Carnage - Dad's Ute Goes For 12's... and Fails!

[@paulcoote3094]

Even a bad day at the track is a good day in my opinion. Great to see Calder Park operating again.

[@madvids100]

Chuck a holley on it, always had issues with the edelbrock, also if you have clearance add a plastic carb spacer it made a huge difference to my fueling issues too the carb was always cool to touch. And check your fuel pressure, good luck Scotty!

[@derranged28]

Of all the cars you have, this one does the nicest burnouts.

[@boostedperformance4529]

check the float level? maybe off the line it's dumping fuel from the vents and killing the power. could be a lot of different things. you'll figure it out you know what you're doing. love the channel from over here in America

[@Beer_Dad1975]

That's what I was thinking, really hard to tell from watching a video and Scotty knows the car best of course, but it kinda seemed it might be more like G-force related than vapor lock - but then he said it was stalling out right after the burnout so maybe not. Dyno of course won't pick up such issues as no G-forces.

[@swatmann7541]

Yeah total float issues

[@backshed5295]

100%

[@backshed5295]

Lower the front float and add a slosh tube the the vent tubes and game on

[@nathanfarrell1116]

Fingers are crossed to get er back up again scotty! Dads ute is definitely my personal favourite in carnages fleet

[@dinosshed]

Highly recommend filming into the carb during a launch, you'll be amazed by just how fucked it is. The summary at the end was a throwback to Scotty's Garage, love it.

[@hayden6056]

Totally respect the staying carb it is dad's ute. I'd be looking at a wideband in the cab and a crane/fast hi6-r ignition . The multi spark keeps plugs bloody clean on the street so can have a nice fat tune for wot without having to worry about it fouling them coming in to the box.

[@AtreidaeChibiko]

Nothing is more frustrating than making a change to improve performance only to chase squirrels in unrelated stuff like this. Best of luck Scotty

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Chasing squirrels, I like it

[@finlay230]

love dads UTE, just seems to be able to put a smile on my face everytime i see it featured, good all rounder !

[@CS-id8fq]

Just purchased a project ve sedan and all these videos of your dads ute is a God send for me such a great resource for hobbyists that are learning as they go.

[@Rol.Daley.]

that face after collecting 3rd slip ,thanks for the laugh ,carnage ,heres a beer ,cheers

[@gassit137]

You're onto it Scotty, its heat soak & vapor lock, but it's not flooding, its lean. A nylon inch spacer block should solve the problem.....insulating the fuel hose from pump to carb can never be a bad thing either.....good luck man

[@STREETMACHINETV]

If it was that lean it would backfire

[@gassit137]

@@STREETMACHINETV Nah, it would if it was drowning itself, the manifold would be full of fuel & that would cause a backfire, also it would be huffing a cloud of black smoke from the exhaust as it cleared. I think what's happening is the heat in engine bay/carb/manifold/fuel lines is actually evaporating the fuel & pump is struggling to keep bowls full, it actually running out of fuel, that's again why it lays over again in top gear at 1000ft. You will be surprised how much heat the nylon spacer will keep out of the carb...it will increase plenum volume which is a good thing too..

[@chrispudd1815]

Ack in the early 90’s my older brother ran a 318 in a vk charger, bored and stroked with as I can remember the works with cam, solid yellow terra roller rockers, edlbrock high rises manifold and not sure of the extractors. I know he had a high volume oil pump and a 750 Holley 4 barrel double pumper from memory. It would run around a low to flat 12’s. Although a few years later after blowing the 318 due to lack of oil pressure, he did somehow buy a 265 hemi that was from an ex chaser numbers matching. I can’t remember the work he did on this 6 but he ended up using another 4 barrel Holley, not sure the size but it also ran in the low 12’s. Either engine never blew a diff or gear box. He had a bougwarner I’d that’s how it’s spelt. With a shift kit. It was nice and on the back of the chargers you could comfortably fit a 60/265 and 50/245 and looked slick. My fav car shape of all time even tho I loved the dukes charger. The Aussie charger was light in the rear end tho due to it being short and the front significant longer

[@b_for_brett]

Regardless of how she’s performing she sounds wicked!

[@danozism]

Haven't seen behind the walls of Calder for years! Great to see. Such a shame about the beautiful ute. It's obviously got the power, just not when you want it! Best of luck next time Scotty "-)

[@jamesforge8107]

17 seconds? That's approaching stock 160HP Slant 6 times :-). Sorry I couldn't resist that one. Hopefully it is a nice simple fuel cooling problem and you will have it sorted properly and soon. I'm glad you are honest enough to show the not so good rather than editing it out and just showing the good. Makes us all feel better about our trials and challenges.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Yeah it was a bit sad. Watch tomorrow's episode

[@davidthompson245]

Your a patient man Scotty!!, I would have gone home and thrown that squirter in the bin and gone holley. That's just me though!.

[@andyjames2082]

Springs in the dizzy brings back at lot of memories !

[@madtlrmat]

Hey mate, tough luck out there bud. I notice there is not one thumbs down for the video though. Even on a tough night, we all still love the content. Thanks for sharing as always, even the "not so good" times. Dad's ute will be back faster and stronger man. Great stuff.

[@mawe42]

Nothing a Haltech won't fix! :)

[@johnkirkilis34]

Luv your dad's ute Scotty does great burnouts. The art of drag racing, you never know whats going to happen.

[@cottonhiker]

I’m LOVING all this stuff!?🙏👍🏻👏

[@shaunpc2512]

Good evening Scotty from blustery England on this wonderful winter’s evening

[@edenhopkins9137]

Hope you solve the start line bog Scotty . Dad's Ute certainly has the potential !!

[@76charger63]

Chin up dude, still great to see your old mans Val flying down the strip!

[@OVERKILL_EVERYTHING]

A Holley Sniper Stealth EFI carby would help you keep the old school look, if only Holley had a spare one laying around that they could donate to you. The ute looks great Scotty 👌🏻

[@tongoio]

Awesome car Scotty and great video.. You've inspired me now to go down to ALDI and buy that FEREX PRO cordless power tool set

[@terjejohnsen3651]

The sound of that Ute is Just awsom.

[@robbollom7396]

yes bloke, try carby spacer, maybe heat shield...check fuel lines and filter? maybe bigger fuel line and fuel pump? and check needle and seat?..good luck Scotty

[@greggee5695]

Scotty it sounds like it's leaning out, not flooding.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Definitely flooding, they tend to backfire when they lean out

[@petewielsma423]

Uncle Tony KZbin channel spoke about this , there’s a water gallery beneath the intake that they’d weld closed back in the good ol days , preventing heat under the carburettor . Not sure what intake you’re running but just a thought , loving Dads VE , runs strong and tidy 👍🍻

[@STREETMACHINETV]

It's alloy heads and intake so that gallery doesn't exist on this

[@rcwp8110]

Too cool to get upset , love dads u it's an old gem

[@STREETMACHINETV]

That's how racing goes, some days are some are not so good

[@rcwp8110]

@STREETMACHINETV yeah u will sort it that's one thing I'm sure of ,merry Xmas

[@DukeOfTwist]

Twilight Drags on Boxing Day at Heathcote Park Raceway - I see another witching hour PB pass in your future before the calendar quits on 2022 ;-)

[@zolkoz4209]

Hey Scotty. I reckon try and sort it out with the Edelbrock but would also be awesome to see a comparison with say a holley 650 double pumper or a 600 vac sec and see the difference? Sucks about the night but at least it's more to look forward to 👍

[@LRogan520]

You just don't need the hassle cheez, on different not happy Christmas Scotty look forward to next year's eppies.

[@seanb250]

I would say it’s a fuel delivery issue that may include heat, it dies after the burnout so it’s not G forces, it could potentially be an issue with the needle and seat sticking when heat gets into the carb body.

[@GenerationGap69]

A bloke told me he was having the same issues in his Chevy and the phenolic spacer solved the problem of heat soak. Hopefully, it helps enough to get the ute to the 12s. I do believe in the power of the shifter (adjustable) and it didn't make an appearance in this episode maybe that's your problem right there? Cue the twilight zone/X-files music

[@brad.979.]

carbies look great, but maybe a modern fuel system fitted to that retro monster

[@jc7654]

scotty i had a v8 that would foul the plugs and start playing up , it would run fantastic for a while with new plugs and then go to crap. had to reduce the power valve size and adjust the size of the main jet to get it to behave and stop bogging and flooding. maybe look at the plugs and see if they still look good. it can be very a annoying problem to get sorted out, the carby that you are using is different from what i had , hopefully it won't annoy you to much getting it fixed . you might have to put it on a rolling dino so you can see what the air fuel is doing at different revs under load just to get the carby setup sorted.

[@dvorcemkrmotorsports8835]

Ever thought of putting a large spacer under the Shifter so you don't have to lean over yo charge gears? Have you got another bonnet for Alex's ute?? Maybe get 1 & put a scoop on it & lift the Carbi up a few inches.

[@mahcooharper9577]

Jeez it sounds tasty tho, even if it was acting up.

[@GG-rj4oj]

Hi Scotty, i would like to share what solved my avs carb bogging problem. Firstly i moved the acc pump lever to the bottom hole , its the leanest. This improved things slightly. Then i adjusted the secondary trap door. Prob not called that, but the top butterfly thing. There is a torx bit lock nut you need to loosen whilst using a flat screwdriver to hold the spring pressure on the trap door. By loosing this you allow more air into the carb earlier. There is no secondary acc pump, this is how you adjust the secondary tip in. I used a afr gauge to set it , just back it off a 1/4 turn at a time. I had exactly the same prob you are having. Good luck mate, thanks for the content throught the year. Reach out if you still have problems. George

[@Tk-ou9ec]

Had similar issues with my edelbrock too! Bog gone now. The biggest impact for me came once I changed diff ratios to 3:55

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Thanks for the tip

[@SuperTambo69]

Not sure it is heat soak Scotty. A carb should not be doing that just from heat soak alone. Yes, heat soak can affect it, but not that much. Phenolic spacer wont hurt so worth a shot, but reckon its carb (float?) or fuel delivery set-up related. Could even be fuel surge? - rig up a fuel pressure gauge to measure at launch

[@STREETMACHINETV]

It's possible that it could be something else but given that the basic combo is unchanged and this is the first time it's hard to sit in really long staging lanes, I think heat has something to do with it.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

I don't think it is heat related in the slightest. It has all the hallmarks of float level that is too high, or something stuck. It is clearly after a big rev bogging down, like the fuel bowl is getting over full. Think I would be looking over the fuel system before I did anything.

[@JossRickard]

Hey mate, seems like it's fuel coming through the vent tube and dumping into the carb. Lower the float level a tad and see if it makes a difference. The extra grip from the burnout is probably giving you a hard enough launch for some good old fuel slosh

[@1959fcss]

Had a similar problem myself, it turned out to be the float sinking under acceleration.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

Many moons ago I had a Torana that I built a 202, balanced, ported, triple Webbers for (I'm an automotive machinist so had access to all the gear to do things properly.) I had a Mallory twin point distributor and changed advance springs many times and I personally didn't notice the difference (I never ran over a quarter mile so don't have figures, just how it felt.) Did you notice a difference that you could perceive without a stopwatch? Happy New Year by the way, all the best for 2023.

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

Do you just love comments without reading them? It might help the algorithm, but so would engaging with your followers.

[@Low760]

It's good at least you only had to drive to Calder again to do that and not the very long trip to Heathcote. Even if it only looks like they updated the track and nothing else!

[@paullutherborrow637]

Sounds like fuel starvation to me ! Need to be able to watch your fuel pressure on the hit

[@terrytzones1215]

Morning Scotty loved it keep up the good work mate👍

[@Tk-ou9ec]

I hate to admit this but on my mild 318 running an edelbrock carb,I also had many issues with bog in mine also. Mine was also the AVS style carb. I should have bought the performer model instead. My mate had lots of bog issues with his 650 edelbrock. He got sick of it and changed over to Holley. It seems to be that edelbrock carbs just don’t like extreme driving,heavy throttle stuff whereas Holley are more at home on drag strips! I’ve stuck with my edelbrock but for the most part mines just a street driver so it behaves okay. I changed my diff ratio to 3:55 and this helped the bog situation quite a bit.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Good point

[@lt1racing]

With the harder launch, looks like fuel is sloshing away from pick up. Add 3 or 4 gallons and see if it helps? Or add a pick up extension.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Full tank, and fuel slosh would be later in the run if it was happening

[@lt1racing]

I'm betting on fuel delivery issue. It didnt do it when it isn't under a load in burnout box. Had a similar issue yrs ago. Hope you get it straightened out. I want to see it run the numbers

[@EricaMTB]

Could be a float level or fuel pump issue.

[@danozism]

That was my first thought too. Float level maybe?

[@The_Performance_Laboratory]

The Drag Race Gods giveth, and they taketh away...

[@someyoungguy6990]

Scotty, you dad is probably looking down and laughing because he knows exactly what you are going through! And I bet money like any dad he's saying "come on son, you can do this" either way mate I know you will figure it out. I was wondering if you could get a crap bonnet and hack some "race" vents into it for airflow (remember rust is lighter than carbon fiber) or a fiberglass one from flea bay maybe. Do you think clean air is part of the problem?

[@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck]

That is enough to drive a man to drink 🤣👍🍻 you could go Cleetus spec ?? But don't think its a thing here in Straya is it??

[@thepieguy4522]

Holley sniper for the win

[@gogetem188]

Scottie give us an update on the track plz at the end of the day its not a race car ???

[@mg74xbgt]

Got any connections for getting your extractors ceramic coated inside/outside ?? Could help you heaps with engine bay temps.

[@johnsbackwithcommonsense7628]

Aerodynamics are at fault here😂

[@ScottCampbell-fx1ic]

Gday Scotty. My two cents is...Do you think you may be uncovering the jets in the fuel bowl now you have created extra G Forces from the 3000rpm stall?

[@batmanlives6456]

The new fuel does seem to be affected more by heatsoak Try a spacer I have always sworn by them !

[@killawattautoelecandsound8683]

Feels like its running out of fuel in the bowl. and it can only run what the pump can deliver after that?

[@skymit5519]

I was scrolling through the comments looking for a comment like this. This is way more likely than heat soak or flooding. From my experience, I would say Scotty has a lean issue. Not a rich mixture. Rich mixture rarely cause misfires, and I saw no black smoke when he was taking off. How can you blame heat soak and flooding at the same time? They seem like they would cause opposite issues to me. I would be looking at , fuel filter, tank pick up for blockages and float level is high enough. I don’t know edelbrocks very well, but could the secondary’s be opening to soon and causing the bogging(ie lean out)??

[@vigilante351]

Seems like a carb / fuel delivery issue. Have to see what the pressure is at the carb, and if the accel pump is doing its job, cos its also not liking top end fuel delivery from the sounds of it??

[@mopargrub4448]

Edelbrock Carbys are renowned for bogging down at first full throttle after sitting for a while!

[@Tk-ou9ec]

This is true! I own a cm Chrysler with a mild 318 and I’m running a 500 avs edelbrock carb. Mine used to have an awful bog at full throttle and when smashing it from take off. I eventually had it professionally tuned which got rid of most of the bog. The rest of my bog was eliminated once I changed the diff ratio to 3:55 from 2:92. Big difference.

[@leighwhite3873]

Hi Scott love this series. One question i have is did you keep the drivers side brace from 318 to trans? Not much room with pacemakers and remote oil lines

[@STREETMACHINETV]

No I didn't

[@leighwhite3873]

@STREETMACHINETV thanks. Your series is my go to for my build. I have the full set of raceworks hoses and have even made a Hare and forbes portable work bench with vice just like yours 👍

[@skymit5519]

It’s a lean issue, not flooding. Either you fuel pump isn’t keeping up, filter or pickup is blocked. Float level is to low, or secondary’s are opening to early making it super lean. Heat soak and flooding are opposite issues. I think heat soak would make it lean. I don’t think it’s heat soak

[@STREETMACHINETV]

If it was lean it would backfire

[@skymit5519]

@@STREETMACHINETV Maybe. Not necessarily

[@skymit5519]

I can’t wait to say I told you so. But I will eat humble pie if I’m wrong😅. Good luck. Looking forward to the next episode

[@callanbice4485]

Bro i completely forgot about the Count hahahahaha

[@zappia08]

Good luck mate enjoy.

[@jimclarke1108]

Carb. and dissy, i reckon Scotty😵‍💫

[@ChristopherHallett]

Yep, both things belong in the bin.

[@G6E666]

Link the breathers on the carby with a line with a hole at the middle it’ll stop that flooding problem

[@dipstiksubaru3246]

You can literally hear it pinging. Get a phenolic carb spacer and a proper zinc holley

[@jamiegreenwood7996]

what brand of carby are u running on it scotty ? holley carbys have only worked for me in the past had some good results with the street performer 670 vacc secs on 351s ect straight out of the box revs keep comming good Touque low down

[@kylebutler7142]

Edelbrock AVS style carb. The AVS is an acronym for Air Valve Secondary, which is Edelbrock's line of entry-level carburetors intended for mild street engines.

[@davydoo81]

Could fuel vapourisation, where does the line run from the pump to the carb?

[@chrispudd1815]

What carby have you got running on it Scotty? I had a vh commodore with a 355 stroker. It also had a 750 Holley but use to pre ignite when turning it off. So I swapped for a Rochester which was a massive mistake because we could never figure out the right needle size and it use to bog down off the line but it was like it hit a power band after that which is like what’s happening here. I went back to the big Holley and had instant power the whole way through and I ended up installing a tap under the drivers door and I’d turn it off and let the car run out of fuel so no more pre ignition. Btw, did you see Leroy run early our time this morning? I’ve noticed you commenting there lately but he dropped it about 2am our time

[@kylebutler7142]

Edelbrock AVS style carb. The AVS is an acronym for Air Valve Secondary, which is Edelbrock's line of entry-level carburetors intended for mild street engines.

[@brentonk461]

1.46' sixty foot, Holley #3310 750 vac secondary.

[@hairymongrell]

how much fuel is in the tank ? its running out of fuel not flooding as it done the same thing mid run, what pump are you running ? i hated my edelbrock carby with a passion, my clevo ran so much better with a holley and cold started so easy. just my 2c keep at it scotty!

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Full tank of fuel

[@ryanherbert9167]

Mopar or no car am I right not what you wanted but on to fix it and next time runs 12s for sure!!

[@typedrew]

Should have just yanked the hood off. But I really doubt it was heat soak. Something wrong with the carb

[@johnrebelos2221]

Scotty SMASH!!! bad luck mate.

[@tony66au]

Holley Sniper bolt on........ Juuuust sayin :-) You know you wanna

[@anthonywhelan8373]

Lol your old boy doesn’t like you taking it to the drags

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

Look at your filters an wash them out an clean carb out an give her more fuel to help with the cooling...

[@ARROWS00]

At least this video is not about a Barra😊

[@Turbovpv6]

I could not hook up at all that day (in the red vp turbo)

[@robwhite240z]

You should have borrowed a dirty old holley off someone at the track because you have to be at the start line to test.

[@adamashby6356]

Stage fright, Scotty

[@wesgates5632]

It's almost like those EFI guys are onto something....naaaa carbs FTW.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

EFI is great when it's set up by an expert, carby is fine for most applications, we just need a little more set up on this

[@johnsbackwithcommonsense7628]

Other than frustrating it's a couple of hours of fun out there.

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Very true, a bad day racing is still better than most things

[@danozism]

@@STREETMACHINETV Damn right! A chance to forget about all the BS in life for a while... and just drive fast! "-)

[@rockbiterhd]

Going to have to put a Holley on it

[@TaunusMicha]

Are you shure it's a heat problem? For me it sounded like she's not getting enough fuel. Maybe the pump is dying or some dirt in the tank?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Definitely a heat issue

[@ChristopherHallett]

What you need to do is ditch the 318 and fit a short-stroked alloy big block with EFI ITBs and long-runner tuned length extractors that revs to 8000+ rpm. 650+ wheel horsepower and the sound of the gods echoing across Victoria. A World Industries (Bill Mitchell) hemi alloy block in 4.490 inch bore with a SCAT 4340 3.75 inch stroke crank will displace 475 cubic inches. You'd need good quality lightweight forged chromoly rods to rev it that hard with any reliability but there are plenty of RB and 2JZ stroker engines with 94mm stroke lengths being revved to 10,000 at the strip without grenading, so 8,000 should be possible in this case with a good balance job on the rotating assembly. Of course, I'm talking about $15k minimum before you've even slotted a cam into the short block at this point, so this motor would end up being worth more than all the cars in the Carnage fleet put together, but holy FUCK imagine the noise!

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Well none of that is going to happen

[@chrisgregory4796]

Turn it up!! that'd take Scotty all weekend to get that much work done. He's a busy man.

[@ChristopherHallett]

@@STREETMACHINETV 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@gregmyatt9932]

Holley injection? Is it any good though?

[@samperras]

Sniper baby

[@michaelb5330]

Great episode dispite the issues keep trying Maybe time to go efi ?

[@STREETMACHINETV]

Nah, dad wouldn't have wanted to go EFI

[@kattanablade]

seems to me to be a fuel pressure issue. or a blockage in the line somewere or bad fuel pump.

[@bryceybigcashews5888]

Question is… what did the turbo v6 run? 😝

[@69MazdaR100]

Have a chat to Mark from Gasoline Automotive, he’s very knowledgeable with carbs as is only around the corner from your workshop

[@jeffheath4435]

1320 curse!

[@JayGuitars1]

I reckon that’s heat soak mate( you said it as I was typing, how’s that?)