Is The RATTLESNAKE Worth It For C3s?? || EVE Online

[@joshuacrumley2031]

The rattleship battlesnake.......LOL. I now know what I'm going to name my rattlesnake. Thank you for that.

[@captainbenzie]

Haha happy to help! 😂

[@Orion_Icaoa]

Ah yes, my favorite ship the “battlesnake rattleship” it barely holds itself together as it destroys its enemies. The rattle is easily one of the most versatile battleships in game for all kinds of activities

[@captainbenzie]

It's an awesome ship for sure!

[@Orion_Icaoa]

@@captainbenzie I hope you can show it running trig wormholes soon!

[@ottomcannick7698]

Wouldn't that make it a matari BS?

[@scottbromley1818]

Used to use this for gated lvl 5s when I did them. Fit for full tank then refit as needed insite. Brilliant ship.

[@captainbenzie]

Excellent! And yes, an MTU with some refits makes for a powerful ship!

[@memitim171]

The active fit has more...well everything really. You do it like this: [Rattlesnake, Active Rattlesnake Fitting] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II C3-A 'Hivaa Saitsuo' Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Gecko x1 Hornet EC-300 x5 Republic Fleet Bouncer x2 Inferno Fury Heavy Missile x5000 Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile x6510 Strong Blue Pill Booster x1 'Packrat' Mobile Tractor Unit x1 You need a 1% I think, maybe 3% CPU implant to fit it but you can just turn the rep on and leave it on and it will keep running forever, even under full neut pressure. The blue pill is just in case you get jumped, you don't need it to tank the sites, you will last a lot longer than the passive fit while your friends come, and you're going to need friends coz there's no MJD on this fit. 😆 It is massively more powerful than the passive one though.

[@tomxia6228]

bring some hardshell if you can as well

[@tomxia6228]

hardshell II is good but III+blue pill can save you

[@davidwilliams1060]

I use a Rattlesnake a lot for all sorts of PVE, and the fact it’s lasted for at least a year indicates a worthwhile ship

[@captainbenzie]

Nice!! Good longevity!

[@Slothy22415]

More shield extenders and less Recharger, that shield extender bonus on the hull plays really nice into the passive fit

[@captainbenzie]

I'll look into it!

[@malango255]

totally. i mean he has 6000 pg left lol. One of my rattlesnakes has over a million EHP lol. and thats with 3 damage mods.

[@ottomcannick7698]

​@malango255 could you paste the fit here please? Or DM to Otto Mcannick in-game?

[@malango255]

@@ottomcannick7698 Sure it's not even that blingy. Does require Nirvanas to get those numbers though.

[@antonsnr1037]

@@malango255 Still have that fit?

[@Sausedge]

I remember many years ago running a full passive shield tank rattlesnake in wormholes when i was in a WH corp, good times

[@captainbenzie]

It's a great ship and I'm glad I could bring back the memories!

[@ovogaming2132]

Hey. It actually is not 211HP/s The 211s means 211seconds till the shield is recharged. U would have to click above there and select the passive shield recharge to see how much HP u recharge per second. Those small mistakes u do with the fitting window are kind of driving me nuts XD But else u got some cool and interesting videos to watch. Keep it up!

[@captainbenzie]

Thank you! I did know this, but I do sometimes make these silly mistakes. I'm learning, and doing better with every video - thank you for your help!

[@tanmaygawankar1363]

@@captainbenzie how much was your actual shield recharge rate?

[@zxmusefabrication6134]

@@tanmaygawankar1363 I feel like it's a thing with this creator. He never shows the relevant recharge rates for the tank he uses and flatly refuses to say in the comments. It's maddening considering tank is a huge factor in WH sites.

[@Matt92766]

I got my first rattlesnake last night! Im rocking tech 2 heavy missiles but have cruise missiles traning, currently 920 dps, hoping I will be effective still without cruise missiles.... super excited to use this beast 🎉

[@lonniefennel4024]

Also, for the reload issue, I would set 2 groups and counter activate them to kind of cover the gap a little. Some dps all the time seems better than no dps for 35 seconds to me.

[@slaedgramaich1934]

You must have forgotten about the drones...

[@captainbenzie]

Mathematically it works out exactly the same.

[@ottomcannick7698]

​@@captainbenzieperception works to offset the cognitive dissonance?

[@dudewheresmycar6318]

​@@captainbenzieYa, he knows...

[@Bradric1]

I missed your vids so much, I'm watching Eve Online ship reviews lol! 😅 I'm looking into a PC to get back into EO, and try to enjoy the lore for once. Can't do that in EE, because Netease doesn't care... about anything. 😒 Guristas are my favorite pirate faction! Rattlesnake is my favorite Battleship, and I don't really like Battleships. Great video as always bro. 🔥❤️

[@captainbenzie]

Welcome back, and thank you!

[@rdbrown58]

My rattlesnakes are named Ouroborus and Nasferatatouille, which regenerates their shields at 1820 EHP/s.

[@captainbenzie]

Lmao, excellent names!!

[@vLion7]

T2 the rigs to swap 1 of the lowslot shield mods for damage control unit to increase shield resistances. 3 sheild extenders maybe

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, this is kept cheap for C3s, but I have a new fit that's soloing C4/5s!

[@thebuddy4517]

you could actually make the fit recharge 67 dps more and reduce the cost by removing republic fleet by using this fit (changed recharger for large shield extender for more buffer and way more passive regen) (could also consider removing drone tracking enhancer for more dps or more regen, from what ive seen large drones apply fine to cruisers, you arent suppost to use any drones on frigate anyways) [Rattlesnake, C3 Rattle] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Pithum B-Type EM Shield Amplifier Pithum C-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Gecko x1 Wasp I x2 Curator II x2 Hornet EC-300 x5 Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x5000 Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile x5000 Mobile Tractor Unit x1 went from 701 dps tanked a second with all shield skills 5 to 768 dps tanked a second with all shield skills to 5 and increasing health to 144k ehp (possible thanks to pyfa, also keep it in mind that having only rechargers wont make them recharge as much, best ratio i find is 1 recharger 2 multispectrum hardener and rest is large extender for passive tanking, low slot doesnt matter as relays work differently)

[@Smooj]

This is a much better fit. Much more EHP to survive a high dps ganker long enough to maybe kill them (or have your EC drones land a jam).

[@thebuddy4517]

@@Smooj not against players, as that if they want to kill you, they will for sure field enough dps to bring you down, this is wormhole not nullsec where they would feed first then bring everything they have (pretty much), but against those npcs, you certainly dont have to worry much about them (also you dont have to fight if you watch dscan and beware and actually roll hole before ratting, just a tip)

[@captainbenzie]

Duly noted! I've recently updated the fit and will compare this, thank you!

[@azcowboy1963]

The Gecko? Double edge sword, in my opinion. Expensive and sometimes can be lost in certain sites. However, for PVP, they are almost a necessity.

[@captainbenzie]

They are very good. I wouldn't use one in PvP though 😅

[@mattstrauchon6756]

Love the RN hull, so aggressive looking!

[@captainbenzie]

Looks great, flies even better!!

[@stevejohnson6248]

Great video! I was able to increase my dps and shield recharge rate while lowering my isk investment. Thanks again!

[@captainbenzie]

Glad it helped!

[@stevejohnson6248]

@@captainbenzie I'm going to have a difficult time working this afternoon as I keep wanting to fiddle with my fit and take this thing out for a spin. I haven't flown it in a few years. My fit is sitting at 1.9B which I consider reasonable for a Rattlesnake lol. A module you might consider are the cheaper Hiva's instead of DDA 2's. With a 2 for 2 swap I'm getting about 50 more dps and they are only around 7mil each.

[@jameswohler985]

I was going to suggest those damage models also ... they work great with Gila and Rattlesnake . Worm too I suppose but never thought to try.

[@Nevswim]

In your vid about the Drake, you said not to go into a J space without a Scanner probe launcher. Not on e showing. Have I missed something?

[@nauclerus6367]

You'd be using this in an inhabited hole moreso then daytripping

[@Eklykti]

You can put probes in your escape frig

[@Skuggi008]

So umm what about the scannable combat sites in this C3 for example "forgotten frontier recursive depot" dps in there reaches 1400 can this fit handel that site ?

[@captainbenzie]

Yes, it should be able to comfortably

[@Rextter]

Could this build be used for the Minmatar epic arc, Wildfire? I'm a Gallente pilot so not 100% skilled into missiles and shields

[@captainbenzie]

I don't know but I'd assume so!!

[@Rextter]

Lost it on the second mission - they broke my shield and I didn't react to escape quickly enough@@captainbenzie

[@Romkiger]

Will we be getting a video on the Guristas Worm? Also will we be getting a new Q&A video on eve echoes?

[@captainbenzie]

They didn't send me the Q&A til this morning. I'll record it and have it uploaded for later today. As for the Worm, yes absolutely!

[@dbzwarlord]

You can make the tank much better by replacing two shield chargers with two shield extenders and two field purger rigs with two field extender rigs. You get double the shield hp and 15% more hp/second recharge.Maybe replace one power relay with a damage control as well.

[@captainbenzie]

Great tip, thank you!

[@voodude905]

Why not hivaa lows? Would you suggest it?

[@captainbenzie]

I would. As for the "Why not?" - because I'm an idiot and forgot they existed 😅

[@Moct3zoom]

I havent seen the entire video yet but I can tell you that if you bling out the rattle, both passive or active tank can hold even against C5 passive c5 for some data or relic sites, knowing what sleeper to pop and orbiting a mobile depo can get you around 75-150isk per site know this though, you MUST have bookmarks and safe spots and know what sleeper to pop in the eventuality that you "get ganked" also know that sleepers attack the top threat so if you have no guns, you will be least threat in field if you get ganked, take this intel with a grain of salt and remember the "cheapest" rattle costs about 1.5bil

[@captainbenzie]

This one's a little cheaper than 1.5bn but I have since blinged it a bit more precisely to run it in C5s!

[@bofumytofu]

you can always warp, just not as far as you could with full cap

[@captainbenzie]

This isn't strictly true. You need a minimum amount to warp at all, and if you're at zero, you cannot activate at all. It's often possible to warp if you can time it so the warp drive activates when you have 1+GJ of Capacitance, but if enough ships are neuting you, it is possible to stop the warp entirely.

[@ovidium8020]

It is almost impossible to be fully capped out ... if that happens, it usually last 1-2 seconds and even if not enough capacitor, ship will still warp out, not for the full distance, but for a short distance, enough to get away and warp out again

[@EYM-ONLINE]

Captain Benzie, is there a reason why you are using EC-Hornet and not EC - Wasp ?

[@captainbenzie]

Just space in the hold and what I had available

[@TheMrEcloth]

THANKS KEEP IT UP how about a video about useing the worm to make mad isk doing mission for guristas

[@captainbenzie]

I'll be covering the Worm soon!

[@lonniefennel4024]

Benzie!!! You forgot your probe launcher! WHAAAATTT!?!?! lol

[@captainbenzie]

Sadly this fit couldn't get one in. So I only tend to use this when I have folks around. You can also carry a Mobile Depot and a Launcher and refit in an emergency.

[@greylock5985]

Fyi you can warp at zero capacitor you just won’t go very far but you will still go off grid.

[@captainbenzie]

You cannot warp at zero capacitor. You have to wait until you have at least 1GJ of Capacitor available. It's rare, but it's enough to hold you in a pinch.

[@greylock5985]

@@captainbenzie Ok so from what I have seen you need .001 cap to warp that means you would have to have like 100 ships all nueting you at the same time and even then you could probably still get out. I have not yet seen any scenario where a ship couldn’t warp because they didn’t have enough cap but if you have seen that happen please share it.

[@captainbenzie]

@@greylock5985 as I said, it's rare, but to say you can warp at zero capacitor is wrong ☺️

[@captainverde1581]

thanks for the SP!

[@captainbenzie]

Any time!

[@ElektroBaals]

How to get your morning orange juice in your nose🙃 holy mole the battlesnake😂😂

[@captainbenzie]

😂😂

[@mobiusone6994]

Vindicator or Rattlesnake?

[@captainbenzie]

Personal choice, but I prefer Rattlesnake for this content

[@mobiusone6994]

@@captainbenzie Based. I usually fly a Raven or Vindi. Not because I looked at stats or anything. They just look cool lmao.

[@MrMannerless]

Is this not literally just an extremely expensive Praxis?

[@captainbenzie]

It clears faster, and can do more sites beyond. It's also a little harder to gank.

[@korzkicks]

The ships now target the gecko, making it impossible to use

[@captainbenzie]

I still use this and it works fine. Increase your missile skills, might simply be that they don't see the main ship as enough of a threat

[@korzkicks]

@@captainbenzie yeah I thought that could have been the issue, but after doing some digging on reddit, I found out that it’s just an old bug. All I have to do is warp to a celestial, eject from my ship, then board it and the rats should no longer target the gecko haha. Keep up the amazing content!

[@rdbrown58]

Pray to the sun god before battle.

[@justinpeterson7246]

'little thing' called the Gecko, kek

[@Nokkyu]

"There are rumors, that the Rabbit designed the Rattlesnake first and the Caldari repurposed the design for the Scorpion" - well.. does this ship look more like a Rattlesnake or more like a Scorpion? XD

[@captainbenzie]

Names don't mean a thing, though. It's possible that the blueprints were sold before production, or that the Rabbit designed a ship and chose a name that he felt fitted, then the Caldari Navy chose a name that doesn't really fit their aesthetic on names (birds and mythical animals) based on the shape.

[@Nokkyu]

Or the Rabbit is anTroll by heart. "Let me design this sick ship that looks like a scorpion completly with claws and stinger. Awesome, let me name it after an animal without any limbs, that will make people really wonder."

[@Whatitbedo]

can alpha players get in one?

[@mellogo1d191]

Yup. Alphas can fly these bad boys…affording one as an alphas is another matter entirely however..! LOL

[@captainbenzie]

Yup! Completely alpha friendly and makes for an excellent ISK maker. Makes its cost back quickly.

[@sureno1833]

12:22- maybe I am wrong but that "211s" DOES NOT mean you recharge your shield BY 211points per sec, but rathrer that you NEED 211 SECONDS to fully recharge the shield to 100%. you need to click on "No Module" thingy above that and select "passive recharge", which, by my calculations is about 110 points per second.

[@captainbenzie]

That's true for the passive shield recharge rate, correct. I sometimes make mistakes like this, despite KNOWING better - just talking as I record, I sometimes don't think 100% straight! Thank you for correcting me here!

[@MrMannerless]

They call it a snake... when it clearly ressembles a scorpion.

[@captainbenzie]

Because there's the Caldari State Scorpion. The lore of the ship is it's not certain who actually designed it. Was it originally The Rabbit who made it and then Otro Garushi modified those plans for the Scorpion, or did the Guristas steal the Scorpion design and modify it

[@davidlester6673]

It looks more like a scorpion !!!

[@captainbenzie]

True, but that doesn't mean the one called the scorpion was the original name. Plenty of things in history have been given better names later on 😉

[@nationalnightlynews8553]

for 500-600mil more you can buy a marauder for c3 instead, and before someone says "that's overkill", are you really gonna turn down faster money just cause its "too fast"? it is 600mil/hr, so in three hours of ratting you are isk positive, and with scouting of the chain/getting people to sit at holes you suspect might have people come through, you are as safe as can be the rattlesnake isn't even that good dps wise, you could have a better time in a blinged out praxis or tengu, maybe even a proteus or raven navy, so no, the rattle is definitely not very good

[@nationalnightlynews8553]

only real good thing the rattle has going for it is that it is one hell of a brick tank wise, so you can hold out long enough if you are attacked, but that point is moot anyways cuz usually if someone wants to kill you, they WILL do their best to kill you, for example by bringing more than one ship

[@captainbenzie]

Whilst you have somewhat of a point, here's a few counterpoints: 1) I showcase multiple options so that folks can fly what they find fun. Not everyone wants to fly a Marauder. 2) "500-600m" isn't a small amount to a lot of people. For C3 ratting, that's 15 more sites to run before you break even on cost 3) Even with hole watching, what do you do if a fleet suddenly jumps in and goes for the Marauder as you point out in the first examplr? You're in Bastion. You're not warping off. That fleet lands on you and rips you to shreds whilst your mates muster a defense. 3bn down the drain. With the Rattle, if you spot them on D-Scan and are aligned, there's at least a chance to escape.

[@nationalnightlynews8553]

fair points, i don't mean to come out as "just use this" (unless if its really bad, but even then its your decision like flying a blaster rokh for c3 or something), but want to mention some other alternatives if the goal is to just squeeze as much isk as possible 500-600mil is not a small amount sure, but you double or triple the isk/hr you would expect from flying any other standard option like a t3c or battleship, that is nothing to scoff at (plus, c3 marauder's main benefit would be that it acts as a bridge to saving up for a c5 marauder instead) third point, a c3 marauder is 1.8bil, if a c5 marauder is flown into c3 the loss is deserved for the hubris also, in the case of a hostile jumping into system, that is not plausible, because if you scout out any connects 1j out beforehand, and there are red flags like active structures or unknown ships, its worth not bringing out the marauder. that is step one and 90% of your safety measures done. next, for even more safety scout on hole to call out splashes almost guarantees safety, because rarely a hostile will be flying in a fast tackle ship right as they jump in, and even if they are it takes time to sift through the anomalies to find you, giving you at least 5 or so seconds before they know where you are, another 3 or so (being very generous to the hostile here) to align, and around a minute to warp to you. by this time, your bastion will be off, and you will be able to mjd or warp off even then, a neutral will only start off in tackle ship if they know the hole you are in was active beforehand, which is only possible if you did poor scouting or people sitting on holes didn't report and previous splashes. rageroll is another candidate... but who ragerolls c3 sites? even if they do, same process applies it's not foolproof sure, things do happen, but you are guaranteed to make a sizeable amount of money before you really have to go. it might also be worth having a very cheap high tank refit in cargo purely to buy your mates time to kill tackle and to let you warp off that's my two cents though, its definitely riskier, but tripling the profits seems like a very good investment to me if one is willing to take the risk and the appropriate measures

[@dudewheresmycar6318]

​@@nationalnightlynews8553You definitely meant to come off like "use this instead because it's better", not an alternative. Plus you think everyone just has unlimited skill points? You're an ass?😊

[@veddyveng]

Totally not worth it, I’ve been doing forts in an active Ishtar in less than 10 mins

[@captainbenzie]

What Ishtar fit are you running? I really struggled running the Ishtar in C3s (did a video on it and I'd love to revisit it) and no way I could get it to run the harder C3 sites like the Outpost, which this absolutely blitzes

[@veddyveng]

@@captainbenzie yeh you can only strictly use for the forts, but i live in busy space so i normally run 2 go home and come back etc. this will do all forts very easy. will erasily run 3-4 an hour [Ishtar, ULTIMATE C3 RATTER] Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Assault Damage Control II Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Large Shield Booster II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Light Electron Blaster II Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II 'Augmented' Ogre x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x1000 Void S x2600 Null S x2000

[@teabaggin]

i have one of these for blood fobs.. it tanks like a mofo.. even with large defence fleets. they have NEVER gotten me below 40% shields

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, insanely good ship!