Canon R7: ISO Shootout: Testing the R7 vs. R5, 90D and 7D mark II

[@GlennBartley]

I hope some of you find this video and the sample files helpful. Cheers!

[@seanc8054]

the quality of your videos is really awesome, and the info and content is as well, i really enjoyed this one, i have a 90D (i still barely know how to take photos of anything, i'm only just now starting to figure out what focus peaking is all about)

[@missourilandpro6482]

I'm looking to get another body - currently have the 90D - and have been considering the R5 - until this R7 came about.... in your Iso test, did you use the same lens for each camera? it also appeared to my eye the 90D had less focus than the R7 - maybe it was just me - Thanks for the Video

[@Alsmir]

@@missourilandpro6482 I have just switched from 90D to R7 and did some intense testing this weekend. If you have R7 available in nearby stores and can sell your 90D at reasonable price, don't hesitate. It's worth it just for the AF alone, but R7 seems to be a real bargain for that price. My only complain so far is the battery charge status display which seems to be inaccurate and my camera went from ~50% charge to dead in just a few minutes. Other than that, I'm super happy with this purchase.

[@GlennBartley]

@@missourilandpro6482 yes all with the same lens on tripod

[@missourilandpro6482]

@@Alsmir - Thanks

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

Thanks, Glenn. For the past 2 years, I have used an R7, mostly with an RF 100-500, which make an exquisite combination for birding. I upgraded from the M6 II, the mirrorless version of your 90D, and I agree with your conclusions. With the release of the R5 mark II, I am now looking at the original R5 as a further step up from the R7. So your comparison is helpful. I am however worried about the loss of both reach and resolution (megapixels on the subject) with the full frame R5, particularly for small birds that flit about. From most reports, I understand that the R5 has more accurate bird-eye tracking AF, but to be honest, I don't see this as an issue because I only have my R7, and I'm very pleased with it. With DxO to clean up the CRAW files, I also have not been troubled by high ISO noise. Thanks again for a still useful comparison.

[@justinholding02]

Interesting. But I personally think that both DSLR’s missed focus. Also to make things look more even. I suggest downsampling both the 90D and R7 to the same megapixel size then comparing noise and detail. I’m pretty sure the R5 will stand out with better overall quality.

[@B.D.TRX4]

What is the megapixel size of the 90D vs R7 ?

[@cropperson5583]

I received my R7 today... and then this video. Very useful and timely!

[@GlennBartley]

Great to hear!

[@Philtho]

This is a good video. Real world ISO is what some of us were looking for. Lab videos make sense when you have literally hundreds of cameras to test over decades, everything will be compared equally. You can't really go to the same log in the woods and get the exact same lighting over the span of 20 years. Anyway, thanks for spending the time. Noise is noise, and sometimes I leave it as is because I like the pattern it adds to a photo, and other times you don't. But - I think it's fair to say the R7 is fine. I rarely shoot over 3200, I'm out in the sun and when I'm in the shadows I'm hunting for slivers of light or I just don't shoot. That's just me tho.

[@eastbay40386]

This is the youtube I have been waiting for. Thanks Glenn.

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@Macewin40]

I love when wildlife photographer youtubers start their videos by walking up to the camera in the forest like they stumbled across it.

[@peterb.7437]

From Seattle with love, cool video. I bought my R7 with Camera Canada and from London Ontario CA to Seattle WA arrived in just 4 days after ordering. Very fast shipping and awesome customer service.

[@GlennBartley]

Great to hear. Well done Camera Canada!

[@jamesbrown59]

Very helpful video Glenn! It looks like you beat Jan to the punch talking about the R7. I'm really looking forward to the two of you discussing the pros and cons and comparing the R7 to other Canon cameras. As someone on the wrong side of 70, who started out with the old A1 35mm Canon film camera (and was astonished when Fugi Film came out with 1600 speed film) it is incredible how far manufacturers have come in letting us create images and movies. Thanks so much for all you do to educate us.

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers James. Glad you found it useful!

[@MrBarrettlawson]

Thanks Glenn. I downloaded your files and had a play with them. This is extremely encouraging for me. After downsampling all the images to the size of the R5 file, and running them all through Topaz DeNoise, the R7 came out looking really similar to the R5 file IMO. They both retained significantly more detail than the 7Dii or 90D. I can't wait to get my hands on my R7!

[@GlennBartley]

Awesome!

[@davepastern]

Thanks for this post Barrett. I was really negative about the high ISO performance of the R7, but it seems I was very wrong in my assertions pre launch (and happily so!). The R7 will be on my shopping list, but not for some time as other things take precedence (used 500mm F4 IS L (mark 1) and gimbal). I have ageing 1D, 1D Mark IIn and 60D cameras with outdated AF performance vs the modern mirrorless designs.

[@AashutoshSahu]

Hey, Glenn! I saw your viral video titled (Canon R7: ISO Shootout: Testing the R7 vs. R5, 90D and 7D mark II) which has 29K views. I liked this video a lot, after that I watched a lot of your videos and I think your video is addictive.

[@GlennBartley]

Glad you enjoyed this one!

[@AashutoshSahu]

@@GlennBartley You are very talented in your profession, but I'm sad cuz you are not getting the praise you deserve, I can see your talent. But why can't people see🙃

[@Rex-qx5bf]

Thanks for the info. I know how much work these videos are and I appreciate the knowledge transfer. I hope to be getting an R5 soon (once I convince the wife). I'm using the 7D MK II exclusively now - it's an old friend but I'm noticing more and more missed shots an R5 would have captured. Then I'll need to decide which body to use as a backup, I could keep the 7D but probably the R7. Take care, I hope to see you again in a future workshop.

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks Rex. Would be great to connect again!

[@sswildlifevideos]

Great video Glenn, thanks for providing the files as well!

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers!

[@zih5903]

Thanks Glenn. That's a very helpful comparison. Cheers

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers!

[@GaryHughesOfficial]

Thank you for the video, Glenn! I was wondering what you are using for your audio, the vox sound great.

[@dankvitka5638]

Thx Glenn for your post. I just received an R7 and so far very impressed. Love the focus engine.

[@GlennBartley]

Glad to hear it Dan!

[@nilanjan160]

Excellent and useful video. Thank you for making it. Yes, even in the raw files shown by Imaging Resource, the remarkable improvement in noise for a APSC that is seen in the R7, is really stunning and a pleasant surprise from Canon, who is not helping wildlifers, at least with lenses, as Nikon is doing

[@rovleculina8237]

Great video, straight to the point and tested in a real life situation. I couldn't agree more with you on the subject of testing the ISO in particular conditions, it seems to me that many people are unaware of how tough it can be photographing in a dark rainforest on an overcast day under a thick canopy, it can be quite challenging and you often push your camera capabilities to the extremes. Much appreciated!

[@GlennBartley]

Glad you liked it!

[@harrisongould9460]

I listened...I downloaded...I compared and I also SUBSCRIBED. I ordered the R7 mainly as a backup to my 2-R6s and for 'its reach'/file size. The noise at 3200 is fine and with a little 'twist' from Lightroom, at 6400, the R7 is fine. When it's all said and done, it's all about the image anyway. Thanks for your review.

[@GlennBartley]

Glad to hear it was helpful! 😎

[@popcornparam]

This was the exact video I was waiting for thanks man

[@tokyorose1123]

Thanks so much for this. Have been really looking forward to seeing what you, Jan, and Duade think of the camera in real world scenarios. Living in Vancouver, your tests hit a lot closer to home than the results from the Australian Outback will. But really happy with the results you’ve shown here.

[@DavidJones-yu9ky]

For those of us not familiar with Jan? and Duage? Can anyone share their links? thanks

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks Brandon.

[@tokyorose1123]

@@DavidJones-yu9ky absolutely, Jan Wegener and Duade Paton. kzbin.info/door/oU0PYNZQXRhFrDdffDCVhQ kzbin.info

[@duilioschinner4875]

Hi Glenn. If you have the opportunity to buy a R7 or a DX mark ii in the same price. What would be your selection for bird photography?

[@GlennBartley]

Definitely the R7. DSLRs are dead to me 🤣

[@garyknight3019]

Thanks Glenn... Excellent real world comparison

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers!

[@OskariVähätalo-s4x]

Would you still recommend the 90d for a beginner bird photographer? It has pretty good image quality right? I thought of buying it and a Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary with it.

[@lb7144]

Yes but if you can find the R7 at a good price then grab it. I have the 90D and love it. But you can’t escape the R7 has better/newer hardware (sensor) & software. You can adapt your EF/EF-S lenses onto the R7 without any loss in functionality or image quality. I have an R6MKII and I adapt some of my EF lenses onto it.

[@zaneshantz298]

Just the review I was waiting for! Good to know the R7 image quality does well in high iso settings. And that sharpness on the R7 looks really good too, I'm always having trouble getting tack sharp shots with my 7D 2. Looks like I now know what my next camera is gonna be!

[@doghouseriley4732]

The high ISO shots of the R7 are barely any better than the 90D, not surpising considering they use the same sensor. When the 90D failed to ship the units that Canon expected, they probably had a load of sensors left over. The 90D sensor was barely better than the 7D Mk2. That's one of the reasons that people did not switch from the 7D Mk2 to the 90D. Be very careful getting rid of your 7D Mk2, it is properly weather sealed, built like a tank, you can shoot for over 5 seconds without hitting the buffer (not 1 second) and is a proven camera. The R7 is a camera that was rushed out because Sony caught Canon cold uses old tech and is not properly weather sealed, like the 90D.

[@GlennBartley]

@@doghouseriley4732 Yes the R7 looks to hit a certain price segment of the market. And has some cool features. But I really wish it had been $2500 and more like a 7D 2

[@doghouseriley4732]

@@GlennBartley It's like having a 20 year old Porsche 911 v a new Porsche Boxter. The Boxter looks great but it's just style over substance

[@eimajm]

Thanks Glenn been waiting for your noise opinion on this, looking forward to getting my hands on one.

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers Jamie!

[@tibtechtalks]

Thanks for your helpful test. The R7 looks like no regret buying it, but I am still waiting for Jan and your full R7 review.

[@GlennBartley]

Coming soon!

[@wolfgangjaekel9952]

Thank you Glenn, comparing the R7 to the 7d2, 90D and R5 is exactly the test many are waiting for, me included. I have the R5 and the 7d2 which has been my main bird and wildlife camera for years. The additional reach and especially the eye-AF are very big points in favor of the R7 the more as the high ISO noise even seems slightly better compared to the other cameras according to your test. However, the lack of a grip, extremely small buffer, noisy mechanical shutter vs serious rolling effect and wobbling background in consecutive shots in electronic shutter mode (at least from what I've seen in other tests) make it a tough decision for me. Some report a jumpy AF in busy backgounds, too. Moreover, I'm also not sure if the R7's ruggedness and weather sealing is sufficient for taking the camera to demanding enviroments such as the Arctic etc. I'm travelling to Tanzania in October where dust is said to be a big problem and I'm really struggling with the decision to take the R7 for more reach and excellent Eye-AF or better rely on my 7D2 and R5 in crop mode. As for noise, maybe Dxo Pureraw and Topaz Denoise could level the somewhat better noise characteristics of the R7 compared to the 7d2. So I'm still undecided to go for the R7. Anyway, I'm looking forward in your comprehensive test and comparison. BTW, I had already commented this 2 days ago here. But strange enough, my comment is "vanished" ;-) ;-) Wolfgang

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks for the comment. Not sure why it would have vanished?

[@wolfgangjaekel9952]

@@GlennBartley I don't know either and just was wondering. It was there after pushing the comment button but gone on the next day. There was nothing controversial or against the rules. I'm glad the second comment is here now, so no big deal. Wolfgang

[@jeromeThailande]

it seems to have much less noise than the 90d ,so it's a winner

[@karlasalyer323]

Great review Glenn. I still use my 5dM4 as a backup, loving my R5. I wanted to say that I received my book "Hummingbirds" yesterday. I pre-ordered from the publisher. What an amazing book! I've only just thumbed through the pages but the photos are outstanding! I bought the prosets a few months back and now I use them on every photo as a start to post processing. I look forward to your adventures, and the Bird Photography Show! You are a great inspiration! Thank you!

[@GlennBartley]

Hi Karla. Thank you so much for such nice words. We really appreciate you!

[@markrigg6623]

Just regarding Adobe's processing of the raw files, they look noisier because you're not seeing the true raw file. It's had all this sharpening and contrast added to the file in the background, even though it's not showing you those adjustments on the sliders or the tone curve. These are whats bringing out the noise more. But if you know how to reverse all these hidden adjustments suddenly the files look as good as in Canon's own raw converter. Adobe have copped considerable flak for this, and rightly so, but its amazing how many pro photographers are not aware of it. When you revert to an older process version of lightroom or camera raw, you can now see the hidden adjustments and reverse them. Then with everything zeroed out you change back to the current process version and you now have the raw file. It's a bit geeky, but when I learned about this it completely changed my IQ in lightroom. Just my 2 cents worth for those who care about having full control of their images.

[@GlennBartley]

Are you saying you have 2 versions of Adobe loaded so that you can use the old conversion engine? More details please!

[@markrigg6623]

@@GlennBartley The process version is in the camera calibration tab. You have to revert to process version 2. I'll send you a link later when I get time to find it that shows how to do a "process version swap", and the whole sequence then gets saved as a preset.

[@dorianetcetera2264]

Hey there I bought the 5d mark iv and was wondering if it’s a good camera

[@philippelang.photographie]

Thanks for the video Glenn, it's exactly what I was waiting for. When I saw your 90D pictures, I had the feeling your body+lens needed an AF fine-tuning. It looks pretty soft, no? Of course, fine-tuned or not fine-tuned has no effect on the noise, which is the subject of your video. But it gives the impressions a 90D is not really good. (Note that I'm a happy R5 owner, but I owned a 90D previously)

[@GlennBartley]

Yes 90D and R5 are two very different animals ;-)

[@philippelang.photographie]

@@GlennBartley Yes, but dont't you think your 90D & lens couple need an AF fine-tune, in order to achieve a good comparison?

[@doghouseriley4732]

@@GlennBartley Buthey have the same noisy sensor, so all good :)

[@카터-b3w]

Hello. I love this video. Thank you very much. I currently have an R7. Your video helpde me a lot.

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks for watching!

[@vergloriani3647]

Hi Glenn! Im lucky enough to have my R7 on the first batch of delivery. I was shooting landscape and pretty new to bird photography. Im happy that R7 handles the noise quite well. Most of the time I shoot also inside the forest, urban forest actually here at lower mainland particularly here in Surrey, BC. ISO 1600 to 3200 are almost like no noise after using the Denoise. Not to mention is the Animal Eye AF! Its a game changer for me because I was using an R before. Thanks for the video and hoping to watch more about R7! Cheers!

[@GlennBartley]

Glad to hear your results!

[@doghouseriley4732]

I shoot macro at 3200 on a 7D Mk2, and DxO can clean the noise from that. My advice keep it away from rain, dust or sand.

[@TonyGrant.]

That was very instructive. Comparing the images at 100% is imperative. I think the comparison between the R7 and the 90D was very encouraging. I have a 7D2 and was very pleased to see the R7 absolutely slay it! I'd love to see some shots where you lighten the shadows in camera RAW.

[@davidburton2294]

Brilliant video. Exactly what we need to know. I have the 90D bought it for half the price of the R7. Using my Canon 400mm 5.6 L. Would be interested to see what the denoise image of the 90D looked like. Well done enjoy you and Jan's videos!

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers David. Definitely get DXO pure raw and Topaz denoise AI. Amazing software!!!

[@manoj_kumarapathiravasam3834]

Great video and best one thus far available in my humble opinion, specially for bird photographers. Can’t wait for the full review on autofocus performance in comparison to R5 and the impact on modest buffer, viewfinder blackout and the adequacy of the viewfinder quality

[@GlennBartley]

I'll try to get something out soon!

[@claritovirata3504]

Glenn Thanks for the video I’m looking at the Fuji HX2s with the Fuji lens 150-600mm combo as my back up for handle for my R5 and EF 600mm Mk ll. Since I do have the 90d and 7dmk ll. What do you think of the Fuji if only the R 7 has a BSI sensor I’ll buy it in heart bit. Thanks and stay safe.

[@GlennBartley]

I'd have a really hard time using two different brands personally...

[@Kkkk-yz7dl]

Between 5d iv and R7 wich better for wedding photo sessions and short clips??

[@manmohangour368]

Hey Glenn, I'm 18 years old bird photographer and i started bird photography 8 months ago and i use canon sx70 point and shoot But now i want more so I'm thinking of buying the canon r7 with ef 100-400mm mk2 Is this combo enough ? For long term ...

[@lb7144]

Yes - this match up should hold you for a while. Jared (KZbinr) has demonstrated adapted EF lenses onto R bodies. The gear worked great together.

[@colombiaeasytravels8869]

awesome, thanks for share all your knowledge , fantastic new things are coming!🎉

[@GlennBartley]

Saludos amigo!

[@martinstocks8992]

great vid m8 but im more concerned about the shutter noise sounds terrible to loud and how long it will last before its back at canon i now with the 90d great specs but insides cheap build thanks enyway

[@GlennBartley]

Yes I hate the mechanical shutter sound....build quality overall seems more like a rebel than 7D

[@tysonator5433]

Thank you Glenn for the review as I do have a R7 on order to replace my 7Dii. I was hoping that canon addresses the high noise issue concerns of the tweaked 90D sensor in the R7. My main reason for the R7 is the eye / object AF tracking which is a game changer, and plus the price makes it very affordable. With the free adapter I can utilise all my canon EF L glass !

[@GlennBartley]

Definitely be sure to get DXO pure raw when you get the camera. It will solve a lot of the noise issues.

[@Harald787]

@@GlennBartley is DXO Pure Raw also great for the older 7D Mk II? Is this better than ON1 No Noise Ai that I currently use? Thanks for the great comparison, currently thinking to replace my old but great 7D Mk II with the R7.

[@TheWildlifeGallery388]

@@Harald787 - I too use ON1 - I can tell you Dxo does a much better job with my raw files (I use a Canon 90D) - about 95% of the time, I have had some where ON1 out performed DXO, not sure why, my experience is that DXO is a much better program.

[@Harald787]

@@TheWildlifeGallery388 thanks for the info, perhaps I will get Pure Raw myself to test it against ON1.

[@tonywiseman7542]

what's happened to the bird photography show and Jan's channel. very informative and visually outstanding.

[@johnjuby6184]

I received your comment about DXO and have gotten on their email notices list hoping through that I'll hear when they have included our R7's. I have started your photoshop course. It's great. Perhaps I'll figure it out myself but I am confused about one thing, how all the add-ons like Topaz and DXO are melded into the post processing sequence of events plus other segments like Bridge, etc. Thank you and please take your time responding, Glenn. I am fully immersed in it all for now.

[@GlennBartley]

So basically you dont need bridge unless you want to keyword images. I use DXO on RAWs....then process the exported DNG in ACR.....Then on in to photoshop for the workflows I teach in my course. Cheers!

[@MMB.__]

Hi Glenn. Would you get a R5 over a 1dx Mark III?

[@hanskellynogua7110]

Does the R7 have an inbuilt flash as compared to 90D?

[@Jessehermansonphotography]

I have the R7 on preorder and I was getting cold feet today. This definitely put my mind at some ease.

[@GlennBartley]

Glad to help!

[@JDon8110]

Great comparison thanks. Noise comparison good, but a little hard to compare definition/sharpness as 90d is focused it a slightly different place than the others. Its tiny but when we are splitting hairs like this... you can see it in the tiny sticks in amongst the moss. different ones are in focus on different images

[@RichieColemanSr]

Good video. What's your thoughts on the R7. I have the Canon 90D and want to make it my 2nd body, and I'm looking for a main body (Mirrorless)

[@alansach8437]

The big question is, can we get our hands on an R7 before the R7 ii comes out? The timespan between release date and actual availability on these new cameras is such lately that I almost feel like I should get a discount. After watching months of reviews before I get my camera I feel like I'm buying "last year's model", dated technology as it were.

[@bjrn-einarnilsen687]

Great video Glenn. I am still waiting before deciding if i will buy the r7, or use the extra money and the r5. For me a battery grip is important, and as i have understood, there will probably not be one for the r7, but maybe i am wrong. Anyway, it's great to see that the r7 is that much better than the 7d mk ii when it comes to noise. That's the camera i use now. Thanks again for this video, and have a great week. Cheers, Bjoern

[@GlennBartley]

If you can save up a bit for the R5 I definitely think it is worth it. Much more versatile oevrall.

[@bjrn-einarnilsen687]

@@GlennBartley Thanks a lot for the advise. Guess thats the right thing to do. Will be exiting to see what they will do if there comes a R7 mk II. Maybe that will be a bit more advanced camera. Wish they could have made a pro grade aps-c with buildt in grip, and stacked sensor.

[@alansach8437]

@@bjrn-einarnilsen687 They "could" have made that camera, but it would have cost three grand and there probably wouldn't be much of a market for it. I'm just guessing of course, but I think if most people are going to spend $2,500.00 or $3,000.00 for a camera they want full frame.

[@jeffolson4731]

Thanks for providing the sample images. I will be shooting is very similar lighting conditions so these were very helpful. My R7 arrives tomorrow so it was nice to see what my new workflow will be like. I opened these files in Affinity Photo (AP), Topaz DeNoise, and also DPP4. As expected AP struggled since Apple doesn't have a raw image engine for this camera yet. Topaz DeNoise did fine, but the denoise affect was too strong at default setting, but I like to make any required exposure corrections prior to using Topaz. DPP4 left a little noise at default settings which I actually preferred. DPP4 had the best color and overall balance without me having to make any adjustments. In fact the 25600 R7 file looked fine right out of DPP4. For now it appears my workflow will be to use DPP4 and save the files as .tif and do my edits in AP. I know DPP4 has its limitations but right now it handles these files better than my other options.

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers Jeff. Thanks for sharing your workflow.

[@richardnadeau7882]

Hi Glenn. Thanks for this detailed test. Like Rex (below) I have been shooting with the 7D MarkII waiting for an appropriate upgrade that fits my budget. Don't see the 7d shots in the zip file. Only the xmp files for the 7D. How does the 7D compare to the other 3 cameras? This might affect my upcoming camera purchase.

[@GlennBartley]

I'm pretty confident the 7D files are in the zip file. Please try to dnld again. Cheers!

[@richardnadeau7882]

Thanks Glenn. Downloaded and extracted again and the 7D files are there now. Not sure how that could have happened. Thanks again for this great comparison!!

[@AlekseyTkachenok]

Great work!

[@dkastura]

Hi i have one more qustion: is theree a noticable diference compairing evf size with the R5 ?

[@GlennBartley]

I didnt notice....but would have to check side by side

[@fgb3126]

Glenn I did find it odd that you did not tell us what lens you were using. I saw your set up with the cameras paired to what looked like a monster prime lens, but what lens? and if prime, what focal length?

[@GlennBartley]

600mm f/4 Doesn't really affect noise...

[@johnjuby6184]

Thank you, Glenn. I was concerned about the R7 ISO question too. I have an R6, R7 and loved my old 7DMKII. I viewed this with my Ben Q hi res monitor with accurate color so could see well your noise show. I think it tells the story very well thanks to the extensive effort you put into it. I think our R7's have erased the worry we had. I wouldn't expect more for the price. Also, I'm dumping Lightroom and its complex file structure requirements and going straight Photoshop after resisting for a long time. I'll take a look at your ebook. Already have Jan's course. I'll need Topaz. Any other recommendations?

[@GlennBartley]

You definitely need DXO pure Raw once they update it to include the R7. It is an absolute must these days. Link is up in the description.

[@mmcmw2]

In my case, capture one is the best for real world, i do weddings, i tried pure raw but it fail with a lots of files (my computer is very powerful). C1, give me the betters results with high iso. Pure raw is amazing, but only for i few pics, inmo.

[@MosleydollMUA]

Hi, I’ve stumbled down the rabbit hole of wanting to replace/upgrade my camera. I currently have a (now discontinued) canon 200d which was perfect for my first ever camera. Mainly used for video and some photography. Now I’m really , really REALLY needing some advice … deciding whether to go for canon 90d, canon mark 5d iv, or canon R7 . The R7 looks attractive to me because of : the autofocus capabilities and the newer technology that come with mirrorless , I’m scared because of not knowing how to use it compared to my traditional camera , I’m embarrassed to say I have only ever used auto on my camera but I’m going to learn how to use manual. Also slightly worried about the ‘overheating’ rumours/problems with mirrorless, but apparently shouldn’t be an issue if I don’t intend to do shoot 30min + .. I’m interested in the canon mark iv because it seemed EVERYONE thinks it’s a beast and amazing but then after research I saw it’s better primarily for photography AND it doesn’t have a flip out screen (a feature I currently have and love) and then obviously the 90d …. I think is a really really good option as it’s a step up (several steps) to what I have and probably the most familiar one I’d be used to .. just scared of thinking the R7 is more superior I think is my problem… would really appreciate your thoughts.

[@GlennBartley]

Definitely the R7

[@HeadlessChickenTO]

I generally don't shoot higher than ISO 2400 because I came off the M50, but I am encouraged to see the higher ISO performance in my new R7. I'm still trying to acquire the Sigma 150-600 F5-6.3 Contemporary lense, but I've been practicing with my Sigma 18-300 F3.5-6.3 with some decent pics...hard to shoot wildlife and especially birds here in Toronto, but I know a few good spots.

[@mbismbismb]

Why not using eos m6 mark ii vs r7

[@waynedettman6472]

Hi Glenn , watch all your videos ,just one thought,would you use a speed bouster on r7 or not,would be interested in your thoughts on this,cheers.

[@GlennBartley]

I'm assuming you mean a battery grip?? There is not one available. And it doesn't boost speed....only adds a second battery for longer life. They used to do that back in the day though!

[@waynedettman6472]

@@GlennBartley hi glenn no a speed booster increases field of view plus one stop of light.

[@GlennBartley]

@@waynedettman6472 oh ok....never heard of one in use.

[@mikefize2279]

Thanks for the video! Good to see that the R7 is not just a 90D in DSLM. Unpopular opinion (I guess?), but I prefer the noisy images to the denoised ones. No matter how good the software is, it always adds a bit of blurriness and images look less crispy.

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks for watching and for your input!

[@alansach8437]

Images with a bit of noise (not noisy, but a smidge) have a distinct "film" look to them. Whereas denoised images often look "plastic ". I know I too am in the minority, but I honestly think that we have almost reached the point of too much crispness, too much resolution. Some images begin to look unrealistic. Of course, I feel that way about 4k television too. It has a "phoney" look to it. Look around the room, then look at the 4k TV. Reality isn't that sharp.

[@michaelh7506]

Hi Glenn I think I'm going to get the R7 with 100-500mm lens and a micro lens. Love watching you and Jan. I'm use to just shooting 400 ISO because back in the day I was a film and darkroom guy. So I have to shoot differently when I get the new camera. So I will be watching and trying to unlearn old habits.

[@howzchannel9843]

That was my experience also Michael being an old film guy, even with my 70D I rarely went above 400... now with my R7 it's a treat to use 3200 or higher and still get very useable images

[@kathykeiver9]

Thanks Glen, very informative. I know from your other postings that you stuck with the 7dii until the r5 came along. With the r5, do you just crop more, or use the crop mode in it, or use an extender a lot to maximize your images?

[@GlennBartley]

All of the above. I love my R5. So awesome to have 45MP + crop mode. And having a 600mm and 1.4x helps too!

[@bobcat65a]

Glenn, Know you and Jan are busy but I wish I could encourage one of you to test a 4/3 Omi system in the real world of wildlife photography and post a video of your findings. As you many know, Pangolin Wildlife is offering some serious recommendations on the 4/3 Omi.

[@ASTHECROWFLIESHIKING]

Great video! That is an amazing camera. Awesome channel. New follower here. Crow✌️

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks for watching!

[@mzeevuai]

hope to see iso perfomance in video between r7 and 7dii

[@GlennBartley]

Test files are provided for you on stills. Video will obvs. be better on R7

[@brianvnc]

Just came across your content and now I'm a subscriber. :-)

[@brianvnc]

I was going to buy the R7, but it looks like the R5 can hold it's own in crop mode.

[@OhhhhhhhBugger]

@@brianvnc The R5 in crop mode doesn't compare properly to the R7. I have done both before. The R7 is a worthy purchase.

[@brianvnc]

@@OhhhhhhhBugger thank you for sharing this! I’m planning a trip to SW FL in March and was considering buying the R7 for birding.

[@OhhhhhhhBugger]

@@brianvnc I WISH I had the R7 when I went to Florida last year! I took the R5, and got good shots, but wish I had more bird in frame, instead of having to crop and waste pixels. Almost all my shots these days are done on the R7 instead of my R5, unless I need ultra low light work done. I hope you have fun!

[@brianvnc]

@@OhhhhhhhBugger Thank you again! Cheers!

[@WilliePr11]

Thank you Glenn, I have an R7 on pre-order but was not 100% convinced that it is the right thing to do, this episode just convinced me to go ahead with the actual purchase as soon as the bodies arrive in South Africa.

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers Willie!

[@22035]

I have the 90D and really struggle with it. I feel like my auto focus is more accurate on my 750D even though its a bit slower. Now the question is do I go mirrorless instead of the 90D???

[@GlennBartley]

I think its a good upgrade from a 90D Even just to get eye detect AF.

[@22035]

@@GlennBartley great now I just need to sell the 90D

[@doghouseriley4732]

Sorry to say but the 90D was a lemon. The camera that we were told we should sell off our 7D Mk2s and buy. And now we have deja vu. If you want to upgrade the 90D and don't care about video try a 7D Mk2, you can get good deals on them.

[@22035]

@@doghouseriley4732 already do! Autofocus is more reliable on the 7D mk2

[@jimbird963]

One of my images was featured on an IG page heavy with natgeo photographers using my tank 7d2 an it wasn’t one of my best so is it the gear or the photographer, in a recent world photography contest most cameras were almost 10 years old

[@GlennBartley]

It's always the photographer... The camera is just a tool...

[@MatthewRaifman]

Hi there! Appreciate your review and the bird photography show sessions with Jan (hope he is doing ok). Quick question: did you happen to use mechanical shutter for the comparison shots between the four cameras? I downloaded the files and it looked to me like the R7 files became much much sharper with higher ISO as the shutter speed increased, which suggested to me that the lower ISO R7 files had shutter shot. Just curious! Thanks

[@GlennBartley]

To be honest I cant remember...

[@MatthewRaifman]

@@GlennBartley no worries! I know it was a while ago. Happy birding

[@duncangroenewald]

You should really use some real fine feathers in the test next time. A smooth painted subject with no fine detail is not representative of any wildlife I have come across and easy for denoise software to work with. I find Topaz struggles with the R7 images with small birds with fine feather detail.

[@GlennBartley]

Please mail me a small stuffed bird 🤣

[@WeeBurnip-lz3fr]

​@@GlennBartleychildish.

[@jameslarsen5106]

Another reviewer mentioned that the R7 has a noise reduction menu in camera thanks for your initial review.

[@GlennBartley]

That would apply to jpeg only

[@jameslarsen5106]

@@GlennBartley thanks for reply didn't know for jpeg only

[@roughedup]

Thanks a lot! Needed an in depth video, not just the casual "I like this camera very much" which is irrelevant for me. I think I will get the R7 as an upgrade to my 60D, which is not that far away from the 7Dmk2.

[@BoulderSoccerChannel]

Great Video Glenn - Tks - Very nice of you for sharing your test files. I was able to compare your 90D files(cam I own today) vs the R5 files - probably my next camera. I was somewhat surprised that the R5 files even after processed it via DxO Pure still very far from "clean". They are much better than the 90D by a long stretch but unfortunately not great.

[@GlennBartley]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Mariner1460]

Finally, somebody who understands that low light performance is what matters, not some arbitrary ISO number. Thanks for this!

[@GlennBartley]

Cheers David!

[@doghouseriley4732]

Is there a reason that Canon refuse to issue an IP rating for this camera?

[@GlennBartley]

I'm not sure...

[@WernerBirdNature]

Thanks a lot Glenn ! Even when this owl was not as awesome as your regular birds, your sure nailed the right conditions to validate ISO performance how it matters to us !! I just wish for this kind of test to include the R6 with a 2x extender attached, given it would put the same amount of pixels on the owl. When cropped to the same size, that would give a good view whether or not the extender decreases the great performance of the R6 to or even below the APS-C level .. Testing the R5 with a 1.4 extender would be similar in concept, but I have no doubt the much pricier R5 would win.

[@GlennBartley]

Definitely lots of possibilities

[@WernerBirdNature]

@@GlennBartley yeah, I enjoy your bird photography show cooperation so much that I feel compelled to keep on suggesting extra inspiration ;-)

[@tuquanvinh]

How is AF performance (speed, accuracy) between 7d ii and r7? I've been told that 7d ii is the fastest crop dslr out there. Haven't experienced either 4 of them though.

[@t.800XR]

The R7 is definitely faster and more accurate since it has the AF of the R3

[@carlosalexandresouza5816]

Hi, Glenn! Definitely, it's not the ISO the major question in this video. The high quality of focus is astonish, incredible on the mirrorless cameras... Focus on DSLRs is just poor, awful... wow!!! And, thank you a lot for this video!

[@GlennBartley]

Yes the eye detect is game changing!

[@janwilhelm6589]

Very helpful! Thank you very mich!

[@ikaragiannis_7131]

Hi Glen and thanks for sharing! Maybe it's me but the 90D looks too soft in the first example too.. I mean in the subject. It seems almost out of focus.. The background noise is close indeed.. But the subject (iris definition and cyan around it, red stripes and yellows in the pupil) seems to me so much better in the R7.. And btw I am a happy 90D shooter :)

[@GlennBartley]

It can also be that at the super slow shutter speeds just a tiny bit of camera shake. But the eye detect AF certainly helps when shooting actual birds!

[@michaelranger9104]

How can you compare the photos when the r7 camera profile has not been issued YET

[@GlennBartley]

I can compare it as it is NOW... I have also provided the raw files so when it is issued people can have a play and make their own conclusions... 🙄

[@michaelranger9104]

@@GlennBartley yes you can compare it as is but you are comparing it with a photo that has the correction data for that camera profile in the soft ware should you tell people that there is no profile yet so it's not a true representation comparison.

[@samjohnraj.7597]

Great video thanks

[@michaelh7506]

Hi Glenn Have a good Christmas How is Jan? I know he was not feeling well hope he is ok. Miss your vids.

[@andymok7945]

Looks like a great replacement for the 80D/90D cameras. I enjoyed the 7D Mk II camera. The R7 is just too crippled for be to buy it. Really hoping that the mirrorless 7D Mk II is released soon.

[@GlennBartley]

I totally agree I wish this camera was more akin to the 5D 7D combo....but I'm not sure we'll ever see that camera TBH.

[@jurgenwittmann2905]

I agree and I love my 7dII & 5dIII. The AF is great. But there is no battery grip, the rolling shutter effect is still too bad, the buffer memory is too small, and the noise is not a quantum leap either. I'll probably wait until there is an R7II.

[@Pmeyer1226]

I hear the release date for the new D7 Mk II is December 25th, because Santa Claus is listening. The R7 to crippled to buy? I guess it depends on what you use a camera for. If 32mp, 651 pt. Eye tracking AF, shooting 15fps (mechanical) isn’t good enough for what you need, there are plenty of much more expensive options. As for this price point I don’t see any competition, heck Nikon users are begging for AF this good.

[@andymok7945]

@@Pmeyer1226 I mostly photograph birds. I have owned a battery grip for every dSLR camera that I have owned (30D, 40D, 7D, 7D Mk II, Nikon D800E). Mirrorless cameras eat batteries for breakfast. Having to hold the camera in that awkward way when the camera is in portrait orientation and not balanced with a telephoto lens. Small & slow buffer. The sensor size and tracking is fine. Also the battery grip has to be the full thing, all the duplicated buttons, dials, focus control.

[@doghouseriley4732]

Spot on. Cannot believe all the people ordering the R7 to replace their 7D Mk2. Interesting what Fuji are up to.......... Always shot Canon but after this debacle I am looking about. X Trans sensor is very good. It will be good to see how it deals with high ISOs. They also have a 40mp camera out later this year. Weather sealed (properly), new sensor, very fast auto-focus for stills (not that great for video, but I don't care about that) and a deep buffer!

[@woodygreen6826]

Rolling shutter and small buffer may be the biggest issues with the R7. For still subjects in low light, it looks like the R7 handles things just fine. I guess for $1500, you can't have it all. :)

[@GlennBartley]

I think you pretty much nailed it right there!

[@davet3530]

Thanks Glen , your findings are reassuring. I look forward to seeing the full review by you and Jan as I like your real world use opinions. The R7 is on order as a replacement for my 7DII so fingers crossed.

[@GlennBartley]

Thanks 👍

[@bluejays5660]

Is there an editing software that does it all that you could recommend? I can’t see purchasing multiple editing softwares.

[@GlennBartley]

I'd start with Photoshop... You could add topaz denoise later on...

[@bluejays5660]

@@GlennBartley I already have Lightroom but it’s denoising capabilities are limited.

[@GlennBartley]

@@bluejays5660 yes...you need dxo and topaz denoise ai ideally ....if i had to pick only one id say dxo pure raw

[@garybrown5769]

Why use your hood on the dark ?

[@deanroslynmengel5575]

I push my K3III to 25600 but do use topaz to clean it up. APSC with DA*300 and 150-450 is the perfect set up for my birding but I'm no pro LOL and try not to crop. R7 looks good.

[@davepastern]

many thanks Glenn!

[@GlennBartley]

You are welcome

[@nerrelloader4226]

Thank you so much for this Glenn. I've been a bit anxious and stalled purchasing the R7 due to low noise, but I think you've allayed my fears. I look forward to seeing yours & Jan's further testing of this camera. I've had my Canon 1200D for 7 years, but have only been a hobbyist photographer for the last 3 1/2 years, so waiting a little bit longer doesn't really matter to me. I just want to know that once I make a purchase the new camera will give me the images that I want, and that's sharp low light bird and macro flower photography. I do love landscape also. Thanks ever so much again for this test comparison and the files. Hope you have a great day. Cheers, N.

[@GlennBartley]

Happy to help!

[@finight5863]

Thanks for completing my fallen tree video. Perfect 🙏 Great content... sending full suppot from asia. What's Rec & Red? i just clicked it just now? haha.

[@alanross3661]

Hi Glenn, Interesting comparison. I think an even better test would be to underexpose by a stop or two on each camera and then post process each image and see how they compare.

[@GlennBartley]

Perhaps. But I think its good o just see the actual real world images as if you were actually shooting. Its always hard to figure out what's best.

[@bird-af]

Hi Glenn! You talked about the importance of the ISO test in the field, not in the studio. I agree with you. But it is also very important to do this with a consumer lens for wildlife. For example, canon 100-400 mark II, Sigma 150-600. You're doing an ISO test with a professional lens for a few thousand dollars. Not everyone can afford such a lens. I'm sure the results will be different with these bodies and cheaper lenses at high ISO. I'm talking about the sharpness and enlightenment of the lens. It definitely won't answer their questions for many and many will get different results than yours. I think for people who came to the equipment (lens) for several thousand dollars, this video will not be watched. They know and can try it in the right place.

[@christophercarlimages9003]

I understand the purpose of downsizing the R5 files when comparing, but I think most people would shoot full frame mode with an r5, then crop. I am wondering how your results would turn out then? Still impressive as the r7 seems significantly better than both the 90D and 7DM2. Enjoyed the video!

[@Wsmith247]

Think ill stay with my 7D ii and 80D.