Canon EOS R vs Sony A7iii - Canon User Tries A7iii

[@HyunRalphJeong]

UPDATE: Hello again, and some of you have commented about A7iii's AF tracking results and settings and after doing some additional testing, the Sony does seem to perform better than shown in the video. In the video, I was using Sony FE 35mm f1.8 lens, in AF-C, lock-on AF: Expand Flexible Spot mode with face priority off, and I was using the AEL button as my dedicated eye AF button. Maybe I'm not remembering the settings correctly since this was a few weeks ago, but I can't seem to recreate the same results with any settings. But the good news is, the camera performs better now. Some suggested that for the eye AF to work properly on A7iii, I need to set my focus area to "wide" instead of spot, but after doing more tests, I found this to be not true. When I'm using back button eye AF, it doesn't really seem to matter what focusing mode I'm in. Either way, this isn't how most people would normally shoot portraits and it did not affect the outcome of my review. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have here. Thanks

[@manarshab3341]

Thanks a lot for your honest review and Hyun and for being to the point. I've always been fascinated by photography and took a photography class .I want to be start taking serious photos and maybe have it as a side job but mainly for passion. I want to do a documentary film too where I have to constantly take videos. I'll have videos of nature , babies and I'll do many of them while I'm walking. but honestly I don't know which one is better. I wish there was a camera that combines the best features of both of them . I love about cannon it's ergonomics, the plenty of lens it has and I like about sony its video slow motion, stabilization and AF. But I'm a new user of both and I really want to take advantage of black Friday deals. Which one do you recommend? Or is there a third cheaper camera close to them that you think is good? Thanks a lot 🌷

[@BalaKrishna-bq5iz]

How come the guy is moving so fast while testing a7iii AF but doing a 5x slo-mo walk while testing Eos R AF test? Speed of the subject being tracked doesn't is irrelevant how?

[@3VAudioVideo]

I have the M50 and i got my gf the A6400. Sony is more complicated. I was also tryinng to get the AF focus to work and it’s not that intuitive. If I didn;t have Canon glass already and if I didn’t buy my gf the A6000 + sony glass a few years back, I probably would’ve gotten the Sony for myself and the simpler Canon for her. Trying to set her custom menu options and settings to make it as easy for her as possible is not easy to figure out.

[@jiehwuang679]

AF wide or area mode works better with eye af on sony……its different logic to shoot compare to canon…ur a7 set to center af mode is not correct and fooled the af system

[@xkal636]

But with the EOS R currently at $1299, EOS R >A7III

[@ogonzilla]

Just an FYI, for best eye AF results in the Sony, you'll need to change your focus to a zone, not a single flexible point. After shooting Canon for years I had to adapt to shooting with the Sony. Best settings: Face detection OFF, set a dedicated eye AF button, continuous AF, use wide/zone or center focus point. I've been testing the Canon R myself and I haven't been as impressed with what I shoot professionally (events in the dark). So...everyone's experience differs. Thanks!

[@amedina_life]

Omar Gonzalez Photography fancy seeing you here. I recently purchased an x-t20 and 18-55 Lens so I’ve been binge watching all your videos. Also a long time canon shooter which brought me to Ralph’s page a while back. You guys produce awesome content 😁👍🏽

[@ogonzilla]

Miguel Medina Photo Thanks so much. Happy shooting!

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Omar Gonzalez Photography Thank you for the tips! I love your channel :) I was using back button eye AF with face detection off in continuous in spot tracking but I guess the focusing mode still affects the tracking? I set up both cameras this way because I’m not a full time portrait shooter so they don’t always automatically go to people’s faces. But will try the test again today. Thanks for stopping by!

[@blazeboy777]

I own a9, a7rIV and Eos R and Eos R with a native glass feels and is more reliable than other two. A9 can miss a shot as it can do 12 FPS stable when shooting uncompressed raw and still feels and it the best. Hope you tried eos R with new firmware 1.4 and a glass like RF 50 1.2 :)

[@TomasRamoska]

Sony A7iii is great but I hate low resolution lcd and evf on sony. Lcd is 0.9mpx this is 2012 technology even old Canon 5dmkiii have better screen on the back..

[@mariaandbryan]

Two full frame mirrorless cameras, probably the top two options comparison This is going to be grrreat

[@FoodandFootprints]

You really broke things down well between the two cameras. Detailed and the visual examples are very helpful!

[@leos7151]

15:49 - Has anyone recognized, that the camera disappears into nothing??

[@takeitorleaveit304]

Wtf😂

[@jhellier]

The best comparison I've ever seen between these cameras. you are a great reviewer.

[@Komu254]

i liked to this channel almost instantly

[@jsasa5668]

Great review! With the release of the RF 70-200 f2.8, the price gap at 15:06 becomes narrower ($10,500 vs $11,150). I still like the RF glass quality better, and the ring is a great and smart feature that adds to the already better usability by Canon. Canon has simply been nailing it with the RF lenses. I do think that the Sony has better video features, dynamic range, and having a higher burst makes it more apt for more kinds of photography. However, at $1,500 that the EOS R sells for right now (even cheaper if you are lucky, and with EF adapter included) and the RF lenses, I am sticking with Canon, especially since it has better 1080p video and the 4.2.2 4k30 external. I thought about switching to Sony for a long time but I like what Canon has been doing in the mirrorless field. They may have taken their time to catch up but they have been taking big strides with lens and firmware releases and the release of the m6 mkii, which has no crop at 4k. I really look forward to the newer model of the R.

[@NithilanDhandapani]

And finally the truth has been spoken. Its not the brand altogether. Its just the models that has to compared. Nice and happy to hear such wise words

[@blitonz]

Love this review for how objective and realistic it is. Too many times people nitpick on everything just because they're different to what they know.

[@elmachomen]

Great comparison and really helpful for someone like myself that is researching to try to make the most informed decision about which camera to upgrade to from APSC. Keep up the good work!

[@TekAutomatica]

Yup, the olde EOS 5d MK2 still does a fine job!

[@aantonic]

exactly, no need to upgrade for me at all, 5dm2 still is and will always be good enough for me. When it breaks down then i will see whats next

[@Paul_McNulty]

Family non-pro shooter here. I had a 5d2 but moved to a 5d3 for the faster autofocus at sports events. It was well worth the jump. But other than that the 2 is just as good imo. I came to this vid to see if I'm missing out on very much now the 3 is a few generations old but nothing has grabbed my attention enough to jump. Maybe the next gen R, who knows? I'd need better low light performance and dual card slots before being serious about jumping.

[@khuo0219]

@@Paul_McNulty the autofocus during live view and video sucks on the 5d3. For that I got the m50 though. So no need to upgrade to either of these amazing cameras unless you make money with video

[@Mackahroney]

im still on my 5d mark ii and iii. waiting for the 1dx mark iii to come out so i can grab the 1dx mark ii haha

[@aussie2uGA]

I love my 5Dmkiii too but todays black friday sale for the EOS R $1500 made me bite.

[@jamesyu8183]

Me too. I want to have 1DX mk ii to work with 70-200 f2.8 iii.

[@AlexandreNarbert]

Yeah same, still got my Canon 5D Mark II with me

[@ziaphotography2056]

roneytwinturbo it’s out 😁

[@tlustejmicin]

I am still with 5D Classic and I love it.

[@GorillaSnapper]

The Eos R was very heavily criticised when it was released and the Sony bois had a field day, now that everyone is coming out with a 1 year on video for the Eos R peoples opinions are very different and much more positive. Anyone who's used the Eos R for more than an hour knows how damn good it feels in the hand and with the most recent firmware's autofocus performance is just about on par with Sony. Yeah the Eos R isnt without its flaws, I can see why wedding photogs crave a second card slot and the 4k video crop is a big challenge for film guys, but the rest of us who dont take photos/videos for a living, it's a pretty solid camera. Then there's the lenses. Man they good. 28-70 f2 is unmatched by anyone, the 50 and 85 f/1.2 are about as good as you can make them, the new 70-200 2.8 being the size of a coke can at its shortest is crazy. The Sony's are better on paper and they should be as they have a 6 year head start in the mirrorless game. Anyone who remembers the first gen of A7's will attest to how dreadful they actually were. Autofocus sucked and was bettered by mid range DSLR's, burst modes were middling at best with meager buffers, the A7R had some of the worst shutter slap in a camera ever, a terrible lens lineup unless you were into owning 4 or 5 different 50mm lenses and the ergonomics were straight up bad. Now look at them, class leading autofocus, really good DR and ISO performance, a really fleshed out lens lineup and video specs so good it's completely eaten into their pro video cameras. Sony are deserved number 1 in the mirrorless space but they had to work hard to get there and if that means Canikon need to pull their fingers out with new cameras that's only good for the consumer at the end of the day.

[@bojangbg]

i wouldnt call the first alphas bad nor i would say that their lenses were crap... i mean their 50's you mentioned (55 1.8 and later the 50 1.4 planar... and much much later the cheap one 50 1.8) are still unmatched... i mean the 55 1.8 is stellar and just this lens was the reason for me to switch the system... i mean i shot with with almost everything... and the small 55 1.8 was literally a baby otus with AF (okay lets forget about the CA's at 1.8) ... and the 7R ... had a loud shutter.. but i liked it :) and it had no vibrations or shaky images because of that.... but everything else you say is true... canon must spend about 2 billion dollar to recreate sony's stacked sensor design... and i dont think that they will invest that much ... what i see here is a pattern... canon tries as usual to do their marketing thing... i've heard from a lot of photographers that they receive money to make statements about how good canon actually is... (im not talking about this channel... but there is one famous guy who changed his mind literally overnight ;) and left almost all his groups where built up his audience with sony gear review... strange right? ) we will see what will happen next... im looking forward to see the tech war... but the only real competitor atm is panasonic... they've the power of innovations to make sony a hard time... canikon can just survive with their old-gen fanboy fanbase who investet a lot of money in the one or other system (i've been one of them and i know exactly how hard it is to give up the brand loyality)

[@GorillaSnapper]

They were bad compared to other similarly priced cameras, especially in autofocus performance. The first announced FE lenses had many holes in their focal range and sure the 55 1.8 was/is a great lens, it took Sony years to get to where they are with their G Master line. The first F4 Zeiss zooms were pretty middling. Sony pushed the metabones adaptors pretty hard because the lenses on launch were lacking and it was how they could start converting people. It was really clever from them. The A7R absolutely had shutter shock issues, it was well documented and a simple Google search of 'A7R shutter shock' shows just how prevalent it was. We might just see a situation where Canon ends up having sensors supplied by Sony. If they wish to stay competitive in a drastically shrinking sector it may be their future. The RF mount is clearly their future and native EF to RF adaptation which works flawlessly fills in the gaps for niche lenses until native RF lenses arrive. Assuming it all doesn't go pear shaped before they get to 2nd or 3rd gen RF bodies.

[@jeffwisener1378]

The EOS R isn't a good sports photography camera. The FPS is a joke and video capabilities are 3 years behind. If landscape photography or portrait, ok, sports no. My Canon 7D is better and it is about 8 years old .

[@bojangbg]

@@jeffwisener1378 for landscape they're a pure nightare, with their Alienskintone Magenta colors. but it would be the best camera in 2013 so far.

[@bojangbg]

@@GorillaSnapper Nope, had the camera... and it is well documented on youtube... there is no shutter shock... tested it on my own and there is NO SHUTTER SHOCK... maybe some paid canon "influencers" wanted to make it a real thing, but fortunatley it wasnt. it was a loud shutter, yes... but it was more durable than anything canon had to offer in that price range. however the 24-70f4 wasnt a great lens at all... i agree with you. but this was the only one which was mediocore. look at the 16-35f4 which is still sharper than the 16-35 2.8 III L from canon... i mean... srsly canon? the 70-200 f4 is rated as one of the sharpest zoom lenses ever made... so what we are talking about... the lag of fast professional zooms... sure this was at the beginning when sony didnt even want to release the full frame E-Mount system. but their lenses with Zeiss and Minolta knowhow were better sharper and lighter than the ones from the competitors... no doubt about that. 55 1.8 90 2.8 35 1.4 just to name a few... but i know what you want to say... and there is no doubt about that that canon is just at the beginning... but sony did not put that much money into their system to lose the game... they've been #1 in Digital photography... they're #1 again. :)

[@ColoCulture]

I still want a EOS R soooooooooo bad. Still using a 70D. Love the growth of the channel man!

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Willz World Media Thank you! I saw a brand new one on ebay for less than $1500 the other day. They’re getting cheaper and cheaper

[@iBair]

70D is a legendary camera for what it's worth, it introduced so many people to DSLR video

[@steveteare3865]

The best reasoned analysis / critique of these two great cameras on KZbin, thank you.

[@MrRensan404]

Great review as always! I think I’ll still stick with my 5D Mk lll for now, till Canon comes up with its next generation mirrorless cameras. I have no doubt that they can easily catch up with Sony despite their late start on the mirrorless game.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Rene Santiago Yeah, considering it’s only been a year, I think they are a lot further along than where Sony was 2-3 years ago.

[@anthonyc1883]

Rene Santiago Guessing Sony will not be sitting around doing nothing while Canon or anyone else works on catching up. Big advancements come more slowly as time passes, but unless Sony arrogantly thinks they've got the whole game sewn up, they are going to continue to develop their products at a high level.

[@allandresner]

Canon is going to wipe the floor with Sony. Sony cameras are missing the soul of a photographer. There are so many things that are not photographer friendly like why would they low level format the memory card? With Canon, if you format your card by accident and want to recover your photos, you can... with Sony, forget it. Canon's smart, they have the best mirrorless glass in the industry with Nikon and Sony lost in the wind regarding their glass. Canon will release awesome mirrorless bodies over the next 5 years and as Sony users try Canon, they will feel like they are using a camera again and not a toy from Sony.

[@anthonyc1883]

@@allandresner As a photographer for more than 40 years, 30+ of them on staff for publications or private industry (as well as creatively of course), I can't even fathom what a camera "missing the soul of a photographer" even means. Nor can I relate at all to talk of how a camera company is "going to wipe the floor" with another camera company. As for Sony cameras feeling like "toys" I do remember as a real young buck encountering a few of the last of the hard-bitten, colorful old-timers on Chicago newspapers who had all retired by then. In their heyday, they wielded the standard Speed Graphic press cameras and dismissed the 35mm Leicas and Nikon F models as "toys."

[@jonathanbidmead3586]

I switched from a Canon 5dmiv to a A7RIII and A7iii combo and the biggest gripe for me is the way the Sony's handle in the hand. If they can sort the form factor out we would have a winner. Until then I can see canon catching up fast especially if they sort duel card slots,IS and improved eye af.

[@AlliandWill]

This was a really great comparison video Ralph filled with a ton of info! The A7iii is a beast of a camera and so many people love it, but the EOS R has really surprised me as well over the last several months; people really do seem to love it as well!

[@GaryJahman]

Very nice comparison sir! I totally agree and in this day and age the image quality is pretty much similar with all new cameras. Heck even the iPhone is taking great photos.

[@RudyVisuals]

Great comparison. I literally just bought an A7 III this week after being a long term Canon user and trying to choose between these two cameras so this was perfect timing. Both amazing cameras as far as I'm concerned, but literally went with the Sony because I found a great deal for it. Love your channel btw, it looks like we making really similar content. We hit the sub button :)

[@Albertoepicness]

I just bought an EOS r for 1529

[@MattsMegabites]

Sony is unreal right now. I remember when the A7s came out and the low light filming and pictures blew my mind

[@loveraindown]

Great review! Just because a particular Ferrari model may out perform a particular Lamborghini model, doesn’t mean one is better than the other. In my lifetime as a photographer, I’ve used many camera systems. They’re just tools in the end. 😉

[@HyunRalphJeong]

C C Thank you! I feel like all cameras are pretty good nowadays and even the “worst” cameras are better than anything we had 5-10 years ago and virtually no one will notice any difference.

[@myopinion2day]

I agree, but in case a Ferrari model has better specs than Lamborgoni model (120fps at 1080p), but Lamborgini is still more expensive it's worth taking a look into it. For example I would be more than happy with just full frame 4K and 60fps at 4K from Canon (I mean phones offer 4K at 60fps!) and I have everything I need in a camera. But nooo, Canon presented a camera with worse specs than competitors and priced it higher...I mean, there's a point at which you have to get humble and realize competitors are crushing you and stop raising prices just because of the name. Canon will loose (and has lost) a lot of its customers if they keep offering the same or worse product at the higher price. All I want is to futureproof my videos so I don't have to buy a new camera every few years (I own original 7D...still brilliabt for photos but the video is so dated it's unwatchable for example)....

[@jordanmitchell4830]

One thing I really like about the Sony full frame cameras is the fact that there are three dials, which can each be tuned to whatever the user wants. When I shoot Canon I feel changing my settings, especially ISO is slower because pressing the ISO button to then change the ISO is so much slower than just turning another dial on the camera.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Yeah, I can see that. I've been using the back dial on the A7iii as my ISO dial as well. But I still set it up so I have to press the button to activate it because I didn't want to turn it accidentally. On RF mount lenses I can set up the control ring as my ISO/aperture dial too.

[@CharlieVN]

pretty much all Sony users were previous Canon users lmao. Once you get the hang of it with real experience, not a few weeks, like a full year..... it's far ahead. And then try an A9, much far ahead of the A7 mark iii. Most people underestimate the learning curve of Sony.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

I’m not sure if that’s the best sales pitch for a camera lol. I’m not getting rid of it any time soon. I don’t need to use it for a year to decide and will hopefully test more Sony cameras and lenses in the future.

[@CharlieVN]

Hyun Ralph Jeong Mark my words, by next year, you’ll still learn some quirks about the camera. Most folks that switch from canon don’t even know about focus hold. Many don’t know about the secondary Fn menu, or issues about EFCS. It’s an extremely deep learning curve, and due to the stacked sensor, and real-time AF, the A9 is easier to use. The picture profiles settings are deep..... Bluetooth remote is amazing and so on. I’ve shoot canon for a decade actively, still have the M and waiting for the R pro, don’t want a single card For my “A” camera, and willing to go cross brands, would love to see the R pro or Panasonic S1H. If either has an actual lens lineup I would have gone for one over the holiday sales, instead, in bagholding my dollars.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Guy With Camera I’ve been actually using the focus hold button. I thought I’d never use it but it’s useful because I use back button focus on the Canon but I don’t like the placement of the button on the Sony and I use the AEL button as eye AF. I don’t like using electronic shutter in general with any cameras unless I have to be silent because of the issues. I don’t use picture profiles because I don’t shoot jpeg. The way I use my cameras is pretty simple which is probably why the Sony’s menu didn’t bother me that much.

[@CharlieVN]

@@HyunRalphJeong the AEL button is horrible, and you really dont need an eye AF button for sony, it has auto eye AF. if it's a single person, use wide area and regular AF. if you're isolating between multiple people, use medium or large spot, avoid the small. The viewfinder will show the points jump all over the place, but it's not missing. A9 is a bit easier than this.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Guy With Camera Yes I know but I don’t want it to always automatically go to a person’s face when I want to focus on other objects when I’m not shooting single portraits. I set up my Canon and Fuji in similar ways

[@chori0323]

good video. I'm exactly the main target of this video. Having Canon 6D for 4 years, I'm thinking about switching to a73 or eos r for 3 months and haven't come to a conclusion yet. I'm more inclined to eos due to cost effectiveness but smaller size is definitely win factor for me and eos r video feature is a little outdated. so i guess wait until eos r mark2 to come out but i can't wait 3 more years ah...

[@voyagersquaremuzika]

Videos like this are the same as when children argue over who is stronger, Batman or Superman! WTF!

[@MrPhilbautista]

Uhhh, Superman is clearly stronger. Even Batman wouldn't argue that.

[@jreymus]

Not really. It is good to get other’s opinion especially when you’re investing 1000s.

[@ayushraj2377]

which camera has better image quality Eos R or a7iii?

[@ausdoug974]

I really enjoyed the video a lot. Very helpful. Thanks for recording your thoughts about the comparison.

[@billymurphy3]

Man, this is the best! This is what a camera user wants in a video! I was a minute in and was like “ he knows me....” 😂

[@24Steevy]

8:15 user error, your focus point was in the background

[@TomBartol]

yah he is focusing on a tree, and said eye autofocus doesn't work lol

[@quangnguyen6524]

cant really blame that guy who just picked up a new camera and doesn't have a clue on how the sony autofocus works

[@24Steevy]

@@quangnguyen6524 if doesn't know how to works, than doesn't make a comparison video on youtube.

[@ajalbetjr]

....Fast forward a month, and the EOS R has been discounted EIGHT. HUNDRED. DOLLARS from $2299 to $1499, apparently because it's so close in performance, eh?... as of Christmas Day it's STILL in effect....

[@BlueBomberTurbo]

You need to switch the Metabones to Advanced Mode (hold button while mounting lens) to get video AF. A more recent FW update enables full Hybrid AF (OSPDAF + CDAF), where Green Mode (default) only uses OSPDAF. Older Advanced Mode is CDAF only, but still works well in video. Explains why video mode has issues with AF in your video, as CDAF is a big part of Sony's video AF portion.

[@darraghkane18]

My biggest problem with the eosr as a press photographer is switching to AI servo and the camera becomes so clunky. The frame rate just drops! Its also awful when you have to use a speedlight on it. I find the burst rate terrible

[@hunglemed]

Great review! Unlike others who want to make a camera looks 100% better than the other one. These 2 cameras are good enough to shoot almost types of photography. Nowaday, so many gearheads play gears, not photography

[@Yupppi]

Question: is it Sony Alpha or Sony A? Not particularly important, but curious when a japanese company uses a greek letter, would it be just for styling "a" or actually be α? When you mention Canon colors, I find that I often try to figure out how to affect the color before taking the shot on 250D. To me it almost always lacks some vibrance compared to real life, that I struggle to bring out the colors I am so enamoured by in real life. It definitely requires something like landscape setting regularly. However in this comparison the dark hallway with torch I can see what people might mean. They look like completely different pictures. One is amber, one is green. I couldn't excuse or explain that. After watching this I'm rather happy with looking into Canon range and deciding to just ignore others (limited time and brain capacity to explore all info on multiple manufacturer ranges and figuring out what's important). The years of leading the market in popularity and catering to your casual users, the way how fluid the use is on Canon is delightful. Even if you sacrificed a couple of better specs for the same money, the most important thing is how effortless the use is. After all you want to focus on shooting and expressing/capturing your creativity and getting work done, you don't want to work the camera but the content. With Sony you can get great things done and its very good in many ways by your witness, but it seems like you often come to moments where you start working with the camera and become alerted to its existence as one puzzle more than extension of your arm and eye. Professionals can get the job done and might not care that much after the learning period and lot of experience on their chosen tool, but even they must appreciate the ease of workflow when you don't have to think about the camera. That's a huge benefit from the experiences on the casual market, to make you not think about the camera too much in your workflow.

[@africanhistory]

plain stupid is the correct remark. What quality difference. How many Sony u see them using at White house events? U r on Point Hyun. Ppl with no talent fuss over these things, you make a film with a Sony I make one with a Canon and see who knows. One win for Sony is the 4K and 120

[@kikipratama1]

I feel like you are the only reviewer I enjoyed.

[@drbeardo6960]

Exactly my thoughts

[@dzllz]

Highly interesting comparison.. nice video 👌

[@AveRobinMRamos]

Im a canon dslr and sony mirrorless shooter and i love these both camera. Just a piece of advise, next time make sure to familiarize both camera before making a video review/content.

[@goldengold8568]

Can you do EOS R vs Nikon Z6.

[@sniperv]

Appreciate the review and the content. Also appreciate not getting into the overly done color debate between Canon vs Sony when everyone edits photos anyway. But I would like to say that the one bad thing about a lot of these reviews especially on the Sony and Fuji side are that reviewers are prematurely doing reviews without actually learning how to use the whole product. I’ve seen too many videos where wrong information or inaccurate testing is being done because the user doesn’t know the features of product. One is the auto focus. Looks like you added a comment about figuring out a better setting for Eye-AF. But clearly Sony is the best in Eye-AF. Although Canon’s update is much better than introduced. You also mentioned complaining about one of the dual card slots being a USH-1 and slows the camera down. I’ve done events, wedding, and sports with the A7iii and never had a buffer issue doing redundancy to both. If you run this buffer out and lock out your camera, you are probably over shooting. Also, would rather have this setup than the only 1 card that the EOS R has. Your example of not remembering where AWB setting is simply you not knowing how to use your camera. There are tons of places you can customize the camera to your liking. Bottom line is, you are use to Canon cameras period. It will take a lot of time to get use to another camera of really any brand let alone about a months time and then try and do a review on it. YMMV

[@exfoliage]

Thorough, unbiased comparison. Excellent video.

[@ZhurbaV]

Sony has absolutely useless screen outside. So, you can use this camera only inside.

[@hotiendat66]

After nearly 2 years of using canon R, with the limitations that it has revealed, now I want to switch to sony a73 more than ever. Every camera has its strengths and weaknesses but for me personally, canon doesn't seem to be the right fit for me . The first is the lens system, canon rf is currently a closed lens system, the L glass is too expensive for me, and if using the EF lens through the mount, there are often errors, and it is not stable. Sony E mount with many 3rd lenses such as sigma, tamron, samyang, viltrox, ... very good quality and price. The second thing is that I feel sony is faster in focusing, has more focus mode options, as well as when reviewing photos after shooting, the image immediately appears unlike the canon, which takes 1-2 seconds. The third thing is that 2 card slots will help me feel more secure, especially wedding jobs. There is only 1 thing that I want a73 to have from canon R is the screen, the screen of canon R is too good.

[@KAZUNARl]

Great video! I always used canon cameras... went from compact powershot cameras to a 600D, from that to an 80D and now I have the EOS R... I see no reason to move away from canon... I won't say other brands like nikon, sony, pentax or fujifilm are bad, I'm sure they aren't... but I feel comfortable with my canon gear and isn't that what making pictures is all about?

[@vannakfinale]

In Cambodia Sony a7iii 1540 Canon​ r 1690 I end up with the sony

[@TwoHungryDiners]

A7iii looks very interesting, quick question here...touch screen is not functional apart from selecting AF points on A7III? How is the low light performance between the two cameras for video?

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Two Hungry Diners I think in REALLY REALLY dark places, A7iii is better. But yeah, the touchscreen on the Sony is pretty useless other than for autofocusing

[@ilja4420]

Canon eos R has better autofocus than sony a7iii ? OMG, you joking me :)

[@longrider9551]

I am a Sony user and I think the A73 is a great all around camera, 1 or 2 things I didn't like about the EOSR but lets remember this is Canons first gen, and they have some really nice lenses to start, something Sony struggled with for a long time, I think Canon is doing an excellent job with that mount and very soon it will be just a matter of preference

[@Revan89]

Really enjoyed your review. It's smart and practical. Also you speak from experience as a working professional and no just a camera reviewer. I appreciate that.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Guillermo Alessandri Thank you, glad you enjoyed it

[@CommanderSkull]

Good review. Helped a lot. I am going to buy myself the Canon 90D, as I've also compared a lot of other videos and searched for the Sony A7 III. I do mostly videos, but I also want to shoot photos, so in this case I do believe that the Canon will suit me best... Despite it being also a bit cheaper than the A7 iii it has much of if not the same as Sony. Thing that Sony beats Canon in atm. Is shooting in low light... but that is fixable with a few lights or a flash.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

It's hard to give up Canon's ergonomics and video autofocus. 90D would be a great hybrid camera

[@andreasbuder4417]

In low light, it is not as clear. In Single AF, the Canon is as good as it gets, with a much lower EV and rapid, confident focus. The Sony is more proficient with continuous in low light, but not as nearly as consistent as the Single AF of the Canon. So, depending on how you shoot, one camera is better than the other and vice versa. It acually amazes me, how close these two cameras have gotten. Now, you can make your decision depending on your needs and are not bound to one brand, because the other suck.

[@cheeholim2084]

Olympus EM1 Mark II ? quite cheap now

[@CharlieVN]

bruh, not even close, full frame vs crop video. 1080 120 with sound, so you can choose to speed ramp without restriction.... The only thing the 90D has on Sony is the price.

[@manarshab3341]

I'm interested in shooting videos more too. What's the main difference between canon 90D and eos R ? I want to buy a camera this week

[@grantdecker1190]

Good review. I chose the A7iii for low light and some of the video features. The A7RIV is next. I use Sony and Sigma glass.

[@Lovo369]

I just bought a Sony camera and honestly, I will go back to canon soon. It may seem that I’m exaggerating but if I’m out and and need to make a quick adjustment. The fact that I have to deal with the Menu. It’s just not efficient

[@MelvinDlaCruz]

Nice review my friend, I like the video but remember Sigma lens for Sony are cheaper, do you upgrade the Sony to the latest firmware? Sony is way better in autofocus, fotos and video. Overall really good video keep doing stuff like thiss

[@HyunRalphJeong]

MelvinDlaCruz Thank you, yeah it has the latest firmware installed.

[@izoyt]

what do you mean by way better? it didn't look like that at all in the video..

[@CheeseOnEverything]

Sony doesnt have way better af anymore. Ever since the 1.4 firmware update on the eos r, its neck and neck

[@vasiliosmuselimis]

Excellent video!!!!!! You covered it all. For me it was the A7 III mostly for the dual sd slot.

[@spencereyes235]

Great review!

[@inspirephotography14]

I am sony a7iii user but, I don't know much details about photography. So, out of the box and accessories availability I belive Sony ahead Canon . But, Canon dropped price EOS R drastically which feels neck to neck competition.

[@ash121187]

Do you sharing to us how you get such lighting in your video? It’s so good!

[@Mr.Futility]

Was liking the video till you did the autofocus comparison. You certainly had the model move faster and more aggressively when you tested it on Sony so it looked like Sony was no good... not a fair comparison

[@kostasrestas]

well,i have a7iii with Tamron 28 75 2.8 and i think its very good combination! i research for gimbal those days! check if you like my last video in very dark place,hammam exactly!

[@Sikhislove]

You cannot compare these cameras,Canon still behind other manufactures.. such as Fuji. you also contradict yourself ... firmware does not correct the menu system... Canon has to still catch up

[@shafeequeck6339]

Please provide the raw files of both cameras ... it will be easy for us to believe

[@cooloox]

To believe what? In every comparison I've seen the out-of-camera images from an EOS R generally look better than those from an A7III.

[@tomd4748]

Helllloooo "certain people", the Canon needed no special adjustment to outperform the Sony in the AF test. Go proselytize elsewhere 🤡

[@TheBen034]

"Eye auto focus issue" - Either you do not use the camera properly or this is clearly a biased review. Being a previous canon user, i can't think of any scenario where canon AF would be better than the sony which nailed it 99% of the time

[@AlKulla]

You are exactly correct. Sony's eye af is the best in the industry right now.

[@fauzanazhima]

Of course it's biased.. What would you expect from a review video with an obvius vignette on it...? :)

[@ryoe2438]

Try the function button on the back of the Sony. It will take you to a menu with all the settings.

[@amedina_life]

This is the best comparison I’ve seen between the two cameras...especially since it’s after Canon’s recent firmware and new lenses. I’ll continue with Canon as they seem to be heavily invested in pushing their mirrorless line. I’ve recently purchased a fujifilm x-t20 on a great deal for a fun portable option but I don’t think I can handle a third menu system 🤣

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Haha I know I’ve been juggling between all three for a while.

[@CharlieVN]

btw, lenses lenses lenses lenses, Sony has a HUGE collection of inexpensive third party options. A7iv likely due spring 2020, sony seems to like a two year cycle.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Yeah I have the tamron 17-28 2.8 and it’s great for the price. I wouldn’t say the collection is HUGE compared to the EF mount and their third party options but I only really need 4-5 lenses and I can’t complain with either systems.

[@CharlieVN]

@@HyunRalphJeong we all only "NEED" 3 lenses right? 2.8 trinity and be there....... I've had 20+ canon EF lenses and probably 15 E-mount sony at this point. 4-5 lenses can get boring. No lenses are immortal, I find that I have to mix and match primes and zooms from time to time. Out with the family, ultra portable 18 + 35, only 250g worth of lenses... travel, I may bring 1.5 - 2KG in lenses, High quality events, the whole 2.8 collection and then 2 fast primes.... living a little :D

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Guy With Camera yeah 90% of the time I’m only using 35 and 85.

[@echosierraenroute]

WHEN IS THE R GONNA PRICE DROP FOR HOLIDAYS 2020?

[@KimchiAndBeansVideos]

Ralph setting the record straight from the get go. LOL I'm not switching. We always research and test the Sony cameras and there's usually something that convinces us to go back to Cannon. Hahah Yes, Cannon is usually more intuitive. The noise IS usually better in the Sony. Ooh, the slowmo is nice!! $130?!!! Whoaaa. Third Party it is. Hahaha

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Oh the search of the perfect camera continues... haha

[@kiliandietrich8526]

Referring to 10:30 where you compare the two cameras: The EOS R can also be charged via USB, but it has to be a charger that supports power delivery... just saying.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Kilian Dietrich Yeah, also isn’t it like $100?

[@kiliandietrich8526]

@@HyunRalphJeong nope, I'm using the charger that came with my Pixel phone... Also my Varta Power bank works perfectly.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

@@kiliandietrich8526 No, I'm talking about the EOS R. You're saying it doesn't need Canon's USB charger?

[@kiliandietrich8526]

@@HyunRalphJeong It really doesn't... I think the reason why people are holding back saying that is because they are too chicken to try out other chargers. Yes, it will violate the warranty if you charge it with another charger but as long as the voltage is correct and you rely on sources that provide a stable voltage (no cheapo power banks and stuff) it will work just fine. The reason there being that the device really doesn't care about the source as long as it gets it's juice. And to be frank, Canon's engineers of course built in a (standard) controller that compensates for minor irregularities... they would be stupid not to...

[@HyunRalphJeong]

@@kiliandietrich8526 Hmm I'm trying with everything I have on both R and RP but doesn't seem to work. The top screen's giving me an "Err" message and the camera froze up.

[@izoyt]

this is really nice, no bs review. sene so many others, just usually hyping sony etc, but here it was really presented by user perspective, which is missed so many times. Great work and big thnx for this! will go ff probably, my 30d is really starting to show it's age, lol. Was thinking about sony, but now wuth r line etc, start to getting back to canon. I like results from sony backlight sensors more , but they really lacking in overall use, ergonomic, menus etc which in the end, is probably more important than image quality alone. It really surprised me that sony was that slow, that would bugs me a lot, for sure. Could you add some reference images from both, let say in low light, sports etc and some postprocessing done to it (lifted shadows, color corrections etc). again, realy like this. p.s. forget to ask: does r works with older canon flashes etc?

[@beneaththeblackveil7608]

Very nice camera Ralph. 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Jess

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Jessica Morales thanks :)

[@beneaththeblackveil7608]

Hyun Ralph Jeong 👍🏻👍🏻😃😃

[@MelvinDlaCruz]

Waitttttttt you use a metabone for Sony, do a new video, I use both cameras and Sony is wayy better autofocus and in video even better, I am a Canon user

[@HyunRalphJeong]

MelvinDlaCruz how do you miss the entire video and just catch that part lol all tests were done with sony 35 1.8 and 24-105 f4. The metabones testing was jist to test the adapter

[@MelvinDlaCruz]

@@HyunRalphJeong I just messing with you hahahah I now you will responde, love the video

[@HyunRalphJeong]

MelvinDlaCruz lol

[@Flyback429]

Why you test the ISO performance in day light? In the dark Sony is way better..

[@craiggagnon8407]

Basically, this dude is saying, yeah, the Sony is better here, here, here, and here...but I don't care about those things, so it doesn't matter. Fair enough I guess, but I'm not sure why we need a video for that type of personal opinion.

[@Sutterjack]

Good objective review. I can't believe Canon did not come out with duo-card slots. This was a huge disappointment for me as a Canon shooter. Plus you didn't mention it, but I think the 4k codec on the Canon still sucks, plus no full frame 4k? C'mon Canon please look at your completion and at least try to match them!

[@jjr334]

the faces on the a7 III looks ugly old and sick, instead on the Eos R looks healthy and younger

[@kishorek6027]

What a waste of time, make up your mind we watch these videos for conclusion not to be confused

[@jamesfoureight9879]

I have faith that the Eos r mkii will be the camera that will meet my needs for years to come.

[@vteconly]

I might have missed it, but what lens did you use to test the a7iii with? The Sony menu can get confusing but once I customized my buttons, I rarely, if ever have to go into the menu. Sony’s in body image stabilization, though isn’t as good as Panasonic and Nikon, is still extremely useful. I find myself hand holding a lot on wedding days. I don’t think the slower uhs i card of the a7iii is the bottle neck as I don’t think it works that way. There are a couple of KZbin videos demonstrating this.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Hello, I used the FE 35 1.8 and 24-105 f4. I saw Dan Watson’s video about the card slot speeds and I tested them too, and when I’m using both slots (uhs-ii for slot 1 and i for slot 2), the speed is pretty much identical to when I use uhs-i cards for both slots. And when I just use 1 uhs-ii card in slot 1, the buffer cleara much faster.

[@garbygarb31]

I can't trust a guy that color corrects his videos so horrible.

[@someshmishra7685]

i think that really biased as you like canon cameras.... that's useless review.

[@phileargle1799]

Excellent review. You missed an important feature that makes accessing your 12 most used menu items easy. The function button. You could have accessed your wb in two clicks. In the a7r4, you have this feature in stills and video.

[@HyunRalphJeong]

Yeah, Canon has that too but I never used it because I never needed it. But once I set everything up in the Sony and got used to it, it felt pretty good as well.

[@CheeseOnEverything]

You hit the nail on the head there with the 2 clicks comment. That is kinda why Sony is lagging behind as far as form factor. Canon has made the eos R with all of its functions at the user's fingertips, there are no menus to fiddle around with anymore. I'm using the control ring adapter with all my ef lenses and the touch bar customized as Kelvin white balance adjustment. All that together means I dont ever have to take my eye off the evf or viewfinder and can focus on shooting and get much better photos. Iso on the ring, shutter speed on index, thumb on aperture set to the mode dial and wb on the touch bar makes for the fastest adjustment on any camera to date.

[@randalllillie886]

Very well put together and your objective points are appreciated thanks.

[@kurtisca]

Awesome and fair review. Thanks for sharing this.

[@Judaswyq]

Half of the disadvantage of A7R3 is solved by A7R4, but the file just gets too big.

[@jreymus]

Yu Qi Wang ...and expensive..,

[@Judaswyq]

@@jreymus That's not Sony's problem. That's more like my problem can't afford it lol.

[@eirikTP]

thanks for the comp Ralph, what about their shutter lags?

[@mariaandbryan]

Great review here Ralph! Loved it

[@philindeblanc]

The Sony is super slow on playback of pix and if you zoom 1 to 1, its slow as well. Canon is almost instant. Sony even after years you get used to the menus by having to go through all to hunt down a feature. Sometimes you setup and dont use something for a while and good luck finding it. It might not be long as you play around, but with a client waiting, its a pain. And if buffer full, take a break until it clears. I like the Sony files due to no AA filter and large size 42mp, but the Canon files are certainly excellent as well But for work the files mean little. For me I am comparing A7R2 vs 5D3. But once you hold the 2 and try the build quality, the way it shoots and you can work with it, and the ergo,...I would grab the Canon 10 out of 10 times. I have both and use the canon in field more, and use the Sony in studio for slower jobs. Great video, and valid points!

[@naeemalmalek3925]

i think u canon user and canon lover

[@geochafg]

Will the canon r work with canon ef-s lenses?

[@hayleynorman211]

yes

[@lwanfry]

Thanks for the first honest comparison I saw between canon and sony, I actually learned a few things about the eos R that I wasn't aware about that makes me confident in waiting for another iteration of the series rather than switching to sony.

[@messsucher]

But to talk about investing into each camera system. Canon is always more careful about that parts they're putting into the new camera bodies, its like they have the 120 MP sensor, but refuses to use it because they don't believe it will "fit" with the current technology like processing chips, etc; which on the contrary for Sony, is something they would do, and thats why they had 9 different A7 in the past 7 years. So for Canon whos trying to pump out professional lens that lasts longer, especially with the advantage of their RF holy trinity, it is the right move for the long run. And considering how fast manufacturers are at updating their cameras these days, how soon will canon have the next pro mirrorless camera, particularly with the new 1DX Mark iii's spec?

[@callmedeno]

One thing I don't get about dynamic range comparisons are why it's always compared in post. If one camera has better dynamic range than another, I would want to able to see that when composing my images in the EVF or lcd screen so I can make decisions. But it seems most similar cameras (like here) have virtually the same dynamic range when composing in camera but one will be able to bring underexposed shadows up more in post. Do you ever see much a dynamic range difference in-camera without editing between products like this (or even a canon m50)?

[@eddyvanderspikken6740]

I had the EOS R but sold it very quickly since photos of BIF impossible..have now de SONY a7 iii and BIF is no problem any more... had also de fuji X-T3 and sony is a little bit better.

[@em-oh-ji3853]

I’m a Canon user and the same time I’ve got a7iii for some reason i bought it. In mu openion Sony is nice but, the screen brightness so confusing that’s the only downside so far i’ve experience.

[@frankfeng2701]

I don't agree with lens cost. I'd swap out 2 GMs for equivalent Tamron's offerings. Sony has a lot more affordable third party options from Sigma and Tamron whereas Canon RF is more isolated. Plus you can use E mount lenses on all Sony bodies whereas in Canon you'll end up stuck in one of their three mounts.

[@borethsaron8185]

Well thought and thoroughly differentiate

[@manlykscorpa]

Just picked up the A7III and DJI Ronin SC as a packaged bundle. I'm so excited to get started. For what I need the Sony is my go to

[@DetroitPostProduction]

canon auto focus is way better

[@miklosnemeth8566]

Yeah. I used to have the EOS R but I wasnt able to tolearate the gigantic 1.8x 4K crop and the no-af 720p-only 120fps. If you are on video, forget about the EOS R. Waiting for R mark II.