Captain Picard Meet Commander Sela

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April 5, 2063

April 5, 2063

2 жыл бұрын

Star Trek The Next Generation Season 5 Redemption Part II

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@Tayvin4042
@Tayvin4042 2 жыл бұрын
I've said it before, I'll say it again... *THIS* should have been the main villain in Star Trek: Nemesis, none of that Picard Clone BS.
@chrispeplinski7306
@chrispeplinski7306 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that Sela should have been the baddie in nemesis
@jamesboulger8705
@jamesboulger8705 2 жыл бұрын
What a boost for that actor though, to leverage over years, and then get cast as a main villain in a major motion picture.
@LGranthamsHeir
@LGranthamsHeir 2 жыл бұрын
It's likely the producers not able to get Denise Crosby to reprise Sela in "Nemesis" hence they contacted Tom Hardy instead. I do agree Sela would've made a much better villain than someone who claimed he was Picard's clone...
@paulwhite6745
@paulwhite6745 2 жыл бұрын
@@LGranthamsHeir Can't see why she would turn down the role, it's not like her career was really going anywhere and playing a major part in a big-screen movie might have helped to rekindle it. At the very least it would have been a nice payday for her. I doubt she was ever approached.
@chrispeplinski7306
@chrispeplinski7306 2 жыл бұрын
Denise Crosby was actually interested in returning as Sela in nemesis but was never approached which is too bad since it would have been a better movie
@Captainkebbles1392
@Captainkebbles1392 6 ай бұрын
"I want to meet your mother" This wasn't a skeptical captain, this was a man who can't believe he dooomed the same person twice in one lifetime.
@deepspeed7862
@deepspeed7862 6 ай бұрын
And he was right. She begged him to let her to go. She would have ceased to exist once they finished repairing the timeline anyway. It's always shown to be her own action with the skin of evil that resulted in her death. The real question is what if Denise Crosby hadn't quit the show in the first place? It reminds me a bit of Daniel Jackson's departure and return in SG1. It's funny how fictional reality and actual reality can affect eachother.
@gibblespascack1418
@gibblespascack1418 2 ай бұрын
Capt. Picard did not doom Tasha to death in either timeline. Any away mission can be dangerous, and as security chief, that was her job to protect the away team and to recover the wounded in the shuttle. As for the War timeline, She pressed Picard to go on enterprise c because she was not supposed to be there. We do not know if her presence extended the battle to the point where it became a Hero's death. But in both cases, she did what she thought was her job.
@every116
@every116 Ай бұрын
@@gibblespascack1418 Well we know she didn't die in the battle.
@gibblespascack1418
@gibblespascack1418 Ай бұрын
@@every116 Of course, but the Hero's potential death prevented the Klingon war of the current timeline. At the time, everyone on Enterprise C was thought to be dead. It was not until later that the Sela timeline became apparent and it was noted that Romulan's can take prisoners under certain circumstances. Up until that point, Romulans took no prisoners.
@SSingh-nr8qz
@SSingh-nr8qz 2 жыл бұрын
Picard: "She looks familiar. hmmmm"
@maryhlad5277
@maryhlad5277 2 жыл бұрын
Obviously
@FomorViceroy
@FomorViceroy 5 ай бұрын
This was one of the most brilliantly-conceived story arcs in TNG. What a fantastic way to follow up with what became of Tasha after she went back with the Enterprise-C. Picard may not believe what he’s being told is true, but, we the audience know it is. The writing and performances in this scene are peak TNG.
@henryTech720
@henryTech720 2 ай бұрын
Why did Tasha go evil?
@ABCDyeahyeahyeah
@ABCDyeahyeahyeah Жыл бұрын
Sela was one of the most compelling villains in the series. An absolute shame she wasn’t used more. In a way she was like a Romulan version of Spock, except evil. Where Spock identifies as a Vulcan but from time to time accepts his humanity, Sela identifies as a Romulan and completely rejects her humanity.
@freedomstar3930
@freedomstar3930 9 ай бұрын
Well if it makes you feel any better, Sela is one of the main villains in the game Star Trek Online. I actually played the game before I watched this episode and when I saw her I couldn’t believe it. By the way, I think I’m going to play as the Romulan Republic later on.
@dumaskhan
@dumaskhan 5 ай бұрын
I played Star trek Online and she knocks that role out of the park. It was a fun story with an interesting conclusion.
@Adarkane325xi
@Adarkane325xi Жыл бұрын
“- it will not affect my judgement at our next encounter.” This is one of my favorite scenes in the entire show. Picard is very buttoned-down, grounded, but he has a friend and an enemy telling him the exact same thing. He is forced to accept that he doesn’t have all the facts here. The sadness on his face when he learns that Tasha’s dead. Great scene.
@astrobot702
@astrobot702 6 ай бұрын
If Empress Sela had been the main villain of Nemesis it would have been massive. Especially if the film had shown the coup and ended on an melancholy note with Sela begining her reign (leaving it open for other projects.)
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE
@SWIFTO_SCYTHE 2 жыл бұрын
For future storylines - killing off Tasha Yar was a genius idea. Moves Worf to Tactical Moves geordi to engineering Has the flashback enterprise C storyline Denise crosby good job.
@chrispeplinski7306
@chrispeplinski7306 Жыл бұрын
Tasha yar death actually strengthed the characters of worf and Geordi.
@HawkGTboy
@HawkGTboy Жыл бұрын
Crosby leaving the show was the best thing that ever happened to Michael Dorn.
@agm8554
@agm8554 6 ай бұрын
They could have moved Worf to CTO without killing off Tasha Yar. She could have just given up the CTO position while remaining Chief of Security. Just my view.
@PlasmaCoolantLeak
@PlasmaCoolantLeak 5 ай бұрын
The pain on J-L's face hearing of Tasha's second death, and the guilt.
@lanceheaps581
@lanceheaps581 6 ай бұрын
She made full Commander at like age 23 or younger damn impressive!
@danieljackson1272
@danieljackson1272 3 ай бұрын
Even more impressive when you take into consideration the fact that she probably did it and just about 5 years. Assuming Romulans joined the military at or around age 18 of course.
@charlesw5919
@charlesw5919 3 ай бұрын
Extremely, even for someone as fanatically loyal as Sela.
@WookieFragger
@WookieFragger 2 жыл бұрын
This scene is what makes her such an compelling villain. She's ruthless, manipulative, and murderous...but also, there's a hint of the sympathetic in her backstory. She probably rejected her human side because it's easier to ignore that part of herself than it is to face the pain of the guilt she probably still feels over her role in her mother's death- something that happened when she was a small child! It's not her fault that her mother was a captive, and her fear of being taken away must have been terrifying. She was just a scared child when it happened, so I wouldn't really blame her for crying out, but she probably blames herself for getting Tasha killed, even though it's not really her fault. She probably had no idea what kind of psychological hell her mother was living in until that happened, and fully embracing her father's side of the situation in the aftermath was probably the only way she could hold on to any kind of normalcy in her life after something that traumatizing.
@tjames9698
@tjames9698 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always have been of the opinion that the General never had Tasha killed, it just appeared so. If he loved her so much, he prob could have faked her death and had her taken to an uninhabited planet in Romulan space to live in peace.
@mrbojangles8133
@mrbojangles8133 Жыл бұрын
this suggests that A she loved her father, perhaps he loved his daughter too B life on Romulus isn,'t that bad for those of a certain station
@jakep1979
@jakep1979 Жыл бұрын
@@mrbojangles8133 Obviously she got brainwashed by Romulan society and cultural way of life that always saw other alien lifeforms including humans as beneath them (highly xenophobic). There is no way the Romulan who spared Tasha's life saw her as his equal and most likely treated her like a slave being the devious nature they were. So yes her life was hell (most likely physically and sexually abused) and she was going to escape but not leave the one thing she actually loved (her daughter Sela) in the hands of that cruel Romulan (who obviously harden her life cause she looked like her mother and probably had a much more difficult upbringing as she had no mother or any other human around to help her deal with her human emotions but only raised as a Romulan). Romulus is a highly militaristic and totalitarian society. Which means if you are low ranking you are going to be treated like a pawn and yes if you'r station in life is higher up closer to the praetor or the senate you are doing quite well and have a pretty good life. The Romulan society is modeled after the Ancient Romans and we know the elites were highly corrupted and did whatever was in their power to stay in power.
@mrbojangles8133
@mrbojangles8133 Жыл бұрын
@@jakep1979 many a dictatorship has this principle, if you occupy the upper echelons of society it comes with certain perks making it pleasant,
@jakep1979
@jakep1979 Жыл бұрын
@@mrbojangles8133 China and Russia comes to mind. Both Putin and Jinping are billionaires and they can get away with dipping into the coffers because they are number 1 and if anybody below them suggests that's what they are doing, they will be excuted.
@lamueldagon7618
@lamueldagon7618 9 ай бұрын
It was great to have Denise Crosby back for this she was a much more nuanced actor than she was recognised for. Plus I really felt numb in the episode when Tasha Yar died. Shame they didn't utilise her more, like some people suggest she would have been great in Nemesis.
@benvolio15
@benvolio15 2 жыл бұрын
I remember how unnerving this was when it first aired---so much so that I didn't quite pick up on the fact that Sela is the daughter of the Tasha Yar who went back in time with the Enterprise-C, and not the "main" timeline's Tasha Yar who was killed by Armus on planet Vagra II, until I saw this episode a second time a few years later, when my local station at the time was airing reruns late at night on weekdays during TNG's sixth and seventh seasons.
@tjames9698
@tjames9698 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. The Yar that died on Vagra II is not Sela’s mother.
@paulwhite6745
@paulwhite6745 2 жыл бұрын
@@tjames9698 It depends how you look at it. Yesterday's Enterprise wasn't set in an alternate universe per se, it was the prime timeline, but altered. When the Enterprise C went back the timeline was reset back to 'normal' and the Enterprise D crew had no memory of the events (because those events now never happened), but I think they were still meant to be the same characters, not alternate universe versions of those characters. On the other hand, if it was the 'same' Yar, that would mean she died twice, which obviously wouldn't make any sense. Resetting the timeline by sending her back should have created a paradox (if resetting the timeline meant that the events of Yesterday's Enterprise never happened, how could she have gone back?) but it apparently didn't. Maybe in the process of altering the timeline, Yar was somehow duplicated, resulting in two Yars that each had an equally valid claim to being the 'real' Yar, a bit like how Riker got duplicated in a transporter accident. These two Yars would both have been originally the same person (the one who was a child in 2044). I don't think the writers really gave a coherent explanation for how it worked.
@chuckford6910
@chuckford6910 7 ай бұрын
@@paulwhite6745nah, thinking too deep into it. Alternate timeline, two distinct characters. A Star Trek staple.
@joshuaweston6531
@joshuaweston6531 2 жыл бұрын
Sela was a worthy addition to the TNG villains gallery!
@BNuts
@BNuts 9 ай бұрын
I like how _STO_ extends Tasha's and Sela's stories. Sela very quickly became one of the antagonists you loved to hate in the game, but she also went through something of a redemption arc as she found out more about her mother.
@SinewRending
@SinewRending 6 ай бұрын
*What happened to her?*
@JasenJohn
@JasenJohn 5 ай бұрын
@@SinewRending uh, you find out Sela created the Iconian War by yeeting one of their elders (can't remember the name) as for old Tasha, you rescue her from a tear in space, some hidden asteroid prison owned by the Tholians, after that I don't remember.
@Sirithil
@Sirithil 2 ай бұрын
This storyline is one of the most perfect examples of the butterfly effect I can think of. A throwaway comment by Guinan - telling Tasha her prime-timeline death was meaningless - leads to Tasha going back in time, Sela's birth, the destruction of Romulus, the Kelvin-timeline destruction of Vulcan, the Iconian war, the Vaadwaur rampaging across the Delta Quadrant, the destruction of the Utopia Planitia yards in ST:Picard, the Sphere Builders' 500-year temporal cold war against the Federation.... one innocent conversation destabilized the entire galaxy for centuries and hundreds of billions of people died.
@SapphireCrusader1988
@SapphireCrusader1988 28 күн бұрын
@@Sirithil And then we find Tasha's grave on Pictae II, the site of an abandoned Romulan penal colony where the last survivors of the Enterprise-C died, and finally get some closure.
@SapphireCrusader1988
@SapphireCrusader1988 28 күн бұрын
@@JasenJohn She injured L'Miren.
@ddmck1972
@ddmck1972 Жыл бұрын
What's always been interesting is the fact that Picard doubts Sela's story to be true, yet we the audience know it is. That's the headache about time travel stories.
@jakep1979
@jakep1979 Жыл бұрын
Problem is that it's still a time travel paradox or a time line problem. A new timeline was created as a result of Enterprise C entering the future and than another timeline was created when Enterprise C returned back to the past. So not everything went back to normal since a dead woman was resurrected therefore creating a new time line which is slightly different than the original time line. Luckily Sela presence in the new timeline did not change any events in a major way just made things a bit more difficult to get there. It's a shame that Sela was not an insturemantal figure in the Dominion war or even appear in Star Trek Nemesis instead or with Shinzon.
@campbelldowler1396
@campbelldowler1396 6 ай бұрын
@@jakep1979 That's true. I have always subscribed to the belief that there is only one timeline at a time though, and that changing the past does change the future. Most likely the Romulans didn't do anything important during the past 24 years, and that is why we didn't see radical changes with this result. I am surprised that Tasha Yar didn't try to escape sooner, or raise he daughter with more human qualities however.
@jakep1979
@jakep1979 6 ай бұрын
@@campbelldowler1396 She couldn't escape that's why she didn't at first. Also we have no idea how much of environment, propoganda, and Romulan genes played in Tasha Yar daughter upbringing. If we take Spock as a model for instance although he at first he resented his human side because of his difficult upbringing being different on Volcan, he learned to embrace his unique human side in his own way and he also loved his human mother. With Tasha when she died, everything human died within Sela (as she was still too young to understand things) and instead of love to the human race because of her mother she developed hatered which made her more determined to not only destroy humanity within her but to destroy humanity for good.
@TheBandit025Nova
@TheBandit025Nova 3 ай бұрын
Plus it gives us hang on When did this happen Tasha die in Season 1 Yesterday Enterprise was the reason it made us understand it
@demarcusfaulkner7411
@demarcusfaulkner7411 2 жыл бұрын
She is definitely ruthless.
@Ggdivhjkjl
@Ggdivhjkjl 8 ай бұрын
Good thing Guinan was able to clear this up for him.
@pattimcb31
@pattimcb31 2 жыл бұрын
Villains get a lot of dialogue no wonder Crosby returned
@LGranthamsHeir
@LGranthamsHeir 2 жыл бұрын
You know she's a villain when as a small child Sela reported her own mother to their Romulan captors, resulted in Tasha's execution. Sela's statement that "any humanity I had died that day" only reinforced this.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
@@LGranthamsHeir Yep. She wasn't a good girl. 🖖
@hancock63
@hancock63 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of wish Sela came back for Star Trek Generations and she was responsible for the destruction of the Enterprise-D, not the Duras Sisters.
@nunya3163
@nunya3163 2 жыл бұрын
Or had at least been the villain in the final film.
@chrispeplinski7306
@chrispeplinski7306 2 жыл бұрын
Sela would've been a good fit for nemesis
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrispeplinski7306 Instead of Shinzon ? Maybe so. 🖖
@chrispeplinski7306
@chrispeplinski7306 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonheathen2092 nothing against Tom hardy but Shinzon felt like a khan clone. Seeing Sela again would have been great
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrispeplinski7306 Yep. I can agree with that. 🖖😁
@jackkenefick2696
@jackkenefick2696 2 жыл бұрын
Its such a shame Picard never met Tasha senior. What a scene that would have been. Possibly too big to write
@heatherfeather7199
@heatherfeather7199 28 күн бұрын
Well… there is a world where maybe she didn’t get executed… I mean, Sela was 4 years old being told her mom was executed, which she obviously would believe. Wouldn’t it be an interested turn of events to find out that maybe Tasha WASN’T actually killed, but secretly imprisoned?
@magnusbrzenk447
@magnusbrzenk447 Жыл бұрын
This exemplifies why sci-fi story telling is the very best
@danielwilliamson6180
@danielwilliamson6180 4 ай бұрын
Commander Sela is a very intriguing character.
@HawkGTboy
@HawkGTboy Жыл бұрын
I love how they just walked her in through the bridge. They could have brought her in through the other door that leads directly to a turbolift.
@stratfordbaby
@stratfordbaby 6 ай бұрын
0:20 Door slams right in the security officer's face
@chrisconnors7327
@chrisconnors7327 Жыл бұрын
Awsome villain❤
@joeecho678
@joeecho678 2 жыл бұрын
It took Spock and Data to finally knock this blonde Romulan out.
@travisjames3517
@travisjames3517 11 ай бұрын
Maybe Sela was behind the events in “Strange New Worlds” episode “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow”? More time traveling.
@sarcasticguy4311
@sarcasticguy4311 5 ай бұрын
Denise Crosby is like the Star Trek equivalent of Lee Van Cleef. A great actor/actress but truly shines in the villain role. Plays the good guy well but nails the bad guy.
@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925
@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 2 жыл бұрын
i kind of wish they did not kill au tasha and picard could have met her you can tell he was so sad when he heard she died again.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@raterus
@raterus 8 ай бұрын
Picard totally messed this up, if he had stayed quiet about Tasha being on the Enterprise-C and let Sela explain her origins, he would have had direct confirmation she speaks the truth.
@stratfordbaby
@stratfordbaby 6 ай бұрын
0:47 No Sela, they're there for ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH just like Tomalak said to Picard about their probe operating in the Neutral Zone at Nelvana IV.
@Shiirow
@Shiirow 6 ай бұрын
"We are out on a trip for some space milk, and decided to stop off a Kronos for a leg of Targ for dinner."
@jasong5127
@jasong5127 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my significant other. "Ungrateful" and "betrayal" sounds familiar 🤔
@ennius42
@ennius42 2 жыл бұрын
Never understood how the Tachyon Grid was such a problem for the Romulans. Why couldn’t they have gone around it or under it or over it?
@RetroBadgerGaming
@RetroBadgerGaming 2 жыл бұрын
The laws of physics run on 2D in Star Trek 😂.
@wesmantooth5908
@wesmantooth5908 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know how much gas it would take to go around the tachyon grid? At these prices?!
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
I argee. The could have simply navigated around it (unless it completely surrounded the entire Klingon empire in some enormous sphere).
@willc1294
@willc1294 2 жыл бұрын
Data keeps sending her messages over subspace comms - 'haha I shagged your mother!' :D
@samthenightowl5951
@samthenightowl5951 2 жыл бұрын
the duras sisters and their allies needed those supplies and weapons ASAP as they were in the middle of a conflict. Going above , around, or below it would no doubt take a long time because of physics. Any significant delay in the delivery of those things would functionally result in the same thing: catastrophic defeat at the hands of Gowron and his imperial military.
@RetroBadgerGaming
@RetroBadgerGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this scene coincidentally on tv today for the first time! Never realised there was a link to the Enterprise C. Pretty messed up!
@mikeymcmikeface5599
@mikeymcmikeface5599 2 жыл бұрын
No. The alternate timeline was one of the best TNG episodes.
@TheBandit025Nova
@TheBandit025Nova 3 ай бұрын
Don’t worry it will make sense when you watch Yesterday Enterprise I know it help me
@freedomstar3930
@freedomstar3930 Жыл бұрын
She made a fantastic villain in Star Trek Online by the way. Someone I would just love to throw into an airlock and jettison out into space.
@wesmantooth5908
@wesmantooth5908 2 жыл бұрын
I still think Denise Crosby’s movie career is going to take off. She made the right choice leaving TNG.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
But it never really did (& that was 30 years ago). She gets a few movie parts here & there. But still...
@wesmantooth5908
@wesmantooth5908 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonheathen2092 I was being sarcastic 😄
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
@@wesmantooth5908 I get it now. 😁🖖
@willc1294
@willc1294 2 жыл бұрын
She must have the same agent as Whhhhiiiiilllllll Whheeeeton :D
@nunya3163
@nunya3163 2 жыл бұрын
@@willc1294 And that guy who left CSI.
@callumbush1
@callumbush1 2 жыл бұрын
I sure do miss the days of well written star trek!
@snapdraygon
@snapdraygon 2 жыл бұрын
Uh huh
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. I loved startrek. But the story writing was always the weakest link (which should always be the priority in sci-fi).
@jholeify
@jholeify Жыл бұрын
I miss the days of well written shows in general.
@callumbush1
@callumbush1 Жыл бұрын
@@jholeify yeah Star Trek died for me in 2009 when that hack JJ got his hands on the franchise.
@chuckford6910
@chuckford6910 7 ай бұрын
@@callumbush1ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
@LGranthamsHeir
@LGranthamsHeir 2 жыл бұрын
You know she's a villain when as a small child Sela reported her own mother to their Romulan captors, resulted in Tasha's execution. Sela's statement that "any humanity I had died that day" only reinforced this.
@IIBloodXLustII
@IIBloodXLustII 2 жыл бұрын
She didn't though. She was a small child that was being taken away from her home and cried out. She didn't want her mother to die.
@PR--un4ub
@PR--un4ub 2 жыл бұрын
@@IIBloodXLustII I wonder if she later convinced herself that her mother deserved to die.
@LordTalax
@LordTalax 2 жыл бұрын
Star Trek seems to think humanity only represents the good things.
@PR--un4ub
@PR--un4ub 2 жыл бұрын
@@LordTalax That's the entire point of _Star Trek_ .
@zemosgirl
@zemosgirl 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the things she says sound like Sela heard them time and time again from the mouth of her Romulan father. How her mother was ungrateful, how he gave her everything, and how she tried to run away from him. I can imagine little Sela sitting at her father's feet, listening to him curse her mother.
@September2004
@September2004 9 ай бұрын
1:43 I wished Picard hadn’t stated the Enterprise-C theory first. He should’ve let Sela say it before him so he would know for sure since only Guinan had mentioned up until that point. That was bad writing. Not only that, that Tasha Yar would remember a universe where the Klingons were at war with the Federation and going back to the Enterprise-C was based on conversations with a being called Guinan. This Tasha would also remember the Prime universe where the war didn’t happen. They could have made it so that Tasha’s death did not happen until Sela was older so she would remember all this.
@majinjones4565
@majinjones4565 2 жыл бұрын
Picard did not send her she asked for a transfer.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
Essentially the same thing. A lieutenant doesn't get to approve their own request.
@Washuluver87
@Washuluver87 Жыл бұрын
@@jacksonheathen2092 He didn't initially want to approve of the Transfer, it took Guinan and Tasha talking to him to convince him, if I remember right.
@AvangionQ
@AvangionQ 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever happened to the prisoners of war who were captured from Enterprise C? Aside from Tasha, none of them were ever mentioned again. You'd think a prisoner exchange plotline or covert rescue would have made for a good episode. Wouldn't think the Federation would abandon them.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
Good point. But the Romulans likely killed the rest of them.
@km-kl3lg
@km-kl3lg Жыл бұрын
It's known that Romulans keep war prisoners as slaves/captives to work. Klingons, Remans.. Maybe they did the same with Starfleet.
@hmmmmm6056
@hmmmmm6056 Жыл бұрын
Prison Work Camp most likely...know one would know as in the original history the whole crew died. No one would come looking for them.
@danieljackson1272
@danieljackson1272 3 ай бұрын
The other prisoners lives were originally spared on the condition that Tasha agreed to be the 'consort' of the Romulan officer. When Tasha tried to escape and was executed that could have been used as an excuse to kill the remaining prisoners.
@LordUzaki
@LordUzaki 4 ай бұрын
As Iconic as this scene is, I still cannot get over the fact that despite The Federation and Romulans being in a tense, Cold War, political state in which neither side trusts the other whatsoever, not only did a Romulan Commander accept an invitation to board The FEDERATION FLAGSHIP, but somehow also made her way to the ships ready room which is directly connected to THE BRIDGE OF THE SHIP. She actually walks past Picard and out of the room on her own without any apparent escort. You can hear the door open and close meaning a Romulan Commander just walked past the captain of The Federation Flagship and out into that very ships Bridge of Operations freely.
@randbarrett8706
@randbarrett8706 Жыл бұрын
Did Tasha not inform her daughter that the reason she was sent back in time was to prevent a war in which the Klingons conquered the Federation?
@agm8554
@agm8554 6 ай бұрын
Sela was only four when Tasha was executed. She would have been too young to understand.
@808Goose
@808Goose 8 ай бұрын
I’ve gotta say, given the fact that wolf 359 occurred in 2367 and redemption was 2368 (let’s say for argument sake that the two events are near two years apart, if wolf 359 happened in the beginning of the 2367 and redemption at the end of 2368) I am WILDLY impressed Starfleet could even muster up 23 starships for the blockade given the loss of 39 vessels..
@stratfordbaby
@stratfordbaby 6 ай бұрын
However, at the time of Wolf 359, the ships they mustered were just those that they managed to have in the vicinity. Not representative of the fleet strength at all. The problem was timing. Very little timing to get more ships to the battlefield. Therefore this blockade situation and the ship numbers is less relevant.
@davincent98
@davincent98 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone remember the name of the Romulan Commander played by Dina Meyer in Star Trek: Nemesis? I only ask because the producers couldn't find a place to put Denise Crosby
@CK1223
@CK1223 2 жыл бұрын
Commander Donatra
@IndomitableT
@IndomitableT 2 жыл бұрын
Commander Donatra🖖🏼
@austinperry1671
@austinperry1671 2 жыл бұрын
In STO she commands a scimitar ship and has been modified with borg technology
@xavierpaul49
@xavierpaul49 Жыл бұрын
I’m sure they’ll probably bring Sela back in Picard
@TommygunNG
@TommygunNG 5 ай бұрын
Amazing how a human seeking to escape captivity with her child is made out to be a villain.
@Greystonedelta
@Greystonedelta 2 жыл бұрын
Now we know more from Star Trek Online
@demoneon9527
@demoneon9527 2 жыл бұрын
What’s the more information
@jeffburnham6611
@jeffburnham6611 2 жыл бұрын
But is it canon, or just fan-fiction like the EU is from Star Wars? Hate it when fans of a series create games, comics, novels of a franchise and toss in their own unapproved concepts that people take as gospel.
@Greystonedelta
@Greystonedelta 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffburnham6611 okay I thought it was already approved as canon.
@vizpop18
@vizpop18 2 жыл бұрын
We certainly do
@thetenthplanet_
@thetenthplanet_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffburnham6611 I would genuinely take the stories in Star Trek online as canon over the god awful dystopian edge lord fest that is Kurtzman Trek.
@terrismith9095
@terrismith9095 5 ай бұрын
" I was born a year later. I've been wearing this wig ever since"
@raterus
@raterus 5 ай бұрын
Poor Tasha, she died twice, both senselessly
@dances4980
@dances4980 2 жыл бұрын
what the heck? I literally just watched this episode yesterday, and this shows up in my feed, posted to youtube the very same day. How strange
@ashontahuddleston6663
@ashontahuddleston6663 Жыл бұрын
Should have been sela for Picard: the series. Maybe season 3?
@randbarrett8706
@randbarrett8706 Жыл бұрын
I love videos that have twenty seconds of nonsense before the actual video.
@PhotonHerald
@PhotonHerald 8 ай бұрын
Natasha Yar: Comfort Woman...
@ronaldredmond3308
@ronaldredmond3308 Ай бұрын
The writers should have expanded the storyline of Sela to show how she becomes Empress of the Romulan Star Empire. Would have been a better storyline for the Nemisis movie to watch the show down between Picard and Sela.
@ultramaximusreviews
@ultramaximusreviews 2 жыл бұрын
I think she should make an appearance on Star Trek Picard.
@matthewmcnicholas9235
@matthewmcnicholas9235 Жыл бұрын
Why did we get only a few episodes of sela would have been nice to know more about her
@captainspire9094
@captainspire9094 2 жыл бұрын
If you ever can stomach the other nonsense of STD and Picard in the Star Trek On line game, they fill in the gaps of the time line and what happened to Tasha Yar amazingly well.
@snapdraygon
@snapdraygon 2 жыл бұрын
"Other nonsense"?
@nunya3163
@nunya3163 2 жыл бұрын
@@snapdraygon The online game is a big sales pitch for Discovery and the Picard series. It's like two different games, with two different sets of rules at once. It's a bit of a joke.
@35mm21
@35mm21 Жыл бұрын
What? This Seela plotline turns Tasha's honorable death in battle into Tasha being held captive and used. This is just as much as bad as anything in ST: Discovery. You just like this because its the Star Trek we're supposed to like. Actually this plot development was awful.
@kargaroc386
@kargaroc386 9 ай бұрын
STO sucks
@chuckford6910
@chuckford6910 7 ай бұрын
@@35mm21I’d argue the Star Trek were “supposed” to like is std, lower decks, Picard etc lol… unless you mean from a core fan base perspective lol
@victorsalisbury3554
@victorsalisbury3554 2 ай бұрын
Awake
@patrickperalta59
@patrickperalta59 6 ай бұрын
It's clear once the Alt Time line Vanished everyone in the main time line has no clue it happened.. which is why Pichard has doubts about Sela's story the Tasha he knew died before Enterprise C arrived in the future and changed everything including Tasha never dieing since in the Alt time line E-D never went to the planet where Tasha died....................the only issue I have is when E-C returned to the past Alt Tasha should have vanished from E-C as it went back thru the portal.
@danielshottopics8187
@danielshottopics8187 Ай бұрын
It wasn't Picard from the Future She Should of Said Her Mother was Tasha Yar from another Reality Which is the Case, It was the Picard from that Alternate Reality that Sent the Enterprise C Back to Fix Things.
@nandiwardhana3776
@nandiwardhana3776 Жыл бұрын
She should return in picard season 3
@RahTee1
@RahTee1 Жыл бұрын
If you've seen the new trailer that's just been released, there could be hope yet!
@danielyeshe
@danielyeshe 2 жыл бұрын
What I want to know is how she became a Commander when she is only at most 24?
@LGranthamsHeir
@LGranthamsHeir 2 жыл бұрын
By sleeping with her ship's Commander then killing him while he's sleeping? Seems like a typical promotion move for Romulans (and for Terran Empire officers in the Mirror-verse).
@nunya3163
@nunya3163 2 жыл бұрын
Nepotism. Her father was a Romulan general.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
Good point. In fact she was only 22 years old at most (since Yar went back in time 23 years earlier). But Denise Crosby was almost 34 when this episode appeared.
@thehunterx1973
@thehunterx1973 Жыл бұрын
@@LGranthamsHeir same way Kirk became a captain after not getting into the academy
@km-kl3lg
@km-kl3lg Жыл бұрын
@@LGranthamsHeir The killing part sounds way more Klingon than Romulan.
@random4969
@random4969 2 жыл бұрын
The REAL reason why Captain Picard is bald is coz the stress of being persued and sexually harassing by Deanna's mother, made his hair fall out 😂
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
I'll give you that. 🖖😁 At least poor Odo didn't have any hair to lose when he was stalked by her.
@random4969
@random4969 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonheathen2092I must have missed that part, cant imagine her haven the hots for a shapeshifter liquid dude
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
@@random4969 Absolutely. Odo was stalked by Lwaxana Troi on several DS9 episodes.
@random4969
@random4969 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacksonheathen2092 kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2qnp2mbp7ujgac
@agm8554
@agm8554 6 ай бұрын
So that's why Captain Picard is a complete cantaloupe by the end of the series! He did have some hair at the beginning. 😁😆
@tigerbread78
@tigerbread78 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a novel that follows up on Sela after her appearances on TNG?
@ehstronghold
@ehstronghold 2 жыл бұрын
It's not canon, but Sela features prominently in Star Trek Online.
@shailathunderbird5319
@shailathunderbird5319 2 жыл бұрын
@@ehstronghold kzbin.info/www/bejne/noe1dZxsodV-f9U - Star Trek Online -- Empress Sela cutscenes
@joshuadesautels
@joshuadesautels Жыл бұрын
No, but there's a novel (Vulcan's Heart) that tells how Tasha got captured.
@malahammer
@malahammer 6 ай бұрын
I know that intro music..................................
@UpcycleShoesKai
@UpcycleShoesKai 6 ай бұрын
holy! She's the daughter of
@azurerainbow4637
@azurerainbow4637 5 ай бұрын
If Picard had told Sela that her human mother, Tasha Yar, would be so ashamed of her for being a monster because her mother was trying to leave Romulus and take her with her back to Federation Space, would Sela dare attack Picard on the Enterprise-D without thinking or caring about the security guards nearby? Even if Wesley Crusher had been on that ship at that time, Welsey probably wouldn't have been able to reason with her either.
@Lucy19820
@Lucy19820 Жыл бұрын
In the story that I'm creating this girl was The Mastermind behind a murderer of the queen.
@RuminatingKiwi927
@RuminatingKiwi927 2 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail makes it look like she's wearing handkerchief.
@elinoreberkley8221
@elinoreberkley8221 9 ай бұрын
when you run out of actors and ideas
@salimrehman2028
@salimrehman2028 9 ай бұрын
Q should have told Picard or Romulan database should have on its database. After all star trek is friends with them all.
@danieljackson1272
@danieljackson1272 3 ай бұрын
I understand why Worf disappeared when the Enterprise C emerged and changed the timeline - but why did Troi vanish as well?
@poseidon5003
@poseidon5003 20 күн бұрын
I bet she's Tomalok's kid.
@URSoDead2Me
@URSoDead2Me 2 жыл бұрын
3:47 - Burn ho
@hmmmmm6056
@hmmmmm6056 Жыл бұрын
Not the future....alternate timeline.
@hithere8753
@hithere8753 5 ай бұрын
You don't need a 15 sec intro
@MaestroDrake
@MaestroDrake Жыл бұрын
I just watched a certain TNG episode for the first time ever because I would always see the last two minutes with Geordi and Troi and he just couldn't remember. That was Sela in the shadows, right?
@NickHuh86
@NickHuh86 10 ай бұрын
Yes it was. The voice is the same so it was Sela.
@MattJohno2
@MattJohno2 2 жыл бұрын
Tasha wasn't "sent", she requested a transfer.
@jacksonheathen2092
@jacksonheathen2092 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps so. But there's really no difference. She requested a transfer.
@patrickschulz2193
@patrickschulz2193 2 жыл бұрын
Of course, but 4 year old Sela likely wouldn't have gotten all the details of that right,or maybe her father twisted the story to make her more bitter against humans.
@danieljackson1272
@danieljackson1272 3 ай бұрын
​​@@patrickschulz2193Right, I think the Romulan officer knew that if he told the story correctly it would show Tasha in particular and humans in general in a positive light - going back in time to help out in a courageous battle that would be hopeless and almost assuredly result in everyone's deaths. So instead he spins it as she went back because she was ordered to and essentially sent to her death by an uncaring captain.
@teleportedbreadfor3days
@teleportedbreadfor3days 6 ай бұрын
Sela is a pitiable villain. She despises the Federation, but all I see is a child who never grew up, the one who didn’t understand why her mother held her that night, and somebody who wants to distance herself from her Human heritage and wipe out all reminders of her lineage.
@kris8165
@kris8165 6 ай бұрын
A Romulan-Human hybrid... What can be worse?😅
@JasonSmith-sz6pp
@JasonSmith-sz6pp 5 ай бұрын
Tasha had a sister too didnt she?.I cant remember what happened to her.Any of you guys that can help me with that?
@vandannski
@vandannski 4 ай бұрын
Wheres the beans?!
@garethrichards9572
@garethrichards9572 6 ай бұрын
And Picard just let her walk out? No security?
@stratfordbaby
@stratfordbaby 6 ай бұрын
We're to believe Sela is only 23 here??? HONESTLY???
@Shiirow
@Shiirow 6 ай бұрын
actors age is moot, character is 23. thats like saying "we are to believe Elrond is like a couple hundred years here??? Honestly??" because the actor is like 50+ years old. and yes that is an apt metaphor since Vulcans/Romulans are essentially space elves.
@Ragitsu
@Ragitsu 2 жыл бұрын
Tasha is like a real-life Sailor Uranus/Haruka Tenou...or Yui Hongo (Fushigi Yuugi).
@BugattiONE666
@BugattiONE666 Жыл бұрын
But....they literally said she would've been a child?
@davidlaney6153
@davidlaney6153 3 ай бұрын
It would have made more sense if had black hair...
@thecocktailian2091
@thecocktailian2091 5 ай бұрын
Her portrayal was too leisurely. No Romulan discipline, no Romulan conservation of movement, just not Romulan. That is why she never became a main villain. Poor portrayal.
@davidvega7587
@davidvega7587 2 жыл бұрын
Holy camoly…that CGI has not aged well 🙃
@robertswift6101
@robertswift6101 3 ай бұрын
ungrateful daughter killed her mother
@xagon2012
@xagon2012 6 ай бұрын
Even as a kid I thought Sela was a lame way to bring back the actress. It just felt forced. Oh somehow her daughter looks exactly like her, just with a Romulan haircut. I don't know. Just kind of made me cringe a little. The story didn't convince me. Still doesn't.
@jasonthewatchmansson8873
@jasonthewatchmansson8873 4 ай бұрын
What a waste of a unique opportunity to bring Tasha Yar back, either as a tragic figure or as a villain. Instead, they kill her offscreen and replace her with a new character, who is nothing like Yar, and who is incompetent to boot.
@Ragitsu
@Ragitsu 2 жыл бұрын
These intros are not needed...
@Sapp440
@Sapp440 5 ай бұрын
This still makes absolutely zero sense. When they went back to their normal universe, Yar would've disappeared from the Enterprise C. This plot is shakey at best.
@bjornjoseph
@bjornjoseph 8 ай бұрын
Picards arrogance is borderline annoying. She has zero reason to fabricate a story like that. So instead of trying to figure out how and or why he sent tasha back, he just says, nope i dont believe it youre lieing.
@stormhawk3319
@stormhawk3319 5 ай бұрын
It was ridiculous casting Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar’s daughter. Since when do offspring are exact doubles of their parents?
@codename495
@codename495 5 ай бұрын
I am close enough to an exact copy of my grandmother that her brother thought a childhood photo of her was me. There are likely millions of examples of child parent doppelgängers, so that s literally the most accurate part of this arc.
@philipm7783
@philipm7783 3 ай бұрын
Romulan paranoia at its best.
@snagletoothscott3729
@snagletoothscott3729 5 ай бұрын
I never liked her at all as Tasha. Stiff and boring and trying to hard. I was soo glad when she was gone. But as Sela she's fantastic. Even in STO, Sela is still the simgle most interesting character they have...and the best storyline (since they removed the old ones, which were the best)
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