2017 Kia Stinger vs Holden Commodore SS-V Redline Comparison | Drive.com.au

Can Kia's hyped up performance hero knock off a local legend?

[@sydryan9589]

You lost your credibility with this review mate.

[@charlesdesmondnitrile8208]

The Stinger is not 'replacing' the Commodore V8, it is 'replacing' the BMW 5 series. How many people complain that the BMW 5 series 'does not sound loud enough'?

[@dpgemail]

You see BMW's on the side of the road broken down and some on fire 😂

[@gpierre90]

I really love ❤️ 😍 Holden VE and VF Commodore in SS and SSV trims of course, I have been in my cousin's VF SSV Redline and I loved it, the V8 noise and I'm not even Australian, we don't have these where I'm from and it's a real shame that Holden no longer makes these Beautiful works of art anymore, in fact I was sad when I heard this news. 😢

[@abmbarry]

Why did you put the base stinger up against the best of Holden? Stinger GT should have been your choice? ... Unless of course you wanted to give the Commodore the best advantage. ......... On a level playing field, the Stinger GT beat the Commodore in: Standing 1/4 mile, 0 - 100 and stop and slalom. By the way, I really like Commodores, But a fact is a fact! Another fact is, ... USA GM sadly is deserting very loyal customers. I certainly won't be buying a USA built car; compared to Australian development and build quality, .... they are junk!

[@Neo.555]

Barry Manclark he drives a 2.0 but says it's 3.3!

[@dpgemail]

Um there are more top end commodores mate. The stinger would be eaten alive. SSV is just an SS with extra options.

[@ssv6414]

See how they perform at 100k if kia makes it that long

[@tonyh68]

What a crap review, 3/10. We learnt from this that if you want noise, buy the Commodore.

[@bigozimak]

A bit biased, but anyway farewell to the Aussie muscle car. You will be missed. Surprisingly, KIA has provided a reasonably priced alternative and it looks OK. BTW the performance figures were a lot quicker in other reviews.

[@dpgemail]

It's just a true review it's not biased at all mate. Commodore was designed by an Aussie so it suits us better than the stinger.

[@zbudda]

Kia gets the Hyundai after market service and 5 year warrantee. Holden will give you the phone number to the Peugeot parent company of Opel and Vauxall.

[@BL0HARD]

My next door neighbour owns a Kia Stinger and he shits his pants every time I start the SS Commodore up and drive down the street.

[@jamesfrancis24]

shitty review, they based a mid Kia angains a top Holden, hardly fair.

[@ut2k4wikichici]

rip holden fuck having traction control on the stinger u cant fully turn off, i reckon tuners will get alot more out of the stinger than the factory spec

[@metfan923]

Actually, according to www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/the-kia-stinger-casts-a-big-shadow-on-the-competition-ar175638.html and kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoS6goehl7mMf7M If you hold the TSC button and turn it off, it really is OFF

[@alexsmba]

I have driven the Stinger GT, you can turn the traction control and the stability control off by holding it in. Having said that, I can also do it on my wife’s Sorento, but it still wants to stop me from doing donuts in the snow.

[@DinoSaurChicknNugget]

roasts the Stinger, boasts the Commodore 🙄

[@brinosacheryl4348]

0-100 in 4.8 in other reviews but this guy is 6s in the stinger ... it seems that he does not really know how to handle the KIA stinger in the road... or just a biased review!

[@brinosacheryl4348]

Oh mate, you are out of context. We are talking about "struggling with the turbo power delivery" with the KIA Stinger. Did Randy Pobst or others are "struggling with the turbo power delivery"? If you cannot confirm to other reviewers that statement then that is totally bullshit biased and fabricated opinion ... ha ha.

[@brinosacheryl4348]

According to your statement ..." ANYTHING turbocharged can be a nightmare to put power down. It is absolutely a struggle when they climb up on boost and just want to turn the tyres." So not only KIA experiencing this problem with the turbo charge... but also other brand too. Ha ha... mate, you pointed out this in your first post... implying that KIA stinger has this kind of problem ... where other brand or people was also experiencing with the turbo charge problem. OMG!

[@kwesto03]

I have driven and owned Turbo 6s. I have also driven and owned 2 V8 Commodores. Im not one of these guys that is either Ford or Holden. If I drive them and like them thats all that matters. So I know how to drive both. Last weekend I decided to drive the Stinger. Well what can I say, I was happily surprised, not only was it very fast (V8 beating) but it was also a great car to drive. It was involving and seriously just a dead set great car to be in. Build quality was easily on par with a VFII, and I know some people are undecided but it looks great too. For all the nae sayers, all I can say is drive it.

[@abmbarry]

One of his 30 big macs got stuck under the accelerator!

[@beau-joelhighgate9923]

I just watched this Holden get absolutely smashed in a drag race vs the stinger gt. This guy is just a holden Bogan.

[@zaneolsen564]

@ 6:11 you are advertising the Falcon XR8 Sprint's torque figure. Try 570Nm @ 4400rpm for the commodore. You had 1 job

[@dpgemail]

Are you sure mate. The v8 commodore is always better than the Ford v8 besides the GT 351 days.

[@danielc771]

DRIVERS BIAS BIAS BIAS, could not be more evident here haha

[@NRPatten]

Ok so i watched the US review of both the cars and its up to you, this would be as non-bias as you can get? Same Track not sure of weather. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5OvqJilpMpml68 2016 SS Track Time 1:27.24 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoS6goehl7mMf7M 2018 Stinger GT Track Time 1:28.90

[@thatebutuoyguy788]

lol more down votes than upvotes. butt hurt kia fanboys? I drive a kia btw. looking to trade up for the stinger.

[@mypeakxv]

So far this is the most negative review of the Stinger by someone who clearly is a tad biased.

[@dpgemail]

Your feeling are hurt mate lmao 😂 😂 😂

[@dpgemail]

Other reviews are the same.

[@vividkeenness]

Never seen such a biased review like this. Review should be done fairly and competitively in professional manner without mentioning too much personal attachment. I guess Holden paid this reviewer lot of money. It is obvious if Stinger is not a joke for Holden

[@dpgemail]

Your feeling are hurt mate, here have a tissue for your issue.

[@aussieinkorea593]

Bias much?

[@GregH999]

Agree with others... review is a tad biased and doesn't match performance tests of other reviewers...

[@dpgemail]

Other reviews are out there and they spell it out the same.

[@sebastianluzuriaga9735]

This guy just said the Commodore drives better than a BMW and that the Stinger is in the middle???? Nonsense how can you say that! Also the Kia is tuned by the same ex chief engineer from BMW. This review is so unfair for the Stinger. The Holden fanboy did a terrible job

[@chitterlingsrtasty]

The commodore was also designed by ex BMW engineers. So what?

[@iantay8189]

Thanks Fairfax for letting us know who spends more advertising dollars

[@germaineio]

He literally said a linear power delivery was bad and not "performance"... Seriously?

[@iunlock4261]

I know right? Total idiot. Too much donuts killing off those brain cells.

[@marcolucchini8173]

@David R it delivers 510Nm from 1300Rpm all the way to 5700Rpm. Linear is good when you have so much of it down low in the rev range, that's the beauty of it, no need to wait for the revs to build up.

[@marcolucchini8173]

@David R Then again, you don't need to get up too high in the rev range. Make the torque do all the work. For your comment about 510Nm at 1300, that is a measured unit at 1300rpm and yes at wot. But like you said, about spooling, in this case I disagree. At 1300 revs, it makes & is measured at 510nm, and the Nagasaki noisy boys must be spooling at that RPM to deliver 510nm. The turbos on the Stinger are tiny, I would estimate them to be smaller than 100mm in diameter ( at a guess ). I own a Stinger and a 430whp R33 GTR. The GTR turbos are massive compared to the stinger. Also the GTR needs at least 4500rpm before anything happens, and then all hell breaks loose. It's all about making the car streetable and what RPM is used with daily driving. I was that impressed with the Stinger test drive that I bought one.

[@marcolucchini8173]

@David R as a comparison with my GTR, the Stinger was much easier to drive powering through the twisty hilly road of Macquarie Pass. It was just effortless. The GTR really needed to be kept high in the rev range where as I found with the Stinger it really didn't make much difference even being in the wrong gear, it just powered through. One thing that's really scary with the Stinger, is that it's so quiet that speed creeps up on you without realising it. I would of thought that your XR6 with that torque would have been awesome to drive. i just wish my GTR had more torque for those nasty hill starts.

[@marcolucchini8173]

@David R regarding the number of gears, I cannot remember where I read it, but some auto engineer said that 9 gears would be the absolute max number of gears. probably because ratios are getting too close and the added mass doesn't pay off. I hope you find your ideal drive. The other reason why we ended up with the Stinger is the wife is able to drive it without it being too stupidly overpowered and streetable. Enjoy.

[@shaoraymond8207]

i am wondering how much HOLDEN paid for this advertisement. One of the worst and counter informative car review.

[@MrThejoff]

The stinger look better but sounds bland the Commodore is the opposite ugly buts sounds really special

[@dpgemail]

Ugly car yuk and no room for Aussie ppl unless your small.

[@kwesto03]

Wow, just how biased to the Holden is this guy! Not really sure how they managed to make the Kia so slow to 100kmh. Were they using the 2.0 4? I have had 2 V8 Commodores now and loved them. Yet on the weekend past I took the Kia Stinger GT for a test drive. To say that I was impressed was an understatement. Not only was it comfier to sit in, it felt smoother on the road and faster. The quality of the interior was considerable better than I had imagined it would be and it was just a really nice place to sit. Bottom line, deposit paid. The Commodore was a great car but it has been bettered. Easily the worst reviewer ever! He clearly has no idea what he is talking about. Comparing the SSV to a BMW, seriously? Sorry buddy but you had better look for a new job, you know, a place where you actually know what you are talking about because you are out of your depth here.

[@kwesto03]

Gray Fullbuster mate, have a look at the actual footage of the 2 of them doing the quarter mile. The Kia is half a second quicker. Like I said mate, I love Commodores and it sucks that they are now gone, in fact it's bullshit that they are gone, but the Kia is a better car. Trust me I was very surprised.

[@dpgemail]

Dude the commodore was 4 seconds quicker at Winton. Just imagine what some boost would do to the commodore too 😉 also other review spell out the same. You are a advertising troll to help sell the stinger.

[@jcc184]

Very biased review...What did I just watch? Total rubbish! You should compare Stinger GT with SSV. I wonder how much Holden is paying you to do this.

[@mattmatt115]

really? the power feels linear? And that's bad? I test drove one this afternoon and it blew my socks off. how much did you get paid to make this slanted reivew? Character? LOL!!!!!! The KIA has Character. You like the grumbling V8? Well a quick tune and that Stinger will be putting 500+ HP to the ground easily. Maybe the Aussie Stinger is different from the North American version, but i didnt feel any problem at all with gear hunting.

[@Leefryyinc]

He got paid in cartons of vb and a box of winnie blues.

[@pokeharu_0352]

How about comparing the GT against the ssv next time... The rims are quite distinct between the gt and the 2L.

[@dpgemail]

How about the W1 against the GT 😉 😂

[@yornickersarwet6963]

Well for one they aren't priced the same, so there's that.

[@wipout1]

yet to hear any review from an Aussie where the asian/american/european car gets a better rap than the holden/ford. drop in an after market exhaust, add some boost and im sure this thing would end up shitting on holden/ford quarter mile times

[@dpgemail]

Bit do a few mods on the v8 and boom. Throw a turbo or supercharger on also.

[@hameedkhan4510]

Clearly veru biased.

[@dpgemail]

Clearly the commodore is better mate

[@tangelsturner7913]

Is the stinger the most hyped car for 2017 it is easily the new ford GT

[@haydendavis3063]

Pretty darn good first attempt at making a performance car, Kia. To be competitive with a highly established muscle car made in Aussieland, is quite a big thing to achieve. Holden sounds better, but Kia (in my opinion) is better in every other way...from personal experience, not just videos on the internet.

[@dpgemail]

That's just your opinion. The commodore is better mate. Did you not listen to the review. Few mods on the commodore and it will be at 500horses and no turbos.

[@dpgemail]

You don't drive cars to review them and you are an amateur. Stinger looks crap. I've had better looking shits

[@dpgemail]

German designed. Not hard to make cars either.

[@yornickersarwet6963]

The commodore is trash. A fuel guzzling V8 that gets smoked on the quarter mile by an Asian car. So much so you're already talking about mods. How sad

[@JoRia-l4n]

I don't think this is a fair comparison tbh. Stinger with a 3.3L Turbo V6 and Commodore with a 6.2L V8. If you were to compare the stinger with a SV6 it would have been better and Stinger would beat it. But an SSV Redline V8, come on that aint fair for the Stinger.

[@tims4201]

Totally useless comparison vid. Comparing the 2.0lt 4cylinder to the holden v8 is a joke. Why didnt you guys use the 3.3lt twin turbo? The 2.0 lt realistically should have been compared to a v6.

[@hatemc2617]

Kia replaced the exhaust in updated versions sounds better but still not a v8. Gt stinger is far away much better car for sure but Holden is not as refined Kia feels lot more expensive.

[@brazzr]

I own a ssv redline and i've driven my bosses kia stinger. The only complaint i have about the stinger is that it has a weak top end but otherwise it's an absolutely awesome car and would recommend to anyone

[@dpgemail]

Looks like trash and its Asian. Commodore for the win, fit 3 adults in the back easier and a new cam and intake and boom close to 500 horses with no turbos.

[@yornickersarwet6963]

It would hurt getting a commodore to overcompensate and getting beat in a drag by an "ugly asian" car. So much so that you have to upgrade it with a cam and intake to beat it lmao. There's a reason they don't make dunnydores anymore

[@brazzr]

@@yornickersarwet6963 They already discontinued the Kia Stinger.

[@yornickersarwet6963]

To pursue the EV route

[@ssv6414]

Kia still going ?

[@t8polestarcyan22]

Too bad the new ZB Commodore is actually a Vauxhall/Opel Insignia which is front wheel drive or AWD without V8 engines. I guess people will make a switch to a Kia Stinger until Holden brings back a real rear drive Commodore.

[@dpgemail]

More zb's than stingers mate.

[@haloaum]

Caradvice has Kia better accelerating car than commodore.... easier to launch as it’s got launch control, better braking and better slalom .... better handling. .... and unlike this article from drive, they have videos of this tests.... I think this test by drive is biased towards the Holden ... you can tell by the language used by the tester.

[@chitterlingsrtasty]

I wouldn’t use launch control in day to day driving

[@dpgemail]

Nawww someone's feeling are hurt. Boost the commodore like the stinger and see what happens lmao 😂

[@sakswerd]

He's not testing the GT. It's the 2.0turbo. Look at the rear and lack of gt badge as well as the headlights. He's comparing a base stinger to an ssv???

[@coopsnz1]

The 45k

[@Studat]

It's not the 2.0 litre

[@sourwords1808]

I don't like the Commodore or the Stinger but this sure was a very biased towards Holden. Kia is clearly a better car holden ever was in its 50 year history. But they have sponsored you lot well. Good job for idiots to believe.

[@dpgemail]

Bahahahaha your comment is a joke. Do you review cars for a living??????

[@areebharb9739]

Yea the fuckin The commodore

[@RichCurtisDJ]

No mention of fuel economy differences or the fact a V8 costs way more to register and insure

[@dpgemail]

Have you tried registering a performance car with a v6 and twin turbos? Could not be much difference as they are both high end performance cars.

[@RichCurtisDJ]

@@dpgemail in Queensland Australia there is definitely a difference

[@dpgemail]

@@RichCurtisDJ you would think if it's quicker it should have the same rego charge. Who are the idiots in charge?

[@brentratcliffe879]

As a former Holden Commodore owner, I can’t believe the shit talking people are making out of thin air about the SSV being quicker than the Kia Stinger GT 😂 The Stinger shits on the SSV in performance, 100km, 1/4 mile or whatever, the Kia Stinger is literally just a better all around car. Not subjective but just facts. People can have there preference but facts are facts. Stop being delusional and ‘loyal’ to Holden when the company shitted on Australia and left us in the dust anyway.

[@garyrielly1955]

Brent Ratcliffe, you really want to get your facts right, as it was GM US that canned Holden, as GM have also shut down some of it’s other manufacturers across the world. GM US went bankrupt and the US government helped them out so GM had to trim some of it’s fat so to speak. Holden were just merely following orders from it’s parent company GM.

[@BL0HARD]

The Commodore will be a classic forever, the Stinger will be a Korean shitbox for a while then disappear into obscurity.

[@williamirwin2022]

I'll give it to the stinger for being faster but it lacks the character of the ss. The commie will also hold its value a lot better

[@coopsnz1]

ssv don't hold value . 7 years its under 20k

[@williamirwin2022]

Ben Chesterman since it’s the end of the commodore, in 10 years a VF series 2 will most likely cost over $25k and you will be able to pick up a 10 year old Kia for under 15, both easily over 100,000kms. Just my opinion

[@coopsnz1]

Wrong kia gt will lose 45% of its value 5 years . 30k 5 years . Where you getting 15k from . This will be on par with liberty gtb resale I think

[@williamirwin2022]

Ben Chesterman There is no way to predict the depreciation of a brand new model. I based the $15k on the fact that this is Kia’s first performance car, who knows how many things will go wrong, and owning a Kia is nothing to boast about yet until they make a name for themselves in the performance car market.

[@dpgemail]

It's not faster on a track. 4 seconds slower.

[@Drifty325i]

I'm a kiwi and a euro car guy but the last of the commies and fords are so so good. Such a sad day. The Kia is cool, awesome tech and still loads of fun but does not give me the same buzz. And no I don't like the current crop of BMWs and Audis, to much tech. The Americans are making some of my most wanted cars now, the GT350R, Camaro ZL1 LT1, Viper etc and of course Lotus.....they are the ultimate raw drivers cars in my opinion

[@coopsnz1]

Old Pac

[@SimmoxKiller]

wow im australian, and that is one of the most biased reviews ive ever seen

[@dpgemail]

Spot on review mate get over it the commodore is better

[@yornickersarwet6963]

There's a reason the dunnydore is dead. Bogan shitbox

[@Zippy_x-un9vw]

Personally no matter how good the Kia is I will never get past the looks I hate the exterior the rear end particularly

[@dpgemail]

Dog ugly

[@t8polestarcyan22]

ZB Commodore or shall I say Vauxhall (or Opel) Insignia will replace the rear drive VF Commodore. Oh dear! Looks like rear drive Commodore fans may have to consider a Kia Stinger. Even a 4 cylinder turbo base model is no slouch!

[@dpgemail]

We will keep our cars as they are better.

[@BL0HARD]

10/10 bloody good review

[@caradvice]

Thanks!

[@chitterlingsrtasty]

Wow so many down votes. Everything he said about the the Holden is spot on.

[@dpgemail]

Stinger lovers noses bent out of joint that's all

[@ahhsoulcybcyborg8465]

The Kia Stinger is beautifully shaped , more technology , faster from 0-100klmh , more safety features , interior is superior , a real head turner/ love it. The SS is a ordinary looking sedan , interior is prehistoric with a punchy noise when throttling it only , this dude needs to go back to Specsavers ....very biased ) :

[@dpgemail]

Bahahahaha it's funny coz your feelings are hurt. Go get a tissue for your issue. The review a is good, it's his job.

[@pontiacssholden2032]

kia garbage,ss way cooler car and will go up in value ,off to scrap heap for stinger

[@chris-ph9xj]

haha 132 butt hurt stinger lovers didn't like this. sorry kia fan boys, the commodore is just better. good review mate.

[@ahhsoulcybcyborg8465]

"v8 better"......the outdated , featureless commodore , just got stung , big time , end of story ( :

[@rcalltypes8230]

Twin turbo 3.3lt V6 in the Stinger. How fast would the SS 6.2lt V8 be with twin turbos! I wouldn't want to own the Stinger after the warranty is over & the turbos have over 100,000klms on them.

[@yornickersarwet6963]

Well if you're going to turbo the SSV, then you might ad well add 2 more cylinders and 3.0l to the stinger while you're at it

[@demonhays7120]

kia's fastest car vs holdens not fastest car. why not match it up against the gts thats holdens fastest, not hand pick something it can beat lame review.

[@yornickersarwet6963]

Because they're comparing what you get for your money?

[@Studat]

Drove them both myself, purchased the SSV 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@marcolucchini8173]

So did I, I purchased the Stinger. It's the better car in every aspect.

[@Studat]

@@marcolucchini8173 nah its not but we buy what we like. No stingers in the world will ever have the V8 sound😊

[@marcolucchini8173]

@@Studat yes, but sound is not a substitute for performance.www.caradvice.com.au/videos/2018-kia-stinger-330si-v-holden-commodore-ss-v-redline-comparison/

[@Studat]

@@marcolucchini8173 i couldn't care less about the performance, they are both fast enough but the stinger sounds shit.

[@marcolucchini8173]

@@Studat They do, but nothing an exhaust can't fix. But when you say shit, I can't even hear mine, and I suppose that's the GT theme. QUIETNESS. Sometimes at the lights it sounds like it's not running at all.

[@smashlee6181]

he's not being biased he is being honest

[@edkelly145]

Nice comparison.Great job.

[@williamirwin2022]

Don’t buy the Kia if you want a secure investment, who would want a used Kia It will play up like a second hand Daihatsu.

[@ntsmith715]

The stinger is just a camry with big hubcaps and an exhaust

[@yornickersarwet6963]

Must hurt getting beat in a drag by a carry with hubcaps

[@putonewhiskey]

Wow talk about being on the Holden payroll

[@dpgemail]

4 seconds quicker at Winton race. Go the aussie commodore yeeeew