Canon vs. Non-Canon - Does Dragon Ball Canon Even MATTER?

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Salad Saiyan

Salad Saiyan

Күн бұрын

I see people discussing canon and non-canon all the time within various Dragon Ball communities. But at the end of the day, what even is truly "canon", and does it even really matter?
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@SaladSaiyan
@SaladSaiyan 3 жыл бұрын
Canon or not, it won’t stop me me from enjoying GT and monkey Goku🦍
@LavaCreeperPeople
@LavaCreeperPeople 3 жыл бұрын
Nice but GT will never become canon bro
@edowanalam3834
@edowanalam3834 3 жыл бұрын
@@LavaCreeperPeople he said he doesn’t care he just likes it
@altreon3608
@altreon3608 3 жыл бұрын
@@LavaCreeperPeople it's okay, it's better than the "canon" trash we have now :)
@zainiack2391
@zainiack2391 3 жыл бұрын
@@LavaCreeperPeople okay and? lmaoo
@dbzfan2811
@dbzfan2811 3 жыл бұрын
And monkey gogeta my favorite monkey
@okuigokublack
@okuigokublack 3 жыл бұрын
Trunks confirmed in Xenoverse 1 in a dialogue event that GT and Super are separate timelines, and the funny thing, he's the one who caused these timelines.
@shawnsouth327
@shawnsouth327 3 жыл бұрын
Video games aren’t canon to my knowledge
@okuigokublack
@okuigokublack 3 жыл бұрын
@@shawnsouth327 wow, this whole video was explaining why canon and non-canon don't matter. Besides, it's not so far-fetched that because of Trunks, Cell and Zamasu a few new timelines popped up.
@chiefbawor_thegr8966
@chiefbawor_thegr8966 3 жыл бұрын
And Trunks mess with time again
@Mrperson0
@Mrperson0 3 жыл бұрын
GT being a separate timeline on its own doesn't make sense in DB canon. Timelines are created when someone travels back in time, and nothing splinters off to create the GT universe. It's okay for fanon/non-canon games though.
@okuigokublack
@okuigokublack 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mrperson0 Yes, I do agree with this statement, hence why it's more plausible to assume GT is a separate story after Z.
@epicmike2055
@epicmike2055 3 жыл бұрын
I fear no man but that thing (Salad sayian character closing/opening his eyes) It scares me.
@Theman_JD
@Theman_JD 3 жыл бұрын
I just noticed that and it is creepy 😰
@broccoliman5003
@broccoliman5003 3 жыл бұрын
Exacly
@mohamedcoool
@mohamedcoool 3 жыл бұрын
me to it’s just stares at u
@MrVaughn2005
@MrVaughn2005 3 жыл бұрын
I will commit die
@DarkBayden
@DarkBayden 3 жыл бұрын
Help
@ThatBoiDarius_
@ThatBoiDarius_ 3 жыл бұрын
It’s really stupid that people dismiss stuff just because it’s not canon As long as you’re enjoying it why should it matter if it’s canon or not
@altreon3608
@altreon3608 3 жыл бұрын
Preach
@legendarywolverine5529
@legendarywolverine5529 3 жыл бұрын
Facts.
@Devilisheyes
@Devilisheyes 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed if you enjoy it does not matter at all but it does matters in power scaling
@PisaroOne
@PisaroOne 3 жыл бұрын
Most people dont dismiss GT because it is non canon, most people dismiss GT because it is totally crap
@Devilisheyes
@Devilisheyes 3 жыл бұрын
@@PisaroOne baby saga was actually good one of the best in all of dragon ball actually
@bluestreaksthehedgehog.
@bluestreaksthehedgehog. 3 жыл бұрын
Cannon or non cannon it doesn’t matter as long as you enjoy the story of DBZ
@wtrmIxn
@wtrmIxn 3 жыл бұрын
Ew someone who likes sonic
@-Genki
@-Genki 3 жыл бұрын
@@wtrmIxn and? Lol.
@benjaminboivin4580
@benjaminboivin4580 3 жыл бұрын
the language it is in doesn't matter to
@jbbajangamer
@jbbajangamer 3 жыл бұрын
@@wtrmIxn you do realise we cam dogpile you for your pfp as well lol
@dinogt8477
@dinogt8477 3 жыл бұрын
@@wtrmIxn moe slice of crap romance lover pfp
@StanTheBland
@StanTheBland 3 жыл бұрын
Canon and non-canon it doesn't matter, toriyama will take ideas from non-canon ideas anyway if he likes them, also the non-canon material gives us more stuff, like for example, Krillin got the no ego zone power up in filler, non-canon gives us more development for humans and namekians and other characters.
@Law_W_Kong
@Law_W_Kong 3 жыл бұрын
I got caught REALLY off guard from the fact that the "Incredicell" blinks now.
@Edgystonerstorys420
@Edgystonerstorys420 3 жыл бұрын
Every time he says canon take a shot it’s a great game the family can play lol
@merlink.7287
@merlink.7287 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think there will be a family by the end 🗿
@winterwentmissing
@winterwentmissing 3 жыл бұрын
Thats dead asf
@Mrdoubleohseven
@Mrdoubleohseven 3 жыл бұрын
30 seconds in and I’m down a handle
@MrBusrunner
@MrBusrunner 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks my son dead
@barrettlewallen5838
@barrettlewallen5838 Жыл бұрын
There isn't enough alcohol in the world
@carcar7995
@carcar7995 3 жыл бұрын
I really hate it when people don't watch something just because it's not canon
@taramattierambharose6650
@taramattierambharose6650 3 жыл бұрын
No one gonna bring up how he totally blurred out Dragon ball evolution 😂
@XJSPlays02
@XJSPlays02 3 жыл бұрын
It's a Good Thing
@zojirushi1
@zojirushi1 3 жыл бұрын
It’s better that way
@user-zu7ou3rw6v
@user-zu7ou3rw6v 3 жыл бұрын
i don’t really hate dragon ball evaluation it’s a good action movie if you like action and i don’t care for plot or story so that’s most likely why i don’t hate dragon ball evaluation.
@zye4809
@zye4809 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-zu7ou3rw6v Uh huh sure troll. Saying that you like Evolution for it's action is like saying you enjoy Naruto for it's filler lmao.
@user-zu7ou3rw6v
@user-zu7ou3rw6v 3 жыл бұрын
@@zye4809 im not troll and i do like dragon ball evaluations action it was good to me so deal with it my opinion and as for naruto i honestly don’t have a single care for it as i’ve never watched it before and have only limited knowledge of naruto so again deal with it if you want to start attacking me for my opinion go ahead won’t matter to me as im not a coward who hides from the toxic parts of the dragon ball community and tell you when i straight up disagree with any of it’s opinions proudly so yeah dragon ball evaluation great movie absolutely enjoyable to me and filler is also good to me same with all ofther parts of the dragon ball franchise.😤
@sylasexd
@sylasexd 3 жыл бұрын
It's still better than *thing* thats happening with Sonic's canon.
@coolerreviews6580
@coolerreviews6580 3 жыл бұрын
True
@Shard_Soldier
@Shard_Soldier 3 жыл бұрын
At least Toriyama didn’t make Kid Goku an alternate dimension/timeline counterpart to Goku.
@coolerreviews6580
@coolerreviews6580 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shard_Soldier Yeah
@thezlike1749
@thezlike1749 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shard_Soldier yeah they just used his desgin for gokus son and then proceed to mever use goten,that mofu still the sice he was when first shown
@omarqassas7095
@omarqassas7095 3 жыл бұрын
2 wOrLdS LOL (man iizuka is stupid as mich contribution to the series he needs to leave)
@kingkaifisteroflegend1857
@kingkaifisteroflegend1857 3 жыл бұрын
My personal canon is that when trunks came to the past originally it split the timeline three ways where two events of z play out normally one finishing with GT and the other continuing with super
@jonathandiaz-ferro2754
@jonathandiaz-ferro2754 2 жыл бұрын
I like to think that's what happened also
@ultrainstinctedits
@ultrainstinctedits 3 жыл бұрын
And this whole time, I've been telling people this is canon, this isn't canon. Even after watching Super, I got confused about the anime and manga, which is the main continuation of Super. After watching other movies and series of Dragon ball, I just didn't care more about what is canon or not.
@sufiengamer1488
@sufiengamer1488 3 жыл бұрын
Hello fellow lr gogeta blue pfp
@ultrainstinctedits
@ultrainstinctedits 3 жыл бұрын
Hey 👋
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly stick to manga material (DB,Z, Super) + battle of gods, RoF & Broly movies. It honestly makes things so much easier to follow
@mastrblastr8662
@mastrblastr8662 3 жыл бұрын
Fuck canon, if I want my Yamcha to be Super Perfect Cell-level, he gets it
@khimon45
@khimon45 3 жыл бұрын
True. Let me not lie they should have done more with Yamcha
@rbcfengli4109
@rbcfengli4109 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you man get so sick of people devaluing shit because to them it isn’t “cannon”
@T3guthegoat
@T3guthegoat 3 жыл бұрын
I love dragonball gt, ssj4 is awesome, salad is awesome
@supereststinger
@supereststinger 3 жыл бұрын
ssj4 is the best form and no one can tell me otherwise
@MWH12085
@MWH12085 3 жыл бұрын
During the design phase, they came up with that as the very first draft and that was it. They apparently did try a gold color but stuck with the red and black
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
SSJ4 is the most overrated form for me, it looks good but thats just about it
@MWH12085
@MWH12085 3 жыл бұрын
@@j.i.k2.044 it's actually far more stable than the other forms
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
@@MWH12085 How? All transformations require Ki and stamina to maintain, SSJ4 isn't any different.
@johnathanrichardson
@johnathanrichardson 2 жыл бұрын
i enjoy all the content regardless as to whether its cannon or not; but i do think its important to make a distinction between the main timeline and alternate timelines. GT obviously isnt in the same timeline as super, but it was still a very enjoyable series to watch
@ultimategoathan7788
@ultimategoathan7788 3 жыл бұрын
Yo when is the good ginyu force part 4 coming?
@MaelTheHonored
@MaelTheHonored 3 жыл бұрын
idk i hope it's coming soon
@Dnime878
@Dnime878 3 жыл бұрын
Yay thank you salad for the video keep up the good work. I know with the power of you and Dragon ball you will. Hit 1 mill soon
@rukido2671
@rukido2671 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I just hate the damn word “Cannon” because of things like this. Wether it’s Super or GT and Anime or Manga, it’s still Dragon Ball in the end. Would be easier to say it’s just separate dimensions or timelines rather than just saying Cannon.
@marcdieselson9117
@marcdieselson9117 3 жыл бұрын
0:34 am I the only one that noticed his avatar blinked
@colerowe8890
@colerowe8890 3 жыл бұрын
I see man The avatar did blinked
@shindaidoon5730
@shindaidoon5730 3 жыл бұрын
3:53 this man blurred out db evolution 😂😂
@TheNewKombatMaster
@TheNewKombatMaster 2 жыл бұрын
Bojack Unbound could fit into the main story since it takes place after the fight with Cell during the 7-year gap.
@envynoson
@envynoson 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, there are two timelines. DB - Every movie in the timeline - GT DB -DBS Manga Personally, I really hate the way they handled the Dragon Ball IP. The fact that they keep butchering continuity every moment possible to sell products makes DC and Marvel look like a passion project that was deeply thought-out with a perfectly planned conclusion.
@Hand2792
@Hand2792 3 жыл бұрын
I like to think that the separate canons and such are different possible realities in the DB multiverse. Sorry if that doesn’t make since or sound ridiculous, it’s just how I see it. For example maybe GT is another possible timeline if Beerus never woke up or something, idk.
@demarkus4566
@demarkus4566 3 жыл бұрын
Same, tho wouldn't zeno erase the gt timeline then for having low mortal levels? Unless the kai's do there job in gt idk how they increase the mortal to please zeno.
@bartold7080
@bartold7080 3 жыл бұрын
@@demarkus4566 In GT, Zeno is not a thing, nor Beerus and Whis for that matter. Zeno only zoomed on the universes because of the U6 vs U7 Tournament, which planted the seed in his mind for the tournament of power.
@demarkus4566
@demarkus4566 3 жыл бұрын
@@bartold7080 yeah I know but the og commenter said that maybe the gt timeline is a timeline where beerus didn't wake up, so I'm stating if that was true zeno would probably just erase it
@bartold7080
@bartold7080 3 жыл бұрын
@@demarkus4566 Eh, whether he would erase or not would depend on his motivations at that time.
@albertthepeacock8020
@albertthepeacock8020 3 жыл бұрын
It'd be easier if you treat GT and Super like Pokemon games One timeline is red and the other is blue
@gerardorodriguez7500
@gerardorodriguez7500 3 жыл бұрын
I like Canon (Dragon Ball Super) then Non-Canon (Dragon Ball GT)
@jordandillow3423
@jordandillow3423 3 жыл бұрын
Well you can go to hfil
@darthconquest1046
@darthconquest1046 3 жыл бұрын
Its interesting how fans argue what is canon and what isn't, but the people who are paid to know the story and create more of it don't even almost care about what's "canon".
@schooled9543
@schooled9543 3 жыл бұрын
God I'm only a few minutes in and thank Kami I can tell this is gonna be a great video
@saudbintalib5701
@saudbintalib5701 3 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't matter as long as it's official it's an actual thing.
@DenniDownBad
@DenniDownBad 2 жыл бұрын
4:35 so Bojack Unbound can't fit into the main story about a month or 2 after the Cell Games? Cooler's 1st movie couldn't fit in the 3 year gap before the Androids? Broly's 1st movie couldn't fit in the 10-day gap before the Cell Games?
@eugenekrabs2403
@eugenekrabs2403 3 жыл бұрын
"Dokkan has it's own continuity" Me: Who knew that a bubble popping game had a story that I can't even remember
@tylercoon1791
@tylercoon1791 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, not even the Dokkan Devs remember that story
@justablackscreen9832
@justablackscreen9832 3 жыл бұрын
I like having 100 different continuities. It keeps the story interesting and slightly surprising. Instead of seeing the same thing over and over we get a whole new story
@inkchariot6147
@inkchariot6147 3 жыл бұрын
An easy way to tell that nobody knows what they're talking about, is when they mistake the word "canon" for "continuity". If it's officially licensed, it's part of the official canon. If it's part of a fan made universe, it's "fanon" fan made canon If it has no place in the original story, but is still officially licensed (like filler or certain movies) it's not part of the original continuity and exists in it's own. Even the video games like Heroes, Online and Xenoverse have their place in the canon or continuity.
@Celerott
@Celerott 3 жыл бұрын
This is how I look at everything. The original Manga takes place in their own continuity/timeline, with the Anime taking place in their own continuity/timeline. The movies take place in their own self contained continuity/timelines too. I would even say Super takes place in their own continuity/timeline where the Ball and Z portions follow the logic of Super, but they split off into two differentones from the Boo arc andon. GT takes place in the Anime's continuity. But that's just me.
@onlinegametime
@onlinegametime 3 жыл бұрын
How I see series is that, Each show, manga, anime, movies, & games are all each there own universe. Like a anime and manga are both different universes more like when people do what if’s. Especially when movies get involved. So in the end everything technically is Canon/non-canon depending on which universe you are playing, reading, or watching. Just think of each on as a What If series.
@Rain_901
@Rain_901 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh...i dont really care weather something is canon or not weather its gt or super or any manga (example xicor,multiverse tournament etc) i just categorise it as another universe or something like that...
@Ajz092
@Ajz092 2 жыл бұрын
I'll make this incredibly simple for everyone. Everything in Dragon Ball has it's OWN canon. You've got anime and manga canon, movie canon, video game canon, etc. In the main timeline, there's a BRANCH. One path goes like this: Dragon Ball > Z > GT...the other is Dragon Ball > Kai > Super. Both are Toei's official sequels no matter how much people like or dislike it. The only thing that ISN'T "canon" are the things not approved by the people who own the franchise. Such things include fanart, Original characters, fanfiction, parody's, etc. So GT fans can rejoice. GT is most certainly canon, as long as you're talking about the sequel to the Z (NOT KAI) anime.
@kek13223
@kek13223 3 жыл бұрын
10:35 this is exactly why Vegeta wanted to use the third wish against kid buu for new boots, size 9 please
@nathanmorris3481
@nathanmorris3481 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I kind of like GTA but of course my favorite part is Super Saiyan 4 it looks so damn cool
@s-boy4613
@s-boy4613 3 жыл бұрын
I need a link to that twitter thread about Vegeta’s shoes, Chief
@c0rrupt3d_g0d2
@c0rrupt3d_g0d2 3 жыл бұрын
4:33 Boujack Unbound: Bruh
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
facts
@syedinamshah6293
@syedinamshah6293 3 жыл бұрын
I think the easy way to put it like this there are different timelines they are all canon which happen in different timeline take fusion reborn (this is my own opinion) this happen after the defeat of the buu but in this timeline nether goku nor vegeta got revived
@dandelarosa64
@dandelarosa64 3 жыл бұрын
“GT isn’t canon” is the new “Pluto isn’t a planet”
@WolfGodOkami
@WolfGodOkami 3 жыл бұрын
"What If Suggestions" What If Vegeta Was The First Super Saiyan? What If Vegeta and Tarble Were Twins? What If Vegeta Was Sent to Earth? What If Goku Landed On Namek? What If Goku Landed On Supreme's Kai's World? What If Goku Landed On Roshi's Island? What If Goku Had A Daughter? What If Goku Learned Kaioken Early? What If Gohan Was Like Goku? What If Cabba Was Born in U7? WhIM What If Goku Black Turned Good? What If Villains Were Reincarnated?
@waqasyounus4399
@waqasyounus4399 3 жыл бұрын
Gine and Fasha should dress as disney princesses
@Quickbobhero
@Quickbobhero 3 жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball Super follows the Minus timeline as confirmed by Broly, which contradicts events that happened in Dragon Ball to the point that it's its own What If scenario. Also how people consider scribbles by Toriyama to be "written" by him is beyond me since he has even less power than his editor back in the OG manga and we don't even know what he wrote. Canon is a western phenomena that most of Japan doesn't really care about.
@blakegamarro5660
@blakegamarro5660 3 жыл бұрын
Wait Salad said there’s a DBS Broly visual novel but he showed some manga panels. Did he make a mistake cause I can’t find any info on a visual novel of the broly movie.
@deadeye7650
@deadeye7650 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly do agree with you except me and a few of my friend and a lot of people in the fandom agree that each different continuity is it’s own separate timeline
@baileejohnson9968
@baileejohnson9968 3 жыл бұрын
I loved the fact that you blured out the forbidden movie
@blue_wolfproductions12
@blue_wolfproductions12 3 жыл бұрын
This is how canon in Dragon Ball works to me Manga: Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball: Minus(even though I hate it), Dragon Ball (all 42 volumes) + DBS manga + DBS: Broly Anime: Bardock: Father of Goku, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z/ Kai, The History of Trunks special, Yo Son Goku and His Friends Return, DBZ: BoG, DBZ: RoF, Dragon Ball Super episodes: 28-131, DBS: Broly Dragon Ball GT is non-canon but enjoyable
@cardboard_hat
@cardboard_hat 3 жыл бұрын
I love how you blurred the evolution movie
@roninthefallenva
@roninthefallenva 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like there's only one true question to this video. Everything kind of exists in its own continuity and some forms of Dragon ball media either spread out or converge on each other. Which in a sense means everything is canon... Except the Bio Broly movie.
@salmonmood4447
@salmonmood4447 3 жыл бұрын
am i the only one only paying attention to the fact that Salad's blinking?
@CorundumSW
@CorundumSW 3 жыл бұрын
Is some of the music in the background The Lighthouse by Musicboxes??
@jordandavilabrown294
@jordandavilabrown294 3 жыл бұрын
The retcon of the potara earrings didn't happen in "super", it happened in the Buu saga when Vegito/Vegerot infused back into Goku and Vegeta despite the fact that elder kai said that once you fuse you can never unfuse. All super did was give an explanation to their defusing even though it was meaningless to begin with given the retcon that super had already introduced with kibito kai undoing his fusion by using normal Dragon ball even though elder kai said that once you fuse you can never unfuse.
@ChrisHighlights
@ChrisHighlights 3 жыл бұрын
Goku stated in the buu saga that they defused because of the air inside buu which explains why it happened right when Vegito dropped his barrier
@jordandavilabrown294
@jordandavilabrown294 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisHighlights that still a retcon given the fact that their fusion was meant to be permanent.
@christopherford39
@christopherford39 3 жыл бұрын
@@jordandavilabrown294 i liked dragon ball mutiverse's explanation better on why they defused
@zye4809
@zye4809 3 жыл бұрын
@@jordandavilabrown294 Lmao you're funny. It's permanent when Kai use them, not when Mortals use them. It's pretty common knowledge that the Elder Kai nor Supreme Kai didn't know shit about them when it comes down to Mortals using but hey what do I know?
@jordandavilabrown294
@jordandavilabrown294 3 жыл бұрын
@@zye4809 a retcon is still a retcon no matter what you say.
@blackspooby24productions
@blackspooby24productions 3 жыл бұрын
To me if the story flows and gives the great feeling the show and manga does im okay with it that's why I love fan mamga channels such as this 😍
@SmartAlec86
@SmartAlec86 3 жыл бұрын
More often than not, people often misuse the term "non-canon". In fact, the term "non-canon" is almost a nonsensical term. There is no such thing as non-canon. You can say that something is non-canon in relation to a specific continuity. For example, GT is not "non-canon". But it does have a different continuity than Super, so GT is not canon to Super and vice versa. The movies are not canon to the anime or manga, but they do have their own canon. In other words, canon is relative. Because the anime and manga aren't canon to the movies either. And just to clarify, when I say "the movies", I'm referring to the DBZ movies. The Super movies are canon. Battle of Gods and Ressurection F are just movie versions of two Super arcs. And Dragon Ball Super: Broly is confirmed to exist in the continuity of the anime.
@nabit264
@nabit264 3 жыл бұрын
I like how he blurred dragon ball evolution
@michaelsegal7443
@michaelsegal7443 3 жыл бұрын
Here’s how I like to view it. Two separate cannons. The Dragon Ball, Z, and GT shows being one cannon. GT is a sequel series to the Z anime. The last episode of Z even has a sneak peak of GT. GT takes a filler episode of Z and expanded it to the Baby saga. Toriyama has said that filler is just an expansion of the Manga and GT is a side story. Cannon is possible. I call this the Toei Timeline. Which also includes Rath of the Dragon and Fusion Reborn. Then theirs the Super anime which I view as a sequel to Z Kai. The stuff in super contradicts z but not z Kai. The Toriyama timeline is the manga along with Battle of Gods Resurrection F and the Mew Broly movie The rest of the movies are in there own place. But me. The cannon goes up to the Cell saga. Afterwards not so much.
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
For me its like this, I view the DB, Z & Super mangas as canon along with battle of gods, rof & broly movies. That is down to preference more than anything but things make a lot more sense to me when I go through the series in that manner. As for GT I see it as a side story or potentially a different timeline that continues from the Z anime.
@spideyboigamingyt6571
@spideyboigamingyt6571 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, the entire Original DB manga, the entire Super manga, BoG, RoF, and DBS Broly movies are all in the same timeline
@josealmonte879
@josealmonte879 3 жыл бұрын
I love your vids
@penrose1178
@penrose1178 Жыл бұрын
it matters cause it happens or it doesnt. and i think it does matter to consider. i agree that its all well and fine to enjoy the characters and stories in different ways. saying something isnt canon isnt saying it's good or bad. its just saying that it is or isnt a part of the originally intended story. and just cause a writer helps with assembing a story for a movie doesnt mean a movie is automatically canon. i think ussually it means the OG writer also enjoys playing with their own characters OUTSIDE of the universe to which they belong. outside of the main series. tbh tho, i really really did enjoy this video. it kinda got me thinking like. what if this multiverse stuff is a way of adressing all that. like that big T is trying to break down the 3rd canon wall. haha idk. good video. canon is comp. and GT was fantastic. (which is also why its hard. cause i remember being like 12 or 13? watchng GT and less than half way though my friend mentions in passing "oh no. this dosent really happen" im like wot? "yeah.. the story doesnt actually go in this direction" .... so like everything i was investing in and getting stoked on. this. this is like .. a . what could have been? hm. idk
@yusufgazi7
@yusufgazi7 Жыл бұрын
There should be a Dragon Ball movie where timelines break and GT SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta meet the ones from Super.. would be cool And can include non canon villains like Cooler and stuff breaking through
@LemsLocker
@LemsLocker 3 жыл бұрын
Why the does salad saiyan’s purple cell have an incredibles logo on its chest
@overheatedfrost8947
@overheatedfrost8947 3 жыл бұрын
awesome discussion but please leave a post to tell us when things like this are gonna come up.
@fatherku8879
@fatherku8879 3 жыл бұрын
salad finally lost his shit just staring at the screen so he started blinking
@ahemdgamingyt8503
@ahemdgamingyt8503 3 жыл бұрын
Salad saiyens eyes are very good flow of blinking
@K_The_creator
@K_The_creator Жыл бұрын
My head canon is that the series goes like this DB-DBZ-DBS-End of Z-DBGT This makes the most sense to me tbh
@codyx555
@codyx555 2 жыл бұрын
Toriyama actually confirmed himself that the movies and GT are just alternate timelines. So technically everything is canon
@kenayrodriguez6004
@kenayrodriguez6004 3 жыл бұрын
He blinks. H E B L I N K S
@killa3614
@killa3614 3 жыл бұрын
I have an idea, what if the good part of super 17 turned good? How would it effect the shadow dragon saga?
@jordandillow3423
@jordandillow3423 3 жыл бұрын
Hello mr perfect cell how are you doing
@jordanmyers9226
@jordanmyers9226 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do one of those videos were hit and universe 11 jirn just talking
@ssRyan-gamez
@ssRyan-gamez 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion we all have our own canon like I could say that I think gt is the true timeline then that is canon but it’s just canon for me
@jamesdiciano5319
@jamesdiciano5319 3 жыл бұрын
You the man MAN!
@OfficialGREENscout
@OfficialGREENscout 2 жыл бұрын
My life was much better when i didnt think about canon. I grew up with DBZ budokai so for all i knew, DBGT and DBZ Broly were canon at the time
@buckassnerd1906
@buckassnerd1906 3 жыл бұрын
Certain things are canon within different continuities. I love the Baby saga in GT, but it can't take place within Super. It doesn't matter overall, but just have to keep them timelines straight.
@messiah1915
@messiah1915 2 жыл бұрын
Does Canon matter? To me, it does, at least in the sense of, - How to begin a series - Where does it truly continue - Where will it likely go Personally, I haven't watched the anime but I've watched these videos and what ifs that while clearly spoil the events, I really don't care that I'm spoiled, but for how they are, I can take a good guess how to interpret Canon for the anime Db →Dbz →Dbs ←Battle of gods + Resurrection F Tie In Clearly - Broly Movie (I believe there will be another movie or event in the anime that'll clear up when the Broly movie happens, and if Broly will come to the anime, which I hope happens)
@Kruegernator123
@Kruegernator123 3 жыл бұрын
Non-canon stuff is always cool. Just look at all of the Dragon Ball fan-mangas and animations out there that aren't canon but are still great to read/watch: AF (Toyble & Jiji), Multiverse, New Age, Elsewhere, Reborn as Yamcha, DB Sai, DB Infinity, Super Kai, Kame, Deliverance, etc. Plus the dozens of "What If" Dragon Ball KZbin channels out there as well.
@afanofmoodyblues7941
@afanofmoodyblues7941 3 жыл бұрын
You made this video to explain why so many of your what ifs had super saiyan 4 and other non canon stuff
@Dark40061
@Dark40061 8 ай бұрын
To me is what is canon when not the manga. Manga is the core, and if the anime does not flow with the manga then it's canon.
@judex2559
@judex2559 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized, after watching this video gg is like the canon of end of z and super is the canon of buu saga
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 3 жыл бұрын
In all honesty, I only view manga material (DB, Z & Super), battle of gods, RoF & Broly as canon. Moreso out of preference than anything, I ve never been a fan of the Super anime mainly because they have too many writers that don't understand the series
@denden_is_real
@denden_is_real 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was tripping when I saw your avatar blinking
@itzzhammerzxb1202
@itzzhammerzxb1202 3 жыл бұрын
am i going insane or was salad blinking at the begining
@fittzwmz2641
@fittzwmz2641 3 жыл бұрын
As much as db fans rag on GT, it doesn't matter, it's just what you prefer.
@khimon45
@khimon45 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Salad. Do you know where I can read the manga. Even though I listen too unrelentgaming it's kinda boring as he talk in a regular voice
@55twintv39
@55twintv39 2 жыл бұрын
The Dragon Ball Super outline is a draft of key characters and details for Dragon Ball Super created by original author Akira Toriyama. God of Destruction Beerus Saga Toriyama suggested that the Battle of Gods movie be adapted into a saga of the Dragon Ball Super anime.[6] Golden Frieza Saga Toriyama suggested that the Resurrection ‘F’ movie be adapted into a saga of the Dragon Ball Super anime.[6] Universe 6 Saga Toriyama designed Champa[7], Vados[8], the five members of Team Universe 6 and Monaka.[9] "Future" Trunks Saga Toriyama designed Goku Black, with the designs noting that he could transform into a Super Saiyan and a Super Saiyan of a slightly different color - which he also provided the design for.[1] Toriyama designed Zamasu.[10] The setting being Future Trunks' alternate future, Zamasu's fall to the dark side, the lack of knowing Goku Black's true identity early on in the saga.[2][3] Fused Zamasu as a foe that two Super Saiyan Blues would be more than enough to hold off long enough for his fusion time to run out, Fused Zamasu's immortality being key.[2][3] Toriyama drew part of ""Future" Trunks' Past".[11] Universe Survival Saga Toriyama designed the Tournament of Power arena and the characters Jiren, Top, Dyspo, Ribrianne, Sidra, Quitela, and Korn.[12][13][7] Toriyama jointly designed Belmod and Heles with Toyotarou.[7] After Toei created Kale, Toriyama created Caulifla to go along with her.[13] Super Saiyan is achieved through concentrating energy in the back, causing a tingly feeling.[5] The Tournament of Power was to be eighty people fighting in a jumble.[13] Initially no overview for Jiren's personality was given, but his backstory of his parents and master being killed was added, along with his silent nature.[13] Top is a God of Destruction candidate.[13] The course of events for every Universe 7 warrior (e.g. Piccolo losing to Damon, and who survives until the end).[13] The twist of Majin Buu being replaced by Frieza.[13] The course of the battle between Universe 7 and Universe 11.[14] Perfected Ultra Instinct as a new form for Goku, separate from the Super Saiyan forms.[13] Toriyama drew part of "The Man Named Jiren".[15] Toriyama drew part of "The Super Warriors Gather!, Part 2".[15][16] Toriyama drew part of "Quirky Competitors".[17] Beerus calling Ribrianne cute.[18] Rozie and Kakunsa having the ability to stretch their arms.[18] Toriyama drew part of "Jiren vs. Universe 7".[19] Broly Toriyama wrote the full version of the script.[20] He added much to the character of Broly, notably a sense of innocence.[20] Designs for Cheelai, Lemo and all of Broly's appearances aside from his green-haired Legendary Super Saiyan state.[21] Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga Produced jointly with Toyotarou.[22] Some story elements were entirely created by Toriyama.[23] Toriyama drew part of "To Each Their Own Plans".[24] Toriyama drew part of "Son Goku, Galactic Patrol Officer".[25] Granolah the Survivor Saga Toriyama wrote the draft for this arc.[26] Including elements such as the new information on the Namekians' origins, the introduction of a new set of Dragon Balls, as well as Zuno's role in the story.[27] Toriyama and Toyotarou decided that Vegeta's development would go down a different path from Goku's.[27] Toriyama designed Monaito, originally naming him Slug before changing his name to avoid confusion.[28] Toriyama designed the Sugarians.[28] The Heeters were created by Toriyama.[27] Toriyama helped Toyotarou with his designs for Granolah and the Heeters,[28] putting emphasis on getting the Heeters' designs right.[27] Super Hero Toriyama provides the original concept, wrote the script (including every detail of the dialogue), and drew character designs for the film (changing pre-existing characters to their manga designs rather than those used in the anime). It has been said that he is even more invested in this film than the prior three he wrote.[29]
@55twintv39
@55twintv39 2 жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball canon (正史, seishi; Literally meaning "official history")[1] was first officially defined during the Tokyo Skytree + Viz North America Tour in an exhibit called the History of Dragon Ball. It was later reaffirmed in December 2018 in Weekly Shōnen Jump. As of the start of this tour on November 1 , 2018 , the official canon of Dragon Ball includes Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga (which composes both Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z in the West) and the Dragon Ball Super manga, which has its story written by Toriyama and artwork drawn by Toyotarō.[2] Additionally, despite not being adapted by the Dragon Ball Super manga as Dragon Ball Z: God and God was, Toriyama has confirmed that the events of Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" are a canonical continuation of his manga, as well.[3] He also considers the Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga and its extra chapter, Dragon Ball Minus, to be connected to his series.[4] Most recently, Toriyama added Broly and Gogeta into the Dragon Ball canon with Dragon Ball Super: Broly.[1]
@dungton6066
@dungton6066 3 жыл бұрын
13:15 yeah you tell him tbh DB evolution is kinda slap
@maritimesteak8540
@maritimesteak8540 3 жыл бұрын
It's a separate canon which is something people just don't understand it's not canon to the main timeline there is multiple different versions there are official versions which are still canon but then there is main canon
@deadtheories4170
@deadtheories4170 2 жыл бұрын
It matters for debates
@pacecory1
@pacecory1 2 жыл бұрын
so, the thing about dragon ball cannon, I feel like the idea of multiverses, everything is cannon in some universe. Xenoverse, and Heroes opens a lot of really fun doors.
@afanofmoodyblues7941
@afanofmoodyblues7941 3 жыл бұрын
Do a discussion video about rebooting dragon ball
@yourboi8901
@yourboi8901 3 жыл бұрын
5:03 boi you lying trunks got his sword from tapion
@brandonthedford1285
@brandonthedford1285 3 жыл бұрын
What if goku discovered SSGod instead of ss4 when fighting baby? Would it make the events of super take place after GT? Be interesting to see omega shenron revived to fight in the TOP instead of frieza
@Exoneos
@Exoneos 3 жыл бұрын
For me it's matter because the canon is the back bone of the franchise. Now that said Salad I have a question for you how would you write a Dragon Ball story that encompass everything that has happened in Dragon Ball all piece of Story combine in one cohesive block?
@Tom020894
@Tom020894 3 жыл бұрын
I think your totally right Salad! Canon or non Canon its still Dragonball a series I grew up with and love to death^^
@merus8891
@merus8891 3 жыл бұрын
ehh iy doesn't matter canon or not as long as it is good
@Coolgamer..
@Coolgamer.. 3 жыл бұрын
I kind agree
@arhturcosta4066
@arhturcosta4066 Жыл бұрын
canon is something that everyone can have something personal, regardless of someone who has the authority to say so. in another words, just enjoy the story and trying to make interesting interpretations via fanfics and other means fan-made formats to have exciting scenarios and most important, having fun. so doesn't matter, it is canon or not. just be happy. nothing else
@tiptoedestination4756
@tiptoedestination4756 3 жыл бұрын
Bojack movie can fit well in cannon but I think they still don't count it.
@omnisystem6030
@omnisystem6030 3 жыл бұрын
Ok I’m gonna say there isn’t an exact Canon but I have my own head canon of canons 1. Dragon Ball - Dragon Ball Z - Dragon Ball GT 2. Dragon Ball (Manga or Anime) - Dragon Ball Z/Kai - Dragon Ball Super (Anime or Manga) 3. Dragon Ball Movies (Except DBS Movies) 4. Super Dragon Ball Heroes or other Video games 5. Dragon Ball Evolution So stop saying GT isn’t canon it’s just a Different Canon
@bartold7080
@bartold7080 3 жыл бұрын
GT is canon to itself and not the main continuum, since Toriyama himself said it is a side story, akin to the DBZ movies in that sense. What is canon to many is what is canon to main continuum. The main continuum consists of Dragonball Part 1, Dragonball Part 2 (AKA Dragonball Z, and anime = manga according to Toriyama 1989 Anime and Me interview), and Dragonball Super. Edit: This is not to say GT shouldn't be enjoyed as an expansion of Dragonball lore. Same Heroes, Xenoverse, movies, etc. By all means have fun with it. I have my own GT dvd/ blue ray set.
@omnisystem6030
@omnisystem6030 3 жыл бұрын
@@bartold7080 true
@khimon45
@khimon45 3 жыл бұрын
You're smart. And all non cannon is just dragon Ball not written by Tori
@omnisystem6030
@omnisystem6030 3 жыл бұрын
@@khimon45 who is and what do u mean
@khimon45
@khimon45 3 жыл бұрын
@@omnisystem6030 you. And I'm basically agreeing with what you say non cannon is
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