Carl Sagan on Charlie Rose: Demon-Haunted World

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[@dr.lairdwhitehillsfunwitha67]

Carl Sagan was my thesis advisor. Before he was famous. He was a superstar to me, then. He was the kindest of human beings. I never said thank you. Thank you. My KZbin channel is inspired by you, although since I could never be you, I’m just being me. Sharing my enthusiasm for Astronomy as you shared yours.

[@Euer_Hochwuergen]

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[@user-zp9br7jk9k]

wow... that is awesome... how fortunate you are to have known him.

[@STriderFIN77]

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[@luo__________]

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[@jamesm.2802]

I arrived in Ithaca just a few years after he passed away and so never had the good fortune of meeting him. I did meet Steve Squyres (I think I applied to be an RA for him and was promptly rejected) and often walked past his house. I'm glad to see that you are fostering his legacy and sharing your enthusiasm for space science with others. Subscribed to your channel!

[@j.d.schultzsr.9215]

"Dr. Sagan, do you believe in God?" "Which one?" "There is only one." "That's what they ALL say!"

[@jonjameson9997]

J. D. Schultz, Sr. Is this part of the interview? Or is it part of the book? Please tell me it’s part of the book

[@AsafeFialho]

​@@josephmartin3578 Isn't that one the same who created the fruit trees before every other being, the Earth before the stars and made humanity 6400 years ago? 🤔 HMmMmMmM

[@ayblackie5472]

@@josephmartin3578 ... "Bear up, my child, bear up; Zeus who oversees and directs all things is still mighty in heaven" --- Sophocles

[@steveelim]

@@josephmartin3578 Is this the god that created light and day and night on the first day and the sun on the third?

[@andrewjustice210]

Jon Jameson it’s near the 10min mark

[@LCB_Instituto]

I would feel safer if he was still around to check things. Damn, now that dad is gone, we'll have to do it ourselves. Such a heavy task!

[@KevinMurphy0403]

The Demon Haunted World is probably the most important book that Carl Sagan wrote. It was certainly one of the most influential books I have read in my life and it opened my mind wide to critical thinking. The "baloney detection kit" should be a compulsory tool for every student across the world.

[@therealnucleus274]

"then we are up for grabs to the next charlatan politician that comes along" he really predicted the present

[@ktinxx]

He actually said "... that comes ambling along..." - which is such a Carl Sagan thing to say! I love his diction and his careful phrasing and choice of words. Listening to him never gets tiring!

[@knockshinnoch1950]

This interview illustrates al that is wrong in 2021. A lack of expertise and intellectual rigour in our media and on TV in particular. Extended indepth discussion on important topics. Today everything is reduced to 5 minute segments featuring celebrities or loud eccentric opinionated "personalities" who will provide good sound bites or controversial statements that generate viewing figures and are meme worthy. Everything is dumbed down, no one listens to one another they all talk or shout over and past each other from their entrenched position. It has resulted in a complete nightmare scenario where America ended up with a reality TV President who did untold damage to the fabric of US society and institutions like no one before him.

[@schmetterling4477]

The audience can't take more than that. It's not the media. It's who they are catering to.

[@nonyabeezwax8693]

It's all true demons from the Bible run our government

[@-opie-]

It’s a dynamic. Chicken or the egg? You tell me

[@vincentrusso4332]

Untold damge you say..Ukraine has entered the chat... bahahaha

[@LandscapeJoe]

This should have 1 billion views! Absolute genius. So we’ll spoken.

[@manpreetbhattee9732]

A very healthy debate which still holds so much relevance to this day.

[@Ibeatganon4fun]

This must have been right before he died... I cried when I heard him say he was optimistic and joyous. I've never missed someone I never knew more than I miss Carl...

[@2fast2block]

Yep, and he's dead now. He has no functioning brain to sense anything. God will raise him from the dead to face his judgment and then Carl will face his second death, being thrown into the lake of fire for his final The End. He ignored the many proofs of God because of Carl's pride. He loved leading others down the same path and for that you miss him. Wow. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.

[@antontonable]

"I've never missed someone I never knew more than I miss Carl"... That is a terrific summation on my feelings for Dr. Sagan.

[@oldschoolman1444]

We don't run the government, the government runs us. Damn, Carl sure got that right!

[@saiyaniam]

Only if the masses are uneducated...

[@billclay2701]

@@saiyaniam and divided

[@VovaYanchich]

Great man. As former young semi-scientist I was interested in his works and never met a person with such brilliant mind among all our venerable professors and academics. Huge respect.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

ths reminds me of Richard Dawkins' statement : "By all means let's have open minds, but not so open that our brains fall out."

[@waseem7195]

Made me lol

[@Galifamackus]

I think this was Carl Sagan’s quote originally, but I always loved pairing it with “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

[@santiagoospina8942]

This statement was also made by Richard Feynman! :)

[@samsonwilkinson8090]

Imagine how he'd feel if he saw the Covid death toll and the swathes of ignorance afflicting the USA today.

[@erichkaufmann5284]

You can never be grateful

[@gurgy3]

You mean the 99.5 percent survival rate? He’d probably feel just fine.

[@meinherzbrennt9007]

@@gurgy3 There's a reason the movement was called "flatten the curve" it's not about your selfish belief of survival, it's about preventing the spread from reaching someone who can't survive. If you're so cold as to just play the numbers game ask someone who lost a loved one if they believe the person they lost is just a number. It's collateral damage cause by idiots.

[@zachrowe6271]

@@gurgy3 600,000 Americans dead and you scoff. What an embarrassment to the human species

[@seanchaney3086]

He would not be too fond of Leftism, today.

[@zinavejzovic9247]

One of a kind

[@mosredna_allerednic]

When they started talking about his cancer, I couldn't hold back my tears. So much passion for life, so optimistic about his changes of survival. A true loss. Greatly missed, still to this day.

[@2fast2block]

Carl thought the universe and life just started on their own, no supernatural power needed. There is NO evidence to support that but he didn't care, Carl was happy spreading lies. And that you call a true loss? Why? Because you support lying too.

[@mosredna_allerednic]

@@2fast2block 😆 you should be a stand up comedian

[@2fast2block]

@@mosredna_allerednic so, to you this is a good comeback to show how the universe and life came about on its own... "you should be a stand up comedian" Carl would have been proud of you for also ignoring reality like he did.

[@keibon11]

@@2fast2block Do you have any tangible prood that god exists? god is the refuge for ignorance. god was created by man as an answer for what he could not understand. YOU still do not understand.

[@2fast2block]

@@keibon11 you're like Carl, you ignore things even from the start the start, creation. To you man created God as you NEVER will explain how man created the universe too. Like Carl, you love being clueless.

[@dr.lairdwhitehillsfunwitha67]

He was a visionary. He was my personal hero.

[@Raj-jb2it]

He is now my personal hero Even though I am just 17

[@marlonese]

Not just yours. I hope to continue his dream one day and carry on his legacy.

[@ΚωσταςΨυχιδης]

Where is he now?

[@racheleraanan5133]

@@ΚωσταςΨυχιδης - Is this a metaphysical question??

[@ΚωσταςΨυχιδης]

@@racheleraanan5133 It is a simble one.

[@skelitalmisfit12]

The earth lost one of its biggest proponents when Carl died. What an absolutely impressive impact that this beautiful organism has had on many of our ways of thinking. Without Carls promotion of skepticism I might have never got out of the religious cult like way of thinking that I resided. He is the primary catalyst for my applications to colleges. If it were not for this man and his beautiful books and legacy, I truly would not be where I am today.

[@paulwheeler63]

That was a fantastic interview! He too is my hero!

[@venerexate1841]

What is faith? It is belief in the absence of evidence. We should withhold belief until there is evidence. He is great at explaining this stuff.

[@hozlopez]

So relevant today. We are part of a dumber society and thus we get our representatives and leaders accordingly. Totally disconnected except for the few of us that can achieve a higher level and thus achieve nore.

[@robribant6716]

I feel Carl Sagan opened my mind/eyes to soo much and I also learned that there is/was someone out there that was that smart and enlightening. But what worries me most now, there’s been no replacement, nobody has come along with that intelligence to continue carrying the torch of science and teaching. There are very bright people out there but no Carl Sagan. The world really lost a great man.

[@livejay9062]

There have been a few who've tried, but the powers that be have systematically villainized them. Sagan left us a few years before things really started getting polarized. Sometimes I wonder what he would have done to make things better. Certainly he would have.

[@CharlesAbramson-hh6wk]

Right, we get Neal Tyson...Bill Nye...Fauci

[@waseem7195]

I think Dawkins is doing a pretty admirable job. No one could replace Sagan but we do have some heroes out there

[@AYVYN]

Carl Sagan had the charm, patience, and sincerity to not alienate the general public. He wouldn’t be insulting people on Twitter like Richard Dawkins or Tweeting pretentious things like Neil deGrasse Tyson. Nothing against those two but they occasionally forgo public perception in pursuit of self-flattery

[@Koooles]

@@AYVYN it's relative to their times, no one would speak like people now speak on Twitter in that day outside of niche/ fringe, doesn't mean that the insults/ slight weren't there, they were just a little more subtle and again, more appropriate for the time. Sagan openly telling that religious people believing in something without evidence are arrogant, that was pretty insulting for a public figure to tell it on TV with Christian majority puritan 70's-80's America.

[@jonjameson9997]

Omg(no pun intended) but my mindset has always been the same. I have NEVER told anyone what to believe in or not to believe in, all I’ve ever wanted for the people I care about is to ask these simple objective questions to themselves and answer them the best way they find possible. The majority of them don’t even get this concept, or even care to ask themselves these questions. It’s so depressing to me. If they can logically accept or understand some of these questions; and still have strong true faith, Good for them. 3/4 wont even ask themselves these things or aren’t even curious enough to get to that point and it’s honestly terrifying.

[@jonjameson9997]

They claim to be fully religious and spiritual but you can’t possibly be if these things don’t come up or aren’t a factor. That’s what makes real faith true. When it’s tested fully and you can still take that leap. Smh..........

[@dorotarola3542]

He was and still is extraordinary Visionary and human being. Too bad he is no longer with us. But he left a lot of materials for us to study. His Legacy will live forever! Thank You Carl Sagan!

[@grahamfunnell5590]

Too few people think like Sagan these days.

[@nohandle62]

RIP, Carl. Sad that he had to waste time battling religion.

[@skonther0ck]

We all need to continue that battle. Now more than ever.

[@Costa_Conn]

It's Nov 2020. This has never been more important.

[@loganstrait7503]

Does anyone else get the feeling, despite Sagan's discussion of how America in those days was sliding into ignorance and anti-intellectualism, that this kind of intellectually rich television program has just completely gone the way of the dinosaur in the 25 years since this aired?

[@2fast2block]

Carl contributed to the ignorance. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.

[@B10Esteban]

Love you Sagan

[@DeanStrickson]

I bought this book. My mom worked for me at the time and saw it. She told me “Oh, I like scary stories!” I told her it’s not like Stephen King fiction. It’s scarier than you think.

[@albertgardner1776]

I've read most of the comments and not one has questioned his thinking. I don't want to bust anyones bubble so i will leave this one comment ( QUESTION EVERYTHING ).

[@utavatar]

i question your comment.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

4:04 - Or, as we saw in 2020 with Fauci, political *WITH* secular pseudoreligious overtones. Carl would have been appalled at the *_scientistic_* hucksterism that Fauci displayed.

[@RJinthematrix]

he was the best of us

[@michaelcooke-z4s]

his book should be standard reading in the curriculum but will it be?

[@chucktaylor4958]

Combustable mixture of ignorance and power. Here we go ya’ll.

[@karlzimmer683]

“The next charlatan that comes along...”. Good lord he predicted DT!

[@JJ-yu6og]

What is DT? What does DT stand for?

[@Euer_Hochwuergen]

@@JJ-yu6og Annoying Orange

[@TheTundraTerror]

Rent free.

[@anniesparks5402]

Dumb Turd fits.

[@bibibrin5035]

Hey, Trump's minions, learn from Carl!! (It's a damn shame they don't want to learn...)

[@NxDoyle]

I understand why biblical literalists refuse to acknowledge the possibility or likelihood of stories being metaphorical or allegorical. A lot of modern Christians eschew the idea of Eden/Adam and Eve as an actual happening. But that creates a huge problem, because if that didn't happen, then there was no actual original sin, and if there was no actual original sin, then there was no need for God Jr to come down, live for 33 years, die for a day and a half and cleanse us of the sin.

[@Mcgovern124]

So glad there’s KZbin to make sure content like this is accessible for all.

[@fredmcelroy2839]

I love Sagan and I love Jefferson.

[@trickysubject8563]

The idea of God is flawed by all the tribes and civilisations that have lived and died without ever knowing of a God. Were they evil and doomed to a life in hell for not considering a deity? Of course not, they simply lived and died as a member of a planet within a solar system. Thank God I’m an atheist. 😏🇬🇧👁

[@markmathews1640]

The Earth is flat.

[@trickysubject8563]

Mark Mathews Is it. I do hope you are joking or being sarcastic. And I suppose the moon is made of cheese and the earth sits on four elephants on a turtles back? 🇬🇧👁

[@waseem7195]

@@josephmartin3578 whoosh

[@toni4729]

@@josephmartin3578 Enjoy your life and live in your narrow hole. The rest of us have bigger places.

[@Ppichas]

This is my image of Hari sledon. The big bang was first posulated by a priest. Carl was lovely

[@chachardbionic]

I love this guy.

[@esk8er900]

I wish so bad that Dr. Sagan could’ve taught a MasterClass or at least lived to see what good we’ve created along with his true predictions of our shortcomings.

[@leilanirocks]

Wow I really miss Dr. Sagan. 😢

[@ralphbernhard1757]

What a brilliant mind.

[@sandrocaputo3141]

Pure wisdom at 360º!!!!

[@ResponseDigitalMedia]

We need Carl today!

[@johnmartin9321]

absolutely ! but still would they listen to him ? I fear we have left it too late

[@vincentrusso4332]

The Babylon magi's got their math time and Geometry units from who... bahahaha, Carl was on the MJ-12 board.. don't let him fool ya.

[@Sed1676]

I became enthralled with Carl Sagan when he released “Cosmos” in ~1985. I’ve always been interested in space exploration. I read a lot of Robert Heinline, Isaac Asimov and many others as a child. He was a true professional with a beautiful mind and voice. I do miss him so.

[@2fast2block]

Looks like you're still a child and you've never grown up to reality, just like Carl didn't. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things. Asking how God was created as if that answered something is downright silly. The question doesn't even make sense. Clearly creation had to be done by a supernatural creator. A supernatural who created the natural realm of time, space, and matter, along with the natural laws that govern it, is not bound by the natural laws the supernatural creator created. That's basic logic but not if you are NOT logical.

[@moonecast]

​@@2fast2blockSounds like you have a dragon in your garage.

[@2fast2block]

@@moonecast wow, how you show the well-established science I gave is not correct..."Sounds like you have a dragon in your garage." Carl would have been proud of you.

[@moonecast]

@2fast2block 😄 I'm not in the mood to have an argument on a KZbin comment section with someone who is deep in narrow-minded thinking. I do suggest you actually read, Demon-Haunted World before knowing anything about Carl Sagan. I believe it would be valuable for you, and if you actually have read it, bravo. Goodnight.

[@2fast2block]

@@moonecast come on, you did want to argue with me and found yourself stuck because you have nothing to offer for your side. Your replies NEVER get around what I gave.

[@susansharp985]

I shall miss the man forever.

[@CharlesAbramson-hh6wk]

As time goes on, I believe the "aliens" are the psychotics running this world. They look and sound like us but they are not like us.

[@BushyHairedStranger]

What was Sagan’s views on Psychedelic’s? Did he have any experiences with Psychedelic substances? Is there any video, audio, literature that shows this???

[@RamiroSuarez77]

Not sure about that, but he wrote an essay on cannabis. Really interesting.

[@wbrown3907]

@@RamiroSuarez77 Thanks for an interesting read.

[@benjaminlquinlan8702]

Listen to him...He says he looks at the universe with an open mind and what it has to teach us. And what? The Bible is outside that category? He takes the literal or materialist perceptive - the one he uses for science and assumes that this is the ultimate interpretive lens to use on a Text. It's so maddeningly one dimensional and shallow for man of with nuance and depth.

[@sthamansinha243]

@@benjaminlquinlan8702 Preach somewhere else dumbass

[@alanparedes2034]

@UC2A6GDojvCSai4t0hk_RXUw you're a fool.

[@CGMaat]

Heaven to our living room

[@johnbeagley1195]

Incredible mind - wonderful human being. He really makes you think outside of the box...and to keep an open mind.

[@Tsun_Wu_Kong-Hanuman]

I remember the team. Of priests and mullahs.. Debating me... ROFL in the last... It was like.. Oh he knows. Everything... Demon... ROFL Yeah I get that a lot... ROFL

[@BGTuyau]

" ... up for grabs for the next charlatan ... ," anyone?

[@bardoface]

I love him. A REAL Prophet in the best sense. Funny as heck too! He had humanity’s best interests in mind. More so then the most religious people.

[@truthseeker9561]

Hes confusing kabbalistic science with Biblical science. Or maybe hes purposely switching them idk. very sly

[@JKB3670]

The commercial that came with this video was MUD Water, I'm not going to try IT.

[@romankrhounek5974]

If you watch Contact when Jodi Foster says Prime numbers the one guy from the government with James Woods says I don't get it

[@tyrannosaurusinf1488]

The failure of the American enterprise will ultimately be due to the failure of the political class to protect the economic interests of the working class. In the 21st century, this is called "socialism", or "communism" or "marxism." And the mention of any of these words means someone taking a buck from me to give it to someone else, when God gave me that buck through my hard work and my work alone. Sagan fails to understand the ultimate futility of thinking minds like his could ever overcome minds like the majority, and that humanity has a future as an advanced species using natural methodology and empathic morality to live in balance with its environment.

[@ab935]

14:02 did Sagan have v2k?

[@geoguitar1950]

Carl reminds me of Joey in Friends. 😊

[@justinsanchez1305]

Wow, very prescient.

[@seesnap]

He reminds me of me

[@Avi-tc2ym]

I think the idea of 'faith' is far more complicated than simply 'belief in the absence of evidence' as Sagan says at 7:16. Faith in many ways speaks to identity, ethnicity, culture, ideology, etc. He breaks it down later, to his credit, but I think the reduction of faith into a belief doesn't really do it justice. I think of faith more as an endorsement, as in a political party - it's like saying, I'm taking THIS side, whatever that may be. It really has no place in scientific experiments or anything, but I think the secular among us should complicate our common understanding of 'faith', so as to avoid Hitchens-like, or New Atheist-type dismissals of it, which I find somewhat unsatisfying. Religion and spirituality has more to do with experience, not so much facts of science, which do not have to be 'real' in the physical sense to be important. RIP Carl, u were definitely the GOAT of cosmology imo

[@oobrocks]

Date??

[@andrew4sale1]

This video is great ty.

[@junevandermark952]

If a scientist is asked the question, “Do you believe that the universe was created,” and the scientist answers, “Yes,” that is not science. That is religion.

[@monteiro.naluiza]

Sagan ❤ best of the best!

[@randycoolbaugh1408]

I want to learn! always have. but information of history, of science is so suppressed. At 50+ years old Im getting more education on "taboo topics" off of You Tube than I ever did in "school".

[@tgstudio85]

You are fcking joking kiddo? Information was reglamented and suppressed like 100y ago, nowadays you have biggest library of humankind in palm of your hand, and you say information is suppressed;)

[@therealNSB]

Now in 2021, what would Carl Sagan say about the removal of the Thomas Jefferson statue from City Hall, NYC? What would he say about Charlie Rose?

[@MikeStoneJapan]

The application of science and tech are keys to power. That's why some would and have seen it controlled and sequestered

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

sagan might even be smarter than rose.... and that ain't sayin too much

[@SergioMyTube]

Charlie Rose. Is not professional in this interview.

[@official.sleepless.dreamers]

i love charlie hes so just professional

[@DeeArr]

Miss that dude…

[@tishahouse846]

Listening from the ukwales ❤️

[@vanguze]

He knew

[@benjaminw736]

Thank you very so much for the video. Great! Can you recommend some books similar to Demon Haunted World? My friends and I are done with it.What should we read next?

[@abiduzair183]

You can check out works of Michael Shermer on skepticism. There's another book/podcast called Skeptics Guide to the Universe.

[@anniesparks5402]

It’s okay, Carl. The Corporations have our backs! 🌏🇺🇸🕳

[@erichkaufmann5284]

Showing China 🇨🇳 on the world very nice my friend I like it

[@jamesstokley1633]

This interviewers manner , makes me feel that he himself is religious and with his own agenda wishes to get Carl to acknowledge religions and blind faith as worthy of suffering in silence and therefore acceptance. It bugs me when interviewers speaking to others they should be honored to interview and listen to and learn from, use their time attempting to further their own beliefs or guide the conversation or cut off the person being interviewed. So disrespectfully attempting to influence in such a way. That just how I feel half way into watching this video for the first time.

[@paulwood3460]

Couldn’t have stated that fact better myself 👍👏

[@DennisMC1974]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@janklaas6885]

©️12:41

[@bentomatos380]

The best!

[@NestorCaster]

Beautiful 😢🥲

[@2fast2block]

It's not beautiful for people like Carl to lie to others. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.

[@x_abyss]

The most challenging life of a scientist isn't just the research, but convincing others about the validity of science itself. Carl Sagan is one of the most brilliant astrophysicist and science communicators ever, which is why I feel like he squandered his intellect, defending scientific methods when pseudoscience and religion were on the rise.

[@deadlypotatoes]

“…long dreamless sleep.” 💤

[@allencollins6031]

Agent Smith rocks

[@Engelhafen]

Superstition was in fact the beginning of science - it was the ability to link cause and effect and take us into science. Many superstitions had grains of causality.

[@DaChef1974]

You couldn't be more wrong.

[@dredre49]

if you dont take the bible litarely. Its just Harry Potter.

[@assadhashemi4667]

I miss this man, Charlie Rose!

[@nickkaning7616]

The Earth orbits around the sun?

[@vincentrusso4332]

Even cancer didn't humble poor Carl... he's a believer now fo sho...

[@jimmyzeigler8840]

Cognitive dissonance and wilfull ignorance.. religion sure has messed up a lot of people..

[@2fast2block]

Religion is not God's fault. What is the fault of people is wanting to remain blind like Carl did. The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LoT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.

[@aratrikarosy8728]

💚💚💚💚💚

[@olimauricestromberg93]

Would love to have had dinner with Carl

[@JJ-yu6og]

From what year is this interview??

[@ShaneyElderberry]

I would guess that the interview happened in 1995.

[@RIUUI007]

Episode dated 27 May 1996

[@skonther0ck]

Does it matter? Take a look around you.

[@VampireCrusader]

Insainly missed

[@fellsmoke]

Science addresses the physical world... religion is in the realm of metaphysical, "beyond" physical....the realm only reached via speculation...which science such as Cosmology is butting up against