with any body i had (300D, 7D, 1d2, 6D and 7d2), i don't care about the articulating screen (i have my smartphone for that) so i find the upgrade not worth the money as long as my 6d still works. I would rather safe up for a 5d4 or maybe an update of the 5Ds R... thanks for this part of the review. Oh yeah people talking Nikon has better dr... not really true 6d2 and (€6800,-) D5 both have 9 stops dr at ISO 100 so please if you need more then you have to think about better exposure or use tools for better light in shadows

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I did find processing images easier when I moved to the first 6D, and then moreso with the 5D Mark IV, but your point is well taken.

[@richardpcrowe]

How about after post processing with noise reduction added?

[@richardpcrowe]

Additionally, you can no longer consider the price of this camera at $2,000 or so USD. I got mine for about $1,350 including a battery grip, 2 third party batteries and extra charger, a 64 GB SD card, a Canon Pixma Pro 100 printer and 50 sheets of Canon 11x13 inch ink jet paper...

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's very true. The less than enthusiastic response to the camera initially has led to some great prices very early. It's obviously a lot of camera for the price you paid!

[@damirkvajo]

I have noticed that in first three images (iso 100, 200 and 400) you "exposed to the right", so you cannot compare it with the other images where you exposed differently. imho

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I actually was in AV mode, so what you are seeing is the byproduct of metering, not anything purposeful.

[@donzteam]

I think I will not upgrade my 6D to this new Mark 2, event not for those 45 Cross type focus point neither for the touch screen as i don't use all the point and mostly stick to the middle point and always recompose my shots.. Thanks Dustin...

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

The 6D continues to have an excellent sensor.

[@donzteam]

Dustin Abbott i agree but i don't see a strong point to upgrade, since I'm a wedding shooter i feel that 6d is doing a great job with my tamron 70-200 g2, by the way i watched ur tamron 70-20 g2 review and upgrade from my g1, thanks for the excellent review

[@marianobazan2601]

Maybe you want to make the video: Canon 5d mark IV vs Nikon d850 Dynamic Range!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I'm afraid I'm not a Nikon shooter, and don't want to open to the door to yet another system.

[@marianobazan2601]

but the way, is a very good opportunity to make a collaboration with another photographer or channel that is a Nikon user! such Tony & Chelsea Northrup, who on the other days, commented that they do not have a 5d mark IV available.

[@MatthewHyatt]

I'm simply disappointed in its low light performance for video and lack of C Log. Thanks for the in-depth coverage!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

So far Canon has been pretty selective with C Log, which does give the new EOS R an advantage over the 6DII.

[@jwilliams1563]

I so often hear the phrase " good enough" when describing the 6D mark 11

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That's probably because it is the most appropriate statement you can make.

[@mirabal1238]

The 6D ii has the same DR as the 5D ii. That camera came out 10 years ago

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I'm not sure that's 100% true, but I was disappointed by what I perceived as a step back.

[@Ranblv]

The point is not if the 80D is better. The point is why a full frame twice the price 6DMKii is not far better by leaps and bounds. Why would I pay double for small increase?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

There's a whole lot more reason to choose full frame over APS-C than dynamic range. I'd definitely take the 6D II over the 80D for a lot of reasons.

[@nitanths]

Dustin Abbott would you be a le to explain the reasons. I have just bought 6d2. Did read Nunya's comments as well. But yes, the reasons will certainly help me as I was bending towards getting 80d over 6D2. Thabk you.

[@nitanths]

Dustin Abbott BTW, excellent comparison.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I vastly prefer the rendering and depth of field from full frame cameras. Better at high ISO setting, smoother color rendering, etc...

[@nitanths]

Dustin Abbott Thank you for your help.

[@syekbe]

My only disappointment about this camera is the missing ALL-I for video. I look forward to an improved mark III and just keep my original 6D.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I think removing All-i was a definitive mistake.

[@auomauom]

... Why didn't Canon just create the 6D with 45 AF points in the first place. That's all it really needed imo

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

There are a number of nice upgrades as well, but I agree that there was little wrong with the existing sensor. That would have been a marketing disaster, though.

[@kevinblythe2192]

A good, balanced review Dustin. - And this isn't a marketing disaster? If Canon had used the 5DM4 sensor instead, I think we would be singing its praises and it would have been an awesome camera at the price point. They would have sold heaps... It seems though that the 'new' sensor in this camera went to market in a somewhat 'underdeveloped' state but technically Canon did have 5 years to get it right. Look, I shoot Canon but they deliver the 6DM2 in 2017 for $2,000 and Nikon delivers the D850 for $1,300 more within a month or so. Frankly, I'm bloody worried and very disappointed.

[@gilbertdeleeuw9361]

I can think of a few reasons @Auomauom... Canon's strategy is very transparent. The original 6D had to just edge the 5DII without competing with the 5DIII... this way many customers would veer away from buying a used 5DII and grab an ever slightly upgraded 6D for a couple hundred dollars more. Canon doesn't make money off of used cameras. Same thing now with the 6DII and the 5DIII/5DIV... it's probably one of the reasons they crippled the dynamic range i.e. to protect the 5DIV yet the 6D edges the 5DIII in enough departments many people will grab it instead of a used 5DIII.

[@oysteinsoreide4323]

There is one very huge problem with your test: You did not do the shots at same point in time. When you can't control the environment, then it has to be done at same time. Or else the result will not be comparable. When the cloud coverage differed, the result was changing. You have to lab-test these kind of thing. With exact control over light and exposure.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Oystein Soreide With all due respect, these images are all taken with a few minutes of each other. I made it clear that I wanted to do a real world test, and my findings are consistent with my real world observations in general.

[@oysteinsoreide4323]

Dustin Abbott I don't say you can't use real world test. But you should at least have one go in a controlled environment.

[@tronkel1]

It looks as if the dynamic range on the Canon 6D mk 2 is good enough for practical purposes - but - that is hardly a recommendation for a camera in the 2000 bucks price bracket. For that price it would have been better if there was more spare reserve to be had from the dynamic range performance. I think I'll pass on this one for the short term at least. Maybe wait until the price comes down.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I think it is good enough for practical purposes, but yes, it could/should have been better.

[@MikedieONE]

Funny because the Nikon D5 has similar DR and is much much more expensive :D

[@stevefortimos6656]

This is not true. The Nikon D5 has a better dynamic range than the Canon 6D Mark II, especially at high ISO: www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%206D%20Mark%20II,Nikon%20D5

[@MikedieONE]

There is barely a difference till ISO 1600 for a camera thats 4500$ more expensive.

[@ajschot]

Steve fortimos not at base iso oh and yes did you look good at the chart??? I don't think 1/3rd to 2/3rd stop will make a big difference!

[@nordic5490]

so... the take home message here is that the 6D works just fine. I would have liked to see the final results after denoising, ie to see real world results.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

For me denoising is not a real world result, as it often results in lost detail. I personally prefer a bit more noise but with the detail intact.

[@nordic5490]

fair enough. My work flow is to denoise first before applying unsharp mask. I dont want to be sharpening noise. Birds in flight often necessitates ISO6400 depending on time of day and cloud cover, to maintain 2000th sec, and F8. So denoise then USM is a necessary and effective part of my work flow.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I can see that for what you are doing.

[@AnthonyMC67]

I would like to save for the 5D4....it is just a camera that is not gonna have me craving for an upgrade at leas for the next 5 years.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

+Anthony Morales Valid point. The 6DII is a solid camera, but it will probably feel more dated in some ways in a few years.

[@AnthonyMC67]

Thank Dustin. Currently having the 6D I would be truly dissapointed if I purchased the 6d2 and found noise that I did not get with my 2012 6D. I love my 6Ds images, and I was hopeful for better functionality and better DR on the new one. I will not totally discard it, but will definatelly make a push for the 5D4. I used to be a lanscape and wild life photographer. Now that I started to do portraits and events people have shown me a liking to my work, so investing in a pro camera maybe on line.

[@steviesteve750]

Nice review as ever Dustin. So the conclusion I take from it is that for landscapes, it's a retrograde step going from 6D1 to 6D2.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Yes and no. The enhanced resolution is nice, and color rendition is great, and there are a number of features landscape photographers want (intervalometer, for example).

[@steviesteve750]

Dustin Abbott thanks, I'd missed that, should have watched the whole video! The question is whether the upgrade is with the £££ or $$$ over the 6D1 or jump straight to 5Dx

[@IDIturboDiesel]

I am keeping my Canon 6D, can’t really just going for the 6D MK II.

[@richarddsouza9010]

Hi Dustin! Thanks for the video. Just wanted to ask you if 5D Mark iii would be a better choice over the 6D Mark ii for someone who shoots weddings, people, landscape and indoor? My main concern about the 6D M2 is the clustered focus points (I prefer a wide spread structure) and the DR. Is the 5D M3 a better option considering it's 5 years old? Thanks.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I would personally go for the 6DII. Yes, the AF spread isn't as great, but the camera has so much additional functionality compared to the 5DIII

[@juliano_mattos]

6D, 6D II, 5D III, 750D, 810D...guys, they are all great cameras with few differences among. If you cannot get good pics with any of them, you should develop your skills before blame the machine.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

True enough, though the point of a lens or camera review is not about the skill level of the photographer and more about the features and performance of the gear.

[@juliano_mattos]

Sure thing. Reviews are important and necessary, congrats for yours. I address my comment specially to the ones who quite arrogantly say that the 6D Mark II is a "toy" or a bad camera. Most of them haven't even tested it and are just following a wave of misinformation and sensacionalism.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

That definitely always happens.

[@Vange8078]

Can i work at weddings with the Canon 6D Mark II?

[@darthgzuz]

excellent video as always @Dustin Abbott ... to the point in most situations, no one needs to recover 3 stops ... but i wish canon was matching current market trends ... despite switching to D810 i still miss my 6D n magic lantern ... ergonomically Canon is best i hope canon gets good at their sensor game being unable to match sensor performance of competition like D610/D750 or A72 ... its no excuse that a good photographer wont need a 3 stop recovery, i would rather shoot with a camera which can do an acceptable 3 stop recovery than some camera which cant ...

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

For sure. Always better to have more capability than less.

[@ralfahsbahs2223]

To late, bought already ;)

[@nunya7027]

How are you liking it? I love mine!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Just enjoy your camera. It is a good one!

[@dopamining7621]

Thanks Dustim, -fascinating and useful, as usual. And of course, disappointing results. I am more than ever convinced Canon released the 6D2 mainly as a marketing effort, to push people toward the 5D4 (and possibly the 80D and M5). If true, it was very risky to make such a cynical move.

[@jameslarsen9814]

Great review - as always! I am however, disappointed with the specs. I was expecting more. Yes - I know they don't want to cripple the 5D4, but I feel like they could've put more into the 5D4, which would've allowed for more in the 6D2. Of course the 6DII is a solid body - and will be an excellent tool for many...I just wish they would've done a little more (especially for video).

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Video end is pretty lacking, which is sad, as the articulating screen is an amazing tool for video.

[@stephengatley8144]

Here's an idea learn to use your camera metering system so you don't bugger up & have to recover!

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Hi Stephen, your point is not really relevant. What if a lens has very heavy vignette and you need to recover as much as three stops of shadow information just to correct vignette? What is the scene is very high contrast and shadows or highlights need to be recovered? What if a flash doesn't fire, and you need to recover? There are many, many situations outside the scope of just knowing how to use a metering system.

[@iloveu4avwe]

So mean that canon 6d mark ii is bad with the quality of photo?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

Not at all - it's just that the standard in this area is higher.

[@derekblankmccoy]

So even though it has lower MP, its quite a bit worse than the 5D IV. Crippling confirmed. It should also be considerably better than the 80D, but its not. The deal breaker is the IQ which essentially the same or worse than the original 6D yet giving larger files. This camera is clearly aimed at the amateur retiree photographer who will look at the extra 6MP and think thats an upgrade. Ironically for Canon, the original 6D is now a very good deal at a third the cost of a Mark II. On the other side, Nikon is gonna start using BSI sensors and the DR gap will be close to 3 stops soon.

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

From the feedback from readers/viewers, I would say that a lot of photographers are deciding their 6Ds are good enough for now.

[@0ecka]

Yes, I'm one of them, I'm keeping my old 6D. All of the Canon 5D and 6D models are fine cameras, but from the value standpoint 6D2 is the worst at the moment, because of the high price they are asking for it. You can get a slightly used 6D for HALF that price. I had the 5D2 before and then I switched to 6D, which was/is a better camera in many regards (for my needs) including the sensor. Now, switching to 6D2 would be like going back to 5D2s purple noise, only with some new tricks and no 5D2 advantages (like CF slot, the "nipple" joystick, faster flash sync, 1/8000 shutter, etc.). And the 5D2 now is 3 times cheaper than 6D2. It may be no big deal for those who have never used a better sensor or never needed one (people often buy thing they don't need). However, for those who have seen better, 6D2 DR is a HUGE letdown. There's that popularly misused idea of "it's not the camera, it's the photographer", which is true only to some extent (when you are buying a photographer, but not the camera), because the same photographer with a better tool in his hands can do better. More (DR) is more (DR) and that should be the end of the discussion. Thank you Dustin for the review. Your videos are a pleasure to watch.

[@derekblankmccoy]

Me too. Existing 6D user. I was going to get a 6D2 adn use my 6D as a second body for weddings.......until DRgate. I've just bough another second hand 6D for £700 as a second body.

[@nunya7027]

Derek McCoy You hit the nail on the head when you said "DRgate". It seems to me that there is a certain bad vibe that people are expressing with this camera, sight unseen. I've never seen such a negative display of comments when there is a review of a camera. Even if the reviewer leaves a positive vibe, the comments that are posted are just a total blast of negativity. Never before have I seen a total negativity when it comes to a new release.

[@0ecka]

@Nunya Being honest and critical is not opposite to being optimistic. Cameras are just tools. Imagine if this was a medical instrument. New and shiny. Seems to work fine. Would it be wrong to ignore the fact that it causes more pain to the patient than the old and less shiny but still perfectly functional tool? I think so. Don't you?

[@ultrabeing1]

Lav and camera recording audio?

[@DustinAbbottTWI]

I left a low level from camera to give environmental sounds.