Carli Lloyd: The USWNT's Culture became 'TOXIC' after the 2015 World Cup win | SOTU PODCAST

Carli Lloyd joins the State of the Union podcast to discuss the USWNT’s equal pay settlement with the U.S. Soccer Federation, the current national team roster, and updates us on her retirement. Carli also opened up about the USWNT’s toxic culture and how it ultimately effected the national team’s performance on the field.
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Carli Lloyd: The USWNT's Culture became 'TOXIC' after the 2015 World Cup win | SOTU PODCAST
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[@clevelandbci9562]

The only thing that surprised me is her having the guts to tell it like it is.

[@mkitahara]

...although she didn't have the guts to say it when she was a part of the team.

[@NoGoodNames20]

Didn’t have the guts to name names

[@RightCenterBack321]

@@mkitahara Why would you say something like that while you're playing alongside those very people? It serves no purpose.

[@liamconverse8950]

I don't get why people say they they're entitled to equal pay. If they're so equal then it would just be a co-ed sport. And if that were the case I suspect that none of the female athletes would be able to make the squad.

[@darkfatekod3962]

@@RightCenterBack321 I don't know? TRUTH? What cowards.

[@iamgladiator]

The problem with equal pay sadly is. If I work for a company as a salesman and I bring in 20k but the best salesman brings in 200k. We both are doing the same job but I am bringing in 10% of my co worker. Should we be payed the same salary? I think not.

[@Brendan_Are]

Lloyd was one of my FAV players, on and off the field. Truth miss Lloyd, truth.

[@stephenchu3397]

The coach should kick out all the players who do not respect their country.

[@chadmcclelland5668]

LOVE when she said, I haven’t kicked a ball since my last game, I truly left it ALL on the field for 17 years…❤️

[@carlosvile9832]

yet the commercial, LOL

[@shiwalogo2]

kinda sad

[@angelquizhpe2473]

That’s not good…lol

[@angelquizhpe2473]

That’s not admirable…LOL, that’s laughable

[@user-tn6nl8dd2q]

If you represent the USA , playing soccer and getting paid for it,, you need to respect the flag!!

[@valsyaranamual6853]

Respect your people,your country.The flag wasn't even respected by Trump - hugged and kissed it?That was not respect.Check out how to respect your flag -seen it made into bikinis ,underwear - and you think that is respect???

[@stevecasale6453]

I consider Carli one of the top 3 best US female players which represented the USA with class and professionalism. It's funny watching this interview with Alexi Lalas who did nothing but advocate for less playing time for Carli for the last 4 or 5 years of her career in favor of younger players. However, Carli's resiliency and ability to come up big in crucial matches proved him wrong over and over again making her the top female CLUTCH player this team has ever seen. Good luck to Carli and I hope she is enjoying her retirement!!

[@darkfatekod3962]

And yet she still thinks the women were underpaid, when the opposite is true.

[@carlosvile9832]

Carli Lloyd and Megan Rapinoe are 2 of the greatest players of all time, both on and off the field. We will always remember the 2 of them for what they have done for the community.

[@ebquinn]

Maybe Carli contributed to the toxicity. This is a game played by mere humans after all. I will take the professional yet caring approach of Ertz over Carli's endless whining every day. Toxic indeed.

[@Hengel_Andrews]

Besides the point, but Mary Wambach is the best Center Forward the US has ever produced. It’s really unfair to target the players when these players don’t select themselves for the team. It’s the Federation that keeps picking the best stories instead the of best players. Blame the Federation for also hiring a gutless gruber to be the head coach. Someone needs to explain why the coach isn’t American when America has had the best women’s soccer for 50+ years? Is Rapinoe still good enough to make the team at 38? If she is then that’s an indictment on the Federation for not grooming her replacement 10 years ago!

[@rg1809]

@@Hengel_Andrews Rapinoe, as another commented, is one of the most important players the US has ever produced. Yes, she could still play. Not start, but off the bench.

[@DRex-oj1eh]

Bless this Woman! She was and is the Class of US Soccer.

[@carlosvile9832]

Yes, she and Megan Rapinoe, both. greatest ever

[@benjaminlebron6007]

I have tons of respect for this young lady... I wish you great success and health in all of your future endeavors.

[@psmith669]

Carli is the Goat.

[@bquick6317]

They specifically rejected the mens deal in favor of less risk and more guaranteed benefits... Then after winning realized they could make more under the men's contract. Complained they weren't getting pay and tried to void the agreed contract. Now they split money from the men whilst still having the benefits the men don't... If this isn't sexism against men... I don't know what is. Maybe the men's should have same benefits outta their pockets? No no... That's just crazy.

[@OgburnJim]

So true. They actually lost the court case, but the media continued to ignore the facts and pushed the "pay gap" agenda. So US soccer just caved in. Total disrespect for those players who claimed pay bias.

[@hughgpauwels]

Prophetic words from Carli after the pathetic display I saw in the group stage from this women's team.

[@HunterForsberg]

To have Carli of all people admit this is a complete shocker to me, as she LITERALLY destroyed the Nadeshiko’s defense by herself in 2015 😭

[@richardrogers4187]

" a wonderfur healthy does of perspective " Amen. Thank you Carli!!!❤

[@stran8624]

Love Carli Lloyd and Julie Ertz.

[@user-dq9oi3di9e]

Carli was like the only one who didn't kneel down in olympics

[@Matthew_Ellis]

Just shows that you haven't followed soccer at all. Every soccer player male and female, worldwide, have kneeled before every game to protest racial discrimination, for like three years now.

[@kpNov23]

A few didn't. And guess which teams also didn't sing the anthem. Men's baseball in the world baseball classic, mens basketball, and yes mens national soccer, etc. Hypocrisy.

[@atato1331]

That's why it's called the US national team, to represent your country not yourselves.

[@johndamario2546]

Carli Lloyd was always my favorite behind Wambach/Solo and this just solidifies that 💯

[@tmgco]

Lalas twice mentioned that the announcement by USNWT team meant that the men’s team acceptance of the agreement was a fait accompli. That the women’s team would not have made the announcement if the men’s team had not already accepted the terms. This is an incorrect assumption. The reality is that the announcement was purposefully meant to apply pressure to the men’s team in the court of public opinion. Now, if the men do not negotiate their CBA with the women’s interest in mind, they will be branded misogynistic, sexist, etc….. BTW, what the women are asking the men to do would be like the NBA players pooling their salaries and splitting it 50/50 with the WNBA players.

[@mikefun7482]

Yk the WNBA has never been profitable? Revenue is siphoned from the NBA to fund the WNBA franchises

[@NickM_FirstofHisName]

​@@mikefun7482It's not like USWNT brings in that much either

[@cheenkatatu960]

Top 4 US women's players of all time in my humble opinion - Michelle Akers, Mia Hamm, Abby Wambach, and Carli Llyod

[@johnbacon2784]

Kristine Lilly was better than all 4 of them.

[@stevecasale6453]

Agreed!!!

[@joshr277]

Love Carli ❤

[@FANTOllVll]

Carli is right about the environment surrounding the team but is still dumb for pursuing this “equality” they got paid more than the men’s team, end of story.

[@wheninrome5]

Love you Carli, u speak the truth

[@robtriton]

Lloyd is awesome! Absolutely awesome! We in the the U.S. love her!

[@Ambagaye]

I hate to accept the fact that Carli has really retired. I enjoyed her soccer skills as part of USWNT

[@yossarianmnichols9641]

One of the greatest World Cup finals performance ever by either gender. Don't know the internal politics of the star players but Floyd ranks up there with the best. She put the pizazz in USWNT soccer.

[@darkfatekod3962]

Lloyd not Floyd.

[@yeshuaknoyanot8474]

Floyd did well against Hatton, great KO

[@Cris5631]

@@darkfatekod3962 Does not even know correct name, also must not have seen Ronaldo9 2002 world cup.

[@tetiraelian]

@@Cris5631 These people are crazy. Talking about "World Cup finals performance ever by either gender".

[@Cris5631]

@@tetiraelian Yes i have just recently delved into KZbin comments, I am realising there are a lot of dumb comments.

[@LazarusSlade]

Well, well. How the turntables! This women was right!

[@35t10b]

Alexi the master of monologue questions. You almost forget who the guest was

[@ldd9672]

Well said Carly. 👍

[@el.aye.bee.4477]

Carli gives Hope Solo all this credit for being a "fighter" yet, wasn't Hope Solo the first person to bring toxicity to the locker room after a loss in which she didn't have things go her way?

[@aratneerg3699]

She didn't give her all the credit, she just said that hope fights for what she believes in and doesn't give up. That doesn't mean the other players weren't present in negotiations. Infact, she makes it apparent that Hope is the most extreme, and negotiations work on a majority and a middle ground not on one persons desires.

[@MsRotorwings]

Yes and no. I agreed that Brianna didn’t play well and should’ve been replaced. But the way Hope went about voicing her opinion was divisive. It ended up getting her kicked off the team. And now Hope is an Alcoholic.

[@el.aye.bee.4477]

@@MsRotorwings I disagree. Brianna did not play badly nor did she need to be replaced. The U.S. simply got overrun by Brazil that day and there was nothing that either Brianna or Hope was going to be able to do about it. Hope opened her mouth to talk about what she would and wouldn't have saved...yet she had let in a howler against N. Korea in their first game of the tournament. Make it make sense, Hope.

[@vodkaone1053]

I will never forget that picture of the players kneeling, and there was Carli Lloyd standing. That picture said it all about that young lady.

[@hushg2000]

FOH with your boot licking …. I don’t give a fck about no government military over HUMAN RIGHTS AMD EQUALITY. Continue to be a boot licker and a racist … love Lloyd, but fck her for that

[@ckendall67]

Yeah, that she thought she was 'above' the rest of that team & didn't care at all about injustices in the country whatsoever.

[@richardgrace5043]

@@ckendall67 yeah...right lol... no the rest were just pandering... she actually gave her tike and money to charities and causes the rest just took a knee but never did anything for anyone other than themselves....

[@TTSSYF23]

@@ckendall67 Stop with the faux morality. Much more difficult and honorable to stick to your own beliefs instead of go along with the latest fabricated injustice du jour pose.

[@terrancehall9762]

@@richardgrace5043 wrong

[@thomasdempsey8011]

Top 5 female players of all time the young lady is a class act and a proud American i would love to see her coach this team

[@jeremyweems4916]

Won't happen. She doesn't follow the blue haired agenda.

[@MICHAEL_MAY8]

Translation: Rapinoe's decision to kneel was about one thing: building her brand! The fact it backfired and will cost her millions in lost endorsements is poetic justice. 😂

[@Fifabeast389]

not really, she's doing great

[@aokorodu]

??? Rapinoe is far more popular than Carly lloyd. She's generating much more income. So I'm not sure what you're talking about...

[@blnix8828]

this is laughable...

[@aokorodu]

@Cy Synth since when is peaceful protest "hating america"? Peaceful protest and freedom of expression are the BEDROCK principles of America and democracy. If you don't believe in peaceful protest, then you don't believe in America...

[@MrBallerbjoel]

@@aokorodu if you are representing the US in the olympics or world stage, you don't kneel or disrespect the country I fought for. If you do, you don't deserve to be on the team, period. It's a privilege to represent my country, not a right. That's not peaceful and has no business on the world stage.

[@NoCoastRaps]

"the culture was toxic" aka I don't agree with people kneeling during the anthem, got it.

[@plcmts17]

Apparently the culture was so toxic and players were so focused on their brand that they went out and won another World Cup in 2019. Lloyd grumbled about her lack of playing time during the 2019 WC, but by the time the tournament started Ellis had already made up her mind that Lavelle was going to get those minutes instead. Whatever issues Lloyd has with Ellis, Morgan and especially Rapinoe, the record shows that, toxic culture or not, Ellis's belief in the squad she chose for the 2019 WC was the correct call.

[@richardgrace5043]

The women's world cup is a joke with normally everyone knowing whose going to atleast be in the semi-finals every single year... there is zero competition and up until close to the mid 2000s moat countries didn't have pro-women's teams/leagues so the uswnt were basically going against teams that got together once ever 4yrs and never played much after that (basically you had a proffesional uswnt going against a bunch of part time players) also I really wouldn't bring up the womens 2019 world cup because the uswnt became the laughing stock of the world during that world cup blatantly diving for penalties (their last 3 games in the 2019 world cup they did not score a single open play goal and were flopping in the 18yr box like a,fish out of water trying to draw penalties and the world was laughing)

[@jad7559]

@@richardgrace5043 STFU, sadly you are wrong about a lot lmaoooo

[@coopaloopmex]

@@richardgrace5043 Kristen Press and Rose Lavelle both scored Open Play goals. Press in Semis. Lavelle in Finals. You are spot-on with your points about Ellis already decided Lavelle was going to get minutes, but I think you're off the mark with remembering what happened in the games.

[@landryharrell7]

@@richardgrace5043 You're absolutely wrong about the competition. 2015 and 2019 were extremely competitive, and with the tournament expanding to 32 teams in 2023, it will be even harder to predict the winner. There are 8 teams right now I could definitely see beating the US this year.

[@KazeShikamaru]

@@richardgrace5043 Meanwhile the men can not get out of the QF and you got fans celebrating being mediocre.

[@ericmclean4291]

It's interesting that she said that the team became complacent after the 2015 Word Cup when most people would describe it as the opposite. Jill Ellis started the new culture to bring in fresh talent and pushing out vets that she felt weren't good enough anymore.

[@totalsoccertv5964]

I know who I believe!

[@NFS305]

Jill Ellis is super woke

[@mickpratt8327]

I'll take the opinion of a legend who lived it over your assessment.

[@kpNov23]

​@@NFS305whine some more

[@javiersilva1577]

Obviously she was right . Look at the Tokyo Olympics and this year’s World Cup.

[@alanspeaight3981]

Carli was a great player and scorer of goals and spoke very well. Alexei, if you had Megan Rapinoe on I wonder how that would turn out ? She's not for me but it makes me wonder how you would handle an interview with her.

[@adrianpoesiat]

It was toxic before 2015. At the controversial match in London 2012 semi final versus Canada. Schadenfreude. Karma’s a beacchh

[@MrMikesee]

Carli, you are my Ms Amweica. Thanks.

[@MudPig6110]

Complacency is the killer of champions. The US women's team will make way more than any other team at the past world cup even though they never advanced past their first knockout game. The even split between the men and women's tournament purses is the worst thing that ever happened to them. I'm sure they will be crying all the way to the bank when they get their massive checks thanks to the men's prize pool subsidizing them.

[@japekto2138]

Love Carli's goal when she caught Japan's goalie napping.

[@nguyendanny40]

bravo and thanks to Carli Loyd

[@haimarazy]

It would have been gutsy for her to speak out while she was on the team. Let’s not forget she recanted some of these statements soon after this interview. Still, what a great player she was!

[@inwit451]

She is a class act!

[@anthony7960]

Nice interview. Interesting insight. Very grounded person.

[@fischerfamily4117]

Carli Lloyd quit soccer at the time when the US was dominant and the rest was playing catch up. The way the game is played now is very different from 3 years ago. Look at this WC: Jamaica sends Brazil home, Japan wins over Spain, Colombia beats Germany, South Africa kicks Italy out. European teams have tons of good competitions: Champions League, European Cup. European Leagues are growing and getting better. Not an excuse, but our young players don't get that type of exposure, while young players like Oberdorf, and Walsh get it constantly. That is an advantage for European teams and it shows. Regarding the toxic culture she is referring to, I believe adult women have the ability to compartmentalize and leave their business off the field. Yes, they make commercials, they get endorsements, they find ways to make more money, it is all part of the game. The fight for equal pay was picking during the 2019 world cup and, still, the US was a solid, almost unbeatable team. It was during that time and the 2020 Olympics that Lloyd started to complain about her playing time and started throwing shades at coaches and players alike. She had some weird actions like running after they lost to Sweden and expecting her teammates to do the same. It seems to me she was the "my way or the highway" type of player/person. That conduct is also detrimental to the rest of the group. Her attitude was part of the toxicity she likes to talk about. Also, as far as I know, she didn't say NO when her paycheck came after the equal-pay agreement. Other player's exposure brought her big benefits, and while those players were in courtrooms and offices she was silent. You don't get to enjoy that win and then trash the people who made it possible.

[@andrejamison2723]

Sounds like you have an issue with her and it shows through your bias statement. Yes the game evolved but the US usually do the same. There was a cultural change and a false statement concerning this team. They lied about equal pay when they were getting paid more and morally speaking they placed their personal lives in front of the game. There was terrible leadership and it really showed during the tough time.

[@BobLoblaw23]

Well said!

[@brentj.peterson6070]

Women do not compartmentalize.

[@lightingbolt8148]

Not surprised it became toxic, you can kind of tell it has.

[@MjB12345]

Yeah it’s like if you don’t agree with some of the players then they oust you almost

[@DannyCosmos]

@@MjB12345 when rapinoe started taking a knee their were other players that wanted to do it too like crytal dunn but were intimidated by team mates *cough cough * carli loyd cough cough * not to do so. then carli publicly called out rapinoe and said it was a distraction even tho other teamtes agreed with rapinoe. but carlis old ass pulled rank. and then after george floyd she claimed she was pro anti racism and all that crap. shes full of shit. and hope solo was toxic as hell. they both morons.

[@kirstieb8025]

how?

[@rodmansanchezspirit]

with the younger players it seems to be a lot better now. but it did start to seem like that for a while and it was for sure had an effect on how they were playing

[@efistofelico3270]

Excellent interview Alexis!!❤

[@SUMBUMONE]

Carli is great but short-sighted. Equal pay makes zero sense in sports and entertainment. You don’t have the same “job” as anyone. You should get paid based on what revenue you generate. It’s like saying the best wnba player should be paid the same as Lebron James. Or that the band Nickelback should be paid the same as Taylor Swift. They are all entertainers. The gaslighting on equal pay needs to stop.

[@Arturo-sm1tb]

God, Alexi Lalas is insufferable.

[@IsmokeHiphopLive]

facts

[@johnward8064]

Amen

[@Arturo-sm1tb]

@@johnward8064If you really pay attention to what Lalas says, he never adds a single insight or interesting take. Never. All he does is repeat what is in the news and asks people obvious questions. His entire reputation is based on his wild long hair and going to Serie A in the 90s. Nothing more.

[@laughjunkie3290]

Carli Lloyd helped built the great women's soccer fanbase...and Rapinoe is destroying it!

[@steelcom5976]

Why would you disparage a team that you couldn't score against? Rapinoe did that as well. A player with class is a player who is humble in defeat.

[@charlescampanella5384]

Nothing but respect for Carli for speaking the truth

[@HRPFayetteville]

Yeah because it's cheaper to settle than it is to go around around with these kinds of cases just like he said she said

[@aratneerg3699]

I thought this might happen with women's sports. Where ever there is gold...

[@soccerplyr8]

I have zero pride watching this team

[@boootybounce420]

alexi trying to hide the smirk from knowing he just struck gold with this interview is absolutely priceless lol

[@shawn-zx9xt]

Playing for the flag of your country should never be about the paycheck. This is the flaw of the entire argument that the woman have to rely on the country they play for for a paycheck. What about the olympic athletes that work at homedepot? The men dont rely on the flag to play soccer for money. If it wasnt for nepotism in the sport in this country half the girls wouldnt even be on that team the pool is so deep.

[@gloriathomas3245]

The USWNT needs a reality check and accept the fact that other countries have caught up.

[@Hutchdh]

After the latest women's world cup, the uswnt got paid 7 million after bringing in 3.5 mill in revenue. If we are being fair, isnt the uswnt overpaid?

[@AkonFenty1992]

As a fan of soccer/futbol I support Carli Lloyd.

[@carinsurance241]

*Football

[@AkonFenty1992]

@@carinsurance241 That is the American spelling. I am half Latino so I say "futbol". Futbol is soccer.

[@carinsurance241]

@@AkonFenty1992 football not soccer

[@MrBallerbjoel]

@@carinsurance241 *Soccer.

[@carinsurance241]

@@MrBallerbjoel lmao 🤣

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

One thing she said which is very interesting (and goes unmentioned a lot) is the team's financial success is contingent on winning. One thing the USWNT (and even the Canadian women's national team) could count on was continued success vis-a-vis their male counterparts to the point where the average person could name more female soccer players in either country than the men. In a bittersweet way, that era is, unfortunately, looking to be coming to a close as both the Canadian and American's men's soccer teams field the best teams they've ever had and are hosting the '26 World Cup. At the same time, the rest of the world is getting better at the women's game and so the dominance the U.S. once had is fading (see their failure to qualify for the gold medal game in Tokyo). Unfortunately, for women's sports, people seem to like dominance; the Williams sisters, the hype around Michelle Wie in women's golf, UConn in women's college basketball and, of course, the USWNT. If they can no longer be that, Carli is right, they're going to be in a tougher situation.

[@lightingbolt8148]

Well US is going younger now so we’ll see

[@mosijahi3096]

They also like dominance in mens teams. New England Patriots, Alabama Football team, Chicago Bulls, Mike Tyson, Micheal Phelps. The US still has the largest pool of soccer women players in the world. So that’s not my concern, i agree with her you can’t be complacent, and you still have to work hard as a team. Trust me talent for the women won’t be a problem for years. The problem my be the intangibles, miss managing the team and the women takes their position for granted. Sure they won’t win every World Cup or every gold medal , but they will be in contingent.

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

@@mosijahi3096 I agree dominance in men's sports also helps but people will still watch the Super Bowl and NBA Finals if Tom Brady or LeBron aren't playing. For women's sports, less so.

[@mosijahi3096]

@@kiroolioneaver8532 do you think men would rather watch mens teams sports in general than watch women sports.

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

@@mosijahi3096 Yes but the majority of people who watch women's sports are also men.

[@travis3889]

Love Carli! The National team needs more Carli's & less Rapinoes & Morgans!

[@danr154]

Oh wowwww you mean to tell me the people going around screaming or just being all snide and snarky how toxic everyone else is are actually the toxic ones? What a stunning surprise.

[@stevenhaugland67]

Absolutely a class act.

[@JB-ti7bl]

The men earn more, therefore "equal pay" is a misnomer. This is theft.

[@ShimitBlast]

While their skills at soccer are waning I see their mathematical skills continue to suffer. Right now these "spokespeople" on USWNT must be replaced. I have NO IDEA what Rapinoe was even doing on the 2023 team. She selfishly took a spot that should have gone to a young and upcoming woman. Anyone that watched Rapinoe play (which was few and far between) knows she was god awful. Its time to clean house with the USWNT. They are no longer known for their prowess on the pitch but known for their hysterical drama in the press and frankly it is hurting the next gen. I know I'm not alone is saying I have had my fill of Rapinoe. USWNT = WNBA

[@thomascarey6687]

Inequity? Really? Its women's sport, not a cash generator

[@gregjames9875]

The WNBA and Woman's World Cup team are now both surviving by the support of men.

[@toddw6716]

It’s not equal performance so they don’t deserve equal pay.

[@ElAsopaoDigitalConGury]

Therefore, when we get what we want as a group, we love the benefit. But once I see that I can benefit from an individual level, I feel comfortable separating from the pack and protect the assets that I’m cashing in. Greed is something else.

[@TheOne-xu5oy]

U have to search for these videos, they don’t get recommended. Such is the hypocrisy of social media.

[@orentbergfald962]

Great. 😊😊😊

[@Caysum21345]

She's a great player but she literally complained to Jill's boss because she wasn't getting playing time. She felt entitled to playing time and refused to acknowledge that younger players were simply better than her at 37. She thought it was "toxic" that she was a bench warmer.

[@Matthew_Ellis]

That's what it looked like at the time, and this video appears consistent with that. I don't recall any other player ever publicly complaining about playing time on the National Team. Should have been kicked off for that, IMO. Pretty uncool to trash her formers teammates and coworkers publicly like this too. I have little respect for Carli Lloyd as a person. Great player though.

[@michaelconnor5378]

@@Matthew_Ellisshe had a knack for something very precious in soccer. That being putting the ball in the back of the net. She might have been over thirty but many of the young hotshots on the team could not duplicate her effort!!!

[@hoagied3783]

The uswnt has been lying about what happened since the original bargaining agreement. They were offered the same deal as the men, they rejected it for a different one. At the time they even claimed they won a huge battle for womens rights. Then a couple years later they sued for discrimination. The judge rejected their case because it’s obviously not discrimination if you’re offered the same deal as the men. Public opinion is absolutely not on their side. Anyone who thinks that is in an echochamber. They’re routinely mocked on all neutral social media sites now. It’s not gonna be easy for the new generation because this generation has alienated the country and made them villains. I do like how she’s clearly calling out Rapinoe though.

[@buddditchendorf1847]

Has any player ever come out and say why the WNST rejected the same offer as the men?

[@shitsakrabeen4547]

@@buddditchendorf1847 I just saw an older chat between Carli and Hope, which originally aired on Insta. One of the two stated that Rapinoe insisted they rejected the deal. If true, its poetic justice.

[@ubedet]

This age well. Today

[@zacharydavidvbangura9873]

Why do people act every players are bestfriend, each players have their view on a team, they are intitle to their opinions

[@biagiosancetta8876]

I had read about Carli's "toxic" comments but am glad to actually hear it from her rather than others and their interpretations. I don't personally know any of the players but would just say that a) Carli has been a truly great player b) that she is entitled to her views c) that was only a small part of this interview and d) she and Solo are the only members of the team who have expressed that unhappiness as far as I know. So I am left with the impression that if the climate was "toxic" it was for her and Hope, not the rest. Maybe that impression is wrong, but bottom line I will always root for these women - all of them.

[@robertplant2059]

You don't bring politics and religon into the locker room, just like work, oh wait it is work. It was unfair to bring politics in and these woman had no choice but to ride along. I watched the last cup in Shoreditch england on big screen tvs they set up. Was in Paris at the time of earlier rounds and considered travelling down to scalp tickets. I now root against the team.

[@Matthew_Ellis]

@@robertplant2059 Did you hear Carli say anything about religion or politics? I didn't. What I heard sounded like Carli Lloyd resented other female athletes performing the activities of professional athletes. Could it be that she's resentful that prospects for women athletes financially are on the rise, just after her prime? I can't blame her for that, but what I can blame her for is trashing her former teammates and coworkers with this "toxic" comment. I would say that given this evidence, it is likely that the toxic element was Carli Lloyd. I'll let Hope Solo's public behavior speak for itself.

[@mksmnsays]

It sure seems like she was right based on the garbage performance we’re watching at the World Cup.

[@Matthew_Ellis]

@@mksmnsays No it doesn't. There are numerous other factors at play in a team's performance, not to mention that the tournament is not over.

[@robertplant2059]

@@Matthew_Ellis Where in the history of high level sports is there a rule you need to bring outside issues in the locker room? It is completely the opposite.

[@JT-rx1eo]

"Inequities". Therein lies the fallacy, once again. The "inequities" are a matter of culture and economics as they relate to culture. Not a matter of "fairness" or a violation of equal pay or civil rights law. Mens soccer - most sports in general - simply generates much more interest and money than women's. The only "fair" way to address it is to convince more people to consume your product, like I already do.

[@hengineer]

The real valid inequities I see that should have been rectified is playing pitches, training facilities, travel accomodations, etc...

[@JT-rx1eo]

@@hengineer Yes I agree with those issues. But as we know, they are referring to things far beyond that. "Equal pay for equal work" simply does not apply yet they have been pushing that mantra the entire time. "They" includes the mainstream media.

[@shawngillogly6873]

@@hengineer Yep, those were fair concerns. But the pay issue was a series of moving goalposts. Right up to saying they had the right to equal the pay men's players made from club football. Which the federation has no control over. And given the number of failed womens pro leagues, and the fact the men's game subsidizes the womens club sport globally, isn't even serious.

[@tankie9997]

Perfectly stated. For a much more rational breakdown of the situation watch 'Nate The Lawyers' videos on the subject. The women actually had a better deal than the men, and still pushed for more.

[@andyfletcher3561]

@@tankie9997 I find it disgusting as it was all AFTER the fact. THEY negotiated the contract they wanted. THEY were offered the same exact contract as the men. If there were any "inequities", they are the inequities THEY wanted.

[@anlerden4851]

Carli Lloyd, Alex Morgan and Julie Ertz are an American Legends for me and they are true American Patriots.😊😇🥰🤗

[@carlosreid51]

Only females soccer player I respect as americans

[@navdeepgrewal8112]

And Kelly O'hara. Will never forget when she picked up when another dropped the flag.

[@el8107]

Alex Morgan is woke. FYI

[@danieldeplorable4960]

Alex Morgan is a Leftist. Not a patriot.

[@amandasimons3939]

Says the guy with the profile picture of Trump.

[@jesseemullen]

And part of that culture extends to a lot of the fan base on twitter tbh. Complete mob mentality when someone doesn't agree about a particular player or topic. Obviously there are awesome open minded fans too, who know how to disagree respectfully. But others? Not so much.

[@linnettetuttle7013]

Thanks Carli! I was a huge supporter but have to admit women’s soccer lost our families interest with all the drama.

[@sabrinawilliams8717]

Same. Especially some of the nepotism and how most of the players come from well off families. This sport is not cheap especially when a player reaches the travel, ODP, national youth, senior and elite levels/teams.

[@springking7370]

Of course, Heath, Press, Morgan, Ertz will be back in the mix. Vlatko is auditioning players...not necessarily transition. Playing Sweden, England, France, Germany would be completely different. And Vlatko didn't get everyone quality chances. Cook, Macario, Smith, Davidson, Sullivan all started in each game. Hatch should have gotten more time. I don't byy the "toxic" culture, especially coming from someone who will complain about not starting...having to split time with Morgan. The things that made the team succesful was in place in 2019 in the WWC....Lloyd got spotlight , endorsements, brand... Heath and Press was not what she describes. They didn't get complacement. I am sorry. I don't buy have of this. Maybe the Olympics represented some coaching issues, some lineup issues, etc.. But i don't buy most of this. Toxic is also harsh

[@SB-xw2pr]

CRY baby trying to get attention now that she's off the team. NO ONE complained more about playing time than Lloyd.

[@MrEdwar084]

@@SB-xw2pr I believe her, what Solo says is another story and they also belong to the last generation that faced little opposition, whenever you have a word "competition" where only about 3 or 4 teams can actually compete vs one another is obviously an advantage for the few.

[@robynbennett2781]

Does she even go to the USWNT games anymore?

[@Dave-zp3cl]

So the fact that they just "get" the money even though they don't bring in the audience is a good thing? The CBA made it so the women GOT paid no matter what, and they GOT benefits no matter what. It's cool you win, but when you don't bring in the amount you want to get paid.....sorry. You either get guaranteed benefits or get paid to play. You can't have both.

[@zyxlsy]

Didn’t we know now that the female team chose the path of more certainty with guaranteed benefits, over higher pay per game in their collective deal??? It’s like after winning a lottery, you cannot choose monthly payments and lump sum payment at the same time.

[@graymatters7584]

A little success often has a corrosive and dementing affect on people, and convinces them that they’re right about everything.

[@tmmyjay]

If you want equal pay, then show your worth. America does NOT need you you need us.

[@beaudure01]

Worth noting - the women wanted to give their lawyers nearly $8m, but Hope Solo successfully objected. Lawyers who … lost the case in court.

[@superfly19751]

Love her and Mia Hamm

[@classicsportsgames]

She dodged the question pretty well, but the Hope Solo comments are clearly a sore subject. I don’t understand why Hope would undermine and trivialize the efforts of her peers like that.

[@carolinalink7040]

Carli said that after 2015, the endorsements started coming in. And players started to think about, "how can I get an endorsement, build my brand?" and you know what, I get it. Those endorsements were probably worth as much as their paychecks, maybe more. And these players are not paid 10s of millions of dollars like the men. So for some of them, they started to focus more on that stuff. I think the same thing started happening this past season with FC Barcelona femení. After winning the treble in 2020-21, the amount of attention on them was insane, and the endorsements started flowing in. In 2021-22, you could tell players were trying to stand out individually more, also players were getting some endorsements here and there. For me personally, I thought it was a little sad. Barca's game is based on connection and sharing, and I felt that some of that went out the window with this new culture. In the end, they didn't end up winning the treble in 2021-22, and I don't know, but maybe part of that was because they moved away from what made their game magical.

[@el.aye.bee.4477]

Well, they went on to go just one game short of being undefeated last season and win the Women's Champions League again for their second title out of three straight appearances in the final. They also had a mind-boggling +108 goal difference in the league, having scored 118 goals while conceding only 10 in a 30-game season. That sort of dominance is to be enjoyed and celebrated, rather than be complained about because of not winning a treble. Same goes with the USWNT. They have been dominant for so long, when most other countries were not investing in women's soccer like the Unites States had been, yet all people can do is cry and complain as it becomes evident that the rest of the world is slowly catching up the USWNT and that they aren't always going to be as dominant as they once were.

[@bls8959]

If u dont draw big money then you don't deserve to be paid big money...

[@el.aye.bee.4477]

@@bls8959 and there's THAT!

[@valsyaranamual6853]

Women should get the same.Watching the games in Australia shows that they can draw the crowds as good as the men!

[@kpNov23]

​@bls8959 but it's the Olympics, representing the USA, where they certainly did more than the men worldwide.

[@stevenorthwick2480]

This is fascinating, I didn't realise she was saying this a year ago. So although I have some doubts about all the anti-"woke" (hate the word and will only use it in quotes.......) comments, the fact she's been saying this for some time gives her views credibility.

[@MikeDillinger]

"This game is evolving so fast on the women's side" - - Fast forward to World Cup 2023.

[@BillinSD]

Watching to see when the first Lia Thomas joins the team, this drama will be quickly forgotten

[@ironmantran]

Equal pay : great, now FIFA games are just a "job", MEN US can play (down) at same level as Women US, age 14 boys - or retired Men . . .

[@gmr7494]

Rapinoe was the reason....she's an incredible narcissist

[@KhalilKhan-jj4yx]

Remember when "Telling it Like it Is" was the American Way. Had to overcome something before u got the reward. 🇺🇸

[@ToyVt]

mallory swanson injury was a huge blow to the womens worldcup dreams for 2023.

[@QuanTran-hk4uu]

I wish one day carli Lloyd be uswnt coach .

[@londonwerewolves]

3:11 She says the quiet part out loud. Comparing the women's national team to multi-BILLION dollar professional leagues is delusional.

[@cayennepeppa707]

yup. Before they become that billion dollar mega, I think they still have to beat the 15-year old boys.

[@cristobal.palmero4919]

@@cayennepeppa707 wait till they get trans gender plays in the team

[@cayennepeppa707]

@@cristobal.palmero4919 Yes. It would be sad that to get more parity with the men, that they would need trans women to play on the women's team.

[@cristobal.palmero4919]

@@cayennepeppa707 but nobody is going to watch men play as women. Sport is entertainment. The men make more money than women in soccer. It is just an economic reality. Some women can't compute this.

[@cayennepeppa707]

@@cristobal.palmero4919 Hi Cristobal. Yes, I 100% agree. Why should the women get the same amount as the league that is tougher, faster, and has a higher skill level? No. It makes no sense. They are trying to make equality/ parity arguments where there is none.

[@r.vandervaal5642]

Carli da 🐐 no 🧢