Canon R1 & R5 II: Internal ND Filters Confirmed?

[@markwhite9406]

We know there is room for a mechanical shutter between the sensor and lens (obviously). So remove that and use the space for filters and a shield for use when camera is shut off. Mechanical shutters are going away anyway (stacked/backlit sensor required).

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Nikon did it. There's a chance Canon could do it too. I don't get the sense that Canon will coast with the R5 II or the R1.

[@ytr8989]

You’d think this would have been in all digital cameras from day one.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Well, its been there for decades... Google cameras with internal ND filters ;)

[@Chaelaz]

This should have been in the works for ALL the manufacturers, like, a decade ago. Especially for Canon when they started appealing more and more to shooters using transitional cameras like the 7D and 5D series. The writing was on the wall that these traditional photography cameras were becoming more and more equal video camera, and in later years really videocentric. And moving more from prosumer to a lot of professionals adopting them. Sure, screw on ND filters work, but make it a bit less seamless switching from photography to video, and also less seamless use for video as well. Most prosumer camcorder and all pro cameras back in the day included built in ND. One would think that would have been a natural priority.

[@gusthecanonrebel]

Best part about built in ND’s is you won’t be limited by 3rd party glass that tends to shift WB making it harder to grade in post

[@avdpost]

The flange distance actually isn't an issue. Canon C70 already does it with the RF mount. Sure there is no IBIS, but personally I prefer the R5C choice to have it be non ibis. Very exciting.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yes. Patrick, not Peter, did a lot of work gathering the different patents. Canon didn't just spend a few months on this and file it away. They spent some time working on this for different camera bodies filing multiple patents. I'd say there's a good chance the R1 will have it, and it would be one of those features getting people to upgrade.

[@avdpost]

Honestly, if they did an R5C with an ND filter is would be incredible. But I could def see the R1 having the space for it with the prism no longer part of the equation. Could be a massive deal.@@OrdinaryFilmmaker

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's makes sense as the R5c is pretty much identical to the R5 in hardware with a few exceptions. I hope this happens. I think the probability for it in the R1 being higher than the R5...

[@altonmarsh]

I saw those postings. Of greater interest are the lightweight telephotos. ND filter use is rare for me. An internal polarizer would be my choice.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

It's still a 50/50 on this one, but the patents help propel it forward a bit in probability. What type of filters is another thing... Maybe the R1 gets better filters/.

[@jackakramer]

A software update providing lower ISOs would accomplish similar goals much more simply. Back in film days I often used 25 ASA (ISO) film in bright settings - why have 100 as the lower limit now? That would provide a few stops without the complexity of internal filters.

[@iliaskapatos]

For videos, the best DR on a R5C is with ISO 800, lowering the ISO would lower the Dynamic range, so I don't think this would be a good solution.

[@WernerBirdNature]

Because I watched the previous too late, I already discussed about this one with you before it came out 😀

[@adnmultimedia]

I just want my R5 2.0 Firmware already!

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

We all want it. but as Canon hasn't made any promises, all we have is what Canon Rumours said about a firmware update before year end...

[@gusthecanonrebel]

This would be a game changer especially for lenses that can’t use filters like wide angle lenses or even bigger front end lenses where you’d need a ridiculous sized filter just for that one application Swapping out ND’s or using VND’s are still not the answer BUT THIS IS 🔥 Canon will revolutionize the industry if this comes out for sure 🙌🏼 I personally use in body filters on my R6 Mark ii from Kolari and they fit on both the R5 and R5C. I can definitely see this working. If they want to remove IBIS for the video focused camera body im with it!

[@amermeleitor]

I had a G1X II with an internal ND filter, but it messed with white balance and my photos take a greenish look, so i avoided to use it

[@przybylskipawel]

I wonder how they are going to reconcile Variable character of the ND filter with its mechanism of putting it in and out of optic pathway... Unless this is a solid ND in which case it limits its usefulness significantly and raises question of what density we are talking about.

[@davidhartfieldphotography]

If you think back to the RF 100-300 that had no place for a drop-in filter.... it may be making more sense now.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yes. I can also think of the R1 getting better more capable filters than the R5 II as well David.

[@joeray_skrha]

Hello Simon, I have been listening and watching from the beginning. When I buy my new Canon R5-2, I will get it through you. I have a quick question... I shoot 2-3 hour live concerts for professional songwriters when I am not practicing law, fishing for salmon or writing music myself. I use to use a Canon 5DMK3 with Magic Lantern for many years till I got my Canon R5. I also bought a Ninja 5+ and loved it. I've shot 1000's of concerts. Last month, I upgraded and bought Ninja Ultra. I shoot 8K Raw 29.97 from my Canon r% into Ninja Ultra. I also record the soundboard audio with a Sound Device PreMix 3-6 and 10 and use 24 bit 192 Soundboard Audio, I master video and audio in FCPX on a MacBookPro M2. QUESTION: When I used the Canon R5 into the Ninja Ultra for the first time, The video and camera audio did not sync. Even though I recorded the Video/Audio through the camera and onto the Ninja Ultra, a 38 minute clip had the video and audio off by 2.6 seconds. In the beginning of the clip, everything lined up but at the end after 38 minutes, the singer opened her mouth and 2.6 seconds later, I heard the word she sang. This is even before I tried to sync the soundboard audio which was also off from the video. I have never seen this drifting happen before. Do you have any thoughts? Many thanks for an enjoyable program you put out. I try to never miss it. Sincerely, Joe Ray Skrha, Kenai River, Alaska...

[@BrandonTalbot]

You can totally shoot (photo) wide open on a bright sunny day if you can shoot at a high enough shutter speed. And a lot of cameras do, just not the R5 line which blows my mind. the 1/8000 that it's limited was a facepalm for sure andoObviously if you want to have a slower shutter speed yeah then you'd need an ND.

[@WestWightPhotography]

This would be a great feature for both video and photo

[@BracaPhoto]

The EF - RF adapter with ND filter is the least talked about accessory i constantly use as a photographer -- i would pay an extra $1000 on my next body to have it built in

[@THECAMERAHACKSM2]

Me personally I enjoy built in ND filters on my BM6k pro which all my cameras had it. It’s better to have and not use than to not have and need it.

[@jamesseward9263]

Hmmm, all these specs sound very exciting! But with all these new features, how much is the Canon R5 Mark II going cost us !?? 🤔

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Pricing is simple and consistent. Just take the last few models. You'll generally see the price increase go up with the rate of inflation. Also look at exchange rate bumps. I'm forecasting a price between $3899 to $4199.

[@MartyJM01]

Could you imagine if Canon had replaceable sensor blocks for mirrorless cameras? 27 meg sensor for sport and journos, high mp for landscapes/commercial and video block with ND filters etc, would be very interesting.

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

You had my curiosity. Now you have my attention.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

John, that sounds like a catchphrase! It's now my catch phase!

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I stole that from Leonardo DiCaprio as Calvin Candie in "Django Unchained". 😆

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

If you use it enough, it becomes yours ;)

[@greenlightstudios3469]

Whatever happened to the days that they had digital ND filters, I’m thinking the digital filters didn’t quite cut it

[@pal54321]

no sign of internal ssd's like hasselblad?

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

Hope it means no mechanical shutter.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

What about the option of both?

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

The future is one without the mechanical shutter the way i see it and furthermore it is one of the major causes of price depreciation on the secondary market. It would be a smart solution to instead of having a plastic "shutter" aka sensor protector like on the newest nikons to instead have an ND that automatically covers the sensor when shut down @@OrdinaryFilmmaker

[@revan.3994]

I'd welcome it anyway, and today right now I would have needed ND filters... but I left them at home in the big camera bag 🤷🏻‍♂️😂 If you have them built-in, no worries 👍🏻

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Yep, forgetting gear that is most annoying !!!

[@jgooch99]

If they do it and it works, this would be great! I guess we will have to wait and see!

[@IonelRicatti]

THERE HAS BEEN TALK THAT CANON WILL PRESENT THREE NEW CAMERAS WITH STACKED SENSOR, R1-R5 MARK II, THE THIRD IS SPEAKED TO BE AN ENHANCED R7, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER INFORMATION IN THIS REGARD WHAT IT COULD HAVE MORE THAN THE CURRENT MODEL?

[@ZE3kr]

I think a native ISO 50/64 will be more useful. For photographers, add the 1/16000 and 1/32000 shutter speed option will be enough.

[@KurtisPape]

Biggest problem with shooting video at F22 is sensor dust! It's unavoidable no matter how clean your sensor is.

[@belagaspar929]

Do you think Canon will announce the specs of the R5 Mark II before Black Friday?

[@itchylois]

Wouldn't it be easier to make their cameras go down to much lower ISOs?

[@iliaskapatos]

If the R5 MKII will have it, then I see no way that there won't come also a R5C MKII with a internal ND. This body R5C, just with added ND would make a lot of R5C users to upgrade... Now I also thought what could the R1 have, what the R5 MKII won't have. And I think insteat the BSI Stacked sensot, it will also have a DGI option to get massive better DR for videos, but this is just a thought...

[@billmartin1663]

It's all about the tradeoff. Bigger, heavier, more expensive cameras are okay so long as the added feature is something useful to the buyer. I wonder how many want / need an internal ND filter. I'm beginning to suspect there's a growing market for a "bare bones," lighter, smaller R5 just for the stills photographer. (Leica seems to be selling a lot of them. Canon COULD do it better!)

[@Tainted-Soul]

YOu dont need to spend load on filters I got a set of Kase wolverine filters at 95mm which will fit the 28-70 F2 and then just get cheap step downs for the rest 82mm etc

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

Depends on how many different thread diameters someone has and what types of filters. I personally have about $700 worth of them.

[@Tainted-Soul]

@@OrdinaryFilmmakerthe Kase pro is about £450 and thats just the fixing ring and some filters not all and no step rings most of my RF lenses have the same thread size 😁

[@lewcehjitl3282]

The R5C should have gotten those tbh. Either way very exciting news. 😊. Also been waiting for the 100k R5 give away since 2020 😅

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

If it comes to the R5 II, I'm sure it will come to the R5c II.

[@edwardphilipmarianafzger9800]

Let's hope for the Canon photographers that is becoming true ! still all other brands waiting for that !

[@mr.s2318]

If R1 have all the dna from R5, the potential of videography is unimaginable

[@jameslong1540]

Does this mean we might see a Canon R3 Mark 2?

[@johnclay7644]

informative news thanks Simon.

[@CaliforniaPhantom]

This camera is going to make me donate a ton of plasma

[@davidhartfieldphotography]

The ND filter doesn't have to be a physical thing. It would be the same if the ISO can be set super low. The ND is just to lower the light going to the sensor. A low ISO does this.

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

I mentioned that in the previous video David, but the patents clearly show a physical ND filter and multiple filters in the camera.

[@xwhite2020]

Obviously there's technical issues with sensor operation below 100.

[@ashstonk]

Well I guess no more firmware update for r5 😩🥲

[@mxtreme87]

It will be in r5c 2 not r5 and r1

[@OrdinaryFilmmaker]

You don't think it will be in the R1? Due to larger body?

[@Elemino]

R5 II? No... R5c II? Maybe

[@petersuvara]

It’s called a step up adaptor.

[@kojo6300]

You've been promising to give a R5 when you reach 100k subs. At this point canon week release a r5 mark 8 before you reach that point😊

[@Hummingbirder1]

From a non-english speaker and a not-a-photograph-expert: what the f**k is ND the abbreviation of? Edit: never mind, I Googled it. It didn't really leave me much wiser, though...

[@proudtobeindian4933]

I think if this rumors come true,then canon is going to change the gaps between cinema line cameras and mirrorless cameras. And iam waiting for these two cameras to be launched asap.