Can we turn a single shot handgonne into a repeater the 15th century way? - Part I.

[@joearledge1]

Lol that hesitation before pouring the second charge down the muzzle 😂

[@capandball]

@@joearledge1 :D

[@joearledge1]

@@capandball I would have hesitated too buddy

[@phileas007]

Now this is a BOOMSTICK!

[@serhatyalcin3595]

Bombastic 😂

[@gordondelacroix253]

Repeating handgonne you say? That's probably more interesting than the Danish Voss rocket-ball for muzzle loaders, and I thought that was unbeatable !

[@BcFuTw9jt]

You can mix corn meal, or baking soda into the powder to slow it down, just like with the parachute charge on a hobby sugar rocket.

[@capandball]

Yes, can work, but I am really curious about how it worked according to the 15th century reipes.

[@douglasmaccullagh7865]

A handgonne made with modern steel would be a welcome addition to my muzzleloaders. Very nice, even if not very useful.

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

The Rifle Shoppe has a number of Handgonne kits! Or, Home Depot has plumbing parts…

[@davidtipton7149]

I'm happy to see someone covering this. Love this channel.

[@coitusergosum2447]

16:54 That's the optimism we need. None of this "barrel is half empty" nonsense

[@capandball]

:)

[@colinarmstrong1892]

Another interesting video and very informative as always. I used to demonstrate the earlier version the pole gonne which required 2 people to operate, the gunner who held it and the caliniator who light the powder. The 3 i had all had a bore on 25.4mm and would shoot a large crossbow bolt . No accuracy to speak of but killing may not have been the primary use of such early firearms, rather scaring the enemy into running away.

[@Aminuts2009]

Love the experimental archeology.

[@JG-six-gun]

Thanks for your hard work and video!

[@AbananaPEEl]

This Hunglish Language KZbinr Still Makes Single Shot Handgonnes Into Repeaters The Old Fashioned Way!

[@matthewspeller]

Definitely not the safest thing you've shown us! Fascinating though... Looking forward to the next video.

[@capandball]

No, I would not do it from hand.

[@thuhillmallawen198]

Hello sir Please do a video series on reloading cartridges of vintage calibers which are very scarcely available in the market I am a great fan of your work I am from India gun laws are very strict and your video have helped me in gaining valuable information on various guns Thank you 🙏🏽

[@franzputsch254]

I really enjoyed seeing tandem loads in action. What fun!

[@pascuallorenzojuan-pedrorojas]

Very interesting ! And crazy to ! I love the video 👍🏻

[@feraltweed]

Ok. I have been waiting for this. I was thinking you would drill super exposed touch holes. I hope you try it. Thanks for posting

[@capandball]

That will be a future project!

[@HSstriker]

love it! been in need for some good handgonne content for awhile!

[@LovesTrains440]

19:45 The fine grains of primitive serpentine powder would probably fix this issue like you mentioned. I make my own for my .62 caliber handgonne. I'm not sure if it's legal to make in Hungary though. It touches off very slowly, enough time for me to shoulder it like a rocket launcher and aim. Great video! I was hoping you'd get to this very obscure subject. Thank you very much for informing everyone of this in video from! I hope next you test firing arrows from it!

[@olibertosoto5470]

Very interesting vid. Something I could see myself messing around with in the country back yard with an old barrel - iffy as hell but cool as hell too!

[@dakotachristensen3397]

It’s amazing how firearms have improved over the centuries

[@Lohgoss]

Wonderful video as usual, a shame youtube is such a bad plattform for creators. With how wild some of the illustrations in military manuals are, it's great seeing them put to the test, even more when they turn out functional.

[@claydallen5308]

Thank you for your research in this area, and the entertaining way you present the information! 😁👍

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

Now this is a classic old school firearm.

[@gvii]

I'd have to believe hitting anything more than a 5 or 10 feet in front of you would be more luck than much else. It's hard enough to aim and initiate a single shot in the best of conditions. I'd have to imagine it would be significantly harder with large, angry, armored man trying to poke you with a very long pointy stick or hack at you with a very sharp and fast bar of steel. Not to mention that manufacturing methods of the day would always have you wondering if today would be the day your handgonne would suddenly decide it would rather be a bomb. But it's really neat seeing this being done. And I can't blame you for using the lead sled to fire it. Being of modern steel, that thing will be infinitely stronger than even the best built devices of the day. But I still wouldn't want to be holding it with that going on. Very, very cool stuff.

[@TomasFunes-rt8rd]

Can it hit a large formation of soldiers...?

[@DPRK_Best_Korea]

The gunner would be one of several men shooting a volley into a formation of enemy soldiers, so the accuracy was not much of a problem.

[@skippymctwist7]

You could probably try to powder the BP entirely (meal), add 5% dextrin/gum arabic or similar and ram the mix into the hole in the slug, more or less like a spolette for fireworks. If you are somewhat heavy handed on the binder it should slow the burn down a bit as well. Another alternative could be to run a strand of visco fuse through the hole in the slug. Although not very historically accurate, you could seal around the openings with e.g. hot glue at both ends. Cut the visco diagonally to improve ignition (more exposed core), or even prime it by dipping into BP +5% binder slurry.

[@capandball]

These will be tried in the next part already fimed.

[@skippymctwist7]

@@capandball Awesome, looking forward to see your results :)

[@1970bosshemi]

Your video quality and educational content is absolutely incredible.

[@Archaic-Arms]

Fantastic work! Already looking forwards to the next instalment. You’ve probably already thought of this, but what I’d try next is “priming” each bullet by filling the hole with serpentine powder and compressing the powder in till it sticks. These prepared bullets could be carried in a pouch like normal, dropping the need for “ignition charges” during loading, and speeding up the process as a result.

[@capandball]

Thanks! I tried it, will be covered in the next chapter.

[@ethankaryadi37]

I was expecting some over the top production value on par with the likes of MrBeast in this video. To my rather pleasant surprise, it was a very down-to-earth guide with much historical value. Also, are the manuscripts from the same Martin Luther who kickstarted the Protestant Reformation? If so, then thank you for bringing up his military ingenuity.

[@gordondelacroix253]

You won't get this kind of video here ever. Cap and Ball makes really good educational shooting content. It's a great underrated channel !

[@matteoorlandi856]

"we don't do that here" This Is One of the best history and gun related channels on KZbin. Every time i Watch One of this video i leave with more knowledge than when i started. And the host Is Simply a gentleman.

[@thrifikionor7603]

I think he is mispronouncing it a bit, im sure he means Martin Löffelholz

[@capandball]

@@thrifikionor7603 Definitely, Löffelholz is the name.

[@ethankaryadi37]

@@capandball and here I thought Martin Luther took being a Christian soldier a bit too literally. Anyways, thanks for the clarification.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Thank you for the quality content, as usual!

[@rlborger]

Very interesting study! Looking forward to the next installment.]

[@csorgb05]

you could temporarily mount a laser sight to the handle for better/easier aiming and accuracy. It would also show how much the barrel moves with each successive roman candle shot.

[@capandball]

A tactical handgonne. :) But good indea indeed.

[@Justowner]

probably not a bad idea from a safety perspective, get you some better surety of where there thing is pointing.

[@bubblehead6160]

That was a great experiment

[@capandball]

And it is not over! :) 2nd part is just being edited.

[@paulharding1621]

Wow, fascinating. Bravery or foolishness needed. Great content.

[@arfyego0682]

I was just reading about these today!!

[@juleswhicker]

Another wonderful video, and I suspect just an appetiser for the next one! (Also enjoyable are the sound of footsteps running away as soon as the fuse is lit! The proper way to do such things is to cut just enough fuse to let you stroll nonchalantly into cover a fraction of a second before the "bang!" Pro tip: for extra swagger, give yourself an extra second to pause on your way to examine some imaginary but clearly fascinating particle on the ground. It'll have any spectators on the edge of their seats.)

[@capandball]

:D

[@marktompkinstreasurehunter4363]

Great video. I'll be looking forward to the follow-up video.

[@bertroost1675]

Very interesting and educational. Thank you!

[@M.M.83-U]

This is extremely interesting! Thank you.

[@SilntObsvr]

And now we know beyond a doubt why the Roman candle loading gave way to multiple touch holes or multiple vents with either multiple locks or a movable lock in flintlock days. And why double (or occasionally triple) barrels stuck around to the present, and superposed loads didn't until Metalstorm came up with a reliably way to ignited the loads in order and on time.

[@forgit4562]

Very informative. Loving the history. Thanks

[@Luc-dm6fi]

A funny gun reminds me of the movie Princess Mononoke

[@no-one3795]

Oh ya. I remember it now 😆

[@meatybtz]

Handgonnes, fire-pikes, and similar.. including arquebuses and even breach loading cannons were in heavy use by the period depicted in that movie in Japan. Quite literally, samurai LOVED guns and cannons.

[@Luc-dm6fi]

​@@meatybtz In the film it is said that it was done by the Chinese

[@meatybtz]

@@Luc-dm6fi indeed but the actual real world history is that the Japanese were fully integrated with firearms very early on.

[@generalvictorironraven.1347]

​@@Luc-dm6fiyes the Chinese invented gunpowder and they did a lot of cool experiments with it including rockets and landmines. I always find it interesting when something is first invented and nobody has any experience with it so nobody knows exactly what works and what doesn't. You get some crazy and impressive ideas like early cars (before the model T) early tanks etc.

[@segelreto]

I like this subject, well done. And with the slower serpentine powder you could eventually try the "ignite under arm, put on shoulder, aim and fire - shot."

[@capandball]

Definitely. In the next chapter I'll also be using meal powder.

[@Gaspard129]

Creating an effective, and reliable incendiary delay chain is quite tricky. Great video! Also, was it common to fire these handgonnes with multiple balls (2 to 5) just to increase hit probability?

[@capandball]

That's a good question. These Kriegsbuch type sources show quite a lot weird things as well. Some of them clearly never worked.

[@sheywithrow9387]

I think you can get it to work, cant wait till the next video

[@michaelchen8643]

I suppose if people had better imagination back then if they had a concept of a blender bus, which is basically like a large bell and putting it about a pound of a shot that would’ve been much more effective even with a touch hole

[@GaiusCaligula234]

Not really

[@SimonUdd]

Ah yes the medieval version of the Toob

[@GaiusCaligula234]

The toob?

[@SimonUdd]

@@GaiusCaligula234 it started as a nickname for the Sten gun that was basically a tube but today all firearms that well basically is a tube or a pipe is jokingly referred to as a Toob

[@GaiusCaligula234]

@@SimonUdd Ah, got it - cheers

[@gurra63able]

It seems the process can be provision dangerous time consuming and cumbersome in a field battle perhaps when defending a castle/fortress. Thank you.

[@matteoorlandi856]

i guess those would be fired at the "opening" of the battle in the field, then you would load them as usual

[@capandball]

That's my conclusion as well.

[@no-one3795]

The great-great-grandfather of firearms

[@GaiusCaligula234]

It is a firearm

[@_Steve_W]

This is a very fun video. Thanks 👍

[@jamesgarland4990]

Simply awesome!

[@jordanezell5132]

You have our support!

[@capandball]

Many thanks! I really appreciate it!

[@Treblaine]

"the founding fathers didn't have semi-automatic muskets"

[@Horex-or5rt]

Thanks for the video, it's not without danger with the multiple loads. The first barrels of the shooting sticks were still made of wood, with metal rings around the outside. I don't want to know how many accidents there have been. I can't even imagine loading them like that and firing them in your hand. My respect!!! I loaded my Colt Walker myself with 36 grs black powder, then put in a felt plug and then loaded two rounds. The bullet holes were 5cm apart. I think the system is much safer in the long run.👍😊👍

[@capandball]

Old barrel's mnetallurgy was very far from the quality of the gun metal that was used for the hangonne in the video. I am pretty sure that the barrel of most of the old guns would burst on a simultaneous ignition...

[@Horex-or5rt]

Yes, people must have been either ignorant or pain-free in the past. But have fun, I thought it was great! @@capandball

[@Jagdtyger2A]

The 1792 Chambers flintlock machinegun worked in much the same way, but graduated up to multiple barrels

[@flyboymike111357]

I've always thought the best way to do this is to have vent holes along the barrel to light fuzes or serpentine powder. Allowing several shots with only a slight delay between rounds.

[@EjecutivoTelvanni1826]

The knight comes charging towards me in full plate armour MY HONEST REACTION:

[@kristijanleitinger4478]

You probably alredy moved past it but these visco fuses realy dont like to be egnited like that for some reason, as a delay fuse (in pyrotechnics). If you cut them at 45deg its better but idealy they are coated with a black powder slury and dryed. Interested in what you find in the next video. In my experiances, compressed powdered powder will consistantly butn at about 1cm/s.

[@janrobertbos]

...EXCELLENT video!!!😀

[@feperry90]

One part of the problem maybe gas leaking around the slug. It might need to have a patch with a hole in the center with the middle slug.

[@capandball]

This will be examined in the next part.

[@Zorglub1966]

23:31 I... I can explain it all mr Minster!

[@MichalKolac]

That is really interesting i hope you will manage to make it work

[@feperry90]

A second issue maybe the pressure of the first round driving into the powder of the second. I recall reading about early mortars where initially someone lit the fuse of the bomb separately. When they tried to self light the bomb by placing it with the fuse facing the charge it exploded. The bit of fuse in the slug may have had the same issue. If the patch for the middle ball was made of a material similar to the fuse and thick enough, that might work.

[@capandball]

I had an issue on the second trials with meal powder. the gas pressure pushed the last projectile back and it blew the serpentine powder out of the touch hole. :)

[@BrillPappin]

So the compressed powder in the centre of the slug should burn slower and give your delay, However I think you are getting a chain fire around the outside of the slug. The pressure of the first charge firing is leaking past the outside of the second slug and chain firing immediately. I think you would need to seal with slugs somehow.

[@capandball]

Yes, I also thought that the imperfect fit of the slug can be a problem. This was cured, will be in the next part. The compressed powder in the hole will also be covered.

[@BrillPappin]

@@capandball Cool, I'll be interested in watching :) I think Ian from Forgotten Weapons does an episode on stacked charges in later firearms designs.

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

Very Nice 👍

[@janvanik8945]

Našel jsem detektorem kovů dva bronzové zlomky z různých zbraní deformované výbuchem. V našem malém městkém muzeu máme další dva. Nejspíš to bylo pěkně nebezpečný pro střelce, z tohodle střílet. Také první psaný záznam o této zbrani u nás v Čechách je o tom, jak byl střelec zabit roztžením hlavně.

[@capandball]

Thanks for the info. Which city is the museum located in?

[@longhair1957]

A thought on delaying the seperate rounds. What if you were to use small 1/4” section of fuse inserted into the slug with a hole. That should give you a delay.

[@bjmartin5225]

The 13th century bedside tables must of been really big .

[@tonyspaghetti9043]

Really fascinating and brave video - those shots were way more accurate than I expected them to be. If I may ask random questions; did they have paper cartridges when the stick handgonne was used? And how long did it generally take Europe to go from handgonne to the arquebus trigger mechanism?

[@level98bearhuntingarmor]

Would be cool to see how they would have touched the slugs from the muzzle back then, but it's always a possibility that they found out that they couldn't after two shots or blowing up their toucher and simply didnt

[@docthebiker]

A modern evenly granulated powder is going to burn hotter and push more pressure down past the slug. What if you put a wet wrap around the slugs, or maybe a pricked (leather?) patch to stop ignition gases passing the slugs on the side? I'm intrigued to see two men in the engraving and wonder if the Handgonne was operated by a team with an assistant washing and loading, and how that might increase the rate of fire?

[@robertlewis8295]

What about a longer piece of fuse for the 2nd shot? Instead of just being long enough to fill the hole, have it stick out both ends and slit the exposed ends to both increase the chance of lighting from the powder flash and keep it from coming out as you seat the projectile.

[@capandball]

I would like to prove or refute the loading procedure in the sources. I have ideas how to make it work, but first I'd like to stay in the frame of the sources.

[@deneslesko6817]

Szuper kísérlet! Javasolnám esetleg vastagabb gyújtózsinór beillesztését a hengeres lövedékek arányosan nagyobb furatába. Az talán megoldaná a késleltetés kérdését.

[@capandball]

Sajnos nem... próbáltam... A következő részben lesz azért érdekesség. ;)

[@deneslesko6817]

Eszembe jutott még valami. Épp a héten készítettem oktató metszetet jelzőrakéta lőszerekből. Ott karton és/vagy filc folytás van a feketelőporos lökő töltet felett középen egy lyukkal, amin keresztül be tud gyulladni a jelzésre szolgáló anyag keverék alján lévő kompresszált lőpor. Ilyen lyukas filc tömítés ebben a kísérletben is hasznos lehet az ólom lövedékek alá.

[@tomasbracek]

My kind of wizard stick

[@jesuschrist711]

I rarely watch this channel so please excuse my ignorance, but what is that accent? i've never heard such a distinct accent before. on the video itself, I love the showcase of the system

[@Guns_4_Fun]

Nice Video, to you just bought a new camera? Way better than ur older Videos...

[@jackryan148]

it would be interesting to get that on high speed camera

[@capandball]

The best I can make is 980 frame per sec. I will try that!

[@bjmartin5225]

My fuse would be about a city block !

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊 you got two shots for one.

[@buzdygan5488]

i wonder, is there proof for buckshot or duplex like loads? powder charge with multiple projectiles in front seems like a simpler solution

[@bargainbin22]

Interesting. So they could have used two touch holes one front and one aft.

[@NoosaHeads]

Is there a risk of the gunpowder spontaneously detonating, due to the shock of the ramrod? (C'è il rischio che la polvere da sparo esploda spontaneamente a causa dell'urto della bacchetta?)

[@nicktrueman224]

Anything to have a edge over the opponent. I wonder if the gun loaded such was put in key positions?

[@DPRK_Best_Korea]

The Czechs made extensive use of handgonne and houfnice in their war wagons during the Hussite wars.

[@gripken08]

i wonder what the military doctrine was like regarding the use of these

[@bigracer3867]

You need a license for that?😂🎉

[@capandball]

Muzzle loaders are not licensed in HUngary, but you need a license for powder and caps. Also the gun must have a valid CIP proofing.

[@Remington53]

This is the same principle as the Chambers repeating gun, correct?

[@capandball]

Yes, very close to that.

[@marcellusmarcus6555]

Szia Balázs! Kíváló mint mindig! Lehet említetted, csak én nem figyeltem/értettem, de mi lehetett, mi az oka annak, hogy az utolsó töltet "sima"?

[@capandball]

Köszönöm! A csőfarban lévőre gondolsz? Szerintem az indok, hogy maradjon egy lövés akkorra, amikor az nagyon kell.

[@marcellusmarcus6555]

@@capandball Köszönöm a választ!

[@bradyelich2745]

Call in Time Team to help you dig.

[@Tammy-un3ql]

👍👍👌👌

[@jertres2887]

What could go wrong?? The first slug goes out but but not the second and then you use the touch hole behind the round ball… Like with parachutes, almost no complaints from users make it back to quality control at the manufacturer regarding product failure….

[@capandball]

:)

[@jertres2887]

@@capandballvery cool though! :)

[@alexxu3004]

make it a roman candle

[@Csatadi]

Hogyan gyullad meg a lyukas lövedék pora? A lyukon keresztül kap szikrát? A csövön végigvezetett kanócos lövésekre gondolok.

[@capandball]

Igen, a gyúlyukon keresztül.

[@thrifikionor7603]

You really need a proper matchholder

[@capandball]

I agree!

[@press-mitrevski]

(first shot) everything shoots left 😂

[@johanpire95]

superposed, or stacked charges, I think in the arms museum of Liege there is a multi-barrel flintlock weapon on display. You can make dozens of videos about this subject. Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons helped me find it. Chambers Flintlock Machine Gun from the 1700s, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHTYh4Cuas1krpIsi=BskP2n0f4yU3O3Lm

[@capandball]

Yes there are many later examples for the concept.

[@brobrofog]

Once again, KZbin disappoints me. I just wish they didn't have such a closed minded view on these things

[@pauloakwood9208]

Its not really a repeater so much as a form of shotgun

[@timothyruggles3031]

Maybe it's not getting past the spit wad try it dry or no wad or 2 from the rear Remember the artist is not the designer 😂

[@capandball]

:)

[@greywuuf]

Comment for the algorithm

[@capandball]

:) Thanks!

[@gatmanaug]

ignite and run like a 12 year old lmaf!!!!!

[@capandball]

What is an Imaf?

[@user-qf9pb3os6p]

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