Canon T5i 700D vs T4i 650D Are They The Same?

[@LegacyMediaworks]

Don't apologize for the rant. You were saying what all of us were thinking. And it sounds like I need to upgrade my Magic Lantern. That T3i can shoot raw now is excellent news. Now that if they could get rid of the audio auto gain...

[@Skapo]

Yeah, I work at Best Buy and we got notification that all T4i cameras were on recall because a few of the bodies had issues with the rubber grip rubbing off. They had been getting into some lawsuits from people who were having allergic reactions to the powder-like rubber residue. I haven't been allowed to sell a T4i for a few months now.

[@theDAK71891]

Dave, rant any day you please! I spoke with Canon sale reps and they absolutely agreed with my rant on crop and full frame cameras in their line up. I wish I had watched this before going to that media expo...

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Thanks for asking, not yet, I plan on making one in the fall.

[@audioadventurer6892]

I just brought a used 650d (3000 actuations, hardly worn in!) I'm on a very tight budget and it was the first of the cameras I'd chosen as contenders (60d 650d 700d) that came up for sale within my budget. Also got a nice Canon 17-85mm f4-f5.6 if is lens with it, too. Your reviews were really helpful in that they showed me there's more that's the same on these cameras than is different. I really was glad to get the only one with a touchscreen. I wasn't married to wanting it, but now I have it in my hands it is self evident how much more useful it is. 650d is the winner in my books, simply for the touchscreen. Although initially it was a tough choice between that and the 60d for it's longer burst before the shutter lag kicks in, I came down on the side of the touchscreen. If you wanted to shoot more active subjects (especially things like skateboards or bikes doing tricks at the local ramp, track or or park,) then the 60d would be a smarter choice overall. You can't put much between them in image quality. First thing I did when I got the camera delivered at home was not pack up and go out shooting. I got online, googled Magic Lantern, watched a few videos on how to install it and how to use it, read no horror stories at all about it because I couldn't find any, then I made all my SD cards bootable and put ML on all of them. The quality of images the hardware provides and the added features Magic Lantern brought to capturing those images means for $500 I have a camera I'm going to spend a long time getting better on before I outgrow it. I just hope touchscreen comes to full frame before my next upgrade!

[@witcheater]

I do not get to Your (or anyone elses) videos necessary quickly, but I do usually get to them. This video is exactly why I subscribe to Yours. Telling it like it really is, not being afraid to do so in fear of loosing whatever, is what I want (and expect) even if I don't like hearing it initially. However, I've learned a whole buncha lotta mostly, so TY for that.

[@peterx887]

Dude, it's like you my mind with the T5i, Canon's innovation, and the Magic Lantern team! Get out of my head Dave...

[@GRUxGUNZ]

Sooo glad I got my T4i before it was discontinued. I love the touchscreen! Way easier to access and navigate menus than with the buttons.

[@scott-ish404]

Rumor has it the reason for such similar cameras was lenses: Canon had to rush in and release the T4i without a "video-friendly" 18-55mm STM kit lens (the only lens in this category at the time was the 18-135mm STM). So, after coming up with the renewed kit lens, plus some factory recalls regarding the T4i's focus system, it was decided to release a "new" model alongside it.

[@just_eirik]

Would be cool if you made a time lapse tutorial! I'm especially interested in how you edit and make your final video file.

[@EngineeredTruth]

thanks for the magic lantern bit, I didn't know that exist. I'll be sure to use it after I pick up my t5i

[@jordan116327]

Go with the t3i and install magic lantern. Use that extra money saved on a prime lens and you're all set to go. Now find yourself a model and you're a photographer :) lol

[@dafpnp]

I though Magic Lantern only works with t2i. That's what I heard from Dave in one of his compare videos.

[@ingaman]

Same here --working at a camera store and got the recall notice. I still think they could've come out with something a bit more refined with the time that they had between the T4i and the T5i.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Image quality they are the same if you ask me from my tests. But the T4i has some nice extra features.

[@elamelanin1150]

Dave Dugdale t3i or t4i ? Is there a big difference

[@jpaez82]

Good thing I got my t4i last month, and I am loving it. Dave your the man! congrats on the 10 million views. keep doin it till the year 3000! I always learn something from your channel.

[@CFProductionX]

It's still in development, especially for the brand new 700D. But you can compile the current source code and install it on your camera. Or you wait until they finally release the next stable version with official support for the 650D, 700D, 1100D and 5D Mark III ...

[@tRickyBA]

Well, I am looking for a first DSLR, i was using Canon S5IS with CHDK and developed raw from it and learned how to improve my bad taken shots. But pursuing my new DSLR I was sure that Nikon D7100 will be my first one. After watching some other videos about 650D I started to change my mind but this fantastic video convinced me that 650D will be my first DSLR. Thank you very much. Of course, Magic lantern part totally left me speechless.

[@pheonixprince3859]

I have both /between T5i and the d7100 / d7100 is the best and sharpest IMAGE even sharper better than the new d7200 ( d7200 design for fast moving sport / not for sharpness ).............do very little sport shooting so I STICK WITH d7100 for SHARPNESS / canon are good for color like very color full flower (IMAGE NOT AS SHARP AS D7100 so I HAVE BOTH SHOOTING AT EVENT OR PARTY )

[@PostColorGear]

The only "problem" with that is what your goal is. I do stills, not just video, so the Canon Rebels work for me. The BMPCC is a great camera though from what I can see. But there is still a huge crop factor on that device. If anything, I'm going to save up and get a Mark III.

[@Redzo79]

Dave, thank you for putting into words what many, many out there are thinking.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

I'll try but I am really busy right now.

[@usadarylwilson]

Thanks for your review of the Canon T5i DSLR vs. the Canon T4i DSLR. Your review helped me to decide which DSLR camera to upgrade to. I bought the Canon T5i with the EF-S 18-55mm/f1:3.5-5.6 IS STM lens, and also bought the EF-S 55-250mm/f1:4-5.6 IS STM lens yesterday. BTW, the mode dial is a helpful innovation, at least, for me. I also immediately researched Magic Lantern and installed it to my new T5i, just gotta figure it out. Thanks, again!

[@Mulletmanalive]

That was a rant? The youtube watcher in me is disappointed at you not flying off the handle. Seriously, you are a bastion of mellow dude. Thumbs up.

[@CanecaProductions]

I really enjoyed the rant. 100% Agree

[@AkivaLjungstrom]

I was wandering what your opinions on the 18-55mm STM kit lens are. You didn't seem to mention it in this review.....?

[@KocaMetallec]

Your rant was one of the best and honest rants ever!

[@krishanbansalphotos]

Dave, you hit the nail on the head with this video. Canon has really not been innovating lately, hopefully they see this video. Thanks!

[@AroundTheBendVideos]

The T4i hasn't only been discontinued, but rather recalled. There was a small design flaw in the rubber grips when Canon upgraded this model from the T3i. It seems as thought the rubber grips in the T4i would turn white after a while and cause some minor skin irritation in the hands of the users. I have been lead to believe that the reason for the change to a T5i is mainly because of the new rubber pads. This is why the two cameras are mechanically identical. However, they had to change the rotational dial and make some VERY small software changes in the menu system to justify calling it a T5i.

[@mateopumakawa]

If I remember correctly, the rubber problem of the T4i was corrected before the switch to T5i.

[@HELLADJ]

conspiracy theory to protect canon?

[@SatyaPeram]

thats not even a rant, those are genuine facts. Thank you Dave!! Legit videos always

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Yes, I want to try the pocket version first.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Did they have a press release about this?

[@EscoPicoTrane]

did u create the time lapse with the t5i or the t4i?

[@agentjucey]

can you kindly do a 60D and t5i comparison please sir :) and which is better for video and stuff. thanks Dave

[@AkivaLjungstrom]

The stm lens is actually fantasticly quiet!

[@EsEf125]

I have a 50mm 1.4, and I love that lens. I also want to pick up a Tokina 11-16mm lens later this year as well!

[@JeanPierreLaForest]

Hi Dave, I don't have any links, but I can confirm that there was an issue with the glue and the rubber of the grip reacting for some batches of T4i. Basically the glue was safe, the rubber was safe, but when combined, they formed a chemical that some people are allergic to. It does seem like Canon used this as an excuse to upgrade to the T5i with the new mode dial, and a new kit lens. I don't think the T5i is intended as an upgrade, unless you're allergic to your T4i :)

[@CaptJohnsBar]

Why the huge cost variance between the Canon 50mm f1.8, the f1.4, and the f1.2....Just crazy !

[@lynx777]

Very well done sir....I am now educated on this matter.

[@WWVND]

I can not wait to see the reviews on the Black Magic Production Camera! Hope to have one sometime next year.

[@lordodin6356]

Why did Canon discontinue the T4i when some people prefer it to the 700d ?

[@likeshisshoes]

I broke into the DSLR world with the T2i... 6 months before it stopped being made. Still love it though. Canon makes some awesome cameras.

[@jesdoggy]

Great rant! Exactly what needs to be said! The Magic Lantern guys are kicking their butt, big time!

[@AGameEveryDay]

They have about equal dynamic range, but that's not because of the 12-bit or 14-bit color. The 12- or 14- bits only refers to the number of different colors the picture can be made of.

[@anexonel]

I think im going to check your T4i Video tutorial during the weekend

[@TygerBlueEyes]

Nice rant! We need more like that to get Canon to listen to what we really want at a good price point.

[@CFProductionX]

Check out the "RAW Video" section in the Magic Lantern forum. There's a whole thread about RAW video on the 600D. Or do you mean Magic Lantern in general? You can find many tutorials on how to install Magic Lantern on the T3i here on KZbin. I like the one from MediaUnlocked most.

[@pcgamerboyz]

when are u going to do a video on how to shoot raw with the t3i doug

Hi Dave, thank you for your enlightening information between this 2 cameras. I am trying to get information because I want to upgrade from Canon Powershot SX30 to DSLR. Right now is T4i is more expensive and less available than T5i, Why?, Has t5i less quality? according to you they are almost equal, but why buyers are after T4i than T5i. Please help me, your opinion is very important in deciding in which one to buy.

[@Zannworks]

Hey Dave, So in this video you showed the difference of this two cameras Resolution comparing H.264 to Raw. I was wondering what camera was used for those shots and what resolution they were shot at?

[@tobypowell6914]

Was it the cannon 700D which had the built in time lapse?

[@imalexx]

You talked about the Blackmagic, but I think another cool camera worth to check out is the Digital Bolex! Have you heard of it?

[@RobertShaverOfAustin]

Does it auto-focus well while shooting video? I hear/read that the 70D may do a better job at this, albeit at a much higher price.

[@mizpah5644]

Hi Dave my question would be did you use the 650D or 700D for the Time laps & did both of them have Magic Lantern on them?

[@jmiclovesyou]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Canon release the new STM kit lens with the T5i? I don't think it merits a new generation in the Rebel series, but it's definitely more than just a knob upgrade.

[@blueterrain55]

They are nice, but I would suggest the 18-135mm STM lens that you can get with the camera. I have it with the t4i. The auto focus is silent. I put my shotgun mic next to it and racked focus with out any noise at all. Both are great, but I would suggest the 18-135mm.

[@ASP-HTX]

fyi...the music that you use is the same music fstoppers used in one of their premium courses

[@TheCoolProfessor]

I love my T4i! It's my first DSLR and it works great!

[@cjbelgrave]

Very good observation Mr. Dugdale. Thanks for the info. Do you have a training guide on the 5D MarkIII with the new update or the magic lantern software?

[@fabiodovalle]

Dude, i loved your rant! I just subscribed to your channel! The world needs more people like you having the courage to speak up the truth!! You made me decide for the t4i and i will probably sell my t3i! Thanks!

[@NakulSona]

Which is best camera

[@timleelegacyartstudio]

Out of curiosity. I see a lot of people say to double up on the exposure for video shooting. (24 FPS = 50 Exposure, 30FPS = 60 Exposure) When I look at my T5i, I see that the LOWEST it will go is the FPS set by the video. AKA, 24 30 60. Bla bla... What benefit is it to double up on the exposure for video? Or is that just a preference thing?

[@yong2947]

if the sp is set to lets say 120 and fps at 30 the video captured would look very unnatural

[@telobajoytelosubo]

Hi dave!! I just have this question... Why Canon discontinuing the T4i???

[@RichardKilleyPhotography]

I love your style in these videos Dave.

[@jsk794]

Hi Dave,I am going to buy a used t4i very soon. I wonder what should I know about the used camera before the purchase. I am always scared of buying a used product especially something like camera. If you can please give some tips that i should consider before buying. Please reply. Thanks

[@bandrewm]

Dave, did you shoot that night timelapse with a t3i/t4i/t5i, or with a full-frame sensor camera? What lens did you use? It looks fantastic!

[@liers3764]

If Magic Lantern had access to $800 million they would have probably created a stopper for the dailer :D

[@noobsyb0t]

+Sherif Abo El Neel If They Had $800 Million They'll Put Canon, Sony, Panasonic & Nikon Out Of Business!!!

[@freakygeez]

haha yep completely true, conveniently I'm going on a shoot where we will be using the three types of pro-summer models (600D - 700D) so it will be interesting to see if there is any internal difference at all. Black Magic has just done a mega price reduction on most of their gear, the only problem I have with the cameras is the interface is a little too basic.

[@ooFreeMan]

should i buy sony A7 or Nikon D5300 for filmmaking , can you do review or something about best digital camera for filmmaking ..... and thank you very much for all the great videos you make .

[@hamzehrocks]

I was wondering, Since the 700D is newer than the 650D is there any chance that the 700D might be better than the 650D concerning the image quality.?! I'm really confused witch one should I bring.?!

[@LeviStutzman]

Canon had a recall problem with the rubber grip on the t4i, so instead of updating the model, they just released and entirely new camera. Not really sure why they don't update models, but they just release a whole new camera.

[@unmanahi88]

Hi Dave. what is your opinion about the Nikon D5200 vs the Canon t4i? Thanks for the info, and your videos are great.

[@streetedcebu]

how about continuous auto focus in video mode, which one is faster or are they the same?

[@tracer678]

i think it was a good rant. also i think it is funny they are discounting the T4i camera. most retailers on a lower lever such as, sams club, walmart, target, best buy, etc, or still selling the T3i on their selves at the store in my area. i've yet to see the T4i in any of their stores.

[@pulliam318]

Hi, I am subscribed to you and I was wondering how do I stop my Canon T3i from stopping automatically while recording?

[@JosHendrikx]

Felt the same way Dave when I heard about the 700d release. It's a shame to see Canon starting to fall behind competitors, because they're banking on past success. I hope Canon will up their game with the release of the 70d and 7dii.

[@yukiono4922]

Hi Sir Dave which is good the 60D or 700D?

[@DoubleTapDudes]

Should I get the Canon 6D, or would it be wiser to get something like the t4i and spend the extra money on a fancy lens?

[@JeffAndrew1]

Thanks for your true opinion Dave!

[@_.o..o._]

it depends on your preferences :) look for some videos here and watch how cheap/expensive lenses work with Canon 600D.

[@MotorworldHype]

Even his rants are good natured and casual!

[@PEMediaChannel]

Do both have smooth focus on the 18-55 lens so there's no sound on the video?

[@MACinMELONS]

If I have neither, which should I get?

[@eninut]

I liked the rant about Magic Lantern lol. I use it on my 550D and it's just awesome. It only works when you have the memory card in which you have the ML software on. I changed SD cards the other day to one that didn't have ML on and I felt lost without it...Soon put it on that card when I got home though!

[@bishwasherpa9328]

i should choose for which ? 650d or 700d??

[@john3Lee]

Have you been tempted with the Black Magic cameras Dave ? ( I know I am.)

[@TGPExtras]

i had no idea it available for the T3i! Is there a link or something where i can get more info on how to install on T3i?

[@LukeNeumann]

I love the rant :)

[@elrishiilustrado9592]

Can i take a video like this 6:03 without special lent or something? thanks

[@TheHenryStark]

Hello Dave, do you have any idea when Magic Lantern for the T4i is coming out?

[@wirawaw]

a rotateable mode dial lol very interesting . is there any magiclantern for 650D ?

[@Nunnsy]

Awesome rant, you spoke what was on many people's minds. Great video.

[@abcd1358]

which has a better autofocus? t4i or t5i?

[@metalmastervid]

I am very new to dslr and did not yet bought any camera. But I want to shoot video with dslr. what should i buy that which have better AF mode for video.

[@Brownboy42069]

Does RAW recording work with the T4i/T5i? I can't find that info confirmed anywhere

[@devorejm]

Hi Dave, what are the differences between the H.264 format and the Apple Prores 422 format. i have always transcoded my footage to the 422. any insight? thanks, James

[@Sotangy247]

Good points re the canon R&D and Magic lantern Dave!

[@damlic11]

They did changed the sensor between 600d and 650d it's same resolution but another sensor

[@jamescuomo1]

Hi Dave! In the other video you made (650 vs 60) You Said the Auto Focus Was Not Great when shooting Video (650). Is it the same problem with the 700? THANK YOU! PLEASE ANSWER!

[@RoxusRemo]

Saul? (please say this has been mentioned before...).

[@PJrnegao]

O que tem de diferente na T4i e T5i? A T5i tem saída de fone? O porque de comprar uma versão mais nova? Me ajude a decidir... Desde já muito obrigado!

[@vince107]

Is t5i good for making film ?