CANON R5: IPB-LIGHT vs ALL-I. DID CANON JUST CHANGE THE WHOLE GAME?

[@vatosgym]

Thank you so much, this episode was a gamechanger for me! 🔥👊🏼 I really appreciate the great videos you make on the R5, I have learned a lot and really like the way you present all that knowledge. Your video about the 5 hidden features showed me the 800-3200 dual ISO log secret, and now I can honestly say you are my Canon R5 guru! 🙂

[@oliviertorres8001]

Very useful and unexpected. But what about the performances in post production? Is IPB-light demand a significant extra power of CPU/GPU to reach the "confort" of All-I codec ? (sorry for my english).

[@YouYou_Melodia]

great test with passion to tell us the result, thank you for the information. this IPB light result is exactly i am looking for.

[@unknownKnownunknowns]

How would you rank the codecs from hardest to easiest on your computer’s ability to process?

[@asheeshkchopra]

Very useful comparison ...thanks mate!

[@WarszawskiProforma]

The best comparison of IPB vs ALL-I out there. Great work!

[@MonroesArtStudio]

Thanks for helping me out with this. I've been thinking about switching to IPB Lite for bigger projects to save space. Mainly the wedding video projects since they go for so long and can take up soo much space. Much appreciated

[@MoniJohnson]

That's great information. I can be confident about shooting in those new modes.

[@IvanCarosati]

What about the IPB vs IPB light? Does it conserve the same qualities and 10bits?

[@normangrafaviationphotogra4548]

Thanks for posting these comparisons. Really encouraging results. Seeing differences in moving scenes is really difficult so I'm wondering if you made any systematic comparisons between frame grabs of individual stills using the various codecs.

[@caseybachmeyer]

interesting would be the difference between 8k all i vs 8k ipb light.

[@caseybachmeyer]

did you shoot in clog 3? Great comparison by the way!

[@scottwright8354]

I purchased my R5 a few months ago for still photography. I've been asked to shoot a few videos recently. The first one I did a few weeks ago I didn't have a clue what I was really doing with all the options available on this camera!! So, now I'm binging on KZbin videos to get a handle on things before Friday evening and I first came across your video on dual ISO and was amazed for many reasons. Now I watched this one as I was trying to decide what format to shoot in. After watching it I started wondering how the dual ISO aspect plays into what you explained here? Specifically, I will be starting an outdoor video of a small concert in a backyard about ninety minutes before sundown. How would you recommend managing my ISO as it gets darker? I don't have a variable density filter and I think it's too late to get one by then, but may try. If you happen to see my post I'd appreciate any advice you, or anyone, could offer me. Thanks

[@FloatingOnAZephyr]

I guess it actually makes sense that a long GOP codec would average out noise more than an intraframe one, but it's all gravy!

[@maitland1007]

I would hope that 8k ipblight would look better than 4k all-I when pixel peeping, not the same.

[@martinekwall4671]

Thanks for the video? How is IPB light to work with in post. Is it more or less taxing on the computer? I’m not sure what program you work with?

[@DeafDirector]

It's about the same. At this stage of the game I just create proxies for everything and roll from there. Thanks for the comment

[@mgvinod2k]

excellent !!! good job and awesome presentation.

[@ItsTomRich]

This was really helpful, thanks!

[@ByStephenJones]

Regular 4K? Not HQ?

[@janscott602]

Does it matter when you convert to ProRes for grading? Can you push the IPB.

[@TimLucasdesign]

I get the IPB footage is smaller and looks just as good but what about editing? Can you push ALL-I more? does it have more dynamic range etc?

[@DeafDirector]

I haven't noticed any real differences in dynamic range. If you are in a situation where you have to do an extreme push (for instance if a shot is 3 stops underexposed) you will tell a small difference. But I have personally found, that if the shots are properly exposed when captured, I really can't tell a difference. Have a great day!

[@TimLucasdesign]

@@DeafDirector Thanks for the reply - much appreciated. I have an R5 coming and I am very excited.

[@FlashGun_574]

Curious to see how manipulatable it is versus IPB. Sometimes I shoot and record seminars in the color could be a little better or it could be a little brighter and I usually do a little bit of fixing in post. How's it handling grading?

[@DeafDirector]

I find that it grades really well as long as you don't have to push it too far.

[@youssefelsafoury1453]

adobe premiere pro 2022 didn’t read my 4k videos that i had shot with my r6 when i imported them, they read it audio only so, I had to change the format "codec" of my videos by "videopro converter" but the Quality decreased idk what to do, if you can help. btw it’s macbook pro m1

[@leejoshua15]

would you say the ALL-I is sharper?

[@neighborsgoat]

Great videos; as a fresh R5 owner subscribed today, to keep up & learn tips and tricks for my new gear. So, here's my problem: Invested in the camera, yet the PC I'm currenty using is quite old, therefore cannot process and color correct RAW video files, especially under DaVinci Resolve. So I am forced - at least for a while - to work with compressed files. Therefore please, would you recommend us a "flat" picture style setting mode (or a custom combination of sharpness, contrast etc) which will still allow us to get the most color correction when working with an mp4 (meaning compressed) file? I hope my request makes sense, as English is not my native language. Thanks in advance.

[@DeafDirector]

Great question. Just make sure you shoot in CLog or CLog3 to give you the most dynamic range that you can edit with later.

[@Distphoto]

Thanks for making this, very usefull!

[@mcphotographynymariocastro6313]

Is there any color difference once you need to color grade, between both ?

[@DeafDirector]

They both grade almost identical unless you are really pushing the grade very hard. I would also recommend using ALL-I if you are going to be doing any type of green screen or compositing, but as long as you capture a proper exposure, for 98% of what you shoot, you will not really be able to tell any difference between the two. Have a great day!

[@ByStephenJones]

If this was 4K HQ I don’t think you’d see a difference with 8K much, but if it is 4K HQ you’ll see a HUGE difference compared to 1080 cause of line skipping… so not sure if it’s HQ or not for these tests

[@unknownKnownunknowns]

@1:50, what frame rate did you use for these one minute duration files? Helps us get a sense of gigs used per minute of recording at different settings. Thank you!

[@DeafDirector]

All videos were shot at 23.98 fps. Have a great day!

[@unknownKnownunknowns]

@@DeafDirector Thank you!

[@rayb3000]

great job!! thanks :)

[@charliemotion2819]

Hi there ! Do you know if the R5 get ride of overheat issue, or manage to get less heat with IPB-Light ?

[@DeafDirector]

Hey Charlie, this firmware updated did not really touch on the overheating issues on the R5 in 8K or 4KHQ. However, it you shoot normal 4K, you can get very long record times, with no problem. I have been able to have my Canon R5 on and shooting in normal 4K IPB-Light for several hours, with no issues.Thanks for the comment

[@charliemotion2819]

@@DeafDirector Thank you for your answer ! What about the 4k-non HQ / 60 fps if you need many ~10/20 seconds takes in a day like weddings ?

[@DeafDirector]

@@charliemotion2819 I recently shot a commercial, where about 80% of the shots where standard 4K at 60fps, and I was able to shoot on the camera over the course of 12 hours and only had the camera overheat on me once. I switched over to my GH5 and I was able to get back on my R5 it within 10 minutes. For a wedding, I'd probably be a little more nervous. You can't ask people to wait for your camera to cool down on those days. I think you could do it, but I would defintiely have a second body of some sort with me. It's a unfortunate reality with the R5 that the 60fps, will eventually overheat. Good luck

[@josephboateng4037]

@@DeafDirector I do appreciate you putting this video out there for us. I have really learned something new with R5. Concerning 4K overheating, I think if you shoot in 4K non-HQ mode at @60p using NinjaV, R5 will not overheat. Have you tried that, Sir?

[@DeafDirector]

@@josephboateng4037 thanks so much for the tip. I found that in my real world experience when I shoot standard 4K (non 4KHQ) at 60fps I am usually doing work that requires me to pretty consistently have to access my LCD or viewfinder which leads to overheating, even if I am using my Ninja V+. That being said, standard 4K at 24fps has never overheated on me, even when I had the R5 recording an interview for more than 4 hours straight. I appreciate the insight and I hope you have an awesome day

[@RawLobst3r]

Can you run the 4K HQ and 8K IPB-Lite to a v60 SD card? I think It was only 8K raw that required a CFExpress but was curious what you were shooting to?

[@DeafDirector]

Hey Ky, I have been using my 512 GB CFExpress card for almost all of my shooting, so I am not sure. I will try and do some tests on my SD Cards to figure out what you can get away with. Thanks for the comment.

[@RawLobst3r]

Deaf Director Right on man! Appreciate it. I think based on the manual a v60 should cover most formats v90 for a few and CFExpress is technically only needed for 8K raw. But first hand experience is always preferred before investing in media.

[@timelesscreations777]

I actually was shooting 8k on my R5 today.. the crazy thing was it was on card number two which is my smaller card not my CF EXPRESS but my SD card uhs-2. The video put 8k to the card? I thought we could only use CF Express

[@KaiTiura]

@@timelesscreations777 WHAT???

[@timelesscreations777]

@@KaiTiura yeah I double checked it and you can do 8K IPB but not 8KALL-I...BUT it works

[@poldivina27]

hello, does ipb light can still be 10bit?

[@DeafDirector]

Hey pol divina, the way the Canon R5 works is that anytime you use CLOG or CLOG3 the camera is automatically shooting in 10 Bit. I graded both ALL-I and IPB-Light with exactly the same grade and they held up nearly identical which also confirms (for me) that the IPB-Light is 10bit. Thanks so much for the comment and I hope you have a great day!

[@poldivina27]

@@DeafDirector thanks for the info!

[@24framestime]

Hi! Does 8K IPB overheat the R5 ?

[@DeafDirector]

8K in any version is guaranteed to overheat the R5.

[@24framestime]

@@DeafDirector 😭 Doesn’t change recording times with a ninja though?

[@DeafDirector]

@@24framestime It does. I am actually doing a whole other round of tests this week. So stay tuned and I'll hopefully get the video up on Monday

[@KaiTiura]

@@DeafDirector yeah, recording with the Ninja V removes all the recording time limits as far as I know. I'm thinking about the Ninja V+ so I can record 8K straight to the Ninja where I have more space, and considering this jump in possible content in the same file size, I'm jacked to see how this ends up.

[@DeafDirector]

@@KaiTiura The 8K RAW is beautiful, just be aware that the V+ can ONLY record 8K RAW, no 8K in any non-RAW format, and you cannot record 4K/120fps from the R5 to the V+ either. Just make sure you buy a big SSD. Thanks for the comment and have a great day!

[@AustentatiousProductions]

Less noise because it’s softened the image.

[@ByStephenJones]

Very noticeable in the highlights… that’s it for me.. but in the shaddows…

[@docteja2374]

great content..subscribed..

[@DeafDirector]

Thanks so much, Docteja! I appreciate the comment and hope you have a great day!

[@AndrewKuttor]

Hey man, recently started watching your videos... I run a camera gear related channel called 'Power of Drew' and I flip through camera systems a lot. My A-Cam though doesn't switch which is the Canon C70. That said, I ended up selling the a7s3 because I HATED the color science, and get the Canon R5 tomorrow. How has the overheating issues bothered you? I do not run long-form content. And if I did, my C70 would do so... but as. B-Cam. What are your thoughts?

[@DeafDirector]

Always great to hear from another content creator, I know how much work you put into your channel! This is a great question with a complicated answer. I actually really love my R5 for video, but there is definitely a learning curve in figuring out how much you can push and get out of the camera in regards to overheating. As a dedicated B-Cam that you would be using in short dedicated bursts, paired with a C70 I think this will be a great combo. The R5 autofocus actually is a little better than the c70 and c300 mk3, so you will probably really like that. The image quality is great in 4KHQ, and depending what you need as B Cam applications the Standard 4K might work for you, too. In my real world applications, I have found that I can usually work around the overheating issues, but I have still found myself frustrated a number of times when the camera needs me to wait 10 minutes to shoot. I have found huge improvements in overheat times in the way I shoot with firmware 1.4.0 which lets me set Stanby:Low Res. The other thing about the R5 as a potential B Cam is that if you are okay with standard 4k (not 4KHQ) it will NEVER overheat on you in 24 or 30fps. If I were you, I would do some real world camera tests to see if the Standard 4K can work for your BCam footage, because that would save huge overheat worrying for you. I have actually shot a number of professional jobs with Standard 4k, and my clients were always happy, and I never had to worry about losing the camera to overheating on a shoot. All in all, I think the R5 would be a great BCam to a C70. I hope that helps, thanks so much for the comment and have a great day!

[@AndrewKuttor]

​@@DeafDirector Fantastic response. As a content creator myself, I make responding to my little community top priority, so when I see other channels doing the same it absolutely makes me smile. Thanks. That said, I do not do a ton of vlogging for my stuff, however my plan of action is here: 4k Standard: Vlogging shots, the typical walk-in-talk stuff. Also for filler shots, potentially for any long-form running content, as a second angle for the c70. 4k HQ: In studio, in house, talking head stuff for another camera angle to the c70 4k 120: Obviously for the slo-mo goodness when needed... I dont do a ton of this. Very seldom. But use it when I need to . Bottom line: I got the A7s3 because I assumed it would be a perfect pairing to the c70, since "on paper" its a beast, and fills in the size gaps that the c70 unfortunately is a little to large to use. I however, find the IQ to be "clinical" or too clean maybe? Too digital? Also as stated before, I HATED the color science... which I dont want to spend hours color grading to match the beautiful C70 IQ. Follow-up question: Have you tried doing a tiny bit of post sharpening to the standard 4k? Obviously riding that fine line before it gets too digital looking? Finally: From one content creator to another... THANK YOU for your time and effort making these videos... I find our genre of KZbin is the most time-consuming because we care so much about the quality of the content we are producing.

[@AndrewKuttor]

P.S. Forgot to also ask. What about IPB-Light? Did that improve overheating at all? And, have you tried using a battery grip? My thoughts would be that maybe since the battery isn't slotted directly into the camera that maybe the BG-R10 might help a little?

[@DeafDirector]

@@AndrewKuttor I haven't noticed any overheating difference with the CODECs, but the battery grip may help out. The biggest culprit I found in the overheating was the LCD and EVF, but it can't hurt to try the dummy grip.

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

Is it really an impressive codec if you cant see the difference between 8k and 4k lol. There was some irony in that excitement.

[@DeafDirector]

Ha, ha. It's the Cuban in me, I get excited very easily. Have a great day!

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

@@DeafDirector No I'm saying there's irony in that you can't tell that the 8k is a higher resolution than 4k, which defeats the point of 8k in my eyes. I love your channel and tone. I have an R5, and honestly I'm surprised at how little of a difference 8k vs 4k HQ is when at 400% and IPB for both. I think the difference between 8k raw and 8k IPB is bigger than the difference between 8k IPB and 4k HQ IPB. Love your content, and watched your vids before I got the R5 actually. You show it off well and are more practical than others!

[@DeafDirector]

@@CanditoTrainingHQ Gotcha! The quality of that 4kHQ downsampling that 8k Sensor is nice. Where I have personally been find ing the role of the 8K comes in (because the quality is so similar to the 4kHQ) is when I have a client that wants me to deliver photography and video for a job. The nice thing about the 8K is that it is the equivalent of about a 36MP photo, so if I am tight on time, it's nice knowing I can double up and get print size stills from my video capture. I still try to capture my photos separately, but there have been some times (in tight schedules) that this method has saved the day. Have fun out there shooting!

[@tqaproduction]

Honestly?