Quickest American Car Ever: Demon 170 vs Lucid Sapphire VHT & Asphalt - Cammisa Ultimate Drag Race

[@Hagerty]

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[@c.a.j]

44s ago is crazy

[@someonecalledeulogio2280]

An awd challenger demon would beat the lucid?

[@S8ER]

@@someonecalledeulogio2280 not without significantly more power. You have additional drivetrain loss with AWD and the Demon is already the underdog in the power department.

[@RunEmDownTony]

Yup I said that when Dodge first ran the 170 in public. No one is gonna be able to get that time that Dodge got in a 170. It's gonna take 170 attempts to do so. 😅

[@Dennis-ff2pf]

Already watched demonology spank a plaid .

[@EngineeringExplained]

To my knowledge, this is the only proper third-party test of the Dodge Demon on a drag strip - hat's off Jason & co for making this happen!! Also, makes the 8.9s Dodge claim *really* hard to believe. RWD is hard!

[@BrianBeckman]

I think the question now becomes: Is a Lucid Air Sapphire towing a Dodge Demon faster in the quarter mile than a Dodge Demon?

[@kkellywv]

Dodge's 8.9 claim was with a single seat spec car, which the one in this video wasn't, and with MUCH better density altitude and track prep. You know as well as anyone that DA can make or break an ICE car and not all "track prep" is equal. You could tell it still wasn't hooking by the in-car shots showing intense wheel hop and it wasn't pulling the wheels up anywhere near as high or as far as what a lot of the other ones do. I've seen stock ones almost trip the 60ft timers with the back tires. It takes very low DA and excellent track prep on the factory tires or going up a size in the rear to get a D170 to dead hook. There are privately owned stock D170s running in the 8.8-9.2 range either on the factory rubber or with a wheel/tire swap. With all that said, Tom Bailey is a phenomenal driver and the Lucid is an incredible car, no doubt about either of those.

[@upshifter5316]

@@kkellywv ^^ This. It's all about the DA, which doesn't give any advantage to an EV. I've not found where/what track the 8.91 time was set, but I guarantee it wasn't California in the summer. More likely Detroit in the fall.

[@Absuurd_Hooman]

they post 8,9 because they excluded the rollout time. and RWD with less horsepower and torque will always lose to AWD with more horsepower and instant torque.

[@kkellywv]

@@upshifter5316 I have a picture of the actual slip. It was South Georgia Motorsports Park December 2nd 2022 at 10:12am. 1.24 60ft, 8.912 @ 151.17. They did a LOT of testing over a long time at multiple locations and that particular day at SGMP yielded the published run.

[@danieltanuwijaya7675]

The 170 in its name refers to how many runs needed to achieve the advertised 8.9 second 1/4 mile time

[@DonLee1980]

way way more than 170

[@PeterJ-gw1to]

They call it the Demon because it can only perforrm these numbers in your dreams.

[@G82Watts]

Might wanna watch demonology. He gets those times, all the time. U people clearly dont know what a driver mod is. He beat the plaid 3 out of 3 times. Yet this guy best time was a 10.1 😂😂 yea OK.

[@rykehuss3435]

Not a single street legal Demon 170 exists that does under 9 seconds quarter mile. That is simply not possible on street legal tires, not that the Demon would do it with pre-heated drag tires on superglued tarmac either. I doubt it If you want sub 9 seconds 1/4 mile times on street legal tires you need a rocket engine.

[@Pk1998AMG]

​@@G82Wattsyall always come with these bullshit excuses 😂 the man driving in this video is a professional drag racer as well. Dodges suck at launching, and they're especially worthless on a non prepped surface. The fact still remains that anyone can get a lucid to run 9.0, you need a favor from the gods to get your demon to do it, though.

[@ArsalanKhan-ty9vq]

Screw the cars, who edited this masterpiece. The production on this video is incredible. 👍👍👍

[@JosephThompson84]

Lots of their vids are like this. I love it too, It's kinda what got me hooked a while back.

[@darrellbarnes2096]

Facts

[@Polo22546]

SERIOUSLY!!!!

[@HloniEhElevenMolefe]

Every time y'all drop a video, I turn on my home theater sound system and my 4K TV and set my standards way too high. Never been disappointed once.

[@craigmocello8552]

@HloniEhElevenMolefe 4k tv? Get with the times bro.

[@joemama069]

The Lucid disappearing when comparing it to a 1000hp drag car is insane

[@Shaker392]

@@joemama069 instant torque & all wheel drive sure helps.

[@globalmoney154]

It’s got 200 more hp and 485 more lb/ft of torque

[@BigKandRtv]

Yep, and it isn't even close. Crazy quick microwave right there.

[@katalysis]

It's long been established as the fastest production car in the world. Not sure why anyone is surprised or expected otherwise?

[@Chris-hw4mq]

The 170 is junk not worth the money, a 911 turbo would beat it easy

[@BrendanEvan]

I never understood rollout before. This show is pure education

[@van_trippin5260]

Same here. At least i now know why it used to be a thing, before accurate timing. Total b.ll..ks nowadays

[@danielowenuk]

It’s why offset exists in drag cars. Effectively you can cheat the timing a little by having one wheel a couple of inches further forward than the other. Probably does weird things to handling of a road car though 😂

[@brentvance3958]

@@danielowenukdepending on how fast your car is. Cars that go 12’s or higher it’s not a problem but 11’s and lower it’s a problem. I had a 1985 Mustang GT that could run 12.5’s all day but if I staged a little offset I could run 12.39. It was awesome. The short block was a stock 85 302 but parts on it were not.

[@bishopoftroy]

tf is "PURE" education :))) you make it sound like that`s all the pure epic education you had in your life.

[@TheJohn8765]

@@van_trippin5260 Seems like an easy problem to fix even with totally analog "electric eye" tech from 50 years ago, but good luck trying to change people's minds...

[@brainwithani5693]

Let me just say this show is an absolute model of editing, music, hosting, everything is perfect. I aspire to be this good one day.

[@BigKandRtv]

I was thinking the same. Production values off the chart. It was good enough that I didn't feel like skipping forward to the money shots.

[@sharifnealy1835]

Absolutely incredible

[@misiek08]

All the fake sounds of engine, added from different runs and different places and the non-stop "we know better" approach. Love it!

[@Freddy_Confetti]

Track prep want good enough or he wasn’t on e85. No reason a demon 170 would be that slow when they run low 9’a routinely in every other video

[@BigKandRtv]

@@Freddy_Confetti Altitude density affects all ICE, even those with forced induction. On the other hand, low density actually helps the electric car a tiny bit: less dense air induces less drag.

[@MH-on8ol]

Lucid is for real and haters will hate. The car is bad ass. I drove an Air GT and it was 1050 HP and was wicked fast. Whoever is doing your film editing is absolute top of the game well done folks.

[@richardroberson9277]

It's a laughably limited production by a failing company that has like 30hp extra tuned into it just to beat a 4yr old plaid....95k vs 250? What a joke. They'll blow money on dorky stuff like this just to get headlines. Longest range fastest by .05. then you gotta charge it at a Walmart smh

[@bfvader]

@@richardroberson9277 It didn't have to throw out all the switches, buttons, stalks, and half the steering wheel to save costs... oops I mean "minimalism".

[@lexburen5932]

@@richardroberson9277 haha hater 🤡

[@apollochaoz]

@@richardroberson9277 the difference between that and the tesla is it isn't ugly and actually has a good interior

[@apollochaoz]

Oh yeah and it won't fall apart

[@mrb2349]

The cars, the production quality, the information, the narration, as well as how you left no stones unturned and no potential complaints unaddressed, this was one of the most incredible Automotive Journalism experiences ever. And the others are also videos of yours.

[@thatguyrob2dope128]

They did leave a stone unturned they didn't roll race

[@edgartrujillo1558]

@@thatguyrob2dope128 most likely the same outcome

[@monkeyshines11]

Incredible Automotive Journalism Experience, lol. It’s just a drag race.

[@mesniburek1652]

@@edgartrujillo1558 debatable... It would definitely be insanely close

[@moralobjection4836]

Yeah except they sandbagged the whole deal and tried to edit it out. Almost every demon 170 owner is coming forward to cut the video apart, and those of us who have challengers with track modes already knew the guy was racing in "auto" which in those cars is "economy mode". This was just paid promotion from lucid.

[@goskidmark]

Jason Cammisa is the face of the Hagerty media group. Period. He needs a raise.

[@TheJohn8765]

I'm quite fond of Catchpole, too! Different style, tho.

[@crookedaxle]

I had to go back and watch another video to trigger my brain why he looks different.

[@tomfurstyfield]

I only watch Jason videos I wish he made every video on the channel

[@sarkaranish]

@@TheJohn8765 He gives a much more top gear vibe, very sophisticated and nice. I love that hagerty has a guy for everyone. they do a great job with casting hosts.

[@BenzMusoni]

He needs his own drag race channel

[@sungkim742]

What people fail to mention is that the Lucid doesn't even have drag tires or a parachute.

[@TattleDelta]

All Wheel Drive is All Wheel Drive though.

[@IceTTom]

Also failed to mention it has windows, it isn't painted pink, it has 4 wheels, the wheels are round I mean... we watched the video 🥴

[@IceTTom]

@@TattleDelta Absolutely brilliant statement! Give this man an award! Pure genius!

[@kylegirmsey]

nor a soul

[@ttystikkrocks1042]

​@@TattleDeltaFour wheel burnouts are a thing (just watch a Ken Block video) and the traction control system in the Lucid is doing serious work keeping that great big heavy car straight, square and pulling hard with all four corners.

[@ROBMACDUI]

Wow, that 170 looked like a monster but the way that Lucid just disappeared was absurd!

[@sigdre9225]

One car that’s at the end of it’s production and the other from a now bankrupt and soon to be defunct manufacturer 2:30

[@Noahdea611]

u sure this ain't rigged? what I mean is there have been fake tests done for money so don't believe everything on the internet!!

[@WilliamArrington-m7d]

@@sigdre9225 Lucid still owns the patents on its motors and batteries. All Formula E batteries are made by lucid

[@Slyrsu]

@@sigdre9225 So a car that's had a decade to get it right got beat by a nearly bankrupt brand new company? Lmao

[@ZoMTDU]

@@Slyrsu No he's saying once the US government finds out how fast they are from stock and adds 1000+ restrictions to all that power there goes any reason to actually buy it in the first place, basically bankrupting the company.

[@bigmikeg84]

If that's the best launch Tom Bailey can do, it's the best launch period.

[@Mustardmamgt]

Sick Week!!!

[@pwdrhnd23]

I don't know, Demonology (Herman) has the best experience launching the both Demon models.

[@DroneStrike1776]

@@pwdrhnd23 I would take Tom Bailey of Demonology any day of the week. You're forgetting that this is Famosa, it's not known for good DA. It's 615ft above sea level and DA is over 4000ft. Those numbers choke out an ICE.

[@G82Watts]

Well u would be wrong. Demonology has actually got his 170 to do what dodge claims. Hes owned dodge products all his life.

[@nastinick9380]

Lucid is faster but the Demon is way more exciting and fun to drive. Speed is pointless now a days. Give me the thrill of the drive any day and that's the Demon

[@bowtiebonanza]

Whoever came up with, "Grandy Pobst" is a got dang genius. That was hilarious.

[@TheSpiderpig976]

@@bowtiebonanza game of thrones!

[@kaii-lb]

i laughed so hard at it fsr

[@skierpage]

Putting the drag into drag racing!

[@binauralauto3621]

I laughed; leave it up to Randy to brighten someone's day!

[@meljenmobilegaming1246]

I love every time jason point out that Randy is Old 😂, love the good old days at MT Channel head2head

[@JuanLopez-kw9of]

I've been following Camissa from his early days at Automobile til now. He is the greatest automotive journalist of his generation. I watch everything this guy does and would love to see him lead a revival of TG or TGT! Best automotive content on any platform period.

[@xtnuser5338]

He is fantastic, but also a little bit annoyingly goofy. Like...trying to stuff the radar detector into his mouth. Just why?

[@audiwankenobi361]

Have never had "Rollout" explained to me so clearly. Thanks and this is incredibly entertaining.

[@vladimirmirkovic5314]

I sincerely hope that Hagerty realizes that you’re arrangement with them, is producing by far the best written and produced gear-head shows on KZbin. I actually wait with anticipation for every new show. Please keep up the fantastic work.

[@beyondthispoint5557]

The only one that comes close is @throttlehouse.

[@DroneStrike1776]

Everything stops when Cammisa drops a video.

[@vladymirvernet9003]

@@DroneStrike1776 literally

[@DrieStone]

I mean, he's the reason I'm a subscriber, and the marketing works. I switched over to Hagarty for insurance earlier this year. Happy to consider it payment for fun Cammisa content.

[@rac3rcr3w]

I used to watch him when he was on motor trend and when he left I stopped watching motor trend.

[@NWSanta]

Agreed, love the delivery and his videos!! All stop!

[@mmf9765]

@@DrieStoneinsurance ?

[@TheArkDoc]

This video is proof why Hagerty and Camisa are now the "gold standard" for automotive journalism.

[@Posting-Maharashtra]

I would like to say, I would still get the Demon

[@danielhorne640]

I thought the same until I test drove the Lucid GT…then bought it.

[@bradleyland]

The Lucid looks like CGI when it shoots off the line on VHT. Absolutely insane.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Absolutely insane to use the phrase absolutely insane ONE TRILLION TIMES.

[@4stevenies]

Yeah, the acceleration of the acceleration just looks beyond the realm of possibility. It looks like it should have a jet engine in the back the way it takes off

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Ever see the video of the guy who built the water-powered rocket sled? 3-wheeled cart with a water thrust device on it. Makes powerful cars look pathetic.

[@gokuvegeta179]

it's like launching a jet off the catapult on the carrier.

[@jcstream1]

Your editor needs a raise!

[@antoineaaron3754]

That part

[@mrNorthernLightOfficial]

indeed!! :D full on editor flex! these guys make hollywood jealous

[@TheDarkLedger254]

definetely😂😂😂

[@BrendenPragasam]

The ironic thing is that drag races with these types of speeds and times were only for the hypercars 10 years ago... Now its the types of cars you see in everyday at stoplights in palo alto

[@emdotrod]

And it's become more affordable to more people!

[@revelare_xvii6269]

That’s what scares me.

[@JeremiBulakowski]

No way that's true, how can you explain that Dominic Toretto wanted a 10 second car otherwise?

[@LanguagesWithAndrew]

@@revelare_xvii6269 Yup, we're seeing a lot more accidents involving these types of vehicles now because they're much more available to the average moron who doesn't really know how to drive them, especially in the case of electric vehicles like Teslas. At least with Shelby Mustangs and Corvettes and what-not the driver was more likely to be of above-average skill because they were typically enthusiasts with experience in performance vehicles. That's become less and less the case.

[@LaczPro]

And that's straight-up scary

[@austinkulju3839]

Those lucids are absolutely incredible. I went and worked as a rental for another company, and we were working at thunderhill Raceway in Willows CA. There were people working on their lucids then taking them out and drifting them, and thats what introduced me to what a lucid even was. It was so sick seeing these lucids that were so quick hitting the nicest drifts. There was even 2 of those 4 door electric Porsches out there with them.

[@willr5372]

Can we just take a second to admire the cinematography here. The slow mo zoom in was some of the best I’ve ever seen.

[@pcgamingtvr]

The thing that makes these videos so good is the editing, the cars themselves are cool but the way they put it together makes it perfect

[@themogget8808]

Directing, editing, writing, planning, paperwork, camera work, knowledge of what the user base wants to see, network of contacts in the industry, etc.

[@upssidep9283]

Yes, the editing is by far the best on KZbin now.

[@rallyman1122]

Easily the best editing of any channel on KZbin. But it’s also how the editing is used to convey humour, to emphasize the point being made and to bring this channel several steps above most every other automotive channel n

[@PhilipBlank]

Agreed! They do incredible work

[@fj06carnone]

I wouldn't watch this video if It was about a boring topic. But i would still watch it with worse editing....

[@xaxs101]

"There's never enough horsepower... just not enough traction." - Carroll Shelby

[@hassanger8128]

Both Dodge and BMW lie about their cars performance numbers, but they are totally lying in different directions.

[@gohamm8629]

@@xaxs101 don’t you mean “too much horsepower”?

[@abuamin1550]

@@hassanger8128 include Porsche as well!

[@Youtuber-k2p]

Shelby was never good at quotes, that makes zero sense. There’s always enough horsepower, just not enough traction. Makes sense.

[@g600f700]

so, say anything they want. The temperature, humidity, the UV too much, gravity... who is faster 1/4 mile or 0-60mph? That's it.

[@justpassingthrough3166]

ZR1 numbers were just released....1060+hp and twin turbos We're gonna need a 2.0 version of this comparison

[@TheWizardboy5]

refer to the video of the lucid beating a bugatti chiron with quad turbos and 1400+ horse

[@nero786]

It will be the same story. It won’t best the lucid. And it’s ok lol

[@justpassingthrough3166]

I don't care if the ZR1 loses. I just want to see a comparison. Electric cars will always be faster. But they have no soul. I've owned a Model S with the Ludicrous tune for about 6 months and it was incredibly fast....actually stupid fast. But I have way more fun in my C7 Z06. Even my tuned and deleted Cummins is more entertaining to drive with it's trailer on the back. But thats my opinion, doesn't mean its right, it's just how I see things.

[@edmondsmith4259]

@justpassingthrough3166 An EXCELLENT objective comment. Yes folks we can indeed have both for different purposes. I myself am an EV enthusiast, been since high school, but the mastery and artful engineering behind an exotic ICE is a joyful treat.

[@JayRSwan]

So you want to see the 170 vs ZR1

[@n9athan]

9 second 1/4 mile in a car that handles like a dream and easily carries 5 people and luggage is insane.

[@aaronbateman8218]

@@n9athan so is the pricetag

[@n9athan]

@@aaronbateman8218 true, but so is any car that comes close in performance.

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

@@n9athan Lucid Air Sapphire = $250,000 - 9.1 sec Dodge Demon 170 = $100,000 - 9.5 Tesla S Plaid = $81,500 - 9.3 This Sapphire was designed to beat the Tesla. It wins, but I think this is what you call pay to win.

[@jozefjozefczyk3936]

​@@michaelscott-joynt3215dodge demon 11.2s 1/4mile

[@MaB-b7l]

That's Lucid for you. The engineers don't get the respect that they deserve

[@LaczPro]

I would've never guessed I would learn a lot about drag strips as well in a video of two superfast American cars.

[@kangarojack3814]

Kimbo gtr an frustrate civic a smoke that lucid on the street an the track 🤣

[@DBroggel]

​@@kangarojack3814 I think you forgot the part where it's stock, reliable, 5-seater, luxurious, comfortable and much more lol It's like saying someone did a 3.840 1/4mile. Cool story bob, but those ain't even remotely the same

[@mrb2349]

@@kangarojack3814 you losers always make the same claims. "My cousin built a 1996 Civic out of scraps for $3000 and it destroys Teslas in the quarter mile lol lol lmao lol" yet we never see these imaginary civics on the drag strip. And nothing cheaper than this Lucid can destroy it on the quarter mile AND do 15 runs back to back like it did. And your tuned up civic won't even run a half mile before complete engine failure, let alone do a track run.

[@muffty1337]

I burst out laughing at the start of the first race. I was so surprised how ridiculously unfair it looked, that i couldn't contain myself. :D

[@dontrustwhiteyevery1]

Dodge is old tech.

[@brooklyndrumcompany]

same

[@rapu4]

Yeah, I couldn't do anything but laugh when I saw the first race. I saw a million comments on social media from those bizarre anti-EV people saying that this'll be the one to beat the EVs, that this'll be the redemption of the internal combustion engine. I expected the VHT to help a lot, and it did, but even with an extremely good driver, it's not close at all.

[@cblue3581]

@@dontrustwhiteyevery1 ICE is old tech...there fixed it for you

[@chrisl8527]

@@rapu4 look up Texas 2k quarter mile times. Those are all street cars but heavily modified.

[@Searchingtheworld7183]

The Lucid Saphire is insane

[@forrestsautoreviewsofficial]

Yeah that Sapphire is absurd. 🤯 Also, I’d like to put in my request to meet Cammisa! Been watching you since early Motortrend days man! Massive fan!

[@ActionHeinz]

The Lucid is unreal. You could have had your wife, mother, father, kids and dog on board together with two weeks of grocery shopping and it would still beat the fastest road legal production drag car on a prepped drag strip. That's insane. If I could, I would just take both.

[@lordbrain8867]

@@ActionHeinz and it can take a corner pretty well, while also maintaining a good range

[@Eamador3]

The cybertruckk can do the same thing

[@reidboggs4344]

@@Eamador3yeah but the Lucid actually looks good.

[@wruenvadam]

@@lordbrain8867 Oh and its brakes actually work more than once. I have been fawning over the Lucid Air Sapphire for a while. If I had it like that, I would certainly buy it hands down over the Tesla Model S Plaid. it is far more expensive sure, but it has the build quality to back it up and then some.

[@BigLoMayne]

@@Eamador3 You could do the same in any fast German sedan…. But there are levels to this.

[@RobertWill-uq3iv]

Reminds me of Ford claiming 200 m.p.h. for the GT 500 and nobody able to come close to that. Best Car and Driver could do was 189. You gotta fact check these guys!

It was track certified at just over 200 MPH.

[@CadaverIsDaddy]

you seem to be confused, the car is capable of well over 200, some of the fastest ive seen being 208 mostly stock and i say mostly stock because the gt500 isnt made for top speed nor does ford tune them for it, the top speed with factory tune is 180 ford purposely set and restricted this as top speed for optimal track performance usage, if you retune it or buy one with this tune not installed it is capable of 200+ ford does sell gt500 without this tune, most however are tuned to top out at 180

@@CadaverIsDaddy Car and Backseat Driver is not certified for speed testing. The car was clocked at just over 200 MPH on a five mile oval test facility with certified timing. Stop talking out of your ash.

[@JayRSwan]

I believe he was talking about the 2013 not the 2020​@CadaverIsDaddy

[@_justintylerparks]

Hagerty for the win as best automotive journal in 2024. I am a Tesla model S plaid with track pack owner, and a classic car enthusiast. Finally we have a news source that is being honest about the good and bad of ICE and electric. Jason Cammisa is a gawl-darn national treasure!

[@zollotech]

Love that they both exist and you get to choose what you prefer. The best of new and tech or top old school HP.

[@jacelcc]

Well, it zollotech!

[@michaelscott-joynt3215]

Lots of people build faster and better than the Demon in their own garages for $100K (or less), while at $250K this EV is as good as it gets. It's deceptive to strictly compare production models to make the EV look like ICE can't keep up. Marketing gimmick and great click bait though.

[@bobogto540i4]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 True to a point. Even their leader board has quicker cars than the 170. But don't forget... It's entertainment. I rather watch and listen to the supercharger on this thing than any twinturbo anything. :) Could care less about the electric toaster. But it's quicker... blah, blah... I came here for the supercharger. :)

[@bobogto540i4]

If we are talking old school as an old Mercedes and a pushrod V8... Yes. But this is not the best and newest of the petrol engine world. Quite the opposite. Especially given the price tag of the microwave. But I agree. Glad they both exist.

[@mishobelev6924]

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 Did you miss the part where they said "production car"? It sounds like you might have

[@Tiffer_77]

Lucid is not joke. But the sound of the devil is priceless.

[@lmaobrae_wut]

Gotta love em both yk 😍

[@mtngritz]

Cammisa and Hagerty are national treasures...

[@G82Watts]

Cammisa sounds like a dude that got bullied in school. 😂 "national treasurers" u mean a channel and person that gets paid to make videos to push the EV narrative? Why do u think this vid is being debunked by demonology, butter da insider, and every other real car guys channel. Why do u think Jason got to be the first reviewer of the cyberdork?

[@vextxres]

That’s one fast gaming mouse on wheels lol. instant torque helps a hella fs but bro won fair and square. Respect

[@LeoMkII]

Nah, gaming mouses have a more inspired design than that

[@vextxres]

@ gotta give em some sorta credit for going that fast tho lol

[@KevinMay71]

The Sapphire just beat the Corvette E-Ray in the LIghtning Lap at VIR, too. The car is just insanely fast no matter where you run it.

[@G82Watts]

Taycan turbo gt is still the best all around performance EV u can buy. Also looks the best and has the best interior imo

[@YoungShul]

But how? I'm not against the turbo gt, but for the same money you get 3 more seats, more power, better handling (apparently) and its not even a whole lot slower around a track. Tons more luggage space as well. ​@G82Watts

[@C0lbyte]

@@YoungShul Yeah i am a Porsche fan big time but if i had the money the Lucid would be my daily and not the Porsche even though it looks better

[@mndlessdrwer]

​@@YoungShulyeah, if you're already in that price point and you want a daily that can thrash everything else on the road then you buy a Lucid Air Sapphire. If you just want to look cool and have something pretty to stare at, then you buy a Taycan. They're both great cars, but the Lucid is easier to live with.

[@goncaloaraujo6644]

@@G82Watts the yangwang u9 its just as good if not better. for 120k dollars. unfortunately its a china only car now. europe will soon get it

[@juozasslavinskas]

give these guys all the money. they make the best car content not just on KZbin but ever. even better than top gear(widely considered the best)

[@turnersexplicit7912]

Absolutely

[@mrb2349]

Top Gear was always staged and fake. Everything about them was (and if they still exist, is) bogus.

[@coolmusic1684]

I think you have gone too far do you really know Jeremy Clarkson

[@mrb2349]

@@juozasslavinskas my comment disappeared somehow. It's okay I'll repost. Top Gear has always been completely fake and staged. Completely.

[@simonlamacraft378]

The best edumacation and entertainment comes from Jason Cammisa. What a pearler of an episode.

[@mrbxv]

These videos always deliver. You give viewers exactly what they want and more. Educational and raw. More than a dozen runs to shut people up.

[@DeathComesSwiftly]

Hard to watch that Demon just fall on its face right off the line.

[@Blaquer17]

With 15 runs, I'm sure Tom was giving it every trick in the book. It's not like he's new to this

[@DeathComesSwiftly]

@@Blaquer17 I didn’t critique the driver. You can just hear that car stumble off the line every time. The lucid is so fast that in those small moments of hesitation, that thing is so far ahead right away

[@Turshin]

California in the summertime isn't exactly the best case scenario for an ICE car.

[@det_tf2]

@@Turshin Then what is? Should they try drag racing on ice? I feel like that would be far worse for the ICE car lmao.

[@skierpage]

​@@Turshin cope cope cope

[@-joe-davidson]

To be fair, a 2X4 started out as 2" X 4" but the lumber industry made them smaller over time to get more lumber from a log and the housing industry had no problem adjusting to the new size and it's still easier to say "2X4" than it is to say 1.5 X 3.5 .... You can still get authentic 2"X4" lumber if you want it. Some builders insist on it.

[@SpektrikMusic]

ahh yes only capitalistic america would accept 2x4 as 1.5x3.5 because corporations told them to

[@TheJohn8765]

I used to reno old houses (some were from the '20's). You have to rejigger your brain when framing off true sizes or you're going to have a bad day ;)

[@-joe-davidson]

@@TheJohn8765 You should be using correct lumber for reno.. You can still get true sized lumber. Honestly, it's not that much trouble to adjust. If you're struggling with it, that's on you.

[@crookedaxle]

Thank you Cliff Claven!🤣

[@MrPPunch69]

And that is another point why imperial measurement suck. 80mm x 40mm is ALWAYS 80mm x 40mm

[@ElectricGlider2016]

Again reminder that this is a full sized family sedan that is crushing this purpose-built drag car.

[@davidbaker2778]

@@ElectricGlider2016 one other thing to remember is it is limited heavily purpose built. There are people running 7’s at 170-180 mph in Hellcats that don’t have to meet California emissions standards. These are Hellcats with good enough manners to drive to work everyday. It can be done. Lots of boost and good fuel. Less restriction. It will never be possible to get the full potential and remain 50 state legal. I’m glad I live in a state that doesn’t test for any of that.

[@dylpickel8460]

@@ElectricGlider2016 yeah I love dodge challengers and they are one of my favorite cars but they need so much prep and arnt as good as people say they are. But they are still really good

[@ImJusSha]

Reminder that it’s literally an electric car awd and the demon needs more prep

[@cre8tvedge]

@@davidbaker2778 Your glad to be all in pollution and life killing warming? Wow.

[@whambodius]

@@davidbaker2778 Is there a tire company that makes a tire I don't know about that can handle 1000hp 7 second runs and drive to work everyday? Or has it become a norm to go run 7 second at the 1/4 and then change wheels and tires , adjust suspension and upload a different tune ? You seriously cant argue that a 7 second hellcat is even a decent daily driver. Whereas the sapphire is a true street , everyday car that also happens to basically obliterate anything on wheels. I'm all about sleepers and functional race cars but that is nonsense. I don't even like electric cars but nobody can deny sapphire is the ultimate daily to serve gapplebe's.

[@chrisparish885]

The cinematography in these videos is absolutely nuts. So much fun to watch.

[@mikelyon5595]

The rollout explanation was helpful!

[@robbyjai]

yeh i thought it was well explained.

[@thedarkenergist]

Mr. Esposito - You are a man of great talent. You've all done it again.

[@anthonyesposito4872]

It has more to do with practice than talent, but I’ll take that! In all seriousness, with the right crew everything falls into place.

[@stacybehrens7152]

It’s kind of ridiculous that drag strips don’t use an overhead sensor to establish when the car starts moving. This is trivial and very mature technology.

[@CaptainSeamus]

The reason they don't change is consistency of record keeping. If they change it, they would have to change it everywhere, all at once - AND it then also throws off the existing 60 or 70 years of numbers comparing new system to old.

[@stacybehrens7152]

@@CaptainSeamus “That’s the way we’ve always done it” is always a terrible justification.

[@CaptainSeamus]

@@stacybehrens7152 You missed the point - we use things all the time that are inaccurate like that because they keep existing data useable. In Olympic fencing (for example) there is a 1/50th second "lag" time for the buttons on the end of the foils and epees to be read by the machines. In old machines it was just there... but in new machines it has been built in to act like the old scoring machines did, to keep it fair to the existing records. That's just one I'm intimately familiar with, but there are plenty like that when it comes to time keeping in sports. Sorry you don't like it, but "Always" is a very strong term.

[@acwwreview1909]

@@CaptainSeamus When things change the records need to change along with them. So what if the new data doesn't perfectly match the old? It's not actually important for anything. I promise nothing bad will happen if we record more accurate 0-60 times. Record both if its important for whatever reason (it isn't) but "that's the way we've always done it" is invariably a terrible argument.

[@blitzed5210]

@@thatsalamebro-et8hb F1 has changed their scoring system a few years back and everything's fine. It's just a little more difficult to compare modern drivers to the old drivers

[@Mikegastaldo]

It never stops amazing me how much people with no mechanical skills will spend to go fast...in the early 90 's I bought a 72 Datsun 240z... built a small block Chevy for it and ran 9 seconds at moroso motor park ..the car was street legal and plated..it had a Ford narrowed rear end with 15x15 centerline convo pro's..a full frame/cage and a built turbo 400 with scatter shield.. nothing too crazy tho..I probably had 20 grand in the car..in today's money it's like 50 or 60 grand nowhere near 200 grand...

[@philb707]

That Lucid Air straight up disrespected the Demon.

[@Charlesbjtown]

Ran out of his life 😭

[@CaptainKedah]

Bigtime 😂😂😂

[@glennthompson8322]

@@philb707 well said

[@moonsovermiami101]

The King is dead. Long live the King

[@philb707]

@@moonsovermiami101 still king sound wise, can't beat ICE sound

[@EvolvedCasualGamer_HM]

The videos you roll out are just so high quality and your explanation of how the drag race lighting system or laser system works was very educational. Very high quality content.

[@joshuamanayani2964]

That lucid is obnoxiously fast. Pair that with its near prodigious handling system (cammisa goes more in depth about that department in a carmudgeon show episode where he calls it the best handling car ever) and you get a car I desperately want.

[@AlexReyes-t9i]

He didn't say it was the best handling car, but it was an EV that responded to driver inputs flawlessly. His description of the Lucid Air Sapphire is the car was able to do exactly what he wanted to do to the point it felt like the car was reading his mind. This does not mean it can outdo a 911 GT3RS, but it does mean it's an amazing driver's car

[@mobiusflammel9372]

@@AlexReyes-t9i He says it's the best handling sedan, and says it may be the best-handling car outright. These are the opening words of his IG review: "Verdict Lucid Air Sapphire: the best-handling sedan in the history of the world. Or maybe the best-handling car, period. I've had three days to try to think of anything better, and I can't." He does go on to expand on his thoughts in the Carmudgeon episode focused on the Sapphire though, and explains what he means by best handling.

[@ARCNA442]

@@mobiusflammel9372 Has he driven the new Taycan Turbo S though? Somehow I doubt the Lucid is better handling than a Porsche that smashed the previous EV Nurburgring record while having less power than the Plaid.

[@larryc1616]

4680 Roadster = GAME OVER ⚡️ 🇺🇲

[@rdp131]

No beating electric. For those of you saying there is no soul in an ev, I would like you to consider the shear engineering marvel the lucid sapphire is. ICE has had a 100 or more years to perfect piston engine technology and has done well but now there is a new kid on the block.

[@daniq4711]

New??? That technology is older than ICE engines. Just not used before because of the same issues EV enthusiasts keep ignoring: charging times and autonomy...

[@miscellaneousdanger]

@@daniq4711 Exactly what technology are you referring to. Batteries and motors? Some people just can't get out of their own way. You probably think everything mechanical runs on springs and gears. ~ Rick Sanchez

[@Fasteddiebreakshearts]

Someone tell the DUD 170 that Ricky Bobby said if you ain’t first you’re last …Murica 🇺🇸😂👍🏽

[@terrywhitlow2744]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hell Naw Eddie

[@mykeljewell]

Haha Well he did learn it from his dad who was high at the time so he could be wrong

[@juniorjohnson670]

@@mykeljewellwho wrong … Ricky Bobby Neverrrrr 🇺🇸

[@mykeljewell]

@@juniorjohnson670 haha fair point what was I thinking

[@juniorjohnson670]

And to think all those guys went out and paid 100k over sticker the Milk DUD 170 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@HJ-bz4vn]

Editing/Capture/Production is so good on these vids.

[@Taino871]

Absolutely no one has the video work that Hagerty has, it’s the main reason ( Other than the host) why this is my go to channel. Everything about these videos is perfect. No one has a host like this. I could listen to this man read out cooking recipes.

[@frenettaoneal2482]

The explanation of acceleration testing and timing equipment is the very best I’ve ever seen. I write service and installation manuals, this is top notch.

[@DragTimes]

great runs, gotta get in the 8's!

[@tomrynkewicz7674]

@@DragTimes you need to buy one since your Plaid is slowing down right? Next to the Plaid it would still be the cheapest, quickest car out of all your cars and still carry 5 people and luggage not like all those exotic lambos,, Ferrari, etc that cost waaaaay more than the lucid.

[@larryc1616]

Gutted Plaid = 8's ⚡️🇺🇲 Do it brooks! 🙏

[@adityachampawat1414]

Was rooting for the 170 but damn that Lucid is fast!

[@MaticTheProto]

The demon sounds worse than the lucid lol

[@DuBstep115]

@@MaticTheProto I love murican V8 but demon is one of the worst sounding V8s there are. 1. Old big blocks 2. GT350 3. 3 valve 4.6L Mustang 4. LS7 5. Demon

[@HansBelphegor]

​​@@DuBstep115 the 392 sounds great but that whine from the supercharger is not good. My 426 from 65 sounds as good as a new 392

[@drunkpolack7612]

@@MaticTheProto lead poisoning got to this boomer fs

[@MaticTheProto]

@@drunkpolack7612 ???

[@Spud_E_Buddy]

A lot of comments about the editing and alike…rightfully so, but I will add that the writing/storytelling is equally masterful in Jason & team’s videos. Well done gents 🙌🏼 ❤

[@sharpballer7751]

The editing in these videos is always top notch

[@joaosousa1608]

It's by far... the BEST videos to watch!!! Cammisa and Hagerty what a legends you are!!! Regards from Portugal!💪🏼💪🏼

[@sangmoonkwon6394]

That Lucid is really insane

[@Jsk913]

@@sangmoonkwon6394 now imagine what you could do to the demon with that extra 150k.

[@tempest8600]

@@Jsk913 sell it

[@cre8tvedge]

@@Jsk913 It would still lose to the Lucid.

[@ProjectExMachina]

@@Jsk913 Now, imagine what could you do with Lucid if it was treated as a drag car instead of a limo

[@ct1762]

@@cre8tvedge if you think its loosing with a 2500hp built motor, i have a bridge to sell you

[@LifeExotics]

I love the Lucid. I'd take it any day over the demon. You spend so much time inside the car... quick and luxurious

[@robertlopez9912]

Your special effects are simply amazing. I will watch more videos just cause of this alone. Great videos thank you. Thumbs up

[@RazrThinblade]

If I could base my purchase of a vehicle solely on this video, the Lucid got it in the first 2 seconds of the first race. That launch was crazy!

[@DenisKudlik]

does dodge have evidence of that 8.9? I think we'd all like to see it

[@SuvroSawon]

Fake evidence.. It can do 8.9 with modified 1500+ whp

[@DroneStrike1776]

To be fair, this was in Famosa. Famosa is known for it's terrible DA. I have a friend that goes there, he lives in Bakersfield. It's 600+ feet above sea level and the average DA of over 3000ft most of the time. Just for reference, you can search DA online and on 7/10/2024 at 4pm, Famosa had a DA of 4400ft about sea level. General rule is, for every 1000ft, a car loses 3% of it's power. To hit that 9.7 time, it was probably late in the evening when the DA dropped a little bit.

[@G82Watts]

Demonology video

[@ESL3023]

@@DroneStrike1776 that sounds like a lot of excuses

[@FierceNinja]

@@DroneStrike1776 well, not all cars, ev's dont care about altitude, thats why their ideal for the pikes peak runs

[@thatlamb0guy466]

I knew this was a bad match up, but dammit the quality and performance of both cars are just indescribable 😂😂😂 im a new subscriber

[@TexasRiverRat31254]

I see Hagerty with Cammisa I click! Other Hagerty content is pretty damn good as well. Keep it comin please.

[@Dxeus]

The drama of launching a parachute at the end. 😅😅

[@haeikou]

And from only 230 km/h too. *Laughs in German*

[@Zanpaa]

It's a cool shot!

[@dubsessed9790]

Gotta stop that tank somehow. The lucid will just use it's brakes, like any other car 😂

[@Dxeus]

@@dubsessed9790 Lucid is 1000Lb heavier and faster than the Dodge.

[@theMelvinShow]

@@Dxeus ...and yet it doesn't need a parachute. Seems as if Dodge skimped on the brakes

[@carguy7627]

I'm very impressed with how you all put this video together and by having a true drag and drive legend like Tom Bailey as part of it. I don't think he would've been involved unless he thought things were being done right.

[@owenpowell-v3z]

go watch Tom's video about the race, then draw conclusions

[@HollywoodJBlaq]

“It’s time to stop arguing and start fighting…” At first you had my curiosity, now you have my attention 😂

[@Veyronp87]

i think its time to fully question Dodge's claim of 8.9 1/4 mile on the Demon 170. It is not legitimate based on 3rd party testing.

[@WindyCity1992]

Look up the driver and time slip It's literally public knowledge... It took me all of 10 minutes to Find the record time and details

[@conradbreitfeller3841]

It is legitimate these guys just can't launch the demon

[@john_barnett]

@@WindyCity1992 That was like a haiku with an extra chromasome

[@Zeil_tha_dragon]

There are a few demon 170s hitting into the 8.8 and 8.9 sec

[@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi]

It's so inconsistent that it's useless.

[@blackdatto]

I didn’t like electric until I throughly test drove one several times. Now that is my choice for street and I keep R35 for circuit. It’s not about fuel type, it’s about speed and power. Best tool for the job. I know you want to defend your favourite fuel like it’s your religion, don’t bother, it’s all over. We must accept that our oil powered cars that were once fast are now slow, technology keeps moving forward. Always drive whatever you enjoy Cheers

[@nbagoats4819]

I prefer both worlds in Hybrid. I think Hybrid is the way to go. Happy medium.

[@kevincano9164]

@@blackdatto that’s exactly what I been saying once the plaid came out !! But now a days they’re starting to make sport electric like i4 , and Porsche , nivera, and even Hyundais electric sport car u get me it’s not just tesla anymore and they’re amazing

[@kevincano9164]

They rather miss out on getting to feel how fast they can be lol

[@GrantWood.]

Some of the best car content on the internet 👏🏼👏🏼

[@rafaeltardelle]

Essa edição de vídeo é espetacular ❤❤❤❤❤

[@Sonfvirgin360]

They should have called it the Lucid Satan 😂

[@toddm9957]

@@Sonfvirgin360 lucid Lucifer

[@sooperburrito]

I think there's a Camaro build called "the Exorcist" lol

[@antoineaaron3754]

Demon Slayer😂😂

[@jsz2619]

@@antoineaaron3754 Demon fu..er

[@twsmith6598]

Exercist

[@GregoryBrettin]

Tom Bailey is drag racing royalty. VERY cool to have him in this episode!

[@johncena-hq1ti]

For sure but he definitely isn’t the best driver for the demon. That would go to Ron Silva or Herman. I think they would’ve been better candidates for this race

[@det_tf2]

@@johncena-hq1ti I think with that big of a gap, it probably wouldn't matter.

[@johncena-hq1ti]

@@det_tf2 definitely would be much closer, these passes were slow for the 170. I’ve seen many customer cars doing 9.3-9.0 bone stock, even 8.98. This was significantly slower on all measures.

[@awesom6588]

I don’t care who he is he drove that demon like garbage. Literally a full second off a normal pass for a regular demon

[@jeremyc74]

The production quality of these videos is just next level. Keep up the great content!

[@lordraiden5398]

😂😂😂 That Lucid taking off on VHT looked like it was shot out of a canon in a cartoon.

[@wespeterson4910]

Sucha a cool episode jason...well done !!! Also love seeing tom and randy ! Hell yeah!

[@RavenSupra]

Awesome episode guys!! Tremendous effort by everyone that put this together!

[@rorichii4359]

Great way to wake up my Daily/Weekly Dose of Hagerty♨️

[@RahulRahul-mn2jr]

No matter what happens I still love dodge challengers still. And also no matter how fast the electric cars I still also love regular gas powered engine cars ❤️

[@suvann540i]

Thank you. I don't know why people can't just make such a succinct statement. Most people try to rationalize why they won't buy an electric car with some BS talking point. You like what you like and I respect it. Just remember that those who now own EVs likely DID love their ICE cars too. Don't worry man..., you'll get there, and you'll finally understand it.

[@braddrummonds7389]

There still will be room for gas powered car racing; it just won't be at the top end. Unless electro-mechanical interfaces get way better, gas powered car racing is going to be relegated to the minor leagues.

[@TheArkDoc]

That is exactly why I have both ICE hobby cars and an Electric daily.

[@Squesus]

There's a lot of Dodge bois that need to see this video 😂

[@jjwrx8]

But any true car person knows you're looking at calvo tuned vipers in the same price range as the lucid💀

[@M67v]

@@jjwrx8I mean I’d take that over a Challenger. Against a Lucid tho? Good luck getting traction

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@jjwrx8 I don't think someone is cross shopping a track Viper with a luxury sedan. The former is really only great on the track, and will get you killed anywhere else. The latter has room for groceries

[@jjwrx8]

@@Courtesyflush52 I'd argue the tesla is what people actually would be cross shopping for or other ev's hardly anything are actually comparable with the demon and lucid. Only real thing they share are they're quick from factory pricing, power plant, drivetrain etc have nothing in common 🤷‍♂and even living with on a daily basis ev's are different than gas cars.

[@QuanPookie]

No fans of gas powered cars period.

[@lehlohonolo.aubreymthimkhu3663]

Camisa is legendary. Absolutely agree with almost all things motoring he say and the way he does it. I think Camisa ,Doug de mouro and Mat Watson and the other Jason from engineering explained would make something more special if not just as good as Hammond, May and Jennifer. More content needed Camisa. You're an Icon in motoring. Great production and delivery, world class entertainment that is factual and mostly non biased. props legend

[@lgunderso2117]

Jason^2, randy, and the throttle house guys should do more collabs. Same brilliant energy, amazing senses of humor.

[@KP-xi4bj]

The Demon never stood a chance. LOL

[@aaronmiller5012]

Not even a roll race?

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@aaronmiller5012 Nope.

[@GP22E]

@@aaronmiller5012yeah a roll and a half mile demon wouldve out performed it, electric cars a quick but not fast

[@thefailurecook6907]

@@GP22E 210+ mph isn’t fast!?!?!?

[@GDM22]

@@GP22E You are kidding yourself, the Lucid does around 215mph.

[@SmokyGLI]

If top gear America had Jason from Hagerty, and James and Thomas from Throttle house, Top gear America would still be here. These three men are the best automobile host since Jeremy, May, and Hammond. Absolutely the best in automotive journalism!

[@johnsanko4136]

I figured the all wheel drive would be a big factor for the Lucid but holy smokes.

[@BigKandRtv]

Knowing how quick the 170 is, and watching it be gapped by a train length is ridiculous.

[@aaronmiller5012]

@@BigKandRtvWould the same thing happened if these two did a roll race?

[@emojack]

@@aaronmiller5012 with the amount of power those 2 cars have? Yes, definitely. With 300hp street cars not, but ev traction control is a different ball game then ice tc. And with those power numbers awd traction + better traction control the lucid will smoke the 170 in a roll race just the same. Top speed/oval might be different - but the low cog of the lucid might make it a lot faster there as well

[@ionbotnaru862]

This is for real the ultimate drag race. Thank you Jason and team, from Moldova 🇲🇩 )))

[@C1CB10]

The first seven minutes went like a 30 seconds! outstanding montage brilliant.

[@tranjen]

1/2 mile roll race? Dodge vs Lucid. Love to see that!

[@JayRSwan]

Lucid still wins by a even bigger gap as the car goes 205 and the 170 is a drag car with a 152 top speed.

[@Frostfly]

The Lucid has the best trunk i've ever seen...that's so cool!

[@CheezeCracker]

Functional, cool execution, yes, does it make the rear end ugly, yes also.

[@jamesengland7461]

That lid opening will give you a headache.

[@CrappyCar]

Amazing video from the Hagerty team. Stay safe out there folks! On the road, behind your keyboard, and while touching grass.

[@reik2006]

the production quality is incredible

[@pupadhyay30]

This is the most epic video i have ever seen, hats off to the entire team, this is the kind of KZbin i support. Love and great appreciation from India

[@04m6gto]

Another epic video! Jason and Anthony, please never stop doing what makes you great and what makes us happy. Thanks!