Carl Jung’s Outdated Beliefs About Race

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

👍 Enjoyed the video? Please give it a like 💚 Patreon: patreon.com/thelivingphilosophy ☕ Ko-fi: ko-fi.com/thelivingphilosophy ⌛ Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 2:13 Jung: A Racist 5:46 One African Race 8:53 Nature>Nurture 11:31 Jung on African Americans 16:58 Defence 1: Primitive Compliment 19:21 Defence 2: Man of His Times 21:50 Implications

[@nupraptorthementalist3306]

I positively don't care at this point.

[@Snakeoil9345]

Maybe you should criticize Jung for not writing about gender studies.

[@janetrock8905]

Lol

[@noxplay4906]

Next title gonna be "Carl Jung Was Transphobic."

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

Why?

[@AMeanDude]

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[@Squashmalio]

@@noxplay4906 lmao. I laughed, but I'm crying, because I have to share a world with people who's minds are all twisted in knots over this meaningless bullshit (I support trans people btw, only criticizing people who obsess over making sure everyone treats everyone else exactly the same, like we are all in kindergarden). If you wanna protect black people then try to reform police departments or school zoning, don't go after Carl fucking Jung lmao

[@priceyindividual2995]

We argue over whether or not Jung was a racist but not over whether or not he was correct or lying.

[@hayria123]

I don't think he was lying. Its sound as though he was jealous of the influence that Black Americans have in American culture and popular culture in general. Belief in the superiority of ones race has to be questioned when the people who you claim are inferior to you are more influential than you. Jung comes from a long line of Europeans with an inferiority complex that he projects onto those he is jealous of. This is no different than incels crying about the "Bad Guys" getting all the girls.

[@wolfh9831]

@@hayria123 You cooked. You won KZbin for the day. You earned this 👑

[@AMeanDude]

@@hayria123 "Recognizing patterns means you have an inferiority complex, wow! And Jung is like an incel btw!" What a great analysis dude. Lmao.

[@hayria123]

@AMeanDude I don't think Jung was recognizing patterns as it relates to the Negro. I think he was trying to justify his belief in the superiority of the white race. By claiming that the Negro is backward or lower on the evolutionary ladder, he is calling for segregation in a covert way. Seeing the popularity and influence of the American Negro, he is in fear of cultural and eventually genetic defeat. Defeat by a people whose culture and genes he arrogantly believes to be inferior to his. But subconsciously, he feels inferior to the Negro. An inferior people shouldn't be so culturally dominant and influential. Instead of rethinking his beliefs about the culture of the so called "primitive negro", he creates the argument of devolution. That is, separate from the negro or devolve back into your primitive state. The conclusion can't be that the American negro has a attractive culture that people like. This fact must be a bad thing because blacks are inferior.

[@Shad0wack]

@@hayria123 What, no mention of penis size to your yap?

[@Hosenanzugtasche]

He, as a person, is literally outdated as in dead. Why does someone always need to bother trying to unearth dead people by dredging through their ideas looking for "hints" at some "problematic thought". If they didn't flat out staple their theories onto discrimination, does it even matter? Just use their work while also using your head.

[@alunjprice]

I don’t understand why you are surprised by the lack of modernity in his thinking, ever since Plato we are the same but different and evolved.

[@e7m10]

They’ll call you every name in the book but never a liar.

[@NanakiRowan]

Well no, he wasn't a liar, because the study of genetics and evolutionary biology (which debunk his views) hadn't become mainstream yet.

[@frateranpvbail-shm6912]

@@NanakiRowan genetics and evolutionary biology """debunk""" his views in no shape or form quite the contrary

[@NanakiRowan]

@@frateranpvbail-shm6912 Yeah they do. Profoundly so in fact.

[@permanentlybotulated]

@@NanakiRowan he hasn't been debunked by any study of genetics and evolutionary biology at all, just vindicated

[@NanakiRowan]

@@permanentlybotulated It has indeed been debunked. Decades ago in fact.

[@noxplay4906]

Next video: Carl Jung Was Transphobic.

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

Probably

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

Probably transphobic btw**

[@hardcorevictor2552]

That's not a crime !

[@lordhegel600]

As he should have been...

[@RaoulLo-u8y]

Cambridge defines psychological projection thus: “[T]he act of imagining that someone else feels a particular emotion or wants something when in fact it is you who feels this way; an example of this act: Projection is where you see in others what is really within yourself.” Unfortunately, it seems you’re unaware of your own defense mechanisms and fall for the habit to see everything from the self-righteous, virtue-signaling tendency currently common in Western societies. Like many in the media and academia, you seem willing and eager to gaslight your own audience to assert what you perceive to be your moral and intellectual superiority but is in fact woke condescension. Contrary to you, Jung wasn’t obsessed with racial phenotypes and identity politics, he knew too well how media scavengers were prone and excited about misrepresenting the work of anyone who dared present controversial ideas, especially in the study of the human mind. The mind is really what preoccupied him the most: the origin and meaning of archetypal representations of the unconscious. In other words, he tried to understand human fears, obsessions and motivations by analysing, describing and yes, characterizing the ‘imaginary’ world springing forth from the deepest recess of the mind. The act of characterizing doesn’t imply denying the rights and value of people of races or different origins, especially when it comes to unconscious archetypal representations. Perhaps you should try to turn your gaze inwardly and find your own shadow instead of projecting on people such as Jung the obscure stigmatizations of your own age.

[@Squashmalio]

damn, this is why you don't use racial tensions to clickbait youtube views when you actually have an intelligent audience. Because you get destroyed in the comments, over and over again. Then again, I guess all these comments are only helping the algorithm, giving him more views :( Hopefully the many unsubs he's sure to get evens it out. Perhaps Jung was racist, but it's VERY clear what the motivatoin behind making this video was, and it is frankly embarassing at this point. I thought the West was finally overcoming all this braindead culture war shit... I guess I just haven't been paying attention

[@RaoulLo-u8y]

@@Squashmalio You’re obviously right regarding click-baiting, but I also think there’s more to it. It’s quite popular nowadays for various individuals and groups to try debunking great thinkers and authors based on their own religious or ideological prejudices, or out of gratuitous spite. So, Mr. ‘living philosopher’ thinks he can exorcise and put Jung and other great thinkers in their own neat little boxes, whilst earning advertisement revenue! However, regardless of his feeble argument, it’s simply wrong to throw the antisemite or racist epithet at Jung. Jung was an extremely busy man who not only wrote copiously but kept his clinical practice whilst assuming the responsibility of a father of five. He had no time to engage in polemics against this or that racial group and was a rather reclusive character. Although he did possess a religious disposition-and a mystical side, he rejected the idea of being a ‘guru’ or the leader of a new religion. If this was not the case, there would have been a Jung cult a long time ago! There are no verifiable instances when Jung would have discriminated against or insulted anyone based on their race, creed or religion. The few excerpts taken from his writing referred to as proof of his racism are simply twisted interpretations taken out of context, like that citation regarding Jews taken from the Red Book, which was only published 50 years after Jung’s death. I could go on and on, but it’s not worth my time anyway. It's unfortunate that the current denigration of great Western thinkers and authors, added to the exclusion-or disfiguration-of work deemed offensive by the woke brigade in academia, Hollywood and the corporate media, greatly reduces any chances for the new generations to know and appreciate their work! So we have the following paradigms: “critiquing Isreal is antisemitism;” “maternity is patriarchal oppression;” “masculinity is toxic;” “meritocracy is discrimination;” and now: “Jungian psychoanalysis is racist bigotry.”

[@commonwunder]

@@RaoulLo-u8y The one innate fallacy those with a progressive mindset are inbuilt with... is that societal progress exists. It is most prevalent in youth, or those adults with high levels of agitated personal anxiety. A constant stream of new iterations of old tools... had fooled the populace into believing the myth of progress is genuine. Yet the Western fiscal system have reached a zenith and is steadily descending into stagnation and even decline. For the vast majority of its non-entrepreneurial citizens - the dream is over. This is why current Western 'cultural' society seems to have been overtaken by progressives. There is a zeitgeist for a fundamental change, which is urgently required. But there isn't the political apparatus to achieve it There're only two political party's with exactly the same agenda. To keep the system going. So if a society is divided between those 'conservatives' that believe 'hard fought for' values and traditions are worth defending. That it is important to have universal and timeless morals to ward off anxiety and social erosion. To those 'progressives' who believe society is in desperate need of fixing. Fixing at any cost. Change is vital to their sense of acute cultural anxiety, with the fear over its decline. Then the swing towards negligible societal change ( woke ) by the 'progressive' educated elites will be noticeable. But seem aimless, meaningless and even ridiculous. Only ever the minutiae, is allowed to be managed or affected by the ordinary citizens. For progressives are impotent to achieve any meaningful alteration of society.

[@theseeker7692]

What a sad attempt at intellectual comment. Acknowledging racial biases of a psychologist is in no way a projection nor woke ideology, it is merely a matter of fact. Jung's focus doesn't matter, if his biases have clouded his deduction process. He completely failed to understand how social factors shaped individuals of different racial or geographical backgrounds, concluding that there are evolutionary differences where there are none. He is generalizing other races and infantilizing them, which means that he failed to grasp the true workings of a psyche and how it is shaped by external factors.

[@commonwunder]

@@theseeker7692 Look closely at what you're saying... if a human from a different culture is indoctrinated to 'act' like the majority culture they're accepted into... they can be taught to identify and be identical with it. Can you see how Jung might feel about this scenario... which is currently all the rage in the West?

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

Has the title gained the views you were hoping it would?

[@DJcontortion]

hey did you know this person that lived in the 50's was racist?

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

Surprisingly some people weren’t racist back then, the world is so complex!

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

@goblin-trollhybrid They were already judging people on the content of their character!

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

@@mr.horrorchild4094 but also people were racist as shit back then. Like Carl Jung

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

@@mr.horrorchild4094 Carl Jung was a piece of shit racist, but he had some ideas. You missed the point of my comment Mr. Horror Child. Is that a family name?

[@11kravitzn]

Anyone who wants to champion what is traditional or deeply ingrained in psychology should keep in mind that tribalism, prejudice, sexism and racism are deeply traditional and easily reverted to in times of stress

[@User-p7q7d]

They're inescapable. The only solution the left ever came up with is to practice these things itself.

[@PhoxKiD]

All these concepts are socially constructed and learned. As if a society cannot exist without such behaviours.

[@inlicituscognitis1743]

These behaviors are conducive to survival when a social construct collapses. I think the behaviors are over-explained beyond a simple understanding of a truth like, biologically women are smaller than men, not accepting this would be dangerous in an uncivilized world. Sticking to a group of people who raised and live around you, or tribalism, would leave you to the mercy of solitary living and potential rival tribes that would rather just take what you have, yourself included. Or observed differences in other people denotes they are of another tribe, and might not be immediately friendly and easily integrated with. I do believe it's just animal thought patterns that lie under the surface.

[@All4Randomness1]

@@inlicituscognitis1743Then why is there little to no evidence of patriarchy before the horticultural revolution?

[@santosd6065]

@@All4Randomness1 I'm sure the differences in size and strengths between the genders led to violence and abuse even in pre-neolithic communities. People are basically the same as they were back then... we always find ways of making each other miserable

[@happygucci5094]

I am a Black woman that has enjoyed the ideas of Jung- his racism well, like Heidegger… I KNOW he is and was wrong-based on his society and the ideology of his time. Heidegger was a Nazis, Karajan a famous composer was an actual Nazis- their personal failing and disgusting beliefs also do not dismiss out of hand their important contributions to Knowledge. Also Freud was deeply disturbing as well- more discussion needs to be around his very weird relationship with his daughter Ana… And I think it’s valuable and of interest to see how great minds get it wrong. Really wrong- the space between the Ideal and the embodied reality is always an interesting place for me..

[@gstrathmore194]

I remember reading that initially Freud wrote about women reporting inc*st in therapy sessions but that it caused such a social backlash to have it public that these women in polite society were saying they had been mol*st*d by their own fathers that he changed his whole philosophy to essentially imply (or maybe state outright) that women talking about inc*st had "penis envy." I'm sure I'm paraphrasing imperfectly but it was something like that. I have not read about his relationship with his own daughter.

[@Masterpeace777]

How is he wrong?

[@jackwebb3757]

Just like Michael Jackson is a great musician even though he touched kids

[@nicholasmitchell8749]

@@Masterpeace777 Ethically wrong in terms of being racist. His internalised beliefs, which like us all, inherited at birth.

[@Masterpeace777]

@nicholasmitchell8749 How is racism unethical? I have actually become more racist since birth so there goes your argument. I am sure that is true for Jung too. I love how people will accept Jung was a genius and then say he was basically an idiot when it comes to race. Who is more likely the idiot?

[@hablabamosa]

Carl Jung, Freud, Plato... it is good to recognize that none of these guys are infallible entities. One thing, I've noticed in my life, no matter how smart someone is, it won't stop them from spewing non-sense on a regular basis.

[@hectorlagos8937]

bingo 😂 try to say that to someone who base most of their "intellect" on what other people wrote though, because of course is fine when Jung points out everyone's and everything's problems, but don't you dare to point out Jung's own ones 🤦

[@hablabamosa]

@@hectorlagos8937 Well said. Even when I find myself going through phases of self-perceived superiority (not that I really have reasons to feel superior), I have to stop myself and realize that I have blind spots and that I say dumb shit all the time.

[@hectorlagos8937]

@hablabamosa it's actually surprising how much the "intellectuals" don't consider humility as a cornerstone for human thinking, which is what various religions offer 😂 i get the feeling that some "smart" people see being humble as a limitation

[@bowieupland6112]

All men are flawed. But he was 100% spot-on the subject at hand.

[@hectorlagos8937]

@@bowieupland6112 100% 😂 not even a 1% chance of being wrong 🤣 🤣🤣

[@salman6254]

I think there is something you're not quite getting here. Not to comment on Jung being racist or not, but he as well as many other psychologists believed that subjective ego-consciouness was a relatively new development in human psychology, that it's a product of language and culture, and that most of our modern religions and rituals exist to consolidate that. To Jung, the line between modern ego-consciousness and what he terms primitive consciounsess, is very thin. The one who develops this theory with really strong force is Julian Jaynes, in his book, the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind, he suggests that up until even the 1st millenium BC, humanity did not have subjective ego consciousness, and Gods played the role of consciousness which is what resulted in the divine theocracies of Ancient Mesopotomia and Egypt, the idols served a hallucinatory function that allowed men to hear the voices of Gods, this was the same with the Maya and Aztecs, and it also ties to the example of the bushmen story you mentioned with the lack of agency. It was through writing that this bicameral stage of the mind was broken down. I think reading that book would give more perspective. I do not believe that Jung saw the western man as inherently superior, in fact most of his work is focused on criticizing the directed-thinking we call ego-consciousness, his whole thrust is to explore the unconscious which the modern man isn't aware of, and he continuously stresses how easily consciousness can be overcome by unconscious forces. If it is consciousness that makes the modern man superior to Jung, then it's not a very strong line at all, since Jung himself believed that it is very easy for modern man to be possessed. Hell, his whole explanation of Germany in World war 2 was that all the people became possessed, the country collectively went through a neuroses, and people lost their agency and reverted to a more primitive state of mind. Jung does not use primitive with a negative connotation for the most part, he stresses the dangers of the ego-consciousness being overcome by unconscious forces without the individual being aware of it. I know this theory suggests that primitive tribes do not have a subjective-ego consciousness which might be hard to swallow, but it also says that most of humanity as well did not have it for much of history, and it only developed after writing, and that even for most of the world that has a sense of self right now, it is very fickle. It is not a product of race or biology, but language and culture. I would also add that Jung means something very particular when he says child-like, at least as it is apparent in symbols of transformation. He clearly states that the ancients were no less intelligent than modern man and even considers them wiser, but that they had a particular child-like type of thinking or fantasy-thinking, which is archaic or primitive but that makes it the foundation of our psyche, and still occupies a large part of modern psychology, it starts whenever directed-thinking stops. To him becoming child-like again was the final step of individuation.

[@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286]

Yeah but what you fail to realize is this is an actually intelligent analysis of the concepts, while the video was made by a man with a redditor IQ.

[@Vooodooolicious]

@@salman6254 valuable comment, I will read that book

[@Odindeturk]

Valuable comment indeed, but overlooking the fact that language and culture are products of biology and nature

[@salman6254]

@@Odindeturk Yes, but as Jung himself says "We must remember that a mere eighty generations separates us from the Golden age of Greek culture. And what are eighty generations? They shrink to an almost imperceptible span when compared with the enormous stretch of time that separates us from neanderthal or Heidelberg man" and then he quotes "The fundamental laws of the mind remain the same, at least during the short historical periods of which we have knowledge; and nearly all phenomena, even the most strange must be capable of explanation by those common laws of the mind which we can recognize in ourselves"

[@thenew4559]

Yes, exactly. Very great analysis. I believe here that he is reading a lot of moral weight into terms like “primitive”, “civilized”, etc, but Jung is using them as very literal, value-neutral descriptors. It’s just that this phraseology doesn’t align with our modern egalitarian sensibilities.

[@geoffreyah]

This video is sad. Clearly by a complete beginner in Jung's ideas and cherry picking Jung's quotes to make him look bad. Jung wrote that tribes have morality, laws, taboos and strict punishments. This video is simply a way to put down Jung and make him looked biased against primitive cultures. Jung wrote civilized man with his technology and mass mindedness is far mor destructive. Today's events and wars show this to be true. My advice is to make a new video with something intelligent instead of scapegoat psychology and persecution psychology which is what we have had enough of in modern times or scapegoating Jung to make one look smart in front of the average bear.. Racism is only overcome when it is realized as part of the evils of human nature since everyone has a shadow and Id.

[@geoffreyah]

The main problem with this Video is the taking of Jung's quotes out of context. It is the idea he was trying to portray that is important and valid that the primitive was more in his imagination than civilized man

[@YeS1711]

7:27 100% factually incorrect. The Mongol Empire was the largest land empire to date. Not the muslim caliphate (by which you refer to thw Rashidun caliphate). Also look at wgat you are saying. You are saying Jung is racist because he didnt respect the Muslims whose great achievements imclude having a big empire. So by that logic french and brits deserve more respect and civlization kudos because they had empires and maintained them longer! Honestly your freudian slip sounds kinda racist itself!

[@poopslappa1661]

That's not what he's saying. Jung says they're childlike people compared to Europeans. That alone is racist. He goes on to account for the idea that this could simply be cultural - it's not. It shouldn't be that hard to believe Jung was racist

[@Lordofthewhyz]

Interesting point!

[@Squashmalio]

Jung often spoke on the modern developments of the psyche, the newly formed layer of consciousness created by modern culture(extremely modern, as of Jung's time, so much so that it had only reached the more highly developed parts of the world). I really don't think he was wrong to say Africans at the time were "less-developed", and I know that several times in his books he went out of his way to point out that less-developed doesn't mean worse. Are we really gonna pretend that everybody, everywhere in the world, is at the exact same level of development? Not gonna lie, I stopped watching after the part about the quote at 7:12, I usually like your videos but that was too much for me. I'm a left-leaning person but I absolutely hate the fact that we can't talk about reality and have to pretend that everyone is the same in every way(people are EQUAL, but not IDENTICAL, there are differences between genders, races, etc), so many intelligent people who twist themselves into saying absolutely ridiculous things because certain parts of reality are just not okay to acknowledge nowadays.

[@Squashmalio]

if you wanna call him racist, maybe an argument could be made that he's racist against jews, as he HAS said that jews seem to be "missing something" a couple times. Not expecting him to point out differences in cultural development(and therefore development of consciousness), considering his area of focus, is crazy though

[@tgoods5049]

Yes, the anti-racist mind-virus does expect you to pretend everybody everywhere is at the exact same level of development. 100% yes.

[@PhoxKiD]

It's disingenuous to interpret "less-developed" as not meaning worse, it implies. If he wanted to make a better distinction, there are myriad of other words that he can use.

[@wesley3300]

@@PhoxKiDno, “less-developed” simply means that there are less structures built upon the basic foundation. Development is a process of bringing new structures out of what’s already built. It’s actually you that are explicitly saying that your belief is that “less-developed” means “worse,” which sounds very much like a *you* problem. By extension, you also believe that indigenous cultures and highly traditional societies in various parts of the world must be “worse” because they haven’t continued developing themselves past a certain point.

[@communications23]

There are no differences between races, because dividing humans into races is 19th century pseudoscientific nonsense. There is no definition or delineation of races that withstands 10 seconds of most rudimentary rational scrutiny.

[@nnkk7742]

It's cringe to moralize historical figures. Interpreting a psychologists work through the lens of a biologists to virtue signal is messed up on so many levels.

[@JohnnyAngel777]

*_"The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you."_* - Neil deGrasse Tyson

[@Simon-vj7sk]

Beautifully ironic

[@Julius314159]

If he had this much of a negative view during his time win racial tensions we're considerably less, one can't help but imagine what he might say of African Americans today.

[@Fokas-n8t]

Jung was onto something that you just do not want to see, you do not want to go into that area. I am not going to refer to everything he said but I will explain this through one of his sayings: "primitive = more impulsive" and "advanced = less impulsive". Impulsivity is indeed genetic. And while you get both impulsive and non-impulsive people across all races, there are statistical differences in the % of impulsiveness across different tribes, ethnic groups and races. You can do such statistics in just any human groups, no need to refer to ethnicities and races, you can e.g. compare the impulsivity of doctors and plumbers in one culture. What Jung referred to here was not that African people could not evolve, he rather said that they didn't so far. And he mentioned that when Europeans were living side by side with Africans, the Europeans were adopting some of their impulsivity. The Arabs he mentioned had actually regressed - and yes, this is historically true. After waging the biggest slave trade in human history for several centuries in a row, the Arabs had regressed so far to be closer to the stone age tribes rather than to Europeans comparatively. They were a far cry of their ancestors, for sure. And Jung openly spoke about the possibility of Europeans regressing too and first of all the Germanic nations who were more recently developed. Does that sound to you like racism, in the real sense of the word? Isn't it what we see today happening? Was Jung wrong? Or are you correct? Are you here to tell us that, e.g. US has a higher culture today than it had a 100 years ago? Put the science aside, is 2025 US culture superior to 1925 US culture, yes or no? Most people would agree that it is is inferior. Even referring to science, there is a clear deceleration of the rate of major scientific advancements in the past 50 years. By this time we thought we would be on the stars, but all we get is internet based technologies (sure admirable but not enough) and a few clunky robots, marginally better than the ones we had 80 years ago. Culture has shifted and it has shifted towards a non-productive direction which indeed leads back to barbarism, precisely as Jung had predicted. Nothing to do with racism. Just reality. Call Jung a racist only if you find a passage where he says that de-facto due to biological limitations of the black race, they cannot evolve. Jung never said that. On the opposite, as mentioned, Jung said that Germanic people themselves were relatively new comers to higher civilization unlike the Mediterranean people. This reminds us of how Aristotle was esteeming that the "northerners of Europe" (i.e. western-northern Europeans) were people inherently incapable of developing high culture and the reason was their inferior intellect. Which is true since the 100% of references of Greeks and Latins on the intellect and cultural level of other Europeans were disparaging - Europeans be it Celtics or Nordics or Slavs were indeed of very low average intelligence and Greeks and Latins/Italians rightfully described them as intellectually inferior to the point that they would be very surprised to find out that centuries later they took the civilizational lead post-Renaissance. Which precisely proves the point of Jung : i.e. that cultures can elevate themselves but they can also regress back to barbarism. And the latter is far, far easier to do.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

True. Cultural evolution and decadence then is something, but to be able to know what is more advanced and less advanced culturally, we'd need to have a really clear definition. You say one of the attributes of advanced civilisation is a reduction in impulsivity? This seems to be a preferencing for the rational over the instinctual. Impulsivity is biological and therefore instinctual, instinct is the animal side of man and so a connection is drawn with that. Humanity out of touch with its instincts ends up neurotic and split, primative instinctual man has far less of that, but apparently at a cost to advances in other fields of life.

[@kaleb51]

"Most people would agree that it is is inferior" -sure bro.....Even if i just consider culture in terms of music, im sure a lot of people would rather listen to mozart than hip hop right? lmao you people are so funny and will say the wildest stuff to justify your biases.

[@qipian]

Your argument lacks consistency from an empirical point of view. You infer Arab culture regressed due to their vicinity to “primitives” during the Arab slave trade, while also claiming 1925 American culture was better than it is in 2025. For an Italian, Irish, Jewish or etc. the America experience is far better culture in 2025. The only increase with vicinity of your so called “primitives” could be in entertainment, but even that is a stretch with its weight on the differences between 1925 vs 2025 culture from a multivariate perspective. Carl Jung like Freud’s theories are flawed and not even scientifically verifiable. Racial hierarchy thinking is a waste of time and literally comes from a primitive place.

[@Fokas-n8t]

@@qipian Ι bypass the case of Arabs because apparently you lack a lot of background historical information on this subject. I will only tell you that the average cultural level of almost every single Arab-speaking region was l a m e n t a b l e, the result of a 1000 years of barbarism and the most massive slave trade ever in human history. I want to focus on what you mentioned about Italians, Irish, Jewish etc. esteeming that US culture in 2025 is better than the one in 1925. A culture's high or low points is not judged by the feelings of outsiders and how well these are accepted in that culture. In fact barbarism is not just about attacking indiscriminately any other group. Barbarism is equally any weak culture, the product of weaklings that have no power to resist and thus are forced to accept just any foreigner coming in and sleeping over. But I was not commenting on that, I was commenting on the cultural output. USA in the 1920s had a dynamism which post-WWII started gradually waning especially since the 1970s. As always the artists were precursors of this cultural downfall, and it is indicative what styles of art prevailed since the 1950s/60s and onwards. However, an excellent metric of the cultural downfall in the past 100 years is the comparison of the level of highschool graduates in 1925 and the ones of today who often can't even write their own name correctly. Let us not pretend that it is otherwise. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. There was trash in the 1920s but it tended to be kept in the margins. Today the mainstream culture itself is a big pile of trash.

[@SociologistEugenFitzherbert]

fantastic comment!!

[@arraiacc]

I came across your channel back in late 2022 or early 2023, it really did save me during some trying times and got me into reading source text. One of my fav videos of yours was the one you did on Camus and Satre's differences during the Algerian War of Independence. Your channel is such a gem, thank you. Checking out some of your recent stuff (which I love, of course) I've noticed the comment section is full of really hateful and one dimensional comments. Not sure what that's about... I assume it may have been due to the Foucault vids? In any case, I wanted to share my appreciation for your work and your insights. It really is nothing like I've come across on this platform. Thank you again.

[@kelechi_77]

It's why he took down his biggest video, it brought in a whole new wave of fans like that

[@clavicleofcernunnos]

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[@wolfh9831]

It’s good to see not everyone is racist. It’s a shame so many people jump to defend racism. What makes me feel better is knowing that most of these people wouldn’t be brave enough to say their opinions irl.

[@aminyt8742]

​@@wolfh9831 "Everyone who disagre with me is racist, everything that I like is good and right"

[@BoB-uy5ro]

“We need to become depth psychologists, not Jungians.” And I think he would attest to that as he said that morality is a creative act and that theory can only go so far and should be tossed aside once the individual comes into view. You nailed it on the head-he was a pioneer.

[@BoB-uy5ro]

I really do appreciate how committed you’ve been to this task, btw. I’ve listened to Jungians and historians speak on this same thing but you surfaced new sources and quotes I hadn’t heard before.

[@isifa5009]

Carl Jung was a psychoanalyst whose work has enabled for his students to transcend social limitations pointing out social constructs, identifying them, and illustrating their difficulty in explaining its correlation with different living experiences

[@discursion]

The funny thing is how common notions from today will one day be looked back as completely out of touch or barbaric, like how we treat animals, for instance.

[@noxplay4906]

And how we treat our own unborn children. Every era has it's evils.

[@DeathsVeil-n8k]

Yea, And?

[@noxplay4906]

Lol bro just realized that differences in ethnicity and culture actually matter. And perhaps, instead of ignoring this reality that has been apparent to people all across human history, perhaps we ought to acknowledge these differences, which is the actual pathway to coming up with a solution to racism. The secular humanist, globalist mindset of "oh, just toss a bunch of random groups of people in the same pot and let them figure it out," it's not gonna work. It hasn't worked. We've seen that. Just look, at the state of the UK. That's the answer in front of the face.

[@JamiFTO]

Shallow for someone watching philosophy videos😂😂

[@z_is_for_zombie7423]

@@JamiFTOresponding to a video that deserves no more effort.

[@TheGhostofCarlSchmitt]

People following this channel: remember that Mr. Living Philosophy once made a video in which he explains why he didn't publish a video in which he explored the relationship between French intelligentsia and the advocacy to remove the laws concerning the age of consent in France, because "some people would understand it in the wrong way"... In my eyes, everything he says must be contextualized through the pretty clearly established fact that he has a heavy ideological bias - if the use of the words "racism" and "islamophobia" in the way he uses them in this video wasn't a big enough indication already.

[@TestTest-hh5mp]

I see this as an absolute win

[@helendietrich7566]

Perhaps, most people who develop a new theory in psychology or human history (or perhaps, any subject for that matter) have a tendency to overapply it and fail to see where it falls short. It is a responsibility of critics and future generations to point it out. Thank you for this essay. I learned something new.

[@nylondaimon]

this was literally how all western "liberal" people thought back then before the actual liberation movement and civil rights, MLK, etc.

[@JungianMuslim]

Exactly this. He is framing it as if Jung was extra racist or something just because he went really in-depth analyzing the racism of the society in which he was a part of. Whilst most other "enlightened" western WHITE thinkers of his time preferred to just turn a blind eye to it.

[@kant.68]

True. Actually Marxism was necessary for that changes to happen. For good or for bad , because material conditions do matter. And science became an ideology during the XIX century

[@toviashapiro6772]

Really discouraging to see people hyper focusing on grievances about “wokeness” when the main point of the video, clearly illustrated, is not to cancel Jung or throw the proverbial baby out of the bath water, but to build on the good work done by Jung, acknowledge his flaws in a manner that I think is more charitable than the characterization of “woke” movements, that we look inward at ourselves, push ourselves to transcend the cheap assumptions and bigotries that people of today get a pass on, to hold ourselves to higher standards, and allow for us to transform our own outdated or prejudiced viewed when good criticism by our peers demands it of us.

[@n.m4497]

((()))

[@NanakiRowan]

@tr-qr7pw There are more differences within so-called "races" than between them, so it really isn't a problem.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

I agree, James i thought made this unmistakenly clear.. yet misunderstanding persists. Even if we dismiss race as a reality, would there still be something like a collective cultural unconscious? Someone is more inclined to have a vision of Jesus than Krishna for example.. That was more Jung's way of thinking, that these unconscious processes are going on behind the scenes. Although the thinking about 'race' and the body and brain as a kind of crystallization of the more subtle collective unconscious was part of Jung's thinking, he was an platonist in the sense that he saw that kind of relationship between the world of forms and its representations. Race then could be seen as a manifestation of a particular aspect of the psyche, a constellation of archetypes and drives peculiar to that group. I think Jung can exist without the remnants of racial hierarchies that have supposed biological roots,

[@renhagel]

Patterns, patterns everywhere...

[@ٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴٴۥ]

atoms, atoms everywhere

[@h34lth01]

extactly

[@marcodanziger9113]

I’m sorry but you sound slightly naive and to some level influenced by the woke ideology here. Jung has understood the collective unconcious and archetypes also through his observations in Africa exactly because of their more “primitive” minds, meaning they were somewhat closer to the collective unconscious than the western mind. Just Google “african tribe” and Watch the images, it’s pretty obvious what Jung was talking about. Nowhere does Jung state that a race is inherently superior to another. When Jung uses “inferior” as a word he is defining something closer to the unconscious thus below the ego. World is beautiful because of our differences. It is not racist to recognize these differences

[@roberth2627]

Explain WOKE....

[@marcomongke3116]

Simply post modernist crap that involves lots of hypocritical and corporate fake virtue signalling. Wokeness will exist as long as some radicals can't explain what women are. Without such revisionist ideas wokeness cant exist. ​@roberth2627

[@salman6254]

@ Getting mad when differences are acknowledged. Of course, the underlying unity is the same in all people, there are no differences between people in reality, but people who get mad when someone acknowledges a difference because they see negative discrimination in that acknowledgment, and you see that in all acknowledgment of difference from the totality. But the totality observing its different parts does not mean any parts are inferior or superior, we can acknowledge difference without separation, have directed thinking along with unconscious thinking. There's no reason to get mad when someone acknowledges a difference in the totality, differentiation is what our conscious perceptions of reality are based on. But the unconscious still plays a crucial part. Woke is getting unreasonably mad when differentiation is acknowledged.

[@Canned.bread.25]

The problem with this though, as mentioned in the video, is that he isn’t just talking about people native to the African continent, but people of more proximal African descent (e.g. black Americans) categorically. This comes with the implication that said people are thus inherently inferior, as geography or culture are not the determining factors. On the contrary, as described in the video, the very presence of black people in America as seen as a detriment, a poison in the well that was only nonlethal because of the poison’s dilution (e.g. the population difference.)

[@salman6254]

@@Canned.bread.25 I don't know if Jung's quotes here represent his most mature thoughts. But it is important to understand that he sees all of humanity as sharing the same collective unconscious and that is really the only thing tied strictly to biology. The "detriment" part only comes in because the consciousness of modern man is very fickle and a product of entrainment by language and culture and there is danger in it being overcome by the unconscious without them being aware. Being Child-like is going back to a more primitive mode of thinking, and Jung says that this type of thinking that is still very apparent in modern man, it is only categorized as "inferior" because it is less adapted to "reality" unlike directed thinking. Jung criticizes the primacy put on directed ego-consciousness and the forgetting of the more primitive aspects of the mind in modern man quite often.

[@h.m.7218]

Everybody is racist of course, but especially those who say they are not. Those who say they are not are obviously the most racist of all.

[@Ariverfish]

Jung being based as always.

[@aminyt8742]

Based

[@OFFTOPdaP]

Racism is based ?

[@nikos9804]

​@@OFFTOPdaPYes, didn't you know?

[@Amaleksspin]

Yes

[@Mercurial-flip-flop]

I don't think you know what racism is mate. He wasn't being racist at all in any of what you mentioned.

[@villevanttinen908]

Race = competition.

[@DavidTitus_]

Race = nature

[@comelfon]

​@@DavidTitus_ and competition is natural

[@DrEcKiGeRDaN88]

​@@comelfon Its not. Competition is a product of civilization. While Civilization is the Antithesis to Nature. If it would be natural, we wouldnt had survived all these thousands of years.

[@comelfon]

@@DrEcKiGeRDaN88 nonsense

[@comelfon]

@@DrEcKiGeRDaN88 nonsense

[@notdeate5721]

I believe that your misunderstanding probably comes from the meaning of the word "primitive," which was used by some anthropologists at the time, and also by Jung. It is not related to "inferior races," as you intended to suggest in this video, but rather refers to a more "original" state of the human mind, not yet influenced by the complex processes of civilization that often involve the repression of basic instincts. This also doesn't mean that modern societies are necessarily superior. Jung describes certain modern contexts as a "barbarian unilaterality" of certain psychic functions, and he also argues that a culture which fails to satisfy the complexity of human nature should not be called a culture, but a collective disturbance. Human beings will never be able to completely leave the primitive state, and it is highly questionable whether this would even be desirable. If you had read, for instance, the full biography written by Aniela Jaffé, you would see the great admiration for Native American culture, presented in a dialogue with a religious leader who criticizes the European way of thinking. It seems that the text fragments you selected were taken from a source aimed at discrediting a historical figure who has already been subject to a great deal of misinformation spread by certain intellectuals and interested opposers, especially Ernest Jones. I would truly recommend that you be more careful with this kind of accusations, even regarding the title of the video, and actually read the whole texts you are using.

[@KNGDDDE]

Which part of raiding someone else's home, killing men and raping women and children, stealing the goods, erasing history and culture... Is advanced? Why is it that none of these great scholars, researchers, etc never have any commentary for how primitive in world view they're glorious fellow wyatt ppl cannot escape from? For far too long we've watched you ppl hang to the flimsiest of evidence regarding the racial composure of ppl long past. If being primitive isn't an insult to a person's intelligence and natural composition then why aren't there ever any primitive wystt ppl found or analyzed? Please stop acting like we're stoopid.

[@spfbaits]

Everyday my love for Jung grows.

[@Amaleksspin]

Yep. Doesn't run away from hard truths and confronts all darkness

[@kaleb51]

#1 Jung meat rider

[@kaleb51]

@@Amaleksspin #2 Jung meat rider

[@victorhugorodriguez773]

why people are so afraid to be in the "right" side? you could have your own believes and have all the world against you, and that its ok is your right, you have to follow certain paths to get somewhere.

[@nicholasmitchell8749]

Jung is referring to magical thinking as a lower level of consciousness. One is therefore loyal to a myth, and does not consider how true it is. Its simply true.

[@2ndavenuesw481]

I never saw a black man close up until I was 5 years old, and it was spooky. How could anyone imagine it wouldn't be? If you get your hair cut, for example, and a very small child isn't expecting it, they'll wonder what happened to you.

[@YourAverageYoutubeCommentor]

its like those videos where the dad shaves his beard for this first time

[@OFFTOPdaP]

Lmao wtf

[@recklessnotion1899]

The country (assuming you're from the US) is majority of Caucasian and African Americans are the minority as in were out numbered technically speaking. And if you observe history such as slavery, segregation, Jim crow era, destruction of black wall street, ect you'd think that it makes more sense for blacks to see white people as "spooky"

[@cherylewers6322]

Two Jung-oriented books I've read recently, which I really hope you do too: 1) Jungian Reflections on Systemic Racism, by Christopher Carter, and 2) Jung and the Making of Modern Psychology: The Dream of a Science, by Sonu Shamdasani. Whatever you do, please don't discourage anyone from reading the actual source material, with nervous-sounding headlines. These thoughts have all been thunk before.

[@Jay-kk3dv]

Einstein was also racist against Asians and did not like Zionists. I think people are realizing that calling someone racist is just a polemic

[@bundsjr3216]

At this time the was not much evidence against him compared to the evidence that proves his point.

[@emanuelephrem4307]

After this video, am not reconsidering Jung am reconsidering racism

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

Me too. And the pple who cry racism at every corner. Jung is one of the greatest minds in psychology and philosophy.

[@clavicleofcernunnos]

​@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 It's pseudoscientific mysticism with no empirical backing.

[@emmaarmo379]

@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 He was racist. He was also quite brilliant. It's annoying how many people are upset in this comment section over the fact he was both. No one is perfect.

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

You can be both smart and racist. History generally works that way. I know it may hurt, but thinking can do you some good!!!

[@Ariverfish]

This video gave me a +2 stat boost to my racism.

[@arberibert5756]

Hunter gather culture means literally that, there are groups of people that for 100.000+ years haven’t made any significant advancements.

[@NanakiRowan]

Are you sure? I don't see how people who choose to continue to live in the tradition of their ancestors, such as the Inuits of North America, or the Tsaatan people of Mongolia, or the Bushmen of South Africa, means that they have somehow failed to make any "significant advancements". People choose to practice ancient traditions.

[@arberibert5756]

@ Well failed is not the word I would use. But they also lack any kind of higher cultural achievements not because of their inability to indutrialize.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@arberibert5756 What do you mean by "cultural achievements"? Their cultures are quite complex, which is why anthropologists have always been fascinated by them.

[@arberibert5756]

@@NanakiRowan I mean writing, philosophy, complex musical instruments, theoretical mathematics.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@arberibert5756 Ah so selective cultural achievements that are only important within certain cultures. I get it.

[@vxyz5219]

What's up with this vile comment section?

[@hyperspacejester7377]

Too many philosophers 😆

[@timy9197]

Trump voters

[@tohellwithyourcrap8045]

They're so vile it's honestly comical, they're over the top try hard vile and racist. Ironic to see severe mental illness on display in the comment section of a Jung video 😂

[@KilMichael]

Logical analysis, dna defects and ad mixture ( Neanderthal genes absent in sub Saharan)- Europe looks like Europe for a reason and The Congo the Congo - The rest is just weak minded low resonance “equality” nonsense- Hierarchy exists in everything and one group has ALWAYS excelled- FACTS don’t care for feelings

[@sense_maker1816]

Weak people sometimes turn to philosophy in order to raise themselves up. Because they’re weak, they’re scornful and don’t like black people probably because they’re jealous and got picked on in school.

[@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753]

What it the definitiknof a racist? It used to be that you decline certain opportunity to certain people nowadays what is it? In my opinion it is a very inflationary used word with no meaning at all.

[@therealzeb2942]

I just can't believe how racist this comment section is. I'm a fan of jung and still am, but we should be able to acknowledge his flaws without disregarding his genius. Being knowledgeable on a subject doesn't make him impervious to criticism. Please learn about black history and do your best to educate yourself.

[@comelfon]

Flaws?

[@SolarManReborn]

Well, is it not to be expected, if you try to teach an entire generarion of White men that they are evil? We are evil now. From the childhood I hear I am racist, I exploit, I am racist because born White. So here you go, boom! You made it, I am, congrats

[@kaleb51]

yeah wtf happened to the comment section.

[@comelfon]

@@kaleb51 cry about it

[@aminyt8742]

I don't care about black history. Imagine telling a black man to educate himself on white history. Adolf level shit.

[@davidbates9358]

To be fair Jung, like all of us, was 'subject' to the the zeitgeist spirit of his age, and one could argue we are the subjects of subconsciously 'rationalized' spirits within the metabolic processes that energize our conscious attention + awareness experience of being alive? And he did say: "I'm just an older African who finds his God in dreams." Perhaps you might contemplate the metabolic nature of your own attention + awareness process mind & consider the idea of spirituality before any religious (binding) ideas gave rise to the politics of experience the first 'nation' building exercises of our more reality-wise ancestors? Consider: "The story of the Destruction of Mankind tells of Ra, the Father of the Neteru, ordering the destruction of mankind because of their blasphemies and disrespect of him. Remember, All is a transformation and expression of Ra, therefore All must be respected and viewed with reverence for the Neter within. Also, the Hieroglyph for Ra is the Mouth, in which the Word or Sound emits from. It represents the sounds, words, by which all things function. If one chooses not to function or vibrate on the proper frequency, then it causes deviation and perversion, which in and of itself, is a blasphemy and abuse of Ra." Meri, Ra (2020-08-22T22:58:59.000). Book of African Spirituality . Published by Ra Meri Trust. Kindle Edition. Do you ever observe the primordial optical illusion of the Sun appearing to rise above a horizontal looking horizon at the birth of each and every new day? Or consider the possibility of being a semi-conscious meme-word propagator? Or the truly 'woke' purpose of a truly universalizing story? What about the vertical & horizontal transmission of meme-words from parents to offspring and form one semi-conscious adult to another? How about the 'preexistent' cross or logos that exists within the synchronous reality of our solar-system & the experience of 'syncing' our nervous-system with this reality of being-in-time, gifted to history in the story of Jesus, the Christ? And of course Brain Cox's valiant efforts to awaken people to the reality of our solar system, may yet prove to vital, as our species faces the reality of climate change. See: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqKZand-jdl7lZo

[@DrEcKiGeRDaN88]

Climate change? The lie which is used by the Beast, the UN, to fullfill its agenda till the Antichrist comes and rides on it? You are far off my friend.

[@evanathome]

It feels like your doing what I used to do and tear down things that bring you joy. Perhaps Jung had racial biases, but his brilliance and his insights are what matter. Calling him a racist is a painful branding that ends up burning your flesh. Life is good, you are loved, and Jung had some biases like we all do. But the branding of him with such a title feels very, self-harmey.

[@PhoxKiD]

He is both. If you gloss over his racism, then you are affirming racism.

[@LifeBurnout]

@@PhoxKiDAbsolutely correct. Philosophy is a dialogue and if you don’t address and challenge beliefs they will become accepted.

[@emmaarmo379]

The video starts with the statement that they're not trying to cancel Jung. You can recognize his racism and still appreciate his work, we all have our flaws - but you only have to look at the comments under this video to see why this topic is important.

[@OFFTOPdaP]

You sound very ignorant.

[@evanathome]

@@PhoxKiD I wasn’t glossing over his racism. I was saying one can acknowledge he had beliefs that were bad without branding the whole man by a few bad beliefs. Be very precise in your speech because the label “racist” is different than having a few bad beliefs. 1000 Years from now you and I will both be shown to have bad beliefs, we simply cannot see them in this current context. But that does not make you or I bigoted or bad.

[@vinzentwallbach4251]

Ok cool and all but where was he wrong exactly ?

[@eliaslyman9256]

This is a pretty uninformed and clickbaity title.

[@chicocaeiro]

guy needs views

[@leskarner7004]

Guy needs to virtue signal and has been brainwashed.

[@makadoz]

He has like 15 sources in the description, he is much more informed than you on this.

[@Art.Therapy93]

​@@makadozHe's really not. He's a fool full of nothing but air. He literally just warps small exscipts of Jung's writings, into his own narrative...and that narrative is "Carl Jung is a racist".... Nothing Jung said was wrong, this man is just a nobody who wants views by sowing the latest buzz words, and sounding like a massive d o n g while doing so. Jung was a legand. This guys a nobody.

[@Art.Therapy93]

​@@makadozHe's really not. He's a fool full of nothing but air. He literally just warps small exscipts of Jung's writings, into his own narrative...and that narrative is "Carl Jung is a racist".... Nothing Jung said was wrong, this man is just a nobody who wants views by sowing the latest buzz words, and sounding like a massive D while doing so. Jung was a legand. This guys a nobody.

[@dir1475]

The mood of the intro is like a surrogate apology video, eesh.

[@GordonGarvey]

I think people nowadays are too afraid of being racist to think clearly about the topic of race. Obviously no race should rule over another, but the main races have been separated from each other in different environments for plenty of time for evolution to take place and if you agree that we all evolved from less intelligent animals then it's only logical that some races could be further into whatever evolutionary step we took becoming self aware, curious and capable of language. If not further, then just a different type. There's no doubt we've all reached that step, evolution doesn't just stop at a set point of 'human' for our convenience of not making anyone feel bad. It's not about being better or worse, it's simply about us all still being animals and being evolved for our respective environments, and there's no reason for anyone to think that evolution only happened to protect us from getting enough vitamin D and not getting skin cancer other than if they're refusing to think logically for the sake of not hurting feelings and not feeling judged by society.

[@ricchambers6990]

I was once at a meeting of The Atanta Jungian Society and we had to introduce ourselves and I began with Thank goodness I am Ric Chambers and not a Jungian, and I think Jung would be proud. This was a rift off of Jung's statement you used to end this video. We might also use, "I come to bury Ceaser not to praise him;" or "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." Having read Jung's collective works though the 1980s and knowing the current times I knew this video had to be made. I have not just followed your channel for over a year; I have subscribed and I am attempting to watch every video. I treat your channel like a curriculum and would really like to integrate your channel; among others, as curriculum for people on an individual journey toward health, happiness, and harmony. As usual you not only hits the right emotional tone; there is a sense of grief and disappointment and loss not unlike what is happening in most families as the younger generation sees the unconscious bias, systematic racism and sexism, etc. in their parents and battles whether to cancel or go no contact on the one hand but at the same time realizes the love and benefits and sacrifice of the parents. Several times you said the point is not to cancel Jung and it was implied but not stated that neither is the point to defend him. For me; you are opening a door that leads to a wonderland of thought and growth (which is why I love your channel). You and I are current pioneers; the pioneering of mental terrain is ongoing. You are pioneering the narrow road, the eye of the needle, between the opportunities for one side of the fence to realize how they are racists even if they consciously detest racism and for the other side to find the way between canceling and defending.

[@alexhindes3861]

I feel like this is a worthy discussion for people that a spent time throughly understanding Jung’s life’s work - for those that have read his works like The Archetypes and The Collective Unconscious, Aion, Psychology and Religion/ Alchemy. I find this content rather careless (especially with the title chosen) to the possibility that many people will turn away from discovering his work because of this video - especially when the world we live in is so divided/dis-integrated, when we are in desperate need of a better understanding of our own psyche.

[@MutenRoscher]

you dont have to convince me, i already liked jung.

[@bramdoe3303]

Knowing the outgroup will not return your overtures and acting accordingly is not a character flaw

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Do not say "racist", just use "pattern recognition" instead.

[@ericthomas6726]

I won't say you're a "moron," but that's certainly a pattern that's been recognized amongst racists.

[@bramdoe3303]

@@ericthomas6726 We did it reddit!

[@bannedmann4469]

The problem with you clowns that say this; is that you ignore patterns from your own groups. Very inconvenient ones.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

@@bannedmann4469 Tell me why crime rates in London equals to Detroit right after blck population is the same in both cities? Now tell me about those patterns I do not see,

[@bramdoe3303]

@@bannedmann4469 This is a non-sequitur. Criticism of other groups does not entail a belief of internal “perfection”

[@arashkh3188]

My girlfriend thinks that he was just the child of his century.

[@bowieupland6112]

An emotional "child" calling a genius a child. Interesting.

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

Oh how cute, Jung the racist child, like a gollywog racist not kerb stomping racist, lovely.

[@thenew4559]

Certainly there are some products of his time in his thoughts, no one is immune to this, but he was undoubtedly a pioneer, far ahead of most others of his time.

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

@thenew4559 everything Jung said already existed in older cultures, not a pioneer, a plagerist that didn't think the world would ever record the history of the so called savages.

[@bowieupland6112]

@the_famous_reply_guy "Yo! Wee wuz da originals n' shhhhiiiiieeet"

[@Nutzername007]

Seems nothing wrong to me…

[@John.3]

Which way, western man?

[@vlachlemnmichail]

Look how much they're trying to erase us. Not only IRL, even in this comment section 🤣 They try and try, but you can't stop the wind from changing direction

[@waltershumer4211]

Is racism a political word for pattern recognition?

[@quasimandias]

Human being are racist. If you study psychology you are forced to confront this. We innately prefer those who look like we do. How you act may be different.

[@B-I-G-N-A-S-T-Y]

We also act differently because we are genetically different .

[@WILFRED69X]

Are you different because of your race or because of your environment ?

[@B-I-G-N-A-S-T-Y]

@@WILFRED69X genetics ,your environment has an effect on which genes are expressed, but the presence of those genes is not environmental. Certain groups of people are less prone to PTSD than others . For example the warrior gene found in a overrepresented prison population is usually expressed in early adulthood resulting from early trauma . This gene is strongly linked to low impulse control ,type one bipolar and schizophrenia. If you do not carry this gene you may fully recover from trauma, my great grandfather didn't feel any remorse or suffer PTSD from WW2.

[@n.m4497]

Can Jung be anymore based? Yes he can

[@Fettkotlet]

300IQ Jung: Yeah those brown people are kinda off Übersoy: NO NOT LIKE THAT! THAT'S CRINGE!

[@eeeddeeed4783]

But what does it change about his Best Works, dont get the point and I read alot of C.G.Jung in his/my Native Tongue

[@spiritnone2818]

Who cares! Grow up.

[@hyperspacejester7377]

Brilliant rebuttal. Totally destroyed his argument. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😆

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

You cared enough to comment buf

[@Alien_From_Another_Universe]

🗿

[@z_is_for_zombie7423]

Well said.

[@TheLegend-mu6zg]

Great video. I read MDR recently and raised an eyebrow many times throughout it when getting to the parts you discussed in this video but usually gave one of the charitable explanations you talk about. Jung's been a huge influence on my life recently, so much so that it has been a bit stifling because I see him as so smart and insightful that I think of his viewpoints as almost infallible. So in a way it is freeing to see that he is subject to problems like every other person.

[@rwkp_opus]

"it's not about 21st moral values - it's about truth" -- do you fail to see your own ignorance? The truth you talk of is a "value-judgment" (after all that is the conclusion you are justifying in this video), and to claim a value-judgment is without any underlying morals is ignorance (to say the least). The sensationalist title of the video aside, what you are essentially doing is taking Jung's empirical analysis of the primitive psyche in contrast with modern individuals and adding your layer of value-judgement and presenting it as "the truth" (as your opening line suggests). What has been done in this video, essentially, is taking comparative words such as "primitive" "lower" "below" -- all of which Jung talks about extensively within a specific context of an individual's ability to be conscious or unconscious. Nowhere has Jung blatantly made a statement that a wholly unconscious archaic tribe, is psychologically, inferior -- this is a value judgement which Jung precisely avoids. In fact, he goes as far as to say that because the primitive psyche lives unconsciously (without too much psychological rationalisation of its own psyche, which is what he means by "unreflective") -- they are more "whole". Jung in Civilisation in Transition, talks of the black race, as well as the Indian psyche -- contrasting them to the European psyche, and comments, empirically, in relation to the degree of dissociation and split that mires individuals of the modern age. As someone from a third-world country, where the primary cognitive framework of the majority of the population derives from a religious framework and is archaic (as formulated by Mircea Eliade in Myth of Eternal Return) -- being called "unreflective" and "primitive" is not a pejorative. Why does it have to be a pejorative? It is a mode of psychological attitude. I am glad you acknowledge that but then you proceed to dismiss it is a grave mistake. The story of a bushman, for example -- I fail to see what is wrong with any of it (call me racist using your value-judgement), but it does not deter from the fact that it was a psychological statement based on the observed turn of events (and if a tribe is unconscious of their projections, as the bushman is - why is this offensive to point this fact out? Is it also true that there has been no cases of murder where "projections" of behalf of the murderer has not played a part? or is that offensive to point out too?). And yes, this is not a compliment (as you say), but also, it is not Jung's position to complement a tribe as an empiricist. Jung has a corpus of criticism against the excessive rationalist and neurotic psyches of the West; he has gone as far as criticising the Christian notion of Christ and the consequences of Enlightenment, which underpins the modern-day Western nations (see Aion and Civilisation in Transition). It is how it is and it needs to be said in the simplest of terms, which he does -- as an empiricist. If it is the framing of words and the use of words itself that you find problematic, then my friend, you are essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I am glad Jung was able to write as he did, in his time, bypassing these superficial criticisms without worrying about the semantic interpretation of his words. Empiricism is offensive, and that is why empirical psychology as a field suffers. Good luck building an epistemology of comparative analysis of "group-psyche" while "complimenting" each category (and staying true to the scruples of "empiricism"). Also glad to see the word "racist" losing its cultural value, and no wonder why....

[@yyyzzzyyy-vt5oz]

slam dunk, uploader prob drank the koolaid

[@thenew4559]

You hit the nail on the head. His characterization of Jung as racist is based on Jung’s very literal (and non-politically correct) phraseology, interpreting value-judgments where none are.

[@club213542]

can't argue the facts when the facts are the real issue eh...

[@propagandatwo]

I like him better now.

[@dondotta365]

get a job

[@bramdoe3303]

@@dondotta365 Ok I’ll wade thru all the H1B and DEI to secure a job that pays half what it should and that will surely cure my “mean” observation of reality

[@dondotta365]

@@bramdoe3303 dude you’re pathetic lmao i miss when conservatives would unironically say pick yourself up by your bootstraps you’re not oppressed blaming anyone but yourself or your employer is being a clown

[@vlachlemnmichail]

@@dondotta365 get a life jew

[@kaleb51]

@@bramdoe3303 are you mad indians are doing a better job than you?

[@tarikrobot8568]

7:25 Britain had the world's largest empire in history.

[@nephastgweiz1022]

So Jung was based ?

[@christaries576]

Thanks for this Information. My respect for Jung just increased tremendously. Since you seem to have a negative attitude towards your recent discovery, I will, of course, downthumb your video anyway.

[@SolarManReborn]

Jung was a great thinker and a great man

[@elizabethmansfield3609]

17:54 there are all kinds of people who come home angry or just get angry and bash their children in a rage. I myself would like to know why, and clearly, it has nothing to do with race or culture because the statistics make that clear. I agree, this quote of Jung’s is awful. Elsewhere he writes that men can feel justified in beating women and he is talking there about men in his own race and culture as he is talking there about himself (it’s in the early pages of Aion). I have had friends warn me not to throw out the baby with the bath water when it comes to such statements, but they do have a discrediting effect because they show a lack of insight into himself and other humans.

[@B-I-G-N-A-S-T-Y]

You serious? Statistics would make the opposite true . Impulsivity is genetic, you'd have to be very religious to believe 15k years of separation didn't lead to differences.

[@hablabamosa]

Unresolved childhood trauma. See Dr. Gabor Mate's or Dr. Bessel van der Kolk's work for reference.

[@Fokas-n8t]

Impulsivity is indeed genetic. And while you get both impulsive and non-impulsive people across all races, there are statistical differences among the % of impulsiveness across different tribes, ethnic groups and races. You can do such statistics among just any human group, no need to refer to ethnicities and races, you can e.g. compare the impulsivity % of doctors and plumbers in one culture. What Jung referred there was not that African people could not evolve, he just said that they didn't. The Arabs he mentioned had actually regressed. And he openly spoke about the possibility of European regressing and first of all the Germanic nations who were more recently developed. Does that sound to you like racism, in the real sense of the word?

[@salman6254]

It has nothing to do with race but everything with culture since culture and language is the basis of our consciousness, of how we think. Jung wouldn't disagree that such behavior can also be seen in modern man, as you yourself mentioned, but he would define it as a neuroses, a case of a man being overcome by an unconscious impulse. I think the disconnect here and what people fail to realize, is that his observation of african tribes directly informs his understanding of the subconscious in us. He considered the directed-conscious thinking of modern man a very small and relatively new aspect of human psychology, one with some very serious downsides as well. He didn't consider them very different at all, and it's ironically our own misunderstanding of our minds that makes us think he was making a huge distinction between modern and primitive.

[@permanentlybotulated]

@@salman6254 "It has nothing to do with race but everything with culture" ok, "salman", thanks for your input

[@tgoods5049]

These “XYZ is racist” videos are so 2020! Dude, the joke is on you. We project our shadows onto others. Jung just pawned you from his grave. Of all his deep and insightful topics that take years to unpack, THIS is what you focus on?

[@goblin-trollhybrid]

Just say you want racism to go unmentioned dawg, talk about shadows!!!

[@Shad0wack]

@@goblin-trollhybrid Its all anyone talks about these days, you're indoctrinated.

[@rashomonsan]

@@goblin-trollhybrid It's normal and often helpful and justified.

[@SolarManReborn]

What he says is more like - "stop virtue signalling you clickbakr opportunist"

[@g1lbert68]

Baka

[@emanuelpetre5491]

Based.

[@ill_at_ease]

Truly based

[@MissyTea]

It does not run into the heart of his theory. Just stop it. 🥴

[@stingweeber6394]

Damn, and I didn't think he could possibly get any cooler

[@jaxonk]

i watched the whole video. Thought about your analysis and i just had to unsubscribe. You are very biased and see his work with woke-lenses.

[@bowieupland6112]

Another good title, could have been: "Carl Jung has excellent pattern-recognition abilities".

[@noxplay4906]

My title would be "Jung realizes that not all groups of people can coexist peacefully within the same society." I mean I thought with all the stuff happening recently with the bombings and terrorist attacks we would already realize that but I guess modern people wanna keep learning the hard way?

[@NanakiRowan]

How could have demonstrated pattern recognition when he didn't spend time amongst the groups he purported to observe patterns in?

[@bowieupland6112]

@@NanakiRowan Make sense.

[@NanakiRowan]

@ I'm sorry that you are unable to answer my question, but Jung's opinions definitely were not based on pattern recognition.

[@bowieupland6112]

@@NanakiRowan I'm still waiting for you on Gab. @Proxin1

[@michaelabraham2740]

The consciousness is emerging. Go on you Higher Men!

[@harrywall8182]

Ok but, was he wrong

[@NanakiRowan]

According to genetics and evolutionary biology, yes.

[@harrywall8182]

@NanakiRowan based on what? Would anyone from history agree with you or are you under the impression that everyone has been a racist except the enlightened version of YOU

[@NanakiRowan]

@@harrywall8182 Based on genetics and evolutionary biology, just as I said.

[@kaleb51]

The fragility is showing in this comment section. There are people who didn't even watch the video who are commenting. Y'all are so funny.

[@lebenmachtkunstlifepowersa9813]

The black man in German is Not about black Skin but rather a Mystic Figur like the Golem

[@santosd6065]

I was expecting a woke denunciation of Jung, anachronistically holding him up to post 2016 identity politics standards... but this actually turned out to be pretty good. Still, I see a lot of value in Jung's observations, even the racist ones, once we purge them of the racist content, the way we'd toss aside Isaac Newton's alchemy and superstitions from the rest of his work

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

You do know Newton vast majority of work was burned and it was on Alchemy not maths he plagerised Robert Hooke and removed all traces of him when he became president of the Royal Society, in his spare time Newton enjoyed torturing by disembowel counterfeiters and bribing criminals for information so he could hang them. Newton is no genius, he lost all his money in the southsea bubble. Jung has a much lower fall from grace by comparison wouldn't you agree.

[@bowieupland6112]

@@the_famous_reply_guy No body cares, sand=flea.

[@tonyreimer6804]

Looks like this video brought out the racists

[@jamaltimmerman9298]

Yep

[@traybae2_]

A man of his times? Ironically, Black people ALWAYS knew you weren’t superior to us. Even during Jung’s time

[@michaelccrosby]

you kept alluding to how “he wasn’t just mentioning hunter gatherers as more primitive, he was claiming North Africans were more primitive and less self-reflective.” How would it be any less racist to call hunter-gatherers more primitive?

[@Squashmalio]

hunter gatherers were primitive by definition, they existed thousands of years ago. Primitive literally means living/being similar to ancient humans, hunter gatherers ARE ancient humans, calling them primitive is just a statement of fact

[@OneLine122]

Because you can't say it's culture. When he starts dividing people in the same culture based on "race", then it's clearly racist in the strong sense of the term.

[@bowieupland6112]

@@OneLine122 Who says that one "cant say it's culture"..... You?

[@communications23]

@@bowieupland6112 Me when I can't tell a difference between a normative and descriptive statement:

[@bowieupland6112]

@@communications23 It's culture and genetics. I you couldn't stop me.

[@Gen_Alek]

a child having a tantrum in the supermarket could be RIGHT btw

[@thedudefromrobloxx]

Of course he's conflating industrialized nations with white people, europe was the only industrialized continent with maybe america that consisted of europeans. INDUSTRIAL DOESN'T MEAN INDUSTRIOUS. My man have you read a single book

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

Europe isn't a continent 😂

[@thedudefromrobloxx]

@the_famous_reply_guy child

[@ribeirojorge5064]

The Universe is Not a Hierarchical Pyramid of Mathematic Quantities !!! The Universe is a Wholarchical Sphere of Multiples Spheres of Consciousness Qualities !!! The Beauty of Timeless and Formless Consciousness Shines in the Form in Time ❤️ 💚 💜

[@awesomepumashoes]

…and?

[@ErnestSamuels-u4q]

Eh, about as racist as anyone else back then. 🙄

[@KilMichael]

Or he was on point - racial science is true and visible throughout history and clear as day via culture or success of cultures - look outside your window- RACIST means a logical analysis of reality and history and dna without soft modern “equality” feelings - Hierarchy exists IN EVERYTHING most definitely in culture - suppose we belive in the Piltdown man also

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

You head would be on the chopping block in the system you advocate for, because you aren't at the top of the white class hierarchy. That day may come sooner than you think, remember you voted for Christmas turkey.

[@Zarrov]

didnt watch, dont care, but if he indeed was racist...the more reasons to read him! is there a limit to how mach a singular man can be based?! I guess not... so if I read him and it turns out he was not racist as title says, I would be very dissapoint. In fact, my day would be ruined.