Car Impounded After Driver Presents License That Expired Almost 50 Years Ago

[@Bob-Lob-Law]

Cop "you know this is only a learner's permit" Yes officer and I'm still learning

[@jeffreymontgomery7516]

"I'm a practicing driver." Like a practicing lawyer... a practicing doctor... :D

[@WillN2Go1]

There's a British driving show, real clips, of people getting pulled over and cited for things like eating a sandwich while driving. I wondered what would've happened to me, outside of accident and death, if the UK constables saw me in my Volkswagen, 60+mph, changing clothes for a job interview from my grubby construction kit.

[@wanttopreach]

🙂😊😀😃😄😆😅🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😁🙃

[@coweatsman]

What Steve called a "learners Permit" was probably not a learners permit but what is called a provisional licence in Australia, the licence you get after you pass your driving test for what used to be one year and then you are issued with a normal licence after the P plate period. The P plate period has been extended to 3 years. The learners permit you get before your P plates (named because P plates are worn on the front and rear of the car). P platers can more easily have their licence cancelled.

[@halfabee]

@@coweatsman UK does not have P plates.

[@liwojenkins]

My Aunt Rita got pulled over for the first time at 65 years old. She did not have a license, had never had one. The officer asked if this was the first time she had ever been pulled over in 50 years, she said yes, he told her to drive home and get a license. The next day, she got a license. That's how real policing is done. It is done for the good of the community, not to destroy people with fines and assault.

[@listenerdave101]

agreed

[@Bigrignohio]

Except the other side of that story. No license means no insurance. Because even IF the insurance company sells you insurance they will refuse to honor it when you get into an accident. Because you are not a "licensed driver".

[@Lizs1231]

❤

[@stevecascaden6345]

Sounds like something my father would have done when he was a police officer back in the late 60s, 70s and early 80s. People liked that if his was treated with respect, he treated them with respect. We need more officers like he was. God bless his soul.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

but why didnt she have a license? you cant convince me she didnt know better. just an asshole?

[@saabreplay7553]

He was a really good driver. Not pulled over for 50 years

[@machintelligence]

My thoughts exactly.

[@surlyogre1476]

No tickets, no accidents, since 1975? Good for him!

[@OneFingerYT]

Fair point.

[@KR15ING]

Traffic policing in the UK involves police waiting for either a speed camera or numberplate recognition camera to flag up vehicles that are speeding or don't have the required safety inspection, vehicle tax and liability insurance. If you get someone legal to get insure your vehicle and you don't speed a serious collision is the only likely way to get caught for no license unfortunately.

[@kraze1982]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@russellkurger2698]

My mom's uncle, an old west Texas farmer, got pulled over by the highway patrol back in the late 1960s. The patrolman was friendly enough. When he looked at his divers license, he couldn't help but notice it had expired well over a decade before. When asked why it was so out of date, he replied "Well, I've just been so busy." The trooper laughed and gave it back to him, "You might want to get that taken care of, Sir. Drive safe and have a good one."

[@mrcryptozoic817]

THAT was a good cop. But in Texas you might have been thrown in jail, tortured for a month, then let go without charges (Similar to another news story this week)

[@dave3657]

My dad got his drivers license back in the late fifties. He drove until the late eighties, same 1960 Olds. When he died he only had his mid-fifties license. He hated going to the DMV or even the grocery store. He drove every day but slow, never on the highway, and never had an accident. If police noticed the old tags, they might of figured that it was a registered antique tag. It was something that nobody even thought about till he died.

[@boataxe4605]

If he has managed to avoid being in an accident or being pulled over by the cops for 50 years he must be a very good driver.

[@joemcmillan2089]

My Grandfather who got his drivers license in the very early 1900's was issued a lifetime drivers license.

[@mikem6549]

My grandfather didn't need to pass a test as he was driving when the test was introduced. Born 1911.

[@WillN2Go1]

One of these made the news in Detroit in the 1970s. Elderly woman pulled over, had a lifetime drivers license from back in the day.

[@TheLunarLumen]

@@mikem6549 My grandfather was born in 1900, and he had a lifetime drivers license. He was driving tractors and various big farm equipment before he was even 16 years old. lol

[@coloradodrives7784]

@@TheLunarLumen that does not actually prepare you to drive on a busy city street or highway.

[@TheWatcherxx99]

They don't make them like they used to

[@gregorythomas333]

Just the fact that he never had an accident or get pulled for any reason for almost half a century is absolutely amazing! Honestly he should be excused for that reason only.

[@Jdiamondhands]

50 years on a learners permit....don't punish him for being a slow learner!

[@bartsanders1553]

He should receive a citation of merit for not losing his wallet since 1975😂

[@coweatsman]

Not a learners permit. Steve was wrong. That is if the system works the way it does in Australia. The L plates you use to learn and then you pass the driving exam and are issued with a provisional licence and some P plates to fix to the front and rear of the car. It's like a normal licence except your licence can be more easily cancelled. After your P plate period you can then be issued with a normal licence.

[@gk5891]

My Grandfather had a paper license issued in 1927. It had no expiration, no number, no testing requirements and no records were kept. The state started issuing him whatever current style licenses "as a convenience" in 1939 without charge.

[@Kromaatikse]

@@coweatsman In Britain, the Provisional Licence actually IS the learner's permit. You are required to have a fully qualified driver accompanying you in the car, put L plates on the car, and are not permitted on motorways (though I think recent changes allow a qualified instructor to give you specific motorway instruction). The Provisional Licence also has a limited period of validity, either 5 or 10 years IIRC. P plates are not a requirement in Britain. You can *optionally* use P plates as a full licence holder, to inform other drivers that you're still a bit inexperienced and thus to give you a bit more space and time to work with. Unfortunately it probably has the opposite effect in practice, much like L plates do. The full licence does not have a regular renewal period, except for drivers in their 70s or so, when a regular medical clearance starts being needed. The expiry date printed on a full licence will be the holder's relevant birthday when that requirement begins.

[@coweatsman]

@@Kromaatikse That is different to Australia. All licences have to renewed periodically, L plates, P plates or full driving licences. Everyone who passes the driving exam earns P plates and then after 3 years in most states when they renew their licence it will automatically be a full licence without the strict licence cancellation conditions for a driving offence and without the lower speed limits applying to P plates.

[@natebyars2439]

Avoiding road pirates for 49 years, legend!

[@fahqahsowl6498]

There is absolutely no reason to have a driver's license or registration or insurance except to control you (aka slavery).

[@patriciacox8169]

Exactly.

[@olsmokey]

And there's that attitude.

[@bmacd2112]

He deserves an award for that....Not a citation!

[@MarkMyWords531]

I live in Missouri. Missouri did that awhile back for historical license plates. I bought my grandfather’s 77 Ford Pickup. I also have the exact plates he put on it. I used those plates to register it for a historical vehicle registration. I was pulled over three times by the local P.D. because they thought I was driving around on, then, 30+year expired plates. I had to educate them each time. I guess I was one of the first, in town, to do this.

[@mrcryptozoic817]

Utah has started issuing 1950s white on black plates again. Sure wish my father had been a plate hoarder. I'd like to get his white on black plate back.

[@richardross7219]

In the 1970s, my grandfather showed me his 1927 Drivers License. He said that he had found it in a drawer and was going to carry it. If he was pulled over, he was going to show it to the cop first and then pull out his current license. Good Luck, Rick

[@scottmcshannon6821]

good way to get the maximum penalty.

[@philopharynx7910]

@@scottmcshannon6821 That depends. Sometimes if you make the officer laugh they'll give you a warning. But it's a crapshoot.

[@RT-qd8yl]

Where I live they wouldn't find it funny, they'd just add more charges.

[@grahamstretch6863]

@@scottmcshannon6821 Not necessarily, in the UK it may still be valid. I still have my paper license, there was a big push to go to renewable credit card photo identification licences for £10 or £15 per ten years, mine doesn’t expire until I’m 70, if his is UK was issued in 1927 it is probably still valid!

[@steven.h0629]

Good one.. you go Grandpa Rick 👍😎✊

[@sunshine3914]

I’m in Texas, last year it took 6.5 hours to renew my license… & I had an appointment. The renewal paperwork had no instructions other than to make an appointment. It’s a 38 mile drive one way, so I tried to call & make certain I had everything that I needed. I’ve held a drivers license for over 50 years. Never will I go through that bs again.

[@muddobber6863]

Yep, we keep electing Republicans and they're keeping their promise of smaller government.

[@1anthonybrowning]

I recently got hit by an old lady on the road. She stated this was the first blemish on her license in 70 years of driving.

[@aaadamt964]

My grandma is almost 90 and just stopped driving. She had no accidents until the last 5-7 years. In that time she's hit everything but the lottery.

[@highpockets2376]

@@aaadamt964 🤣🤣

[@jayjaynella4539]

A modern woman would have charged you with sexual harassment.

[@peterengland6153]

My Dad got his driving license in the UK back in 1930's without a driving test, just walk in a office asked for one got one, and that was for life.

[@janjager2906]

My granddad in Netherlands too, he drove cars before it became mandated.

[@thomasharris5151]

Old dude had a damn learner’s permit for darn near 50 years!😂😅😂😅😂😅 that’s savage!

[@alanmcentee9457]

OK, and did he learn anything?

[@fahqahsowl6498]

There is absolutely no reason to have a driver's license or registration or insurance except to control you (aka slavery).

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@@alanmcentee9457 Yes that the ticket for driving without a license for 50 years is less then paying repeatedly for a license over 50 years lol

[@alanmcentee9457]

@@SilverStarHeggisist I don't know about Britain, but in America purposely driving without a license can get a jail term. A DL is also required for insurance and registering a private vehicle.

[@janwitts2688]

Lol.. i still have my grandmother's licence.. one of those little red uk ones.. with 'all categories' typed into it.. basicly this little 4 foot 10 lady would drive any vehicle whatsoever.. tank transporter, bridgelayer, mixer truck, 1000cc motorbike.. anything.. absolutely hilarious

[@KENPOKING-ew2pr]

Thank your Nana for her great genes!! She is a STAR!!

[@fahqahsowl6498]

There is absolutely no reason to have a driver's license or registration or insurance except to control you (aka slavery).

[@anthonykettle174]

I still have my UK red driving licence from pre 1970. Not using it now!!!! Lancashire is an Engliish County in NW of country.

[@marknesselhaus4376]

First off, Happy New Year. Wow, in 1975 I was a senior in high school and had already been driving for a couple of years. My how time passes by ;-)

[@danielmarek4609]

Back in the 70’s we found out my dad’s father, my grandfather, had been driving on an expired. Not only that but for seven years. It came to light when he hit the center post between the two garage doors with his 56 Buick Century moving it a foot off the foundation. That car had zero damage. So it does happen, people can miss renewing their license. My grandfather never drove after that.

[@KENPOKING-ew2pr]

That tells me that those cars were solid, our neighbour had a four year old ford with the drivers door that was maladjusted and not closing properly. We grasped it, pulled it up and aligned it by hand!

[@solandri69]

@@KENPOKING-ew2pr It's not so much that they were designed to be solid. But that gas was cheap, and there were no government mandates for minimum fuel efficiency back then. So weight simply wasn't a design criteria. The engineers didn't bother doing complex structural strength calculations to try to reduce the car's weight. They just piled in enough steel until "that should be strong enough." (The 1950s was also before crumple zones and rigid passenger compartments became a thing. Meaning your odds of dying in a crash were much higher in a 1950s car, regardless of type of accident.)

[@KENPOKING-ew2pr]

@@solandri69 You are singing to the choir. My first car was a 1952 Buick straight 8 sold to me by an older neighbour for $25 dollars..It was as old as dirt when I got it and he colluded with my parents to try to get me off my Kawasaki 750 Mach1V motorcycle..I now have a British SUV that has incredible tech and know about all the engineering that you have posted.. I would still rather be in "Old Bullet" (the Buick) if I got hit broadside by most of todays passenger cars.Just my opinion😎

[@terryhayward7905]

The UK full licence is for life, You are correct, a provisional licence is only for you to drive with a full qualified driver with you. The only time that you need to renew your full licence is at the age of 70, and then every 3 years after that, the cost is £0. You can live virtually anywhere in the UK without a car, there are busses that cover virtually the whole of the UK, although is very remote areas the service may not be stellar.

[@TinWhisker]

Almost, they still need to be 'renewed' every 10 years, but you don't need a retest. From 70, it just changes to every 3 years (and you may need to prove medical/eyesight is acceptable).

[@barkerit]

⁠The ten year renewal is only if you have a photo license and is basically so the photo is a reasonable likeness. The older paper full license is still valid until your 70th birthday. You only need to get a photo license if your circumstances change, such as change of name or address, additional classes of vehicle you are allowed to drive after taking the appropriate test or you’ve committed a traffic offence and therefore have points added or have to re-apply after being banned. All of this is remotely done either online or via post.

[@bluedarkyugi]

It’s also possible that he did pass his test and just never applied for his full license.

[@G0LGS]

Correct a Licence issued 49 years ago would have been a paper one that never expires or at least would have an expirey date of your 70th Birthday (unless you change address or come other change is required).

[@jasondunn5]

Paper licence is no longer used. As soon as photo licence was introduced it became compulsory to renew every 10 years and has been used as a way of increasing revenue.

[@russellkurger2698]

I was just a little kid when we got transferred back to the States from Guam. Dad bought a car in San Deigo and and headed back to Texas. We got stopped by a cop that obviously had a toothache and an ingrown toenail. We had a Texas tag in the back window and a temp tag still on the car. My dad handed over his expired Texas drivers license and this little tissue paper thing that passed for a Guam license. The cop was trying to find anything to hang my dad with but he was so out of his element he just tossed dad his papers and told him to get the hell out of there.

[@YenRug]

@lehtoslaw We don't have MOT tags in the UK, it's purely an online database linked to the vehicle registration, so the police will have picked up on it using an ANPR camera mounted in their patrol car. As they drive along the cameras alert them to any vehicle they pass by that doesn't have a current MOT, tax, or insurance. Also, our vehicle registrations are linked to the vehicle more or less permanently, you can swap in/out personalised registrations that you hold as long as the vehicle has a current MOT.

[@newshodgepodge6329]

@@YenRug Databases are never wrong, just like the people who don't know how to even use them correctly. /s... as though I should even really need to add that disclaimer.

[@YenRug]

@@newshodgepodge6329 No debate over the accuracy of databases, know all too well there can be mistakes in them, I've populated them myself for my work and had to make corrections after realising I'd made errors. My point was that Steve was talking about MOT tags, presuming they were like registration tags that most US States have, I was just pointing out that all of that is handled by a database and scanned using an automated process by the police. We did used to have tax discs, in the UK, and they would be colour coded so police could identify expired ones (I recall a news story about someone being pulled over and it being discovered their tax disc was over 30 years old, the colour having been reused for the first time since then and again expired), they still issued them for several years after an accessible database was established but were eventually phased out. You'll see some "classic" cars still have them mounted in their windows, helping indicate just how old they are as an affectation.

[@TheEulerID]

​@@newshodgepodge6329Of course there will be mistakes, but these can be resolved by investigation if pulled up in error. A paper record is provided for the annual vehicle test, a physical driver licence is also issued, you get confirmation of car tax renewals, and copies of insurance policies. All ought to be checked as a matter of course, and I recommend printing out tax renewal and insurance documents too. You can also check your MOT (annual safety\emissions test) status, car tax status and insurance status online. Indeed anybody can check any of those online on any registered car, albeit with personal identifying information omitted. The police, insurance companies and so on have access to much more information. For reference, in over 50 years I have never been stopped by the police).

[@paulne1514]

My 92 year old Aunt never had an accident until this year. While driving in a sparsely populated neighborhood, a 16 year old kid who had just passed his drivers test that day, backed down his driveway without looking and smashed into a bright red car with the headlights on. My Aunt did everything possible to be seen. She doesn’t have a camera or cell phone. Had no idea what to do since this never happened to her before.

[@steveg9674]

Steve, the bloke was keeping that provisional license on him, wow for the whole time

[@markelliot1248]

Hi Steve I live in the UK. Firstly we do not have a concept of expired number plates, these are given to a vehicle when first registered until it is scrapped and never become invalid. I have a full driving licence granted in 1979 and as long as I don't change my home address is valid until 2031.

[@yt650]

Recently on KZbin I saw the DMV in Reno Nevada that had 400 people standing in line around the building to get their license renewed or license plate for their vehicle. The number one person in line had been there from 7 PM the night before waiting till they opened at 9 AM. In my particular case because of a new building and technology, my renewal was quick an error free. Glad I don’t live in Reno.

[@liwojenkins]

Wow! In Florida I am usually in and out within 10-25 minutes. That's terrible, can't imagine.

[@LuckyBaldwin777]

That's the new $50 million DMV building, too. I liked the old DMV on Galletti. They had a coffee shop inside that made the wait a little more civilized. That's crazy anyone would wait that long at the DMV in Reno. If you drive to the DMV in Fallon, there usually isn't a line there, and if there is, it's small. It's 60 mi one way, but is still quicker than waiting all night to get in to the Reno DMV. The ones waiting that long must be the cheeseballs from California.

[@mitchellhogan5142]

I saw that! And they had a restaurant inside! Henderson Nevada

[@mitchellhogan5142]

We go 30 min away to another city to the dmv there because the staff locally is so rude. Even the state knows how rude they are, but nothing is done

[@pheonixdragon2261]

The largest town/city that I know of in Lancashire County (Known as just Lancashire) is Blackpool. Lancashire is about 2 hours north of London by train. I've seen cars in the UK that have a red L on the front and back of cars and trucks that indicate a Learner or Provisional driver is in the vehicle, once you pass your driving test and get a full license you can opt for a green P sticker to show other drivers you are newly licensed.

[@NearlyFullyFree]

The P sticker is a good idea in my opinion to show other drivers to give you some consideration and be aware of you, as a novice. In Northern Ireland they have it mandatory to have an R (for ‘restricted’ driver) displayed on front and back of vehicle for one year after passing test and restricts the driver to 45mph. I think in the Irish Republic, they have an N letter, which I assume is Irish for Novice or similar.

[@Raums]

In the UK you get a provisional license which lets you drive with someone who has a full license in the car. This is so they can help train you to get your full license. Driving licence once you pass the test can so be renewed online easily, only need to do it every 10 years.. it’s one online form and upload a new photo 20 minutes worth of effort.

[@RT-qd8yl]

They let you upload your own photo? How do they make that work without people uploading fake or modified pictures? Does it still get a human review and compared to previous photos on file?

[@DavidNewmanDr]

@@RT-qd8yl No check apart from when the police pull you over. If it doesn't match your face, they can demand other ID. And our old paper licences had no photo at all.

[@dank9561]

@@RT-qd8yl When you apply for your first ever drivers licence with a photo you have to get the paperwork signed by someone of authority (doctor, lawyer, police officer, Post Office employee etc) to confirm the photo is indeed you. Over here in the UK some of the passport photo booths you find in supermarkets and train stations etc can automatically upload your new photo to the DVLA (government department that deals with driving licenses), the booth prints you a receipt with a unique code on it that you enter online when renewing your licence so they can attach it to your new one. If you have recently renewed your photo for your passport you also have the option to re-use that same photo without having to submit a new one by supplying your passport number on the renewal application. All the photos are checked by humans at the DVLA to ensure it's similar to your previous one.

[@WhiteDieselShed]

@@RT-qd8yl The first photo needs to be signed by someone that knows you and from certain professions.

[@diamonddave2622]

Lancashire is a county in the northwest of England. It's about twice the size of Wayne County MI

[@stuartjohnston1086]

Some of it is very rural and sparsely populated. It is entirely possible that they drove round for 49 years, rarely seeing the police and not getting stopped. ( Until now. )

[@Kromaatikse]

@@stuartjohnston1086 While this is true, I found an article saying this happened in Bamber Bridge, one of the outskirts of Preston - the biggest town in sight!

[@acraigwest]

to be fair, my friend's British license she got in her twenties expired on her 80th birthday

[@HarryOld972]

Once you get to 70 in the UK your licence expires and you have to renew it every three years. It's no big thing, it's free, you do it online, but you have certify that your eyesight has been checked and other health question. You don't have to give a fresh photo, they re-use the last one. Fair enough, frankly.

[@YenRug]

@@acraigwest slight correction, they expire on your 70th birthday, they then have to be renewed at decreasing intervals, sometimes along with health checks.

[@sunshine3914]

@@HarryOld972 That’s great. After holding many different class of drivers licenses in TX, for over 55 years, I had to drive 78 miles (round trip), wait 6.5 hours (with an appointment), & pay $78. Most irate I’ve ever been.

[@Name-u3m]

Since his DL is 49 years expired, they should use the penalty for what it was back when it first became expired and not the current penalty for not having it renewed (grand Fathered) .

[@boblynch7348]

In my part of Texas, it never ceases to amaze me how so many people actually can get a driver's license. Talk about bad drivers! A third grader could actually do a better job of driving a vehicle than these idiots.

[@HarryOld972]

The UK driving test is quite difficult. Americans come here thinking it will be a breeze to get their UK licence (which they need after 12 months) and then discover that it will need some work to get through.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

in europe you have to actually prove you can drive. in america you just have to prove you are 16.

[@jefferykaplan4400]

That is the case all over the country.

[@artmallory970]

You're seeing more & more bad drivers on the roads today. They must still be handing out licences in corn-flake packets...

[@scottmcshannon6821]

@@artmallory970 all you have to do to get a license in america is prove you are 16. thats it.

[@mdshovel]

Here in the UK ... There is no MOT test "sticker" - the Police have ANPR on their vehicles and the info is immediately available showing vehicle details, registered keeper, MOT Status, Road Fund Licence Status, and names of Insured drivers. The Police can read this info about a car doing 70mph in the other direction across several lanes. A "Provisional Licence" is a Learner's Permit .. the law has now changed since the 1970s, but it lasts 10 years and allows you to drive under supervision by a Full Driving Licence holder with "L" plates on the car while learning. You now take a theory test and have to take a practical test within 2 years of passing the theory exam. The car would be seized because without the Full Driving Licence he would be driving without Insurance

[@mannywilliams6409]

Do they still issue tax "stickers"? Thats the only thing I remember seeing on car widows when I was last in the UK.

[@cgi2002]

​@@mannywilliams6409 not anymore, all digital now. I kindof miss the old tax disc stickers you used to see but it is easier now.

[@dank9561]

@@mannywilliams6409 Tax discs stuck in your window were phased out sometime around 2013 I believe. It's all done digitally now, Police can check if your vehicle tax is up to date by running the registration plate through their ANPR.

[@WhiteDieselShed]

Wife's paper provisional is still valid from the 1980's. Valid until she is 70 the same as my full paper licence.

[@cgi2002]

@@WhiteDieselShed that's surprising, guess she hasn't moved house since then and you were already married at that point (change of name) otherwise it would need to be updated which would change it to a new photocard licence with a 10yr limit. Any licence (full or provisional) issued prior to 98 is valid until the age of 70 unless it has to be renewed/updated due to a change of details. Sounds like the gent in the story had changed his address long ago thus rendering it invalid. Regardless the car had no MOT or insurance so he was boned regardless.

[@repns]

Back in the 70s I lived in a small San Joaquin Valley town. I realized I’d forgotten to renew my driving license. I went to the local DMV office (which was in a small, converted house in the middle of town, and I was the only customer!). I told the clerk I’d forgotten to renew my license. I was prepared to pay a fine or even having to take my driving test over again. Her response: “Oh, that’s okay. We’ll just back date it.” She had to be the kindest DMV employee in the whole state.Back

[@jaykayzed5213]

I remember during the pandemic, all DMVs in New York were closed, and then they were rotating the opening of DMVs within a certain area, once a week. When I had to turn in my lease and pick out a new one, I had to drive to the neighboring county to visit the DMV. I got there crazy early and was first in line. Total visit was less than 10 minutes. BY THE TIME I LEFT, the line was out the door of office, down the hallway of the building, thru the parking lot, and down the street. The next day New York DMV stated that everyone would have a grace period because you now could only go to your specific county's DMV, whenever it was their turn to be open.

[@Hatbox948]

For weeks in S. Carolina you could only go by appointment. Then you had to wait your turn outside. If you had no mask, you were denied entry. It was like that for weeks. Not fun.

[@jilbertb]

Our DMV's closed during Cvid for 9 months. You could get your plate renewals online, plus an extra month cuz they were SO busy. Driver licenses got an extra year to renew. My son couldn't get a license cuz they weren't giving driving tests and when they started back up, you had to make a reservation, which were running a year out.

[@dank9561]

During Covid lockdown the UK government gave drivers a grace period where you could continue driving your vehicle for a couple of months after the MOT expired as all the garages were either closed, fully booked or too far away to drive to without breaking the lockdown travel restrictions. Although the Police could still impound the vehicle if they caught you driving it with an obvious serious defect.

[@sunshine3914]

In Texas, I think they only have one for every county.

[@Hatbox948]

@@jilbertb Oh that sounds so frustrating.

[@Alan-ln3ls]

My original licence was a little red book (I still have it), and it had to be renewed every three years, obtained in person from a local office - mine was Wimbledon - and it was quick and easy. On renewal a new piece of paper was stuck into the book. Then it changed to a printed sheet, folded and kept in a plastic wallet, but still renewed every three years; this was soon superseded by a paper licence that was good until age 70 (some will still be using them); this in turn was replaced by a plastic card with the holder's photo.

[@doughunt9621]

We do not have stickers on our cars in the UK. Cars have to have valid tax status and MOT (essentially a fitness test). You may be provided with a paper MOT certificate but the police will check online to ensure that everything to do with the car is legal. They also have roadside access to the driving (not driver's) licence database as well, if that is necessary.There is no legal requirement to carry your licence or MOT 'certificate' in the UK.

[@briangarrow448]

My mother didn’t get her license until her youngest son graduated from high school and moved out- me. I was the final chauffeur in the household and she needed to have a driver available for her many errands. I had two older brothers who drove her around before the job became mine. She didn’t drive on freeway traffic or major highways. Just putted around our little town.

[@nunyabusiness7477]

Being stopped, questioned, property taken, put before a judge for trying to get from one place to the other just seems more and more dystopian every time I hear about it. How many different applications do we need to make for permission to act? Pay taxes to pay for the roads and get taxed on the purchase of a vehicle to drive on roads you've paid for. Only to get pulled over and fined for not having permission to operate on roads you paid for with a vehicle.... That you paid for.

[@NearlyFullyFree]

But how would it work if everyone didn’t need a driving licence, - or insurance? The reason why we have these is to identify owners/drivers and protect other road users, pedestrians and property owners from injury or damage done to them.

[@nunyabusiness7477]

@NearlyFullyFree Taking personal responsibility. Insurance would definitely be recommended. If you cause damage to someone else's property then you're liable for it. If you have insurance to cover excellent. If you do not have insurance you would still be liable for damages to others person and or property. I'm worried about other people damaging your personal property and not having insurance to cover it? Take out your own uninsured motorist coverage. Then your insurance company can sue them for reimbursement. Otherwise the legal system should then step in to take action just the same way as it would if uninsured were to cost someone property damage the same way as it would in any other situation. Breaking a storefront window for example. It's already against the law whether you break someone's window with a rock or your car.

[@dsolosan]

Steve -- long time Los Angeles resident here (34 years). I had a car when I first moved here, but was able to walk to work every day. When it was stolen 25 years ago, I decided to not replace it. For a while, I rented cars on weekends to get out of my local area. Then I started using public transit and have found that I can get pretty much anywhere in the county with just two or three buses/trains/subways. The main downside is that it takes a lot more time.

[@RJMEL24]

Live in NC. Moved recently from PA. Acquired new NC drivers license with temporary paper until real drivers license was mailed. In and out of NCDMV office in 1/2 hour. Had to go to a separate DMV office to transfer Title. That was even less time. In and out in 20 minutes. Did have to mail my PA license plate back to PADMV on my own dime.

[@Chris-lf9dl]

I have been waiting for a car title to be transferred to my name for the last 2 & 1/2 months. Bought this car from a government. When I called Springfield ,Ill. to check on the status of it, I was put on hold for some good 30 minutes. And when finally someone answered, I was not given any information on a status of the title. I was told instead to contact another department via email. I did as instructed and my email was retuned. ,". Undeliverable". How can I resolve this issue?

[@eddo1983]

I've had my driver's license for 25 years. My temps(learners permit) was a piece of paper. When I passed the drivers test I received my license which was the new plastic style that just replaced the laminated style in Wisconsin

[@kevinshumaker3753]

I can feel his pain. I got my first learners permit 50 years ago this year, and the IN BMV hasn't changed much in those 50 years. I dread going in for ANY reason, and in my local office, if you DON'T have an appointment, it's even worse, as they seem to hate walk ins. Used to have the equivalent of ATMs to get your tags or stickers, but they seem to have gone away, too...

[@colinprice712]

Both my Grandfather and my father got full driving licences without a test - Grandad had a licence before tests were required, my father got a licence just after WW2 when tests were suspended for a period. I’ve still got my provisional licence just after- cost 10s. But now I have a photo card one…

[@halfabee]

My father was given his driving license in Italy during WW2

[@rosewinter8693]

Reminds me of my college aviation maintenance instructor who got in trouble one time for having, I believe, 2000 hours on pilots training learners permit. It takes 40 hours on a permit to get pilot license. This is before sportsman’s class which requires 20 hours for pilot license. Fred Arifuku if his story is true, he had taught at kings River Community College in California.

[@seann.7630]

4:45 Steve your ignoring a 4th possibility..... time travel. Old expired sticker, license from 1975, old car, seems like time travel is the most likely scenario. 😂😂

[@goldenalt3166]

Though he was 60 years old which matches the expiration. So he's traveled alot.

[@seann.7630]

@goldenalt3166 LOL 👍

[@seann.7630]

I forgot the most compelling fact!!! This took place in the UK,..... doctor Who.....???? Absolutely!!!!!! We cracked the case!!!!

[@goldenalt3166]

@@seann.7630 I'm convinced. I always suspected there was a garage door somehow on the box.

[@katharalytefoot]

Provisional licence is a learner permit. It normally lasts up to 2 years (I think) and is intended to allow you to take driving instruction (no in school drivers ed here, just driving instructors) and the tests required to get a full licence. That long ago, it might have been a new thing and maybe the guy thought it was a proper licence? You don't need to prove your licence to MOT a car in the UK. Plates are assigned to the car and stickers (road tax here) is based on the car having an MOT/insurance not the potential driver of the vehicle. You can't get insurance on the car without a valid licence (or lieing) so either someone else insured the car or the guy said he had a licence and never needed the insurance in all those years. Full UK drivers licences expire every 10 years, and at some point each year the news do a story reminding people to look at the expiration dates as you don't get any communication when it expires. Renewal is pretty easy now, mostly or entirely online. Previously you had to send your documents via post. There is no equivilent to the DMV offices here, unless you count the post office which does much of the same services.

[@idristaylor5093]

Ben is upright behind the mike on our left.

[@frederickowen8887]

I never give a thumbs up until I find Ben

[@2cartalkers]

Good eye!

[@timballam3675]

It costs £14 when you apply online. You have to renew photo driving licences every 10 years. Everything is done electronically, no stickers.

[@The_Dudester]

Back in 1991 my PD had an insurance checkpoint going. Old man pulls up in a 1948 Buick. His license had been suspended since 1958 and revoked since 1961. Although I arrested him I didn't cuff him. Drove him to the police station. Tracked down his only relative-a nephew. I didn't put a bail amount on him and I didn't write him any tickets (he was already going to be out hundreds having his car towed). I released him to the nephew.

[@Hatbox948]

Thank you. That was truly a good deed!

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

... Why did you arrest him in the first place?

[@michaelgomez3044]

@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks Because its the law pinhead.

[@Metacomet7]

"Insurance checkpoint"? What kind of fascist s*** is that?!

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

@@michaelgomez3044 ah yes because "its the law" 🤡

[@duncanmarchant4992]

I live in the UK, renewing is very easy. You can do it on line and inperson. Costs less than £15 and takes but a few minutes. Yes a provisional is a learners permit. I learned to drive in the US and still had to take lessons and driving tests when I got my UK licence.

[@AlanRipman]

Thats overkill. This man lived so under the radar and safely that he mind as well nkt have existed to them in more than 50 years 😢

[@mildredpierce4506]

I live in L. A. and trust me. There are a lot of people who don’t have cars. I have seen people walk a long stretch of road and they weren’t walking for exercise. When I didn’t have a car, I caught the bus or I walked.

[@Twinspinner]

Can confirm in Ohio, I lost the title to my truck, walked into the title office with the registration and my ID, got a new title and walked out in 6 minutes.

[@solandri69]

This seems to vary a lot by state. Massachusetts I had to wait in line 10 min to get my license (despite there being 6 people in front of me when I got there). Washington I had to wait about 25 min. But California, dear God. I've averaged a nearly 3 hour wait, with the longest being over 4 hours. (The shortest was about 30 min, but that was because I was at a DMV office which had just reopened after a 1-year renovation shutdown, so most people didn't know it had reopened.) That DMV scene in Zootopia was inspired by California.

[@n-steam]

Driving on a provisional license as if you are a qualified driver is a lot more common in Britain than you would think.

[@BenLeitch]

Ben is standing in front of the Colorado tag. Steve's RHS

[@NearlyFullyFree]

In U.K. we have a provisional licence that we can drive with for any length of time, but must have someone accompanying us that owns a full driving licence . We have option of using P plates to show other drivers we are probationary driver, if we wish. (In Northern Ireland law is slightly different and must use R plates - denoting ‘restricted’, for one year after passing driving test and restricted to 45mph). Our registration plates on front and rear of cars do not need renewed and stay with the cars forever, unless we decide to change them, often to personal plates. We no longer have displayed road tax or MOT (vehicle road worthy test) shown on our windscreen, as it is all on the system. We cannot get our vehicles road tax renewed each year without having proof of insurance and MOT. We do not have to provide our driving licence or insurance to police on road stops, but if requested we can then provide them to our local police station on a later date. We get points put on our driving licence for offences like speeding, not wearing seat belt, or driving with bald tyre, etc. Often 3 points for some lesser offences and if you reach 12 points you lose your licence for at least 6 months normally. A UK licence does 10 years now. A lapsed licence in U.K. for a year or two, is regarded only as a minor offence and generally you only get told to renew it.

[@doubledrats235]

In 1975 I was 15 years old. My dad had taken me driving in upstate NY on vacation but I didn’t qualify for my NY learners permit until 1976.

[@jilbertb]

I sat on my dad's lap and drove at 12. He did the pedals. It was in the middle of Wyoming or Montana, so zero traffic.

[@basara5496]

On the subject of renewal stickers here in the US, Kentucky went from yearly plates to stickers about 40 years ago. However, there was a problem. The stickers, while they had the year number, also had a registration number that was 8-12 alphanumeric characters long, that was only in the state computer system. People would get them attached to their registration renewal. This would cause issues for several reasons... 1. People would sometimes put them on the wrong plate (and more often deliberately than accidentally, as registration based on birth month was also when you paid the vehicle's taxes, so renew the clunker and put the sticker on the year old truck) 2. Dealerships often had stacks of new plates and sheets of stickers (as paying the first year's taxes were part of the purchase and the dealerships acted as the collector for those in the sale) and were often careless on putting the right sticker on the car it was meant for, or even registering that the sticker was used. Even more often, they would use stickers either not issued, or meant for another vehicle, on their own (example, a car comes in by trade with a sticker showing 8-12 months to expiration, is supposed to get a new sticker (with the buyer's birth month) on resale, but some would pocket the new sticker and let the old (invalid after the sale) sticker go back out and use the new one on their own vehicles. As the son of a salesman in the 80s and 90s I often found that "my" car (which dad kept in his name to be able to immediately trade for a "better" car (they never were, and by the time I fixed one out of my own pocket he'd trade it for another clunker)), almost never had legal stickers on them, unless I got the renewal notice and did it myself before he found out (and since the clerk knew who I was, he didn't question my doing it for a car not in my name). 3. This actually led to things like registration stickers commonly being stolen off plates in parking lots, driveways, and junkyards, and break-ins at small used car dealerships where they might steal 1-2 cars, but they'd also steal the plate transfer decals as a sheet could be worth more than a stolen car. As the registration on the sticker was too small to check except during a stop, it encouraged this kind of crime Eventually though, tech caught up and the state changed to monochrome stickers where the registration number matched the plate, that could have the expiration date and plate ID (in larger text than the old sticker's serial number) printed on a blank sticker attached to the registration receipt IN each county clerks' office (and possibly the dealerships; dad passed 12 years ago, before the change), so that it was obvious if the sticker didn't go with the plate it was on. This reduced misuse and almost completely eliminated stickers being stolen off cars.

[@mrw1160]

"Just got through a wormhole in time, Sir"

[@59phonebone]

Came here to say something similar! 😂

[@mrw1160]

@59phonebone well, just got through a wormhole in time so I had to beat ya to it

[@IaIaCthulhuFtagn]

Wow, 75 is 2 years before I was even born.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

I think I got my first driver's license 50 years ago. I also still have my high school ID. Where did that hair go !?

[@bdcochran01]

Santa Monica, Ca was pulling up 7 and 8 year old citations. Advice from the Court - when you get a receipt for payment of the ticket, carry a copy in your car . .. forever. Once, I had a surgery and as required by law, the doctor reported the surgery to the Department of Motor Vehicles. My license was suspended and I never received a notice. When did I learn When I went to have my driver's license renewed. Then had to go to an administrative hearing. Case dismissed with the administrator saying that the DMV routinely didn't tell drivers that a license was suspended. In a world of high tech incompetence, keep you financial statements and copies of payments.

[@bubbajones4522]

This presents the question of Why do we have to renew our licenses? They supposedly exist to certify our ability to safely drive.

[@rj9203]

Actually they are mainly to compare the photo to you as a valid form of ID. Is it actually you and yours.

[@dank9561]

Full UK driving licences typically expire every 10 years to keep your photo on it recent, but it's fairly simple to renew them online. Provisional licences for learners only last a few years. Though there is much discussion about requiring drivers to sit some sort of basic medical & competency check when you renew your licence to check you're still safe to continue driving.

[@Metacomet7]

So the government can extort more money from you.

[@paull6425]

Licence also requires renewal for any change of address or driver-related offences - had to replace mine several times over decades..But no photo renewal within permitted ten year period.

[@tedrice1026]

The real reason they exist is to provide more revenue for the State. Many "licensed drivers" obviously haven't even read the manual, much less passed a driving test.

[@SSGTMarineE6]

Steve I like your replica Michigan liscense plate. When I got my first drivers liscense the family car was 62 Dodge Dart 3 on the tree!!!!!

[@jilbertb]

My state had bicentennial plates the year I got my license. I saved that thing until 2014. The X took it when we divorced. 😢

[@noworriesmate5903]

Anything to do with any government is a pain.

[@dank9561]

Bizzarely by UK government bureaucracy standards the process of renewing drivers licenses, passports and vehicle tax is remarkably painless. When your car tax is about to expire you get a reminder letter through the post (or an e-mail if the DVLA have your e-mail address) with a unique reference number - pop it into a simple online form and you'll be done in a couple of minutes. Driving licence and passport renewals only take a few minutes to do online too - pop your details in, upload your photo and a new one will arrive in the post a couple of weeks later.

[@TheCondoInRedondo]

I'm curious to learn how he could have purchased the Range Rover with a 50-y/o ID.

[@artmallory970]

Might have paid cash or inherited it off his parents

[@kenyattaclay7666]

In 1975 I was 3 and my mom was driving a Pinto. I guess you could say I’m lucky to be here.

[@Richard-f4b4r]

One of the funniest things I've seen in the 70s was a person driving a Pinto that had flames painted from the back going forward! (if you know you know!)

[@tedrice1026]

I went to a Ford dealer looking for a car back at that time. The salesman told me to "buy anything but a Pinto. NEVER buy one of those!"

[@Richard-f4b4r]

@tedrice1026 I remember driving down the freeways in the late 70s early 80s and at least once a week you would see a pinto on fire beside the road. They would also explode when you rear ended them.

[@nancystockwell7829]

My dad bought me a used Pinto, I think it was my second car, 1970s.

[@robertheinkel6225]

Millions were sold and never blew up. Getting rearended at 60 mph with large vehicle will not end well.

[@kens.3729]

Most Motor Vehicle Office Functions in the U.S. can be Completed On-line very Easily. They will Mail License Plates or License Tags and Other Documents. 👍

[@HotRodDad]

Kudos to this guy for sticking it to the man for a near half century! Hope he gets his car back.

[@bmacd2112]

The government really hates it when you cheat them out of all that extortion money!

[@davidw.5185]

Pay your fees or the feudal lords will put you in the Tower.

[@daviemaclean61]

You're right, a provisional license is for when you're learning to drive. Once you've passed you exchange it for a full license, which used to last until you turned 70, but now the photo license only lasts 10 years before they chisel some more money out of you. That said, my wife's grandfather started driving during WW1 in France, and they just gave him a license when he got back. No lessons, no test.

[@gorjlg]

Not sure how it is over there but if you test drive a car, they usually want a copy of your driver's license. Guess they never looked at it. Shocking I know.

[@user-no1cares]

Ben’s still lurking behind the red Viper.

[@Bobs-Wrigles5555]

And another one bites the dust...(just after Idris) Mornin' Bill

[@user-no1cares]

@@Bobs-Wrigles5555 I heard the Comment Door Guard was bragging to his friends at MOT about it. G’nite Bob.

[@Bobs-Wrigles5555]

@@user-no1cares Let's see if it fails twice, see next comment...

[@Bobs-Wrigles5555]

@@user-no1cares It should be there now...?

[@jeremyortiz2927]

While I was in the Air Force, I was able to get my Ohio driver's license expired up to 16 years (20 past the date of issue). I was renewal exempt as long as I presented my valid military ID. I retired shortly before the law was rescinded (OH was 1 of the 2 states that still allowed it), so I got my Nevada license a few day prior to final out. Definitely fun while it lasted.

[@andycivil]

The real issue is not how old it was, but the fact that it was 'provisional'. That means he didn't ever pass a driving test. That's dangerous, whereas failing to pay a renewal fee every few years is just an administrative technicality. The old pink licences that didn't have photos were valid until you turned 70 anyway, so they could be valid for 50 years if you were under 20 when you got it.

[@Metacomet7]

So "dangerous" nothing ever happened in 50 years.🙄

[@ERDoc741]

@@Metacomet7Right!?😂

[@tedrice1026]

Well, if he managed to drive for 49 years without an accident or ticket, he obviously didn't NEED a driving test!

[@NearlyFullyFree]

I drove legally for first few years driving using just a provisional licence and tbh wasn’t a much better driver once I finally did my driving test. Although not saying that proper driving instruction isn’t advisable. In U.K. we have advanced driving tests, done through IAM (institute of advanced motorists), which is a voluntary choice and I think something worth doing to make people more road aware, becoming safer and more courteous to other road users and easier on your vehicle mechanically and fuel, plus can lower your car insurance being a member. Something I should do as always need to improve on driving

[@treadingtheboards2875]

I live in Australia, I'm 80. For car registration and my driver's license renewal, I get an email, go on line to my bank and pay the fee for both or either. We do not have registration labels on the car, they were dropped on Jan 1 - 2014, but we do have a new license sent through the mail a few days after paying it. Your registration is verified through the car number plate which you have for the life of the vehicle. The only time I get pulled over is for a breathalyzer test, but then, so was everyone else at the time. When my son first got his license, he would go out of his way to find a breathalyzer set up.

[@ezone913]

If you have your papers in order, your DMV visit is painless.

[@ReasonableGuy-l7o]

And occasionally entertaining too.

[@freethebirds3578]

Depends on where you are. I grew up in Maryland. You knew that you were going to be at the DMV for hours. Other places I've lived also took a long time. I was shocked the first time I went to the MVD in Indiana. Employees were visible and vocal about getting people in and out quickly.

[@azrobbins01]

Back in my hometown, there would be a line wrapping all the way around the building when I would pass it every day on the way to work. Every visit I would make there would take 2-3 hours in line. In this case it was just severely understaffed for the population.

[@tedrice1026]

@@ReasonableGuy-l7o I was standing in line at the DMV in the 1970's. The man in front of me was trying to register a forklift. They used the same registration form as cars. The clerk kept telling him he had to put in "body style". He kept insisting it didn't have a body. After 10 or 15 minutes I pulled him aside and said "just write in convertible, they won't know the difference" So he did and I got the line moving!

[@Chris-lf9dl]

Yes, but depending on where you live and how is that department being ran.

[@techdiyer5290]

@Steve Lehto just curious, but i know they suction off your car, but how far could someone go to up the bids on the car so it never sells ??

[@techdiyer5290]

And then try to reclaim it ?

[@karenstein8261]

50 years? Wow. Give Gramps a break. Bad cop, no donut.

[@mdshovel]

No Licence, no insurance

[@sparkygump]

The exact same thing would happen here. Bad Karen, no bon bon.

[@dennisclapp7527]

Thanks Steve

[@59phonebone]

Neither of my two grandmothers, both of whom lived until the 1980s, ever had driver’s licenses and never learned to drive. It was a different time. 🙂

[@Julia-b7f1c]

1975! That's two years before I got my first licence. That was a provisional yep it is for you to get lessons and pass your test. Got mine so I could get on a RAC/ACU motorcycle course for practical and classroom These types of course are mandatory now but were optional in those days. I finally got my car licence in 1984. Had to give driving up when I got a spinal injury from a botched surgery. 😢🇬🇧

[@rebelrrp]

Getting a CDL in the USA has gotten worse! George Bush and Barack Obama had a competition to see who could make life the worst for truck drivers. It ended up being a draw. Getting your license now is an exhausting process and they are constantly coming up with administrative reasons to take it away.

[@davidrucker1000]

Steve, I live overseas and am over 75. Tried to renew my Florida driver's license on line. Need to physically show up to take some tests. Told expired license good for one year. Wanted to facilitate commercial air travel as erroneously told USA passport not valid proof of identity.

[@Bobs-Wrigles5555]

Comment 2, Ben hiding behind mic #1, Steve's RHS

[@user-no1cares]

😕

[@Bobs-Wrigles5555]

@@user-no1cares I assume you did not get to see the original I copy and pasted to your comment.

[@user-no1cares]

@@Bobs-Wrigles5555 Nope. Not there. YT Door guard again.

[@Bobs-Wrigles5555]

@@user-no1cares Maybe he didn't like my reference to Ben being (oversize, 3 letters)😉

[@davidmahan4160]

Hi Steve, a provisional licence is simlar to learners permit. You need to renew your licence if you change address or every 10 years with a new photo, every 3years if over age 70. Lancashire is a county, is both a town and a county of some 1,100 square miles. North West England. We don't have tags any more its all on computer, licence details and insurance details, and the police traffic cars are equipped with ANPR cameras, it flashes up and sounds an alarm in the police car. It costs £21:50 $26:71 to renew in a post office with a camera. You can also do it online, it costs £14 or $17.39 to renew a photo id. It gets sent off to the DVLA and takes up to 3 weeks to get your new licence, the post office will give you a letter indicating that you have applied for a new licence, in case the police stop you, before the new licence arrives.

[@Mereel401]

In Germany your drivers license can't expire.

[@roseblite6449]

This reminds me of my grandmother on my father's side. She had been driving since a young lady in the late 1940's, her husband's car which was registered to him, and finally got her license in the mid 1980's when she was 65 yrs old in Las Vegas NV. So yeah she had to drive, as big as that city was even back then. When she went to the DMV they were shocked that she was getting her first license after so many decades of her being alive. It was a different time back then and you really didn't need an ID for most things. Still, she had no problem with driving without a Driver's License, and never got pulled over once.

[@idristaylor5093]

Until they became photo licences a licence lasted unless there were any changes needed.

[@alanm2842]

ours's had to be renewed every 4 years

[@WhiteDieselShed]

Or until you reached 70. My full licence (paper) and my wife's paper provisional both issued in the 80's are still valid.

[@idristaylor5093]

@@WhiteDieselShed Good point. I forgot about that. 😀

[@goetzliedtke]

I still have my military driver license that I got in 1977. I had to drive the truck with food from Mitchell Hall to the basic cadets training out in the field. Amazingly, I was certified for everything from a 1/4 ton to a 5 ton.

[@i.b.bangin1953]

Looks like the Magna Carta! Ha!!!

[@navajojohn9448]

Rapper actor Ice Tea got pulled over in New Joisey driving a car with a 3 year old expired registration for a missing front license plate and an expired license. Brainiac Tea argued with the cop he was on his way to the DMV. He also said he had 7 cars but didn't say if they were expired too. He got 4 tickets.

[@jilbertb]

I'm surprised tho, he didn't pull the "Don't you know who I am?!" card. 👍

[@HarryOld972]

In the UK the police have a central database that they check your licence against at the roadside, ditto they check the insurance, the MOT (annual car roadworthiness check) and car tax. They let you drive on and it's just a fine for tax, if any of the other three are wrong, you can't drive on, they impound the vehicle and you have to pay to get it back. You don't pay in 2 weeks it gets crushed, or possibly sold. If the driver doesn't have a licence but someone else in the car with insurance to drive it does, they can drive on. Their cars sit with the ANPR (Automatic number plate recognition) system quietly clocking index plates and auto checking them against databases: no one with a licence at the address where the car is kept, car not insured, no MOT, no tax on the car, they get a flag and they stop you. And we still have 1000s of uninsured cars on our roads.

[@RT-qd8yl]

Goddamn that sounds frightening

[@johanw9513]

Isn’t the insurance in UK linked to the driver, instead of the car? I think I saw something of that sort in one of the police series (Interceptors, I think) on TV while flipping channels. The ANPR system is in place in Norway as well

[@HarryOld972]

@@johanw9513 In the UK insurance is always for the car and a list of named drivers. Policyholder and spouse is a usual pair. You can also get 'any driver' policies, but they are very expensive these days.

[@christopherhartley6900]

Renewing your license is really easy in the UK. You can get a form from the Post Office, fill it in and drop it off there or you can mail it in, or you can renew online.

[@JudgeCrater22]

Very mean to punish this guy for being a procrastinator.

[@tysonm2525]

😂I love this comment

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

How could he possibly be insured without a valid license? You're making a joke I get that, but as someone who has been hit by a jackass without insurance could you not? Please?

[@jamessimms415]

‘License? License? I Don’t Need No Stinking License!!’ Ben standing up behind the first microphone from the left; top shelf.

[@ChakatNightspark]

A Provisional License is basically a Learners Permit with bit less restrictions on it. With a Learners Permit you can't drive after Night Time or certain Hour, Can't drive a certain distance away. Not allowed to Cross State Lines, No Passengers. With a Provisional License it gives bit less Restrictions, Allows you to Drive at Night and or Drive a Certain Distance, Able to drive State lines, ability to have passengers.

[@StevenLockey]

Thats not what a UK provisional license is. In the UK a provisional license only allows you to drive with an instructor/certified driver in the car. Also you aren't allowed on motorways.

[@TinWhisker]

Motorways have been allowed since 2018. Also 'certified driver' makes it sound like they are certified like an instructor; all you need is a qualified driver (someone who holds a valid license) for at least 3 years.

[@mdshovel]

In UK, "Learner's Permit" is far more restricted ... cannot drive unsupervised anywhere at any time

[@StevenLockey]

@TinWhisker Oh didn't know they allowed motorways now. Couldn't think of a better word than certified but I think there are a few extra conditions.

[@evilgrayson]

A Provisional license is a learner's permit, yes. Once you upgrade to a full license, that's yours until you get elderly and they want to check you're still fit to drive, barring medical or legal stuff. Lancashire is a county in the northwest, with some towns and deeply rural areas. Whether you needed a car or not would depend entirely on where exactly you lived - but if you're on a farm or in a small village, a car isn't optional. And as for tags, we don't do them like you do. A car is registered with the appropriate agency when it's first sold, and those tags stay with it forever unless someone gets fancy and registers personalised ones instead, for what's often a small fortune. It's the MOT (government safety inspection every 12 months after the first 3 years of its life) that regulate things; you can't get insurance without an MOT after those first three years, and you have to have both for it to be road-legal.