Carl Rogers: The Conversation | Saybrook University

[@NavneetBains]

Carl Roger's is an amazing humanbeing who loved humans unconditionally and gave us the gift to follow him to do the same. Thank you Carl Rogers.

[@Pyappers]

There was something special in his voice. I find the best way to prep for a therapy session with a client is to listen to Rogers speaking for 10 minutes beforehand.he was spiritual as well as psychological. That was his gift.

[@mikemosscounsellingsupervi2349]

At times I have imagined his hand on my shoulder during a session.

[@TheTherapistGamer]

All these years later Carl Rogers' ideas have transformed the field of psychotherapy, yet many modern therapists don't seem to even know who he is or what he believed. I have some concern that in the age of measurable-results-centered treatment that person-centered treatment will wane. Nevertheless, I'm glad these videos are around and I always find Carl to be refreshing.

[@selbst105]

i also wonder, why many modern therapists do not seem to know carl rogers. he was a head doctor in a psychiatric clinic! hm, i read, that his ansatz of person-centered treatment has been integrated in every psychotherapeutic education. ( i read it about germany because i live in germany.) it is a little bit a mystery, what became form his ansatz. greetings!

[@TheTherapistGamer]

@@selbst105 Social scientists have done many research studies to try to understand what aspects of therapy bring about change. Meta-analyses of hundreds of research studies reveal that there are four main categories of therapeutic dynamics that facilitate change. 1. Client Factors - accounts for 40% of change. This category includes anything about the client - their personality, their life situation, whether or not their dog just died, and so on. The therapist has no control or influence whatsoever over these factors. 2. The type of intervention used - accounts for 15% of change. This category includes whether the therapist used CBT, DBT, Person-Centered, Gestalt, Psychodynamic, etc. 3. Placebo Effect - accounts for 15% of change. People seem to get better simply because they believe that they will, and because they are engaged in treatment. 4. The Therapeutic Relationship - accounts for 30% of change. This category involves the quality of the relationship between the therapist and the client. Modern-day therapists and academics know this information. It is now common knowledge that it is very important for there to be a good relationship between the therapist and the client. This is exactly what Carl Rogers was speaking to (and it was NOT common knowledge before he proposed it; in fact, Freud believed any therapeutic relationship was harmful to therapy). That's why people say his philosophy is now a part of all therapeutic approaches. But what they are missing is that the Person-Centered approach isn't just a part of therapy - it IS therapy. But personal growth is hard to measure, and health insurance companies don't like to pay for things that can't be measured. They like paying for things that have studies saying "Anxiety reduced by 18%," and modalities like CBT are very easy to research and get such results.

[@selbst105]

@@TheTherapistGamer hello! thank you for your answer and explanation.. i have to read it one more time when my concetnration is better, to understand everything. wahrt you write is reasonable. one question: what means CBT and DBT? " This is exactly what Carl Rogers was speaking to (and it was NOT common knowledge before he proposed it; in fact, Freud believed any therapeutic relationship was harmful to therapy). That's why people say his philosophy is now a part of all therapeutic approaches." i see! thank you! and now i understand, why it is said. "But what they are missing is that the Person-Centered approach isn't just a part of therapy - it IS therapy." right. i never tested the person-centered theerapy. i would like. but here in germany you have to pay for your own for it. other therapy-methods are paid from the health-sector. yes, i guess, i think similarly: that it IS the therapy. to me it sounds like a good ansatz. and other methods do not use it. ok, health incurance companies do not want to pay for unmeasurable things, i understand. i guess CBT means something like behavior. it seems a little superficial to me to say: go out. ( if you are afraid of going out.) but otherwise it is direct. i wonder, why mr rogers wanted to change the therapie itself (the whole) as a head doctor of a psychiatric clinic. in a way i feel like an object in behavioral therapy with an illness. one thought in between: maybe he thought differently about illness also. maybe he saw selfhealing power/potential in the person the person heals him/her-self. ? `which includes another view of illness. like: there is no ill person, but a powerfull. i do not like t say pople are mentally ill. sorry, i do not know so many things, facts, details about him. at the moment i have a physical therapy and i am stunning, how holistic they see pain and brain and person. the young guys there are very respectful and know a lot of things. i miss that with psychologists, these one i got to know and had met so far, the respectfulness. i feel almost a bit like in a psychotherapy in the physical therapy. it was a good experience. bye!

[@TheTherapistGamer]

@@selbst105 CBT is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. The main idea of CBT is that a person's thoughts, feelings, and behaviors are all connected (which most would say is true), and that by changing your thoughts or behaviors you can change your feelings. This is a sound therapy and it is broadly used. However, I personally think it does lead therapists and clients to see the "problem" as being central in therapy and the approach can come across as "You have a sickness. We will apply this treatment to decrease the sickness." This works fine for many people. However, I think it is a fairly narrow perspective of human healing and it doesn't resonate with many people who go to therapy. Many people attend CBT therapy and have their symptoms reduced, but the symptoms gradually return after therapy stops. DBT is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. It is very similar to CBT but it places a lot of focus on the client learning specific coping skills and employing them when they find it difficult to manage their emotions. It is primarily used for an issue termed Borderline Personality Disorder (another proposed name is Emotional Dysregulation Disorder). People with Borderline Personality Disorder tend to have very tumultuous relationships that they often sabotage. Underlying many of their struggles is a strong desire for close relationships, but a deep fear that they will be abandoned because they are flawed. Consequently, they tend to draw people close to them only to push them away (they push away so that they won't be abandoned). Many people in their lives have usually been hurt by the relationship dynamics. This isn't a full explanation, but I think it begins to illustrate that it is a complex issue. I personally think that DBT has some good parts to it, but that it is basically unlikely to bring about lasting, permanent change. I don't think it really gets at the deeper issues going on. However, it is extremely easy to research and measure ("They employed the coping skills 12 times last week but only 9 times the week before, ergo they are 25% better!"). Because the therapy is easy to measure, I think it is seen as more effective than it actually is. I think DBT also has other issues, such as very loose relationship boundaries between the therapist and client which actually can reinforce the very issue they are trying to work on in therapy. To be fair, though, it is usually difficult to provide helpful treatment to someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. What I am about to write is over-simplified, but I hope it can add clarity. In my opinion, a major part of therapy is looking at yourself and understanding yourself. Why do you think the way you think? Why do you feel the way you feel? Why do you do the things you do? However, people generally have a very difficult time doing this effectively because they unconsciously use many defense mechanisms. As you say, Karl Rogers believed that people were innately able to heal on their own, but only if they were in a therapeutic environment. He believed a therapist needs to provide empathy, unconditional positive regard ("I care about you no matter what"), and congruence (the therapist has to be genuine and not just going through the motions). He believed that if the therapist provided these three elements then the person would have a decreased need for defense mechanisms and thus would be able to truly look at themselves and understand themselves. He believed that this process would bring about lasting healing.

[@selbst105]

@@TheTherapistGamer thank you for your kind answer and the informations in detail! yes, it brought clarity in a way. DBT is not existing in germany.. i never heard of it. the therapies, that are offered by healthcare system ( and which are paid) in germany are CBT, psychoanalysis and depthpsychology oriented psychotherapy. good, that you mentions once more the 3 elements of carls rogers. i read about them one time, now i remember. it seems, he has a very positive way to look on human beings it seems. i wonder, how he came to it. do you know something about it? it seems out of the ordinary, like nobody have done it before, almost 'revolutionary'. thanks again very much for all that work of writing. i will inform myself a little more on carl rogers. have a nice day.

[@lesleybrady3948]

He blows me away! He’s just amazing!!!!❤

[@antiantipoda]

I am here because a ong in Brazil uses his theories for suicide prevention. I am starting my training to become a volunteer and listen to those who look for this help line.

[@plunderclat221]

Wonderful man. He left us all with many gifts.

[@jaspr7]

beautiful mind, magnanimous soul. Thank you Carl Rogers. Rest easy.

[@ericswolgaard1808]

To hear the living attitudes of accurate empathy, unconditional positive regard and the ongoing, changing sense of discovery in the voice of Carl Rogers is a powerful experience.

[@lesleybrady3948]

I’m so happy to read in words what I was feeling 🙏 thank you ❤

[@schoolwork232]

That concepts of being equals, is transforming but yet challenging at the same time. IT really takes humility to try and comprehend this concept and practice it in life. It was true when he said that this concept is hard to attain when you think about hierarchical positions because it requires dying to self, choosing to be a servant leader. It is a hard concept to comprehend!

[@Neilgs]

What Carl Rogers refers to as the true understanding of "meeting as equals" regardless of exterior position (i.e., occupation, parent/child, teacher/student, etc.) is a revolutionary concept because it will fundamentally change the nature of relationships in humanity where no person, no status (no externalized symboli manifestation or definition) will be considered superior/inferior and upon it the pivotal axis of " the self" or "typical identity" itself will fundamentally alter on a neurophysiological basis (a deeper maturation of the neocortex). Essentially we can conceive of this deeper ability to process as the human transformation of empathy itself into deeper states (or processes) of empathic exchange/awareness. He was a century or more ahead of his time!

[@eliezerjaffre7733]

I have been interested I your comment. But...Don’t you think that does exist an other kind of asymmetry, for instance prior / subsequent instead of superior / inferior, absolutely necessary, in the father / son relationship, so that the son could build up his proper identity?

[@lottemeoo2598]

And that’s the idea of the founding fathers in the USA:)

[@markhenryramsey9132]

Carl Rogers and Fritz Perls are two favourite therapists of mine. Very different views/theories but equally effective under different circumstances. Inspirational.

[@ironjohnlad]

Thanks for posting. Carl Rogers books were revolutionary for me, and hearing his voice and ideas is wonderful.

[@freshlifecounseling]

What book do you recommend I read please?

[@ironjohnlad]

@@freshlifecounseling On Becoming a Person . Client Centred Therapy and both excellent places to start

[@freshlifecounseling]

@@ironjohnlad thanks for the reply my friend

[@anaacevedofrejnak380]

Conocer al creador del modelo que práctico me da algo así ...como calma ,respeto y admiración!

[@nachovaldemarin6229]

A mí también ❤️

[@mihaibob4732]

Thankful for the civilised posting. And the useful information shared. *chapeau*

[@allisonhallman4568]

This is straight Love

[@mgpwclive]

He speaks the truth

[@bystander1255]

How very insightful

[@suzychristensen8977]

Most people are unaware of what empathy is

[@TheBrakedown]

thank you thank you thank you

[@shurdell]

Volume is so low for speakers. I can't hear all that is said and can't find a way to get volume above 100

[@zoopdiwop]

Damn I would have loved to hear his answer to the last question: "Don't they have to?" (make their employers, teachers or whoever become person-centered). Anyway, nice video and thank you very much for uploading :)

[@alexlam1838]

Me too! Im eager to know their answer. I am confused with that being thought as radical problem a lot.

[@CamRebires]

I think it's fairly simple, as he said before, people have the tendency to "want" power, which makes it hard for an employee to ask their employer to not look down on them as much, in doubt the employee gets fired. People in power can only let go of it themselves or by people with even more power, they won't just let go of it voluntarily (typically speaking)

[@joannabananaboat]

at 23:50 - I can't understand what he's saying. An "I avow relationship"? "Eye eval"? I am googling and cannot find anything.

[@pianofever8586]

It's really your I-Thou relationship. Look up Martin Buber. So far I have learned It-Thou, where you either objectify the other (It) or you respect them as a separate and sacred entity (Thou).

[@violetmartha916]

29:00 I thought they were taking a break by listening to some folk music 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@lukecarey613]

🎵

[@An_Abandoned_Forest]

2023 Here and alone

[@Mandarin2099]

Does anyone know the organization responsible for this interview? I am looking to cite in APA style.

[@user-km4tc6ln4c]

Wie nett die zusammensitzen im Wohnzimmer 🙂

[@Travanators]

This is the way

[@rohatmiran2409]

Gibt es mit Deutsch Untertitel?

[@polarper8165]

Beautiful

[@krisscanlon4051]

Measurable results treatment is honestly is a joke...SMART goals alone...Roger's work informs regardless of the financial bottomline.

[@VladyslavKL]

🦋

[@katarzynalindner594]

How incetifull❤

[@selbst105]

ha, i have a new thought. people need to have, want to have power in their life. want power - like a human need. because humans are powerfull. :) so a therapy who gives people power, themselves power, is working fine. ;) because it is in line with life. :)

[@joachimguth6226]

I stumbled upon this phrase as well. I am extending anyway “Carl Roger Talks” to talks between superior and subordinate in work relationships. Yes as leaders we want power. Carl Roger Talks in work relationships can transform company cultures.

[@ttimetotroll]

9:30 It was shameful for people to go to counseling, for it was so deterministic and you have someone who would really just hammer you with what you should be doing. Even though it might be insightful, it was shameful

[@PetadeAztlan]

▶ Carl Rogers: The Conversation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH-9gYmKqNylntU ~Pub June 26, 2012 ++++ ~ Being or person centered therapy. Even the therapist needs therapy, the counselor needs counseling, the educator needs educating, the healer needs healing.@Peta_de_Aztlan ++++

[@iceypoopy5652]

#IWU

[@dejanmarkovic3040]

mkaaay...

[@WH-hi5ew]

makaay...interjection. Okay; an expression of acknowledgment or affirmation, now often used in an ironical or condescending sense.

[@dejanmarkovic3040]

@@WH-hi5ew It's not an interjection. Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. That was a reference to a famous fictional character who's also a shrink of sorts...so what I was insinuuating is that Rodgers said that when he finished. Please think through whatever it os you wanna say before you say it. This is why I leave a conversation in reality when my interlocutor has no basic discourse decency. You just open your mouth, or type and assume it's gonna make sense...I bet most of the time your basic premise is "I'm smart, I can just say things without thinking them through, cause I'm smart and educated"...self-enchanted, smug elitist...with your audacity to taint the wholesomeness of a Rodgers video...nothing is sacred to you pompous intellectuals...go watch a Hitchens videos and smell your own fart, nerd. So in case I haven't made myself clear enough, it wasn't used condescendingly, especially given that I would have to be above Rodgers in order to "descend" to his level...and that's not gonna happen in this life, so...no, it was just for the purposes of soooome fkin levity...a joke...you know those? I assume you can give me the definition, but that's not what I meant...it was just for rhetorical purposes...hence the name. God damn it, I hate how I allow these nerds tk raise my blood pressure...