Ford Ranger Raptor Suspension Deep Dive and RTI Test | Car and Driver

[@arghone]

Came to see Raptor driving up a ramp, left with a degree in trigonometry. Thank you sir, stellar effort.

[@joshuaherman3487]

That board makes me think you're an old-school top gear fan. Awesome.

[@TheDogfather6]

Amazing vid! I love detailed vids! As for the front camera you hit the baja button (that's the furthest south one in line with the e-parking brake. It's the long rectangular button with a ranger on tilt with cactus etc drawing. It's under the parking sensor/traction control/auto start buttons) that actually gives you a guidance line for where your front tires are going.

[@Mortalcoil100]

Superb video. This was a much needed video. Thank you for making it.

[@ALMX5DP]

Pretty trick rear end, and love the beefy truss on the rear axle.

[@tobysurmann1936]

First time viewer - GREAT VIDEO!! I also like how you share the actual math to calculate the climb score and explain it for everyone to understand. Keep it up! You’re doing it right!

[@-zerocool-]

Great vide, actually learnt some good stuff in this video thanks!

[@Revenant7n]

Going forward, please unbolt one side of the sway bar so we know how well the suspension's geometry articulates without limitation. It'll also let us know how much is to be gained by replacing it with the disconnecting unit.

[@miked1313]

I believe if you put it in rock crawl mode the camera will show the tire travel so you could go up that ramp a lot easier.

[@Sirbadone]

Holy crap! Is that right? Terrible for the reviewer to miss the fix for his biggest gribe. I was going to tell him to use a canted mirror on a stick he was complaining so much.

[@miked1313]

@@Sirbadone Yes, as an owner I can confirm this.

[@garymiller4616]

@@Sirbadone you don't even need to go to rock crawl, just push the offroad button and the camera changes. works brilliantly

[@rondail5675]

I like coil-overs front and back.

[@paintedbird6791]

Mr. Edmonds. Good to see you reviewing the vehicles. 💪👍

[@nathanklemm179]

Always love the suspension dives Dan! Thanks The rear suspension reminds me of the old dodge Durango’s. Watts links are pretty awesome

[@romeocastillo6244]

what a specefic review, thos is the first time i come across a review with mathematical computation and its very technicaly enlighting!👍

[@R_Tower]

C&D (aka: the editor who runs these ramp tests at his home) has yet to run this test with a 35” package Gen3 Raptor. They have only tested the 37”/R package (which has 1” less suspension travel front and rear)..

[@andrewfehrsen]

My ranger raptor has wheels guides on the front facing camera. Try the ‘off-road button’ behind the gear shift

[@willkaufman363]

Great stuff, Dan!

[@Scuba86]

On your cam view press the + button and you have options to ‘zoom’

[@tanveerahmed1977]

Thanks for this tip! Planning to get a RR soon!!

[@adventureescape1929]

You can select the camera that points right at the wheel.

[@Axiomz06]

Where's your video for the 2023 Colorado ZR2?

[@silentunknown2010]

Youre right about the rear suspension travel position sensor. That thing gets smashed by rocks and pebbles. Here in australia, theres metal guards that you can buy to cover that and after a couple trips through dirt roads and the metal guard is bare metal, the coating on it has been sand blasted. Haha

[@rondail5675]

I have never been a Ford guy but I want one of these! Same color shown also. ( I am on my second Ridgeline Black Edition. Maybe time for change)

[@patricktrier4503]

Same here. Never thought I would order a Ford but I sure did for this one

[@uandme41]

I’m curious how this compares to raptor diesel suspension exactly. Good clear material

[@michaelraposa1889]

Ford knows how to make a truck these are favorites all over the world

[@alanmay7929]

who doesnt know how to make a truck??? lol

[@tbm275]

My hope would be maybe an option for next year for the disconnecting sway bar. Hell the TRD OFF ROAD Tacoma has it optional, and as mentioned it's the same platform as the Bronco so no reason why they can't add it in. I wouldn't even care about articulation as much as i would like it for rough road conditions, just disconnect the bar and let the suspension work freely over rough roads to hiking trails and such.

[@pavansai9066]

Do the same test on Lexus GX550 Overtrail edition with KDSS

[@Jay-me7gw]

Im excited to see this as well. Hoping its up in the 600's like the 200 series was.

[@pavansai9066]

@@Jay-me7gw Expecting the same.Because it has KDSS unlike LX600.But LX600 has quite good score without it.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@pavansai9066 I believe the LX 570 was also in the 600s without KDSS. Even though it has normal sway bars, they’re pretty soft because the AHC system is capable of providing roll resistance via the shocks I had KDSS on my GX 460 and I didn’t love it. It was great when you were slow crawling, but when you were driving faster on dirt roads and it was locked up, it made the ride really rough. My F150 with the front sway bar disconnected Rode much better than my GX did and it only took me about three minutes to disconnect the bar before I would go off-road.

[@ROC805]

You where in the wrong front camera mode... trail mode has your tyre location

[@benjaminbrown7127]

and baja right?

[@ROC805]

@@benjaminbrown7127 it will come up in any offroad mode

[@benjaminbrown7127]

cool @@ROC805

[@uandme41]

But you still dont see the sides of the car. Actually I would prefer the side cameras to show forward not backward, then this issue would be solved

[@omg_stoppit]

At 4:11, is that cracking where the LCA bolts to the chassis? Or is that a coating peeling off?

[@paulcabinatan2390]

So much surface rust for such a new truck. I get it’s not much effect, but just looks so bad

[@Batolocor22]

I noticed that too for a new truck

[@MrCovert23]

Terrible quality

[@freedomisntfree_44]

It’s only sat outside for a year

[@christomagi3722]

😲my 18 yr old gx boat 🛥️ tower looks waaaay less corroded 😅

[@ALMX5DP]

It’s not a big deal in my mind, but yeah curious how this looks versus my 2015 F-150 which seems to have less despite a number of pretty wet winters.

[@patricktrier4503]

Great video! I wonder if they make an aftermarket sway bar disconnect that could bring that number up?

[@fullhd1080]

Trail mode brings up the tire threads.

[@peyeye]

The second generation of the Dodge Durango also has a watts system in the rear suspension

[@AntoRadman]

Good video

[@JoeMoutard]

When the tires stick out past the flares, they kick mud and rocks at the body side. It would be better if they just use the software to add virtual tire path to the camera view.

[@craiglamar8929]

Does anyone know the RTI scores for the Hummer EV truck and SUV?

[@hotshtsr20]

The 3rd member axle is interesting. Thought an 8.8 was under it for certain.

[@Ramblin_Rob]

Be nice to see the mid-sized standard trim RTI's

[@Sulfonic21]

Cool video, love to see the details of the components bolted to the frame, I work at the plant (a Magna Division) that builds the frame for Ford. The frames are waxed on the inside.

[@ALMX5DP]

Their frames are waxed on the inside? I presumed their E-coating was applied to both inside and outside (using a dipping process)?

[@Sulfonic21]

Yeah they are fully e-coated first then put through a separate line, frame by frame and waxed.

[@kennethtobierre7278]

I'd like to see the colorado zr2 bison is exactly the same as the regular zr2

[@gregoryjames7976]

Saw this on their website. Great video for motor heads. Well,, suspension guys…..

[@doolittlegeorge]

So not an expert but i think the two aspects of an off road suspension are "lift" or "compression" in keeping all 4 tires grounded whilst on uneven ground which i think is being tested here but i can't tell and the other is "rebound"or ability of a suspension system to unsprung itself in a controlled manner to again keep all 4 wheels set upon the ground as the "compression" is released. To test these systems i think the manufacturer runs over rumble strips that are offset such that the vehicle maintains "level flight" shall we say rather than being thrown around inside the cabin of your vehicle or worse having the vehicle itself "pitched" to one side then the other. It is remarkable all of this is done mechanically tho absolutely and not with aid of an air bag system or whatever crazy space age stuff Tesla uses. Point being as a still licensed Class A Truck Driver when you hit the brakes at speed a massive vehicle such as this already high off the ground as is will inevitability literally become airborne especially as the weight distribution is almost all on the front end of the vehicle. Creating i guess i would call this a very well thought out "dampening effect" would in theory greatly mitigate this "lift/lofte-ing" which i also think is tested by the manufacturer by sudden braking at speed to zero upon a very watery or even puddled surface. Long story short should be very good at towing and hauling but again something easy to validate along with of course engine, powertrain, unladen versus laden etc. Definitely have seen very surprising flaws with the new Toyota Tacoma so how this mid size shoot out between Ford, GM and Toyota will be interesting to see. Given current prices I'd still just buy a full sized truck instead but hey, "this is 'merica!" so absolutely no accounting for that.

[@boostav]

Where's the video for the Bronco RTI test?

[@AntoRadman]

He looks like Jurgen Klopp. Liverpool coach

[@sorayaannRG]

Im posting this without reading the comments. Don’t you get a trail camera for wheel direction?

[@jgelliot]

If you clicked that options button, it has a dedicated tire camera (from the mirrors point of view)

[@TheTurboadict]

Switch the mode and it will give you the tire guidelines on the screen

[@shouryasinghranawat_]

You talked good about upper control arm position in Land Cruiser and bad in this truck why?

[@paulb5390]

Why did the Rubicon get tested with the sway bar connected?

[@montechie]

Not sure why he didn't list it, but in his JTR video it scored 607 disconnected, higher than everything else on this list.

[@dbeckMSP]

General knowledge question: Why does a differential need a breather? Why can’t it just be sealed so no water can get in from fording?

[@ousyan5895]

Usually because the big difference in temperature and thus pressure could cause the seals to not operate properly and eventually have oil leaks. Some people use piping and bring all the breathers to a certain height, so that water cant get in

[@greg.ocallaghan]

Surely someone will make manual swaybar disconnect links?

[@สมอทรัพย์พร้อม-ฬ4ฆ]

Very good

[@PeakDecline]

Well... I find that underwhelming. .Because I am comparing against "last generation." That's what I owned. I had a 2019 Colorado ZR2, a Gladiator Rubicon now. And I'm looking at the new wave of mid-size trucks for off-road purposes and well... I'm keeping my Gladiator. I also like physical buttons for my lockers.

[@randalsweeting661]

Does the suspension look more like the plan broncos and not like the bronco raptor? Id like to see that compared

[@keithhunt3437]

Ranger raptor has 2.5 in fox shocks instead of 3in for wheel travel (as per what the engineer said) also has watslink instead of pan hard like the 150 raptor and bronco raptor

[@commbubba1990]

don't bigger tires lower RTI? old tacoma's, rangers, colorado's had 31's as stock tire size.

[@Jay-me7gw]

I dont know why it would unless they had to limit uptravel for the larger tire.

[@PeakDecline]

@@Jay-me7gw Unfortunately that's exactly what many of the OEMs do to fit a larger tire.

[@arnolnn4008]

In this time MPG is important. What is the MPG for this Raptor?

[@kalebkukawski2820]

16 city, 18 highway

[@4mbii979]

do the 2024 nissan frontier pro4x

[@beowulfgrendel24]

If you hit the offroad camera it would have given you a tire guide

[@fvandeventer]

Get an Ineos Grenadier to do the RTI test

[@Jeepingshort]

Blows the new Tacoma out of the water in every way.

[@Batolocor22]

489 with disconnected bar 2024 tacoma

[@02PSU]

Going to test a Nissan Frontier Pro 4X?

[@twinturbo3470]

Look at the rust/ corrosion on the steel knuckle already

[@killercan10]

Normal. You could walk through a dealerlot at most any of the OEM's plants and find this on brand new vehicles right now. Ford, GM, Stellantis, Toyota, Nissan, etc.

[@dannypate7333]

Is it ranger raptor or rainbow raptor

[@sinepari9160]

So, just like the big raptor, everything is special, and when something breaks, it takes 4 months for parts.

[@rrkr57k]

You're resting the vehicle on the edges of the control arms. Thank heavens for press vehicles

[@M1911jln]

80+ lbs for the mounted tires? Oof. My back hurts just thinking about rotating those tires. One request: please put your ramp test result board in the video description or in a pinned comment. I can’t read your result board on screen.

[@xiaxiong9197]

Lower and upper control arms look small and weak. I’m afraid they might break when hardcore off roading.

[@killercan10]

What's crazy on the RTI board is that the 2023 Colorado Trail Boss is only 5 points under the new Raptor.

[@jeepgibby]

Im no suspension expert but that UCA looks tiny and weak. My 98 tacos is beefier than that. I kinda expect more froma baby raptor but who know maybe it works just fine on jumps🤷‍♂️

[@o0westwood0o]

My discovery 2 has a watts link and requires nothing more than new springs and longer shocks for a lift, nothing special

[@Propelled]

I see fragility and complexity here. You won’t see 37” tires on this truck.

[@josepatino1452]

Still hate the calipers fords uses.

[@nicktwentyfive]

I thought I was the only one 😂

[@ImportImageRacing]

212 miles and that rear sensor you mentioned already came unplugged by itself 😅. Looks like we’re gonna have to use some heavy duty duct tape and find a better solution.

[@electrikoptik]

The 200-series is stil the king. It had a score of 661 making it the highest scoring vehicle that Dan tested. Yes, I'm aware wheelbase plays a role in determining the score.

[@HarryKuloh]

What is a 200 series? A lend cruiser?

[@electrikoptik]

@@HarryKuloh Yes, the 200-series Land Cruiser with KDSS.

[@Jeepingshort]

In the real world that flex wouldn’t translate very well. You’d be lifting tires way more than a solid axle rig. . Also, the rubicon wrangler would do better on his RTI ramp.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@Jeepingshort I think the Wrangler Rubicon did do better on this ramp. He used to have it listed. I wanna say it was over 700.

[@silvestrocrino3256]

Yep...math still gives me a headache.

[@Aaron_Voltz]

I wonder if Ford would make a Bronco Sport Raptor & a Maverick Raptor 😄 since this Ranger is now the baby Raptor Maybe push the mirror forward for more ramp visibility

[@MrHand-ih4sz]

That's like making a Prius Raptor.

[@Aaron_Voltz]

@@MrHand-ih4sz There's a Maverick Tremor. Wouldn't take much more to make it a Raptor. Fox shocks, bigger "factory" tires & longer CV axles for increased suspension travel. Lastly, the Bronco Sport & Maverick would need actual skid plates instead of compressed fabric.

[@ROC805]

Rhe surface rust must be a US thing... my Raptor in Australia has none... everything is coated from factory... you guys miss out on a lot of things and get a rear window to make up for it... you guys got shafted...

[@MrHand-ih4sz]

Thats a Ranger? Looks like a Maverick. 😂😅😂😅

[@lorenzotelleria4200]

443 is kinda disappointing from a raptor

[@P51]

that door slam sounded SO cheap!

[@Jay-me7gw]

I noticed this too! When he got out while on the ramp @19:12. It was like metal on metal

[@bricks-mortar]

Have had 5th Generation Ranger XLT for almost a year, zero problems, never been back to dealer. Basic truck components are solid. Despite, Ford having used manufacturing cost cutting measures TO AN EXTREME DEGREE, tape, plastic and rubber, the vehicle will last way beyond warranty - Same, as last Ford I had, which I believe Ford used a bit of spit in manufacturing process.

[@musa_8014]

Alt taşıyıcı takımında zayıf aliminyum kullanılmış yetmez gibi paslar hemen başlamış yakında dökülür ford olur lord aha aha😂

[@chrisb9478]

Rusty underneath when new, plastic oil & transmission pans with plastic oil drain plug, plus all of Fords recalls. Nope

[@Kenneth_R]

That upper control arm looks very very weak.

[@ALMX5DP]

I don’t think upper control arms experience near as much load as other components so not sure what that is based on.

[@Revenant7n]

It only sees loads in the horizontal planes and has leverage on those loads. The trucks have been beat to hell and the arm can handle it.

[@tgkg]

Kinda shitty Ford cheaped out on the brake caliper.

[@dannyrexknight]

First