Carnivore Doctors Battle [Is Fruit & Honey Carnivore?] Paul Saladino

In this extended, respectful discussion, Dr Paul Saladino & Dr Ken Berry discuss the Carnivore Diet and whether fruit & honey fit into a carnivore diet. Dr Saladino & I agree that meat/eggs should make up the majority of a Proper Human Diet, but we disagree on a few of the details...
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[@Tonaka656]

7 years carnivore, and the very first thing I cut out was the fruit, and immediately I started to feel better. Sugar was next and then veg. At each stage I felt better. I just did it slowly and methodically until the only thing I was left eating was meat and fat. At the start I had 20 ailments, some very debilitating. 3 were lifelong progressive according to the specialist at the hospital. All of them are now resolved and my blood pressure is optimal, and I am on zero meds at the age of 65. I accidentally became carnivore and am in the best health of my life. We have been lied to all our lives folks.

[@Beef_it_to_be_fit]

I just went to the ER for an infection. They did blood work on me. I am a still little heavy still so the doctor was shocked at how good my blood work and blood pressure was. I told her I eat 10 grams of carbs a day and all of those from live fermented veg, and all other calories from meat and mostly fat. The look on her face was priceless.

[@JenniferoftheSea]

Lol. This is great. 😊

[@Rachidasister]

😍

[@JarinXeno]

Western doctors are so clueless on nutrition it's scary. They are only trained to prescribe drugs. When I went to a doctor for psoriasis years ago the "specialist" had no idea that too much sugar in your diet causes inflammation. She was quick to prescribe a cream though.

[@ebuka212]

you won't have an infection if you're not eating carbs

[@Beef_it_to_be_fit]

@@ebuka212 Both wrong and stupid.

[@matbrewer9799]

Always was told, "Eat your vegetables". Never wanted them. Always craved meat. Especially beef.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

I like both but prefer meat, eggs and cheese over plants.

[@Magneticlaw]

And why dont the parents ever eat THEIR veggies?

[@nealboswell8786]

There it is.

[@thelostcreole]

We live in Ecuador 30 miles from the Equator and follow a high meat, egg, cheee and fruit diet all from our farm. I am 60 have never been healthier

[@tyty0071]

My opinion is fruit and honey are fine in moderation because they are processed through the system much faster than refined and synthetic sweeteners. Honey is very good for the body and don't forget animals love them too.

[@M.Sforza]

@@tyty0071THANK YOU for sharing that! I have had to add fruit back into my diet and some raw honey.

[@maidmarymoo]

One thing not mentioned in this video is mitochondria health. Paul's habit of being in water and sun and also barefoot for several hours everyday is incredibly beneficial for the mitochondria. Compare that to your average human spending most of their day in shoes (no grounding) and under artificial lighting all day. I think this is another factor in the whole discussion.

[@TheTylerGeissler]

Go back to 49:02 .

[@NanaRides]

@@TheTylerGeissler just because he says the word mitochondria does not mean they discussed the things she mentioned, lol.

[@dehavenmoor9634]

yep yep

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

Yes. This discussion shouldn’t be about food, it should actually be about adopting an “ancestral lifestyle”. We aren’t just adapted for certain foods, we are adapted for a particular set of life ways. Things like outdoors, barefoot, 12,000-16,000 steps per day, and surrounded by a community that functions like a “tribe”. The closer we can get to that the healthier we will be. Food is an important part of it, but only part.

[@PeCo333]

​@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 Agreed

[@sheisea]

I'm a 61yo female who has maintained 99.5% carnivore diet (no honey or fruit) for 3 1/2 years. My most recent blood work revealed fasting insulin level of 2.0 uIU/mL, HbA1C of 4.8%, LDL of 278 mg/dL, Triglycerides of 45 mg/dL, and HDL of 88 mg/dL. Of course, my doctors are very concerned about my elevated LDL. I'm not worried about it at all!

[@T-aka-T]

Yup. Good job, fantastic.

[@palimpsestransparent]

So many people cave in to the LDL fearmongering. Good that you know not to worry. Your numbers look great.

[@lloydhlavac6807]

Yes, triglycerides and HDL great numbers! 👍

[@seniorbob2180]

Ya, if there's no glucose in the blood to interact with the LDL then there's no problem with it, at least that's what I've learned thus far.

[@nonmetateams4278]

Grats!, The only doctors now i trust are Ken Berry, Paul Mason and Anthony chaffee, all the doctors i saw in my life were leading me to a premature death.

[@kathrynstafford7099]

Im a 60 year old nurse, I work 4-10 hour workday. I started this carnivore journey almost a week ago. I have noticed a loss of cravings, I can walk past breads, donuts, cookies brownies and not want it and that is a big change for me. I have a weightloss of 3.5 lbs, not hungry like I use to be. I don't have GERD in the morning and don't need a Pepcid anymore. Bowel movements are every other day instead of daily and not as much. No more uncomfortable bloated feeling in abdomen. I hope i can maintain it. I think it is good for me. One thing is good for me is I love animal fat. I always felt guilty loving the beef fat on a steak.

[@khrystalkhoury62]

Appreciate our nurses!🌸 I'm 63 morbidly obese female, now 3 weeks in carnivore. You're right about cravings. I've read HUNDREDS of comments on Berry's videos about this and innumerable, unbelievable life changes. I ALWAYS stop at fast food and/or the bakery on my way home. Last 2 times I was there, I passed rt by. Just no desire. Surprised myself!

[@anonymous-cx7ng]

Sounds like you love food too much

[@andycristiana1043]

I'll be 49 soon and premenopausal. I relate with your comment tremendously. From the cravings to the bm and other things that have gotten better on carnivore. 😊

[@ebuka212]

@@khrystalkhoury62 remember ppl fall off carnivore when they don't take enough fat. When you start out on carnivore, you have enough fat for your body to burn thro. When your body has burned thro this fat, you must take in enough fat otherwise you fall off. You're replacing carbs with fat, not protein - that's the idea. If you eat 8 eggs fried in an excessive amount of tallow everyday, and dousing your meats in excessive amounts of butter; if you're eating butter, drinking ghee everyday; you'll do well on carnivore. It's a fat diet, not a meat diet

[@ebuka212]

remember ppl fall off carnivore when they don't take enough fat. When you start out on carnivore, you have enough fat for your body to burn thro. When your body has burned thro this fat, you must take in enough fat otherwise you fall off. You're replacing carbs with fat, not protein - that's the idea. If you eat 8 eggs fried in an excessive amount of tallow everyday, and dousing your meats in excessive amounts of butter; if you're eating butter, drinking ghee everyday; you'll do well on carnivore. It's a fat diet, not a meat diet

[@lilytea3]

0:52: 🥩 Dr. Ken Barry follows a carnivore diet, consisting mainly of meat and eggs, with occasional seafood and pork. 9:28: 📊 Optimal human health requires maintaining five key markers in the sweet spot, not just within normal range. 18:31: 🥦 The video discusses the failure of traditional diets based on the premise of eating less and moving more, and highlights the success of the keto and carnivore diets in activating satiety hormones and promoting weight loss. 27:35: 🥑 Avoid consuming plant seed oils for health optimization and longevity. 37:11: 🥦 The speaker discusses the potential health effects of consuming a high fructose diet and the benefits of a paleo diet. 1:22:30: 🍯 The speaker discusses a study on the metabolic effects of consuming honey, sucrose, and high fructose corn syrup. 46:18: 🤔 The speaker is in awe of the complexity of the human species but also frustrated by people who neglect their health. 55:23: 🍎 The speaker discusses the historical diet of humans and argues that fruit is the least inflammatory plant food. 1:04:13: 🌳 Grafting has been practiced for thousands of years to improve the quality of fruits. 1:13:43: 🍯 The speaker discusses the importance of honey in the diet of our ancestors. 1:30:54: 👥 Subjective experiences and lab studies both play a role in understanding how the body reacts to different diets. 1:39:30: 🐝 Dr. Saladino advises against consuming store-bought honey due to potential contamination from pesticides. 1:47:59: 🥦 The speaker believes that Western medicine does not adequately address the role of diet in managing diabetes and suggests experimenting with cutting out certain foods to improve health. Recap by Tammy AI

[@hollyloveschows9764]

Any plant is an immediate toxin for ME. Joints inflame something awful.

[@ellenschukar8899]

Thank you!

[@mooncat.787]

Thanks for posting...... Saved me plenty of precious time.

[@bobomonkey702]

Thanks buddy

[@sargekowalkowski8572]

Thanks for the breakdown!!

[@CBass75]

I have done this diet both ways. Both ways have been good. Both ways have a negative. However, the absolute biggest problem with eating the fruit and honey is the “no hunger” aspect of carnivore is gone which could lead down a destructive path. I love the no hunger carnivore.

[@garrettohyeah7365]

yes I agree, once I started to add some fruit and such back into my diet I had the feeling of wanting to snack on food all day. compared to carnivore where I never had that feeling

[@lr1732]

Totally agree.

[@Beefcake1982]

Yes!

[@haroldgarling1063]

@@garrettohyeah7365 Some of us are skinny and need to gain weight. We need to stop talking about carbs and snacking like they are bad.

[@garrettohyeah7365]

@@haroldgarling1063 ok

[@forrestbirnbaum434]

Thank you for being the only carnivore doctor to actually talk with Saladino. It’s very important that we work together in this community and explore each and every idea, whether good or not, so we can truly know what that ideal diet is for us.

[@dryfastingclub]

the people that don't discuss ideas that go counter to theirs, should not be trusted. Thank you for this. We must always be open to new ideas.

[@kiwikim5163]

I learned a lot. Dr. Berry was good at debating in a positive way.

[@allolp]

Saladino is ghosting prof Bart Kay. He might just be ghosting other people aswell.

[@forrestbirnbaum434]

@@allolp Interesting, you think Saladino might be ghosting them? I always got the impression he welcomed debate and outside ideas.

[@allolp]

@@forrestbirnbaum434 I know for sure he is ghosting Bart at least because Bart has invited a debate publicly many times in his critique videos on Saladino and they used to talk, at least one show together when Paul was carnivore. So I speculate he might be ghosting others. Bart is unique in that he is a professor and has studied physiology for 25+ years hes done a lot of science, written stuff for textbook that med students would use and thought physiology to med students. Ken Berry reached out to Bart to ask him to look into the science to see if a1b test are actually sensitive to fructose as Saladino claims (they have low sensitivity it turns out) because Berry doesn't have the training to understand scientific papers. Bart mentioned this in his critique video on Saladino called "Paul Saladino Makes A FOOL of Himself !!!". However much i like Berry I think Saladino saw him as low hanging fruit you could say. He is strategic. Just look at his affiliation with liver King and then pretending to be shocked when its revealed he's taking steroids and then ditching him behind. It's about the bag.

[@dionnemortimer8800]

I added some fruit and honey back in a couple months ago and it wrecked me. I became obsessed with my next meal, trying to justify adding something sweet to everything I ate. Total disaster. It took my body about 6 weeks to recover…. Not doing that again.

[@Det1911]

Wow so what do you eat to give you energy

[@dionnemortimer8800]

@@Det1911 When you’re fat adapted, you eat fat for energy. If I need a turbo boost, I drink coffee.

[@dahof2789]

​@@Det1911Red Meat.

[@mahen77]

Same!! I stupidly drank chocolate milk 😣

[@benjaminbritt7862]

Red meat isn't glucose and the liver has to convert protein to glucose if there isn't enough from your diet

[@melindalemmon2149]

I took of 40 lbs easily with keto. But I fatten now extremely quick, without gluttony. I proved it. And the fat I put back on is lumpy and full of fluid, and I was developing heart failure. This is new for me. My inflamation multiplied horribly. My body began to swell, and my legs became almost dead weights. This occured when I went back to limited carbohydrates for 6 mths. I am broken. Don't do as I did. It is much harder this time to deal with my metabolic syndrome and severe insulin resistance, to the point of weight loss. I committed to carnivore for the first time. Prayers are appreciated.

[@spamuraisensei322]

It's not the carbs, it's the excess weight. Otherwise you wouldn't have vegans reversing their diabetes. Fat over-spills from the liver into the pancreas leading to insulin resistance and diabetes. You can read Roy Taylor's conclusions about it. He's been researching it since the 80s.

[@melindalemmon2149]

@@spamuraisensei322 Wrong on every level in my case.

[@TheMCShow_2023]

Good luck

[@M.Sforza]

What works for you doesn’t work for everyone. And please don’t tell us a small amount of carbohydrates created insulin resistance..BULLSHIT!

[@M.Sforza]

⁠@@melindalemmon2149No that is NOT wrong. It’s called Glyconeogenesis.

[@kimberlyRawlins]

So Saladino is living a lifestyle of 3 hrs a day surfing and eating non-hybridized fruit. That is not how most of us live. We need to keep that in mind when considering his diet. Most of us shop mainstream grocery stores and many work desk jobs with very little exercise. Real world lives do not compare to Saladino world.

[@T-aka-T]

Yes. Spot on Also not female. Hormones differ male/female for evolutionary reasons.

[@robinbeers6689]

I agree. Also Doc S has never been an ounce overweight or had any metabolic issue or serious illnesses. He is not playing with the same hand most people have been dealt.

[@GovernmentFear]

@@robinbeers6689 he was a vegan with plenty of issues. His message is to strive for the "saladino world " (ie immersed in nature) by trying to live as ancestral as possible.

[@robinbeers6689]

@@GovernmentFear His health issues consisted basically of some patches of eczema. I'm sorry but that is not really that big a deal. I'm all for living as ancestrally as possible. Large quantities of fruit and honey every single day is not ancestral. During our evolution fruit would have been found occasionally seasonally and according to location. Most of human evolution took place during ice ages when we wouldn't have even seen any plants for lifetimes at a stretch. When a tribe was lucky enough to find a ripe berry bush, the whole tribe would stuff their faces for a few days until all the berries were gone and that would be it for the whole year. They would all put on a couple of pounds which would help them survive the coming winter. We eat like it is late August and there is a plant free hard winter approaching 365 days a year now. Whole Foods flies the berries in from South America in the wintertime. Not very ancestral. Not to mention the carbon footprint involved.

[@haroldgarling1063]

They have organic at every grocery store though??

[@fireeye33]

I've tried both strict Carnivore and Dr. Saladino's diet. I'm better and thriving on Paul Saladino's version of "Carnivore/animal based. I'm less hungry, have more energy, Especially when I work out, I perform way better with fruits on my diet. I can fast longer. It works so much better on me.

[@jenny395791]

I'm doing carnivore, but every now and then, I will have some non starchy veg and a handful of berries. I believe that our ancestors would have done similar when times were hard for meat and fish!

[@karine8738]

Which one is the unstarchy veg ?

[@jenny395791]

@@karine8738 Leafy greens, broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts etc. The main veg to avoid is potato.

[@karine8738]

@@jenny395791 Thank you!

[@hannahowen1801]

I stayed strict carnivore for 4 months, and was doing better than I was on keto, but the brain fog and lack of energy/low mood made it hard to function. I had to add honey and fruit back in. My body was begging me. Doing much better now. Everyone has to find their own way of making this work for them. My keratosis pilaris on my legs is clearing up and I feel so much stronger!! You guys are my two favourite carnivore docs by the way 🥰🥰

[@amazingautumn12]

Absolutely agree with you. Fruits and honey are amazing ❤

[@hannahowen1801]

@@amazingautumn12 all that beautiful fructose gives us a spark of life 💫💫

[@castielvargastv7931]

If you felt weak you did Something wrong. Simple sugars like honey are poison

[@Isaac5123]

Saladino is not a carnivore

[@hannahowen1801]

@@Isaac5123 it's not about labels, it's about finding what works for your individual body. Both me and my boyfriend feel monumentally better having fruit and honey in our diet, but that's not going to apply to everyone.

[@mkckf4l]

The issue is Paul isn't fat and has never been fat. His theory works for a skinny person surfing 3 hrs a day. He's not getting the fact that we as a nation are already damaged and obese so we need systems and ideas that are applicable to the needs of those people. Once we're all skinny then sure we can strut around with our shirts off earing honey and some fruit. Dr Berry is trying to help where the help is needed.

[@Jchathe]

Agree with you one hundred percent!

[@dcar144000]

Same here! 👍🏻

[@francescotota7825]

I am and have tried his diet, I lost 20 pounds

[@IamMonikaDLC]

100% this. You're doing no favors saying eat fruit everyday to the overweight, pre-diabetic, insulin sensitive population of the US which btw those categories combined are almost everyone. Fruit is a beneficial treat for the healthy and active, detrimental to the not.

[@Jenlettautherapies]

Agreed there. Doesn't mean his wrong, just means you have to tweak his ideas to suit your body type and exercise levels.

[@ralphkassing6821]

I’m a Ketovore like your wife. My last Lipid panel was low Triglycerides, high LDL and High normal HDL. My doc was left scratching his head. Then the fasting insulin was low and A1C was perfect. Actually he said that my entire Metabolic panel was perfect and if he didn’t know better he would think that he was looking at the labs of a 30 yr old marathon runner! Lol I’m 63. This is actually very easy and can be fun!

[@nancyk7874]

I love testimonies like this. Congratulations!

[@garyholiday7446]

Ralph Kassing, can I ask, what is your daily meal routine? I fast daily until noonish, drink Alot of ginger water, but I'm going to start the carnivore journey this coming week. Any suggestions?

[@bobtosi9346]

Lol my dr put me on statins and blood pressure meds. I keep trying to convince him he’s wrong. He won’t take time to listen or look at the research I send him. He barely looks up from his lap top

[@danield3459]

@@bobtosi9346 hopefully your low carb and quite the meds☮️

[@jjjc0711]

@@bobtosi9346 find a new doctor.

[@veiddimaddur8354]

I like to call what Paul Saladino does the Bear Diet because it incorporates meat, fruit and honey. I think if it works for him that's great. I sometimes add fruit to my diet for regularity

[@JLawson86]

😂 that’s appropriate

[@truongsinh9955]

That's actually really spot on of an analogy!

[@Atlas2040]

Bear necessities

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

Does the opposite for me.

[@garouthetiktokinfluencerhu9731]

Did you come up with that? That’s a good name for it!

[@_allthingsdude]

One thing that drives me crazy about Ken Barry Is he doesn’t let other people talk. Paul is so good at allowing others to talk and make their point while just sitting back and listening, even when it’s to his own detriment

[@toddstevens8506]

A common issue amongst interviewers. Thinking of Bill Mayer for example.

[@joemecca1982]

It could be the lag associated with doing video calls. I often find that happens alot, even with cellular calls too.

[@_allthingsdude]

@joemecca1982 I’ve wondered that as well. Definitely a good point.

[@Flybynight_2112]

I've seen Paul totally dominate in interviews, literally talking right over the guest to the point of being rude. Then on top of that he talks a million miles an hour. Plus, Paul highly recommends not to eat bacon. Dr. Berry will tell you it's ok to eat bacon every day and to save the bacon grease to cook other foods with especially eggs. I do whatever Dr. Berry recommends.

[@_allthingsdude]

@@Flybynight_2112 link to said video? Paul>Berry

[@aliceannhengesbach8904]

Carnivore is helping me successfully manage Prediabetes and PCOS consequences. My blood glucose is around 100 down from 117. Weight 225 down from 269 since midAugust 2022. Carnivore works for me.

[@TBI-Firefighter-451]

I am 16 months into the Carnivore Lifestyle and my Type 2 is improving each and everyday and the only bad thing is all my clothes are now to big for me. At the start of this Carnivore Diet I was 375# and now I am 260#, this is the only Diet out of the others that has ever worked.

[@aliceannhengesbach8904]

@@TBI-Firefighter-451 Thank you for sharing your experience, strength and hope. You have firmed my resolve.

[@stormyweather8798]

Great. It'll kill u from cancer of the guts.

[@Crimepaysaskapolitician]

Huzzah

[@honeyschmurn7226]

Find me a person for whom it doesn't work!

[@hosephanerothe1440]

I'm convinced I am a carb addict, Keto and IF has helped me lose 18kg and improve quality of life but if I cheat once, I. Can't stop. I will spiral. It's black and white - I need to step up to carnivore but I spent 15 years of vegetarianism. Been eating meat for 4 months now and I feel great but my conscience is not happy about it, thanks Dr B for all you do 🇬🇧

[@kimberlycostello3198]

Carnivore works better for me...started with keto worked well for me lost about 25lbs..was a slippery slope sometimes tho..keto treats etc.. Carnivore has been a game changer. Im a carb addiction so abstaining from carbs works better personally

[@555Trout]

Eventually you'll be completely eaten by other creatures. You are actually being eaten by many creatures this very moment. Just not enough to kill you. Its the nature of life. Don't be guilty.

[@arwenhardy1995]

Congratulations. Your conscience should be clear! Humans were designed to eat animals.

[@nkaujmoobleeg]

🤣🤣you are a carb Addict...dont think.

[@richardcardinale7152]

@Hos, I feel you about your conscience. I was vegan for near 10 years , for health and moral reasons. When I realized that my health was suffering on that diet, I tried eating steak, it's was game changer on the physical and psychological level, but I had hard time to accept eating meat. You are an animal too, who need to eat what is good for you, it's not for pleasure. Please let go that guilt , you are only an animal living his life on this earth.

[@commenting4love]

Surfing every day removes Paul from any possible comparisons to the average human

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

also he conveniently leaves out that he was carnivore diet for many years until recently

[@Magneticlaw]

​@@GuitarsAndSynthsmost people who him know about this

[@user-fq1oj2tr3v]

Sugar is addictive. Somebody should open a rehab to get people off of sugar. After a month or however long it takes for the cravings to go away people will be cured. It would make a million dollars.

[@jaymorr2414]

The Betty crocker clinic

[@carnivorehippie8071]

Dr Saladino is relatively young and has always been fit and never overfat (by my understanding). What his body will tolerate and still remain healthy has nothing to do with what another individual will need to do in order to regain health.

[@Shagley]

Yes as you get older you can’t tolerate carbs as well, but as a kid most love to indulge in carbs

[@mariataveras9803]

@@Shagley You can't just say carbs without mentioning the inflammatory oils they are usually loaded with, it's like giving a car the perfect gasoline but you never change the oil, eventually it'll slow down and the gasoline won't be an effective fuel anymore because everything is clogged. That's not the gasoline's fault, you should've changed your oil in time lol.

[@Billy97ify]

Young healthy and fit people can tolerate bad diet for decades. When you are old and have had damage you can not fool around eating carbs and fructose. Once you restore health you have to protect it.

[@lr1732]

Agree. What we can get away with when young is different from when we get older. For sure.

[@carnivorehippie8071]

@@lr1732 and the younger we are when our health begins to suffer, we can tolerate even less later on.

[@maryrichardson1318]

Just had a thought occur to me. When I was a kid, our neighbors had a horse that they were discussing. They said it had "foundered". Meaning that it just kept eating, past the point of being physically full. Intestines were blocked and they eventually had to put the animal down. This animal was fed oats, and corn based feed. It was probably never "satisfied" because horses are meant to graze on grasses for the most part. They normally do not eat the high carb, sugar laced diet that they are fed in captivity. When I was a carb addict, I sometimes would eat until I could not hold anymore, but was always unsatisfied. Since going "Ketovore", I am rarely hungry. I also don't stress eat anymore, because I am rarely depressed and full of anxiety, even in anxiety prone situations.

[@T-aka-T]

Yup. We had a miniature pony that broke into a sack of oats and nearly died. Blew up like a balloon. Founder. Yup

[@jimmckay2337]

A colleague of mine spoke about a deer that had gotten sick and died of starvation whilst it only ate deer corn. I am not surprised about the horse. Corn just isn’t food. The same thing affects cats and dogs which are primarily built to eat meats. Most pet foods have a base of corn or brown rice. Nowadays dogs are diabetic.

[@Crimepaysaskapolitician]

You ever watched a horse eat sugar cubes

[@modernrider1398]

I often think about that because my mom always feeds her horses oats and in my head I’m thinking why? That’s not natural

[@appollo3moonman93]

100% ... this diet is satisfying.

[@wandamazzulo779]

I love Dr. Berry, I believe he is better doing monologue...... Dr. Saladino is one of the best humble person. The first time I saw him was in a Drs show where they tried to rip him off, and I was so upset those doctors treated him 😢 and he still was calm and 💯 percent on his studies. Thank you Doctors i love u both.

[@BadWolf-bw6ik]

He did seem a little flustered at a few points in the discussion. I think saladino has all the technical knowledge but whether or not that works for someone is really down to their physiology and activity as well as quality, time and quantity of meals. I don't think there is a golden bullet just too many triggers.

[@3beautifulme]

Utmost respect for both these gentlemen, shoutout to Dr Saladino for professionally handling Dr Berrys repeated and constant interruptions, was a little hard to watch…great information on both sides though, thank you gentlemen…

[@Lindableching]

Dr. Berry was the one being interviewed, he was answering questions.

[@waterydepths5584]

I failed my first attempt at carnivore because I was stopping before full satiation. When I started eating to the point of being stuffed, the weight began coming off and my energy level rose significantly.

[@neiljohnson7914]

Makes sense. The more you eat the faster the wight will come off

[@DanielColageo]

That helps. I just realized that I'm not eating enough meat when I eat it.

[@fran791]

Your body stopped being in starvation mode

[@trishkline6507]

I myself have to give up cheese, Im not able to lose weight eating that. So I switched to pork rinds and hard boiled eggs if I get hungry after my OMAD

[@realmsabovetheclouds3619]

Oh that's what I'm doing wrong then, I need to eat until I'm stuffed. I wasn't and kept getting cravings and give in to them!

[@seekthtruth]

I love doctor Berry, he never closes his mind, always learning and adjusting. Brilliant man

[@mas-udal-hassan9277]

@D B Obviously, it’s still possible to lose weight on any diet - just eat fewer calories than you burn, right? The problem with this simplistic advice is that it ignores the elephant in the room: hunger. Most people don’t like to “just eat less,” as it may result in having to go hungry forever. Sooner or later, many will likely give up and eat without restriction, hence the prevalence of “yo-yo dieting.” While it should be possible to lose weight on any diet, some appear to make it easier and some to make it much harder. The main advantage of the low-carb diet is that it may cause you to want to eat less. Even without counting calories, overweight people tend to eat fewer calories on low carbs. Thus, calories count, but you don’t need to count them.

[@leslierendflash1517]

Maybe Paul could make a point if he could get a word in edgewise. Every time he tries to reply he gets talked over

[@valeriegriner5644]

@@leslierendflash1517 I noticed that, too. Poor Paul couldn't get HIS TURN to make his (very VALID) points!

[@tommyjones1357]

Exactly. Berry preaches the same generic keto information as everyone else. 400 pound man becomes a 300 man on fat bombs and whipping cream, but Saladino’s tribe strives

[@Livetoeat171]

He has already closed his mind and thinks that plant-based diets are a mythology @2:00

[@Jill-the-Meatlover]

Dr. Berry, you are a very intelligent man. You have taught me a huge amount of information on my current diet. My only SUGGESTION is, when you have someone on to learn their journey, you give them the courtesy to finish what they are saying before you explain your spin on the conversation. I found it hard to intake the information Paul was trying to present, with those interruptions. ❤️

[@jmharrisjr]

To be fair, this is a cross post where Paul was interviewing Dr. Berry, not the other way around.

[@parsioniparsons4610]

I got the impression that this interview was CarnivoreaMD' gig.

[@sandrabentley8111]

I think it was Paul's podcast therefore he was the one asking the questions. Dr. Berry therefore expounded longer.

[@Jill-the-Meatlover]

Ok I got it wrong.

[@lcwisdom1]

I ate sweet potatoes every day with stevia and butter on them doing a keto diet and I still lost 30 pounds in 2 months.

[@jms42]

" two acorns and half a rats tail " ! I just love Dr Berry ❤️

[@Konaboy]

Heavy fruit for 10 years while “eating healthy”! I added Manuka honey every day for allergies (I was told it was good for allergies). Then came the blood test with high ALT and AST, which was from a fatty liver and high insulin. Keto healed my liver in a few months and now 1.5 years latter I’m carnivore and thriving. Thanks for the wisdom doctor berry! Also allergies are gone now also👍

[@Crimepaysaskapolitician]

HUZZAH!

[@oskaredwall7662]

So you started eating enough protein and fat ? Did you lack those on the fruit including diet?

[@leftoverciccia]

When I started Keto in 2017, the first thing than changed, was the healing of my chronic sinusitis! The second thing I noticed, was the disappearing of allergies, then I reversed pre diabetes... I am now carnivore. I occasionaly can eat an orange or a hand full of berries, that's all! Milk and sugar are huge triggers for carb cravings. The addicition is real. It is not worth it to trigger those addiction symptom.

[@Konaboy]

@@Jay37_tech yea grains and seed oils contributed, but fructose is what gets the liver the worst

[@freedomfreedom6544]

@@Jay37_tech I used to eat nothing but fruit and meat and then stopped eating plants and dropped 60 lbs. Fruit is sugar as delicious as it is.

[@railsplitters79]

I think Dr. Berry is correct for most people. Whose circumstances do not allow/require the activity level that requires a lot of carbs. I think Dr saladino’s points are completely valid for someone that is able to be/needs to be extremely active.

[@efanjul5768]

Mangoes were brought to Central America from India. Even the ones you find in the jungle.

[@dwmbama68]

Love this! Ken is so right!! I don’t care that Saladino eats a plant based diet but he really needs to quit calling it animal based. He eats a high carb paleo diet!

[@trapperkcmo3460]

no, thats not what he eats. plants are poison. they want their fruit to be eaten to distribute seeds. humans naturally eat sweet fruit and spit out the seeds. only insanity can account for not seeing that "sweet" is what humans eat.

[@sykotikmommy]

Where did you get the idea that Saladino eats a plant based diet? Plant based is vegetarian and vegan. He eats mostly meat, organs, animal fats and has some fruit and honey. That's definitely not plant based. 😕

[@kylec6775]

@Jodie Masterson lol, did you even read Jennifer's comment?

[@stellaancimer8505]

@Jodie Masterson he is more paleo

[@mddperkins]

@Jodie Masterson He eats a maximum of 40% carbs (which includes honey - plant-based or animal-based?). Therefore a minimum of 60% of his diet comes from animal products. So it’s an animal-based diet, but not hypercarnivore since that would be >= 70% meat.

[@adVANtageousCarnivore]

The fruit and honey pushed my blood glucose higher and caused cravings.

[@KJB0001]

I don't know why this discussion has to focus on 100 grams So many other low carb nutritionists suggest trying a GARNISH sized serving a couple times week, not Saladino's sized servings- whole mangoes and papayas every day. Don't be afraid of 12 raspberries as a side with your beef liver once a week. and a teaspoon of honey in your dandelion tea on a special occasion. Also, star fruit is okay for keto- once a month, if you can find it. The dose makes the poison.

[@surfboarding5058]

It doesn’t work when you’re an office slave

[@AustenSummers]

You're probably metabolically unhealthy

[@marys8003]

If you’re not metabolically flexible this will happen. Your glucose will go a bit higher. After 3 days of consuming fruit and honey it’ll level out. Especially if you’ve been in prolong ketosis.

[@UTAH100]

You are likely already metabolically unwell. Fructose is harmful regardless. Read a book. That said, fruit typically does not raise glucose much at all. You have other issues going on I am afraid.

[@lizpetruzzi7700]

When I did a carnivore diet, over time I struggled with dehydration/electrolytes and after a few months felt terrible even with salt and electrolytes. After adding in some fruit, I feel much better. I think Dr. Berry knows his stuff and is a true health advocate. I thought I was an anomaly so hearing this was helpful.

[@andrewc7525]

It's possible that your body was dumping Oxalates. The body will dump Oxalates when going carnivore, since there is an absence of Oxalate being consumed. This may also explain the dehydration, do you recollect peeing more frequently? Adding fruit will essentially reintroduce some dietary Oxalates and slow down Oxalate dumping and its awful symptoms, however Oxalates are not good and should be avoided as much as possible. Glad fruit worked for you, good luck with your health journey. 😊

[@lizpetruzzi7700]

@@andrewc7525 thank you for your reply. Was def peeing more but I was drinking a lot of water (some with electrolytes, some without) while continuing to experience signs of dehydration - low energy, light headed at times, feeling “blah”. After exercising it was worse. I tried more salt as well as adding electrolytes. This occurred after about 6-8 months eating keto, then carnivore. I’m a former vegan and kept thinking, “I felt better eating a plant based diet” so I reintroduced some fruit and veg. Problem totally resolved. I’ve tweaked it a bit, restricting to berries, avocado, coconut and keto veg. Thank you again for your reply.

[@andrewc7525]

@@lizpetruzzi7700 I'm really glad you found a solution that works for you. 😊

[@alexashleigh8787]

This is due to a lack of an insulin bump leading to the loss of electrolyte retention in the kidneys. This could’ve been remedies by lowering the number of meals per day and increasing the bolus of protein in each of those less frequent meals to provide that small insulin bump

[@lizpetruzzi7700]

@@alexashleigh8787 wow - thank you so much! I sincerely appreciate your response. I will give this a try. You are the first person to come up with a rationale/solution that makes sense. Thank you again.

[@litt8054]

I'm watching both of your videos as fast as I can implementing everything I can as I learn the Carnivore way of TRULY LIVING. I have hope for healing after years of illnesses and more "diagnosis" than I can remember. Thank you both for contributing to saving my life, truly. But I wanted to be snarky and remind us that the "medical community " DID quite recently restrict our breathing on a National level, while simultaneously destroying mental and physical health worldwide. So my friends out there, listen to any doctor bucking the system with honestly and a true desire to heal our fellow man. I salute you gentlemen!!!❤

[@othmansultan1529]

I am on a carnivore diet for last one year now and i have lost around 55 pounds. I did not feel so good in the beginning but I introduced some honey in my bullet tea and also some small portion of fruit and i feel much better and I have not seen any spike in my weight or anything. Most of my diet is Mutton and eggs and butter and cheeses and sometimes chicken thighs. Along with that I also eat some olives and I feel just good. Not all bodies are same and I am 50 years of age

[@shanismith8339]

Thanks for this info. How long did you do strict carnivore before you added the honey and fruit? Also, do you have a rough daily carb intake that you have found that works best for you?

[@daleon96]

Good point.... Although right now I'm choosing to be all carnivore, The occasional fruit is not going to do any harm, and could be beneficial

[@josephinesherriff5340]

I will try for one month then have my blood tested....CURIOUS

[@arbaabsheytaan6723]

I've done the same on a vegetarian diet .

[@jetzsetter6205]

Carnivore helped clear my skin. After a while my stomach felt gross. Adding fruit made me feel so much better

[@sherrylivering4149]

I'm with you Doc Berry. Fruit makes me fat. I removed it from my diet 15 years ago. People thought I was crazy not to eat fruit. Thought I was even crazier when I said I gain weight on it. Nice to know that I wasn't crazy all these years. Oh, and back then I ran approximately 25-30 miles/week, weight trained 5 days a week and taught a weight training class at my local YMCA 2 day a week. Yep, some of us just get chubby a lot faster than others.

[@markwiener1091]

You nailed it with SOME. People are NOT the same. Some folks might thrive on all meat and it might kill others.

[@farmersmith7057]

How were you putting on weight eating fruit when you did all that exercise?

[@farmersmith7057]

@@sherrylivering4149 I guess it depends how much fruit you eat.

[@evelgreytarot8401]

@@olddouchebag that's called starving

[@christinaelder9552]

Yes. yes yes. I just did a podcast with Shawn Baker. I am a elite track athlete training every day. I added fruit into my carnivore diet last year and in a year ive gained 6 pounds, sleeping poorly, headaches, energy low. I had no idea what was causing this. I decided two weeks ago to take fruit out and I feel 100% better!!! At least I now know... I tried the fruit thing. Doesn't work for me. I feel 100% better without it.

[@andreaskarlsson6352]

I'm definitely leaning towards fruits being an ancestorally coherent and health-optimising food. Especially around the equator

[@Frank-gd5zk]

If you’re walking 20 miles thru the forest, climbing 60 foot trees, sweating up a storm and sleeping like a log at night, chances are you can eat anything.

[@johnstark5254]

Two very intelligent Doctors agreeing to disagree at times on a very professional level. Enjoyable!

[@cornstar1253]

One is a practicing Dr. The other has never practiced medicine.

[@sandrabentley8111]

I think Dr. Saladino quickly uses those carbohydrates with his intense workouts surfing. For many of us, we just don't need anywhere near that amount of carbs and probably would encourage us to continue eating the sweet stuff. That really is the point. Dr. Berry is correct imo. A spoonful of honey a day would definitely take me on a slippery slope backwards.

[@PocketDelicious]

I think this discussion is perfect. I think they are both trying to be a part of the solution of figuring out what is truly healthy or not. I think Dr. Berry is right when he says meat is the answer. I think that Saladino is right when he says that natural and proper carbs aren't inherently evil. I think our problem, in the US, is processed foods, too much added sugars, too much cheap seed oils, and too much fake stuff in our food. All that on top of the fact we've become SO SEDENTARY. Working for your food and livelihood and survival is one hell of a workout. This conversation is making me think a little differently about my carnivore diet in a wholesome way. Carbs are fine but you have to know yourself. Make adjustments accordingly. Can't handle them at all? Then don't eat them. Do you feel ok and are all vitals and bloodwork looking ok? Then you can have some natural carbs. The food pyramid is trash regardless. I think a largely meat and fat based diet, with occasional fruit or berries is probably fine.

[@revtmyers1]

It's not carnivore. Eat what you want but I know I cannot eat honey, fruit or any other carbs without repercussions. As someone who a few years ago was dying from congestive heart failure, type 2 and a list of other issues it's black and white with me. I wholeheartedly admit everyone has varying tolerances to different foods but I know what I have consistently seen beneficial for the majority and detrimental as well. It some cases if one is wanting to justify sugar as carnivore I have to wonder if carb addiction is not an underlying issue.

[@hulonposey1693]

I still eat honey. It is a form of sugar but the health benefits of it are so good. It is a food of the Bible.

[@Terri_2.0]

@@hulonposey1693 The body doesn´t know it´s honey. To the body, sugar is sugar whether it´s honey, fruit or sugar from the bowl. Full stop. But as always, to each their own. ✌

[@ivermec-tin666]

It is useful and healthy to break out of ketosis once a day. Doing so is very difficult for those on a strict traditional therapeutic keto diet. This explains why the epilepsy patients who were put on a strict keto diet, and saw their epilepsy symptoms disappear, also tended to have smaller musculature and achieved less height while institutionalized. A carnivore diet, on OMAD, will induce a large enough post prandial spike in blood glucose, to kick the body out of ketosis for a period of time, daily. The large bolus of protein is the key to this. What Saladino appears to be achieving with honey, is an effect that any carnivore on OMAD will already achieve, by virtue of that bolus of protein, once a day. This daily cycle facilitates muscle and collagen formation. I like raw local honey as a medicinal, and use it as such. It is not an appropriate routine or primary food for human beings.

[@dannyc9784]

@@ivermec-tin666 Couldn't have said it better myself !

[@HippocratesHealing]

did you reversed your type 2 diabetes with carnivore?

[@angieschimming9707]

I am 53 years old and have a lung disease called aveolar hemorrhaging, and possibly bronchitis obliterans organized pneumonia which was diagnosed 5 or 6 years ago. The steroids they had me on had such major side effects that I felt like I was just waiting to die. One ER dr told me I was going to die the next time I got pneumonia. I could barely get out of bed, and I had to go on disability after working as a registered pharmacist for 20 years........Then I woke up.........I went off the meds (against my dr's advice) and went on a STRICT carnivore diet and actually used Dr Berry's electrolyte drink they recommended to prevent the "keto flu", and I also joined a couple of beef groups to keep me updated on any new information coming up regarding eating a carnivore diet. I even kept a diary for the first six months to follow my progress. Well, my dr went from telling me "I was crazy to eat like this", to a year later, telling me to just continue with whatever I was doing. I am off my lung meds, off my oxygen, and am still here and now even work 20 hours a week at a gas station by my house. I won't do pharmacy because I have some TBI from low oxygen (it would be in the low 60's when I was in the ICU), and I won't put any patient at risk because I know my memory is not good at all anymore and I would be nervous I would make a mistake. Carnivore SAVED my life!!! I had gained 120 pounds in one year from the 240mg's of prednisone they had me taking daily. I was also diagnosed with type 2 doabetes and was actually even insulin dependent for a couple of years. The steroids also caused EXTREME anxiety, EXTREME depression , and EXTREME insomnia. I have two or three years that are just a blur because of the steroids and low oxygen, and even though I knew a lot of these symptoms were caused by the meditation my lung specialist had me on, ut qas a horrible existence for me. It hurt to lay down, and it hurt to get up. I spent a lot of time crying and also found out that when you suddenly get sick, you learn who your real friends and family are. I lost most of my weight I gained (70 pounds) just by going off the prednisone, and I lost the last 50 pounds in four months when I switched to carnivore, eating as much and as often as I wanted to. I eat until I am full, and usually I am only hungry once a day. Once a month I also fast for 48 hours to get my body in "autophagy" mode. I am back to my normal weight that I was at when I first hot sick, I am off insulin, and my last two A1C's were in the normal range. I tell everyone about carnivore because the benefits for me have been AMAZING!!! And it is funny that I work at a gas station because the only thing I can eat at the store is our hard boiled eggs. I rarely sweat at all anymore, and most issues I am dealing with now are actually just side effects still from the EXTREMLY high dose of prednisone. I have bone issues now and the prednisone ruined my eyesight too. I went from perfect eyesight to needing 4.50 reading glasses. (I am actually supposed to wear bifocals, but after tripping and falling, I just went back to the reading glasses.) Sorry I am rambling, but if my daughter wouldn't have talked me into trying this diet, I know I would have already passed away. I don't even tell most people I was diagnosed as "terminal", I fired my pulmonologist, I quit seeing any specialists for my lungs and I just stick with my primary dr who now is supportive of the way I eat. I went from being in the hospital at least monthly, to not being in the hospital for my lungs for at least a year now. I am not completely healthy now, but COMPARED to how I was on all of those medications before, I am so much better and I am so grateful that I am able to work my 20 hours a week now. I appreciate feeling good, because I know what it is like to feel horrible all of the time. The only medication I HAVE to take now is warfarin 10mg (a blood thinner) because the alveolar hemorrhaging has led to nine pulmonary embolisms and I only mention this because I HAVE NOT had one more since I went carnivore.............I follow Dr Berry, Jordan Peterson and his daughter, and I listen to lots of talks regarding carniore. I have considered writing a book about carnivore saving my life, but I am concerned my memory issues may interfere with my efforts. Though, now that I think about it, my kids (two are grown), they would probably help. And also, I did that diary on my change in diet, so I guess I already have started. Lol!!! I have learned soooooo many AMAZING things about carnivore, and am amazed how many people this has helped. We need to get the word out about carnivore!!! Thank you both for doing this KZbin video!!! I went to college and pharmacy school for a total of seven years (graduated in 1995), and am very disappointed we were just taught the "pyramid diet", and that was it. (Now I think that is sad.) Great video!!! NOTE: my first day eating carnivore was August 20th, 2020. (Oh, and Dr Berry's "keto flu" drink worked perfectly for me.)

[@ianstuart5660]

Fantastic and what an encouraging story, big congrats! I have someone close with sarcoidosis. Prednisone has been the main remedy. Never knew about the weight gain problems. However, have seen kind of a bipolar disorder type of effect. Do you think an all carnivore diet could cure the sarcoidosis? Any feedback appreciated !

[@NSJ-ve5pl]

Amazing testimony. Best wishes for continued health improvement, you might need to consider reducing or deleting the blood thinner before long. Carnivore diet seems to reduce the need for many medications and suppliments.

[@marnasletten3988]

Welcome back to life.

[@sherryllynnjones7077]

Angie, this is all so amazing!!! It's almost unreal, right! My gdtr has lung disease. I can't remember exactly (but Obliterans). Sooooo much Prednisone, Albuterol, etc... eats a lot of McDs, ugh!!! She turned 18 last month, & has been diagnosed with Aplastic Anemia, Immuno Deficiency, on & on & on. Allergic or so sensitive to most things. I'm praying & talking to her re her diet. I definitely want her to read your story! Thank God for your dtrs persistence, right. Great job & thank you so much for sharing.🙏❤️🙏 Shea

[@mohannadali9662]

For memory: excercize, get yourself n-acetyl cystiene (you wouldn't be able to get agathisflavone so take n-acetyl cystiene instead), a lotta vitamin A, vitamin K2 MK7 (or MK4), vitamin D3, do wim hof's breathing technique, perform mentally demanding tasks for a few hours every day, and sleep well. They will help not only with oxidative stress, but also promote neurogenesis and neuronal maturation. Kids and adolescents have great cardiac health and it helps with brain development (along with activities that are cognitively demanding and therefore help neural differentiation, maturation and consolidation, like being social). Since attention, memory, processing speed, reasoning and abstraction are always present in literally everything we do, their circuitry also get strengthened as well, but only if we use them enough, as dictated by our given limits of intelligence. Erythropoietin is induced by hypoxia when doing intense cardio and the breathing technique, and you need both for brain development. For neuroprotection, against oxidative stress and glutamatergic toxicity, luckily, both also work. Now if it weren't for blood thinners I would have also recommended omega 3 fatty acids (2000-3000 milligrams a day of dha) but I would say you really shouldn't, just out of precaution. You should look it up and make sure. If you did however see it safe to take omega 3, don't worry about its oxidation. Turns out it still has the same benefits even if it's rancid, plus you're already treating it through excercize, etc. Oh and take your B vitamins and minerals because those are also absolutely necessary for brain health (there are specific forms that are bioavailable that you should take instead of the cheap useless ones which I'll be happy to list one by one if you're interested). Some research: -Beyond the Hippocampus and the SVZ: Adult Neurogenesis Throughout the Brain. -Retinoic acid signaling and neuronal differentiation. -Generation of a defined and uniform population of CNS progenitors and neurons from mouse embryonic stem cells. -Retinoic acid restores adult hippocampal neurogenesis and reverses spatial memory deficit in vitamin A deprived rats. -Induction of striatal neurogenesis and generation of region-specific functional mature neurons after ischemia by growth factors. -Agathisflavone, a flavonoid derived from Poincianella pyramidalis (Tul.), enhances neuronal population and protects against glutamate excitotoxicity. -PKN1 promotes synapse maturation by inhibiting mGluR-dependent silencing through neuronal glutamate transporter activation. -Progressive maturation of silent synapses governs the duration of a critical period. -Silent synapses generate sparse and orthogonal action potential firing in adult-born hippocampal granule cells. -Early Actions of Neurotransmitters During Cortex Development and Maturation of Reprogrammed Neurons. Brain plasticity is still possible well into adulthood, and critical periods of socialization remain open even if stimulus is lacking during its typical onset (a bit controversial). Don't get discouraged. Good luck!

[@candidawiley4569]

I had a Nissen fundiplication procedure for reflux 7 months ago. It didn’t work well. I still have reflux. I’m trying to stop taking protonics for acid since that medication creates malnutrition. After 2 weeks 95% carnivore, I’m noticing certain improvements but I am still suffering with reflux. I’m going to continue with carnivore hoping for more improvements

[@gsuth20202]

I'm a little late to the party but on this debate I think Meat only carnivore is best for people with severe issues with insulin sensitivity, weight, and autoimmune/digestive health. Meat + dairy+ fruit+honey for those who are at a healthy weight and immune state who want to optimize athletic performance/productivity/energy

[@gaylem.3185]

Well ,I will say this being a t1 diabetic if I eat a banana I go sky high so iv given up all vegs and fruit and feeling great. You all can keep your fruit and veggies.

[@bambamboo9885]

Saladino is my hero.. Thanks to Dr. Paul Saladino I finally feel my very, very best. I could not, for the life of me, understand why my electrolites were always low. Not for lack of salt because I can put down salt like the best of them.. I had leg cramps, heart palpitations and constipation while strictly carnivore, not to mention that stinky keto breath that was killing everyone around me. NO, thank you.. My body was telling me it should not be like this.. Enter fruit, goat keifer and honey and FINALLY leg cramps, heart palpitations, constipation and stinky breath completely gone. Still maintaining satiety for hours and hours after my meals. Two meals a day. Kept my weight just where I need it.. I'm always calm and sleep like a newborn baby. Just goes to show we are all different. You need to tweak until you find your happy.

[@roonbooks3227]

I fully agree...we are all different

[@tb6303]

Absolutely! Thanks for posting your experience.

[@ukaszkutryba7227]

Can you please write how much fruit and honey you added during the day? Since I started keto/carnivore, my heart palpitations have started and despite taking electrolytes, it won't go away...

[@randihenderson7750]

low bile flow...bitter greens before a meal instantly stop constipation due to increased bile flow.

[@bambamboo9885]

@@ukaszkutryba7227 Hello, so I added 2 fruit servings daily. One of which is 1/2 of an avocado. I also i corporated no more than 1 and 1/2 Tbsp of honey with the 6 oz of goat keifer. That did the job for me. You will have to see how your body does with these. This may do the job. Give yourself some time to see the improvement. Again we are all different. The best to you.

[@bettyboop3206]

For 10 weeks I had a very active job. I ate everything. Granola bars, at least 1 candy bar per day, sandwiches, sweetened oatmeal every day, american chinese food and 2 glasses if wine every night. I lost 40 lb. Felt great! I have no idea what the lab numbers were. This was due to hiking through steep terrain for 6-8 hours per day carrying timber cruise equipment, water and my huge lunch. Now, 40 years later i am omnivore, meat based, avoid seed oils and cured my arthritis with clean paleo prescribed by my MD.

[@user-bk5oi9wg7e]

Thank you so much Dr Berry and Dr Saladino, I really appreciate both of your perspectives and I think you are wonderful for asking these questions and providing your insights and all this data. It’s invaluable ❤

[@jeffdeneen7241]

Meat butter 4eggs daily 260 lbs down to 215 My waist is finally 35 inches my height of 6'. No meds. My fair lady has had similar results. It is all from listening and learning from you both definitely can't argue with all the great testimonials. Definitely need more doctors like you.Thanks

[@Crimepaysaskapolitician]

HUZZAH!

[@otallono]

Not even sure why it has anything to do with weight... I could never gain weight eating carbs.. I do eat mostly beef and eggs but I cannot live without pizza or lasagna

[@KevManDo]

Congrats and thank you, given me the motivation to follow this way if eating. I'm 230lbs and wanna get to 170

[@AB-dz7lo]

@@otallono I feel like I need fewer calories and lose weight less easily after having stopped eating refined sugar. But it could be coincidental, and I don’t weigh much.

[@Lucida1818]

YES Dr Ken!!!! I fatten easily. I am a 57 year old woman. Menopause and an endomorph and have metabolic syndrome there is no way I could eat all that fruit and honey everyday. Unfortunately!!! I really wish I could. My body just wants more of it and the more I eat that then spirals into me eating sweeter carbs or breads etc. So Dr Ken you are my doctor for sure on this! ❤ And Dr Paul doesn’t realise just how high intensity 2-3 hours of surfing 🏄‍♀️ is a day. Dr Paul needs to accept that his diet is right for his body and cannot recommend it to the broader modern human being! This is where the issue is for how I see his theory. I also would say cortisol increases insulin too so if there is an insulin spike with cortisol and I eat fruit that just feeds the insulin more. So we fumble in the dark because of various complexities 🙏🤝❤️ I do love Dr Paul Saladino’s passion and no doubt has done tonnes of research too. However, the research he does supports what works for him in my humble opinion. Thanks again doctors 🥰🙌🙏 Dr Paul I live in Victoria Australia! Close to Antartica lol 😆 so we cannot base the tropical theory here 😅

[@rickys7435]

Famously cold Australia.

[@Lucida1818]

@@rickys7435 it gets hot too but I’m in Melbourne so yes it’s colder longer during the year than it does during the hotter months.

[@joniatoms9798]

I appreciate both physicians speaking about this. ❤❤❤ 30 years ago I was 30 and started a high-protein diet and basically fixed my metabolism, and took my body pain away. I was super lean and I loved it. I’ve had chronic body pain, all over my body for 31 years. Of course I’m now 60 years old, and for a myriad of variables, my body pain is a lot worse. Most of it may be stress, environmental exposure , etc.. I’m going to add to my medical chart that I’m allergic to wheat and sugar. 😮. When I eat these, my skin burns the next day and my peripheral nerves hurt the next day.😢 Someone that can surf for 2 to 3 hours a day has a lifestyle conducive to massive quantities of exercise, according to typical American culture. Most of us cannot dedicate that much time to exercise each day. Household exercise, although helps range of motion and does burn some calories, I’m not able to get stronger unless I go to a gym where I’m doing water weights or weight lifting. Dr. Barry is correct each human being is unique and one must dial in what variables work for them the best. 🙏🏾💗⭐️

[@rpellicer]

I live in the tropics (Philippines), and we have several fruit trees. The only fruits available year round are bananas and coconut. The rest, like mangoes and avocados will be raining for a month to 6 weeks, then die down. Farmers have hacks to get them to bear fruit more often, but typically it's just one season if no tampering.

[@gamingtemplar9893]

He said "When I talked about this on Joe Rogan" I wish Ken would have a chance to do that, not because that guy, because how many people would hear about what is important with the opinion of Ken on this, at least for me the person I value most for learning and helping others understand these topics.

[@myroadtonursing753]

I love when great minds have conversations, and respectfully disagree. The truth is, there is NO one "diet" that fits all...so it's okay for there to be many different eating protocols available to everyone so that each individual can find what works best for them individually. We need to stop trying to be "right" or the "superior diet"...just find what works for your health and support others who are caring for their health, even if it looks different from your own journey.

[@pennylacombe4763]

Yes. I often tune Dr Berry out for awhile because he can get pretty culty sounding sometimes, which encourages me when I need that, but makes my life feel awful and boring to the gifts of food culture. I pace myself as to rules of engagement….. having once been lauded for my cooking and given many fundraisers for political entities….. food, to me, often is a beautiful thing…a gift. But that’s modern day culture and not the life saving meal making of my ancestors. So although I seldom leave my strict regimen, and that’s usually veggie pig outs, NEVER sugars. And carbs at 10-15 max daily and that seems to appease the chef inside me for months. I’m so happy Berry is here because I know he’s sincere and educated and subliminally cares about the likes of me ♥️

[@lauraa2877]

So sorry you’re suffering so much right now Wendy. I am no stranger to pain from inflammation, it helps me a lot too when I simplify my diet to the few things that won’t cause any problems. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. God bless you guys.❤

[@ErinHausen-qd6lr]

I appreciate that these two minds got together to have a respectful discussion on their different views and beliefs. These kinds of talks are crucial to share information and shed light on different ideas. I think Dr. Berry makes the most impactful comment when he says, “We are all just fumbling around in the dark.” I appreciate both points of view, they both have very good arguments. More importantly, I very much appreciate that these men and many more are using their expertise to keep fighting for the truth through all the lies we have literally been fed for decades. These talks have been invaluable to my own journey and I am grateful for it.

[@carnivoreessie]

I’m thankful that Dr. Berry stood on the Proper Human Diet! We need that!!

[@angelcasiano1999]

Dr. Saladino, you are a very healthy and extremely active man. Good for you! For folks like me extremely insulin resistant and, who gain weight by just looking at food, I listen to Dr. Berry. However, there are folks who get away with eating carbs. I know I am not one of them. Thank you both for doing what you are doing!

[@nanex_7726]

Exactly. The world is not black and white. I see comments bashing Saladino because he eats fruit. That is ridiculous. We need to be non polarized. Meaning we need to allow and remove some nuances related to our own needs.. i am carnivore, transformed my health. Now I also introduce some fruit at specific times of day and my health is as amazing on pure beef and fat..

[@Cenot4ph]

​@@nanex_7726 same, I can eat carbs fine and don't get cravings. I severely limit them, so I am actually in ketosis near 100 percent of the time. Not everyone can or should. Diets should be individual and apply general guidelines and principles

[@ThePallidor]

Watermelon eaten on its own isn't going to make anyone fat.

[@rafaelrocha5626]

yeap, i am the opposite of you, i'm 6'2 and i will easily drop to bellow 155lb without carbs, so if i need them in the diet i just use fruits and honey(only fruits with the least ammout of fiber that i can find), with pure carnivore my mental focus is still amazing, i'm very calm, no anxiety, my dermatitis was goone in two weeks, joint pain in the left wrist and both knees also gone,but i feel i little weak sometimes and it get's harder to sleep overtime, but for people with issues losing weight a pure carnivore should work best for sure

[@guentherschmidt3680]

@@nanex_7726 Well that's a really dumb opinion. Why let fact defying statements stand? Why give misinformation room to breath?

[@Tanya-lp6rq]

My dogs thrive on fruit and raw meat, organs and bones. Its called the no more vets diet.

[@dellzywillis3001]

Do you cook them a little or raw? I can't get past the raw. I cook a little so it's not raw and do boiled eggs. With some emu oil.

[@Joya-xq4vr]

@@dellzywillis3001 of course raw, do you see animals in nature cooking their food?

[@Tanya-lp6rq]

Bones should always be fed raw. Never weight bearing bones. Egg no problem raw. They rarely have cooked food. I might give them some of my cooked stew in winter, no bones then.

[@dellzywillis3001]

@Tanya-lp6rq thank you for sharing that.

[@dellzywillis3001]

@Joya-xq4vr well if they kill it. But from the store, i don't know how long it's ok or if it needs to be frozen first. 🙃

[@sylvielalonde8734]

Appreciate this conversation. Thank you gentlemen❤

[@tshegofatsothegreat]

In Southern Africa, wild fruits are available all year round. But they all have different seasons in the year where they are available. Summer fruits are found in trees, and winter fruits are found on shrubs and vines. As kids, we were taught never to pick fruits at wrong seasons as they may be poisonous and never to eat leaves of any plant. Goat meat and fermented cow dairy were our main staples. Green leaves were only used as topical medicine for wounds. Wild Sorghum was used to make alcohol, but women and kids were not to consume it, due to the fact we were to be fully alert at all time for survival. Eggs were a no-no for females who were at a child-bearing age. Many people lived to be over 120 years, and that was considered normal. I have now gone back to the real human dies "Carnivore," and I feel great😊. I do not touch any sweet tasting things as I am a sugar and carb addict. But my husband and kids are thriving on a mainly carnivour diet, and they eat fruits too as they still need some carbs for treats. Processed sugars and carbs are the main killers. Thank you for this conversation, and we look forward to seeing more educational content with great guest speakers to lead us back to reality.

[@eulalia3446]

Very interesting. Why didn't it matter if the men weren't alert from drinking alcohol? Why no eggs for fertile women?

[@Joshtheloserking]

need is a strong word. They don't need, they want.

[@kmontgomery3690]

Would love to know why no eggs too? I’m trying to heal my infertility after 7 losses and I’ve always eaten a fair amount of eggs.

[@ValerieJupe]

why were eggs a no-no? that's odd.. a lot of cultures specifically save eggs (and fish eggs) for pregnant and nursing women (then again, a lot also made special beer and wine for pregnant women as well)

[@ValerieJupe]

@@eulalia3446 right? seems like the men would be the ones you wanted to be the MOST alert

[@SeanTWright]

I love Dr Ken's complete honesty - that animal is "going to break out of the cage and eat the experimenter!" If you restrict calories! So true.

[@m007mm]

We should test all the diets on prisoners...

[@lilpoohbear653]

yes.

[@TonyMoze]

Such a good convo! Loved hearing every perspective of docs talking!

[@clanofrobertson2698]

Much respect for both of you! 🙏🏽

[@Mwilke3789]

I think the taste nature of our addictive SAD diet has made it impossible for some of us to ever go back to adding some honey or fruit back into our diets. We just can't seem to wire out of it. As of writing this I am baking cookies and pies for Thanksgiving dinner at my parents house and I have zero desire to eat them. But I also have been fat snacking all day to make sure I can handle being around the treats.

[@youssefrochdi1994]

Stay strong!

[@jimmckay2337]

I can empathize with you. I make many dishes that I will never eat, like pastas, and it doesn’t bother me at all. I will buy a donut for my son, who is skinny as a twig and healthy, and then just eat some bacon. Even today, my kid leans towards a ketovore type of diet. He knows it is healthy, but he finds it more delicious.

[@surlyjerk8031]

I’m eating all I want tomorrow. Straight back to carnivore the next day. When I was keto my “cheat day” turned into days sometimes weeks. After my monthly cheat day now, I can’t wait to get back to OMAD and meat. Easiest diet I’ve ever experienced.

[@jdxx59]

Absolutely- I’m a carb addict. Just like I was addicted to nicotine over 30 years ago, I cannot have carbs or nicotine ever again. Thankfully I no longer crave either. The only negative to carnivore for me is leg cramps during the night - every night. I’ve tried so many different electrolytes (waiting on an order from LMNT to try that). Tried to increase salt but am just not a great lover of it so I have to force it. Take ACV in capsule form as I just can drink it no matter how much diluted or flavoured. Any other ideas? I’ve watched so many videos on it. So I think I’ve had only one night of interrupted sleep in the last 7 months! Takes me back to baby night feeding times! Only I wake up in pain and don’t get a cuddle from a cute baby!

[@shelley4417]

@@jdxx59 try magnesium

[@horsenaturalbaby]

I went full carnivore and if I crave a fruit that is in season in my area, I'll try it. I ate mango from the tree and my body did well. Now that apples are in season I can eat an apple here and there without any reaction.

[@msmith1845]

my current view on fruit is if a person is healthy, active and not overweight a bit of fruit has got to be alright.

[@matuscorpo5478]

you sound like a real human being operating by natural instincts

[@UTAH100]

fructose is bad heather. it is very bad and mostly unnatural to our human diet.

[@SRTsoulsessions]

In season is definitely key! Yes 🙌

[@garymoore3446]

Great interview. Kudos to both of you and thank you!

[@dr.johnmadden8845]

Great conversation. Thanks to both of these amazing health pioneers.

[@pattyroberts2058]

My doctor tried to put me on Wegovy and the other one and I decided that that was not how I wanted to live... so I went straight carnivore for 3 months.. I dropped 58 lb all my numbers are great!! and I am so glad I didn't fall into... this drug will make you lose weight trap...

[@sarah2go]

Many years ago when I gave up smoking, I put on an unwanted fifteen pounds. Without consulting anyone, I cut out sugar and starch and the weight came off with ease, and without undue hunger stress. Now I know that was a low carb diet! Instinctively I knew what would work, and I can’t understand why it’s taking mainstream medicine to realise. Thank goodness for doctors like Ken Berry 🙏

[@tfrench4366]

I tried Pauls life style for four months. I ate fruit and honey everyday.i even bought four months worth of his liver and tallow tables. I was all in. I never lost any weight. I felt good but no weight loss. Several years ago i lost 50 pounds doing very low carb. 20 or less a day. Ive gone back to that and in two and a half months ive loss 25 pounds. So, for me super low carbs work best of me.

[@ubuandeyelbme]

This is such a great discussion. Thank you both!!

[@Geeza-rc9kz]

Dam ken is extremely clued up in this field, he makes logical points against all arguments

[@HowDidIGet3700Subs]

Being confident is not the same as clued-up. The most ignorant of us are the also the most confident. The opposite is also true; the most clued up are the least confident.

[@HowDidIGet3700Subs]

Being confident is not the same as clued-up. The most ignorant of us are the also the most confident. The opposite is also true; the most clued up are the least confident.

[@Geeza-rc9kz]

I didn't say confident, I said clued up. I also said he makes logical points ... Read it again and move on

[@HowDidIGet3700Subs]

@@Geeza-rc9kz I didn’t say you said confident, I said those who appear clued up due to their confidence are often not. Read it again and move on. X 💋

[@Geeza-rc9kz]

@@HowDidIGet3700Subs I also said he made logical points, given my reason why I said he's clued up, nothing to do with confidence ... Just move on you made a bad point.

[@countingdown5004]

When the real answer is to give up sugar in all of its forms, fruit and honey are out of the question. All carbs, means all carbs. We need to get over the love affair with all carbs. A clean break...like quitting smoking. You do not slip into chewing tobacco to satisfy your "needs". I gave up carbs in every form on August first. The pain of arthritis was crippling my life. I weighed 248. After three days of fasting with only water and beef, bacon, and eggs...the pain everywhere was fading away. I have been true to myself and have not cheated myself. I am now 202 lbs. And gettin around smoothly and pain free! I have not weighed this little for 40 years. In a short time I will be in the 100reds. I am 71. I even had to stop my hypertension medications. My BP is running 124/55 give or take a little three times a day. Arguing is pointless about honey and fruit. They are carbs. Years of both left me fat anc in pain. I choose Carnivore now. The brain washing about "healthy" diets is now over. The proof is on my scales and in my daily feeling great.

[@frankvalentich62]

Great video thank you both!!! ❤

[@Dalszielle]

Thank you for discussing human diet openly in different take because it’s very helpful. Great job👏🏻🌻

[@Leo-eb1wl]

I have to say on the fruit part of this, I work in the Amazon rainforest quite a bit, and have spent time with indigenous communities who live completely off the forest, and have done for thousands of years. They clear small lots of land and burn it then plant seeds they collect from around the forest ( they are called chagras) as far as I am aware they have no knowledge of selective breeding/grafting. Most fruit found in the Amazon isn’t sweet, however there are some exceptions. Amazonian pineapples are very sweet, another fruit called copoazu has a very sweet flesh. Neither of these fruits were modified or selectively bred. I think you are both right to a certain extent, most Jungle fruits lack sweetness and have high acid content. Acai 1g sugar , camu camu 2g sugar, agraz ( Andean berry ) 1 gram sugar Also honey consumed by most of our ancestors in the jungle was from melipona ( stingless bees ) they produce only a very small amount of honey, like 2-3 lbs per colony per year ( this honey has many anti-inflammatory properties. The honey bee which has been imported produce 40-60lbs of honey each year and the honey isn’t as beneficial.

[@branandubh]

Yes I think the tropical forest regions are an exception in terms of sweet wild fruits.

[@kbb8934]

Thank you for this. Very informative

[@fo1to]

Good arguments

[@vjmcheg5124]

Thank you for sharing. Well explained and educational. Appreciate it!

[@deanreeve5257]

Yep. My girlfriend is Samoan. This is their diet pre settlers: fish, shellfish, pork, coconut, green bananas and root vegetables. Nothing is sweet in the way we know it now. The shellfish is eaten raw, but everything else is cooked. However, imported food is now making them fat though.

[@CatCambak]

I’ve been carnivore for 5 yrs and added berries and honey into my diet over the summer. I gained 10lbs went into a super carb craving mode and working my way out finally by going back to carnivore and fasting. Only then did I look and feel optimal. I also have a history of PCOS and insulin resistance which carnivore cured. Maybe for those of us who are not athletes or have a prior damaged metabolisms adding in sugar in any form is not ideal. Paul Saldino is not the average person. He is a single man, no children, living in Costa Rica surfing for hours everyday and working out regularly. That should be the forewarning to his message. I think it’s a dial. More active and fit you are the more you can tolerate carbs and sugars, less active and athletic turn down the dial to none if needed. Go high fat lower protein to heal major illnesses. Most of us are in the middle somewhere. We need a graph because by and large all the carnivore doctors are right, depending based on the individual’s health and activity.

[@christinaelder9552]

I am an elite 800m middle distance runner who just did a podcast with Shawn Baker... and fruit was not good for me! I gained 7 pounds in one year and the only diet adjustment was I added fruit and honey to my carnivore diet. I started to get joint pain too which prompted me to try to take fruit and honey out again. within in a month I dropped 3 pounds and no joint pain. As active as I am .... it just doesn't work for me. I feel much better strict carnivore.

[@maddienikki5887]

Thanks for sharing I was going to add honey now I’d be more careful

[@psychzone494]

He isn’t single he has a girlfriend who sometimes comes on his podcast

[@Selwayliz]

I also tried adding honey 1 tsp and for watermelon. My glucose spiked and stayed up above 110 for a week. Weight increased 10lbs. I Wish fully I could have added these but... it's not healthy for me. I do however appreciate the intelligence and respect these doctors exhibit. Great debate!

[@aprilbattle5084]

I’m the same way. Adding anything sweet is dangerous and will send me into a blackout binge. I have the hardest time getting back on track after that. Honey and fruit is just a very bad idea for me.

[@gingervincent1969]

This talk is so incredible and certainly makes us think! I had Roux Y and struggle to maintain my vitamin and mineral levels. Only when I went carnivore have I been able to normalize my blood work. I hope to be able to add some fruits with seeds in them back into my diet soon, but right now I am working to get my RA in remission and so I am very limited. I loved this talk. They brought up many of my concerns.

[@JeffEmmersonSocialWork]

*Dr. Berry ALL the way.*

[@barbarawinsor5306]

All the way to an early grave. Primates (which we are) are plant eaters.

[@tanyasydney2235]

I love Paul's current diet. I was going rapidly downhill on carnivore. The addition of just a few carbs helped me tremendously. Better sleep, no fatigue, good digestion, regularity, better eyesight, and much more.

[@specialk2995]

Agreed. Me too, no more heart thumping and cramping in my feet. Just added some fruit back into my day for months now. My fasting insulin still low at 2.7 ulU/ml, C-Peptide serum 1.2 ng/ml, fasting glucose 88 mg/dl.

[@ebuka212]

@@BT-dl8kq ppl fall off carnivore when they don't take enough fat. When you start out on carnivore, you have enough fat for your body to burn thro. When your body has burned thro this fat, you must take in enough fat otherwise you fall off. You're replacing carbs with fat, not protein - that's the idea. If you eat 8 eggs fried in an excessive amount of tallow everyday, and dousing your meats in excessive amounts of butter; if you're eating butter, drinking ghee everyday; you'll do well on carnivore. It's a fat diet, not a meat diet

[@ebuka212]

@@specialk2995 ppl fall off carnivore when they don't take enough fat. When you start out on carnivore, you have enough fat for your body to burn thro. When your body has burned thro this fat, you must take in enough fat otherwise you fall off. You're replacing carbs with fat, not protein - that's the idea. If you eat 8 eggs fried in an excessive amount of tallow everyday, and dousing your meats in excessive amounts of butter; if you're eating butter, drinking ghee everyday; you'll do well on carnivore. It's a fat diet, not a meat diet

[@KevinSamuelsKid]

@@ebuka212Nahh fat does not seem to complete the diet for me. And I’ve eat a lot of fat. 73/27 ground beef cooked in tallow, lard, or butter for example. There was still something missing. I got that something from the addition of raw milk, honey, and some bananas (preferably ones that aren’t extremely sweet) I would contend that there is a place for carbohydrates and sugar in an optimum human diet. There’s a reason that fat, sugar, and sodium are the main ingredients that are utilized in ultra processed foods to make them extremely addictive. Think about that. Your body and brain wants those things for a reason. But everyone needs to pay attention to their instincts on this one

[@dreamofmermaids]

​@@BT-dl8kqbe careful adding nuts. Nuts and fiber contribute to diverticulitis

[@republicsaver5392]

I love and appreciate your content and contributions to educating those of us trying to understand a PHD. I'm a Newbie to the lifestyle so hearing constructive, informed dialogue is critical to understanding this radical change. It's necessary to hear BOTH sides in order to become comfortable with the radical shift in lifestyle and more importantly achieving a successful outcome. With that being said, it was difficult to get through these two hours with the number of times you spoke over and interrupted Paul. Again, I've invested a great amount of time absorbing the wealth of knowledge that you so graciously and willingly provide to those of us seeking better health. My apologies if this comes off as negative feedback only because that's truly not my intent. Again, thank you for all that you do! Blessings to you and your family good sir!

[@brianwalker1933]

Agreed 100%. I was quite disappointed in Ken with his inncessant interruptions and at times, damn rude of him doing this to Paul. Other than that, it was interesting, albeit difficult and annoying, trying to grasp and appreciate Paul's input of perspectives/opinions.

[@JohnVander70]

An enlightening congenial conversation, thank you.

[@adVANtageousCarnivore]

Went off carnivore over Thanksgiving and gained 15 lbs. Water retention. Muscles and joints hurt. All started with getting honey after watching Paul's videos. Spiraled.

[@MP-yh7jv]

You have to do what works for you. I think that some people do better full carnivore or even just super low carb. I have gone back and forth from one version of low carb/keto to not. I, personally, have found that low carb generally is easier for me to lose weight. However, now that I am between 12 to 15 percent body fat and trying to gain muscle mass, I do better adding the carbs via fruit around my workouts. Mostly carnivore most of the time.

[@Stuart.Branson.]

Honey is both fake (mostly) and toxic

[@adVANtageousCarnivore]

@@MP-yh7jv yes

[@Moresco24]

@@MP-yh7jv what carbs work for you ? I have a hard time keeping on weight with no carbs

[@MP-yh7jv]

@@Moresco24 I will do about 50 grams of carbs about and hour or so before I lift and 50 right after. Usually some fruit before. Some berries and an apple or some grapes. Then I will usually have some raw honey within 30 minutes after i am done. I still keep it somewhat lower carb. Under 100 grams on my lifting days and less on off days. Occasionally I will have some raw milk but not very often.

[@hadleymon1303]

I recently tried Pauladino’s diet. I’d forgotten about a tooth ache I had before starting the real carnivore diet. After 3 months Of carnivore I added a little honey and 4 days later the ache returned. I’m 52 and will have some coffee but mostly carnivore nowadays.

[@abelovedflame]

Same with me...a couple days with cards and/or fruit and a "chronic" jaw ache comes back @ the site of an old tooth removal.

[@jonathankuhn2180]

@@abelovedflame Whats the cards?

[@jonathankuhn2180]

Interesting, do you KNOW if the honey was raw or not? They say the number manuka honey is healing to teeth. I've had gum issues in the past, and I am drawn to carnivore to clear that out, a lot of people say carnivore heals the mouth. So I am avoiding fruit temporarily, but I would love to have some berries. In general I always feel carbs make me fat personally, and I dont ever eat plant/seed oils, I use to a long time ago when I was growing up and in my early 20s some. But I have never tried to make my carbs only berries or fruit. I do eat dairy, maybe giving that up would make me cut more. I am VERY active, outdoors, physical job, jog, and workout heavy, and my appetite is high, my body seems to like to be around 17 percent, I can get it to 9 with tons of intermittent fasting, running, and low carbs. But as I have gotten older and I feel stronger and more energy than most people I know, and I feel hearty, I don't care as much about not seeing my six pack, I tell people I am like a bear, tons of muscle, a layer of fat, and hairy, lol!

[@abelovedflame]

@@jonathankuhn2180 Typo...Meant to write "carbs."

[@jonathankuhn2180]

@@abelovedflame I realized that afterward, duh, lol. What opportune timing. So I have been dealing with bleeding gums and inflammation for years now(any suggestions). I have been going to a dental hygienist every three months. I tell them it is probably emotional, or diet related, or something is aloof, and they are closed minded, and tell me to floss more (omg, I do!) I told her I think it is interesting they do not inspect the rest of my health, or collaborate with a general practitioner, surely the body doesn't operate in segments. Any way, I have been doing a few new protocols, like oil pulling, and diluted hydrogen peroxide after my last visit over 2 weeks ago. I fasted for 2 days after cleaning to let mouth rest, and have been carnivore since. No bleeding, gums look great. Well 4 days ago I got raw honey, some pasturized milk(sugary), some strawberries, and some acorn squash, all according to carnivore md. The last two days my gums are bleeding, and a little red. So maybe if I gave it a few months to 6 months and fully healed it would be okay. But for some of us with different diseases going on, I think carnivore is the healing key. Hope this helps you or someone else!

[@isaquazi1939]

It’s true! I am an MD, I was following Saladino’s diet, I work out everyday, sauna for 1 hour everyday. After that diet I gained 20 ibs in 3 weeks. My belly is up like a pregnant guy 😂😂😂! I stopped drinking raw milk , still fat, now I have to stop eating fruits!

[@Lindableching]

That would be me for sure!

[@SamarArons]

Thank you gentlemen, great talk, very, very helpful. Dr. Saladino, chapeau 🎩for your patience with your fellow dr. Berry who means sincerely well but did not hunt with indigenous people in Tanzania as you did. You both have a slightly different perspective due to your heart felt responsibilities to each of your target groups, and these differences in opinion bring forth high quality frameworks for us listeners, to better position and understand our wonderful carnivore adventures with. So valuable, thank you so much both of you, for all of your sharing and ventilating all of your knowledge and experience. Truely wonderful.

[@Turbo2640]

Well surfing 3 hours a day -- or something -- is certainly ageing Paul Saladino pretty fast. Ken, on the other hand, is looking younger all the time!

[@dannyc9784]

LOL yeah definitely all the excess sugar. Even though Ken is I think 10+ years older he looks younger than Paul, in a few years Paul will look like Ken's Grandpa 🤣

[@amandanicole9899]

I would guess it's the sun exposure, hard to keep up with using sunscreen when your outdoors alot and especially if your in the water it would be easily getting washed off alot even if he was trying to use it. For an enjoyable, and healthy hobby that is good for physical and mental health...a bit of sun aging isn't much of a trade off though

[@leighkelly2161]

The problem with these very active and usually younger people who keep telling us carbs do not make you fat is that they are yet to ruin their pancreas and become insulin resistant. Most will suffer that fate eventually and if they are lucky they will live to spend the rest of their lives trying to correct their mistakes....

[@MrFetitzele]

Not only they are young , they are genetically gifted to stay slim and even healthier than others . It’s the same with many bodybuilders calories in and out plus steroids works for them , they have a low body fat percentage, they might be even healthy for some years but they do end up living less . There was a lady in Georgia that lived more than 134 years , at her 134 yo birthday she was smoking and drinking vodka 😂 and even dancing . We are not the same in any way !

[@leighkelly2161]

@MrFetitzele whenever a bodybuilder dies young their death is usually attributed to steroid use and abuse. Never is insulin resistance mentioned or even considered. They might tolerate a higher carb intake than most but as excess insulin is responsible for most ailments including heart issues I'd suggest they fall into the category of damaged pancreas and the inevitable insulin issues gets them or a good majority before it gets most.

[@rockpoppets6182]

Agree would like it if we spoke to Paul Saladino 10 years from now and see if he still thinks it’s ok to have 200g carbs from fruit and honey

[@rockpoppets6182]

Urghhh having to measure your carb intake. So we going back to watching how much you eat now, with carnivore we moved away from that stupid thinking.

[@leighkelly2161]

@rockpoppets6182 The way Paul Saladino changes his mind, I expect he'll be full on vegan in 10 yrs 😀 At least with Ken, you know he researches and lives the way he preaches. Doesn't just chase the newest popular angle 🤔

[@Cynthia_108]

You guys are preaching to the choir, I love listening to you! You both make so many valuable points, in spite of your minor differences. At the end of the day, you both want everyone to be healthy and happy.😊 I will happily share this video!👏👏👏

[@tby62]

So much respect for Dr Berry on this interview.

[@BuzzMoves365]

It’s nice to see two adults can have an intelligent, respectful conversation. Thank you

[@thebigfatfooooool]

Paul being a lot more respectful than Ken.

[@JaysonT1]

No matter how stupid it may be...

[@Angel283]

@@JaysonT1 Well you're here.

[@user-io8bm6gz5z]

@@JaysonT1 wow you really added to the conversation with that one lol

[@sO_RoNerY]

Intelligent? Lol. Dude he brainwashed you.

[@mikeward9870]

What a pleasure to hear two of my health gurus hashing out thoughts in a respectful and truth-seeking way. This is one of the huge benefits of our current technology and times.