BOTH BROKEN!! | Rockford Fosgate T1000X5AD + T1S1-10

[@rockfordfosgate]

I know this was posted in August, but we're just seeing this in our timeline... From the video, it looks like a possible short with the subwoofer ... either debris in the voice coil gap from cutting metal, wire strands, or even a product defect. Most likely this was a short in the terminal or on a tinsel lead. As for the amp failing... the noise sounded like the power supply caps exploding after the sub channel failed. A dead short at low volume over an extended period of time is the worst case scenario. If this was somehow at the level right before the protection kicked in, and stayed there for a while, it would result in this worst possible condition. We know this happens in the install bay and Rockford Fosgate tests for this extensively. As with any strange issues (and this definitely qualifies) be sure to get the product back in the hands of your rep and ultimately to Directed Australia, the authorized Rockford Fosgate distributor for NZ. We'd like to examine the product to determine what the failure was and feed this back to our quality control department. Car Audio Etc. has been a great representative of Rockford Fosgate in NZ, and we're really proud of the quality of work done at your shop. Keep up the good work!

[@caraudioetc]

+Rockford Fosgate thanks guys I love your product and continue to recommend all of including theee products to everyone I meet. We sent the products back to our supplier and they determined that the subwoofer had a manufacturing defect as it appeared that the spider had been laid incorrectly and was off by some angle allowing the tinsel leads to be touching the basket of the subwoofer. Obviously with the subwoofer being mounted on metal this put a dead short on the amplifiers subwoofer channel. Why the protection circuits didn’t kick in I am still unsure. They could not diagnose the amp as they were unsure how to dismantle it. I believe it is with our suppliers still here in Auckland New Zealand if you are wanting to have a look at it I can connect you with them. Good work with all the new products and website guys I am really looking forward to seeing more in depth footage of the DSR1. James

[@rockfordfosgate]

Thank You James! Definitely appreciate your meticulous documentation of this issue, and we sincerely apologize for the delay in your install bay. I'm confident your local rep fed this back to Directed Australia, your parent distributor. Also appreciate the confidence with the new website as I was fortunate enough to be a part of the 5 member team that made that happen. We have more content coming for the DSR1 including an RTTI training for installers. -Eric R.

[@gabeulrickson2496]

Rockford Fosgate I really appreciate seeing this response from Fosgate. I've always liked Fosgate products.

[@lankyeric]

I've recently been turned to RF products.. and I love them.. took out my bose system in my avalanche and put in t25 in rear and t26 in front components.. and the t400x4ad... and just reading your comment on him blowing it and y'all refunding makes me know I bought the right product. I've been burned a few times on the installer blowing my amps/speakers and they tell me I'm sol and I need to buy new stuff. Cheers to you RF. I will stick with you in all my vehicles

[@mattm3843]

I've always bought Rockford fosgate I collect Rockford fosgate and from experience I dont play around below 2 ohms I own the t1000x5ad it is one of the sweetest amps ever.

[@malexander9146]

Wow...Sorry for the loss dude It's ironic that just before it goes...someone on the radio asks what's that smoke 23:44

[@ljmike1204]

heard it to

[@FiveStarCarStereoInc]

i have had that happen with door speakers, but never subs. Totally sucks!

[@wax333]

that soundstream amp also made that same sound when you disconnected the power btw.

[@abrahamiqbal100]

Hey mate thanks for going to the effort of making all of your videos, I use to watch soundman for this type of content and since he has started his new style, I was disappointed but still enjoyed it, you have filled the gap in my life, great to see this kind of content

[@AndrewHellyer]

thanks for these vids - I'm in the process of doing this on my Audi right now and each time i get exhausted, i come and watch again and gives me motivation to keep going!

[@garypoole5841]

Hey James that rattle issue with the rear shelf tray can b taken care of by getting single side self stick foam weather stripping that usually comes in a roll or two from your local hardware store. The gray color should b close enough it would barely be noticeable if at all by sticking it to the plastic area of the third brake light so when you reinstall the tray the foam strip will smash against the rear glass instead of the plastic. I use it on almost every car when having the exact same rattling issue and can also b painted to match interior color,just give plenty of dry time since the foam will be saturated with paint until completely dry.

[@garypoole5841]

Damn guess I should've watched the whole video before commenting.lol. Works every time though.

[@juhoqqeli]

I hope your channel will grow BIG, I love your videos, cheers from cold Finland

[@Reiscakes79]

I just want to say to everyone out there when you’re using a subwoofer in a free-air environment like this, it’s VERY EASY to overpower the subwoofer. Normally in a free-air environment a subwoofer’s max power handling drops sufficiently because there is no back pressure like when the sub is installed into an enclosure. It’s very easy to push a subwoofer beyond its limits in this situation.

[@nikosraptis1985]

My soundstream class D amp did that noise when i was trying to adjust the gains by the multimeter ! There was no speakers connected of coure . Wasn't that loud though but there was a small tiny noise coming through the amp same like this rockford before explode ! My amp still going but im not very sure for the reliability !

[@sickjohnson]

I had a old punch 200m amp that ran for 15 years...but then it started on fire. So I am not surprised.

[@one85db]

There is a good explanation for why the sub wasn't as loud. It is because the positive half of the audio signal was going straight to ground and you were only hearing the negative half of the signal, effectively making it half the volume. My guess is that the positive tinsel lead was touching the metal of the basket where the spider meets the basket, perhaps the spider was upside down.

[@caraudioetc]

one85db yea I figured this out after finding out what was wrong with the sub.

[@N8tron22]

Hey the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car!

[@konamiscode8727]

How's the heat management on that amp, i read some reviews where customers where complaining that it gets really hot even with the fans running, and sometimes will shut off. ? Killer video man

[@ajmopar]

What is the head unit you are using

[@watts300]

I enjoyed seeing the troubleshooting. Thanks for including that in the video instead of editing it out.

[@dankline9664]

I now want my next sub to be a RF. Happy to hear they worked together to fix the mistake. Great Teamwork. Cheers from U.S.

[@kswis]

Only after blowing subs have I gotten cont, from frame to terminal. That's too bad, decent sub n rockford is great but everyone has a warranty percentage

[@ezequielparra1854]

Hey man, any cheap component set you know of that consists of an 8" midrange? Trying to put a 3 way system in my doors to remove the stock woofers but the ones I've seen go over $1000 US dollars! Any ideas would be great thanks!

[@ethan4108]

_ REDGTCS the Rockford Fosgate punch pro series

[@kevind5255]

how much does this headunit costs ? and whats the full name and model name ?

[@ethan4108]

On the birth sheet of that amp, did all of the areas say pass like they normally do or did it fail any of them

[@laurantsmccloskey5927]

🤣😂🤣

[@endall39]

Regardless of what happened to the sub (whether it fried on its own, or you accidentally grounded it out) you would certainly think the Rockford amp would have sufficient internal protection circuitry to avoid that result. I have to admit, the possibility of grounding the sub occurred to me when you were talking about bolting through the deck and sub. I didn't follow that carefully on how you actually attached to baffle/deck/sub, but I should have commented on that at the time. Don't stress on it. Shit happens and you move on.

[@ljmike1204]

i had a p400x2 die on me the amp died with out it clipping or what ever even had a power cap to make sure it gets enough power afther they repaired it i went to the installer got every thing checked out worked great 30 min later it nuked itself again now i removed the powercap it works great

[@L-G-V]

I just installed this amp with the pioneer 4200NEX. When i set my gains I dont get anywhere near max like you did on this install.. Mine all red light at about 3 oclock at 30 on the volume. What;s the deal? Does this model radio really clip at that?? ugh

[@L-G-V]

Not to mention it cost twice as much as the model you have.. lol .. I looked it up and your head unit isnt a U.S model.. go figure

[@caraudioetc]

+Robert Carlson when you were tuning were you using the test cd that came with the amp and also were all of your sound settings on flat?

[@caraudioetc]

+Robert Carlson also 3 o’clock on the dial is about 80% gain. That’s actually quite high and means that your head units rca outputs aren’t very high voltage. When I installed this amp in this car and mine, the gains only went up to about 50% before it clipped on the output.

[@rutbuster17]

are rockford fosgate 6x9's any good was thinking of getting some for my car

[@UpInYourFeelings]

blake holmes yes, can't go wrong with RF.

[@codythomas1768]

Remember the soundstream amp making the noise it made when it turned off? I believe it was your first indication something was wrong

[@caraudioetc]

Cody Thomas I'm pretty sure that was just due to me abruptly cutting power to the amp, cheap amps do weird things like that.

[@madtubbs22]

No not max volume on the hu. Pioneer usually distorts around vol 37-38. I always set the amp gain with pioneer on vol 35 to be on the safe side All flat on the hu ant test where it distort with the smd on the rca. Test all of them Then set the amps Nice work by the way

[@ethan4108]

Ubbe Hedlund my pioneer deck goes up to 61/62 without distorting according to the clean technology

[@ljmike1204]

i have a pioneer it did not clip i drive with volume around 35-40

[@caraudioetc]

Ubbe Hedlund this stereo the Pioneer AVH-X8850bt can go to max volume and not distort on either 1khz or 40hz. You can see this when I go back to check the amp and the input clip led is not turned on. Different pioneer models will have different clipping points.

[@timmturner]

My Pioneer head unit doesn't distort the subwoofer line-out until 42, never tested the speaker outs since they are only 17 watts unamplified running 65 watt RMS Punch separates. You can't group all Pioneer head units based on your limited sampling, there are literally hundreds of different models in use.

[@Watchingyou-daily]

I have seen that happen when the RCA's are not covered and can short across each other.

[@jimmorrison3042]

not sure why ANYONE would hand a sub under rear deck and run it freeair(no enclosure) thats some weak thinking for an install! but still sucks to see gear smoke heres where and when you find out how good a brand is! When they try and blame defect due to improper install or will they man up and give you the benefit of the doubt ??

[@jimmorrison3042]

hang a sub not hand!

[@ethan4108]

The customer wanted the sub to be mounted there and it is sealed from the trunk to the cabin

[@ljmike1204]

i had the repair shop blaming me they said bad power bad ground or clipping witch never happend i went to the instal store to get it checked out put the repaired amp in with him every thing went great tested with volume at 50 i drove away volume at 35 and not even 30 minuts on the highway it fucking died again this time he was sure we did nothing wrong so i got a brand spanking new one funny part the new one did not come with the torc bit and mounting screws :P

[@halifaxmax5039]

Plenty of subs can run free-air/baffled through the rear deck. The original ran that way. The basket and coil should be isolated from each other, not a circuit. That seems like a manufacturer defect.

[@caraudioetc]

In my other videos I explained that that's where the Customer wants it and I said I would give it a go. Also it was actually sounding really good! Like way better than I expected, so lack of enclosure is not a problem.

[@randomtube8226]

Was that RF Power line sub and amp? 😲

[@alphaomega8373]

What head unit is that?

[@savionsmith7418]

Maybe that ss amp turn off noise was foreshadowing ;)

[@alecblackburn9831]

I thought that too!!

[@MrTLMH]

23:40 that face you make when the Aliens invade.. classic Kiwi "Fuuuck"

[@mytruckinlifeace4047]

That sucks because it would have to happen on the car from hell. Well on the bright side Rockford stands behind their gear. I can't even really understand what went wrong.

[@suazzz3070]

U seem like a good installer

[@gooniesykes9206]

so its wise to put a subwoofer in a cabinet,

[@aaron44ornelas]

Shoulda used biger gage wire

[@DetrellOfATL]

Man I've had all kinds of defects even from the best don't feel bad.

[@robbisson6506]

Not sure this was a defect...

[@kennethblackburn8756]

I don't like seeing this happen to anyone. I've been there. I think maybe you just assumed it was the crappy Soundstream amp making the noise the other day...a normally safe assumption. Hopefully the RF supplier determines it was defect so the shop can get its money back on them. Now I'm scared to put in my P2D4-10 LOL

[@gabeulrickson2496]

Kenneth Blackburn BTW did you ever put it in and yes they replied to the video and offered him a replacement

[@gabeulrickson2496]

Kenneth Blackburn Rf told explained some things and said to take it back to the rep who sold it to him and ultimately back to Directed Australia, which is apparently the distributor for RF products from New Zealand so... Yeah I fully stand with RF products now

[@JesseJames83]

this was a really entertaining episode! Thanks for the drama RF

[@derekrichardson8221]

Bad day of trouble shooting you did a great job hunting down your problem. It's happened many times to me and with different product brands.Just part of the job with electronics unfortunately.

[@bmw-e30]

Amazing how much can be learned from a fault.

[@mrbassmarc6715]

We work at the same place but different shop i know him but he doesnt even know me hes a good installer if you wud ask me'

[@davecoopernz]

Timeline 24.03 that reaction is GOLD LOL hahahaha

[@pimphandgamester]

I had plans on getting this amp, been reading it gets really hot and then I see it blew here...guess all the advancements to make so much power in such a small chassis needs more time to mature. Guess I'll look into some other 5 channel amps.

[@caraudioetc]

+Pimphand Gamester I have this amp in my car, and installed it in quite a small air cavity. It was getting relatively warm after lengthy use so I added some fans sucking and blowing air in the same direction as its internal fans and even though it still gets mildly warm to the touch, I have run it at high volumes for long periods of time with no issues. Check out the video in my Project Legacy playlist where I install fans and you will see what I mean. I definitely rate them as a good amp.

[@jeremiahhodge7723]

Props u werr all over that. I wouldve assumed amp fried from 1 speaker n sub being hooked. ohms not correct.

[@eefjevandeven1]

first time for everyting don't worry shake it off and goin futher :)

[@brianpatterson7034]

Shit like that sometimes happens in are world😫

[@Highqman1974]

I like how you left all the french fries and garbage intact when you put the seat back....lol

[@timmturner]

Car Audio.etc Fosgate will likely warranty both but the dead amplifier is your fault for not testing the subwoofer for resistance and continuity prior to installing. I know you tested it with a different amp and I would have thought it was good to go, it would have been my fault as well. You will test in the future, something good came from this incident. Don't lose faith in Rockford Fosgate, their amplifiers are the best. Their subwoofers are good but certainly better subs exist, the V.A.S.T design is terrible and prone to premature failure. I hope you get good news from warranty.

[@caraudioetc]

T Turner I do love Rockford Fosgate and always will. This has in no way dampened my faith in their product. I don't however think it is the buyer or installers responsibility to test the functionality of all brand new products, especially from a brand this good. I have never seen a subwoofer with a constant short from the coil to the basket so In all honesty I wouldn't have even of thought to check for that. The fault wouldn't have even been found if I had put it in a box is what really makes me think though, who knows how many people put there with subwoofers in enclosures have voice could that are shorted to the basket and don't know about it. Also the amp really really should have gone into protect mode the moment it detected a short.

[@crb19961]

Grant face reveal? And the shitstream is still alive, after the abuse? Today's episode was intense.

[@mikeallen4200]

I could never take advice from a fellow wearing a "Lightning Audio" beanie.......

[@laurantsmccloskey5927]

This was a very disappointing video. I was looking forward to seeing that car pound out some tunes...I have that amp myself actually. It's probably the best amp I've ever installed in anything my entire career....

[@TheMendezWay]

does your amp get hot? I just installed the same amp a week ago and it seems abnormally hot, hotter than any amp I've ever installed

[@laurantsmccloskey5927]

Yes it does run hot, but never shuts down so don't worry about it. Just don't mount it somewhere where it's got no room around it to suck in air

[@smsno1]

its ok. in james we trust

[@cesar7519]

best intro ive ever seen lmao FUCK

[@williamwest8924]

DAMN IT !!!!!!!

[@DDP73]

that noise wouldnt happen with a rockford.... hahahahahaha sorry mate

[@ljmike1204]

when mine p400x2 died i heard nothing even smelled nothing but the second time i smelled it

[@caraudioetc]

DavidPurviance I'm confused The noise DID happen and both the sub and amp ARE Rockford...

[@DDP73]

I was laughing because what you said at the same noise in the previous video. I enjoy your videos, thank you

[@Joker__1984]

Whaaaaaat!!!

[@plutobauer]

Rockford Fosgate... Sounding shitty, and poor service Forever.

[@ljmike1204]

rockford syfty systems suck balls i blown a p400x2 for no reason i did not clip it had a 10mm power wire and a 10mm ground wire rated for a 500W amp only drawing 400w

[@caraudioetc]

ljmike1204 nothing blows for no reason man.

[@timmturner]

Car Audio.etc he had one amp blow, they must all suck....including the two I have pounded for 6 and 10 years respectively :/