Cardinal Conversations: Reid Hoffman and Peter Thiel on "Technology and Politics"

[@MultiWolfxxx]

Peter Thiel is one of the few people that understands the real danger of having somebody decide for society what is allowed or proper and what is not. That road is a very very scary one if you choose it.

[@philanthropicnightmare1206]

Not only scary but slippery.

[@mrshah2043]

It's scary how smart Peter Theil is.

[@zink5664]

Looks like a hobbit

[@ebrelus7687]

Enlightment about obvious reality is always stunning. It is like a citizen of North Korea leaving it and being pushed into a free world, the more scary world where you are responsible for your actions, where you compete, when you do hard decissions personally and nobody can help you.

[@gautampandey3519]

Thiel is so far ahead of his Silicon Valley peers in terms of original thinking

[@ladura5421]

says the guy in the million maga march

[@SpiritLeash]

"I prefer a cure for cancer" OHHHHHH!!! Peter killed it there at the end.

[@Notrocketscience101]

Skip to 12:25 to get to what you came for.

[@HannanAlisyntacticspi]

But the initial remarks are really good. I recommend listening to them.

[@RSCa3218]

Thank you. The SJW BS at the start almost made me turn this off.

[@andrecostin1288]

Recommended for sure. That intro virtue signalling made me throw up in my mouth a bit🤢

[@chrisc7265]

this man is the new Schindler, he saved 3000 of my brain cells from being genocided

[@MANJEET19891189]

i was looking for your comment only!! thanks

[@filmerd]

The ending sums it up. Peter has had his argument thought out in his head for over a decade and has been advocating for it. He knows his position. All I hear from Reid are questions about "the true nature of reality" and getting to the bottom of true and false. Peter has the clearly defined viewpoint. The left has to decide where it stands.

[@mac94312]

The battle of the Peters: Thiel vs Griffin

[@MrJasnotron]

"Would you be friends if you met today" I bet I could answer that. Peter would be up for it but Reid wouldn't. How can I guess that ? My own experience in our current polarized society.

[@ConsueloCastanuela]

Don’t now Reid Hoffman and based on your comments I’m not missing much. Kudos to Stanford on BRINGING BACK genuinely diversity of THOUGHT to the university.. WHAT a concept.

[@player1111ful]

Peter Thiel 2020

[@TesterBoy]

God forbid!

[@subscribeorsus6862]

More like 2024

[@richardparker123]

Now THIS is a panel :) Good work (like always), Hoover Institution!

[@ryanendersmith]

The good stuff starts at 12:25

[@xanthirudha]

I always find it mindblowing that LinkedIn , KZbin, Tesla, PayPal ...etc were once in the same room. Like to think of it , what are the odds?

[@seanpierre1338]

more likely than unlikely

[@nicetrymate813]

yeah the paypal mafia are a really strange part of the matrix

[@telemarq7481]

Thumbs up for Thiel

[@stevengarrett6229]

Comparing these 2 ...Thiel is a polymathical triple PHD and Hoffman is a college freshman. I would pay to hear Thiel and I would pay Hoffmann to just shut up. He is a lightweight.

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

Hoover institute have some of the best debates.

[@Deepak_Tao]

Make America great again is very offensive to Silicon valley..What a point!

[@nicetrymate813]

Peter Thiel's point on slumlords is really interesting.

[@vk-id8vu]

collective truth ? what if "collective truth" is actually a collective lie ?

[@TheJpwzrd]

1:26:00 Peter is asked how he connected with fly-over states. Because he is smart.

[@listener523]

"makes Gamergate look tame " renting space in their heads since '16.....

[@nbme-answers]

16:01 peter speaks 12:25 first question (to reid) how about we skip the 17-minute intros and give that time to hearing more peter? thanks!

[@MidnightRambler]

endless intro's!

[@philanthropicnightmare1206]

Peter is like a mentat from Dune haha

[@senselessnothing]

Claiming that inequality is advanced is hilarious, everyone has cheap clothing, food, electronics, water, housing(not the best but usually not bad), education, internet(the big one). Wealth unimaginable to everyone 100 years ago is now available to all.

[@BenetbenetLive]

This is an insight into your flawed way of forming and linking ideas and thoughts. You state that inequality cant be advanced because we have nice things. You are not making sense, eighter you dont understand what inequality means or you do but haven't thought about what you're saying.

[@nicetrymate813]

Yes, but only for the developed world.

[@littleboy437]

Peter Thiel thinks clear, nothing scary

[@albeit1]

Considering diverse perspectives is essential. Considering and then dismissing perspectives that advocate NOT allowing diverse perspectives is also essential.

[@WildcatTofu]

I don't got it. Did Reid Hoffman make a personal attack at Peter on 53:00?

[@movement2contact]

No.

[@philanthropicnightmare1206]

If one of them was rude during this discussion, it was definitely Reid.

[@donhansen1175]

The role of government in zoning laws is central..There is no doubt about it. Immigration without zoning adjustment puts unnatural pressure on whole populations. It may force women who would rather raise children to not do so. Don

[@paideia-e9u]

And therefore, for the sake of humanity and immortality, according to the Ancient Chinese Secret Wisdom Tradition, what are the five kinds of richest, most powerful knowledge, and wisdom that every individual could and should possess? altc, Paideia Academy-Esoteric Society

[@TheJpwzrd]

“Legitimate news organizations are called fake news” 😂 really now? I wonder what Reid thinks about “peaceful protesters”

[@Lightningkuriboh]

Ok

[@arcamemnon9193]

Far too short for deep conversations like this. Things were just getting started, the end felt rushed and unnatural. I'd say shoot for 2 hours minimum. Very disappointed in Mr. Thiel on the topic of free speech when hate speech briefly came up. His breathless virtue signalling about not defending hate speech as if it is a crime shows how spineless people in leadership roles have become. You don't have to agree with the hate speech to stand in defense of free speech. After all it's the worst most uncomfortable speech that needs protection, not comfortable speech everyone can accept. If you outlaw hate speech you break the protections freedom of speech grants all of us and it'll then only be a matter of time before government decides speech against a political party or against a policy, or against some other issue important to those in power is hate speech. Defend all speech, even hate speech, by staunchly standing up for and insisting on freedom of all speech any time the topic comes up. Having to listen to the occasional obnoxious hate-monger is a small price to pay to remain free. Allow the public square to ridicule them no need to make any laws against any kind of speech. Remain spineless and virtue signal every time it comes up and it won't be long before laws begin to change.

[@Notrocketscience101]

One must smile at the bloodthirst zelots while they hold the means of communication in their white knuckled clutches.

[@TesterBoy]

Actually they all three are shallow people. Listen to Victor Davis Hanson, Francis Schaffer, C.S. Lewis, Alexander Sholzenitsyn for starters.

[@sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192]

Both studied philosophy. This is indicative in their precise use of language yet boring cadence.

[@sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192]

Thiel needs to put forward new arguments beyond the Stagnation hypothesis -- which I agree with. Hopefully he can point out a new topic lest his own arguments become stagnant.

[@subscribeorsus6862]

Stagnation is the only thing that matters in tech industry though

[@leafhappy]

Peter Thiel it is clearly the case that Food, Medicine, and Shelter (land-use-and-zoning as Thiel says) need to be regulated, as their demand is likely to become inelastic fast in certain conditions that are probabilistically more prevalent. Land-use and Zoning ... how do you propose we fix this?

[@littleboy437]

Reid Hoffman very disappointing

[@markaaronbarrett]

This moderator takes every opportunity to hear himself talk at length. Bud, its not about you.

[@markaaronbarrett]

Great conversation though, really enjoyed the back and forth between the speakers.

[@timwh7467]

Why not just say "diversity of ideas" ? What's with all this race and sexuality stuff? Do black people and gay ppl think differently because they're black or gay? Is being gay or black a different kind of human experience that requires us to take it into consideration when we have an interlectual discussion? And if it is, shouldn't we start investigating the uniqu way these people experience reality? maybe they have super powers.

[@AnacreonSchoolbagsJr]

Because diversity is dangerous; because diversity is dangerous; yes; yes; yes, but with a long stick and gloves

[@timwh7467]

ZOON ARRHETON every individual is a representation of the diversity of humanity, you don't need to group by sex, sexual orientation or ethnicity, especially in this context

[@VORTEX___]

that's exactly what peter thiel points out in his book "myth of diversity" between, there is more diversity within groups than between groups. So the whole concept of getting people who look different in order to get more diverse ideas is invalid

[@RSCa3218]

Kytsche actually it makes perfect sense. It depends on what level of analysis you're working on. If you're talking at the group level, you're necessarily going to have to use low resolution, broad, general terms in order to encapsulate the whole group while remaining truthful and factual. If you dont care about truth or facts then you have more leeway but who wants to build anything based on a non-truth. At the individual level is where the saying "there is always an exception to the rule" is literally played out. That is specifically why individuals within groups are more varied than groups are varied unless you're just being absurd trying to compare apples and banana's.

[@JRobbySh]

Well;,yes. The problem is assigning addition merit to one of the other because they belong to a “protected”group.

[@Allen1029]

Not too many coal miners on LinkedIn I guess.

[@MorphingReality]

Great choice for moderator.

[@grazzitdvram]

How come I'm not surprised at all that Reid referenced gamergate as something horrible...

[@TheJpwzrd]

Polarization, if driven by economics, is entirely a bunch of regulation and spending policies put forth mostly by Democrats. 45% of GDP spent in government. That’s a lot - a whole lot of deadweight.

[@LexDaBigG]

Reid is so horribly boring and incoherent. He's wasting Peter's time

[@anthonylemkendorf3114]

Hoffman offers-same old - same old ,a bore .

[@Skandalos]

Really boring and uninteresting talk. The moderator goes to some length to block every interesting tangent Peter Thiel forks off. And there is hardly any debate. Yet these two guys could hardly be more opposite.

[@philanthropicnightmare1206]

8:12 vantastic

[@rexvalentine9073]

Imagine believing gamer gate

[@taxberrymochi]

Make Australia strong :)

[@j.michaeljefferson60]

They take it for granted that everyone knows who they are and what they have accomplished and they don't give any background information on the subjects being discussed with you.

[@nerdimmunity6690]

Reid Hoffman does nit know what Gamer gate is

[@ebrelus7687]

Peter you dodged the question about hate speech. Hate speech is what offends Liberals. If it offends Reps Liberals media (95% of all media) doesnt categorise it as hate speech.. The same as antisemitism - it is not what is insulting J e w s not being based on facts but what they subjectively consider forbidden to say. BTW you dont even can use the word - because it is cesored. So hate speech is not the problem, the problem is control over objectivity of these who censor free speech and limits it more than it can be tolerated. US constitutaion doesnt know idea of hate speech. So in terms of being American what is the basis to censor anybody in US internet? What true american way, legal way? Isnt censorship the way to ignore constitution? USA is simply not american anymore.

[@555Trout]

Presaged the tech companies rigging 2020.

[@me700gnomes]

Peter Theil is a two-dimensional walking talking advertisement for continued neo-liberal austerity

[@datablack5882]

both Peter Thiel and Reid Hoffman SUPPORT BITCOIN

[@jonkelly2003]

The only source of order is anarchy.

[@jeremiahfig7953]

first

[@hardyje1915]

dude's accent is too much

[@filmerd]

The ending sums it up. Peter has had his argument thought out in his head for over a decade and has been advocating for it. He knows his position. All I hear from Reid are questions about "the true nature of reality" and getting to the bottom of true and false. Peter has the clearly defined viewpoint. The left has to decide where it stands.