Watch Part 1 of the Summer House Season 8 Episode 15 After Show: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGfHmqVqq96mY7c
@nicholebent26614 ай бұрын
Lindsay wanted the VPR Arianna effect aka major opportunities for her fake blindsided crap 🤣 girl bye 👋🏼
@chanellbotshekan4 ай бұрын
Lindsay was mourning the loss of a wedding and a baby and the white picket fence before 36, she wasn’t mourning the relationship with Carl…
@KayVaughn-x8p4 ай бұрын
Spot on!!
@AnaCorreia-r9y4 ай бұрын
100 percent
@cali-tm1ec4 ай бұрын
Lindsay's grief over the breakup seems very rehearsed and where are the tears, since she loved him for 8 years. she never loved him she just wanted to get married. she not a good actress😅
@ginadepompei73244 ай бұрын
Excellent summary!
@SB-hj9ue4 ай бұрын
@@cali-tm1ecthe stiffest acting
@maloriepierce53774 ай бұрын
Amanda saying how Lindsay believes her own versions of the truth was spot on! I know people like this and it’s so true! Lindsay took the truth and twisted it so she was a blindsided victim and not a major issue in the fallout of their relationship
@robbainbridge12974 ай бұрын
West is so young. He’s 28 and acts like a teenager. Glad Ciara didn’t invest too much of herself.
@fartdukenukem58444 ай бұрын
They’re in a relationship now & boning
@thatonemack4 ай бұрын
Pretty sure he was 28 when filming, is 29 currently and will be 30 at the end of this year… which makes it worse
@lipkin1084 ай бұрын
@@fartdukenukem5844 they are? From the trailer of the reunion it doesn’t look like it? Where did u read they are dating
@fartdukenukem58444 ай бұрын
@lipkin108 Ciara gave it away in an interview she did with idk the woman’s name but she said in an interview about 2 or 3 weeks ago
@JMicheleS334 ай бұрын
@@fartdukenukem5844last fall, as soon as the cameras stopped rolling and girls started sliding into his dms is when it ended, West started sleeping with others and dumped Ciara.
@lynnetracey88284 ай бұрын
Paige 100% sees Lindsey for who she really is. The tears aren’t for losing Carl. They’re for losing the future baby & stay-at-home mom life she wanted.
@JuliaB19554 ай бұрын
Amanda actually gave good advice to Kyle regarding Carl. No direction, just listen. Atta girl, Amanda!
@sogiki4 ай бұрын
West needs a major reality check. Don’t say I love you and call a woman baby if you don’t want to send mixed messages. You’re an adult. You know better than that. Don’t play dumb to avoid being called a louse.
@123paramorefan4 ай бұрын
I’m so irritated by him and he’s being so rude in this
@dolphinsky244 ай бұрын
No wonder West hasn’t had a relationship since he was a teen. It’s not about him calling everyone “baby,” it’s about him treating Ciara like everyone else. When you like someone, you should treat them differently than you do others. It just shows he didn’t take her seriously romantically which means she was right to not sleep with him.
@ZEBEEtheoriginal4 ай бұрын
Bubba =/= Baby. They couldn't find one clip of this dude calling anyone "Baby".
@fartdukenukem58444 ай бұрын
They together now & sleeping together
@kayla70264 ай бұрын
@@fartdukenukem5844no they’re not
@elizabethcaruso14614 ай бұрын
Agree. Hate to say it but West is a hot mess. It looks like he never showers & his clothes are always a wrinkled mess & his hair also messy.
@sorayafarah4464 ай бұрын
EXACTLY!
@riseandfall...4 ай бұрын
The edit where everyone was like “were we shocked? NO!” 😂
@krnstc4 ай бұрын
Carl is not a saint but damn he dodged a bullet
@ZEBEEtheoriginal4 ай бұрын
Yep
@lizdocabo4 ай бұрын
They both did 😮💨
@Tquin554 ай бұрын
He had the bravery to end it before the wedding. They both knew it wasn’t healthy. I would be terrified in his position.
@lastlaugherboss4 ай бұрын
Lol, I didnt see your comment till after. I feel and commented the same thing. 😅
@Jadae.annmarie4 ай бұрын
Paige ALWAYS calls a spade a spade and I truly love that about her! Gabby has to stop drinking the juice and riding so hard for Lindsey. I get it that's your friend but she was not perfect in the relationship so let her vent but don't bash anyone, we all saw they shouldn't get married.
@barberiabrown88484 ай бұрын
Gabby won't be satisfied until Lindsay treat her like she Danielle. And now that Danielle is back with her, it might be sooner than later.
@Jadae.annmarie4 ай бұрын
@@barberiabrown8848 Exactly!
@cvp20004 ай бұрын
Carl needed those cameras as a witness to the conversation so it couldn't get twisted. Yet, Lindsay still did 😂
@skentel4 ай бұрын
THIS
@maryjacobsen65394 ай бұрын
Absolutely! He knew Lindsay would tell a different story than what actually happened.
@AquaGirl9534 ай бұрын
Paige and Ciara were spot on about the tears and lack of any personal accountability.🎯 Gabby’s facial expressions at times also lead me to believe she knows Lindsay is full of it.
@travelbug45364 ай бұрын
Maybe she has NPD too.
@emilyndu3384 ай бұрын
O Gabby😢 She should go to therapy with Linsdey
@birdi3beez4 ай бұрын
Gabby knows and I feel bad for her. She’s taken Danielle’s place as Lindsay’s yes woman. She isn’t allowed to have any honest thoughts or else Lindsay will drop her. I couldn’t have a relationship with someone where I can’t be honest with them.
@ZEBEEtheoriginal4 ай бұрын
Paige was wrong about the tears tho.
@daniellachampoux4 ай бұрын
@@travelbug4536 Not maybe! Pure representation
@SG-bh2ij4 ай бұрын
Gabby is coming off as a puppet. The whole time you could see that the personalities were so different. Carl and Lindsay weren’t compatible. Life would have been hell if they went through with it. Personality wise they couldn’t give what each other needed.
@annbressie86154 ай бұрын
Gabby might be the Scheanna of Summer House - no spine, worried about who to align with to stay on the show for the paycheck.
@Tquin554 ай бұрын
Gabby has made herself completely expendable on this cast. She is begging for acceptance from Lindsey and will say/do anything. It’s sad. My guess is there’s more to her but we never saw it.
@tek9004 ай бұрын
West initially came across well but seeing the way he speaks on the After Show and in his confessionals has shown him in a different light. He's been a good addition to the show, but I really do dislike the way he's so dismissive of Ciara's feelings and concerns in these interviews (and how he didn't have the guts to be totally upfront to her face and instead left a lot of things to just confessionals and the After Show). In contrast Ciara was always upfront with him from the very start, something even he admits. Ciara wanting to know if West saying I love you and inviting her to meet his parents actually means something isn't some weird thought process, it's what anyone with any degree of maturity would wonder too. Ciara is being perfectly rational and it's alarming that West seems so immature about even the most straightforward things and misrepresents them. He doesn't seem to be able to handle even the slightest push back. I also don't think West was completely honest with Ciara about just how bad his commitment issues are, and from what he's said on the After Show it sounds like he doesn't ever want to have the responsibility of an actual adult relationship with anyone. During the season I really did find a lot of moments with Ciara and West cute and a slow burn is far more interesting to me because not everything needs to be rushed. It seems like Ciara and West dated for a bit after filming ended, but it looks like West's commitment issues and immaturity probably became an issue the more it progressed (especially when West has mentioned that even his parents are concerned about his ongoing fear of commitment). Ciara definitely deserves better and I wish her all the best. She first came on this show when she was 24 and I appreciate that she's someone who actually wants to learn from the past and keep growing. West has received so much excessive praise these last few months so his ego is surely going through the roof even more. He turns 30 this year and it sounds like he'll be another Bravo man trying to be Peter Pan into his 40s.
@birdi3beez4 ай бұрын
🗣️PREACH PREACHER!!! Lol. You said a word. She’s the youngest on the show, but she’s displayed so much depth and growth over the course of her time on SH. I’m glad it didn’t work out with her and West. She deserves better and she’s going to find better🙌🏽
@tazzibear864 ай бұрын
💯 agree!!!I love Ciara she didn't deserve this
@crystalobaseki4 ай бұрын
💯
@Sophia-lk3zj4 ай бұрын
How old is Ciara?
@crystalobaseki4 ай бұрын
@@Sophia-lk3zj 28
@thatscr4zy1014 ай бұрын
I feel like lindsay comes off a little false. I agree that Carl was not the partner she needed but she was not innocent in this at all. She’s really playing the victim here. 😬
@Thtdeal354 ай бұрын
Yesssss she’s a lil a narcissist judgmental and when she talks to the girls she’s spins his words 😮
@multi4any4 ай бұрын
She sees a guy, falls in love in 3mins, then belittles them, breaks up while chews the ex a new hole
@lisawilliams53534 ай бұрын
She is the victim
@Birdrobin154 ай бұрын
She chose him and accepted his proposal. Where is her accountability? It's awful what she is doing to Carl, who has experienced recent trauma with the loss of his brother.
@natalysentifconson-zj2gx4 ай бұрын
@@Thtdeal35 I agree with you! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.
@AbsolutAlim4 ай бұрын
Saying Lindsay truly believes her version of how things went on is saying she’s DELUSIONAL 😂
@aw54734 ай бұрын
No Lindsay, the first thing your dad said to you was "There's got to be more to the story." Then he probably said the other stuff.
@user-df4wr7qp2d4 ай бұрын
“this many people watch summer house” lol in that moment wes knew he wasnt committing to ciara
@ola3rd4 ай бұрын
💯
@LoLaS20114 ай бұрын
Lol facts he was like this machine is too much for me
@mariat61714 ай бұрын
Amanda and Kyle argued for years right up to their wedding day and their marriage is a wreck and both have a lot to say about Carl and Lindsay. Who would take advice from them?
@rachelfan1214 ай бұрын
They didn't fight like Carl and Lindsay did this summer
@BerryFlair4 ай бұрын
@@rachelfan121they did! It was worse. Their relationship is worse than this whole Lindsay/Carl debacle(mainly career related)
@emilyndu3384 ай бұрын
I agree but they always had ans still have moments of intimacy and love and softness, care, laughter... . Linsdey and Carl, sitting here in England I feel the tension, am on edge every time I watch them
@aal8624 ай бұрын
Ummm Amanda advised her husband not to give advice….sooo yeah. They were only not abandoning their friends.
@aal8624 ай бұрын
Lindsey is trying to get the Ariana audience support. LOL
@palavergirl74504 ай бұрын
Amanda says “ are you blindsided Or BLIND?” 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 oh she’s soo cool and funny. Thank you Amanda Batula, the reunion should end like that. 😂😂😂
@lizdocabo4 ай бұрын
😂 yeah, because Amanda is blind as well.. she is speaking from experience
@nameless.faceless.4 ай бұрын
@@lizdocabo100% love amanda but it was rich hearing her talk about how much Carl and Lindsay were fighting.. 😂 they fight every episode
@palavergirl74504 ай бұрын
@@nameless.faceless. True. But Amanda doesn't pretend she and Kyle don't. Both are very aware and problems the Carl &Lindsey train wreck is their Uh oh moment. But they're different. Amanda actually Likes Kyle and Kyle knows that's his only girl. JS
@johndoe-lm7ji4 ай бұрын
Omg Lindsay, seeing you trying to cry with no tears is so cringe.
@a.m.39214 ай бұрын
Gabby, STOOOOP. Lindsay doesn't need another enabler. Ciara and Paige are 1,000% correct in Lindsay's victim identity. She can never be wrong, and as long as this thinking persists she'll continue to be toxic in relationships.
@kaleymerritt42194 ай бұрын
This is not a betrayal, it’s a break up
@maryjacobsen65394 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@lindab4244 ай бұрын
Lindsay and her delusions. Carl tried to voice his concerns to her numerous times but she was having none of it. She is incapable of shutting up and actually hearing what is being said. She is also incapable of being able to look inward and admit her flaws. She is over reactive at the best of times but when she drinks it makes everything so much worse. She is one of these people who should not drink alcohol at all.
@natalysentifconson-zj2gx4 ай бұрын
I agree with you! Well said! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.
@jordanbarthe76684 ай бұрын
Where are the tears ? This girl is so playing the victim part, PR in full force !
@justatitle4 ай бұрын
Nope 100% in reality she wasn’t blindsided. In her perception she was, but Karl was pretty clear on many occasions about his feelings, but she wasn’t hearing it. She would not listen. I was proud of Karl for being proactive about his feelings and not letting her convince him he was wrong or unthoughtful.
@natalysentifconson-zj2gx4 ай бұрын
I agree with you! Well said! Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.
@brookebegeny274 ай бұрын
Omg she wasn’t blindsided about the breakup. She was blindsided by Carl calling the cameras in and doing it then.
@michellesmith74 ай бұрын
@@brookebegeny27Lindsay was on Nick Viall’s podcast two months post-breakup and claimed she was blindsided by the actual breakup and was given “no indication” Carl was unhappy. 🙄
@G.O.A.TGAMER1454 ай бұрын
@@brookebegeny27I think there’s more to it. He knew if he didn’t have the cameras she would spin this story out of control and burn his reputation thanks to her PR skills. I also believe she was/is abusive verbally and physically. She is calm in front of the camera. Behind closed doors I bet she’s even worse. Good job Carl🎉🎉
@lipkin1084 ай бұрын
Lindsay and gabby are two friends who tell each other exactly and continue to be delusional
@BwInNewJersey4 ай бұрын
The fake tears tells us everything.
@ZEBEEtheoriginal4 ай бұрын
She had real tears. They just weren't flowing hard.
@dzzznuts77954 ай бұрын
She had noooo tears it was very telling she wasn't blindsided she was blind her nickname could be Ray Charles 😅
@murasakinomorado72104 ай бұрын
😂🤣Leave Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder outta this!! They saw the ending a mile off!!😂🤣
@Birdrobin154 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@maryjacobsen65394 ай бұрын
I actually had a little chuckle over that one. Thanks!
@SkittleWizard134 ай бұрын
I think it's pretty disheartening how dismissive West is about almost any of Ciara's concerns or questions regarding him and their situation. From the start she was very open about her intentions and what she would expect out of it and I don't think he truly ever heard her or cared to hear her. It felt at times that he was just hoping that he could keep doing what he wanted to do and eventually she would like him so much that she would just let those things slide. No hate to West, I actually really think he is a good addition to the show BUT he does have an inability to take accountably and down plays every thing to make them not seem as important even if Ciara has clearly stated it is important to her.
@alexahelbringer48904 ай бұрын
paige and ciara were 100% spot on
@lisawilliams53534 ай бұрын
I disagree
@marlynnek64494 ай бұрын
Right? I don't know what the hell Gabby thought she was seeing
@Laneym-4 ай бұрын
No I think they are just being the mean haters they are
@ohnohedidnt44444 ай бұрын
Gabbie and Lindsey are so delusional. They had mulitple conversations about doubts this season. We all just watched and it was clear as day.
@birdi3beez4 ай бұрын
So delusional lol. If I remember correctly, earlier in the season, Gabby even made a comment about them postponing the wedding so I don’t know why she’s suddenly acting like Carl did such a terrible thing by ending/postponing it. I enjoy her but she needs to develop an identity on this show outside of being Lindsay’s sidekick.
@michellesmith74 ай бұрын
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when I read on Reddit and listen to podcasts where Lindsay is being painted as the ultimate victim 😂
@ohnohedidnt44444 ай бұрын
@@michellesmith7 crazy time to be alive. You can see something with your own eyes and they will say you didn't see that lol
@cvp20004 ай бұрын
Not Lindsay trying for D-list Ariana 😂
@Esther-320134 ай бұрын
RIGHT?!
@brittschmidt98354 ай бұрын
If this isn't the realest shit I've seen today
@emilyndu3384 ай бұрын
It comes in waves, 😂😂😂 sorry that I am laughing
@aluthraebuetse98694 ай бұрын
Lmfao D-list?? She didn’t even make it to B or C list? 😂😂😂 and it comes in waves 😂😂
@birdi3beez4 ай бұрын
6:17 Ciara is too real for this show. She’s 1000% right. I don’t trust eithers version of events but I trust Lindsay’s the least. I don’t think she intentionally tries to be dishonest but her perception of things is never totally congruent with reality. Again I don’t think she does it deliberately but that’s just what ends up happening unfortunately.
@brendamartin29524 ай бұрын
Carl is so manipulative. I trust him less.
@redchangchun14 ай бұрын
Such a talent Lindsay . Dry Crying
@Tquin554 ай бұрын
😂
@maryjacobsen65394 ай бұрын
Well at least she didn’t mess up her makeup.🤣🤣🤣
@abeisaiah4 ай бұрын
Paige and Ciara speaking FACTS🤷🏽♂️
@michelletimme80414 ай бұрын
I dont understand why Lindsey's saying the betrayal was him telling Kyle first?! How about, she's mad that he told Kyle on camera. I'd hope he fucking told someone else before her. Carl needed to talk someone he felt safe with. And he definitely needed to process out loud to someone. That's normal and healthy. Totally agree w Amanda's perspective. I do think Lindsey believes her own bullshit and really needs someone who holds her accountable instead of yes people. Poor Carl, dude looks like he's aged 10 years. No more hot Carl.
@michelletimme80414 ай бұрын
And if im about to marry someone who says on a national TV show that I'm on drugs when I've worked so hard to be sober.. freaking take me out. I actually just left a marriage where the guy had so much past trauma he couldn't trust and it definitely went down the path of him looking through everything I own and still being untrusting he was the type of person who'd threaten to use my deepest fears against me by screenshoting conversations we had. Not arguments or anything just conversations where I'd reveal secrets. Can't believe Carl and I lived with people like this for over a year.
@GraceGiles-gigibaby4 ай бұрын
I think he's still hot. He's more just mentally broken..
@jdubbersw7774 ай бұрын
Carl being from Pittsburgh so makes sense now. I get it. Avoidance is what we do. 🤦🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤦🏿♀️😑🫣
@G.O.A.TGAMER1454 ай бұрын
That’s an odd statement. Could it be possible he truly loved her but she was a monster and it scared him?
@Elizabeth-bk4bs4 ай бұрын
what a performance from Lindsay here...wow
@ncwellsnw4 ай бұрын
Lindsay "i...i...i...i". Said it all.
@ola3rd4 ай бұрын
Even Paige knows Lindsay is fake af, that crying scene was so fake. Like this aint a telenovela 😂
@michelleforbes78234 ай бұрын
He did let her know that he was not happy. She is blind. It didn't fit in her view of life.
@natalysentifconson-zj2gx4 ай бұрын
I agree with you! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.
@ayomideakinokun57394 ай бұрын
I'm so glad to see these viewpoints. Yesterday all I saw were hardcore Lindsey supporters with one-sided takes. Both sides had a part in the dysfunction and Carl is not some monster.
@jenspaulding22354 ай бұрын
Carl is trying to navigate sober life, of course he needs a gentle and encouraging partner. To put ur hands up and say “that’s just not me” is selfish and proves how they’re just not a good match! She acts like she has no idea where this came from but wouldn’t even drive in a car with her fiancé. It’s mind blowing to me how much she victimizes herself. Good for Carl for speaking up before they got married. That couldn’t have been easy! That speaks volumes to him as a whole. We have seen her play victim and be selfish over and over again! To her best friends even. It’s no surprise to me that she has shown her true colors to her own fiancé
@kittenbrave10034 ай бұрын
Lindsay just wanted to be married and have a baby... It didn't have to be Carl. He was in a weird place after his brother died and he got clean.
@theresaterry1644 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏 Absolutely!
@michaelshinners68474 ай бұрын
Lindsay is "crying in her heart!"😂❤😂
@MA-lx8op4 ай бұрын
Lindsey is such an actress!!
@haley29264 ай бұрын
Paige saying “calll ittt!!” funny af
@heatherchristiana38754 ай бұрын
Paige has her own dysfunctional relationship to deal with. I like her w Craig, but she is clearly leading him on. She has zero intention on moving to Charleston
@haley29264 ай бұрын
@@heatherchristiana3875 I disagree with her all the time but the chick is hilarious
@ncwellsnw4 ай бұрын
You know that scene in Once Upon A Time in Hollywood where Leo DiCaprio is pointing at the screen like 'its right there, right there.' That is Paige with Craig. She is super terrified of all the things she sees around her. It's sad, because she will lose Craig over it. But I still wish both of them the best because from what I have seen they are both good people.
@mudd81094 ай бұрын
@@haley2926no, she is basic. She just has months of time to think of “funny” things to say after the fact. Confessional gangster. Fake beyond words.
@theresaterry1644 ай бұрын
@@mudd8109no….. Paige is funny and a lot of fun to watch! Love her!
@iamjoshdouglas4 ай бұрын
Man even Jesse was like "dude wtf are you saying right now" when West was like...oh I'm supposed to change what i do? lmao
@magnoliab9284 ай бұрын
Holding the kleenex up and never using it says everything as she cry-voices her devastation.
@lynnbendy4 ай бұрын
Carl was unfairly judged based on Scandavol. After watching the show, and seeing their constant fighting, he definitely made the right decision. The fact that Lindsay is still not taking any responsibility for her part, and instead making herself the victim, which is ridiculous based on her personality, shows she has alot of work to do before being able to have a healthy relationship.
@natalysentifconson-zj2gx4 ай бұрын
I agree with you! Well said! I'm glad Carl's mother and stepfather gave him advice. The advice came at the right time, just in time. Lindsay is such a manipulator! I hate to see how she manipulates each of her subsequent boyfriend so that he does everything the way it suits her. It gets to the point where all her boyfriends start to be afraid of her. They are afraid to say an extra word to her, so that she will not be offended. She loves to make herself look like a victim and constantly find fault with her boyfriends. Lindsay perceives and treats her boyfriends, in this case, the fiance, not as the most wonderful person in the world, whom she wants to put on a pedestal, but as a thing that she bought and this thing should work 100% for her. Lindsay squeezes all the juices out of her boyfriends until they start running away from her. This is not love. Love is when you love your fiance the way he is, and you don't constantly try to find fault with him. Apparently Lindsay won't understand this.
@sophiagallant35744 ай бұрын
The women's micro expressions in the final scene was priceless. My main tip for them in conflict would be - don't interrupt, breathe and slow down, create space to support the other person expressing their needs, and truly listen. His comment on feeling crazy and her alternate reality is always a clue someone is in an abusive relationship. There may be moments where the truth is shown, but then the rosy colored glasses come back on so that's why I think he often seemed out of sorts. He had moments of clarity but not enough to fully understand what was happening. Lindsay is way more invested in her story than connection, though I can see she was trying but she's clearly just more used to being in or around abuse and doesn't have the same alarm bells going off that he did. Excited for the reunion!
@sarcasm1764 ай бұрын
Gabby needs to shut her mouth
@lisawilliams53534 ай бұрын
Paige, Amanda, ave definitely Coara need to shut theirs
@theresaterry1644 ай бұрын
@@lisawilliams5353 If they did it would be boring
@truthhurts88194 ай бұрын
Lindsay not innocent at all in that relationship. Danielle can go. I think Carl showed up at that bridal shower to see how Lindsay was treating his mother. Lindsay can hold a grudge, look at her attitude towards his mother clearly Lindsay was bothered. Carl was right to call it off. Gabby look so ridiculous defending that ish 🙄.
@theresaterry1644 ай бұрын
I agree with most of what you said. I don’t think Gabby looks bad for being a super, supportive friend
@joshknutson164 ай бұрын
Agree with Ciara 100% on the Lindsay victim part, nothing is ever on her ever and constantly blames others
@brendamartin29524 ай бұрын
Do you remember her conflict with Austin and when she threw a wine GLASS at Lindsay and she took negative accountability? Everything she said included BUT Ciara is no better.
@barberiabrown88484 ай бұрын
@@brendamartin2952when did Ciara throw a glass at Linds? It was Danielle and she did apologize and she did take accountability for it.
@dvroble4 ай бұрын
“What are they 🤪?” I LOVE Jesse Solomon sm
@as73264 ай бұрын
Lindsey must've taken crying lessons from Sandoval🙄
@bonniewilt96944 ай бұрын
You wrote what I was thinking
@maryjacobsen65394 ай бұрын
Good one!
@lagatitabruja4 ай бұрын
West is so not the hot shit he thinks he is so embarrassing
@SB-hj9ue4 ай бұрын
Twerp energy
@darlcarl10724 ай бұрын
The fake tears are TOO MUCH AHHH it gives me so much cringe
@tiffanimorris71274 ай бұрын
Lindsay's no tears tells me everything I need to know about how her and Carl's showmance. If she was a good actress she might've been able to sell this broken engagement 💔 9:17 is the worst acting EVER!!
@maryjacobsen65394 ай бұрын
If you watch the episode where they break up, Lindsay actually broke up with Carl. I didn’t hear him say that he wanted to break up. I heard him say that he wasn’t ready to get married two months later. That to me sounds like he wanted to postpone the wedding. Nevertheless they are both better off not marrying each other. They just weren’t right for each other. I wish them both the best, but I wish Lindsay would learn to take accountability for her own actions, but I don’t see that happening as she doesn’t think she makes mistakes.
@truthhurts88194 ай бұрын
Danielle can go. We already know Danielle is happy to get camera time with everyone meeting in her apartment. Love Kyle in that clip, he told the truth. Carl did the right thing, Glad Amanda stood up for him in that group meet up. We all know Gabby was ready to start bashing Carl. Gabby is Lindsay new enabler, annoying. Love Ciara, Amanda, and Paige respose❤.
@sogiki4 ай бұрын
Why is Lindsay holding a tissue when she has no tears.
@peggyolson56164 ай бұрын
took a page out of Amber Heard's book
@aluthraebuetse98694 ай бұрын
@@peggyolson5616 dead 💀
@tealee46694 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@daniela_k_4 ай бұрын
The way Lindsey is calling this the ultimate betrayal has me looking at her sideways. How is someone not being ready to get married in 2 months a betrayal?
@happywings154 ай бұрын
And not being ready to marry someone you’ve been bickering with the whole 2nd half of the relationship mind you. No one should rush into marriage in that state when both people aren’t changing, unfortunately,at the end of the day, that’s what the engagement period is for.
@paf25874 ай бұрын
Right calling him a terrorist and saying he’s not sober. Lindsey is an awful woman.
@Haiirrrr4 ай бұрын
Bringing the cameras in for that conversation and filming with kyle beforehand was the betrayal
@paf25874 ай бұрын
@@Haiirrrr betrayal is claiming your partner isn’t sober when that’s all he works on day in and day out.
@Haiirrrr4 ай бұрын
@@paf2587 I don’t disagree
@chenchanlo95564 ай бұрын
Welp. Lindsay has a future in lifetime movies.
@joshknutson164 ай бұрын
I think Lindsay should go on The Bachelorette. It would be TV gold
@sophrosyne59004 ай бұрын
OMFG YES !!!!!!!!!
@Birdrobin154 ай бұрын
I can not watch the false crying from lindsey 😂
@lrivera314 ай бұрын
The fake tears are just not good. Horrible acting. This girl knew it was over.
@tazzibear864 ай бұрын
Amanda shouldn't judge how much they're arguing. It's wild, Kyle and Amanda haven't stopped arguing since before they got married . Maybe Lindsay was taking notes from Amanda and Kyle.
@lipkin1084 ай бұрын
All I got to say is I cannot wait for this reunion and everyone being delusional
@belindareyes23664 ай бұрын
The tearless crying...
@travelfoodielove4 ай бұрын
Amanda is not one to give relationship advice - none of them are! HAHAHAHAHAAAAA
@BerryFlair4 ай бұрын
I can’t believe Amanda is talking about “they were fighting a lot ” Her and Kyle’s pre-martial fights and arguments were 10 times worse than this. Her marriage is horrible. Truth is: Carl felt powerless and this was the only move he had. He thought she would grovel and she didn’t. Maybe he was blindsided by that.
@brittschmidt98354 ай бұрын
Let's stop acting like we know these people please... whatever opinion you have is valid but like both situations are equally bad. Kyle and Amanda love enough to stick it out and work through their shit. Carl and Lindsey don't..... clearly 😮
@BerryFlair4 ай бұрын
@@brittschmidt9835 you typed all of that to say nothing? Brava
@lesley13464 ай бұрын
Carl is weak but he did the best thing for both of them. Lyndsay was going to go through with the wedding because of her timeline no matter what. He didn’t want her to grovel. He knew their marriage would not work and he finally said it out loud
@Haiirrrr4 ай бұрын
Carl was ending it. There was no going back. He’s full of it
@nameless.faceless.4 ай бұрын
Paige, don’t pretend like you don’t want at least one person to co-sign your feelings too. I hate when people come for others for basic things all humans would want/do.
@minnieminimoe77304 ай бұрын
Amanda said it perfectly. Lindsey wanted to give advise not support. Carl was asking for support.
@aaa383884 ай бұрын
Gabby is trying not to laugh 😆
@sxocardona4 ай бұрын
Gabby is so annoying co signing everything lol
@BonnieEwert4 ай бұрын
Lyndsey is Lyndsey. But dry tears. …anyways, best it’s done now then later.
@mrs.stewart68334 ай бұрын
Gabby secured her spot on the show... Amanda was right to check Gabby and Lindsey knew she didn't want Carl..it's obvious
@roxilindaaa4 ай бұрын
Calling off the wedding wasn’t the blindside it’s the cameras in Lindsey’s face when he did it.
@belindareyes23664 ай бұрын
He told her he was having doubts and second thoughts the last weekend they were there. Thats why she didnt want to ride back with him. She was not blindsided.
@lisamarie82654 ай бұрын
Lindsay tooting her own horn, she talks as though she should be canonized. Let me call the Vatican.
@thats.so.logan004 ай бұрын
Carl has had this planned for a while now. Like 2 season back…. Can’t convince me different after how many times I’ve rewatched the entire series. He’s been self producing for years .
@TitaniumTectonic4 ай бұрын
They love making excuses for Carl's avoidant personality. He chose Lindsay knowing who she was, yet they have so much sympathy for him and none for her. I don't get it.
@dararupert71994 ай бұрын
This! Lindsay has her issues but they've always been the same. He's known her for 8 years so I just can't wrap my brain around how he could have thought she'd change. If there is one thing Lindsay has always been it's consistent in her behaviour.
@G.O.A.TGAMER1454 ай бұрын
But he only saw / listened to HER side of the story. I’m sure he was also thinking “I’m her “best friend” she won’t treat me like the other men”. Lindsay is a scary problem. She is spinning webs and playing games every day….theres no reality for her. She says she was “waiting for Carl” but she wanted to marry EVERY SINGLE GUY she dated! Bravo should get all of her exes in a room to chat!
@johnnydyes4 ай бұрын
No tears lmao 🤣
@lipkin1084 ай бұрын
Take a shot everytime Carl says conflict
@TitaniumTectonic4 ай бұрын
Paige is so critical of others but didn't like when Danielle gave her the same energy. She lacks empathy, is cold and self-righteous. It's also annoying that she calls anyone who supports Lindsay a lapdog but doesn't have the same opinion of Ciara and Amanda. I'm starting to dislike her.
@kreyna154 ай бұрын
Same
@Haiirrrr4 ай бұрын
Spot on
@therealhouseofpop7294 ай бұрын
Page is so disingenuine. When we’ve seen not only paid shit talk Lindsay but craig shit talk Lindsay. Page and Carla are giving those friends that talk shit behind your back.
@mysticmoonpanda4 ай бұрын
Yes!!!
@matthewdibernardo68364 ай бұрын
There is no way Carl will ever win this. Lindsay is a pro at PR. She knows exactly what to say to get everyone on her side.
@boipink4 ай бұрын
He won when he broke off the wedding with her
@melissagallagher6044 ай бұрын
Lindsay and Gabby are both so blind to how things work in reality. Gabby is ride or die for LIndsay so she has a story line to even be on the show. Carl made the best decision of his life.
@triciasamuels63724 ай бұрын
Did Gabby not watch last year Danielle?
@MC-tu7bm4 ай бұрын
Who is that big Puppet next to Lindsey😂
@Nicole384014 ай бұрын
Lindsay saying she was Carl's safety net is absurd. He needed a safety net from her. She degraded that man every chance she got. West is immature, he should stay single. If my husband was calling other women "baby," it would absolutely be a problem. He at least knows himself well enough to know he should not be in a relationship. Cierra needs a fully mature man.
@vburge74814 ай бұрын
She was his safety net. She was the person who was there for him the most when his brother died. It’s not fair to take away all she did for him as a friend just cos you don’t like how their relationship ended up
@MissPerriwinkle4 ай бұрын
carl is free of that icy lady. YAY !!!!!
@KimberlyNicoleFoster894 ай бұрын
Damn. She really does cry with no tears.
@linlee51624 ай бұрын
Love Paige, Linds playing victim again. Paige is genuine. He did u a favor……you’re welcome!!! We all knew it wasn’t going to work. Gab is new to the gang, she doesn’t kno psycho Linds. Linds is Extra, Carl was my tru love, really??? Danielle n Gab could vanish.😊
@brendamartin29524 ай бұрын
So does Carl.
@dani-ol5xb4 ай бұрын
Lindsay just puts on such a show. I love her for it but she also just puts on such a facade and it’s so easy to see through if you have eyes and a brain. If you think she’s just a helpless victim you haven’t been paying attention. And Gabi is just the cringiest.
@cindyjackson24574 ай бұрын
Bravo Amanda, seeing things with compassion, even though you may not agree.
@madrina3124 ай бұрын
West is so awful for Ciara.. hopefully she realized this after the show wrapped
@brookebegeny274 ай бұрын
How do people not understand this? Lindsay was blindsided by Carl breaking up with her ON CAMERA. And I liked Paige but now I see she’s quite too faced.
@zeroman1554 ай бұрын
Lindsey is sooo sad, that she's already in another relationship. 😁😅