Cards That BAMBOOZLE You | EDHRECast 321

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[@anstapa6118]

I always recite aloud, “ Untap, upkeep, draw,” on each of my turns to help me remember triggers. I also keep a coin in any deck box where the deck runs Howling Mine, Phyrexian Arena, etc. to place on top of my library when those cards are in play.

[@Jerhevon]

Quite the same, and I've been playing this game a darn long time. And it's always "Untap, upkeep, draw."

[@TheMessinger47]

42:15 funnily enough, the Assassin’s Creed reprint of Reconnaissance actually explains this interaction, so now people might be less confused

[@RyanOlander]

The year is 2024. I am still reading Questing Beast...

[@andrewfornes5320]

The first time I saw that card (pulled it in the prerelease) it literally made me swap what colors I was building due to how powerful it is.

[@sosukelele]

3 keywords + 3 related abilities, how did you not have this memorized? It's like you haven't been reciting the Iliad from memory

[@RyanOlander]

@@sosukelele my dude, it's called a joke.

[@sosukelele]

​​@@RyanOlanderyeah, I was making one as well - comparing questing beast to one of the longest pieces of classic literature. I'm agreeing with you, why are you upset?

[@RyanOlander]

@@sosukelele classic case of "reading the comment explains the comment." I stopped reading before I got to that part. My apologies.

[@chasm9557]

The only reason I'll never forget what Questing Beast does is because I have a Questing Beast fog tribal deck and play it often enough to remember all its text.

[@01MEGABOB]

Questing beast turbo fog is the best! It’s my most hated deck at the table.

[@RobThePrincess]

I really want to make a Horse Tribal deck that includes Raging River so that i can make a reference to the Timeless Classic, The Mummy™. "Hey O'Connell! Looks to me I've got all the horses!"

[@brandonbentz3555]

" Hey Benny, looks to me you're on the wrong side of the river"

[@shrewder]

Are you talking about the 1999 cinematic masterpiece, The Mummy, starring Brendan Fraser and Rachel Weisz?!?

[@hovercar00]

that Sister Hazel joke wasn't a deep cut, it was a generational cut lol

[@KomradeKrisis1701]

The discussion of different impulse draw timings has made me want to get a playmat printed up that has a separate zone for each of the different exile timings 😂😂

[@matd2892]

I do not understand why people don't just put the tokens their decks make into the deck box with the deck. It's never a surprise that you'll make something, so come prepared players!

[@JusticeJudge]

Yep this is one of my biggest annoyance, be responsible have your token, especially if you are using stuff like Beast Within you destroyed my thing have the token to hand to me to use. There is plenty of space in a deck box.

[@diggerdog9205]

This!

[@Spike-hl2mw]

I am a fanatic about having all the tokens I need for a deck, and it drives me nuts when people inadequately represent their tokens. "Oh this D6 is actually three 4/4 flyers that you just attacked into. And these pieces of lint are treasure tokens that I can use for my counter spell." Infinitokens are fine, but I prefer official tokens for my decks.

[@TheUltimateRey]

I buy singles so I don’t like buying tokens but I do have a bunch laying around already so I do this with my decks, even if I don’t have the exact token needed i try and grab something close enough

[@brandontankersley8107]

I had a great little bamboozle moment earlier on Arena. I was playing the new Disa Lhurgoyf commander with Maskwood Nexus on the board. I went to cast Mindwrack Demon, when my opponent counters it with Lofty Denial. Neither of us realized that, thanks to Disa's ability, countering my creature spells didn't matter because I would still get them back, since it was put into the graveyard from somewhere other than the battlefield. I cackled when her ability triggered unexpectedly 😆.

[@sarahbuck2506]

"During Pride month you do this to me?!" XD Love it, never change

[@grantmurdock7385]

Raging River has an infuriating thing in common with Space Beleren.

[@sosukelele]

It just splits the battlefield, who doesn't love taking up 3 times the table space? Unban Shahrazad!

[@drkatz1192]

Literally perfect timing as I’m working on discharges and clinical reports on my Friday afternoon. Love you guys! Especially you Joey!

[@JamesSamson487]

As a Kros player, I can actually speak to Tolerian Contempt. The problem isn’t that it’s overlooked, it’s that it isn’t worth the mana cost. In my deck, there are only 4 cards that are 5+ mana cost. 2 are boardwipes, 1 is a massive recursion lifelinker, and the last is a flyer that searches a finisher and lets me control combat without my commander. Tolarian Contempt just can’t do what the others are doing, and what it can do, other spells are doing for less.

[@zackkelley2940]

It's so slow. 5cmc to bounce a single thing on your endstep is painfully slow. It's also completely useless if there's nothing with rejection counters on it (if, for example, someone decides to boardwipe). Why run this, when even something like Heidar Rimewind Master or Alexi Zephyr Mage could do the job better?

[@RyanOlander]

It it comes to confusing/bamboozling cards, don't feel bad just cutting them. It's ok. We play this to have fun, not to feel overwhelmed.

[@inkliizii]

I have a Laelia deck, with does a LOT of impulse draw, and I just have a few Infinitokens marked "End of this turn", "End of next turn", "Foretell", and "Other", so I can keep track of impulse draw, foretold cards, and other stuff (including Brazen Cannonade, but also things like Rebound and Squee, the Immortal). Lots of stuff going on in an exile deck

[@fairygoodmuller8065]

I did the same with my prosper, having multiple exile zones of EoT and EoNT and shifting cards down zones at the start of my turn.

[@JayconianArts]

I run a Shadowheart and Noble Heritage Deck, and I have a little token card i give to opponents to help remind them of what the protection does, and also to remind me of who has taken my deals.

[@dominicsandoval2214]

I'm going to use this from now on, thank you

[@sorren001]

A really helpful thing that we have in our playgroup is one of our friends 3D printed keyword counters that we will put on every thing that has that keyword to make it a easy visual for combat especially on big tables when there is a lot going on.

[@PatternBlue]

My playgroup has repeatedly assumed Eowyn, Shieldmaiden has flying because the art shows her mid-leap. I always remind them if it comes up, but sometimes they just silently avoid attacking me with their fliers. I also don't think it helps that by the time you finish reading her second ability, all you remember is that her keyword started with "F" lol.

[@blazenator44]

“During pride month” absolutely sent me 😂

[@admanios]

31:20 Ah yes. One of the ancient arguments, alongside "does regenerate mean that I can return Drudge Skeletons from the graveyard?" and "when I tap Llanowar Elves, does that mean I search for a forest to put into play?".

[@fergusfisher1315]

Found a new bamboozle card recently, Mana Echoes. It’s only half symmetrical, when a given creature type enters under anyone’s control, you get x mana where x is the number of creatures *you* control that have that type.

[@benjaminfortune2707]

Invasion Plans is pretty interesting 13:25 -- I've recently gotten into Magic & was thinking about trying to make a Yugioh themed deck. It brings the combat step differences between the two games into almost parity, except 'tapped' cards can't block & all creatures attack at once.

[@thriftypsgr]

11:54 I was playing ancestral mask for six months before somebody told me that it counts everybody’s enchantments. It made my commander a 38/38

[@davidstar2686]

Reconaissance reprint looks awesome!!!

[@olivierdebilde4292]

I use art version of a wizard, warrior, rogue and cleric to keep track of m'y advancement in my Party deck. It also somewhat tells a story at the same time.

[@sqentontheslime1967]

I recently made a Yasharn, Implaceable earth deck in cocatrice- Yasharn stops players from using cards or abilities that require sacrificing stuff, which includes treasure tokens but currently I *have* some treasure token effects in the deck to play him asap and I can’t help but imagine I’ll run face first into that wall eventually, I’ll have to wait for him to die before I can crack a mind stone too. I wouldn’t doubt other people forgetting the pig’s aura either.

[@MasterVanoi]

32:00 another thing about new people missing these niche rulings is treasure food clue and shrines aren't creature types but all sit on the same type line. Noted more so with shrines I guess.

[@nsmjohn]

Bloodchief Ascension is very bamboozling. Takes at least 3 turns to activate with quest counters. Once "on" any card going to the graveyard for any reason triggers it: mill, discard, destruction, casting, etc. Then the ability is loss of life and life gain. Super easy to forget quest triggers since you only check at the end of turn. Once on, it feels like it should be easy to remember that any time a card goes to the graveyard you get a trigger but I frequently forget that cast instants and sorceries should give me a trigger because they go to the GY as they resolve.

[@austins7376]

A think I notice is the rules text in parenthesis trips people up and myself included. For example, if I have Panharmonicon on the board, sometimes ACTIVATED abilities can give other things ETB triggers without you noticing because in the parenthesis it says "when is enters..." so that effect would double from Panharmonicon. A lot of the times I'll see something that has an activated ability and just assume other effects may not resolve.

[@Magnafiend]

Naked Singularity comes to mind almost IMMEDIATELY

[@RenzZlax]

Id love to hear an episode on like mechanics youd like to see more/less support for or custom mechanics youd like to see

[@alexrogall4543]

That shout out was a real bittersweet moment in this episode

[@ВасяПупкин-ш3ф4у]

Impulse draw - prosper can play until your next end step... And 3 mana enchantment that exiles at upkeep and can played when opponent was damaged...

[@kirbyfanprime]

Nobody in the comments talking about Conquerer's Flail, so it's up to me. It's the absolute most heinous of the "can't cast on my turn" cards because it's never going to be in a place that it can be easily referenced when it would actually matter. The effect is only on if it's equipped to something, which usually leads it being under another creature, so you can't see the rules text, or it being buried in an Equipment/Aura pile. I actually completely lost a game that I had on lock because I wasn't aware of what it did and let it resolve, which rendered my entire gameplan useless (U/W Heliod). So, no, I will never forget about the Flail now, and nobody else should.

[@aubroski3962]

Kros defense contractor mentioned!!!!! Ive been using this commander for awhile and it shocks people. Do not consider tolerian contempt though, it is such a high cmc for a once per turn effect. I've used it and never liked it.

[@andrewbillings9547]

Between the MoM and Dr Who precons, I have a handful of Planar dice. I use them whenever I need a quick one or two turn reminder on something instead of a D6 so I don't mistake it for a +1/+1. If I goad something, it gets a planar die with chaos face up, as an example.

[@hugmonger]

Omfg YES! Dana's challenge here is so freaking good. I have run this since I put Kros together and my opponents are always like "It doesn't WHAT???"

[@Matazuma]

Starts at 5:12

[@hunterhamiltondvdscv2323]

God's. Work.

[@sneedsfeedandseed420]

🫡

[@jacquesdespadas]

I had Panharmonicon in an enchantress deck with lots of both cast triggers and etb triggers. Things got wild fast. War’s Toll will mess with people’s plans like very few cards can.

[@nicnax96]

Not that you all have time to talk about everything, but two Bamboozles that I still find to this day are Lands like Nimbus Maze and River of Tears and what color mana they make. What Dana said about cards having characteristics based on the art, cards having REACH but having the word oddly placed in the text box.

[@Blacklodge_Willy]

If you don't mind me asking, what do you find confusing about those lands?

[@JoshuaSanville]

How I help people remember the Noble Heritage, Orzhov Advokist, and Agitator Ant triggers in my Anim Pakal deck is that I give them one of my dice. I have these bright neon-green dice and I ask them to use that dice for my triggers to remember which counters are their's and which came from them taking the deal from my cards.

[@kwagmeijer26]

I wish they designed more global effects over only you or only opponents

[@Insanir]

I myself play The Second Breen / Xena, Warrior Princess (2. Doctor/Leela) and I make sure people won't forget the deal. But most times people taking the deal did'nt have the intention to attack you anyway. Also....Leela, Sevateem Warrior tends to get really big really fast...

[@gulgothica]

Infijitokens are The Thing for reminders. I hand them to others when they have unusual stuff going on and I write my own when there’s something strange. My daughters use post-it notes the same way :)

[@andrewfornes5320]

So, Zurzoth, Chaos Rider - The Mono-Red draw/discard Devil is a card that reads in a way which can cause people to get confused about his effect. I had to read and re-read him a few times when he was released; now he is one of my favorite commanders. Sometimes I have to explain his first effect to players that are newer to the game.

[@richarddilkes328]

Good protection acronym: D.E.B.T. Damage Enchanted Blocked Targeted

[@AeroQC]

Concerning global card effects, I had this happen to me when I cast Helm of Awakening which reduces spell costs by one generic mana. It completely slipped my mind that it actually affects everyone at the table and not just me, so it ended up being that one of my opponents got to get their combo going one turn early. I'm cutting the card from my deck in favour of something else.

[@Spike-hl2mw]

Yea I never play symmetrically beneficial (or harmful) effects unless I know I can break parity.

[@Lochaberr]

I've never seen a creature break people's brains so thoroughly as Angel of Destiny. Bonus points if you give your team lifelink with True Conviction or an Odric or something so the math happens twice!

[@SmilingUndead]

One card that always trips me up is actually xenagos god of revels, I play this deck a LOT and I STILL think it gives trample from time to time, same goes for devotion in general where I often tend to forget to count my devotion for those gods, or for Gary, or anything devotion related as it slips my mind.

[@mmmmmq]

Similar to the story about Dragonlord Dromoka, I used to run Obeka or Sundial of the Infinite effects, and it is funny to see someone trying make a big instant speed play at my end step. I’d ask them multiple times : “ are you REALLY sure you want to do that?”😂

[@delailama736]

I think the Propaganda and Ghostly Prison effects really throw people off because they have these huge turns and spend their mana playing their Craterhoof just for you to say "are you gonna pay the two mana each?" I have recently been playing Arena and I get this a lot with Archangel of Tithes where someone will cast 4 spells, get their Slickshot Showoff to 11 power and then concede because they can't attack.

[@Jerhevon]

Gisella, the angelic 6th praetor, who says double damage for foes, half damage for me. And also makes the green player slam into you ineffectually. XD

[@violetto3219]

when i play with Solitary Confinement, i tend to forget to actually skip my draw step and discard a card on upkeep, which has probably unfairly skewed games in my favor just a bit. I also tend to forget it gives me shroud because not that many cards actually target players

[@thorbalt1]

1027 cards target players. 1027 is a number that would indeed qualify as "many"

[@brandonbentz3555]

@@thorbalt1 1027÷27000= 3.8% =not many

[@egoish6762]

Dead ringers is just destroy 2 creatures that are exactly the same colour(s)? Unless i missed something it looks pretty straight forward. Chains of mephistopheles is my go to for confusing cards. We've started using a mistake counter for our cedh games to help people notice they are missing triggers and such, makes you a lot more aware of your game rule violations.

[@kwagmeijer26]

accursed marauder forcing "non-token" sacrifice is a big one here.

[@Frankenstein3r]

tax effects like thalia and vryn wingmare. People always forget about them if it's not actively stopping them to be able to play the card they want the turn after they come down.

[@monkeyman-mm8qc]

"Turns 90° so easily" you missed your chance to make a "just the right angle" joke

[@VincentWolfeye]

Least favourite bamboozle was a time then I played a when of misfortune into a Narset parter of veils 😑 Instaquit that game since none of us non narset players had any hands to play with.

[@diggerdog9205]

Bet you won't do that again!

[@HamburgerTime_]

Disappointed we didn't at least get a Challenge the Stats for the card "Bamboozle"

[@seyah3246]

I’ve been using questing beast for beast tribal. It’s so good.

[@TheKumaXKuma]

So should Chaosphere be used in a mono-red deck or not? Asking for a friend (Joking. I most definitely will). I use psychic link in my "Watcher in the water" deck and it's hilarious. Having a player sigh at their draw engine is a guilty pleasure of mine.

[@imaginarymatter]

Coat of Arms is a card I never play anymore because it takes 5 minutes every attack step to re-determine every creature's power and toughness.

[@esergio]

Same!

[@thorbalt1]

imagine how easy it would be to realize that dice can be used to track more things than just life or +1/+1 counters

[@oliverhenneberger6054]

Knowledge Pool can bei very confusing. Especially If the Controller makes a Copy of it.

[@DarkJusticeMetal]

Guys, when it comes to protection, you gotta learn about DEBT. Things with protection can't be: - Dealt damage - Enchanted or equipped - Blocked - Targeted

[@ALTR_no_EGO]

One of my bamboozling cards is Urabrask, Heretic Praetor. It doesn't matter if it's mine, or someone else's... I always forget to exile instead of a regular draw. Then, I remember to, on the turn he's removed. 😂

[@ww11gunny]

Honestly i think sometimes when i play someone could tell me Questing beast can do made up absurd ability and i would believe it.

[@KingRon88]

I'm not a smart player. I ask about and read cards in between players steps all the time. And when analyzing the board state of other players. I tend to mentally tune out more different played cards. I end up just targeting the complex cards cause it's challenging to keep remembering it lol. Basic player patterns.

[@54SCV8]

I have searched with an Opposition Agent on the field.

[@samcates5308]

The number of times I've confused the D in DEBT for protection mechanics as "Destruction" is embarrassing.

[@DoylePrime]

LOL "not a magic player, we just play one on TV"

[@ajellis3914]

I immediately thought of force of despair, hope it's on here

[@sethdaley2821]

I despise the wording on mythos of nethroi. The wording feels like not a sentence and makes my brain just go smooth.

[@Demorabilia]

Who else discovered here that Urza’s Incubator affects all players? 🙌🏻 Been playing commander since 2018 😂

[@jonathanfagerlund976]

Doran affects my opponents?? Sovereigns of Lost Alara doesn't have flying???

[@michaelgeurts9405]

Oh that Kardur is an interesting one. That went straight past me.

[@jglaab]

The voting cards from LOTR break my brain haha

[@Friscis]

When did chase (mana curves) stop editing the show/getting a shout-out. This is the first episode I noticed but I went back a few episodes and couldn't find a shout-out in them either.

[@diggerdog9205]

A 5 color deck with all the cards from this video? Sounds deece

[@spearhead2054]

So disappointing that there's not a single mention of the card Bamboozle. Not one!

[@patricksaville8672]

Great video guys! I love your episodes. Quick question tho, I’ve heard you all mention your decks, Joey did a video about his decks but I haven’t seen any videos where you three play them. Can this be remedied? Lol

[@masterthnag105]

Invasion plan..... now my key card in the rampage deck I want to make.

[@thorbalt1]

Melee (ice age) is actually better. Basically the same thing at instant speed that you can only cast during attack declarations. Sure some people would say the downside of removing unblocked creatures from combat is a big no go but that can actually work in your favor by leaving blockers and sniping things off the board that are a problem, and it keeps things only in your favor and not letting everyone choose who blocks what when they attack

[@masterthnag105]

@@thorbalt1 no reason not to use both

[@54SCV8]

I have miniature flags I put on cards.

[@KomradeKrisis1701]

This is possibly a weird bit of feedback, but I am somewhat saddened that with the introduction of the Ultimate Guard sponsorship, we are no longer treated to a picture of Chase every episode 😭

[@blemski]

Day and night mechanic

[@Pumapeach]

Relative beeble.

[@Drag00nSt0rm]

Before watching, I was imagining that "cards that bamboozle you" was referring more to "Gotcha!" moments. I had one such moment when I was playing a Piper Wight deck against Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. I was so fixated on Mikaeus as a combo piece that I forgot it also says "whenever a Human deals damage to you, destroy it." Woops. But anyway, now that I understand what this topic is really about, I think my pick for most bamboozling card is Chains of Mephistopheles. No matter how many times I read it or hear someone explain it, I still don't get what it does or how to resolve it. Good news: it's not something I've actually seen at a table, and hopefully I never will.

[@philippniemann8842]

What is sister Hazel?! 🤷

[@SeriosSkies92]

Partner Sidar.

[@MTGJosh]

Raging River ability is on the unset Space Beleren but he makes 3 lanes

[@thriftypsgr]

11:54 I was playing ancestral mask for six months before somebody told me that it counts everybody’s enchantments. It made my commander a 38/38

[@tiantuatara]

Infinitokens are great. Someone had 5 artifacts and auras on their commander. The best way to keep track of the power & toughness was to do the math on an infinitoken and update it every turn.

[@nsmjohn]

This is an amazing idea, thank you (I have a Voltron deck and it is a problem)

[@tiantuatara]

@@nsmjohn Yep, my friend had a Voltron going and every token artifact that got created changed the numbers. The infinitoken made it so much easier.

[@N8Maple01]

You can also use them to remind you of other actions you can take, like they mentioned retrace in the video. Kind of like Arena makes the actions you can take a part of your "hand", you can put a reminder infinitoken into your hand.

[@tiantuatara]

@@N8Maple01 Really good idea!

[@stephenbowes2187]

My favourite use for them is Goyfs. Because there are so many different things Goyfs care about, it's great for counting creatures in all graves, in your grave, ticking off card types, etc, all on one card. I love ir

[@AxillaryPower2]

A card that I've used that has bamboozled my opponents is Leonine Shikari plus various equipment like Lightning Greaves and Basilisk Collar. It doesn't always grok with people that these effectively gives the whole team Shroud or Deathtouch, respectively. People aren't used to equipment freely moving between creatures.

[@ericperry2032]

44:45 Among other things, Protection specifically prevents damage. Questing Beast gets around this. Try this the next time your opponent smugly reminds you they "played The One Ring and have protection from everything" when you attack: Confirm they're not blocking and then use Chord of Calling (or Aether Vial, etc.) to drop Questing Beast on the battlefield when they pass priority during the Declare Blockers step. It's a "Gotcha" moment. You're not likely to endear yourself to that player. If they've been behaving poorly that game, though, it can be really satisfying.

[@CatharticCards]

Thank you! This is super informative for me!

[@crovax1375]

You can also use Stomp from Bonecrusher Giant's adventure to achieve the same result, you might have to be creative and target yourself though

[@51gunner]

@@crovax1375 Skullcrack on yourself also works and has a hilarious moment of "your protection doesn't work because I have too much brain damage to notice".

[@crovax1375]

@@51gunner that's a flavor win if I've ever seen one! 😂😂😂

[@fairygoodmuller8065]

hey, if someone ever does that to me, i'd be more impressed than anything.

[@davidfirth6325]

I was so upset at work today cause you guys really Jumpstart my Fridays and I had to actually listen to coworkers this morning besides learning new dad jokes with that late day release lol

[@dungeonsanddacnomania4731]

Questing Beast is the classic example, but I think the New Thalia and the Gitrog Monster is up there. It's abilities just keep going. I have a deck with them as the commander and I still forget to either sac and draw or that everyone else's stuff enters tapped, specifically their non basic land

[@SlotCurrentlyEmpty]

I just builded mine! I feel like it's a Rhystic Study deck because I have to remind every players, every turns about tapped stuff and other stax going on... However that worth it just to see the look on their faces! About sacking i'm never forgetting because the deck is heavily builded around Crucible, bloodghast and Scute swarm and i love drawing cards!

[@dungeonsanddacnomania4731]

@@SlotCurrentlyEmpty nice! Mine is built as an enchantress deck with lands being just a subtheme. Plus, I just love giving them trample and seeing peoples realization that Firststrike, deathtouch, and trample means that blocking is not only undesirable, it's practically impossible.

[@Cybelenn]

I count on my hand for each spell that is casted for my day night cycle. I also am forced to pay attention more to who cast the spells cause the old werewolves dont work with the day night the same way.

[@Jerhevon]

For a few things I'll have like a set of counters to put out as effects happen. Cards drawn for Flip Heliod and such. Or to catch 2nd card cast, but it is fiddly work. Often play a deck without such book keeping the following game. (I don't build nearly enough such decks...)

[@ArtGuyCharlie]

Something that mixes up my group a lot is that most spirit tokens have flying but the colorless 1/1s do not.

[@ty_sylicus]

"That card is Invasion Plans." 😂 🤣 It's been impossible to find a deck for this.

[@crss29]

Matt's sense of humor didn't return with him after he was away a couple of episodes ago.

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

People forget that protection is damage prevention right up until the moment you remind them by ending prevention and rolling right through their one ring.