Racing the 2025 Honda Grom // The Ultimate Ride Review

[@chrisgentle3195]

You belong on that track just as much as anyone else there, the knowledge you have imparted via your KZbin channel has not only improved the riding experience for many of your viewers but also saved many lives I am sure. Some of those other guys could only dream as being as influential as yourself. Keep up the great work Dave what you're doing is important and I tell as many of my biker friends as possible to watch your lessons.

[@CanyonChasers]

That is so kind. Thank you so much!!

[@mojosdad68]

Indeed.

[@Next2Null]

Coming from the sportbike world, I picked up a 125cc (Papio SS, Styling has me😍😍) and honestly thebonly complaint I have is not being able to ride comfortably on highway. (Tops out at like 65MPH) In America its really hard to leave town without them. BUT. Just cruising around the neighborhood, taking the bike into smaller areas, or trails I wouldn't take the bike bikes on, and learning to stunt without risk of dying. Has honestly made the mini bike world just as, if not more fun than "Canyon Chasing". I can rip the whole trottle without breaking the speed limit. Teach my friends how to ride very easily without hurting them. Overall just a super fun bike, its honestly just a bicycle with a motor. I personally still need a bigger bike just for longer trips. But most people would have the time of their lives on a Grom/other 125cc.

[@richardkrueger6654]

i’m 70 years old when i ride 2022 abs Grom i’m 20 again i have ridden all my life all bigger bikes none more enjoyable than my Honda Grom

[@thedjjj9702]

I had 2 2022 Groms, one was abs (my sons) sons car broke down so we sold his to get an another car until I fixed his (2015 Ford Focus ST bad head) I sold mine to get the Trail 125 which is more dirt worthy and fisherman friendly. I’ve had probably had at least 50 plus bikes in my lifetime. I’ve never missed any of them the way I miss the Grom. Long story short, I’m in the midst of saving the money to get two 2025’s.

[@PetroHead]

Cool video Dave and great meeting you at the event!

[@CanyonChasers]

Thanks! You too!

[@AbdullahLodhi-so4mp]

you definitely deserved the invite man, your coaching has improved our riding and took it to a whole new level. This is the best channel to learn about riding.

[@CanyonChasers]

I appreciate that!

[@ozzie4306]

Man this is the first video of yours I’ve seen in a long time. I’ve been subscribed for over a year. Don’t know why none of your videos have been showing up on my feed. Now I’ve gotta go back and watch all the ones I missed.

[@CanyonChasers]

Thats so frustrating, right? You're not the only person who has been telling me this.

[@fixit9844]

the grom was the bike that i learned on in my basic rider course! it was so much fun. i was so short i looked actually very normal on the grom, lol.

[@thecappy]

I did the PA MSF course on one. Felt like cheating. It’s the Miata of the motorcycle world.

[@FlesHBoX]

lol, while watching this that's all I could think about. "This sounds like driving my miata". Slow bike fast!

[@CanyonChasers]

Thats a great analogy. Maybe I should hijack the Miata saying "there are only two kinds of riders; those who want a Grom, and those who don't know they want a Grom."

[@FlesHBoX]

@@CanyonChasers Grom Is Always The Answer? lol

[@nephilymbass1]

A doctor I work with that owns a nice Indian motorcycle used a grom for his test lol

[@Knoxvillemoto]

My wife just bought a 2025 grom last week as her first bike. She bought it after we got back from a motorcycle track weekend at barber. Originally she wanted it as a sort of pit bike but now shes going to the msf course. I love this little bike!

[@williamfaulk6367]

Did you test ride them at track?

[@Knoxvillemoto]

@williamfaulk6367 no, she just saw a ton of people riding them as pit bikes. I think it inspired her to learn to ride.

[@grapemustard881]

I love this Dave!! you've made it!! well done with the travel vlog

[@CanyonChasers]

Thanks so much!

[@bramweinreder2346]

You're hands down my favourite riding channel. And it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow. So this makes it the perfect video :)

[@CanyonChasers]

Wow, thanks!

[@GeorgiaRiderCoach]

We've had several ZPros (Kasawaski's Grom) in this family (a dad and 3 adult boys who ride) and no matter how many times we sell them, we end up getting another in the near future. Maybe we should just keep one. They are awesomely fun!

[@pmdinaz]

My wife and I both bought a Z125, comparable to the Grom. We rode it here and there. She even had hers customized with rear sets and anodized the rims, footpegs, levers etc. It was fun, but there's some pretty serious limitations out on the open road that made them less fun if I'm being honest. If you live someplace with 30 mph roads, that people *_actually_* do the speed limit, I think they would be fine. Around here, speed limit signs are ignored as much as BMW owners and turn signal levers. We ended up selling them, but we did okay on that end too.

[@Wroteread]

I want to build out an adventure Grom. Let’s do it Dave!

[@joesjunkgarage]

Just found your channel. Excellent review of the Honda Grom!

[@CanyonChasers]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

[@soujrnr]

Dave, you are MOST DEFINITELY not out of your league there! Your humility is quite admirable, though. I laughed myself to tears when you shared about canceling your turn signal instead of honking the horn. I about fell out of my chair. Sounds like me on my Gold Wing trying to enable the cruise control only to find out over and over again that the starter doesn't engage while riding, but it also doesn't engage the cruise control. My buddy had a Grom. He's an engineer and tricked out his Grom to get the best speed and performance out of it. He got it to top out at 84 MPH, and I believe he did some suspension work on it as well. He sold it after taking on a new job, but I suspect he'll get another one. For now, he bought himself a new Suzuki GSX-8R and has already modded it. He also brought it down to Traxxion Dynamics to have the suspension upgraded as well. It's a sweet ride!

[@CanyonChasers]

Dude! Thank you! Sincerely!

[@johnsaporta4633]

Fun video. My wee little bike is a 1970 Honda CL100. Riding small bikes fast is a giggle.

[@CanyonChasers]

It’s more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow.

[@danielstewart7732]

Thanks for the time an effort in to making entertaining top notch videos. My 15 year old daughter has been asking about riding motorcycles, and I have been wondering if a Grom would be a place for her to start at, a bike that will be good to take her through her first few years.

[@CanyonChasers]

Just don't rob it from her too often for your own "testing" 😎

[@SereneDJ]

Get her one. I'm a small female and it is perfect for me to learn on.

[@mr.e5930]

What where the track ready grom upgrades ?

[@deauvilledad07]

Great video Dave. Will now look at the grom with new eyes. Stay safe and ride well. 🤓

[@DennisTheMenace5150]

I work an eighth of a mile from my house. So I bought one. I am 59 years old and 290 lb but I want to have fun for the 10-minute ride to work. My 2024 Harley-Davidson lowrider St will be sitting a lot now

[@AwTheGears]

Another great video mate. I'm seriously considering a Monkey or a Grom. I took the Multistrada to the IOM TT this year. I was on the unrestricted mountain section with the Limiter on the back of the bike (Mrs Gears) and we were enjoying a leisurely ride up the mountain road (which is one-way at TT times) and I was passed on my left by a Honda Monkey and on the right by a Honda Grom. Both riders with their chins on the tank, grinning from ear to ear!!! I gave them an approving nod as they slowly went by and we toodled along. 😂👍 (Just for clarification, there were no other such incidents the 2nd time I went round the course, when Mrs Gears WASN'T on the back!) 😬👍 Slainte!!! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@CanyonChasers]

Its pretty fun to run around at WFO

[@mitchrichardson744]

Grom was my first bike! It IS the gateway drug! I got lots of attention riding it! …(“Mommy look at the trained bear riding the toy motorcycle!”)

[@CanyonChasers]

Seriously!?! That was your first bike!?! That’s awesome!

[@AsianVoodoo]

I LOVE racing minis and have raced a Z125 at the proving grounds and done the endurance! Racing minis is its own unique kind of good time in the same way that racing go karts is always a blast even if you are a big hypersport car guy. Depending on the config you can keep a 125 wide open for 3/4 of the proving grounds. That was a big aha moment for me and lead me to really examining how much I needed to let off throttle for certain turns on the big bike. Some turns need a little roll off, some need a lot but as they say in YCS "The throttle is a dimmer not a switch!" because there are a lot of turns that don't need roll off at all! There's a ton of nuance to that but it dropped my lap times a lot by looking at a track config and really critically asking how much do I need to roll off for this turn for this bike at this speed/gear/point in the rev range.

[@omarjassar4650]

What are the benefits of lengthening the exhaust pipe ??

[@CanyonChasers]

Typically, more torque due to a phenomenon called scavenging. Basically one exhaust pulse helps pull the next exhaust pulse out because of a low pressure area in between pulses. Super cool stuff.

[@omarjassar4650]

@CanyonChasers thank you 👍😎

[@Ramon51650]

1st: You are totally worthy of an invite; why shouldn't you "hobnob with your fellow wizards"? This past weekend, the guy who singlehandedly modified my Hypermotard, rolled into Alice's , he and his highly capable motorcyclist fiancé on Groms! I was at once floored, intrigued and smiling at their antics. They couldn't stop smiling and chatting about how much fun they were having on a pair of loaners. So guess who's going to buy one? Yep! Thanks for the review!

[@RealMuroc]

GREAT video! Groms are the perfect tool to fine tune riding skills. Their super light weight magnifies every control input and body weight adjustment, demanding you become a smooth rider. Those skills carry over to my other bikes on the street and track. Join the Grom forums and you will learn what essential mods you need for the best experience. Pre 2020 Grom with a big bore kit (180 CC kitaco neo) , aRacer ecu with wideband AFR, oil cooler, aftermarket intake and exhaust, Racing Bros suspension front and rear, sintered brake pads, BST wheels. Like an Ohvale that is street legal. I lead liter bikes on tight twisty mountain roads on my Grom. If I could only have one bike, ( and I have many including 400, 600, 1000cc class bikes plus an Energica) it would be the Grom.

[@CanyonChasers]

I love it. They are crazy amounts of fun!

[@bfarm44]

Mini motos are just fun as hell. Got a great deal on a z125pro and a few mods later I just have a huge smile every time I ride

[@Dorench]

I've live with 14 different bikes for over a year each, and probably ridden 70ish bikes in total, from 50cc scooters to roadkings to busa's. I've lived with a grom for nearly 6 years now. Once you're used to it, it kinda makes more sense. The horn is more intuitively placed in a panic, just hook up something a little more substantial, whilst the indicators take slightly more effort to operate which makes us aware of how we're indicating.

[@stevenb7319]

It’s a great little bike. I have the new 4th Gen Grom that I chose over used ones since there was only a few hundred $ or ¥ difference. They sell out so quick. I can see the complaints about no top end being relevant in the US where there are wide open spaces with 70 mph speed limits. I happen to be in the perfect location for the grom where the max speed is 49 mph or 80 kph and it’s all twisty beautiful roads through jungles and on the coast. A grom in places like rural Texas it’s rough. For island living, I would be hard pressed to find a better bike.

[@stevereason6931]

Why do you say a Grom in rural places like Texas is rough? The reason I ask, I'm seriously considering a Monkey and I live in rural Texas.

[@spdcrzy]

This is a perfect errand runabout when 1) you don't need to get on the highway, 2) don't need to drive more than a couple miles, and 3) the weather is anything even close to normal.

[@SereneDJ]

I absolutely LOVE my grom. I'm biased because it's my first and I've only been riding for 6 weeks but it is freaking awesome! ❤❤ Mines a 2024 and it was "new" (had 90 miles on it). I ended up buying new because used ones cost just as much. I'm turning her into an adventure grom. BUY ONE!

[@CanyonChasers]

Great to hear!

[@andyboulais8754]

I have 2 bikes, a 2024 Honda grom and a 2024 Kawasaki ninja 500 se 40th anniversary abs. Both bikes are fun. The from makes me feel like a kid again and the got the ninja 40th anniversary as a replacement for my wrecked ninja 400. Plus I loved the 90’s paint scheme.

[@naptime43x]

it is a bit weird they would flip the position of such important things such as turn signal and horn, but is the horn so quiet that you cant hear it over the road noise with a helmet on?

[@adam346]

in areas with a large motorcycle community the Grom makes more sense because of it's naturally goofy nature but where I am, basically a suburb of Toronto, there really isn't that large a group or culture of riding so when you do see one, you wave like you would any normal bike but you are not going to be invited to bike-nights and not going to be invited out on rides. I think the cb300r is just that much more of a full bike experience and will do highway speeds all day making it that much more practical while being lighter or weigh the same as most dual-sports.

[@CanyonChasers]

Fair point. We have a RC390 in the garage so I totally see where you're coming from.

[@devinolivas9680]

Great video and content

[@CanyonChasers]

Much appreciated

[@madmaxximus1234]

Noted! New name was added to my list of names. Speed-onezee😂😂😂😂👍👍🤙

[@zeplin4078]

Great video, thanks for sharing

[@CanyonChasers]

Thanks for watching!

[@HondaRay]

Just go buy a new one like I did last week. I went to my local Honda dealer with 4,500 and rode out on a 2025 Candy Blue Grom with some spare change in my pocket. Plus you are getting the new plastics!!

[@CanyonChasers]

Used prices are crazy! And happy #NBD!

[@williamfaulk6367]

Out of those 3 hours endurance race how many miles did your teammates covered? Was it like concern over heating since it air cooled right I may be mistaken.

[@CanyonChasers]

You know, i don't know how many miles we covered. It was insanely hot. And no, no overheating issues whatsoever. I joked when we first arrived that if we spent too much time on the big track we'd blow up the engines. Well, the next day we spent some time flogging them on the big track, and again, they were fantastic. WFO EVERYWHERE. And they just did it.

[@williamfaulk6367]

@ awesome! I was speculating about the difference with air cool and liquid cooled cuz I’m looking into grom and it gonna be my first bike I can do upgrade with it. Or maybe get a second. Cuz I caught myself daydreaming touring across America once bike before I kick the bucket.

[@big_red_joe]

Groms are sick, i ended up getting a papio ss but

[@Next2Null]

Love my Papio SS! We all gotta start mini Papio SS meets! Such cool little bikes

[@RAF238thCdr84]

Honda has the horn/turn signal on all their bikes upside down compared to other makes. Ive got other makes and after riding something else for awhile I'm blowing the horn at every corner when I get back on a Honda...

[@bramweinreder2346]

Groms are very charming. But a lot of what you said also goes for the Hunter 350, which has a lot more power for not even twice the money. It's enough of a compromise that it's both a Grom and secondary motir rolled into one commuter bike that looks like a small Bonneville. Of course im biased, but a honest good and practical bike doesn't need to cost a lot. The smaller to intermediate form factors are a lot of fun.

[@CanyonChasers]

100% agree!

[@Tracer9GTRider8]

Many folks west of that big river don't realize the roads we have east of that river - with the exception of NC & TN cuz everyone knows about those states with regards to riding. I live in SW PA and have easy access to awesome twisty and winding roads in PA, SE Ohio (look up OH-26), WV, and VA.

[@CanyonChasers]

Lets add to the joy: You ride in the shade!

[@Tracer9GTRider8]

@@CanyonChasers that too! My profile pic is from US16 in VA. It's known as The Back of the Dragon and is a blast!

[@lefterisbampaidis5446]

Finally someone mentioning what honda has done with the horn and signals position. All motorcycles for the past 100 years have agreed to that, but no, Honda just has yo be different. And not in a good or useful way. Random info: Grom's name in Europe is MSX and it costs 3.900$USD

[@CanyonChasers]

MSX is cooler sounding than Grom. Although I learned that Grom is australian/NZ slang for "Promising young surfer"

[@MrBCRC]

Thought about a grom for my missus and my daughter to learn on. Ended up with an MT03 because the price difference just made the mt03 a more sensible purchase

[@MyWifesBoyfriend-pp8kq]

Good call, that is a much better first bike anyway.

[@roberthumphries6090]

No doubt a fun machine, but didn't you say the ones you rode were prepped with Ohlins suspension for racing? Did you ride & evaluate one with stock suspension, too?

[@CanyonChasers]

Yes. The one I rode for the second half of the video was bone stock.

[@Marchem0rt]

I really would love to have a grom or a monkey 125 as a secondary small bike. Both are very cute and cool, how can one do not like those ?

[@CanyonChasers]

I spent part of the second day on the Monkey bike and I too am very torn. The monkey bike is even more charming than the Grom, but the Grom handles a wee bit better. It's not an easy decision.

[@Cushionoutdoors]

Love the grom I have a 2018 with alot of mods and I ride it more then any bike I got. BTW what backpack is that in the video

[@CanyonChasers]

That’s a Kriega motorcycle backpack. No affiliation but Kriega bags are the bomb!

[@sheldonabbey555]

8.5hp is fun in it's own way, but wait until you experience one with double the power... especially on the track with friends ;-)

[@sheldonabbey555]

@treboloscuro621 CV = HP (horsepower) in USA, stock they're around 8.5 depending on the Dyno & conditions when tested... 16+ changes the game on track ;-)

[@Ramon51650]

BTW: I rolled into my garage with a new 2023 Grom an hour ago! WOW - it's light weight!! It'll only be a matter of days before Gresinni(sp) contacts me! 🤣

[@CanyonChasers]

Happy NBD. It’s the best day!!

[@stevemoore9951]

GREETINGS FROM THE PPRC GREAT VIDEO, I WOULD GO FOR A NEW ONE.🇺🇸🏍️

[@Wintersdark]

Awesome! I love them and would absolutely own one if not for being 6'4" and 300lb. Small is ok, but there's a point where you just can't really ride it.

[@CanyonChasers]

Very true! You and I have opposite problems. There's an entire slew of really cool bikes that are just completely impractical for me to own. Last time I rode a KTM Adventure, I had to look for logs and curbs to stop next to so I could get my foot to the ground.

[@Wintersdark]

@@CanyonChasers hah in all seriousness, the KTM SA is a CHONKY boy. Even for me, while it was in no way too big, the bike is so wide it forces your legs uncomfortably far apart, making it's seat effectively much taller than it actually is. It feels *enormous* as a result, and is much harder to get your feet down than most bikes of its seat height.

[@williamfaulk6367]

Honda dealership in Houston asking for 4700 after dropped from 5200 I’m like huh! That’s too high for 2025 grom sp idk I may have to go in another state or something.

[@heybruh3274]

Quarter Million Subscribers is a small channel?? (eye roll). The helmet graphics look like a little kitty face. Seems right for the Grom Squad. Whoot!

[@CanyonChasers]

I always thought it had a Guy Fawkes thing going on.

[@nephilymbass1]

Groms are a blast, one big downside is dealer markup though. That’s also why used ones are so expensive. Grom owners know you can’t buy a new grom for MSRP. If Honda would start selling their mini moto line at hardware stores that sell Honda lawnmowers and stuff with no dealer markup the grom would conquer the United States. But the markups are so bad a lot of people just get 300cc bike instead

[@lylemacdonald6672]

You would keep it because it is just so damn cute.

[@CanyonChasers]

Its so cute!

[@OfficialPhiLlyz_FiNeSt]

I’m laughing my good friend Allan lane won this race too funny he’s in your video

[@CanyonChasers]

I love that guy!! He’s awesome!

[@wanderlpnw]

Honda has the horn and turn signals there on every bike. It's their thing, I guess. Takes forever to get used to.

[@lorimcquinn3966]

25cc short of Nirvana. Why were 90cc-125cc bikes faster than this 50 years ago?

[@lorimcquinn3966]

@treboloscuro621 125 cc SL Honda, 4 stroke dual sport bike. .....1972. I owned the bikes when they were new.

[@lorimcquinn3966]

@treboloscuro621 No, just stating facts, the air cooled Honda 125 SL Air cooled 4 stroke was faster in 1972 than a current Grom 125 cc Air cooled 4 stroke and could maintain a higher speed although had a carb, points, and was heavier and taller. Where's the progress? As far as power limitation for a D/L in the U.S., where are you finding this information for a 125cc bike?

[@TonMachielsen]

It’s just that they don’t sell Groms over here.

[@brendenjack3314]

I really want one to just practice stunts in a parking lot

[@CanyonChasers]

I really want to learn how to do wheelies!

[@mzondi1970]

I say drop it $1,000 Honda and beer dealers are making that back and increase the horsepower by at least 5 to 7 horse there are some bigger dudes that want to ride one of these but with it only going as fast as a scooter when you get a 260 lb or on their it don't make much sense for us to buy one and I don't want a full size bike I just want something to run around and do my daily errands

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Who said you can't have top spec brakes and suspension components on a 124cc minibike? haha

[@nml5398]

🤗👍

[@HoodThrashin91]

Is anyone else liking. The 2024 model better than the 2025 ?.. 🙋

[@CrissaKentavr]

Ehh, rather have an electric ^-^ ...Alas they're not as cheap.

[@CanyonChasers]

I'm so excited about eMoto! They're coming!!

[@ktkace]

its... overrated... Air filter and front fork spring changes is a nightmare. NGL given the current specs it should be max 3K USD. or 190CC + 6 speed. PS. the horn / indicator button is indication of the "neo honduh" design ethos , which imho is extreemly retarded. same shit on the hornet 750/ transalp. PS2. i own a really old honda and the horn / indicators is... in the right place. and it has 6 speed. gonna ride it till the end of time. not buying the new honduhs.