Car Brands Are Fighting Your Right To Repair

[@rossmanngroup]

The commercials from ballot question one in Massachusetts in the year 2020 were despicable. None of those commercials stayed up online after the ballot question was over. I archived a few of them on my channel last year in a video dedicated to them. I think of more people knew that Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and general motors, made a concerted effort to convince the public that independent mechanics being able to do their job would lead to them being assaulted and beaten in a parking lot, that they would be more pushback against these companies. Some of them are iconic American brands, proudly owned by people who value freedom and put American flags on the bumper of their F150 or Silverado while the company they gave money to lobbies against their ability to choose who fixes their car. They put millions of dollars into brainwashing campaigns to scare people out of allowing others to fix what they own. People who buy them think they represent freedom, without realizing that this was from a bygone era... they USED to represent freedom & American values. It is sad how such amazing companies are now shadows of their former selves. :(

[@jeyoung6244]

How's your pp bus louis?

[@vanhalenman60]

so glad to see louis in the comments

[@willis1712]

The man himself!

[@mllertransport9172]

Louis for President

[@amancalledjoe]

If you say "right to repair" 3 times in the mirror, Louis will appear. I'm sorry I couldn't stop myself

[@WestSandyAutomotive]

Nobody deserves shout outs as much as Louis Rossman. Been watching him for years, and I'm glad he's finally gaining traction. First MKBHD, then Linus, now Donut? Good for you, man.

[@WestSandyAutomotive]

@@xabhax I wasn't commenting on the quality of Linus' commercials. Just saying how impressive it is that he breached a platform that large. That's a broad audience.

[@dallysinghson5569]

@@xabhax Unfortunately true... MKBDSM 100x worse. Not too late for Linusz to save his soul.

[@joeleonard9965]

Check out his interview on Breaking Points! He has really been getting his deserved attention recently

[@Aciimov]

Mr Whose The Boss will be the next, soon

[@mrmidnight32]

Yea I was a little offended when these guys “claimed a victory of the fight” when they did no legal work and make this after the fight is basically over and won.

[@fmf5304]

im a mechanic, i have worked for these companies, they have been trying to make this a reality for years, im in the fight for right to repair, i didn't go into this trade to be part of a monopoly , i did it because my best memories are late nights in the garage getting Bradon's dirt bike running for the first time, late nights till 3 am swapping motor because its not a passion or a hobby or even a career to me, its an obsession i think about these machines and how they work as i fall asleep at night, i constantly tell my friends to learn at least how to do oil changes, rotate your tires, put on your winters your self. my uncle's first vehicle was a van with a blown engine, he swapped it in my grand mothers drive way, only took him a weekend to learn how to and do it, now to swap the head light bulb on my chevy traverse i need to open up the wheel well and reach on in till i got to the bulb, this is not how it should be, people should be able and encouraged to fix there own machines, its what made me want to be a mechanic, every one should be able to as well.

[@dilpreetsingh6847]

Yessssss

[@KevRisi]

amen

[@WarriorsPhoto]

You’re the kind of mechanic 👨‍🔧 I look up too.

[@forgedfromfreedom]

👍👍

[@Jrock-69]

i agree with what your saying and get where your coming from. I am a technician as well for the past 16 years. I do agree that you should have a right to repair. But i think you should have to show a valid mechanic license if you want to purchase Safety related parts over the counter. I have seen some seriously hacked suspension and brakes installed poorly, not tightened or just as simple as the brake calipers being twisted up. I think when it comes to safety related items, Brakes, steering and suspension components, Seat belts, air bags ECT, these parts should only be purchased from Licensed techs and installed by a licensed tech. Hell most places you cant do any major upgrades to your property without a building permit, and even industrial electrical components cant be purchased without a electrician license at least here in Canada anyway

[@Scudw0rth]

Also shoutout to Rich Rebuilds, he's been fighting for Right to Repair in the auto space, especially with companies like Tesla and not selling parts to consumers.

[@ShaneCranor]

Fax

[@xae125]

Heck yeah

[@dhio9615]

wait Tesla doesn't sell parts to consumers?

[@chaitanyarao5546]

​@@dhio9615 Lmao, no Rich helped a guy out a month or two ago who faced a $16,000 bill for a brand new battery on a new Model Y and fixed his issue and charged him $700. Tesla cars are sick af but the service is a scam

[@darkchild130]

@@dhio9615 no, and independent garages can’t fix them either. You have to take them to a Tesla workshop

[@illegalopinions4082]

"How dare people repair their property" - Most people selling things these days. The fact that they call the cars "their products" instead of "you're property" is hugely telling.

[@HvV8446]

"Your property" is different than "you are property" Although, some companies practically own all of your info anyways

[@illegalopinions4082]

@@HvV8446 Yeah yeah, blame autocorrect.

[@777dragonborn]

Okay fine when people quit buying thier crap .and thier sales dry up and go out if business. Hit em where it hurts

[@Cinnamontoastcrunch1029]

@@HvV8446 no no he has a point

[@kahmylion2]

You are all catching on to the language.. thus why you must register=surrender ownership when you buy these products of their creation if you are to use them in the public.

[@jamesstrange5303]

“How dare you try to fix our vehicles.” -Every German Auto Manufacture

[@aaronthomas6155]

More like "How dare anyone try to fix the garbage we call vehicles"....

[@farhenheit628of1200]

Lol Bimmer gang! I have no dip stick! They’re smart!

[@Adrian-tw8un]

@@farhenheit628of1200 fixing bmw isn't that hard tho especially the older ones ive fixed e92 e90 e39 e46 f30 f10. Audi and Mercedes on the other hand

[@farhenheit628of1200]

@@Adrian-tw8un yea I’m ready to work on mine when’re the time comes.

[@Bncxx1275]

@@Adrian-tw8un well,in modern car They still hate people like us to repair it self at home

[@Chris0-58]

"I would pull cash out of my wallet, but I don't have any." I felt that.

[@thatguy9502]

maybe a rich guy who does rebuilds has it.....near a ridge in his wallet.

[@abdulgill5013]

Let’s just say you’re not he only one who felt that

[@kylegunn1816]

I oddly pulled up the comments and read yours right as he said that 🤔

[@GhostOfDamned]

Pov:you open your wallet

[@kestermyronsoldmcmanager1273]

It’s his niche to be “broke” they have millions upon millions of views. Guaranteed he makes atleast 150,000k a year. I’d say more but they have a production team, budget, and about 3 more big personalities amongst other things

[@bugenhagen5813]

Yes, finally right to repair. This stuff is nuts. Louis Rossman is fairly informative on the subject. Thanks for all the likes

[@seanharrison6162]

Rich rebuilds have been fighting Tesla for years they're the worst

[@jz3572]

Speak of the devil and he will come. Guess who's here in the comments

[@Racko5u]

check top commenmt

[@bugenhagen5813]

Lol I commented before finishing the video. Wild.

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@simpleclean2468]

It doesn’t matter how more advance the world and technology gets, I’m happy to advance myself and learn how the world works no matter what it throws at.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

But you can't do that without docs, tools, and parts. That's what RTR is all about.

[@howdythere2419]

John Deere has already done this with their tractors. Farmers are finding it extremely hard to repair their own tractor

[@metwono]

This would’ve been an interesting fact 10 years ago.

[@JDMsubaruGuy]

John Deere is basically the apple of tractors

[@phalanx3803]

an JD think they can stop us? introducing boot leg software good by DPF, DEF, EGR hello better fuel economy, more power, less fire risk. not having to spend $10+ grand on a new DPF when it fucking clogs AGAIN! oh and turbo spool with that damn DPF out of the way i now get the sweet sound of turbo spool damn i love going up hill with a heavy load and the turbo yells in its native language "MO POWA BABY". when i get some spare money i need to put twins our old stingers CAT V8.

[@jmackinjersey1]

The farmers are fighting back. They are buying older tractors and fixing them and using them in the fields. The price of older, used tractors has gone way up.

[@jarso]

"Farmers are finding it extremely hard to repair their own tractor" Do they have skills to do that? Why not anyone speak about the knowledge? It is really different thing to commission CAN bus than change a mechanical join.

[@mambamolt7353]

You just gotta love, How a simple repair isn’t even so simple anymore at all lol

[@NeverMetTheGuy]

Mouthing better than going under a when arch on an Ac RSX, or pulling a bumper on a Subi, to replace a freaking headlight. Edit: Bulb. A headlight bulb.

[@benlee2659]

People still want to pay like it is though......

[@rampageblizzard]

You want to take your battery out? you gotta remove the whole engine...

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

On purpose.

[@joseelfontanero2764]

@@rampageblizzard Its really seriuos shit! BMW is the biggest fuck! Thats why I bought japanese cars or Bikes. I don't get hurt repairing things. I'm a Plumber in Germany, you damn car manufactor in the world, who can't puu if I don't mount the toilet!!! Shut up! Hehe

[@klemon4228]

I’m from Massachusetts, resorting to masshole had me crying 😂

[@12nic93]

Can we just appreciate how much Nolan has improved recently? We see you Nolan, good shit!

[@isaachinojosa7732]

He definitely looks happier lately

[@JustListWithLuke]

No. Nolan hasn’t improved bc he was already balling son. Noloie boi is deff the man

[@CardboardSliver]

How can Nolan improve on perfection? We all love our boi Nolan

[@liviubita4238]

"You gotta fight/ For your right/ To paaaaaaaaaaaaarty!" Beastie Boys are playing in my head whenever I hear about the right to repair anything.

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@_shmoney]

Need to stop these things already ↑↑↑

[@celuiquipeut6527]

They 0laying non stop these days. Our rights, all of them, are under attacks we need to fight for them.

[@liviubita4238]

@@_shmoney Those bots are really annoying, just report them and maybe KZbin will find a way to squish them.

[@1mlb704]

As a Masshole I can tell you firsthand, the "vote no on 1" ads from last year fighting right to repair were so horrendously aggressive and misleading. One of them even had some guy saying he owned a repair shop (yet he didn't name his shop, I wonder why 🙄) and he was advocating no on 1. I think that was in response to one of the yes 1 ads which had a person who actually owned a small repair shop in Leominster. My own local mechanic also had yes on 1 signs in front of his shop. I also work for a big car dealership chain (ironic), and the president of the company sent out an email to all of us saying we should vote no on 1. I legit took offense to that, such a load of crap. I was way more passionate about voting yes on 1 than I was voting for president. It's such garbage what these automakers as well as Apple, John Deere, etc are trying to do. As if consumers weren't already paying way too much for the products in the first place.

[@spfadden082711]

I remember hearing this all the time up in NH. We listen to a lot of Boston radio. WEEI and some tv channels were always having quick bits on it

[@delbomb3131]

They're also working on the removal of the right to resale on top of it, to the extent that they push the boundaries of claiming we don't even own the vehicle to begin with using loopholes claiming that the software in the vehicle is non transferable. This has been in the works for decades

[@NoWr2Run]

WHAT, Did not here of this, WHAT BULLSHIT. FUCK THE CAR COMPANIES & OUR KRAZY GOV.

[@RtistiqSkubie]

Just like video game companies. I wouldn't be surprised if they sit on each others boards.

[@goonridingupnorth1382]

John Deere is the worst for this, I did a whole presentation on it in college. There are quotes from the big wigs at Deere saying we don’t own the tractor, just the right to use it.

[@goonridingupnorth1382]

@@delbomb3131 that’s not how the seed sales Industry works just an FYI, they sell you the seed and make you sign a contract saying you won’t keep any back to reseed next year. They have to do this or they would never get back the millions of dollars and years of research they invested in the new hybrid, which makes sense in my opinion. I farm about 7,000 acres in NE ND, I’ve dealt with that on many occasions, the tractor and auto industry is the real problem.

[@delbomb3131]

@@goonridingupnorth1382 thanks for the correction, I'll delete the nonsense 😜 no sense in spreading nonsense. I live in a farming community and must have misunderstood when it was being described to me or he described it wrong

[@TechDove]

Right to repair has been Huge In consumer electronics for a few years now, with the biggest offender being apple. For a company so hell bent on going carbon neutral their anti repair practices sure do produce alot of waste.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

I totally agree with you, those old iphones or chips could be reused for sooooo many different applications.

[@TechDove]

@@carholic-sz3qv not what I'm talking about. Thanks for the sarcasm though. I'm talking about locking batteries and face ID and displays to each motherboard, I'm talking about fusing the camera lenses around the glass so a back glass replacement requires a full frame swap.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@TechDove yeah thats also another issue with apple.

[@Cookiebreedchannel]

Not only that but also besides of Apple shops also Apple retailers or resellers like gravis are the only ones who are there to make changes like changing your battery or other stuff as the only ways to fixing your iPhone without forfeiting your guarantee you can still do it yourself regardless but problem is if they find out that you did that than guess what congratulations you just kicked your device's guarantee in the bucket

[@Hiddenpower6]

Funny you think company’s care about the environment or people all they want is money they truly don’t care about quality or anything else

[@BIGWILLY8313]

This is why I drive and fix my own old cars of you know your electrical basics and some advanced testing as well as mechanical know how you're good. These newer late models you REALLY need to know and grow you're electrical skills.

[@SvdSinner]

When you said "I'd pull cash out of my waller but I don't have any" I completely expected you to continue with "because James spent it all on High Car"

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@edrcozonoking]

..or hookers.

[@brianhill4153]

I don't keep anything in my waller... Not even sure what a waller is... Is that like a wall safe? A person who puts up walls? Or is it something that only you have?

[@rubenyoranpc]

Car manufacturers: "Fiddling with computers is dangerous" Meanwhile, actual computers: * relatively modular *

[@MIKOOL13]

You bricking your desktop doesn’t put people’s lives at risk.

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@MIKOOL13 it's easy not to brick your desktop... You overthinking everything is putting our rights at risk

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@marcusborderlands6177 a vehicle is very dangerous mobile machine that can cause some serious damages, those computers have to stay calibrated and thoe car companies should allow the repairs shops to work on them.

[@jakubukleja2553]

@@MIKOOL13 No, but a relay controlling the throttle freezing and sticking in -15 will.

[@nikolaierikssonkukkonen9878]

@@jakubukleja2553 "Laughs in throthle cable"

[@Perception.mp4]

I've been watching and supporting Louis Rossman for a long time now, so happy to see him making an impact!!

[@stephenhawkingMLG]

Thank you to bringing this to light. This is something car enthusiasts, farmers, mechanics, and other Americans should definitely be more informed about

[@bmanclassics4350]

I agree I preach the same abt the RPM ACT ...guys like cleetus McFarland and pfi speed being charged thousands by the government for putting modifications on vehicles such as tunes and turbos etc. I work at a small speed shop in Texas. If we were hit with a 50k fine we would shut our doors..plain and simple.... plz go sign the rpm act

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

I am split on this issue. On one hand I do think you should be able to fix your stuff. On the other hand I am tempted to be against this out of spite. Because I am a Tuner and us Tuners have basically been saying this for the last decade. Tuning has basically been legislated out existence in most of the world and the few places it hasn't it is about to and no one cared. In fact the car community supported these anti tuner laws because "the environment though" and we tried to warn them that the restriction of customers to mod their vehicles could be used to stop them from repairing their vehicles. They didn't want to listen and they called me a conspiracy theorist and what do you know the exact thing I said would happen is happening. If you don't support the right of tuners to do to their car what they want then I don't support your right to fix your car.

[@l00k4tstuff]

It's supposed to be for anything a consumer can buy. Most people will get locked in by the tech, but having a choice to go to the local garage instead of the dealer means huge $$ savings for the consumer. If it can get traction, you won't have to buy another smart phone in 2 years when the battery dies but the electronics are still good. By extension, if the car companies get what they want, they can pressure a continual buying cycle when the person comes in for service and the vehicle is nearing the end of warranty, but still a good vehicle not needing replacement. Right to repair: good for the consumer, good for the planet.

[@bmanclassics4350]

@@snapchatsnacks3154 yep #RPMACT

[@bmanclassics4350]

@@snapchatsnacks3154 i feel your pain..and I work with a tuner one of the best Mopar tuners in TX def. Top 3 in South East TX...98% of our business consist of a tune within our rebuild process..whether they go cam with nitrous, forced air.. etc. It always comes with a tune...how is the good ol US government gonna take one of the most important factors in a aftermarket build.!?..its a proven fact turbos run cleaner than most anything! Their are more toxins in AC freon than what the car produces in smog a year...a wreck happens its in the air....but u don't see fat politicians screaming... kill the air conditioning!!..its a fuckin game...

[@F14Goose37]

Lois Rossman is a legend. He calls BS like he sees it.

[@sentinelcheese3420]

I like how Louis Rossmann's comment is just above yours! At least for me. :D

[@rspence3463]

I know a lady who had a crack in the windshield of her LFA. They had to remove the hood, both front fenders…. And doors. 15k to replace the windshield she said.

[@maxx1nsane]

-Dad, why is that new IKEA chair squeaking? -Were waiting for an IKEA engineer to have a look in a week, just booked a service visit. He’ll have a look at the carpet as well, looks a little bit crooked in the dining room.

[@AaronShenghao]

I mean if you are missing a screw, a pin or even a wheel, you can go to your local Ikea store to request a replacement part. So IKEA is quite pro right to repair.

[@EyePatchGuy88]

Issa joke.

[@jacobmassengill1553]

If the future comes to this we're doomed to fail as a society lol

[@AirLancer]

@@AaronShenghao It's called taking the problem and putting it into a different context that highlights how ridiculous of an issue it'd be if applied to those contexts.

[@pacheaco727]

@Brotato because he apparently learned the English language through a 13 year-old girl’s texts.

[@Senorbaylindo]

Any time big companies want to limit their product, it's strictly for them not us. Saying they want to fix cars so we won't hurt ourselves.... smdh. It isn't about our safety.

[@FUNKOfilms]

This just makes me want to get an old car and drive it forever even me. Think about all the benefits. Stick shift, easy to fix, no need to go pass emissions, and many more.

[@actually5004]

Older cars aren't necessarily any easier to fix, just ask people who've diagnosed engine vacuum operated automatic HVAC "computers" or have to wake up an hour early every morning to go set their Holly dual quad to today's local pressure and humidity...

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@whodahellru8124]

@@actually5004 you went back to far. There’s some late 90’s and mid 2000 vehicles that have just enough electronics to make them really reliable but also easy to repair. My rule of thumb is if it has a _touch to … whatever_ feature then it’ll probably be junk in 10-15 years.

[@leandroflaherty]

My old 1961 truck was the most reliable and easiest to fix and diagnose. No computers.

[@meegstomtom]

@@shoveI I couldn't agree more. Even my new truck is easy to fix/modify. And far more capable them my last truck.

[@kain452005]

As a Masshole, I appreciate the correct pronunciation of our nicknames...

[@shonez5527]

Fr

[@peycakes7226]

Its a badge of honor we carry

[@nevg5908]

I just pahked my cah and fixed my blinkah the othah day

[@AAaa-jc5sk]

HELL YEAH FELLO MASSHOLE

[@jasthebaker]

Batteries in the wheel well is the most annoying trend I've seen. I don't know if they still do it but my 1999 required you to remove the drivers side wheel to get to the battery in the behind the plastic wheel well rather than it being in the engine bay

[@alexdiezg]

"It's all about the money." - my dad

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@FJB2020]

He would be correct..

[@trailrunnah8886]

That is the answer when speaking about literally anything in America.

[@smileyllc209]

As an auto technician...yes it is all about the money. It always has been. Dealers have jokes for techs (for the most part) but the manufacturers LOVE to lock repairs away from the public. That way all money leads back to the manufacturers. They do everything they can to choke out good 3rd party technicians.

[@oliversdad4136]

Wise man

[@brickvision8858]

When your 30 year old mustang with 100k miles doesn't look so bad

[@lindlindlindlindlind]

Fucking hell nice my guy

[@chuckiefinster544]

Plus if you can pickup an obd1 scan tool, you'll be unstoppable

[@Garbagejuicewaterfall]

Only 100k? So just broke in?

[@oldrrocr]

or better yet, a Japanese car that doesn't need constant repairs.

[@catdaddy9626]

😆

[@ABZer0x_x]

It's good to see more people standing up for right to repair ❤️

[@garrym9408]

My favorite part of the video was when Nolan said "Massholes" Definitely using that from now on

[@collinslagat3458]

That was mad 😂😂😂😂

[@crazytrain7114]

Common term in New Hampshire for a hundred years

[@trailrunnah8886]

It's a term of pride amongst people that grew up in Massachusetts.

[@legokill1019]

Can confirm as a masshole I approve

[@crazytrain7114]

Ah, just get your liquor and go home! Lol

[@MaverickBlue42]

"If we allowed this sexual predators will track you" Meanwhile, relatively inexpensive GPS trackers specifically designed to be attached to the undersides of autos have been available for nearly two decades for deviants and jaded exes to purchase online......

[@corail53]

Too much work - all about tracking the cell phone these days since that is way way easier to do apparently. You post a photo with metadata and literally everyone knows where you are.

[@MaverickBlue42]

@@corail53 It's literally pretty much the same thing. They were essentially cellphones with the microphone and speaker deleted, but you still had to subscribe to a service for them to work. They were marketed more or less as "keep track of your kids and know they're safe" and "keep track of your wife and know she's faithful".....

[@notmenotme614]

@@corail53 When I was in the military we had briefs on social media security. You can literally work out someone’s life story from their narcissistic posts. Including where they are and their pattern of life. Basically have your social media locked down to the max and only give access to your closest friends and relatives.

[@Syphious64]

These companies are so anti-competitive its disgusting, I'm tired of seeing and dealing with it. Right to repair should be a no-brainer. Awesome video guys!

[@mateuspinesi]

Great to see Donut talking about Right to Repair. Shout-out to our boy Rossmann, would be nice to see a collab with him.

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@ultraininja]

Rich rebuilds would be a better fit for this channel

[@yusspretaeb]

Woo, Luis Rossman is another goat and advocate of right to repair, I'm glad to see this is being covered. Good Job!

[@Typh3621]

Complexity at its core is a huge reason people dont care to learn about vehicles in general. Adding simplicity makes people more apt to learn and try things on their own. As someone who lives in the rust belt id still rather own a 20+ year old 💩box than something new simply because when it goes down im not fighting tooth and nail to repair it. Its pushed even harder by lack of replacement part availibility since the pandemic began.

[@qwerty97ist]

Someone get Nolan a raise.. he's always talking about how he has no money 😂

[@zoemarshall-sappingfield415]

He's a car guy, he's probably spending it all on parts 🤣 (or LA rent....that shit is brutal)

[@LIOX223C]

@@zoemarshall-sappingfield415 it’s a dam robbery

[@dustinhattley3449]

I truly believe they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would only take one car company to come out and promote self-repair and they would dominate. If the company's keep going this way it's just going to raise the value of our old Honda's lol.

[@Kaiju_Universe385]

Just like Trump came out and the world conspired against him.

[@Kaiju_Universe385]

@@shoveI freedom is an omnipresent issue my friend

[@jeremyk9717]

@Jack K I'm gonna vote for the man that does not mock the sick and weak on live television. So keep bringing it to politics. Both parties are fucked and we all should see that by now but let's keep separating! Acting like this political division over the last 5 years has not been the plan all along too.

[@zeedstun891]

they would NOT dominate, not for a long time at least. The right to repair is something that only concerns the used car market, on top of that, removing exclusive rights from your cars only means losing money to other people. A car manufacturer gets no benefit from allowing this. Only the consumer does, the consumer doesnt matter that much because, as we've seen time and again, they are stupid and will buy there stuff anyway.

[@fishfan2]

@@jeremyk9717 EPA does more than regulate cars it regulates our environment and etc. Do you want your kids getting diseases and cancer from nearby factories?

[@popopr5113]

Theres already a blackmarket for programs that can communicate with your modern car. these systems are not fully operational yet but when these companies get their way, this market will BOOM

[@adamclarke2251]

I’m a farmer, and while I don’t have any brand new tractors from John Deere so I don’t have any trouble, the recent troubles with right to repair with John Deere now moving to the automotive industry scares me, eventually we will have to pay for everything and we can’t fix anything ourselves if we don’t stand up against the corporation.

[@automation7295]

Even older tractors from all other manufacturers require repairing. All vehicles require repairing. Did everyone forget that all older vehicles also require repairing? Why do people think that trouble-free vehicles do exist? All vehicles have trouble, even older vehicles. Also I bet all farmers are wishing death on everyone at John Deere.

[@adamclarke2251]

@@automation7295 the problem with John Deere is that they don’t want people messing with their computers and it’s systems, so the older ones don’t really have that problem. I’m sure the people with the new tractors hate it but so far I’m keeping my John Deere’s because they are quality and they get the job done

[@automation7295]

@@adamclarke2251 *"the problem with John Deere is that they don’t want people messing with their computers and it’s systems, so the older ones don’t really have that problem"* But older one will have other problems. Just because older tractors don't have computer systems doesn't mean they never have problems, same goes with cars. Every vehicle have their own problem, it's not possible to make a flawless vehicle.

[@adamclarke2251]

@@automation7295 I know they have problems, but not with the autosteer systems or the new computer systems and that’s the only thing John Deere restricts work on

[@MakeItWithCalvin]

This is why I love my 96 Civic DX so much. It is simple to wrench on and parts are widely available, and there are no anti-fix your stuff covers. That said, I think this is a topic that's gaining steam as were starting to become a more eco-conscious society and were going "why should we throw this whole unit out when in reality, this one little part is bad?"

[@jordanimatedstreaming]

bought my '95 7 years ago for $800 it has 275k now

[@reinbeers5322]

5th gen, nice. I've been looking at 4th or 6th gen hatchback models, the one you have is a common target for ricers.

[@avgFloridian]

Thanks for putting this video out. People are starting to see this creep (legally) into other topics that they care about (I'm shocked that not everyone is a gearhead too), and I have to remind them where it started and how far back the precedents go.

[@raymonds7492]

Hello my fellow Floridian.

[@ianphil397]

When Fiat started producing their modern Fiat 500 they had a known issue where the door handles would break. How did they fix this issue in future manufacturing runs? They put bolts with bispoke heads on them. So you needed a special Fiat tool to get them off.

[@LouisSubearth]

So, Tony can't fix it again?

[@aaronthomas6155]

When Fiat started producing the Dodge Dart, they had a known issue where the clutch slave cylinder would leak, resulting in contamination of the clutch, flywheel and pressure plate. How did they fix this issue in future manufacturing runs? They claimed there was no issue and discontinued the car.

[@unripetomato4312]

"legeslation is often decades behind" -understatement of the century

[@Striker50_]

And decades older than everyone

[@Scr33d]

Need to get some bribes first to stall in for a decade.

[@orochifizz]

yeah ikr i just changed my seat covers, ugh these right to repair restrictions are so difficult

[@mr.q8763]

Nolan "I wanna pull cash outta my pocket but I dont have any" highly relatable 😇😇😇

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@jarydjackson8531]

I’m an auto technician in a corporate owned lube shop in MA and we still have to fight to get the proper equipment. VW makes it really hard to get oil filters for VW, Audi and Lambo. We can’t service Nissan CVTs, Subaru’s are a pain and even new Honda‘s are getting hard to work on. It’s getting better, but still sucks. I do respect the fact it’s easier here than most other states though.

[@anderstermansen130]

MA?

[@dodger7183]

@@anderstermansen130 Massachusetts.

[@NoWr2Run]

DAMN WTF IS GOING ON, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY IT SEEMS ?

[@jessicataylor5001]

How on a lube shop so ur a lube tech then. Cause us line techs know a nissan cvt is easy as hell to service. No computer just need a funnel, drain bucket and 14mm wrench.

[@aaronthomas6155]

VW makes it hard to get oil filters for VW, Audi and Lambo? Since when? Advance, AutoZone and O'Reilly all carry oil filters for VW and Audi..... I've never had a problem getting an oil filter for a VW or Audi.... Worst case, call the dealer and get one. Not hard at all.

[@prashchuttoor904]

same happened to mauritius for John deere where customer refuse to buy since the clause was to repair and to service by agency itself and refuse to sell spareparts to public. John deere closed the doors in mauritius

[@lukethenuke7538]

Remember when car companies actually believed in making reliable cars that would last forever? And they also loved that people could work on their cars freely? Now they struggle to give you a 3 year warranty and actually hate you for working on the car that you bought.

[@anonymousarmadillo6589]

Wait for electric cars. Their batteries cost 85% of the car's value, and last for 7-9 years max. But they are supposed to be more "Eco Friendly". I call bullshit.

[@Kingjay814]

@@anonymousarmadillo6589 look at Rich Rebuilds latest video. Tesla wanted $22k to replace battery pack

[@anonymousarmadillo6589]

@@Kingjay814 Exactly what I was talking about. Cars literally have 4 parts according to Tesla. Drivetrain, battery, computer, and interface elements. They replace the whole thing even though only a tiny, inexpensive part is bad.

[@v4skunk739]

@@anonymousarmadillo6589 Lithium is also mined by children in Africa, is bad for the environment, expensive to make into batteries, almost impossible to properly recycle.

[@tomdrummy4984]

Buy a Toyota

[@DeusMaquina]

There's nothing like working a day of work, then relaxing to Nolan's smooth as butter voice, explain things I've never thought off till seeing the title of the video. Thank you Donut for making Monday's a little less crappy.

[@automation7295]

It's better to listen to Nolan than James. James yells constantly and rapes your eyes. I bet James even yells constantly off camera at home.

[@machupikachu1085]

@@automation7295 I couldn't agree more. His content is so informative, and I know he has his fans, but I just can't watch his videos.

[@johncedeno6269]

for someone who lives in Massachusetts, you gave me a good laugh, when trying to say the name. thank you.

[@troyminer7]

masshole!

[@spark9047]

It’s our right to work on our own cars that we PAYED FOR.

[@hustleyourknowledge]

Absolutely agree if you buy a $60k+ dollar house you get to repair it so why a vehicle should be any different. At the rate prices are going up on vehicle's they better start making them where you can live in them. Cause at this rate only the elite will be able to buy a vehicle and drive it.

[@mihay6643]

They will say you bought the right to drive and modify it

[@spark9047]

@@hustleyourknowledge Thank you, great example too

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@johnnyblue4799]

@@hustleyourknowledge $60k barely gets you the land to build a house on... I don't know where you live, but I wish I could buy a $60k decent house.

[@AlGoYoSu]

Good to see an automotive KZbin channel with a large following shining a light on RtR. Many people have no idea how manufacturers in many fields are actively trying and succeeding in monopolizing the repair industry. The strangle hold on the repair industry includes cars, consumer electronics, medical and military equipment, McDonald's ice cream machines, and ect. You may not care about RtR or understand why it's an issue, but there is a guarantee that something that effects you or that you care about is being produced with the philosophy that you will own nothing and be happy.

[@EMPcharged]

This is one of the most important videos Donut has ever made. Good job guys!!

[@mistamaog]

The crossover I've been wanting finally happened! Also I'm surprised Scotty Kilmer isn't talking about Right to Repair.

[@icost4671]

It is very good to be on his channel and this channel too. If One channel misses something , the other channel picks it up.

[@coleparks7593]

“If you don’t support right to repair your an idiot”

[@pab702]

He’s talked about it on several of his videos

[@itsameyaboi]

As a Masshole, I was about to lose it when you mislabelled my localization (Good sheit gang, great take on the Right to Repair situation, thanks for the video! 🔥)

[@Peaceful3arth]

3:54 "I would pull cash out of my pocket, but I ain't got any..." -Fking Relatable 2021

[@vesh]

Yeah because Car brands are incredibly greedy

[@makfrags14]

Almost every company is in for the money hell ever company just want MONEH

[@makfrags14]

@MMI▶️ just get lost bot.

[@johndoe-im9fr]

Reason why companies are so greedy now is because of shareholders running the company and demanding higher returns each year and expect to see nothing but green. It's sad.

[@JustBadly]

Car companies don't actually make that much money from cars. The reliance on chips is a bigger problem.

[@Ahaggah]

Every brand for that matter. That's just how end stage capitalism works. Support your local businesses and help your community. Fuck big companies.

[@sam-b42034]

Oh no the car companies are turning into Apple.

[@Dayashii]

Tesla is already the apple of cars, they even have their same fanbase

[@JeepXLC]

that's because cars turned into computers. when was the last time you drove a vehicle that actually gave you mechanical control over everything?

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@JeepXLC some cars actually still have mechanical connections

[@Dayashii]

@@JeepXLC my G35 lmaooo

[@ferris2323]

John Deere’s been doing it on their tractors for years

[@autocareorg]

Are you guys ready to do a follow-up on this video? Much has developed since and there's finally ways for drivers to take action.

[@GreyValkrie]

We need to implement a law stating exactly this : Any and ALL technology or developments, future or present, must be available and able to be repaired by an average person. all manufacturers must PROVIDE the items and know how needed to repair any and all technology that they create, to any repair technician or specialist, whether official or unofficial, that requests it. Else be punished with a tax of 100% of any and all GROSS income gained from the sale of said technology and all products that utilize the technology.

[@TheMightyAgency]

I think you're using able instead of access. If I'm a dumbass and can't learn anything, it's not the responsibility of the company to make sure I am ABLE to fix it. I am entitled to the access of the device and knowhow to fix it.

[@Jibbles116]

So, all proprietary software should be made accessible to the public? The source code for the operating system on your computer/phone should be public info for all the hackers in the world to see?

[@tony_5156]

@@Jibbles116 yes

[@leandroflaherty]

We dont need a law, let them build appliances. Just dont buy them. There will be a market for diy if people stop paying for things that arent.

[@Jibbles116]

@@tony_5156 If people are all of a sudden so passionate about open source software, why aren't we seeing a mass migration from Windows to Linux?

[@Stashu413]

As a proud Masshole I’m glad you represented us correctly lol

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

@Lionel's🤤👇 get out

[@Endothermia]

Timestamp: 8:25

[@syxepop]

@@Endothermia - wonder why you guys didn't SMASH the DENOUNCE button at the right of the OFFENDING COMMENT...

[@cupofjoen]

So... Does anyone know what footages they blurred in this video?

[@syxepop]

@@cupofjoen - if you're talking about "Japanese p0rn"; their norm is to pixelate "private parts". Otherwise, can you explain? I've already denounced Lionel's link TWICE and it's still there.

[@isaks3243]

a smart way that suzuki does it and many other manufacturers to make people do the service at a brand shop is by offering extended rust guarantee and free road side assistance if you service your car through them. by giving people the option to go to any shop but also giving them a reason to go for the more expensive one which is the brand specific one will they ensure that people come back with their cars whilst still keeping people happy and keeping people buying their cars. I personally think it is genious. a service at a local small shop is 30% cheaper than at the local suzuki dealer, but since I live in an area where roads are actively salted all winter which leads to rust have I done the choice that I will service my car at the suzuki shop and do the repairs that isn't service at a local shop. I keep the rust guarantee and the completely free road side assistance whilst still saving a buck and saving time because I don't have to do it myself. my second car however is an old classic and I do most of the work on that one myself except for some things that are way easier done or done at all with some specialized tool that I don't own right now.

[@Double_deuce22]

I love the emphasis when he annunciated “con” nectivity (6:57) I believe he subconsciously said it that way because he was describing the manufacturers ability to communicate.

[@Chris0-58]

Rich Rebuilds: I'm considered something of a villain myself.

[@silverfischdotnet]

How did Nolan do this entire episode without mentioning Uncle Rich?

[@LouisSubearth]

@@silverfischdotnet cause he mentioned Louis Rossman

[@albundy5198]

@@silverfischdotnet it’s a shame he was left out

[@brianferreira4554]

Thank you so much for covering this important message!!!!

[@davidvail1996]

“I would pull out some money from my wallet but i don’t have any” same Nolan… same 🤣

[@zoenayru]

*looks intensely at a loosely build daily project car

[@TylerRivera635]

I’M SO GLAD THIS IS GETTING TRACTION ITS BEEN YEARS!!!

[@Arthurpf02]

I love how Nolan is improving his improv skills

[@keithkamps77]

Good stuff, I've been following Louis for many years and fully agree with him.

[@MilesHarrelson]

That’s funny this video just came out. Currently trying to bleed my BMW brakes and found out you really need a BMW program to properly bleed the abs module…. Fun stuff

[@aaronmacy9134]

You’re not alone. I’m changing out pads and rotors on my Lexus GX470 and realized it’s got a sticking caliper that I need to replace, which sucks because you have to use a Toyota Techstream to bleed it’s brakes as well. Fun times.

[@Thom4sssss]

It’s common in most vehicle these days you think yourself lucky I had a Ferrari in our workshop and you don’t want to know the cost of the software 🤢

[@MilesHarrelson]

@@Thom4sssss hahaha it prolly cost more than what I paid for my e39 and e36 combined

[@aaronthomas6155]

@@aaronmacy9134 Autel sells a scan tool that will do the job. You don't need Toyota's shit.... I'm pretty sure my Autel MX808 will do it.

[@aaronmacy9134]

@@aaronthomas6155 hell yeah, thanks mang! Aarons help’n Aarons to run less errands.

[@pondmonserfox]

Good on you Donut and Nolan for raising awareness of the real issues gear heads face in this brave new world of automotive technology (along with basically everyone who buys anything from an OEM in this case.) I think it's disgraceful that OEMs are fighting to take away one of our basic rights as end users of their products. Might end up buying merch to help support this message.

[@SkeltonandCo]

I recall a issue with John Deer not letting repair shops have there software to repair or service any equipment unless through the dealer.

[@biggabenne]

love the tech holding an oil filter while shining his light on the ball joint to inspect them

He was just searching where the oil filter goes ! XD

[@FoxyWoxy-pc8jj]

Thank you so much for helping spread awareness on this issue!

[@00O000OO]

I appreciate you covering this subject and for the nod to Louis Rossmann

[@DinoTrollerino]

I started getting pissed off about this when I realized that my VW doesn't have a fusebox diagram on any manual and it was impossible to find one online, so I had to basically check every sigle fuse in my car to find the broken one, absolutely ridiculous

[@doctortitan873]

The thing that blows my mind the most about VW is that on some vehicles you need to buy a specialty tool to take the oil drain plug out and a different one for the oil filter. Ridiculous

[@DinoTrollerino]

@@xabhax yes, I actually found diagrams online, but my car was one of the last built before a facelift/restyle and has the fuse box of the new one, which made everything more confusing. Finally found the correct diagram by looking at cars form Seat and Skoda built on the same platform. My brother's BMW has a diagram comfortably and practically placed on the fuse box lid, why VW can't do the same? Buying a full on service manual or going to the dealer to change a single fuse is a tad overkill and shouldn't be needed in my opinion.

[@DinoTrollerino]

@@doctortitan873 plastic oil pan, you need to buy a new plug every time you change the oil...

[@doctortitan873]

@@DinoTrollerino you can get away with re using it but i do keep an extra one in my box at all times just in case. The design is so fucking stupid

[@mattpoulter3836]

You gotta fight.... for your right.... to repair it!

[@jonathanmoore7472]

And sadly mechanics have to buy the technology too, trust me over half my tiny paychecks go into tools

[@grey5626]

@Jonathan Moore: those repairing computers have to buy their tools too, and pay for software and more. Right to repair isn't a right for everything to be free of charge. Even libre/free open source software has a lot of commercial support and backing behind it, the libre/free is about FREEDOM, not "free as in beer".

[@MrPanaramuh]

@@grey5626 Yeah, true. But some of these diagnostic tools are insanely expensive.

[@jonathanmoore7472]

@@grey5626 my point is I have been an independent mechanic for 2 years and spent over 20k on tools and I’m nowhere near done, some diagnostic tools a mechanic is expected to buy cost 30k+

[@Jupiter__001_]

@@grey5626 Free software is usually free of cost to use and redistribute though. (In theory the GPL allows for traditional monetisation provided one defines "user" as your customer, but that doesn't really matter here) These diagnostic tools are cheap crap that is made with proprietary codes and connections just so they can rob the mechanic of thousands of pounds for each brand of car they want to work on. It's exploitation, plain and simple.

[@SBdunks3]

@@MrPanaramuh not only are these diagnostic tools expensive but the subscription to keep the software updated is insane

[@lexalford358]

The right to repair or we just don’t buy them at all.

[@MONALISA-ce2is]

AISURU.TOKYO/AGNEZ/?[Making-love]💞 (◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。18 years and over🍎🍑 KZbin: This is fine Someone: Says "heck" KZbin: Be gone #однако #я #люблю #таких #рыбаков #Интересно #забавно #девушка #смешная #垃圾

[@6sixtysix]

This is probably the most important video on this channel. Thank you guys

[@stakeoutownage]

I just did a bunch of maintenance work on my '05 Mini a couple weekends ago. Supercharger, water pump, bunch of other things. Was definitely a heap of work I had put on myself, and there were points where I second guessed as to whether I made the right choice in repairing it myself. 4 days, and an extra 5 quarts of oil later, I was finished, and could NOT have been more satisfied with how I had done. It was the payoff I had been looking forward to, to see and hear my car run better than when I had started. Right to Repair doesn't have to be just protection for people's livelihoods, it also protects our passion for our vehicles and making them our own!

[@PapaThiccc]

I'd love it if a modern car came out with a naturally aspirated engine and all that good shit. Drop all unessential technology and just make it a car guys vehicle. You'd save a bunch of money not throwing unnecessary technology in it that no one wants. When I'm driving a Corvette I don't need to know the stock price I want to hear my engine.

[@jakubukleja2553]

The Russians still make the Niva in the same exact configuration as it was in the 80s. Just get one of them. They used to place pretty high in Dakar so that pretty much tells you all you need to know.

[@LOVE-VIBES-X-PROJECT-CARS]

Sooooo The new brz

[@anthonypowell2835]

That’s why I like my focus. It’s not super technical, and most things just require a few bolts. Don’t get me wrong, the wiring kinda sucks, but It’s not overly complicated or hard to work on. The engine bay has a lot of room to work in too, at least near the back and by the radiator. The air box side is a little crammed lmao.

[@NoWr2Run]

Red Hood inc. DAMN RIGHT, Me personally I DO NOT NEED ALL THIS SHIT THEY CRAM INTO VEHICLES TODAY. IT'S LIKE MY DAMN PHONE, I DON'T USE HALF THE SHIT. My 68 Camaro with it's 327 is a JOY TO WORK ON & I CAN SEE THE DAMN GROUND WHEN I OPEN THE HOOD. Also have my 97 Jeep G.C. 4.0 ALSO VERY EASY TO WORK ON, DON'T NEED $5,000 SCANNER TO FIX IT.

[@fastinradfordable]

Real men don’t drive brand new cars.

[@351wmustanggt]

As a professional Auot Mechanic since 1978 I have watched the evolution of this whole thing. Gone are the days that anyone could repair their car or truck, even if the manufactures are forced to have everything thing open sourced the cost of owning diagnostic equipment will keep most individuals from making repairs at home. It also causes independant shops to struggle because the techknowlogy changes every year with updates etc... Gone is the simple ODBII sytems when a small handheld code reader was effetive and scanners are not cheap especially when they need to be updated periodically. Everything is considered a module including the radio in your dash that if change out you have to take it to the dealer to have it programmed it has to read and reconize the VIN of the vehilce you are installing it in, the manufactures claim it is a security feature. I could go on and on but you get the picture. Oh one other thing is when you take something to the dealer their labor rates are astronomical, around $250 per hour.

[@aaronthomas6155]

Dealership labor rates vary from shop to shop. The shop I currently work at is $155/hr. The last shop I worked at was $120/hr. Both shops waive the diagnostic fee if you approve repairs. At one point, GM actually had their anti-theft system built into their radios. The likelihood of every system in a car going open source is nill. A lot of the "infotainment" systems are developed using QNX. QNX is not open source software and is copyrighted. Best case, you'd get the UX moved to open source. You would completely cease innovation in every industry by forcing QNX to be made open source. Also, making automotive firmware open source, risks irreparable damage to vehicles. Most of that code is written in ASM and is useless to the average person.

[@RABNEYSWRENCHES]

The people who get hit the hardest by this are the technicians. Everything gets harder, you need more tools, more training, more work, and of course less pay. #technicianslivesmatter

[@notmenotme614]

Them: “A sex predator may hunt you down” Me: “So, like an automatic Tinder, then? I’m free next Saturday”.

[@michaelatkin9649]

Thank you guys for making this video. This is a serious issue that has been going on and they seek to make it worse

[@larryplympton9727]

Thanks for the break down on right to repair and how it relates to the auto industry. Love you guys and all the excellent content you produce, but...when I think of "Give it the Beans", all I can think of is Sarah -n- Tuned. :)

[@michaelfenner4189]

Love how you casually dropped a West Wing reference, Nolan!

[@Endothermia]

Timestamp: 4:11

[@rickitysplitz7035]

I have been learning about that with EVs and Tesla. It's nice to know your car and fix it yourself sometimes, especially if it's to save money. I don't mind closing myself off to most car companies if it conveniences me.

[@Charles.h8]

For anyone wondering why clips are blurred its most likely due to a copyright issue with the footage used

[@carrottopevans]

Hey the intro background tune is Matt’s Off Road Recovery channel’s go-to!

[@DennisWHJr]

Glad someone else recognized it!!!

[@carrottopevans]

@@DennisWHJr and then taking and out Loius Rossman was a cherry on top! I don’t think Donut linked his channel though

[@davep4440]

As always, great content guys! You should also do an episode on the auto body industry and insurance company direct repair programs, and insurance company "steering", the questionably legal act they're getting away every day.

[@Verdandi_P]

" we can still vote" ahah thats cute and depressing at the same time

[@xae125]

Shout out to Rich Rebuilds for fighting the good fight.

[@juliahello6673]

Rich Rebuild? You mean the guy who forged Tesla receipts, making it seem like a new battery would cost over $20,000, and then charged someone half the cost of a brand new battery to replace two cells on an 8 year old battery? That Rich Rebuilds? Yeah, he’s such a hero.

[@Texarmageddon]

@@juliahello6673 yeah, he made a nice specific video for people like you who just got it wrong. I bet you vote blue with that herd mentality you have

[@goforbroke28]

YAY! My right to repair... is dying! I have seen this from the days as a stealership technician. Back then prius had many diag. info I could not access with my scanner, but put a yota scanner and BAMM! instant real time info.

[@bySaverio]

The soundtrack at the beginning of the video made me think i was watching Matt's Off Road Recovery lol

[@theseekers4367]

I like how Chrysler charges me a "security pass code" subscription every year just to be able to interface with anything in their newer cars :|

[@anderstermansen130]

I dont own a chrysler

[@3v3rhard]

Why bother chrysler customers are the worst anyway.

[@aaronthomas6155]

@@3v3rhard Nah.... Kia customers are worse....