Why Are They Banning ECU Tuning?

[@NicholasGrammer103]

I love all facets of the donut channel but one of the best things they do is put the little bar at the bottom of the sponsor ad so you can see when it will be over. Mad props

[@GlazzedDonut]

Im more inclined to watch the sponsorship with such tech

[@koncrete_kahuna818]

Its so u can skip it

[@koncrete_kahuna818]

@Gray Plays yo new vid?

[@robhernandez7322]

I’m more inclined to skip it with precision with said tech

[@slapNMcheeks]

@Gray Plays didn't expect you here.

[@Rustbelt76]

California in 2002, cops raid your garage for weed "we're just selling ECU's here!" California 2021, cops raid your garage for ECU's "we're just selling weed here!"

[@GioJonnhyK]

ahahahahahaahhahahahah

[@rak6437]

California sucks! Move somewhere where freedom is embraced and protected from overreaching authoritarians.

[@flyingsavage8522]

This is gold

[@juggernautz]

LOL, love it! Get arrested for Grand Tuned Auto, worse than grand theft auto !!! Glad I live in GA. Cali is nice but communism is growing out there. Now ecu mods are bad, efff'm

[@TommyJonesProductions]

@@rak6437 Freedom to lane split and enjoy cannabis without legal repercussions doesn't count?

[@dylanmorgan5589]

Imagine being the guy who tuned his ECU for less emissions and better fuel economy.

[@AmperageY]

Apparently there are allot in this comment section

[@GGRTL1]

That guy needs to come forward and show them that this ban was bs and I have the data and sue the state.

[@SpaceRanger187]

Just blame Trump like everything else

[@mynameisnotcory]

My vw golf is here…45 mpg but it used to get 37

imagine being the guy with an electric vehicle and not caring one bit :D

[@BigDawgRey95]

"If an ECU tuner wants to make their modification legal for use on CA roads, they have to spend thousands of dollars for certification" Well there it is, the science be damned it's just another soulless money grab by the shitlords in charge 😂

[@Matthew-yc6nx]

Well how else are the Democrats going to pay for benefits for their undocumented voters?

[@JC-gu5cf]

Because making it cheaper to certify your ECU mod means less money that bureaucrats can embezzle 👀

[@Catokawaii]

Generally, just adding a fine to make something legal is a way better policy than making it illegal. It dissuades some people, but the most hardcore people will do it anyway. And hopefully the funding from it makes the enforcement fund itself.

[@jtjoemamma]

welcome to america. where problems arent fixed, theyre just monetized

[@alienclay2]

I live in Washington state. Just two years ago we eliminated biyearly emissions testing because it was a waste of time. With modern ecus so integrated and tracking emissions on their own, virtually nobody failed the test. In reality, a ban on ECU tuning is only targeted at stopping people from adding forced induction to NA cars. It doesn't help anything or anyone.

[@home541_]

They want the tunes to have EO numbers. It costs a pretty penny for a product to have that number. They’re trying to develop more revenue is my guess

[@V8Power5300]

Canada did the same thing

[@f-ckmyr0fil788]

Little Red-Cap raised her eyes🍙🍘🥫🍱🍿🥗🥣

[@f-ckmyr0fil788]

not hear how sweetly the little🍲🥘🍳🥚🥙🌯🌮

[@f-ckmyr0fil788]

it occurred to him that the🔮🛢🗿⚱️⚰️🚬

[@justenkris]

If emissions are truly their only goal, Cali needs to bring back the tailpipe sniffer. If it runs clean, then it IS clean. Sounds like yet another money grab to me.

[@actually5004]

@EVS What's even funnier is the lack of the legislator's knowledge of the CANBUS system or they would know that modern ECUs can be swapped back with very little effort.

[@fkujakedmyname]

well nazis wont tax the corporations so yes

[@nickmacias00]

@EVS are you dumb? Most people with a slight performance mod is going to need a tune therefore they won’t pass smog. Even if you put a fucking smaller pulley on your stock supercharger you need to tune your fuel output therefore you can’t pass smog, it’s a fucking joke, I literally can’t even do a cheap pulley swag without it now failing smog.

[@tylerberg4832]

@@fkujakedmyname who are these imaginary nazis you speak of

[@ltlbuddha]

It is not a money grab. It is a lack of understanding of how the technology works and poor implementation. It is this simple.

[@josephpetersen6903]

Let's just call this what it is: a way for CA gov programs to get funding thru "crackdowns" and fines, I'm sure that list of approved tuners is short and involves owners that "donate" to these programs. Lobbying has finally reached the car modding scene.

[@Raymo2u]

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Ayn Rand

[@swicked86]

What about vehicles that are exempt from smog like many exotics.

[@YouilAushana]

I hope California breaks off and falls into the ocean.

[@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney]

End-stage capitalism. Welcome to the reality every other industry has been dealing with for 20+ years.

[@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney]

@@YouilAushana Along with Florida, Texas, and the rest of the south? Me, too.

[@whoseyourchef2160]

I have had 1 car with an ECU tune, it got about 15% better fuel economy after being tuned and made about 40% more horsepower.

[@baqcasanke]

Phuck yea!

[@jacobfowler8795]

Police officer: “Sir step out of the vehicle” *plugs into your cars access-port and stares at you akwardly*

[@tristandupre6294]

Jokes on them I have obd-1

[@E36.s]

@@tristandupre6294 me too 😂😂 E36

[@tittyglitterinc.5645]

Officer I stg “Burple” is the stock tune bro I stg bro plz I swear

[@ricebox1178]

@@tristandupre6294 finally, a reason to own a pre 1996 car

[@WhoIsSea.]

Jokes on you guys, my daily is a 1974 and doesn't require a smog or cats lol

[@OcAirsoft]

Basically we’re only allowing Prius in California at this time 😂

[@wysmn]

Cali is the devils land. If you don’t get out you’ll go down with it

[@Weird_Cat_Thingy]

Actually no, its Tesla's

[@tavirosu25]

The true communist Utopia is upon us! It's going to be Priuses and iPhones made by slaves and kids in China!

[@cdr2691]

Barely, give it time and those will be illegal

[@MexicanNamedBrandon]

@@wysmn california > literally anywhere else

[@akuriarenzaul]

I see the value of classic cars that are smog exempt getting even higher......

[@hazien2602]

As a wise man once said *we dont care &

[@alphawolf4714]

It's almost like forming regulation for publicity has negative ramifications, or something... Huh.

[@AlicesMazduhs]

Couldn’t people just have 2 ecus?

[@SeeJulianGo]

@@AlicesMazduhs yeah but that’s typically really expensive because the ecu has to match your vin and a dealership has to do that

[@AlicesMazduhs]

@@SeeJulianGo is that for newer cars? My dad has two ecus for his 97 Saab and it was relatively inexpensive and easy

[@SkylineGuy]

"what are you in for?" "triple homicide... you?" "tuned my ECU..." *steps away*

[@rickywilliams2654]

“Tripe homicide put me on the chair”

[@johnjohnsn7633]

That reminds me of the scene in 'Alice's Restaurant', where Arlo Guthrie gets drafted for Military service and gets put on the 'Group W' bench at AFEES because of his arrest for Littering.

[@lawrenceartz8640]

The day they do that to me is the day I would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER own any motor vehicle manufactured on or after January 1, 1968. That is why pre-1968 vehicles go for good money today...shit like that has made pre-1968 vehicles not only hold their value, but make them worth even more. It's the reason why I own a few pre-1968 vehicles myself.

[@johnjohnsn7633]

@@lawrenceartz8640 Actually, unless the vehicle was manufactured specifically for The Peoples Socialistik Republik of Kalifornistan, 1994 is the "magic date" for Version II of On Board Diagnostics (OBD-II); the current industry standard as mandated by federal law.

[@lawrenceartz8640]

@@johnjohnsn7633 I remember back in 1994 (actually in 1992), I made a persomal pledge to never even consider an OBD II vehicle, and back then I was hoarding numerous Chevy IIs...cars, parts, etc. 1962 to 1967, and fortunately, many could be had, plentiful and cheap. Today, I dont own anything newer than a 1992...and I do annual spraying of rustproodong on my vehicles to keep them running for many years to come...just like Cuban do to pre-1959 vehicles. Im still driving these older vehicles every day. I still dont own anything with an airbag in it.

[@ben501st]

The Money Pit episode on installing a new ECU is gonna be really popular soon. It's not ECU tuning if it's a whole swap.

[@thatmikegarcin]

🤯🤯🤯

[@R4M_Tommy]

Aftermarket ECUs will also be illegal soon.

[@Patrick-Mckinney]

You still modified it

[@myroc1]

You still upload a custom tune to an aftermarket ecu, but I like what you're trying.

[@Canto831]

unfortunately replacing the entire ecu wont be a work around. When you go to smog the vehicle the shop will check to ensure you are running the ecu map that the car came with from the factory.

[@davidoneill7554]

California car guys: “DUDE California is so awesome for car culture LMAO” California Government: “Fun is now illegal”

[@Cinnamontoastcrunch1029]

Just don’t live in California hehe

[@nottristenmcneil-tews5164]

I don't think anyone says cali is fun for car culture xD

[@sakuragakuinfukei7586]

fortunately i'm not living in Cali tho :v

[@raymondlegorreta3269]

Just be like me and have 3 classics. Smog exempt babeh

[@sorrowmg278]

California is a nightmare for car culture but also housing is expensive everywhere in spite of the fact that there’s I’d say maybe five cities that are popular.

[@Trami-]

I got an eco tune awhile back and it gave me more power than factory, I get much better mileage and can feel the difference, thinking of getting a retune for more power now, can't belive they would ban that. Glad I'm not in California

[@GhostOfDamned]

At least Scotland doesn’t have such pissy laws

[@Penryn87]

And this isn’t surprising. Like the video explained, factory tunes have to work everywhere.. the cold of Alaska and the heat of Death Valley.. but a tune that appropriate for your climate wouldn’t have to make such compromises.

[@martindinner3621]

@@Penryn87 or upgrade the ECU and sensors to cover temperature and pressure properly. Then you can build a tune that properly can cope. As for why race cars need this...Pike's Peak Hill climb comes to mind.

[@huntermacdonald6431]

What happens in cali usually spreads to the rest of the country…

[@davaneheron7881]

The whores at epa don’t care what state you’re in man

[@BravoFox27]

"If an ECU tuner wants to make their modification legal, they have to spend thousands of Dollars on certification" There you go. Politics and greed trumps all science...

[@ruturaj47]

Lol, they can't get anything certified 😂

[@aj2quick435]

Ecu tuning is one of the best ways to get the most out of an engine, but if Cali is banning tuning, lots of tuners would become technically be criminals, risking their cars or jail time to get lots out of their car

[@gabrielhajjar]

Time for a new fast and furious movie actually based on tuning

[@chhh8057]

@Gray Plays booooooo, boo this man

[@falcongamer58]

@@gabrielhajjar true

[@erikbergstrom258]

you know what i am thinking....carburetors are back baby!

[@alexwatson9595]

Is California gonna pay to unmodifie those cars???? NO

[@guyod1]

.01 % of population is getting 10% worse fuel economy . But driving an escalade that gets 10 mpg is fine.

[@user-uv6cq9mr6x]

Spot on. in nor cal there is always a fucker in a jacked up truck in the fast lane pushing 90 mph when he gets 15 hwy mpg and spewing black smoke emissions. It will be an honorary badge in cali to get towed or ticketed for mods soon enough. We respect the law for the most part at our meets, but when they over step, every meet will turn into a sideshow cuz the community will be fed up.

[@zero01grimreaper]

@@user-uv6cq9mr6x right on

[@rdizzy1]

Yeah, in reality they should probably ban both. To be consistent at least.

[@guyod1]

@@rdizzy1 not my point

[@OnShouldersOfGiants]

Even worse, the same people whining about climate change are flying around in their private jets. These politicians don't care about you or any of us plebs. They care about power. Rules for thee but not for me.

[@holycrapitsjake_]

Politicians rarely understand what they try to regulate, and CA politicians are trailblazers in that respect.

[@markniemeyer3780]

Can't fix stupid man.

[@ddevil4980]

California politicians just hold their pocket open and support who ever throws the most money in it.

[@basedchad6284]

Same shit in NY trust me. They regulate fun and tax the shit out of it

[@greenman8]

This is the Democrats Achilles heel. Good intentions gone Cray. Wouldn't it be great if Emission laws & Regulations relied on Empirical Data, not just the "feels" that, to alter something, must be wrong. Let the semi annual SMOG test results speak for themselves. On the flip side, you have conservatives taking Horse Dewormer, out of mistrust, and Democrats crying for people to trust Medical experts(and people should). It's a crazy world.

[@ddevil4980]

@@greenman8 horse dewormer? For god sakes would you actually watch something other than CNN. Doctor's are prescribing this medication, because guess what? It actually works! From the CDC website.... Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies.1 It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock.2 For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated.1..

[@jeeper390]

You should talk to some guys who are into "hypermiling" or "ecomodding" to se how they use ecu tuning to increase fuel economy

[@notasimplemind]

The hypermiling crowd are more guilty of pollution than the performance guys. Leaning a motor out to 17+ afr creates nitric oxide groups that are the primarily contributors to smog. Its basically why Honda stopped selling the CRX-HF that got 50mpg and couldnt match that number again till the gen1 insight hybrid was introduced.

[@lukeskinner2807]

This could be seen as a hit on right to repair, as well.

[@mikeadams2351]

this isn't a right to repair..this is a right to modify...

[@lukeskinner2807]

@@mikeadams2351 Two sides of the same coin

[@wed3k]

@@lukeskinner2807 dudes ignorant, don't mind him

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@wed3k he's right, you 2 are reaching.

[@pedromateus4268]

@@wed3k You have to modify a product to repair it, even if it is with comparable components, most of the times you can't do a repair properly with the exact same parts that were used originally...

[@alphawolf4714]

As a mechanic and tuner myself, older cars, which about half on the road in Kentucky are 10+ years old, really gets gains in fuel economy and power from tuning. But putting newer, more advanced or reinforced replacement parts on a vehicle, combined with a solid tune, often results in a cleaner burn within a certain range. And a lot of customers want their standard highway speeds and rpms in that range. The idea that the modern driver can afford a 10 mpg sportscar daily is ridiculous.

[@josealegria3615]

now i want to tune my 97 ranger 😝

[@OllamhDrab]

Yeah, this is pretty stupid, that way. Far from all car people are about bigger dyno numbers, cat deletes, and burnouts. I care a *lot* about the environment and even my musclecar would have passed emissions in Massachusetts if it were a brand new Honda. (The stock emissions controls were obsolete and bad, so what I did was get rid of those and optimize what was left for the cam I inherited and what I was doing.) It'd burn a *lot* of fuel if I opened the taps, but it burned it cleanly. With these new computers I could choose similar optimizations. (Likely by calling in someone more up-to-date for anything newer than say 2004, or preferably when I could afford custom ECUs. :) ) Tuning's all about what you *ask for,* too. I wouldn't be asking for heyul yeah, send it or bragging rights about HP numbers. And these laws can backhandedly make it illegal, say, for me to put a much cleaner and nicer Honda engine in my Volvo, which I'd love to try to do.

[@alphawolf4714]

Someone asked for clarification... My standard highway speed is about 90, and that's 2800 rpm for me. In first and second I generate more than enough torque at 3400 rpm to drift based on my initial speed going into the drift. So the tune I want is between 2500-3500 rpm, for max torque. The car is too light to go over about 115 without the front end lifting up, so I'm not thinking about horsepower that much for what I do with the Kiryustang. I can still get a good 28 mpg highway with that and all my mods. I modified an older car to be modular enough to both have fun, and be more efficient, with the reduced weight. That's what I meant by my initial comments.

[@driftertank]

California legislators are very good at regulating things that they have almost zero understanding of. Unfortunately, they're also seen as trailblazers in regulations by legislators in the rest of the country.

[@mikeadams2351]

and you would have proof that the legislators had zero understanding of something...then all of these others legislators see this know nothing and say "yeah baby..I know nothing about this too" and jump on that bandwagon...this is a very interesting idea...very interesting indeed...I'll bet you heard it on a radio show...

[@Ghablio]

@@mikeadams2351 just watch an interview with almost any politician about the contents and reasoning for almost any bill. They rarely have an in depth understanding of, what's in a bill, why it is in the bill or the potential and likely effects it will have. They often have very little understanding of how the items and industries that bills are about operate either. Which is why they're supposed to consult experts. Unfortunately they often let lobbies and paid committees determine what 'experts' they consult with and it ends up that the decisions are made by money

[@Jack-fd8cx]

We need to fix that by being smarter with our votes

[@TdrSld]

@@mikeadams2351 Have you not watched ANY of the hearings in Congress over Internet shit, even the reps that grow up with the internet were asking the most asinine question that made now since. And it's that way on just about any subject matter, fuck 90% of bills brought to table aren't even fully written by the congressmen that are sponsoring them. DO YOU REMEMBER "WE HAVE TO PASS IT, TO FIND OUT WHATS IN IT"!!!

[@gamechip06]

I mean Cali has been democratic (sorry for getting political here) but maybe elder is worth a shot?

[@MrSkinahh86]

Dude! I just moved out August first to a free state! I’m so happy! My STi wouldn’t be allowed there anymore! Hopefully some of the awesome tuners will branch out from their California as well.

[@SuperFlowback]

Luckily, the bill they were trying to pass that would have forced you to pay income taxes up to 10 years after you moved out of state failed. Honestly, I’m surprised it didn’t pass.

[@orangejjay]

@@SuperFlowback Wasn't that only on people earning over $30M a year though?

[@devispaul5923]

Jeremiah: "Do you live in California, Are you mad that they're banning your modified ECU?" Me: "No, I live in India and I'm mad because I can't do shit."

[@pranavraj7806]

._.

[@黒キツネ-九零二一零]

Jesus. Why does everyone comment on india like it's the planet's toilet?

[@idontneedthis66]

@@黒キツネ-九零二一零 Depending on the region, it kinda is.

[@ThePortuguesePlayer]

I feel you.

[@saicharanallam2855]

Yeah!!! Except for putting stickers, everything else is illegal in India!

[@williamsmall8104]

I had no idea tuning was so complicated. I watch a lot of car guys on here, but none have truly gone into depth about what it truly takes to tune a car. This honestly just makes me respect all the car guys more lol

[@jamesjazz3395]

Yup shit gets complicated. A lot of people can strap a turbo and a basic tune. Getting a car finely tuned is what separates racers.

[@loganthesaint]

Funny thing is, most guys want the cleanest burn possible... most efficient burn makes the most power.

[@loonsur8645]

@@loganthesaint see that’s what I thought as well. I started learning tuning Honda’s and learned about AFR. I used to think that dumping a shit ton of fuel makes more power but no, everything the video covered is very true.

[@AdamSchell303Racing]

Carb tuning is hard to not as hard as ECU but still difficult to get everything working just right but it's well worth it.

[@beastlydookie81]

Its why I use a carburetor

[@kevinlugonzbi6005]

If California was interested in enthusiasts, they'd open offices to let us run tail pipe emission checks for a modest fee instead of slapping bans everywhere. Just because a car has an aftermarket intake, exhaust, or ECU doesn't mean that it won't pass a real emissions test

[@iainbagnall4825]

Yep - this is how it is done in the UK. Tune away, but you gotta pass a tailpipe test every year, and your numbers have to be within the acceptable stock ranges for that vehicle. However, you can also fail inspections for slightly dented bumpers, or slightly chipped windshields. Rust too, but I think its pretty fair to take cars with dangerous rotted sills off the roads. Germany is much more strict with their whole TUV stuff tho.

[@TheFruitDragon]

​ @Iain Bagnall Thanks to "Dieselgate" cars from 2010 and newer (Diesel) and 2014 and newer (Petrol) get there ECUs scanned.The ECU's software version number and the ECU's checksum are matched against a database hosted by the Federal Office of motor vehicles. If the checksum doesn't match the car fails the test section called "Verbauprüfung".This leads to a failed main inspection "Hauptuntersuchung (HU)" also called TÜV. Which is the name of one inspection agency.Cars which are chip tuned rarely fail exhaust gas inspection "Abgasuntersuchung (AU)" if they got all catalytic converters and particle filters. Next year they are introducing new exhaust gas testers. I am not that concerned for my '09 5 Series and my '03 E-Class. If they are introducing more and more regulations, I thought about registering my cars in Poland.

[@kevinlugonzbi6005]

@EVS as someone with an NA car, every little bit can help. But yeah, I don't see an air intake that keeps all the sensors messing with emissions much 🙃

[@realspeedghxst]

@@TheFruitDragon basically every diesel car under euro 6 is banned in germany and so most of your euro 4 and euro 5 shitboxes end up here on the balkan where we suckers buy 'em with their flywheel from the factory and then complain how shitty the car is (and mostly it is shitty because we own a golf 5 and goddamn stupid dual mass flywheel)

[@AndyRock1]

@@iainbagnall4825 TUV is worse than California! At least here I can be sneaky with the greatest penalty being a slap on the wrist. Over there it's potentially jail!

[@r1mscar]

We’re talking about the same state that bans gaming PCs if they’re between 600 and 1000 watts, California is where freedom goes to die.

[@evanbarney6817]

California: we want to be 100% electric cars Also California: dont charge your car during the day. We’re out of electricity

[@giuseppenasca2091]

Private companies ready to monopolize the market: Bonjour

[@Raymo2u]

Its the same people who want guns that can micro stamp every round that fires...its almost impossible and the tech wont be there for decades...but lets push legislation for it. Its all about control and profit, none of it actually helps anyone other than the pockets of those that submit it.

[@youkofoxy]

Man, they could invest in public transportation to reduce traffic and emissions. I guess that is too Communist/Socialist to U.S.A. However, if they keep banning everything, then I guess is the land of the free from everything. Even free from choice between taking a train or driving a EV or having a SUV.

[@LouisSubearth]

@@youkofoxy California HSR is becoming a pipe dream, and existing networks are hindered by the big freeways.

[@666meowth]

where i live in the Bay Area, charging my car costs MORE than gas. gas is expensive, but the electricity more-so ... isnt that insane?

[@GlobalGamersCommunit]

I genuinely feel bad for car enthusiasts that live in California. The amount of bans and restrictions on cars is absurd.

[@SenseiKAS13]

and guns, and water, and construction, and education, and taxes. lol what a hell hole

[@tash2844]

Like even for those that lean more towards what the gov. in cali does. I like a good deal of what they do but some stuff like this is just like who thought this was a good idea and why?

[@chrishernandez2490]

Its not that bad. Car culture is still really strong here. CARB approved mods exist which means modding your car is not outright banned.

[@brianfox340]

@@chrishernandez2490 but now tuning your ECU to make mods work is banned, which is a bigger step in that direction.

[@miseryscrown60]

That's what the leaders wants. Soon they will do what it takes to take away the freedom of owning a car... Trust me, they're gonna slowly take away all that from us.

[@442jetmech]

Jerimiah spent about 30 seconds talking about how ecu tuning could effect emissions, and the rest on how an ecu works. Was hoping he would get into details about how modern 3 way cats convert both NOx AND unburned gas into compliant emissions, regardless of power levels.

[@troyfankell6581]

That is a complex answer but he somewhat did answer your question in an overall view of emissions and tuning. With NOx being formed from too lean or too much timing, EGTs really climb causing the partial fusion of Nitrogen and Oxygen. The EGR and other ECU control sensors help reduce this. The other end with unburned fuel or high HC, the use of an air pump, Cat, and all of the ECU control sensors reduce this. Your point on the newer catalytic converters would be a good topic, however I think he is making a general case for the ECU being tuned and thus prohibited even though it most likely polluting less if tuned correctly.

[@davidtryon1205]

I was hoping to see a car that proved the point that tunes can run as clean or cleaner then factory.

[@alfamaize]

Catalyst operation is just about balancing how rich/lean and how long you are rich/lean for each catalyst. Balancing all of that is how OEM's really optimize post light off emissions. For that, you use both the first O2/WB sensor as well as the catalyst monitor O2 sensor. And thinking that after market tuners can do that better without all of the emissions detection components is kind of a stretch.

[@martindinner3621]

@@alfamaize...if you are removing sensors you are making the ecu less effective at making power...why on 🌎 would we want to do that?

[@alfamaize]

@@martindinner3621 No, I'm not removing anything, I'm just pointing out big drivers for catalyst optimization,. All of the other sensors are required to get the air calculation even close enough for the front and rear sensors to even be useful.

[@johnhirsch8809]

Gotta love all those, "Offroad Only" parts for your cars in Cali now. XD

[@Kremund62]

To sum up years and years of proof in one statement.. California law is mostly based off of emotion and pandering, not science (which they preach), and it really sucks to live there only because of its government. Otherwise its great and beautiful.

[@AltoTheGod]

Thats why we live somewhere else and visit cali, enjoying the fruits of their labor while not being affected by their governing bullsheiza

[@johnathankozloff212]

@@AltoTheGod Aye this guy gets it

[@juggsauce]

Beautiful? The air is brown here. 🤣

[@robreeto]

@@juggsauce that's here in the central valley where I live ): I used to live near LA, every year I'd go visit family in Northern California and going over the "grapevine" (basically a big mountain highway you drive over to drive out of Southern California) you can see the layer of brown fog as you decend into the central valley Bakersfield, CA, and its like that from.bakersfield all the way to the bay area/Sacramento California area

[@nvrndingsmmr]

@@robreeto Yeah and that layer of brown fog would look 100x worse if it weren't for the strict Cali emissions standards that conservatives love crying about so much. The only reason LA is even livable is because the government did the right thing and made an aggressive push toward cleaner air and it totally worked.

[@spraynpray]

The stuff some californians voted for doubled the value of my house in AZ. The normal people that lived there are jumping ship and paying cash to live anywhere else.

[@theinquisitor3930]

Dude for real. Same thing here in Utah too. So many new California neighbors.

[@ekscalybur]

Yeah, but they are voting for the same shit that made them jump ship in the first place.

[@noneyabizz8337]

@@ekscalybur that's what that sort does every time they leave one place for another.

[@BigfootUnibrowMan]

@@noneyabizz8337 Like locusts

[@lukethenuke7538]

"The Government's ECU tuning ban is wrong" me: *cries in Italian*

[@straightbusta2609]

Me: Cries in Indian where even putting a sticker on your car could get you caught(Not making this up)

[@lukethenuke7538]

@@straightbusta2609 me: *kinda smiles in Italian while still crying in Italian*

[@straightbusta2609]

@@lukethenuke7538 Atleast you're Italian you lucky dawg, land of fast sexy supercars.... I've never seen a Ferrari in my life

[@N-Scale]

Everything will be OK , just put an N 95 Mask on it.

[@R4M_Tommy]

@@straightbusta2609 Ferraris are VERY rare here.

[@DieselTechJ]

As Luke said this definitely affects right to repair. I think a video on heavy truck and agricultural canbus systems would be an awesome video. Could talk about how the modularity of everything and protocols compare to the automotive world, diesel tuning, being able to spec a vehicle to a far great extent than cars, the challenges of changing emissions regulations, etc. Lots of ways you guys could go with it

[@wilhelm__3713]

"Imagine actually doing emissions test" - Rest of the US

[@JonnyAps]

That is why I will always try to keep my car registered in my current county. My car is 15 yo and is emissions exempt so I can do quite a bit without worrying about having to pass emissions

[@JourneywithBrandon]

Utah requires it.

[@smokeysify]

I cant believe california doesnt actually measure the exhaust. Isnt that what really matters?

[@danielhermosa7148]

It's called a smog check. And they're done by independently owned shops who send the pass or fail to the DMV. California cities have the populations of entire states. So there is no fucking way they can keep track of everyone. I just pay my guy $300 and my catless subaru is good for 2 more years.

[@ReidHenderson]

EMISSIONS! South Carolina has left the chat!

[@mworld2611]

Anything fun: **exists** California: *BANNED*

[@metadata4255]

Still the car capital of the United States

[@SpriteIsSpicyWater]

@@metadata4255 *Texas*

[@metadata4255]

@@SpriteIsSpicyWater Nobody outside of Texas thinks that.

[@giuseppenasca2091]

@@SpriteIsSpicyWater Florida: pfff bitch please

[@NicotineRosberg]

@@metadata4255 "tell me you're from Cali without saying u from Cali"

[@sassquanch8590]

Similar to how CA treats guns. They make random laws that force awkward designs and make the guns more difficult and dangerous to use and only approve certain guns they deem "safe". When new versions with new safety features come out, they are illegal because they aren't on the "safe" list which is created by people who know nothing about guns. For example, 3rd gen glocks are "safe" but the new 4th and 5th gens with improved safety features are not. They're just doing the same thing with cars. Politicians constantly legislate about stuff they don't know anything about and pass laws that accomplish the opposite of their stated goal. They don't want to actually create any benefit, they just want to create an illusion that they can pretend helped somehow.

[@l00k4tstuff]

It's amazing how uneducated politicians are on the things they are legislating. Lobbyists are supposed to be educating them, but really all they are doing is buying laws that work in the lobbyist's favor. It's a broken system, but still better than any other system that's been devised.

[@FunkkyPanda69]

First time at the range, one of the guys had an AR-15 to shoot. I was excited and let down at the exact moment he showed me how they’re reloaded here. I looked like a bumbling idiot using that pink plastic hook thingy to press the mag release. Handicapping legal gun owners for what? To commit legal crimes I guess lmao makes the aesthetics worse because of that chode ass magazine.

[@fastlanejeeb]

It's all about being able to control you.

[@rdizzy1]

@@FunkkyPanda69 I mean, most criminals are technically just legal gun owners prior to their first crime. I mean, if someone decides to shoot up a place, and they haven't been convicted prior, they are just a "legal gun owner". We know in societies that "most" people follow "most" laws, "most" of the time. If this wasn't true, we wouldn't have any laws.

[@robert1539]

@@rdizzy1 and forks make people fat and pencils misspell words. The constitution was very clear on “shall not be infringed”. Allowing these illegal restrictions to become law is a dangerous game. Once your rights are gone, they’re gone. And by passing these stupid laws like your AR-15 needs to have a screwed up grip so you can’t properly handle it and actually making it dangerous. You think a thug cares to make sure his gun is up to par if he wants to rob you?

[@timdurbsza]

Thank you Donut Media. I had tried everything but my car mad (he can tell the difference between a V8 and V12 modern ferrari, M series 6 cylinder and AMG 4 and V8 cylinders)4 year old would not go to sleep until Jeremiah started talking about ECU programming.

[@dangerlos]

California and unnecessary laws to address a non-issue. Shocker.

[@LeArmBoss]

God forbid they try to solve the homeless issue and heroin epidemic

[@joshuagibson2520]

Just like "gun control".

[@honchoryanc]

Communists

[@kevinnorris6558]

@@LeArmBoss It's a pity because California is such a beautiful and unique state, but issues like homelessness and the abundance of heroin needles on the ground make me hesitant to visit the cities there.

[@otiswise]

@@LeArmBoss Let em do all the heroin they want, population control. That state is overcrowded, and thats an understatement. If junkies wanna shoot up and stop their heartbeat, thats their choice.

[@chrisberry5160]

I think an overlooked part of the law is that they have a list of verified manufacturers to make tunable ecus which just creates a barrier to entry for small time companies or ones that don't want to have the government controlling their business as much. Exclusivity in the market is a bad thing

[@SpaceRanger187]

California is nothing but monopolies.

[@AmperageY]

The problem with allowing anyone to tune is that, like VW group demoed is that one can simply have the car perform one way when emission testing and then polute all it wants down the road.

[@robertwood9572]

Capitalism! Fuck yeah lol.

[@JonHop1]

Its all a scam to control people and make big profits for huge companies... Nothing more... California is on its way to becoming a full on Communist state. Other cities and states are suffering the same lack of freedoms as well, but Cali is one of the worst.

[@idokwatcher2062]

@@JonHop1 No, they are copying the European model: if you want a faster car you must buy a faster car from the manufacturer and pay the government their pound of flesh in taxes.

[@JustAnotherCarChannel]

If you think the Government has good ideas, remember what they did to gas cans.

[@crucialgold3059]

I don’t really know what you mean, could someone elaborate?

[@SL_RivviN]

They also gave the taliban SO much weapons, and banned russian ammo imports which made russian ammo skyrocket in price and fucked over a lot of gun guys

[@HoloScope]

@@SL_RivviN aww so sad 😢

[@DigBaddyTaylor]

Best comment here, hands down

[@jasonglisson1690]

Like how the government fixes and builds roads, steal your money or taxes, war on drugs, 2a, mask, certain virus, agent orange it's about control.

[@j.adamwegs2882]

Diesel guys have been saying it for years. Emissions laws and regulations have nothing to do with reducing emissions.

[@electi0neering]

Like the coal rollers? Because f those people.

[@roochiecooch]

They are literally going to see so many more of those old school carbureted builds now. They're going to wish they just let people tune their car's ECU. I'm sure in time we won't even be able to drive gasoline cars on the road in the near future. Or I should say internal combustion engines.

[@illegalopinions4082]

Well, that depends on how lazy the population is and if they just go along with Agenda 21.

[@amaizeing.dumbass5123]

@@illegalopinions4082 wait for legislation threatening cheap food products, and people will rise as fast as they can.

[@metadata4255]

@@illegalopinions4082 lemme guess you're not anti-Semitic cos Zionism isn't Judaism or some bullshit?

[@gunner38ED]

This has already happened in some places. The government is trying to force people to stop buying new ICE cars by taxing the hell out of them. Result: the most sold car became a used +10 year old diesel. Much better for the environment, right? Politicians are retarded.

[@redlinearroyo847]

I was gonna get into Japanese sports cars but now it makes more sense for me to get my uncles old 73 c10 in the backyard and take it off non op and put it back on the road. Runs and drives, has a 350, manual 3 speed short bed stepside. Just chilling. It will definitely put more of a dent in the ozone than a ej or fa would. Good Ole 350 with some headers and a edlebrock running a little rich. I feel like the art of building old 350s will come back now. The only thing it needs is new wooden bed planks and I'm curious how hard a solid axle swap would be. Building a step side short bed k10. It's fine as a 2wd cruiser but I want the solid axle. I'll see if I can find a k sieres for cheap first.

[@DrClutchMD]

As someone who is learning ECU Tuning i can only say that its the same thing here in Germany. Legal ECU Tunes are available, but you would be paying serious Coin for the Tune itself that it has a TÜV Certification... But as of this point, i havent heard of Police looking for a tune on the ECU

[@numberpirate]

I know plenty of people over there who are able to defeat the TUEV (sorry no umlaut on my keyboard) or just get a friend at a station to sign off. If I ever move over there I will go to NL as they do not have any gestapo hangovers in TUV form.

[@notedmastrmind]

That TUV certification would be like California's C.A.R.B. certification, but C.A.R.B. only deals with emissions.

[@aaronthomas6155]

California isn't allowing police to go around looking for vehicles with ECU tunes. That would violate the constitution since they can't justify any such search.

[@notedmastrmind]

@@aaronthomas6155 They can pull you over for driving a modified car, and that right there is "probable cause" to search/inspect the vehicle for compliance. That is why you have to have your C.A.R.B. sticker visible and ledgable, other wise it's a ticket and possibly a tow/impound.

[@defyingtheodds1987]

I feel as if California is trying to shape who and what they want in this state

[@ergopropterhoc]

can't imagine being the state of laguna seca and willow springs and actively trying to crush the enthusiast automotive industry

[@ldsgarage7142]

@@bangkokinc.4233 you spelt demonrat wrong

[@Jramirezi97]

@@ldsgarage7142 thanks Facebook grandpa

[@hondaatcfreak420]

So homeless and people taken a dump on the sidewalk 🤣

[@lolsmol]

That's like every state with their laws, just like Texas and their new abortion laws, or Utah and their weird alcohol laws. If you don't like it, you're essentially left with the decision to stay and suck it up, leave, or perhaps speak up against it.

[@KingBattlon]

Them: "Hey, we made this fascist law that says all mods are illegal unless you give us thousands of dollars to test it and prove it isn't." Aftermarket: ".....okay, fine." Them: "Nah, even though these tunes were tested, we're still banning them, we ran out of other things to make illegal so this one is next."

[@YouLikeToast]

lol it's just endless new laws that have to be made. I love how you put it. lol the government be like "hmm what to do today" "how about we find something that is legal and make it illegal!" "yes! and let's make it so we can also collect more taxes and fees from citizens" *jizz in their pants*

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Sounds fair, they're turning down money.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@Kohlob I'd much rather have their government than what we have in Utah.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@Kohlob Asking people to pray for water instead of actually requiring people to save water? All the Bears Ears nonsense, and the ridiculous alcohol laws. I barely drink so it doesn't even effect me but it's moronic other than the 0.05 BAC limit

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@Kohlob the lack of statewide emissions testing is insane too considering how bad our pollution is

[@tylergriffith1364]

Car tuners-“screw California!” Gun owners- “first time here?”

[@metadata4255]

You're not Matt Damon

[@simplyorange8553]

@@metadata4255 He's Jason Bourne

[@CompproB237]

We've been saying that for decades. Not as long as gun owners but definitely a long time.

[@imthedarknight-8755]

@@CompproB237 even my '84 motorcycle had an entire different model built to comply to California and it just made everything inconvenient to access and complicated to work on. California was a thriving example of car culture in the 50s and 60s, by the 70s they just gave all the car enthusiasts the middle finger

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

Lol

[@CompproB237]

I'd love to see them check the ECU on my '91 Honda Accord (OBD1). Also, California's turning into Little China and it pisses me off. *_Stop voting for these people!_*

[@wed3k]

I have obd0 muhahaha, no cel for this VW!

[@brandon8900]

@Sideways G nobody is going to be wasting their time opening your 91's ECU.

[@davidmock9040]

I would love to see an unedited video of the conversation with the tuner. People like that are a gold mine of information.

[@19MacRazy]

Right?! I was just starting to get all nostalgic about tech school when they decided to hit fast forward. :/

[@TheJeepguy94]

Cali was the birth place of so much car culture. I pray for the Cali car culture.

[@GrantZaitchick]

I live in New Jersey, but I am still concerned about other states possibly adopting this mindset. Everyday car or sports car emissions are important, but most tunes don't throw emissions out the window. The custom tunes should be allowed if they fall within emission guidelines.

[@Honeypot-x9s]

Actually most proper tunes run cleaner than factory tune because optimizing for every bit of air and gas to get more power. Certain turns I’m sure aren’t better, I was messing with options when tuning my car and one of them was injector overrun, basically in addition to normal cycle it injects fuel after combustion cycle and during the exhaust stroke to send fuel out of the exhaust and cause crackles/pops and flames. The thing is, even flames and raw fuel in exhaust are less polluting then a modern car with a bad MAF or MAP sensor or a lazy O2 sensor that isn’t throwing and codes or CEL. And as someone who worked in a shop for a little while, even during my time I seen plenty of sensors that are bad but not throwing codes and OBD-II emissions are happy and complete, even if it’s pumping smoke at WOT. The ironic thing is, in most states including cali, a lazy or bad sensor not throwing codes would pass emissions even if pumping black smoke on WOT, because not testing from tailpipe, testing from the ODB-II port for emissions which is just stupid.

[@geoffreyanderson4719]

@@Honeypot-x9s The hotter it runs the more NOx it emits. More power makes more NOx because it's leaner of a mix. The other direction makes more carbon that's unburnt. Tuning shops NEVER sniff the NOx and carbon at the tailpipe, but they do check the power. Guess what that means is actually being emitted from the pipe. Mo powah baby... and nobody checks the NOx and carbon.

[@jman42s]

Not gonna lie if they’re not tail pipe sniffing skirting emissions is super easy

[@mal2ksc]

The fact is that you could pull a Volkswagen and submit one set of behavior for testing, and another for actual driving. Or just change the tune before and after inspection. The assholes have ruined it for everyone, as they so often do. The only solution would be to allow cars to be stopped and emissions-checked on the side of the road, without allowing time for any components (including firmware) to be updated. That still won't solve Dieselgate shenanigans. Since it's not possible to confirm that someone is loading firmware that actually respects the emissions laws, it's necessary to limit the options to those which _can_ be vetted. I'm sorry tuning is dead, but I blame VW (and any other automaker that cheated, meaning pretty much "everyone but Mazda") and the coal rollers.

[@pashkaS54]

If only this level of scrutiny applied to the power plants and industrial enterprises. By this logic we should limit the maximum rate at which EVs can accelerate as it uses a tremendous amount of power, the pollution is just done else where.

[@mikeadams2351]

the pollution is just done somewhere else is true...the deal is..it's already being made..the EV won't make "more"...making and transporting gasoline makes pollution somewhere else too...the gas then makes even more...google number of oil pipeline spills 2020..that's pollution "else where" from you would be my guess...

[@darronpattel]

@@mikeadams2351 You're actually quite wrong, especially when you factor in what you're grids power runs off and how long those batteries last before having to be replaced. Planet of the humans was a good documentary on it, produced by Micheal Moore. Where I am in BC EV's are kinda practical because of how we get our power, hydro and natural gas, but even then we're still using natural gas. A lot of places in the US are still using natural gas including California, and worse yet; they are importing power from places, which normally isn't too bad depending on the distance, but Californias importing energy from as far away as where I am (a different country), so EV's are way less practical for you guys...

[@pedromateus4268]

@@mikeadams2351 it's not energy that's already being made... If you're charging your car once a day you'll pull the equivalent kw of coal from the powerplant... Granted that it is a small load compared to all the power produced but it isn't energy that has been already made... You'll increase the load on the power station and it will be feed more fuel than usual... So if you accelerate more you'll have decreased range, wich leads to more charging and therefore more coal being burned... Just cause you don't see it doesn't mean electricity is just this magical thing that we can use without consequence... You floor it you'll burn more coal... Your understanding of how a power plant works is just gross and upsetting... This is why EVs are so easy to sell to dumb people, cause they "don't pollute"...

[@pedromateus4268]

@@darronpattel this guy is filling up the comment section with nonsense... He's clearly a smartass, and probably wrote some of these dumb laws...

[@darronpattel]

@Triston Stuart That's a bit wrong too, seeing as the batteries are improving all the time. I think in the next 20 years electric cars could possibly be a good alternative to gas power, but the battery issue is a big one, its keeping things like solar and wind from being a viable option in most places. With all that being said: I doubt EV's will replace combustion completely for at least 50 years, even longer in some areas simply because of how they get their power, and how long the batteries last. Plus by the time that's a reality, I don't think they'll need to ban combustion vehicles simply because by then we'll have enough alternative energies that actually work properly so that wont be necessary. Also by then hopefully they'll be regulating the corporations more then they do the little guy, a lot of these BS regulations (aircare, ecu ban, etc) wouldn't even be necessary if they went after the big industrial polluters....

[@nrd2143]

I feel like California gets worse every year.

[@DShort1088]

It's far from just a feeling.

[@arjnarersn01]

One word…..liberals

[@sp4604]

Screwsom loves to screw the taxpayers

[@Edgar-Friendly]

@@arjnarersn01 authoritarians. The modern Left - HQed in Holywoke - is the modern day version of Jerry Falwell and his misnamed 'Moral Majority'. It's a new religion.

[@tmass1]

it does

[@GregHuston]

I had my truck tuned with EFI Live and it's MPG went up along with drive ability.

[@LonMoer]

The law isn't about emissions, safety or logic, they just want to ban "those cars". These are the same people that mandated electric cars and then started a "Public Service" campaign to conserve energy to help prevent a collapse of the electrical grid.

[@stephen3164]

I’m in CA, with a couple tuned cars - one of which is due for smog. I flashed the original map on, and am driving it 100 miles for all sensors to be “ready”. A lot of uncertainty and rumors if a car will fail if the ecu has ever been modified, even if you show up on the stock map. Subaru was known for their lean tunes. My STi ran poorly on stock tune. Turbo boost was inconsistent. A tune smoothed all that out giving me much better drivability - especially in the 3-4k rpm range where I spend most of my time. I’m sure eventually the performance crowd will all switch to EVs, once they start offering ones with performance handling - and then shortly after that, CA will come after tuners for running batteries at a higher amp rate or whatever they do to EVs to create maximum power.

[@devinwalton408]

“CA bans electric motor tuning because it generates more ozone.”

[@czwhat328]

Get out and vote that Governor of yours out!

[@f-ckmyr0fil788]

‘Thank you kindly, wolf.’🖤💜🧡💛💚💙💗

[@f-ckmyr0fil788]

bottle, and then your grandmother😾😿🙀😽😼😻😹

[@f-ckmyr0fil788]

grandmother, and that she ☣️☢️🔞📵🚷⚠️

[@keonwells934]

This is what happens when the law makers have no idea about what they're making laws for.

[@brettschuller1863]

The real reason is that all the rich kids and their dads are sick and tired of spending hundreds of thousands and even millions.... and still get dumpstered by a turbo hatchback Civic.

[@EfTheTank]

"I'm the smartest guy in Florida, but that doesn't really mean anything." HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@liviubita4238]

I will leave your 69 likes untouched.😁

[@river1403]

I’m curious about The Motley Fool’s claim of “over 500% returns”. Who calculated that? Themselves?

[@TheCoburgProject]

Motley fool has always been wrong about doge I don't trust them

[@DiegoRodriguez-fj3bk]

Same

[@timhan8667]

they give you your 500% return once you pass away 😂

[@cjwright1960]

“We have investigated ourselves and found ourselves to be perfect in every way”.

[@andrewstewart1464]

@@tomj3089 A landscape comprised of vast swamp with intermittent mountain peaks will still be called a swamp. So should the same be applied to TMF; their lucky (and yes, they were lucky) picks that yielded massive returns are only small dots on the landscape of their partially below average speculations. Survivorship bias doesn't show us all the people that lost money on the bad picks. I'm sure the ratio of people who made it big on their advice to those who didn't are as stark as those mountains and the swamp.

[@kar4tube]

Hey guys, thanks for producing this video. I've been trying to get my head around this new phase of CARB crackdowns. As a Cali resident, and owner of a much loved, tastefully modified turbo-charged N54, I can totally attest to how freakin OCD you have to be to dialed-in the tune - with consequent clean exhaust. This new regulation is a massive concern. Clearly emissions equipment is one elephant in the room; another one in the room is how to beat this!?!

[@DJRisi]

I still can't figure out why aftermarket companies are still in Cali.

[@S.Madman]

Because if they qualify to legally sell their stuff there, they qualify everywhere. Now they have no choice, but to get out or change their business model.

[@FlyingSwitz]

lol why is anything still in CA? Leave them to slowly turn into a wasteland.

[@rigozuniga8096]

It still has a huge following, we just need to find ways to keep our stuff legal. I don’t even deal with CARB, I have two ecus, swap one out and remove my supercharger/injectors every 2 years.

[@dandil]

Lots of money to be made there, even when you have to play ball with this bs

[@James_cowley]

@@FlyingSwitz yes please stop visiting and moving here… california sucks don’t come…

[@antoniodr618]

it's always nice to listen the "suck-squeeze-bang-blow"tune, i would love to have that as my personal ringtone

[@antonylaws6554]

Try "Jeep Stuff" by the loveable idiots at Neebs Gaming. It will at least make you giggle.

[@antoniodr618]

@@antonylaws6554 much appreciated mate 😂

[@r000tbeer]

If the government truly cared about emissions, it would apply a vehicle exhaust emission standard that needs to be met and not care about how you get there. Government loves its control over people and thus you get told no ECU tuning, even for no valid reason other than control over you.

[@JavoCover]

In my country you can't pass yearly checks with an engine swap unless is the same model that the car came with. If you had a certificate of emissions from the dealer of the manufacturer you could, but they never ever going to hand that document. The regulations in my country don't have tail pipe emission standard as you said, they just want to control and push new sales on the same dealers the politicians have lobby from.

[@AmaroqStarwind]

Part of this is about rich companies lobbying to get things banned so that they can have more control over the market. Car companies don't want people modifying their own cars to be better. Car companies want people buying new cars. That's how they make money. And one way to guarantee that people are not able to modify their older cars to be better is to lobby for a government agency to ban things.

[@rpgspyware9560]

@@AmaroqStarwind A similar thing happened in gaming, where some developers tried banning mods by implying that "they ruin the game" whereas they are banning them because people shouldn't get free content but paid DLCs. So the customer is losing control to what he bought with his money, somehow this is very tied with the loss of the right to repair.

[@mimicnutria18]

I love how the state of California hates fun cars and regulates the hell out of it but so many good car shows are produced there. It's ironic

[@tomaslopez2940]

They should vote in Larry Elder to save their car culture and state as a whole

[@wotwott2319]

California is a capitalist hellhole and their laws reflect that. This ban on ecu tuning is simply put in place in order to persuade people into paying more money for sport trimmed cars instead of upgrading a base trim car down the line for cheaper.

[@metadata4255]

@@ToaGresh300 I love seeing the contradictions come to a head like this lol

[@giuseppenasca2091]

@@wotwott2319 There are absolutely no way that California is capitalist, the point of capitalism it that you can buy anything you like in California it's the complete opposite.

[@videojeroki]

@@wotwott2319 capitalism is economic model. It is like complaining about gravity when someone through a stone. Ask your government to stop interfering with the economy, because capitalism or not, this is the problem.

[@Gmtail]

It's not just California but soon to be the rest of the country. The EPA wants to push more aggressive laws for car manufacturers than even Biden does. This is why having a smaller government with more oversight of itself is super important. It's a damned sin that all of these electric vehicles are being pushed down our throats and the manufacturers have to comply to these regulations. We need to really start thinking about who we are voting for..

[@antoniomontes198]

It’s almost like California doesn’t care about making sense 🤭

[@elijahbarra584]

Cali hates all cars that you want to have fun with.

[@Jack-cz5su]

@@elijahbarra584 California has been struggling with air pollution for decades, so it kinda makes sense for them to start cracking down on the emission levels of vehicles. However, I also feel like this is a Hail Mary from governor newsom to raise his approval ratings at the last minute.

[@jroda8015]

@@elijahbarra584 more like they dislike ANYTHING remotely cool

[@elijahbarra584]

@@Jack-cz5su I work in the industry and pretty much Newsom just wants to squeeze the automotive industry out and make it to where only the manufactures exist and no more aftermarket or mom and pop shops, for the most part the parts that do get put on peoples cars actually make the vehicle more efficient and burn cleaner the issue is when people neglect performing their maintenance on their vehicle, also I would be looking elsewhere for emission levels, cars have such a low level even the bill that bans the sale of new I.C.E. vehicles he signed will only lower it by approx one third and they want everyone to have an electric vehicle but then not bother upgrading the grid to be able to handle the increase of electric vehicles. I think I'd probably update the grid before saying that they don't want anymore new I.C.E. vehicles. In a way its just a new way to fine people and to have more control over what you can and can't do with your property

[@andrewtorgerson6143]

NAZI!!!

[@geoffreyanderson4719]

CA was recording ECUs at the DMV since 2016 to prepare for this new 2021 rule. They databased the ID numbers and checksums of the ECU firmware of everyone who went to DMV during that early period. Now in 2021 starting in July I think, they fail any car that is an anomaly compared to the majority of the ID numbers that were recorded for that model and year of car. However, this architecture will fail for car models that everybody tuned the moment they got their hands on them. Let me just say it might be possible -- might lol --that a few models almost never had normal cars' IDs recorded because everyone tuned the isht out of them as soon as they got em. Yall know who y'are. I ain't sayin. no worries mates. (You can go research this info if you like.)

[@JonnyAps]

So if we went to the ports and secretly tuned the cars in slightly different ways they would never be able to pin point which cars were tuned and which cars weren’t?

[@tommypdcantcopsht]

Except they get the info from the oems as well. So most likely if it doesn’t match the oems or a carb approved CVN it will fail. The info they have been collecting isn’t to build a “pass” database it’s to verify the system will work and could see how many cars are modified already

[@grey5626]

Just wait until idiotic ECU turners learn about cryptographic hash collisions and forging checksums. Just like warez kiddies were doing, decades ago. WTFG.

[@SHINIGAMI_SAGE]

They're targeting the "right to repair" in a legal way sure you get to repair your car but we'll find a way to not let you do it

[@ss8512]

They sell 800hp cars from the factory yet we can tune are 300hp cars to 350hp.

[@CoalitionGaming]

If this opens the door for tuners in CA to get CARB certification and get an EO sticker, it may not be so bad. I understand this process will be cost restrictive to alot of tuners though, which is unfortunate. However, I've been mulling over the idea of a tune in my diesel Canyon for years but had been wondering if smog testing in CA can detect a tune. Apparently they can, which is why I was hesitant. What's sadder is by all accounts, the tune for my truck improves mpg (if ever so slightly) power, and driveability while emissions controls and things like DPF Regen remain intact. Sounds like something CA should welcome with open arms. I know not all tunes are like that, but the ones that are...I hope to see them get CARB approved.

[@LaJuanHughes]

Go by with banks. It's smog legal. Then you don't have to worry about it just have you carb sticker under the hood and you good .

[@final3119]

@Alexandros Nicolacakis Each individual custom tunes would need CARB compliance unless they are just doing stuff like Cobb Stage 1 tunes which are OTC. That means a custom tune would cost thousands of dollars.

[@dandc2011]

It's cute how you're even entertaining the idea that any of these laws are actually designed to be for emissions.

[@maker000]

Sad and true.

[@LouisSubearth]

Technically they are. Considering how California has helped shape American car culture to what it is today, it's not 100% accurate to say that this is a measure to hurt enthusiasts, especially with California's geography making it prone to more smog and soot, a topic Nolan talked in an earlier episode of Wheel House

[@kamilkarwat2706]

@@LouisSubearth how did California shape car culture in America? Detroit did that. Maybe today with Tesla you can say that but...

[@maker000]

@@kamilkarwat2706 this was my thoughts exactly. Ive lived here for 20 years and what little culture there was is dieing at the hands of arbitrary smog laws and stupid crap like this.

[@justinsgarage1125]

@@LouisSubearth that is only partially true. There is a certain car culture that was shaped in Cali, but not car culture overall. You’ll find different dialects of car culture all across the US and abroad.

[@blahaj9613]

its seriously sad that a state government can ban something without knowing anything about it.

[@spartaninvirginia]

That's how all governments work, on everything.

[@fierygale]

@UCGcQxKtUmyo9VKEIP7Jut9g How is a modded car any less safe then one that isn’t?

[@ereder1476]

you don't kneed to knwo about ECU. You just need to knew that they tune their ECU to have more power by making the mix more rich... and thus more polution. So bad ecu tunning because it's just about getting more power regardless of increase in pollution

[@CodyVanRyn]

@@ereder1476 almost as bad as the pollution caused by electric cars - power's gotta come from somewhere.

[@ereder1476]

@@CodyVanRyn yes. BUt hacking your tesla to have better acceleration won't produce more pollution. pollution has already been done when creating the battery anyway

[@josuejruiz23]

Solid video, very well explained on how tuning works. I just wish they would’ve showed the data on emissions before and after a tune, since apparently it’s California’s claim of why they’re doing this

[@sss_jstn]

"I'm the smartest guy in Florida but that doesn't mean a lot" 😂

[@charlery]

That shit made me pause to crack up

[@DC5Brandon]

Very impressive...with NASA being in Cape Canaveral.

[@tcs07d]

@@DC5Brandon adding Pratt & Whitney in West Palm Beach. Robotic "imagineers" at Disney. Missile and fire control division of Lockheed Martin in Orlando, etc. Alot of great talent out of Florida.

[@commonmockery1074]

I’ve heard and seen people show their tune cars with stock engine equipment produce less emissions than what it’s supposed to originally. Those tests were deemed failures. Think about that, making an engine produce less emissions is illegal. I don’t means making it better for the environment. Makes you wonder if they actually care.

[@franciscosoares2440]

They care about their pockets

[@jovanu4]

they probably only improved some aspects of emissions. you can get a ton of efficiency increase by leaning out, but you generate NOx. Further particle mass and particle amount, unburnt CH and CO are monitored, you need to find a perfect balance between them. OEMs invest a ton of time into developing the best possible tune, no tuner is ever going to meet that quality without 10000+ hours on the dyno

[@kasuraga]

Yeah, with hondata in my car, i was able to tune it to produce way less emissions all around and the damn thing runs better than ever. gets like 10mpg better than it did before converting it from obd0 to obd1 with hondata.

[@kemsat-n6h]

This is pretty lame. You can get an aftermarket ECU and tune your old car for better MPG & fuel emissions simply by getting a better combustion. A better combustion means more of the stuff coming out is just oxygen, carbon dioxide, and water; a worse combustion means you get more NOx & all the other worse emissions. Ultimately getting a better combustion means you get more power out of the fuel you burned, less stress on the catalytic converter, and better MPG across the range by virtue of not having to reach higher RPMs to get the power you need or want. The law should be more complex.

[@0302Shane]

I used to hid my timing on my 93 Toyota pickup with a big electric fan. Ran 91 timed at 12*(stock 5*) shaved head and bored over. When ever I went to smog it it would be below 15% of the maximum in all columns but yet they would harass me on my timing. If I put it on stock timing it ran like shit even when the motor was stock and would barely pass with no power. Also got 26 mpg on the highway

[@anim8ormatt]

Car culture needs to find a better state.

[@kalomeon]

What are they going to do when we're all ripping around in quad brushless civics silently doing 210 mph from a stand still? Oh no, we can't have ev's going around making things unsafe. Screw the government.

[@thejusmar]

Once autopilot gets good enough I doubt they'll let us just drive without a destination

[@joshuagibson2520]

It's never about safety. It's about controlling people.

[@idokwatcher2062]

They want you to buy all those new faster cars. That's the goal of it.

[@kalomeon]

@@idokwatcher2062 or keep pre emissions vehicles, to spite the system.

[@mariusdeaconu7547]

Germany be like: "yeah man swap your engine no problem BUT DO NOT TOUCH THAT DAMN ECU"

[@spazysmalls]

Noff toche vein ecu

[@heikopanzlaff3789]

ECU is checked for manipulations during the road wothyness test every 2 years in Germany if possible. They also check function and visual apperence / existance of the catalytic converter and its regulation system . Even on old cars and motorbikes with carbs without cat`s , the CO content is checked in the exhaust fumes. But that is OK, have no problem with that .

[@roboteen]

@@heikopanzlaff3789 from my research it really depends on who you go to and how deal your pockets are.

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

Lol

[@jpmking9635]

yeah the politicians in Cali probably dont know shit about cars and are just reacting emotionally to something that sounds bad. its one thing to regulate it and say you cant tune a car with e85 and have 1200hp but to not let guys put a turbo on a honda and get 350-400hp off 93 octane is just fucking stupid....

[@Gawsef]

Thank you donut, for getting more eyes on the subject

[@EStone-xt6ne]

California Politicians forgot what made California great in the first place. The small businesses and the people of those small businesses. Now all they want to do is enforce stupid laws that don't make sense. Then enforce them on other states. This is why voting is so important and to understand who and what you are voting for and against.

[@SAMPLETEXT285]

The fact that there still is a car scene in California is insane if i lived there i would of moved out by now

[@theromangladiator1017]

Trust me, we’re trying😖

[@loonsur8645]

My friend moved to Portland and he misses the car scene here in Cali...

[@Herbivore_Joe]

Florida is where it’s at 😎

[@metadata4255]

Biggest car scene in the country lol

[@gnopgn1p]

Enthusiasts can afford to pay a shop that puts in the time to get a CARB legal tune

[@mohamedyaqub4300]

I don't understand a thing, but the humor is top-notch.

[@neeljavia2965]

Same here.

[@tommypdcantcopsht]

Something I think that is very important to point out and add to this is An ecu modified for something unrelated to tuning/emission can now fail emissions. For example a truck getting their ecu flashed to fix tire size or gear ratio calibration will alter the CVN which is what they are checking for. It’s absurd but will now fail.

[@442jetmech]

This right here. altering the tune to bypass or modify emissions is and should remain illegal, but there are tons of reasons the ecu may need to be modified that have zero effect on emissions. Gas cars are actually pretty easy to keep in compliance as long as your not running too lean/rich and have cats to take care of what's generated, regardless of power levels. Diesels on the other hand can easily generate more NOx or particulates than what the SCR can handle.

[@crbrocket]

yeah I was wondering about that, I would hope they planned exceptions (my faith in lawmakers is probably too high) made for legitimate modifications that require ECU changes. And hopefully that doesn't require a dealership visit. Anyone read the new law?

[@tommypdcantcopsht]

@@crbrocket nope no exceptions unless it’s a carb approved tune. Reason being is say you have that reflash for tire size changes. The dmv/smog station, nor California know what was changed and really no way for the vehicle owner to prove it wasn’t emissions altering, they just see it doesn’t match what’s approved or not

[@martinez1701a]

I have a 99 trans am with an ls1 not long ago I changed my throttle body with a stock one and had to use hp tuners to adjust Idle, so youre saying I won't pass smog now?

[@tommypdcantcopsht]

@@martinez1701a assuming you mean you used the scanner part to adjust/relearn then no that’s fine. If you actually re-wrote a tune to the car that would change the CVN but not sure why you would have to do that on a stock throttle body change

[@billysyms5761]

You have Arnold Schwarzenegger to thank for all this. The big Harley enthusiast got into an accident and did not have the M classification to ride one. Given so much crap on his way out the door he passed a law in CA - no modifications to intake or exhaust on motorcycles built after 2012. I was lucky that in 2015 when I bought my Road Glide I immediately purchased the Screaming Eagle Race Tuner. You see the stock Harley you buy out here today runs like crap cause of the lean mixture and the smog. Every Harley I own gets a high input intake, headers and is Dyno tuned. You get better MPG, more horse and torque and the bike just runs cooler. Of course today you they wont ship that race tuner, headers or intake to CA and have to take a trip to Arizona to have your bike tuned. But if you do, it's like you bought a brand new bike, especially in 5th and 6th gears. CA is a joke, and despite people here complaining about all this climate change bullshit still re-elect the fools who promote it time and time again. Like you said, if you follow the science tuning your ride is better overall for the vehicle and the environment, guess that makes me a white supremacist.................

[@wolfenwingsable]

"smartest guy in Florida" Way to set the bar low.

[@IVD214]

He probably said that being that i believe he has 2 degrees from a University. I mean when isn't Florida made fun of from some crazy headlines lol.

[@JoeGator23]

@Endless Sporadic Especially considering this guy is actually gay but hides it... and a hypocrite looking for cheap laughs by calling other people stupid. How smart is that?

[@JoeGator23]

@Endless Sporadic I'm not saying he doesn't do a good job for his channel... but he definitely lives a double life. He probably went to FSU, or so it seems- originally a women's college.

[@yam9635]

Love how there's a thumbs down before there's even enough time to get thru the into

[@Deezy07]

Those people just can't... get it up 🤣🤣

[@mohitnaik4245]

Must be karen.

[@therealtpain90]

Right lol

[@bettafish541]

It's the California government

[@Brian123qa]

Thumbs down are for Commiefornia.

[@justinmorandi]

Its like the leaders of California go through a list of cool shit nd say, well this kid in high-school used to pick on me and i remember he liked tuning, time to hit timmy where it hurts… tuning!

[@link1565V2]

Pretty much how most Democrat regulations are made lol

[@mroversteer3739]

Sad thing is you probably aren’t wrong

[@evossan]

Jeremiah: "Do you live in California, Are you mad that they're banning your modified ECU?" Me, a Portuguese and Indians be like: First time?

[@l33tnobody1337]

Wait.. Modified ECUs are banned in Portugal? I didn't know they were so strict.. I always thought us germans had the strictest laws when it comes to modifying cars.

[@evossan]

@@l33tnobody1337 yeah, we are super limited. You can change rims and in some cases engines, but you have to legalize them, wich when it comes to engines, is rly difficult. You can also change bumpers, but i think you have some weird rules to that, where the brand as to aprove... i dont even know wtf they are doing with car mods law here, honestly.

[@asatrv]

@@evossan Well it's the same in Germany, EVERY change to relevant parts of your car needs to be legalized, which can be very expensive and in some cases even completely impossible.

[@ewardjcarlson]

Sponsored by "Motley Fool." One of the worst/corrupt places to go for stock trading advice. I get you guys need sponsors, but damn. Especially on a vid against banning ECU's, while Motley is owned by one, if not the most corrupt stock manipulation companies in the world.

[@Slirox]

Only 99$ a year!!!!! Yeah I don’t care my bank could do it for me for less lol, regardless ur better off picking ur own stocks bc it’s not that hard to learn about stocks plus you earn a better return doing it yourself.

[@WilliamHollinger2019]

Motley fool's is a fool it is in the name.

[@rezhaadriantanuharja3389]

Well if you know any clean company tell them to sponsor donut then

[@gr1760]

💎🙌

[@toddlin899]

2:43 That is a piece of German culture right there🙏🏼

[@freakyRunner]

The greatest Car Movie of all time!

[@toddlin899]

@Julian Florez Manta, Manta

[@kingofallworlds]

I thought I recognized that German actor in the red! Danke for bringing up the movie name for me to watch!

[@Icecube095]

"Bertie verheiz' die Karre nicht!" "Gert das ist ein Mantamotor..." ;-) Nach 2:43 "Vorsichtig du hast jetzt 120 PS mehr unter der Haube" "Ach du Scheiße das ist ja 'ne Kampfsau"

[@yoface938]

All the while he was talking about increased air/fuel ratio near the last quarter of the vid I found myself aggressively whispering “*MO POWA BABY*” the whole time. I swear these videos are doing something to my subconscious.

[@alphawolf4714]

Yes: They're tapping into the primal human that craves Freedom and Speed. Just let it happen.

[@joshausterlitz3798]

Just another reason why you NEVER EVER!!! register your car/get your license in cali. If you most live/work here, park behind a fence, park in a garage or have your car out of site. Most employers could care less if i have a out of state license, and if so, just get your license here, show your employer, then run back to Arizona (or what even state your cars are reged in) re reg your license and done, still so much cheaper with none of this garbage.

[@wooduyal]

Don’t live in California, right next door in Nevada. Love to watch these episodes of B2B.

[@BigfootUnibrowMan]

Just wait until they all move there and make it Cali 2.0 by voting the same way.

[@wooduyal]

Nevada has high prices already, adding Cali prices would be bad

[@Nivolk_J]

We can thank a bunch of the turning crackdowns in the trucks that have emission defeat devices and those that roll coal. They made it far more visible, and create far more emissions. That said, one thing that is continually ignored about this law is that you can get a tune what is legal. APR has CARB compliant times for VWs, and there are, and will be others.

[@dahei870]

Any carb legal engine mod that comes with a tune will also pass fine. Kenne Bell makes a bunch of carb legal supercharger kits that come with tunes.

[@idokwatcher2062]

Not just them. Look at the epidemic of decat videos on youtube, every clapped out GR86, 350z etc. have "epic straight pipe exhaust sound".

[@bporada66]

Exactly! Most of this stems from these idiots blatantly flaunting them fucking with the emissions. From rolling coal to waste gate dump pipes shooting flames through cutouts in the hood. At least try to hide it and not ruin everything for the rest of us!

[@deanmarr785]

COBB OTS tunes CARB legal too, This is just a bunch of RED State hysteria.

[@rikidavis6563]

i love the little xylophone chime it's so good every time

[@nightspeed98]

Cali has never been on the right side of science or facts, just "feels."

[@1990notch]

Democrats are turning the rest of the country into California.