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@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
🐈‍⬛🌟💰⚒ Ddecklists: bit.ly/40YojCp
@zachlikeslofi
@zachlikeslofi 11 ай бұрын
Ccardmarket time :D
@Aaackermann
@Aaackermann 11 ай бұрын
I can't copy them in any shape or form...
@ZentoPlays
@ZentoPlays 11 ай бұрын
@@AaackermannThat’s always my problem with their deck lists too. Would love to go and buy decks like these, but it’s hard when you can’t just see the deck together with its price or copy it.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
@@ZentoPlays we're working on devklist integration on the website :)
@ZuNyze
@ZuNyze 11 ай бұрын
@@CardmarketMagic *Ddevklist
@fiacramccluskey2569
@fiacramccluskey2569 11 ай бұрын
Tomer: I have such a cool budget deck Carl: were playing tabernacle at pendril veil
@EDtheIII
@EDtheIII 11 ай бұрын
Tomer must have gotten the "maybe I'm hanging out at the wrong lunch table" vibes when they all joined in excitedly for the 'Clash On!'.
@chadcharest9891
@chadcharest9891 11 ай бұрын
Right? They were so excited.
@solDelta
@solDelta 11 ай бұрын
the way his face lit up as they said it lmao
@vladtodorov4665
@vladtodorov4665 11 ай бұрын
that "can i cast my solemn simulacrum now" line was pure gold :D:D:D Love the commander games
@andreapulvirenti2580
@andreapulvirenti2580 11 ай бұрын
Hello guys! Andrea here. Thank you so much for everything, that was so unexpected ahah. What a fun match to watch.
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
Well done ❤ - thoralf
@kevinthecarpathian
@kevinthecarpathian 11 ай бұрын
Tomer declaring he would go first and then drawing to go last is such a Tomer move
@ConManAU
@ConManAU 11 ай бұрын
23:27 I thought Carl’s dead stare at the camera was trying to say “Oh no, Jamin is dropping half his deck into the table, we’re so dead” but it was so much better than that.
@caseywellington4761
@caseywellington4761 11 ай бұрын
Best moment 😂
@sparkfrog777
@sparkfrog777 11 ай бұрын
Look at his hand around 21:25, he shows it off in a bit of foreshadowing
@18jonathan91
@18jonathan91 11 ай бұрын
love how Carl talked about all the win cons of the deck, and didn't say what his commander was lol
@rileyloux1491
@rileyloux1491 11 ай бұрын
“Can I cast my Solemn Simulacrum now 🥺” easily one of the best deliveries of any line in the video. Wonderful stuff.
@Dragonpike
@Dragonpike 11 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Jamin is the only one that feels so strongly against Carl's choice of dice, 6 and 4 made perfect sense lol
@lordkoopa92
@lordkoopa92 11 ай бұрын
He’s not!! I pop off on my one friend all the time for that
@nathantripathy
@nathantripathy 11 ай бұрын
I think he responded as if Carl had used 3, 3, 1, 2, 1. I will say spin downs and d% are king in commander.
@SeruKgoeszomg
@SeruKgoeszomg 11 ай бұрын
@@lordkoopa92How would you put them then??
@Moetastic
@Moetastic 11 ай бұрын
Its idiotic, using 2 d6 dice is the most effecient way to show that amount of counters and 6+4 is 10. Its beyond weird to get upset over that.
@nathantripathy
@nathantripathy 11 ай бұрын
@@Moetastic You may be overly invested...
@Villakarvarousku
@Villakarvarousku 11 ай бұрын
Honestly 6 and 4 makes perfect sense to me, I think that's how I'd do it
@2LettersSho
@2LettersSho 11 ай бұрын
How to add counters: Step 1. Place a die on your target number or, if it's too small, max it out. Step 2. Repeat Step 1 with additional dice until the target number is reached. That said, modern players using 6, 6, 5, 3 with the 3 ready to be removed is the good stuff.
@Yuzuki1337
@Yuzuki1337 11 ай бұрын
​@@2LettersShoWhen someone does 5-5-5-5 you know you're gonna get Thoughtseized
@joshuafisher1873
@joshuafisher1873 11 ай бұрын
Yeah later in the video Jamin also uses 6 and 1 die in the video lol
@valvohark
@valvohark 11 ай бұрын
Carl getting no draws off the rhystic study at the beginning is the most Carl thing
@aryst0krat
@aryst0krat 11 ай бұрын
The unfortunate thing about Commander is you usually only get to see 1/4 cool decks pop off. I really wanted to see Carl's do its thing!
@XTimTheEnchanterX
@XTimTheEnchanterX 11 ай бұрын
You know someone is doing some broken stuff if a commander video is under an hour
@crapparc
@crapparc 11 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. "Oh, this is going to be another 2 hour video, isn't it?" I thought. Then I saw it. 40 minutes? Oh boy someone's busting out the OP cards.
@CallMeAirChaps
@CallMeAirChaps 11 ай бұрын
Depends on the editing style tbh. I think most commander games would be around this length if you cut out a lot of the talking, searching, shuffling, etc But yea these decks were pretty strong lmao
@brutusthebear9050
@brutusthebear9050 11 ай бұрын
​@@CallMeAirChapsYeah, was gonna say, shuffling adds so much time to commander games because of how big the deck is.
@Nerveroxis
@Nerveroxis 11 ай бұрын
depends on the shuffling technique. If you try to shuffle it like most shuffle a 60 card deck then yes it takes forever@@brutusthebear9050
@jpob5
@jpob5 11 ай бұрын
Its either that or no one had a wipe for the aggro deck
@khengar5517
@khengar5517 11 ай бұрын
PLEASE do a second (or even more) of this episodes
@Qdrew78
@Qdrew78 11 ай бұрын
Truly love this crew, warms my heart how much kindness and warmth flows from such amazing individuals. Thank you so much and have a wonderful weekend :)
@lanibentz9976
@lanibentz9976 11 ай бұрын
*capanna flourishing with wealth* Yawgmoth: “and I took that personally”
@isaakwurth8244
@isaakwurth8244 11 ай бұрын
They got me with the bitterblossom at Home 😂
@Aaackermann
@Aaackermann 11 ай бұрын
eh, I didn't get the refference though. Or is this a real card? I know the bitterblossom but that's it.
@paulomachado7328
@paulomachado7328 11 ай бұрын
@@Aaackermann The card is Dreadhorde Invasion.
@Chubbies34
@Chubbies34 11 ай бұрын
@@Aaackermannthe dreadhorde invasion is makes a 0/0 token with a +1/+1 counter on it and each turn he will either put a +1/+1 on the token if he still has it or make another 0/0 token if he doesn’t have the token and then loses 1 life which is basically bitter blossom
@Aaackermann
@Aaackermann 11 ай бұрын
@@paulomachado7328 Ah, thank you! And it is only a few pennies. Now I get it!
@Delgotto
@Delgotto 11 ай бұрын
Found y'all through MTG Goldfish and i have been absolutely loving your content! Your colabs (not just with Goldfish) are amazing. Still going through your back catalog and very much enjoying it. Suggested future content: Unglued stuff. So much magic content is digital these days, playing physical lends the opportunity to play cards not found in thise formats. Annnnnd, i feel like this greatly compliments your fun playstyles! Planechase: Becoming more and more popular with the new commander decks, with lots of chaos potential. Vanguard: Precursor to EDH/Commander. Would love to see some love to these old cards. A very unique way to play!
@crawdaddy2004
@crawdaddy2004 11 ай бұрын
11:47 Pretty sure this game has already set the record for most times opponents paid for Rhystic Study.
@ssjAnnaPaquin
@ssjAnnaPaquin 11 ай бұрын
If you're playing with good players the tax should pretty much always be paid
@paulomachado7328
@paulomachado7328 11 ай бұрын
@@ssjAnnaPaquin Nerd emoji
@chrisjett6232
@chrisjett6232 11 ай бұрын
For what it's worth, the 6 and 4 more quickly goes down to a single die without having to manipulate both
@pookygallahad4749
@pookygallahad4749 11 ай бұрын
Wow the Solemn pass move could’ve changed the course of the game, shame Tomer couldn’t pop off 😢 Fun game to watch :)
@dragonized9758
@dragonized9758 11 ай бұрын
What I love about the All is dust play, is it was funnily enough hinted at close to the beginning of the match, the first time being at 5:13 when Carl was shuffling his hand, the other time being at 6:58 as he had his hand turned to the camera where you could see it. (something he did on multibe occasions by the way.) So when Carl was just looking at the camera when Jamin casted Genesis wave, I knew what was coming from a mile away. XD
@tciddados
@tciddados 11 ай бұрын
It's pretty wild how oppressive Jamin's deck was the whole game, and then Thoralf manages a last-minute win at the end there.
@protestthebread1046
@protestthebread1046 11 ай бұрын
Timmy vs spike
@CallMeAirChaps
@CallMeAirChaps 11 ай бұрын
The deck that wins in commander most often is the second strongest deck. Guy who is too strong right out of the gates gets ganged up on while the other guy quietly finds his wincon.
@1ryb360
@1ryb360 11 ай бұрын
I was literally screaming at the screen that Carl should've used the wasteland on the cabal coffers because I knew this would happen XD. You do NOT leave a cabal coffers on the battlefield lol
@Ezullof
@Ezullof 11 ай бұрын
I mean, it's an infinite combo with 3 cards. Jamin's deck had very powerful individual cards, but it still relied on randomness and having a lot of permanents stay on the field. It was technically a one minute win but it was also a guaranteed early win. It just happens that only Jamin had the time to get going.
@markscruggs8346
@markscruggs8346 11 ай бұрын
His deck wasn't oppressive at all, it just made a lot of stuff
@Fovulonkiin
@Fovulonkiin 11 ай бұрын
„Gates noch?“ (at 2:49) haha Thoralf xD For those not speaking German, it's a pun on „Geht's noch?“, which basically equals to "Are you mad?" (lit. it's "Does it still go?"). Edit and spoilers ahead for the finale: Thoralf: 34:34 "I think I can save us all." "I can make everything disappear." Happy faces (except Jamin :D) 34:54: "I will play my commander" Realisation kicks in with Carl: "Oh wait... are we all dead??" Perfect "why do I hear boss music?" moment. Well done, great match!
@SomeOfTheJuice
@SomeOfTheJuice 11 ай бұрын
That ending was not what I expected! Incredible!
@zz1000zz
@zz1000zz 11 ай бұрын
I just want to say in addition to loving the video for the people in it, I absolutely love the editing as well. I feel like this video had so much less "dead time" to things like shuffling than most commander videos I see online, and I really enjoyed the "snappier" feeling it creates.
@jpob5
@jpob5 11 ай бұрын
Wish you all did more Commander videos. I think this channel has the perfect level of production that I'm looking for in Commander videos.
@Rowan575
@Rowan575 11 ай бұрын
I was bored, now I have a new cardmarket video to watch ❤
@bobpopo9958
@bobpopo9958 11 ай бұрын
i loveee these crossovers and all the great content you guys put out
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
And we are thrilled that you do :) -C
@cthulhuprods6563
@cthulhuprods6563 11 ай бұрын
Is this a game where Thoralf doesnt start with a sol ring?
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
They don't seem to happen often 😅 -C
@richardpennertz8180
@richardpennertz8180 11 ай бұрын
Jamin, a 6 & a 4 is the proper way to mark 10 counters on d6s. You get rid of the second die faster that way.
@joekendall8401
@joekendall8401 9 ай бұрын
"CLASH ON!" That enthusiasm is beautiful
@willcardwell1203
@willcardwell1203 7 ай бұрын
That "CLASH ON" warmed my heart
@sharkley1981
@sharkley1981 11 ай бұрын
When the plant token attacked, Jamin should also have gotten a treasure from Jolene. Fun video as always. Jamin goes off, Carl clears the board, Jamin goes off again, Thoralf for the win! I love it.
@collinbeal
@collinbeal 11 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, Jamin went off twice before All is Dust 😂
@neatnotgoodgaming701
@neatnotgoodgaming701 11 ай бұрын
What a great video! And Thoralf winning out of nowhere felt exactly like how commander feels 😅
@jesauce9464
@jesauce9464 7 ай бұрын
@12:07 Thoralf makes one of the most specific random references ever and I loved every bit of it.
@olafthemoose9413
@olafthemoose9413 11 ай бұрын
Damn I wanted to send in my Temur Omnath Gates deck but somehow forgot about it. Still glad to see somebody running a gates deck in commander. Gates a sneaky powerful imo.
@Belena711
@Belena711 11 ай бұрын
21:25 Carl casually flashing All is Dust to the camera... 😂
@beanofknowledge2125
@beanofknowledge2125 11 ай бұрын
On the one hand, I'm glad to see you've finally bought some more dice. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I can approve of how you're using them in this video
@autumnthelegend6561
@autumnthelegend6561 9 ай бұрын
25:03 Jamin just gave himself an extra counter on Noble’s Purse instead of removing one 😭
@Ramschat
@Ramschat 11 ай бұрын
11:37 Did I just witness someone fetch a land with demonic tutor, while having an expedition map on the field!?
@traviscochran9253
@traviscochran9253 11 ай бұрын
I love that Tomer is playing the most Phil deck of all time while hes presumably in the same building xD.
@danielbaker5365
@danielbaker5365 11 ай бұрын
This was great! Nice seeing mtg goldfish guys on here!
@smeatar
@smeatar 11 ай бұрын
I’ve been craving some more of Tomer playing commander! It’s like you read my mind and gave me an early Christmas present.
@kieranclarke6161
@kieranclarke6161 11 ай бұрын
"Would you like to give that a read -_-" XD
@keanureef271
@keanureef271 11 ай бұрын
Proof that “clash on” is epic. The cardmarket crew is just the best
@Sauvenil
@Sauvenil 11 ай бұрын
"I had 60 permanents on the board!" - you're the kind of guy that I throw Reins of Power in the deck for.
@ChristopherLaHaise
@ChristopherLaHaise 2 ай бұрын
That was an amazing victory, and that very much sounds like the kind of deck I'd build...
@craigrgriffin
@craigrgriffin 11 ай бұрын
The look on Carl's face after he said "we don't have the rights to the song" 😂
@GotchaPlaysGer
@GotchaPlaysGer 11 ай бұрын
I can’t believe you actually picked the yagmowth deck instead of any other deck which is fun to play with/against …
@nicolasrededeo805
@nicolasrededeo805 11 ай бұрын
Did Jamin at 25:02 add a counter to the Noble's Purse instead of removing it?
@LootLust
@LootLust 11 ай бұрын
I loved to see Yawgmoth come out ahead. He and Urza are my favorite characters by far. My Yawgmoth deck was built to be the most degenerative stereotypical black deck possible. I ended up de-tuning it a good bit to give others more of a fighting chance. The restraint from Thoralf to keep from casting Yawgmoth as soon as possible is commendable. The board control he would have had would likely been a huge turning point early on and would have likely been the one to spiral out of control. That would have made for a much shorter video, and I commend him for it. Also, as Jamin pointed out, that's why you kill Yawgmoth players as soon as possible. I would have opted to kill off two players instead of spreading out the damage on that last attack, but again, that would have been a bit more boring for a video.
@2007Shockwave
@2007Shockwave 11 ай бұрын
That I can save everyone then proceeds to kill everyone with Yawgmoth is such a flavor win!
@Razomka
@Razomka 11 ай бұрын
Good stuff! Loving the decks. The lands deck seemed spicy!
@Larkinzzz
@Larkinzzz 11 ай бұрын
Really like the editing! Hope we get more commander games like that, maybe once a month?
@victhefoxygamer_6180
@victhefoxygamer_6180 11 ай бұрын
One day someone will use my stupid Ooze tribal Commander deck. Someday I'll submit it for a video. Those will not be the same day, but still. 11:12 Ill have Jamin know, I do that. I'd put a 6 and a 4. Also Why does Lannowar Tribe have Un-set vibes? 25:30 Jamin, and I'm sure the audience felt Carl needed consolation, however when he said "I don't deserve it" all I thought was "that is not the look of a defeated man...."
@PC-wm5jo
@PC-wm5jo 11 ай бұрын
God, it makes me so happy when you guys upload a Commander Video :D
@POPHISTORIAN
@POPHISTORIAN 11 ай бұрын
I would love to see a "master chef" type contest where you pick some bad cards and have the community build some spicy brews around them. Top 4 submissions play against each other round robin to name the winner!
@adrenalineunlimited
@adrenalineunlimited 11 ай бұрын
Not really related, but urza's ai has lowkey evolved. It's now much more familiar with naming conventions in the game. For instance, "Fogswept Bridge" will usually produce a land, though sometimes an artifact, but will reliably produce an effect that prevents combat damage.
@Programme021
@Programme021 11 ай бұрын
This
@cryptorcd9352
@cryptorcd9352 11 ай бұрын
Nice! I wouldnt mind one more AI creates deck video
@kyryloslav
@kyryloslav 8 ай бұрын
"I pass the turn" "Aight, I'm gonna go" "Ok, bye :D"
@Spirited_skiing
@Spirited_skiing 11 ай бұрын
10/10, would tomer again! Awesome to see him on this channel
@Nathanael_Forlorn
@Nathanael_Forlorn 11 ай бұрын
2:30 I might ne way off, but from the introductions alone, it sounds like some powerlevel 5 decks right here. Curious to find out if these are strong only at a kitchen table or can actually play along the usual powerlevel 7-ish that I'm used to from the mtg goldfish crew!
@Nathanael_Forlorn
@Nathanael_Forlorn 11 ай бұрын
7:00 Oo,nvm! Three turns in, the cards presented don't seem powerlevel 5. :D
@zackbonno3675
@zackbonno3675 11 ай бұрын
Nine-Fingers is one of my babies and im so glad to see someone playing her here
@TheSleipnirThe
@TheSleipnirThe 11 ай бұрын
i really want to see a Memnarch Commander deck to pop off :D my all time favourite card back in darksteel :)
@Syaska
@Syaska 11 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this episode of Jamin reads his deck.
@bernhardklinger4839
@bernhardklinger4839 11 ай бұрын
That Jolene deck is amazing! Thank you for the great content!
@AlVash2
@AlVash2 11 ай бұрын
Love seeing you guys play commander
@MegaAlecson
@MegaAlecson 8 ай бұрын
Carl is a confirmed psychopath after that dice placement
@gabrielemarogna9444
@gabrielemarogna9444 11 ай бұрын
Yo, I had zero hopes to get in, I'm so excited!!
@gabrielemarogna9444
@gabrielemarogna9444 11 ай бұрын
Aw, I was really hoping someone would get flip the switch-ed, people hate it when that happens! Thanks for choosing my decks, it was not its best showing, it would have been so sweet with Jolene on the board, but it was great to see it nonetheless :D
@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle
@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle 11 ай бұрын
​@@gabrielemarogna9444the Jolene deck seemed kinda boring to me, with so many warp world effects it seems like every game would go the exact same way of "vomit your entire deck onto the board and either win instantly or lose the next turn to combo"
@gabrielemarogna9444
@gabrielemarogna9444 11 ай бұрын
*ah, the deck is more like 25€ btw, I left a bunch of money in the sideboard on moxfield xD
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for sending it in! :D you'll be receiving the money on your Cardmarket account tomorrow-C
@BigBearZab
@BigBearZab 11 ай бұрын
This was good fun! Must say missing the meta constructed videos though, feels like haven't had those for a while! Especially no meta pioneer 😢
@calebanderson6193
@calebanderson6193 11 ай бұрын
Loving all the videos with the goldfish crew! You guys should bring back G.O.A.T magic with Seth next :)
@aeolus7762
@aeolus7762 11 ай бұрын
Yes Jamin, I very much agree, Warp World IS a fun card to play!
@zakusarecool
@zakusarecool 23 күн бұрын
This might be the most fun I've seen Jamin have in a video lol
@ralfparakenings2634
@ralfparakenings2634 11 ай бұрын
Toffel sitting calmly watching shenanigans to happen is very suspicious. 😅
@Tristyn_Waterman
@Tristyn_Waterman 11 ай бұрын
The ending to this game was perfect
@md-sl1io
@md-sl1io 11 ай бұрын
ive been enjoying the sixth doctor in a legendery value deck with flash to play in ur opponants turn as well
@DekuLord
@DekuLord 11 ай бұрын
I'm with Carl on this one, you max out one die then anything else spills over to the other dice.
@robertm6087
@robertm6087 11 ай бұрын
"Clash on!". Liked the video.
@OnlyCascades
@OnlyCascades 11 ай бұрын
This video was so good I liked it on both my KZbin accounts! Maybe I'll like it three times if I get my deck in next time - The world always needs more cascade triggers
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the double like! The world indeed needs more cascade triggers -C
@bigt1574
@bigt1574 11 ай бұрын
This game was basically one guy popping off, two people doing nothing, and the other waiting to infinite.
@henryoconnor7016
@henryoconnor7016 11 ай бұрын
The "clash on" was hilarious
@whiteoxau
@whiteoxau 11 ай бұрын
Thoralf looked so sad he couldn’t sing Jolene.
@BootiSwet
@BootiSwet 11 ай бұрын
In this video: a bunch of Europeans make a Dolly Parton reference and its the vibe we need.
@philmelo468
@philmelo468 11 ай бұрын
you can sssuuuuuper clearly see Carl's All is Dust on 22:25 xD
@calebthedoomguy2730
@calebthedoomguy2730 8 ай бұрын
Casual tabernacle, always love to see budget cards🥴
@mrpinguimninja
@mrpinguimninja 11 ай бұрын
Jolene is the kind of friend we all wish we had
@lukasniepert6716
@lukasniepert6716 11 ай бұрын
Jamin high on Commander Crack - I love it
@poketech7192
@poketech7192 11 ай бұрын
The best part is their 'clash on' was better then the MTGgoldfish's crew on their own show...
@DiscardatRandom
@DiscardatRandom 11 ай бұрын
Its funnier that way
@bryanstokke6566
@bryanstokke6566 11 ай бұрын
I have a final tomorrow morning for Law School. I do not have time to watch this video. But the idea of not watching a collaberative commander video between CardMarket Crew and MTG Goldfish is actually causing me physical pain. The notification popped up and created both instant happiness and sadness.
@xirtakeht
@xirtakeht 11 ай бұрын
good luck with your final
@bryanstokke6566
@bryanstokke6566 11 ай бұрын
Thank you :) I'll be back here to watch the fun after my exam!
@CardmarketMagic
@CardmarketMagic 11 ай бұрын
Hopefully you aced it! :)
@bryanstokke6566
@bryanstokke6566 11 ай бұрын
Thanks 😁 it went great - just like the video!
@timerace44
@timerace44 11 ай бұрын
That was a clash on I could get behind haha
@Riuhkuhku
@Riuhkuhku 11 ай бұрын
A six and a four is ok, you use one dice at its maximum capability and the other one up to the goal, which is ten this time. Logic way to do it in my opinion :D :D
@nintandocaprisun
@nintandocaprisun 11 ай бұрын
Here's an idea for a Commander video: your commanders have to be cards whose BACKSIDE is a legendary creature. Elbrus, the Binding Blade, Throne of the Grim Captain, a few of the battles. Could be a fun twist.
@bebits3173
@bebits3173 11 ай бұрын
Player removal is the best form of removal 😂
@lordkoopa92
@lordkoopa92 11 ай бұрын
Jamin going off in Carl for not using 5 & 5 for Dark Depth hit so close to home. My one friend always uses 6s. Creature has 15 +1s? Yup 6,6 and 3 obviously
@jaredstivers
@jaredstivers 11 ай бұрын
Artisan Modern (Common and Uncommons only). Build based off current meta decklist Also, good Commander Game.
@gilbertdarisse4705
@gilbertdarisse4705 11 ай бұрын
What an epic end to a great game. Man, that was great!
@ichguckegerneyoutube8837
@ichguckegerneyoutube8837 11 ай бұрын
they did the clash on way better than the goldfish crew tbh
@alexnunes6389
@alexnunes6389 11 ай бұрын
Thoralf not having turn 1 sol ring was a plot twist I wasn't prepared
@swordshaver
@swordshaver 11 ай бұрын
i feel like every single one of jamin's turns are why you need a crim at the table honestly
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