RAIN! Circling Approach and ATC, Cessna Citation Landing Saint Louis Downtown Airport

[@stevestumbaugh8982]

Your side kick seems to be a know it all.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

I missed Mike. FO had, IMHO, way to much chatter. Nice video Captain Jim. Thanks.

[@BossaNossa1]

Oh!, I love it "Hang a right!" @5:16 that is classic! :)

[@gregellis3859]

A textbook circle to land at minimums. Nicely done!!!!

[@captmoonbeam]

+Greg Ellis thanks Greg.

[@Newstatejournal1]

That was one of the better aviation videos I have seen on youtube. Watching you two work through a judgement decision as you work together to position that airplane where it needs to be, really reveals the value of having two pilots.

[@captmoonbeam]

+New State Journal Thanks, it was very kind of you to say that.

[@jbkroeger]

Sure enjoy your videos moonbeam. I was ATC for 8 years (4 radar & 4 tower) @ MacDill AFB 75-83...sure brings back some good memories! Thanks for the share.

[@captmoonbeam]

thanks James.

[@farmerjohn7765]

Another textbook example of some quality flying in IMC. Hope you have a very Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year, Capt.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Capt John Thanks Captain, like the new profile picture.

[@farmerjohn7765]

Thanks, Capt Jim!!

[@BossaNossa1]

What a visual of the water streaming over the windshield cool stuff from my perspective sitting in my desk chair... You on the other hand have your hands full!!! Thanks for the video's and stellar flying!

[@captmoonbeam]

+BossaNossa1 You're welcome

[@erikvanname]

It's great to see these full approaches in IMC. Thanks,

[@captmoonbeam]

Thanks Eric.

[@garrettmtemple]

Earned your check on that approach

[@captmoonbeam]

+Garrett Temple I was hoping you said I was going to get a raise for that one.

[@garrettmtemple]

+captmoonbeam I've see you do tougher landings

[@pilotodecaca3595]

Thank so much! Best regards from south Brazil

[@captmoonbeam]

+Piloto de Caça Your welcome. Hope your having great flying weather in Brazil today.

[@explorationguys7858]

This is one of your best videos! It really shows what goes on with ADM in IMC, and how you can really use the system to your advantage. I've had the pleasure flying into CPS. (only VFR) you get a great view of the Arch flying base to 12R! -Jeremy

[@hesynergy]

Beautiful crew coordination...exciting to re-acquaint myself with with a circle to land!... I had forgotten just why circling to land existed… Minimums for one. Thanks a bunch guys! Chas

[@captmoonbeam]

+hesynergy Thanks lots!!

[@anthonyl819]

Your FO was incredibly wrapped up over that weather and had quite a bit of extraneous talk. Otherwise nicely executed.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Anthony L Thanks Anthony.

[@SuperSetright]

Posted the same higher up.

[@paultaylor9939]

Magic flight well flow the both of you cheers

[@captmoonbeam]

Thanks.

[@TheAussiePipe]

I've always felt the circling approach is one of the most dangerous things you can do in aviation. Handled like true pro's, well done indeed! Cheers Mark

[@captmoonbeam]

+Cirrus Driver I agree, always better to opt for the ILS.

[@markbrown2450]

That was exciting.

[@bkrichmd]

A lot of frustrating issues in this approach. First the weather, it just doesn't know what it wants to do and hard to make a decision. Then the ATIS, they could have taken the "I" out for lack of good information. Then how about that taxi clearance before you were even slowed to taxi speed. But you handled it like a pro, well done.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Brian K Rich MD Thanks Brian. These were fast moving low layers and showers. There would be a big hole and by the time you got there it would be gone.

[@berniemccann8935]

Great camera angle.

[@8688nick]

FO was a cocky chap

[@geoffeg]

Nicely done, great to see the CRM on the circling approach.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Geoffrey Gallaway thanks.

[@stevehobbs864]

Well done

[@captmoonbeam]

+steve hobbs thanks Steve But, it takes a crew of two. I gotta give Scott half the credit.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Went back to watch your video. "Stuff" sure happens fast at those low altitudes and fast speeds. Great vid. Thanks.

[@captmoonbeam]

Things do get busy once we're in the terminal area.

[@kennethbratvogel2333]

Perfect-- Happy Hoiday from a Lindbergh and UMSL Grad

[@captmoonbeam]

+Kenneth Bratvogel Happy Holidays Ken. Always happy to see someone with a Saint Louis connection here.

[@embrj1453]

Awesome...

[@captmoonbeam]

+Marcelo Delima Thanks Marcelo.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Were you getting a check ride? That's what it sounded like. thanks,

[@captmoonbeam]

No, just flying back home.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

OK, thanks.

[@berniemccann8935]

Sarcastic?

[@neilgusthart828]

Nice landing it's been a long wait for this one nice to see you back.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Neil Gusthart Thanks Neil.

[@ota2012]

One of yours best and interesting videos! And landings also! Thanks and happy holidays!

[@captmoonbeam]

+Ota Vio Thanks Ota Vio.

[@halleventhal1088]

Awesome video.! merry Christmas Jim and family.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Hal Leventhal Thanks Hal and a very merry Christmas to you and yours also.

[@johndog71]

You Guys assimilate things fast, very impressive.

[@bkrichmd]

+John Mahoney yeah they do, they move through it and make quick and good decisions.

[@johndog71]

Just another day at the office Brian

[@dfkendrick]

I love the back and forth conversation, Jim. Very interesting stuff.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Don Kendrick Thanks Don. You guys have a good Christmas.

[@captmoonbeam]

+captmoonbeam this got me thinking. Most of the aviation cockpit videos on KZbin have no ATC/Crew audio. The ones that do a lot of times don't really have any discussion of field conditions or planning.

[@dfkendrick]

+captmoonbeam Merry Christmas to You and you're Family too, Jim.

[@dfkendrick]

+captmoonbeam I found the back and forth between you guys very interesting. More of that would be great.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Don Kendrick Thanks Don.

[@elenacolon3880]

wow! captain moonbeam what a perfect landing

[@captmoonbeam]

Thanks Elena.

[@timh294]

Your videos are amazing. this is my first posted comment ever, my children have to show me how to do this I'm old school, but I do have a private pilot license and love watching your videos thank you. can't stop watching them, keep up the good work thanks again.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Tim H thanks Tim. appreciate the kind words. Don't worry I'm old school too. I had to get one of my fans working line service in Dallas to explain Instagram to me.

[@d.j.robinson9424]

copy that tower, have a wonderful weekend.

[@captmoonbeam]

You do the same and try to stay warm.

[@777DEHME]

nice Approach! hate leaving the FD ON like in this case 15:50

[@captmoonbeam]

+Skyhawk thanks Skyhawk. Yes that thing drives me crazy. It's still trying to fly the ILS, a lot of times I'll spin the altitude up so it won't automatically re-present the delta/chevron.

[@stevenfavignano2632]

Love the camera location! Always learn a lot here. Merry Christmas Jim and family.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Steven Favignano Thanks Steven. Not every one agrees with that but, I think this angle gives a much better feeling for what the pilot is actually seeing. If the camera is centered between the pilots then moved back where you can see the crew then, it's not the same as what the crew experiences. It's more like a passenger view from the bench seat. In the Citation we have large windshields and have a broad unrestricted view of what's in front of us and to the side. Hope you guys have a great Christmas. I just got home after 5 days of running and am looking forward to the holiday.

[@douglasshaw8754]

Ho yes another great landing Jim all the best Doug In Uk.

[@captmoonbeam]

thanks Doug.

[@joeycarrion8017]

Great video, and great job... Thanks!

[@captmoonbeam]

+Joey Carrion thanks Joey.

[@mikemchale7827]

Your side kick .... seems to have issues....

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Didn't seen like a good match. Was OK, but not a match.

[@TrxXzOmBiesXxent]

He seemed almost rude to approach and tower.

[@mattnorthrup7852]

I would have been so annoyed.....we get it...you would not have been able to get in on the RNAV

[@stevestumbaugh8982]

I agree , your sidekick seems to know it all.

[@berniemccann8935]

Yes, definitely an attitude problem.

[@dave991122]

I luved it!! A big sensation of speed close to the ground.About the 2:15 minute mark, you said something about 'a really high temperature to get ice'.... was it above the freezing point, 0C? If so, was it due to a low pressure area on the windscreen?

[@captmoonbeam]

+david barker Hi David. We normally turn on our Ant-ice equipment at +10 C or lower in visible moister. Low pressure areas on the wing and engine cowl are where low pressure cooling tends to be more of a problem, Not the windshield. We were at +6. Normally any ice on the windshield melts off as soon as we hit +1 or +2. those temps combined with the high airflow will melt it right off in a few seconds. I think we may have passed through a layer of warm air that freezing rain was falling through.

[@comcfi]

Right seat guy needs to observe sterile cockpit. Damn.

[@ronalds2080]

wow, nice job getting under that ceiling capt.! I would have had white knuckles.! lol

[@captmoonbeam]

thanks Ronald.

[@StacyTiptonLightSportPilot]

Well done sir and Merry Christmas!!!

[@captmoonbeam]

+Stacy Tipton Light Sport Pilot Thanks and a very merry Christmas to you Stacy.

[@bicu77]

harsh landing conditions , good job !

[@captmoonbeam]

+bicu77 Thanks.

[@kreativeflicks]

This video sealed the deal... New subscriber! Great vid!

[@captmoonbeam]

+B Kreative Happy to have you here.

[@ibtm]

Great video!!!! Merry Christmas!!!!!

[@captmoonbeam]

+ibtm thanks and a merry Christmas top you.

[@kawadude111]

Classy!

[@alexanderbejermyr6620]

Great video sir and nice landing sir

[@captmoonbeam]

+Alexander Bejermyr Thanks.

[@chibinwosu5261]

Jim, loved the video. Looked a difficult approach. Was it me ,the camera angle ,or were the flight display instruments constantly in and out of phase . The displays looked difficult to read.

[@captmoonbeam]

In the video the camera and monitors are out of sync. But, you don't see that with your eyes.

[@BossaNossa1]

O.k. so remind me exactly why the change in Altimeter settings... Thanks!

[@captmoonbeam]

+BossaNossa1 The change comes with the speed and distance we are moving. In this video we probably cover 125 miles and the pressure is changing from one area to another.

[@berniemccann8935]

@@captmoonbeam -- Especially that day. 😀

[@AirspotterUK]

Hi great video, keep them coming, If ever you come to London,uk give me a heads up.

[@captmoonbeam]

Thanks Airspotter. I've been there a couple of times and loved it. I just need to find someone who needs to fly to London.

[@bigd-1-channel514]

Slick, Real Slick guys

[@captmoonbeam]

Thanks M2r DDD

[@bigd-1-channel514]

I have another question for you. You had an older video, you had a call-sign of N2Q, you said they are hard to get, so you keep it when you go to another A/C. SO Just how do you acquire such a short N number. you never really got into details.

[@BossaNossa1]

Let us know if you spot Santa flying by in the ice!!! lol :) Thanks!

[@MichaelSchafir]

This is a great video and a good example of some of the challenges of IFR flying. Why a circling approach? Is there no active ILS for that direction?

[@captmoonbeam]

+Michael Schafir there is and that would have been the first choice. But, that would have meant landing with a very strong tailwind that would have exceeded the tailwind landing limitation for the aircraft.

[@MichaelSchafir]

Makes perfect sense. Thank you.

[@ryanripley2072]

Love your videos! I wanted to be a pilot but my dreams got ruined with me having a hearing problem and wouldn't be able to pass the hearing test.

[@captmoonbeam]

+Ryan Ripley Hi Ryan. Thanks for watching. Sorry to hear that. The vision and hearing test knock a lot of people out. Pilots never escape, if you fly long enough eventually one of the items they test for knocks you out.

[@BossaNossa1]

O.k. so in my mind if I were a pilot I'd have binoculars handy to find these airports and runways... Is there a reason why you don't use one..? Thanks! Merry Christmas!!!

[@captmoonbeam]

+BossaNossa1 Merry Christmas Bossa.

[@BossaNossa1]

So, the American flight where were they positioned in relation to you..?

[@captmoonbeam]

+BossaNossa1 the controller was working multiple frequencies over a large geographic area. We never saw the American flight.

[@BossaNossa1]

Could you explain why exactly you guys couldn't land the first time when you had visual, was it your speed..? Thanks!

[@captmoonbeam]

+BossaNossa1 If we had landed on the runway when we broke out the strong tailwind would have pushed us much further down the runway than was safe. That's why we circled to the other side so that we could land into the wind and reduce our landing distance.

[@michaelmitiszek1538]

Very challenging. A co-pilot seems to be very helpful in such extreme weather conditions. Is this Citation registered for single pilot operation as well?

[@captmoonbeam]

+Michael Mitiszek Hi Michael. The Encore is not certified for single pilot operations but, you can get a waiver from the FAA to fly it single pilot. That's an additional check ride on top of the one you would normally take. We can't fly it single pilot because of the type operations we fly. My copilot flies an Encore for another company and he flies it single pilot half the time.

[@mm-zj5qw]

Hey mister pilot, are you able to explain some tips and tricks about clouds and possible hazard . How do you analyze the weather, what should pilot do if icing occurs . Thank you grandpa! :D

[@captmoonbeam]

+Mike Thomson If you start to pick up ice, get out of it. Icing tends to occur in layers and often a change of altitude with an associated temperature or moisture change will get you out of the icing.

[@mm-zj5qw]

captmoonbeam Hey pilot! I need help . please tell me. I have ppl and i flew only on cessna 152 , what should i do to fly cessna 172 ? with the fixed pitch prop . Do i need to fly with instructor to get ( type rating ) or i'm able to fly right now ? Of course after reading POH .

[@BossaNossa1]

So you touched down at 103kts is that correct, like a feather right?

[@captmoonbeam]

+BossaNossa1 our ref was probably 98 kts so that is slightly fast.

[@billyray3761]

Couldn't make it in on the RNAV? Son, Jim coined the phrase "MDA is the runway."

[@1384orion]

Nice flying Capt. What's your favorite airplane to fly? Besides all of them

[@captmoonbeam]

I can't say I have an absolute favorite. I like flying different airplanes.

[@Windtee]

Fine circling approach! Great teamwork! Interesting how the RNAV 12R circling mins are 200' higher than the ILS 30L circling mins. I assume it has to do with the density of obstructions in the vicinity of the approach path of 12R. Were you using Cat C mins on the approach?

[@captmoonbeam]

+Windtee B, returning home, a lot of times our ref is only 98 kts. Your right about the obstructions. Arriving from the west there is an antennae farm, hi-rise buildings and the arch.

[@DeaconMike]

For someone who doesn't fly, that looked a little scary. At least I'd feel a little better knowing you were flying the plane. lol

[@captmoonbeam]

+DeaconMike Thanks Deacon. It always looks worse than it is.

[@avoidingtrees6692]

Good afternoon captainmoonbeam I noticed that you fly different type of airplanes........do you get sometimes confused ????? Fly safe ! Cheers from France 👍

[@captmoonbeam]

For some reason, no. I think it's helpful they're all made by the same manufacturer. Lots of commonalities.

[@avoidingtrees6692]

captmoonbeam Truly amazing. Keep enjoying flying for all of us who don't fly anymore.....👍 Cheers from France.

[@crapper1]

guessing you had to scud run the clouds getting to rwy 12 and make it a visual instead ATIS is quite optimistic things were better than they were lol

[@DJMilo101]

+crapper1 That is considered a Circling Approach. Has prescribed minimums and approach profile so far from scud running. Was a well executed circling approach.

[@mikearakelian6368]

Fo talks too much and distracting....needs to zip it

[@aaronwcary]

Now this is the flying pilots live for

[@captmoonbeam]

it's always fun.

[@SuperSetright]

Fo......talks too much!

[@dornmichael1948]

Co Pilot sounds panicky....staying cool is best..

[@BMcD79959]

The FO needs to practice “sterile cockpit” procedures. Too much unnecessary chatter.

[@hjvibetv7457]

2 thumbs up to the guy in the right seat!

[@captmoonbeam]

+HJVibetv Here's another thumbs up for Bryan.