Cardo Packtalk Edge vs Freecom 4x - Which is the one for you?

[@IanH-UK]

Now if only Sena and Cardo could play nicely and agree on a universal mesh system....

[@mancavemoto]

Yep that would be great!

[@tbugofficial]

THEY DO NOW!

[@huehuehue-x3c]

@@tbugofficial nope, it's not universal mesh. It's just regular bluetooth.

[@tbugofficial]

@hecticphusion have you read the news this week? Cardo software update allows compatibility with sena. Thanks for playing try again!

[@huehuehue-x3c]

@@tbugofficial lmao how does it feel to be so confidently incorrect? Yes, they can connect but there is no mesh capability. There is a difference between a straight up peer to peer connection and a mesh connection.

[@keithkeller6509]

The most useful comparison review between these two Cardo units that I have seen. Helped me decide to go with the Freecom 4X. Don’t ride in groups and the Edge is big and sticks out too much for my taste. Thank you.

[@mancavemoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@1couple4bikes]

Had a cheap Amazon set for a few years but the constant having to plug in the micro usb cable took it's toll on the connector, causing drop outs and finally giving up. Last December purchased the Freecom 4x and what a difference. Excellent sound quality as you said. Great battery life and nice to have a cradle with contacts so no plugging in. Didn't really need a Mesh system for just the two of us. Good range with quick re connect if get separated.

[@hafiziVlog]

thanks for the great comparison. really answered a lot of my doubts regarding these two. i would go for freecom since i ride solo most of the time and listening to music is no 1 for me👍🏻👍🏻

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers, glad it was helpful

[@bloodknottrevelian3396]

When we first started using comms we bought the Freecom 4 and we’re very pleased with it. However, in our group of four riders it meant that two who had Cardo Mesh units had to run them in Bluetooth mode. Connecting all four units was a total pain but once connected the sound quality was good. The opportunity to upgrade to Packtalk Bold units meant all four of us are now able to connect via Mesh. As good as the Freecom 4 units are you really need to go for the Mesh units. Connecting is so much easier and in Wales this year we had eight of the group of nine all connected without any problems. Mention was made of the waterproof rating, you won’t find this on the Senna units, need I say more? So go Cardo and go Mesh. There is a Cardo Mesh unit cheaper than the Edge, called Neo.

[@heybruh3274]

I've owned the Freecom for quite awhile. It's been solid and works pretty well between myself and my passenger. However, I had to relocate it on our helmets because when wearing a jacket with a collar, the collar would hit the wheel causing some interruptions. We've also had (rarely) just unknown intercom disconnects. That can be frustrating. But overall, I would buy it again. That said, I am taking advantage of the sale on the Edge with the new mount and with the wheel more integrated. We've friends who are using it so we can also expand our ride group with ease!

[@ozbusa]

Agree. I had the freedom 4, but same here. The wheel kept hitting my jacket collar when doing head checks or just even looking left while riding.. swapped it out for the slim. Now looking at the edge.

[@rikkid3rr]

Great comparison video! You covered pretty much everything I needed to know about both units so now I can make an informed decision and pick up the best unit for me. Thanks!

[@mancavemoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@80andybrown80]

Just bought the Cardo 4x. Been running around the house with the helmet on and so far great. First ride this weekend. Good times and ride on bros

[@mancavemoto]

😃

[@owensparrow62]

I should stay in the house buddy! I’ve had mine 14 months, it’s total rubbish out on the road, good for the phone and satnav, buy talking to you mates 400 yds away? TOTAL FICTION as far as I’m concerned, I’ve had it working perhaps 6 times, and when it does work, it’s nowhere near that advertised. “Connection failed. Connection failed “ get used to hearing that!

[@youcanthide004]

Fantastic, thanks for this video mate. This is exactly what I was looking for incredibly comprehensive.

[@mancavemoto]

Glad it was helpful

[@bbumble4117]

The trick is to register your Cardo “external device” on your iPhone as an external speaker rather than earphones. This avoids the safety limits on earphones.

[@VicB325]

Do you know how to change it to a external device? I would like to try it and see if it gets louder.

[@bbumble4117]

@@VicB325 On an iPhone go to “Settings”, then “Bluetooth”, then click the “i” next to your Cardo device name, then “Device Type” and then set this to “External Speaker”. Good luck!

[@sabrinboshnjaku2203]

You can also toggle off the safety limit

[@benjaminfinzen6781]

Is this possible with Android phones?

[@_sam317]

I got the 4x for me and spirit for my pillion. Works perfectly

[@booshallmighty]

Can you hear the sat nav and your pillion?

[@staceypettorini]

I have the 4x it’s good but I would prefer the edge. I like the fact of the mesh!

[@Vkesu]

My husband and I have used the Freedom 4X but we only get about 4 hours out of the batteries because it's constant use. He rides a bike and I have a sxs and we are constantly chattering while following each other on the trails. We just purchased the packtalk edge for me so we can have a couple extra to switch to while the other is charging. That was a real downer finding out the battery isn't as good as many have said while in constant use.

[@rRaeyon]

You can charge both the 4x and edge while riding

[@2wheelsrbest327]

Just want to echo the compliments of every one else. great video. Never really wanted to buy one but myself a mate and my son in law are both off to France next month and they have Sena's. I initially thought of buying a Sena Spider but worried about its water resistance decided to push the envelope and brought for the extra money a FC 4 X. Seems given your video it wasn't a bad chose.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks

[@gudgengrebe]

Thank you for doing this. I’m confident that I know what I want now. I appreciate your videos a lot.

[@JoeFurtado-xv5no]

I have had the freedom 4 for the last 6 months I’ve ridden over 2k miles some really long days after 10 hours in the saddle it’s still has plenty of power. I use it to listen to Music while I ride and talk to my buddy who has coms. The lowest I got my cardo too was 25% I power after 12 hours of use. I will be upgrading to the edge due to more of my friends having Cardo’s

[@michaelhuang5107]

Great video mate. Ive got a bold and black and two slims. They all still work great. They dont have usb c fast charge but thats about it.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Hi Tony, great review. Thank you. I purchased the Pactalk bold black edition as I wanted the 45 mm speakers. However, still disappointed with the sound. Your in ear system has got me think and I’ll now be looking at this option. Very happy. Apart from me not being a huge fan of the speakers the voice control is superb.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks, yes that can be a problem, I had the same issue with a Sena unit in a Shoei helmet. The good thing about the speaker pockets on Arai helmets is that it doesnt seem to matter what size they atre, they still fit!

[@Saleemmy]

speaker placement is important..

[@MOTOUK1]

Must admit I use the voice control all the time on the Bold! Find that a really useful function. Hands free is definitely very helpful. And sound is good.

[@VicinalElk44104]

My biggest gripe with the freecom units are the volume wheel being on the bottom like they are. I always accidentally either turn up/down my volume or press it in and pause my music when i look to the left or lean to the left. If the volume wheel was designed to be similar to the packtalk location while just being the freecom model still, id choose it over the packtalk any day as i dont need to talk to 14 other people when it is just me riding home and also dont wanna pay the premium for a feature i dont need just for a volume wheel placement. I'd have just got a lower end model than the freecom if i wasnt planning on talking to either my dad or my girlfriend on comms and the freecom is useful in that regard. Got the 2x dual pack and have been happy other than the volume wheel

[@merseamoto]

Really can’t see these days why anyone would like a headset without Mesh. It’s just a shame that Cardo and Sena don’t talk to each other on Mesh. Resolving this would be so much better for all those who use comms and can talk to anyone then. Good review though Tony, thanks.

[@luisloza4125]

I think it differs for people. Like me, I try to stay away from groups of people as I enjoy solo riding so my headset to just listen to music would be all I need.

[@IVJesse]

I had a Sena Outrush and recently got the Freecom 2x and it is like night and day. I would love to get the Packtalk Edge for the dynamic mesh technology.

[@stephensandor6503]

I have a Cardo Packtalk Bold and it's a brilliant unit. I have 3 mates and we all bought the same unit so the connection is great. I have another mate who has a Bluetooth version of Sena and we were able to connect. But it was a bit clunky at his end to connect and we had to muck around a bit but we eventually had it up. Not ideal but worked. The Mesh technology for the Cardo is brilliant. I probably go to the Packtalk Edge if I had to change.

[@mikemorris1465]

I have the Packtalk Edge and honestly wish I kept my Packtalk Bold. 8 of us ride with the Edge and we all bought them at the same time. All of us have complained of connectivity issues, dropping in and out and the range between the Packtalk Edge's seems worse than the Bold. Firmware and or software felt more stable on the Bold and reliable. I'm planning to sell the Edge as it's not fit for purpose

[@mateopadilla3477]

Hey man! I have one question. In terms of sound quality for listening to music, do both devices sound the same?

[@DannyBashy]

@mikemorris1465

[@raymondadams5751]

I have the Cardo PackTalk edge for my son and I (both riders) but my wife is stuck with an old Sena 20 behind me. The connectivity with the Cardos is amazing, note if only we could easily talk with her… I’d I win, that’s what I would fix, plus maybe get a spare for my dad… 😉

[@briansmith7443]

Absolutely great video, but I have one question. If I choose to save some money and go with the freecom 4x, does it still work with 3 other riders if only I have a Freecom4? My son will ride Pillion occasionally and my Girlfriend rides but just has a basic bluetooth device. If I get a cheap one for my son can we all still talk? I'd rather not spend a fortune on a twin pack for the few times he joins us! Thanks

[@mancavemoto]

Yes you can still connect up to four riders with the Freecom 4X.

[@mickleblade]

FYI those Sound Ear Pros are probably illegal in France, so if you visit beware. Speakers in the helmet are fine but not when there's separate wired earbuds.

[@mancavemoto]

Yes, that was brought in quite a few years ago. Obviously its only going to be 'visible' if you get stopped and have to remove your helmet, but youre right it could be a risk.

[@xanderworker5449]

Just came across your incredibly informative video-better late than never! I really like the concept of custom-molded earplugs that provide both music playback and hearing protection. Quick question: how long is the cable? Is it around 50cm or shorter?

[@mancavemoto]

Glad it was helpful! the standard cable is 48cm long, and you also get a 90cm long extension with them

[@Rycerz49]

Perfect video mate. Answered pretty much everything I needed to know and saved me a bit of cash too. Subbed.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks for the sub!

[@PanRider939]

Can you do one for the Packtalk Neo please. Help us decide between the Neo and Freecom 4x would be great 👍

[@mancavemoto]

I wouldnt make another video comparing the Neo to the Freecom, as theres not a big difference between the Neo and the Edge. You can compare the specs here cardosystems.com/pages/product-comparison

[@adambatchelder4121]

Good video, I'm looking for a system I can use with a GMRS radio for extended range off road

[@billesbacon]

Much appreciated and exactly the review I needed. I plan to get the Cardo PacTalk Edge to talk with my bacon crew.

[@mancavemoto]

No problem, thanks for watching

[@kevindarkstar]

If I'm being honest, if the main point of a communication system is to actually be able to talk to others reliably over distance, then the edge is head and shoulders above the other 😊

[@mancavemoto]

But what if you just want to talk to your pillion? 🤔👌

[@kevindarkstar]

@@mancavemoto yeah OK in that case pretty much anything will do, but for bike to bike coms I'd still say the edge has the edge 🤣

[@80andybrown80]

Pretty much most of the people I ride with or meet have Cardo. Having someone onboard who fully understands the link up with bluetooth is important. Another tear or so and Mesh will be the norm. For now Bluetooth is whats out there.

[@MayorofDipshittery-lq7if]

This video arrived at the ideal time, looking to add comms to my new helmet.

[@mancavemoto]

👌

[@Pfeiffer-fp2se]

Seriously awesome comparison review! Only wished you added one more thing and that was just a visual on how the freecom would dismount from the helmet. Would you have to take the mount off the helmet completely? Or can the mount stay installed on the helmet and the freecom come off the mount?

[@mancavemoto]

Good Point. The freecom does clip off of the mount, you dont need to remove that from the helmet

[@Dude_Virus]

Very nice informative video. If I may ask what's the Bluetooth version on both and can the freecom 4x be charged while riding?

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks, they are both Bluetooth 5.2

[@Rocycle]

Great vids. Wondering if the paktalk edge speakers fit in the shoei glamster 06 without pushing on your ears? Wasn't clear whether there was a speaker cutout in the new glamster. You mentioned a gap in the cheekpads in the Glamster review.

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers, maybe I’ve fitted a Sena 5s to one and the speakers were fine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZuqZaWvZdNpgMksi=BkIwUiia2xyBUVEw

[@chrisvassos9929]

I was hoping to be able to use voice commands with a Freecom 2x to make calls hands free but apparently I need the 4x to do that at $500

[@mancavemoto]

You can use voice commands on the Freecom 2x, with Cardo, but not Siri, that requires a button press.

[@takeonetheater]

Sir, thank you! Look forward to trying the soundear...what's the process of getting your ear fitted?

[@MrTeriyakiman]

I find that I have to say “Hey Cardo” in an American accent for it to recognise me! Other than that, I’m really pleased with my Edge.

[@AkisN]

Hello to all.I just receive 2 days ago my Freecom 4x.However i cannot activate cardos voice commands.If i say ok google what's the weather tomorrow , google works,but none from the list of cardo commands.I saw on the net on a video that problem fixed if you change language from english USA to english UK.I did it but still voice not working.Any ideas?? please help.

[@t-rex4211]

How do they compare to sena? Looking to get a Shoei Neotec and they’re sena ready but reviews seem better for the cardo. For touring I’m concerned I won’t hear fa above 70. 🤔

[@mancavemoto]

Theres been a long 'battle' between Cardo and Sena users which i find a little amusing. I use both, and for the most the performance as been pretty much the same, its largely down to what operating system and features you prefer. I've also had the Sena made units in the integrated helmet systems and they've been fine.

[@t-rex4211]

@@mancavemoto Ah ok cheers. I do wanna go with sena as integrated etc. Shame Shoei didn’t make blank plates or something for the option. Currently got a fodsports on an AGV and works ok. Just quiet above 70 with plugs on a tiger 1200 with a big screen. Agghhhh decisions 😂

[@Msndriving]

Biggest flaw with the freecom 4x is the wheel. Number of times I've turned the volume up or down when it catches on jacket is very annoying.

Great video! Would you happen to know the Cardo speakers impedance or your intraauricular phones impedance? Mines are all high impedance types (chinese KZs).👍

[@mancavemoto]

I don't no, Cardo don't publish it, but I can ask Ultimate if they can confirm for the Soundears?

[@SolivG]

Fantastic review! Awesome job. Thank you

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks for watching!

[@SKIAMIALMOG]

Hi Tony, Thank you very much for the review. Can you please attach a link to the earphone you use? Is it easy to put on and after to wear the helmet? Thank you in advance Cheers Ami

[@mancavemoto]

Theres a link in the description 👍 very easy, just the same as any other earplugs

[@SKIAMIALMOG]

@@mancavemoto Thanks Tony! When you wear the helmet (full tight helmet) it doesn't fall? Ami

[@sgtace]

I can't tell if mesh is worth it because I didn't use it on my slim in last 5 years even once

[@Danny-es2ro]

Best cardo for solo rider? 🤔 (music, calls, voice control) thanks in advance guys!

[@mancavemoto]

Any would be good for a solo rider. From memory they now offer the basic Spirit unit with the JBL speaker upgrade.

[@CarlosB0578]

Just wondering what model that graphite/black & blue Arai is? Looks smart that does 🤩 Thanks

[@mancavemoto]

Its the Quantic, I think called the Corsair X in the US? I would say its the most comfortable helmet i've ever owned

[@CarlosB0578]

@mancavemoto Thanks for the reply! Keep up the great work btw!👏

[@kennethandes9170]

Well explained! Thanks for the tutorial.

[@mancavemoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@NeonLuvBar]

If you use more than one helmet, another benefit of some Cardo units is the option to buy a 2nd helmet fitting kit.

[@mancavemoto]

This is very true

[@theghost75]

Dude, excellent video. Just what I needed

[@mancavemoto]

Glad it helped!

[@geochristianq2255]

This might be a dumb question but regarding your in-ear headset, how do you wear it? Do you wear it first before putting on the helmet? Great video mate, loved listening to you as I’m experienced with Cardo Bold

[@mancavemoto]

I plug them in, put them in my ears then pull the helmet on, then just make sure any excess cabe is comfortable and or tucked out of the way

[@geochristianq2255]

@@mancavemoto I see, that’s interesting! I was confused a bit because he wire seemed like it was short but apparently you can just wear it underneath a balaclava or what not. Makes sense! Btw, a fellow Arai tourcross user and adventure rider here. The mesh is really useful for us because we ride in groups of 20-30 riders. So for those of you in a chill group, dmc is the way!

[@MsDenver2]

Thankyou excellent video and very good advice and info . Can you do the same for satnav as I know nothing about them?👍🏍

[@mancavemoto]

I've done a couple of sat nav reviews in the past, both for the TomTom Rider 550 and Beeline moto

[@ramafan_3903]

I have 1 question, is the sound quality of Edge with bold JBL to listen to music equal or superior to Edge?

[@mancavemoto]

The JBL speakers do make a difference for the better

[@dagger_4d]

Is there an audio quality difference between either set. Maybe they use a different audio driver in them?

[@mancavemoto]

The JBL speakers do make a difference, but the outpit from the units is the same as far as im aware

[@49googie]

Hi Tony, is the sound good if you are wearing standard moulded ear plugs, I run an Autocom with my pillion but not done ant more and getting old hat now. Regards Robert

[@mancavemoto]

Yes i've had no issues wearing custom moulded silicone plugs

[@user-yo1bj2lv8x]

Is the mounting between the 2 the same? So im just after the unit itself really don't want to go through the whole install process again My freecom 4+ fell out (user error)

[@mancavemoto]

No they have a different mount, but you can buy additional helmet sets with just the appropriate mount, speakers and mic

[@robgerety]

Do both of these units work equally well as far as pairing with iphone and giving voice commands etc.?

[@mancavemoto]

Yes they seem to

[@icet6434]

Great video. I have never owned a comms system so im researching. Can i ask if when you get a phone call do both you and your connections hear the call? Also with the satnav instructions, does everyone connected hear it?

[@mancavemoto]

It depends on how you share the connection, you can choose to do it or keep the music, instructions and phone calls to yuourself. Thats usually the default setting

[@billking8736]

I have the Cardo Freecom 4x and when using Google directions initially receive sound but the directions stop coming in over the speakers. Any suggestions?

[@mancavemoto]

Have you got the phone connected to another bluetooth device that might interfere? if not its worth double checking the advanced audio settings via the app

[@jeremyr62]

Not a feature many use and it rarely gets a mention in reviews but did you spot any difference in the FM radio performance between the two units? Currently use a G9X which has a easy to use FM radio but it's getting on.

[@mancavemoto]

Indeed, which is why I briefly spoke about it. I didn’t notice any difference between the two units to be honest

[@mohammadshahmeer]

I have a spirit hd. A couple of people I am going to ride with have packtalk ede. Question if all the packtalk edges are connected with each other on a group ride, can I also connect with one of them with my spirit hd at the same time? I just want to stay connected to one of the other packtalks in the group whilst they are all connected with each other. Will that work?

[@mancavemoto]

I don't see why it wouldnt work

[@PanRider939]

Yes it will work and you’ll also be in hear the group, called bridging. Just stay close to the one you’re paired to. Sprit is good also for pillion comms unit. I have one on my pillion helmet and it works great.

[@JackMihoff6969]

Does the Freecom 4X have the same cradle as the Spirit? I already have the Spirit and considering to get a Freecom if they have the same mount/cradle.

[@mancavemoto]

Hi, yes it’s exactly the same mount for both units. 👍

[@iShriek]

I want the best possible sound and don't need intercom. Does the Freecom 4x actually have better sound and/or higher volume than Cardo Spirit HD?

[@ar1stippus739]

I have the freecom 2x and the volume is pretty good. It's a little quiet with ear plugs in at freeway speeds but it's still alright

[@trevorphillips3055]

Does the radio turn itself on? That seems to be a common problem with the packtalk bold.

[@mancavemoto]

Not that i've experienced no. Never had that happen

[@Banditmanuk]

Certainly does on our Packtalk Bold. Annoying isn't it

[@trevorphillips3055]

@@Banditmanuk yes, it does with everyone I know that has one!

[@nigeltankard6977]

Thanks for this vlog, I am actually looking for a new comms set up. I have currently got the BMW set up, which is ok, but difficult to use

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks for watching

[@nigeltankard6977]

@@mancavemoto quick question about your ear plugs, which model did you go for? As there are som many variations on ear plugs to listen to music

[@Life_of_James]

Very informative video, thank you. I'll be getting a BMW F850 GS Adv. soon and wondered if either of these systems will work/ sync up with the BMW TFT display & BMW connect ride cradle with an iPhone? I have an Arai Tour X4 helmet. I did ask my local BMW Motorrad dealer but the salesman said he wasn't sure about compatibility, he just recommend the BMW comms, but as a music listener the JBL headphones sound good on the Cardo system. Thanks to anyone who can help.

[@mancavemoto]

Yep if connecting to your iPhone either of these will work. Sadly BMW dealers rarely suggest anything that’s not in their own accessory catalogue.

[@Life_of_James]

@@mancavemoto thank you for your response and advice, much appreciated 👍🏼. I like the Packtalk but I don’t do much group riding so I think for my needs as a solo rider the Freecom 4x should be sufficient. I assume the music quality is the same on both units seeing as they use the same headphones or is there a difference?

[@tomquaker]

great and helpful vid, while choosing what to buy i found this to be helpful

[@LeakyWadersAdventureClub]

I got the packtalk neo because its a bit cheaper than the edge and only different is it snaps on instead of magnets which doesnt matter to me... And its black vs the grey haha

[@katenance8374]

What are the nose canceling ear buds called that you use? Sound ear pros? Can u post a link please! Thank u

[@mancavemoto]

There are these ultimateear.com/product/soundear-motorcycle-custom-ear-plug/ or the basic Squidys ultimateear.com/product/squidgy-motorcyclist/

[@robinward4056]

does the cardo mesh work with other branded mesh systems the odds of having upto 15 people all with cardo is remote

[@mancavemoto]

Apparently it does now

[@davekane4809]

Great comparison thanks. Do you know if the Cardo units work well pairing with a single Sena unit via bluetooth? Thanks

[@mancavemoto]

It can be done, but my experience has been very hit & miss

[@davekane4809]

@@mancavemoto thankyou.

[@Loppy6086]

Have you tried fitting the speakers in the profile V? I want to get a cardo and i have a profile V, however the helmet does not have cutouts for the speaker inside the helmet. Do the speakers fit? Did you feel any discomfort having them inside the profile V?

[@mancavemoto]

I did have the speakers in the Profile V, the speakers go into the 'pocket' on the back of the cheek pads, theres no need for recesses in the EPS

[@SolivG]

Great comparison. Does the clip mount scratch or mark the helmet at all ?

[@mancavemoto]

No its a very sofy plastic mount

[@stevegeorgiou2013]

@@mancavemoto Great. Thanks for the reply.

[@supermario-66-c]

Great video and good wording to explain clearly functions.

[@mancavemoto]

Thanks

[@MegaMikeArnold]

Outstanding review man, many thanks 👍

[@mancavemoto]

No problem 👍

[@YBS_EdTheRed]

I prefer the edge,coming from the bold.

[@KennySolos]

Hi.. do you think that I could connect my phone with Bluetooth 5.0 to the Edge's 5.2 bluetooth?

[@mancavemoto]

yes

[@IMF85]

Thanks for the video. Really helpfull

[@CollinsCreativeImages]

I have a Teryx 4 seater so i will have 4 riders at 1 time. Will any of these do 4 helmets at once??

[@mancavemoto]

Yes they both do

[@stonkerontheroad9609]

I fitted the Edge to my Shoei and can hardly hear it. Other than the volume control, is there anything else to check?

[@mancavemoto]

Conected just to a phone, or via a bike or gps device?

[@stonkerontheroad9609]

@@mancavemoto Just to phone at the mo. I can try via GPS or bike

[@mancavemoto]

Ah ok, I only ask as sometimes there’s a volume control on certain devices, so if you try and turn up the Cardo it will only go as loud as the sat nav is set for example. The only thing I can think of is going into the Cardo connect app and checking that the volume levels are set high. Also if you use and iPhone there is a headphone safety setting in Sounds & Haptics which might keep it lower than you’d want

[@kkutube1972]

Thank you for the detailed comparison.

[@mancavemoto]

No problem

[@fastlanediaries6593]

You gained a follower - when I saw Gerry Rafferty in your music library. Mint

[@mancavemoto]

?

[@A.G...]

What is the speed limit for clear sound? I mean Is the audio is comfortable after 140kmh?

[@mancavemoto]

That all depends on how much noise your helmet generates. With the soundears I have perfect audio at any speed. Without it’s still pretty good!

[@csmanul]

it is not clear if those ultimate ear buds have real active noise cancellation like bose/sony headphones

[@mancavemoto]

They don't, active noise cancellation can be a little dangerous on a motorcycle. The moulded earpiece filters out specific frequencies

[@SCOOPER3896]

Is the max volume level of both units high enough or do you struggle to hear music or phone calls at any time ? Good vid.

[@mancavemoto]

If anything they can go too loud! So far I’ve not had any issues with hearing calls or music

[@SCOOPER3896]

@@mancavemoto great. Thanks.

[@muratakburakma]

Awesome stuff man. Thanks

[@mancavemoto]

No problem!

[@rickparkinmoto]

Sportsbikeshop were doing a special on the Packtalk Edge Duo pack last year which made the price difference over the Freecom 4x not even worth thinking about. I've been very happy with mine. I had concerns about the magnetic mount, but there's absolutely no way that thing is going to come off without pressing the clip. One other point is that the dual packs do actually have 2 of everything. I went halves with a chap I never ride with, and there's no dependency or shared objects to argue about.

[@kinglumpy6145]

How much was it? They have the 4x duo on sale for 380 rn

[@cbrlucifer]

Excellent review, thank you!

[@mancavemoto]

No problem, thanks for watching

[@mikewanamaker7352]

And the “Neo”?

[@lilleBoyy]

Always wanted an intercom system but they are so expensive. They are just overpriced for what you get.

[@mancavemoto]

Comment within 30 seconds of the video going live. Is this a bot?

[@lilleBoyy]

@@mancavemoto na mate, just a boring rainy Sunday 😂

[@mancavemoto]

Ah, wasn’t sure it was very quick off the mark 👏😂

[@IAmYourReflection]

There a much cheaper and effective options out there

[@lilleBoyy]

@@IAmYourReflection which one with mesh? They are all expensive though

[@michaelknight2897]

I want to get cardo slim but that oddly shaped speaker is a no go.

[@apetsel]

I've had the Slim and Bold, and preferred the Bold for touring since you can swap in a fresh unit when the battery dies. But either way, you can get different speakers for any unit, it's just a standard 3.5mm jack.

[@tonyestephan8477]

Is Cardo better than Sena ?

[@mancavemoto]

Thats a much asked question, and it really depends on what you're looking at. I've used both and I would say I prefer the overall user experience of Cardo, but in terms of sound quality and everyday use, they both work very well

[@UnicornMoto]

Nice video - very helpful!!

[@mancavemoto]

No problem

[@boatdriver6595]

plugfones are another version of external earplug/headphones that you can use at a much lower price.

[@mancavemoto]

But not custom moulded.

[@Cynocles]

Would this work if the gang just connected it to there phones and joined discord ?

[@mancavemoto]

No idea, but I can’t see any advantage in that over just using the comms?

[@DookeyRidr]

An under-the-radar solution is get some FRS, or better yet, GMRS radios amongst your group. Be sure they are able to pair to (multiple) bluetooth devices (phone & Cardo/Sena), and you have immediate universal connectivity-irregardless of Cardo/Sena-and a *HUGE* increase in range, something that BT or mesh systems don’t have. I would see this as an advantage to using your phones with discord (or Zello) because the radios are dedicated to just comms.

[@teneretraveller8980]

Interesting. My missus loves the music and call facility on her comms, whereas I won't wear one. It's one occasion when I can just put my earplugs in and switch off from the modern world with It's constant bombardment to my thoughts. Just me and the bike. We communicate with handsignals and she yells over my shoulder at slow speed.. Some of the group I sometimes travel with won't ride without them. I must be getting old. We are all different m Interesting though Safe, happy travels 👍

[@mancavemoto]

Cheers, Remember, you don't have to alwasy switch it on ;) 👍 Sometimes nothing beats being along with your own thoughts on the bike. I was never that bothered by them a few years back, but then started riding with a buddy using a set and it was a bit of a revelation. Now we find it hard to ride together without them, we dont always talk, but just being able to change routes or stop if theres a problem etc etc

[@teneretraveller8980]

@@mancavemoto that is a good point. 👍

[@vector011]

Link for ultimate ears you show

[@mancavemoto]

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