Ep 45: Harnesses, Tethers & Jacklines

[@davidmalone9022]

I sailed with John Kretschmer once. His practice on clipping in is to run the tether from the harness to the jackline and then back to the harness. It shortens the throw and makes it nearly impossible to go over the lifelines. The added benefit is that you don't have the metal buckle clanking along the deck. I've found that to be very effective.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Hio David. Thanks fir the comment. That's very interesting. I have immense respect for John Kretschmer but if I'm honest I have to say I'm surprised that he would follow such a practice. It is universally considered hazardous when under load to have fabric on fabric contact. A tether should always be connected to a jackline via a metal clip. There is the potential for the fabric to chafe and melt when in direct contact under load.

[@davidmalone9022]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine Interesting. I'll have to ask him about that next time I see him. If I were to guess, I would guess that he would say that the risk of going overboard and being dragged is higher than the risk of chafe on the tether or jackline, given how infrequently we go forward and that the chafe that would pose a risk would be easily detected (unlike so many circumstances where chafe is hidden from us.) Just my guess. Thanks for the response. By the way, all my training was out of Shilshole. I have been looking at boats up in the middle reaches of Puget Sound (Anacortes, Port Angeles, etc.) If I end up buying a boat up there, I'll be sure to get in touch.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@davidmalone9022 Sounds good. Good luck

[@FredrikdeVibe]

Couldn't the chafe in this case be mitigated by using a carabiner either around the jackline or on the tether (centered)?

[@Misteribel]

I use the tether that has both 3ft and 6ft, which I find more secure because you're always connected, even when clipping to the next position. I try to use the short tether as much as possible, which has the same effect of agates suggested here: halving the length. In addition, when working at the mast (the usual reason to go forward), I clip onto the baby stay. This gives more vertical movement, while staying on the short tether. Especially when single or short-handed, it feels more secure, and probably is.

[@peterkadelbach7010]

Love the info and the way you also leave it up to the sailor to make the final decision based on the boat and conditions. Great information

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

My pleasure! Glad you found it helpful

[@RaphaelOertel]

I’ve heard the Y method is best. Keep the lines to the center as much as possible and tether short so you can’t go overboard at all. Great lessons, thanks.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the support

[@andrewbrown2063]

If you go too short your movement can be restricted. Also if is not always possible to utilise the centre line of the deck.

[@ORBEX]

I think in most cases going overboard single handed in rough weather, being tethered just ensures they recover your body more easily. Getting back in the boat is often next to impossible, especially in cold rough water. IMO If you are single handed being tethered should really only focus on keeping you IN the boat. On deck I’d focus on short tethers and extra pad eyes in areas where you likely need to work with one or more hands, ie at the mast or on the foredeck.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

I agree

[@doughoward6401]

In those conditions , maybe if you don't have to be out , don't.

[@andrewbrown2063]

Also it is advisable to add netting to the lifelines, even though a bit unsightly it can stop you slipping under the life line and out. The betting can also save winch handles, water bottles, phones and line slipping over if you are lucky. I had a moment in a blow at night on a shake down sail when a reefing line jammed and I was fiddling with it on a wet heel in deck and lost my footing, such that I was only holding on with my hands for a moment. I was hooked on above my head and would not have liked to find out how the harness, tether, rail, stations and my body interacted. I found my foot on a slippery tie rail and all was well. Netting next.

[@mickeydawson348]

On my 322 I use a 6' tether with jacklines up each side. After watching this video, I think I'll add a shorter tether, maybe 3', for use when going forward. As long as it's not too constricting, it should keep me on board if I fall.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Hey Mickey, sounds like a great plan. I was planning on getting a twin tether for a Trans Atlantic crossing but COVID put an end to that.

[@gardensofthegods]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine 7 months later I hope you are totally well now and not having any debilitation whatsoever

[@ATthruhiker96]

I'm a new boat owner too. Wife and I were greatly inspired by your journey to make the plunge and buy a boat. We're having issues with our raw water flow out the generator as well. We got a 1982 Morgan 462

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for watching. Trouble shoot from the source, check through hull fitting and work your way back to the generator checking all hoses and impeller

[@udothiel8009]

In the past I did not always agree to your suggestions or methods but here I agree a 100%. Well done!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you Udo. That’s very kind. Thanks for watching

[@matthewhigginbottom8328]

Thank you for another great video. Answers most of the questions that I had on teathers. I really appreciate all the work you put into this series.

[@gardensofthegods]

I always wondered about it also and you rarely ever really see any of these people tethered in most of the time in the yachting vids ... even the ones who are solo yachters .

[@roberthauser5635]

Thank you as always for this information. I really enjoy your video's. I'm moored in Blaine Washington.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Howdy neighbour! Thank you Robert. I appreciate the support

[@davidshipkiss]

Another excellent video Marco, thank you; I’m picking up a lot of useful tips. Webbing jack lines secured in the way you suggest will be a useful addition to my boat.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you David. I’m delighted you are finding the videos useful.

[@vancekeith5642]

Another excellent and informative video, thank you

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

So nice of you, thank you!

[@andrewarmstrong9724]

It’s probably worth mentioning that UV degradation will greatly weaken your webbing Jack lines over time if you rig them permanently, so replace them regularly.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks Andrew, Excellent point. Many people seem to be under the impression that nylon is not affected by UV. I only ever put mine on when I'm going to use them. I never leave them set up permanently. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@andrewbrown2063]

Yes only fit these as one of the final jobs before sailing, and removing them one of the first jobs after a passage.

[@XavierPil]

Great video but what is the point of the safety if you have to cut the line anyway? Because pretty much no one can be dragged in the water and climb back on.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

That is a very good point

[@alandb2481]

Exactly. Using a 6ft tether is pointless. Needs to be 3ft so you can scramble back onboard.

[@NearlyNativeNursery]

Another idea, Marco, is to loop your 6' tether around the jack line and back to your connection on the PFD. This would yield you a 2' 11" tether.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comments Jim. This suggestion however is a bad idea. Never have fabric on fabric contact when significant loads might be present. This is a very dangerous practice

[@jamessavage5894]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine I would suggest that that suggestion is not intending a fabric-on-fabric contact, so not 'dangerous practice', if the tether is terminated with a locking carabiner made of metal. Would you agree?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@jamessavage5894 👍

[@warrenthorp]

Your videos are great. I hope you continue making them.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

That's the plan! Thank you Warren

[@warrenthorp]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine As an aside, I've been trying to get a view of your stern. I've got a Moody 336 and am toying with the idea of fitting davits but I'm not really sure if it is big enough to have them (my dinghy is only 2.6m, so that's OK) but I can see that you do have a pair fitted and I think maybe your boat isn't too big either.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@warrenthorp If you want to send me your email address I can send you a shot of the stern of my boat. It's a 32' with a 10'6" beam. Your Moody should handle davits just fine. My dinghy is a 9' RHIB

[@daneulekowski929]

Excellent episode. I do believe the trailing of a long floating line with knots or loops every few feet is a good idea. I've heard of a person that was trailing their dinghy and able to grab on. Either way this is going to be a terrifying time, and maybe even should be practiced ( with other crew aboard ) like a man overboard situation. Thanks for putting this together Marco.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you for your comment Dane, I appreciate the feedback.

[@gardensofthegods]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine I just saw this video that was in the news and I wish you would weigh in on it because the 6-yr-old boy fell off of his Dad's yacht ... even though he had the flotation device on , he was very cold and both the boy and the kayaker are saying the father did not seem to hear them or be coming over to get him out of the water. This Hero Saves a Drowning Boy Left Alone in The Cold River ( on the DJ Hot Cue channel ) is the title of the vid . I'll continue in another comment .

[@gardensofthegods]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine can I assume that all yachts have an engine ? Watch what the father says about the wind ... I'm assuming the father should have just turned the engine on so he could catch up with the boy . Would you be able to watch that video and tell me what you honestly think ? I'm assuming the father should have had the boy tethered in . I really value your opinion on what happened . I don't know how close he was to getting hypothermia

[@gardensofthegods]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine Also the reason I'm asking is because I still don't know much about yachts and don't want to falsely assume the father could have stopped using the sails and just turned the engine on to catch up with the boy . Some people are suspicious of the father and think he deliberately was taking his time to get his boy out of the water . I would be grateful if you could watch that vid and tell us what you think

[@sailorstu]

Gardens of the Gods, I see you posted a question a year ago that was never answered. I suppose if you would have asked the question on the main comment section you might have gotten an answer earlier. I couldn't find the video, so this is based entirely on your questions. Most sailing Yachts do have a motor. No guarantee it runs but they have them. Even without a motor it isn't all that hard to tack or jibe back to pick someone up. Shoot we do man overboard drills with pretty much anything that floats. It isn't really the same thing, but if you can see a floating ball cap in 4 foot waves and retrieve it you should be able to see a child floating with a bright orange PFD. Glad the kayaker was there to help. As for the father. You will often find people on boats have tunnel vision. They only see what's immediately in front of them and nothing else. The rest of us have to watch out for them and take evasive action to avoid a collision. Plus it's almost hard finding a pleasure cruiser out for the weekend without alcohol stashed on board. These operators are often dipping into the stash before even launching and don't know when to quit.

[@RobertoGarcia-hf6bs]

To run the jacklines through the middle of the boat, I do a triangle with the base on the cockpit and the tip on the baby stay deck attachment. The base is about the size of the companion way’s width. The jacklines go beneath the bimini and around the mast base. I use these jacklines when leaving the cockpit. When in the cockpit, I clip to the steering pedestal, no need for jacklines. The only place I cannot reach with this setup is the genoa furler. For this I use an additional jackline that goes to the bow cleat and I use an extra short tether.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you for the comment Robert.It sounds like this works for you but for me I can't figure out how I would do that with the dodger in the way. Is that what you mean by bimini? I'm still not convinced that any system will guarantee that you will not fall off the boat somewhere on the boat

[@RobertoGarcia-hf6bs]

​@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine Hi. Yes, sorry, wrong word, I meant the dodger. Got to work on my English :-) Anyways, actually I do not need to pass them beneath the dodger either. Now that I remember (I am not on the boat at the moment), the jacklines stay forward of the dodger, just tangent to it. I use the part of the deck on which the mainsheet car is attached as the base of the isosceles triangle formed by the jacklines. Forward of the mast, I have a baby stay and I use its attachment to the deck as the forward vertex of the triangle. So, the jacklines form an isosceles triangle with a small base (the width of the companion way), which is what I need so that the two long sides lead forward toward the vertex while staying close to the center line of the boat. This prevents me from falling overboard. have a Beneteau 361, maybe it is possible in my boat and not in others.

[@chrisgorman2717]

Thanks for the info. Top tips 👍

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks Chris. I appreciate the support

[@dutchflats]

Great video, priceless information....Thank you!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you Dutch Flats. Very appreciated!

[@mikesimons1544]

Thanks, about to join 3 others for St Thomas to Hampton for first time, and you helped a lot.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Glad I could help!

[@conallocuinn407]

Very helpful and comprehensive. I learnt a lot.

[@grantpedder7719]

Thank you, well presented and informative.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you Grant. I appreciate the support.

[@ctndiaye1]

I just bought my climbing webbing. Thank you for the information.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Very good. Thanks for the comment

[@borys2767]

Why not attach the jackline to the handrail 1/2 forward to the bow? This would prevent stretch of the jackline if you went over. As far as the tether goes would it be wise to have a tether just long enough so you can stand and walk along the boat? i.e. when you use a jackline in a piece of platform high lift equipment it is there to stop you from falling off the platform due to restricted movement so you are not able to fall off in the 1st place due to its length. But great presentation with lots of ideas for my jackline install. Thank you.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Borys. There are short tethers available like the one I link to in the description, but the problem is that the anchor point is low and always will be. The only way to prevent one from going over the side is to be suspended from above and I just don't see anyone coming with a common, universal system that would work practically. Until then it is up to the individual to understand that solo sailing is high risk and if one is not able to accept the risk then don't sail solo.

[@stevefisher6708]

hi Marco, have you ever heard of running the jack lines outboard of the lifelines? I saw a talk by a Bluewater sailor, who said if you go overboard this way, the jackline allows you to slide all the way back to the stern where you can board safely

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Hi Steve, I've never heard of that but it does sound like a pretty good idea. It's interesting how some people think so far out of the box. Thanks for sharing.

[@stevefisher6708]

hi Marco, me again. Any reason to not use dyneema for the harness tether?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@stevefisher6708 Not that I can really think of. I've not heard of anyone using Dyneema for a tether and I can not advise you on how to tie it or which knots to use. The industry standard is a properly sewn webbing tether.

[@37Takes]

I wonder if tether with a loop or two either knotted into the lines or sewn in as a feature to make climbing easier would be a good idea. I could never, probably even on the dock, pull myself up with only a thin line to grab onto.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Could be something to think about. I have heard of offshore sailors who trail a line behind the boat in cast they fall overboard. Having been dragged by a 16’ Hobie Cat I’m not sure that it would work though

[@killerguppy2988]

Lots of really good advice and instruction. I definitely learned a thing or two. I've also done a lot of solo sailing, and solo rock climbing, and there are a lot of similarities. Climbing rope or webbing is definitely a good option, but you need to be careful with how you tie and dress webbing knots; you can't always use the same knots as normal climbing rope or sailing line or you risk it slipping. I also wonder why they don't have magnetic release clips like the Black Diamond Rocklock Magnetron carabiner. They are locking, strong, and can be opened under tension.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment. I am not familiar with the carabiner you mention but in my experience most of the gear from the climbing world does not do well in the salt water.

[@debdoyle119]

Good overview. I like the kong double harness for passages. Much more secure. You are never not clipped in.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks Deb. I like those Kong tethers too. I will post a link in the description.

[@WillN2Go1]

Good video. Many useful tips. Thank you. I have the Spinlock offshore and a Mustang. To make a crotch harness for the Mustang I used about 9' of webbing. One end I sewed into a loop. This attaches to the Mustang belt with a carabiner. the strap then runs under my leg and up through the back of the vest then down under the other side. For this end I use a double overhand knot and another carabiner. The only possible downside is it's too strong a system. (Buying one is over $100 and it's clearly not worth more than about $7) I'd hate to have to rely on cutting through webbing in an emergency with cold numb fingers. Spinlock keeps the webbing cutter coated in plastic- this is against corrosion. If that came off ( you used the cutter for something) I'd make sure that blade was as sharp as possible and then I'd dip it in Plastic Dip. Stainless steel has a way of getting corroded, even slightly and losing any edge.) For a Jackline - great advice. If you get the right type of webbing (easy to find) it'll have those mountain climbing weight numbers. It's not that expensive, it's easy to sew (Just about any sewing machine because what your machine is really doing is pushing a ball headed needle between the fibers. I've got a $300 Janome and it does just great) or you can tie overhand double knots. But look these things up don't just trust me. The X thing.... I think you covered it. On a boat like yours what I think I'd do is run the jacklines like you did it first, and then I'd run two more lines up along the handrail, and in rough seas use that as a handrail. The dodgy areas are always the gaps between handrails. Webbing is so inexpensive (I'll bet I have at least 500' in various sizes (and colors)) it's a why not just do it? The clip in or not. I'm also a sea kayaker. We wear our pfds all the time. The USCG has statistics that most people who die in boating mishaps drown, and 70% of them are not wearing life jackets. The rule is that a life jacket is in reach. The stats seem to indicate people who end up in the water weren't able to grab a life vest. So clipping in? Just seems like a make a rule and then just always always follow it. (I wore my pfd for every single basic sailing lesson whether I had to or not. When I'm on my boat I'll still look like a nerd.) Steeplejacks always use two safety lines and do not release one until the other is clipped - so they are never ever unclipped. (Sorry to go on so long) I had the thought that to climb back on board maybe tie a loop in the tether, it's easier to hold onto a loop than a piece of straight webbing . But this would shorten the tether and what's the best spot for that loop? and the loop catches onto every nubbin on your deck. Do they make ascenders for webbing? One of these on your tether right next to where you clip in would keep it out of the way, but reachable. Then you would just slide it along the line and pull yourself up. (once you got some length between you and the ascender you can use that as a step. I've got a lot of experience with hypothermia growing up in a cold wet place. It always degrades your ability to use your hands faster than you can possibly imagine. If like me you get cold hands and feet - this can happen in less than a minute. The shivering? That happened to me in less than 15 minutes in 70 degree (22C) water on a sunny California day air temp 75 (25C). (I've swum two miles in colder conditions wearing only a Speedo. Not swimming is very different.) You want to wear the gear, take all the precautions and 15 -30 years from now be able to say, "I never needed to use any of this." Also the way people die wearing a pfd is they get hypothermia, their head drops into the water and they drown. Happened to a friend of mine - sunny day, couple hundred yards off a beach. One thing something like wearing a pfd and keeping a hand on a rail or clipping in does - that no one says - it puts you into a safety frame of mind. Set your rules and then live by them. I once drove to the beach and then discovered I'd forgotten my pfd. I was just going to escort some ocean swimmers no more than 100 m from the beach. Rules is rules. I drove home and got it. Before I launched I'd driven almost 100 miles. But I'd proven to myself that I follow my safety rules. Hope this hasn't been too crazy.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I appreciate your time and support.

[@WillN2Go1]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine You're very welcome. I really appreciate your digging deeper into these topics on your channel. When I got my Musstang the leg straps were an expensive option. My experience immediately raised the question - how does it lift up in the water? It was pretty awful. Most people won't know to consider this. Also, the MOB practice I've done in classes is completely inadequate to doing it for real. Pulling a full sized person back on board is a serious physics challenge that until you have experience doing it it's going to be really really difficult. (I've done house construction and taught physics - the tricks are amazing and better than strength. All the best framing carpenters I've known are my height 172cm or shorter. Four of us once lifted a 15 ton house to insert an extra story - we didn't lift it with our arms. And we didn't figure it out as we did it.)

[@Relay300]

Very helpful video, thanks

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

You're welcome! Very kind comment. Thank you

[@seanmullin4181]

I like the idea of running the jackline outside the life lines so you end up behind the boat. However, I wonder if having two loops in the tether would allow a self rescue. One loop to pull yourself up with, and the other to step your foot into. This would been akin to a crevasse self rescue with use of a prussic loop. I'm not sure if carrying the loop in the line while onboard could cause any trouble by getting accidently hooked on something?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

It’s all worth considering but ultimately I feel that the only right answer is don’t fall off even if clipped in

[@BusyBob6971]

Excellent video.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you very much!

[@patrickw8302]

Nice Video! Saves Lives

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Happy to help!

[@nealrosenholtz7116]

Enjoyed this video. Good information that I have not been exposed to yet. Hope to be able to single hand some day

[@nealrosenholtz7116]

I like how you share other views

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you Neal! I hope so too! No reason that you won't be able to. My next video is scheduled for Jan 1 and will cover gybing single handed.

[@deroux]

I would also add that leg loops are important on harnesses. Don't forget to use them.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Agreed!

[@TimothyCarswell]

I really like your videos and I have question about something here. If you go overboard when wearing a harness and you can't pull yourself up and back onto the boat, then what's the point of wearing it? It seams like a jackline and tether would just get in the way and a hassle and would be better to just plan to use a PLB on your life vest.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thats a great point Timothy and kind of the point of the video. There is an awful amount of misinformation out there. It is remarkable the amount of comments I've received telling me that if I used a shorter tether that I wouldn't go over the side. Single handing is risky and just like survival storm tactics there is no one right answer. The best I can ask is for the individual to have the best info at hand and make decisions based on that. I dont disagree with you but personally if I was offshore single handed I would have an inflatable PFD with harness and tether on the off chance that I would be able to pull myself back on board but if not then I would have a PLB as backup. The other main point I was trying to make in the video is not to trust gear. Move around safely and only rely on gear as an absolute last resort.

[@david78212]

Great safety point about single handed, I've seen people (and videos of people) single handed with no tether. If you are using an autopilot, your boat is gone. One very big consideration, the easier it is to rig, the easier it is to come disconnected when you're in the water because you have fallen overboard. I 100% disagree with using a snap-shackle for a jackline. It's way too easy for them to unsnap by accident. You are out in the water all by yourself, think about just how safe you want to be. Autopilot is overused, it's great for doing things while singlehanded, but it takes away the boats one safety feature, actually turning away so the sails don't provide any power when you do fall over and stopping the boat so maybe you can get back onboard. Autopilot WILL ensure the boat goes away.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for your comment. I agree 👍

[@bybeka1]

Awesome explanations, thanks a lot!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

You are welcome! Thank you

[@hellobobdavis]

Great information and demonstration, Marco. I have a spinlock deckvest and had heard that the hook knife provided will not cut a tether (especially with the protective cover on). I had also heard that it's challenging to cut a tether with a knife while hanging overboard and the tether tight against the hull. I tested my knife and spinlock hook knife on dyneema line and they failed to cut. So I purchased a Gill Harness Rescue Tool Knife MT011 and it performed to my satisfaction cutting the same dyneema line. But I haven't tried it on an actual tether. Any thoughts? Would be great to see a video actually testing the performance of a knife and hook knife while simulating hanging over the side of a boat.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the feedback Bob. I’ve never tried the Spinlock cutter but have to say that I was skeptical so not surprised to hear that it doesn’t work well. I’m not familiar with the Gill tool you mention but will add a link to the description. Dyneema is always a challenge. The best knife for cutting Dyneema is ceramic. You can see a ceramic knife and a serrated rigging knife cutting Dyneema in this video (18:13 min in). A video demoing cutting tethers would be great. Something to add to the list for next summer.

[@NearlyNativeNursery]

Great video. I recommend a much shorter tether. One that will not allow you to reach the toe rail.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Unfortunately that is not always possible. Even with a 1 foot tether which would be completely impractical there are times when the jackline is beside the toerail. A short tether on a jackline does not prevent you from falling over the side in all cases.

[@alandb2481]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazineYou need to stop arguing with people who recommend a shorter tether. The 6ft tether you demonstrated is much too long for single handed sailors. The tether is pointless if you enter the water and have to cut yourself free. I’m an RYA cruising instructor.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@alandb2481 In no way, shape or form am I arguing against short tethers. I completely support the use of short tethers as well as dual tethers. The premise of my video was for individuals to understand the limitations and decide what is right for them and their particular situation. Tethers are not infallible. In my opinion your advice is extremely dangerous because you are telling people to use short tethers with the claim that this will prevent them from falling overboard. This is completely false and misleading information. A short tether DOES NOT guarantee that a sailor will not go over the side in all situations. If jacklines are led forward on the outside of the cockpit, no matter how short the tether or how tight the jacklines there is the possibility of going over the side and being dragged. The same with clipping into a jacklines right forward on the bow, especially with low freeboard boats. You might suggest to lead the jacklines up the middle or centreline of the boat yet this is not possible on all boats ie. boats with dodgers over the main hatch forcing crew to leave the cockpit to go forward. The reality is that tethers and jacklines are a fallback with no guarantees. The main point of my video is that the safest option is to stay on the boat by moving safely, not rushing and paying attention to where you put your feet. One hand for you and one for the boat. If you happen to go over the side, short tether notwithstanding, people need to know what their options are and to have contingency plans. I’ll say it again, tethers and jacklines CANNOT guarantee to keep a sailor on the boat under all circumstances, short or not.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@alandb2481 The video is not specifically targeting single handed sailors but is a general discussion on the pros, cons and limitations of tethers and jacklines. I am in no way shape or form arguing against short tethers unlike your dangerous claims that a short tether will guarantee to keep one on the boat. A short tether certainly has its place, especially when singlehanding and while it does stand a greater chance of keeping one on the boat in some circumstances, it in no way guarantees that one will NEVER go over the side all circumstances.The point of my video was to promote safe and prudent movement on the boat as the first line of defence against going overboard and that no matter what there are limitations to tethers short or long. In the event of going overboard while tethered one has to have contingency plans. Even with a short tether it is IMPOSSIBLE to completely prevent one from going over the side everywhere on the boat. Most sailors lead their jacklines forward, running them on the outside of the cockpit coaming since it is impractical to run a single jackline up the center of the boat. This situation is only one of several scenarios where one could go over the side even on a short tether. If one was to go overboard while leaving the cockpit there is a chance of going over the side, even with a short tether. Also right forward at the bow, especially on a boat with low freeboard. So I'lll say it again. There is NO WAY of guaranteeing that a tether (short or otherwise) will keep you on the boat under all circumstances and your claim that a short tether will is extremely dangerous advice.

[@boom2it171]

Shorten the tether by going around the jackline and clipping back onto yourself/d rings, shortening your tether by half. God forbid you do go over you at least have a fighting chance of getting back on board instead of dragged through the water. Another idea is lessening the slack in the jacklines by tying down at one or two points along it's length, you will have to unclip to get past tie down point, or buy a tether with two clips or just use two tethers. Love your videos, great info

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment and for enjoying my videos.

[@halomaniac74]

I know this is probably a stupid question but: Why make the tethers 6' Long? Wouldn't the slack from the Jacklines and a 3' tether keep you from going overboard while giving you enough slack to do things?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Good question. Not sure why 6’ but 3’ with d SF lack in jacklines doesn’t guarantee to keep you in the boat either. Everything is a compromise 😉

[@halomaniac74]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine After watching your video I went and ordered the 2 in 1 tether. I figure at least the 3' would keep me out of the water. Thanks for the great video!

[@ellingwood1]

I rig my boat with the same webbing and in the same manner. I use two tethers. Long and short.Added port and starboard cleats so the webbing runs a couple inches aft the wheel with a fixed loop that I clip on. Call me paranoid, but I'm not going over.. Great video by the way.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you. Good info, I agree

[@southface06]

Good tips, but I don't get the final part. In the man overboard scenario, you instructed how to cut the harness, use a PLB, etc. It almost seemed like cutting the harness was the main option? I strongly advise single-handled sailors to practice climbing aboard under controlled conditions (with crue mates). Also to set up alpine aiders and practice using them. Without being proficient in getting back into the boat, staying clipped is quite pointless for a single handler.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

You make a good point. The point that I was trying to emphasize is to rely on the tether only as a last resort and that going over the side you might not be able to get back on, at least from my point of view

[@ctndiaye1]

Thanks for the information. I plan to add jack lines next season. I've never worn a harness/tether before. You mentioned a 3 foot option for the tether. Would the 3 foot work with the x figuration?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you for the kind comment! I really dont think anything would make the x configuration work. The 3 foot tether will do a better job at keeping you on the boat regardless of jackline configuration

[@anthonyrandazzo4728]

Great video! Love the suggestion of the climbing webbing 4400lbs. Do you have a link to where you purchased it? So many options, not sure what to get. In addition, I am unable to click the "bell" for your notifications, is it my end or yours? Thank you.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you for the very kind comment Anthony. If you’re in the US try REI. I got mine in Canada at MEC. Not sure about the bell. I will look into it but no restrictions from my end. Thanks for support.

[@anthonyrandazzo4728]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine thaNK YOU

[@petermartinovic1417]

Very useful!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks Peter. I appreciate it.

[@bronekgober4238]

Thank you!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

You're welcome!

[@TheTonny1310]

Ohhh. Now I'm getting into trouble. I don't use a safety line, when I have to move forward or backward on the boat I have them and can use them to secure me in the cockpit, or on the deck, but back and forth they are too much in the way. You must always have control of the line and be careful not to fall into it. Then I'd rather have both hands to hold on. But I have 20 meters of orange floating line with a small fender at the end that I can put out from the boat. It is set up in such a way that if there is a rough pull in the line, my autopilot is deactivated. The boat will then go up into the wind and probably also go over the stay and lie reasonably still. I've tried it in practice and can easily catch the line and it doesn't take that much force to hold on if you're just lying on your back. Should everything go wrong, I still have my PLB. I'd much rather bet on this than a safety line that gets in the way and requires me to release the boat with one hand to steer the line. And if I fall overboard and hang on the side of the boat, I am not much happier than if I had simply fallen into the water. So I rather bet on having both hands available on the boat and good places to hold onto the boat. Next, my float line, which also disengages the autopilot. Finally there is my PLB.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

I like it. Well thought out 👍

[@personalbest849]

Why not double the tether back to your harness, effectively halving the length? If the system is not going to keep you on the boat, what is the point (if solo)? I would also employ the same concept while resting in the cockpit. Attaching the tether to the jackline (as demonstrated) leaves way too much slack and potential for MOB if a knock down or wave swamped the boat. Thanks for the video and kick starting the discussion.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Personal Best. Once again it's just not practical, even a short tether still does not guarantee that you will not go over the side somewhere on the boat. As I mentioned in the video the only way to prevent going over the side is to be suspended from above or tied in on a short tother to a hard point on the centreline of the boat. The biggest problem with doubling the tether is that you have cloth on cloth contact and the friction could chafe or melt the material. You must always be clipped into a jackline or hard point with a purpose built clip. The double tether mentioned in the description has a 3 foot tether which is the way to go if you want a short tether. The problem is that there are vulnerable spots on the boat, such as the side deck when leaving the cockpit that have you close to the edge of the boat and exposed. It's simply a risk that you have to be ready to accept if you want to sail solo in heavy weather. Ig]f you cannot accept that risk then don't sail single-handed. Problem solved.

[@dressler37]

Perfect! I was about to toss my 8 foot zodiac that came with my boat as a dinghy. Where does a guy find that little roller gadget? What’s it called?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Not quite sure what little roller gadget you're referring to. Which video and at what time in the video?

[@dressler37]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine that was a comment meant for another channel I was watching on fixing zodiac dinghy. No idea how it ended up here.

[@DougRutherford1]

A point to add into your video would be to not use a line in place of webbing. A line is easy to step on and roll your foot and fall.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment. Very good point.

[@Goin_on]

most boats built in the last 20 years have a sugar scoop ... or you can have a folding boarding ladder mounted with a rope to unfold .. as someone who has fallen overboard I have thought this out...lol

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Matt. That sounds like tit was an adventure

[@richardhall7822]

About to buy safety tethers for the new boat and this is invaluable advice. Thanks 🙏

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you Richard! Glad it was helpful!

[@nebojsakatic4716]

I tried to recognise your boat, but could not… first 310 beneteau... Am I right? If not, can you please share what is it? Thanks a lot!!! 👍

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Its a 1989 O'Day 322 built in Fall River, Massachusetts. The last year they were made.

[@iancameron3970]

My friend and skipper Robin who circumnavigated lost a crew member overboard crossing the Atlantic. She grabbed the Walker Log’s line (old-fashioned knot meter) and despite mangled fingers held on and was rescued. A trailing line Is worth considering offshore.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Wow! That’s wise a story. Thanks for sharing.

[@tlgibson97]

I don't understand the X method either. Simpler to do it the regular way and always clip into the high side.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks Tracey. Totally agree

[@deroux]

A shorter leash is an option if they give you enough room to move around. Your leash looks too long for that boat. Another suggestions is If someone goes over on the leward side, tack immediately to pull them out so they aren't dragging in the water.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

There is no tether short enough when leaving the cockpit and travelling along the side of the boat

[@frankvanasten6403]

Why not use high lifelines, as demonstrated by Mahina offshore services, with a short teather?

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Frank. In my opinion it's just not practical for everyone. Mahina is a big boat. Not all boats or owners are willing to incur the cost. It's also a matter of practicality short tethers can be difficult to use and even a short tether on a high lifeline does not necessarily prevent one from going over the side.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Do you have a link to the Mahina demonstration you mention. I would love to check it out.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Fom Practical Sailor "World sailing offers fairly explicit expectations regarding jackstays. And PS offer its own additional advice, including one that recommends jacklines ideally be installed so that a sailor who is clipped in can’t go over the side (see Jackline Installation Advice, November 2015). This is not always possible, especially on monohulls. In most cases, the chest-high lifeline on Mahina Tiare will keep above water the head of the person who is overboard"

[@frankvanasten6403]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine it is on their november 10th and the next few facebook posts.

[@andre1987eph]

Probably keep alcohol off the boat as well. I broke a couple toes in past few years just walking around my tiny apartment barefoot after 2 beers. You lose caution when you''re buzzed. 🤷🏼‍♀

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you. Excellent point.

[@dougfitch3649]

X on jacklines works by crossing it just aft of the mast BUT the reason it works is because you can use a two arm tether.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks Doug but the problem still remains that at some point along the length, usually at the cockpit, the jack lines are close to the edge of the boat. There is no possible way of guaranteeing that one will not go over the side somewhere on the boat in spite of crossing jack lines and short tethers.

[@tomaskryan]

Great information. It seems to me that your blue tether should be no more than 3 feet long, and certainty not 6 feet, that is way too long. The objective is to not fall overboard in the first place. I think it is fair to assume that dragging in the water on autopilot is death, even more so if you have to release and swim away. The PLB is to find your dead body. When sailing solo, overboard is death, tethered or not. Anyway, that is how I approach it. Thanks for all those great videos!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Not always practical. Short tethers are available but industry standard is the 6 foot tether. Personal choice as I said in the video. I agree that the objective is to not fall over in the first place which is why I emphasized so strongly all the other precautions. For me a tether is an absolute last resort. Solo sailing is a choice. If one cannot accept the risks associated with solo sailing then don't sail solo. The only way to remove all risk is to not sail solo.

[@tomaskryan]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine I agree with everything you say here. Maybe the answer here is one should use the shortest tether that is practical. Thanks for the videos!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

@@tomaskryan That sounds good to me. It is interesting that the only short tethers available are twinned with a 6'. I did consider getting a double tether for a bluewater passage I was supposed to go on (thanks for nothing COVID) I will look into the availability of short tethers. Check out the to links I posted in the comments from Practical Sailor. I think you will find them interesting.

[@tomaskryan]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine Ok, I see the Kong Double Tether, that looks perfect! I also use a short double tether when it gets really rough, then there is never a moment where you are unclipped during a transition between two attach points. I'm from the rock/ice climbing world, and we do that up high. Thanks for the info!

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

A couple of excellent links from Practical Sailor that answer a lot of questions www.practical-sailor.com/blog/jackline-installation-tips www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/the-pros-and-cons-of-chest-high-jacklines

[@petertaylor8922]

The purpose of the Tether is to stop you going over board,,,, therefore the Jack line should be positioned close to the Centre line of the vessel, Wearing a PFD is to stop you drowning if you fall overboard....yet it's import to practice MOB maneuver to get you back to the person & know how to get to the person back on board.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

No it is not. No tether on the planet can absolutely prevent you from going overboard. No tether will stop you from going overboard in all situations. It is impractical to run the jackline down the centre of the vessel. MOB is not much help when single handing. There is no perfect system. One must plan for contingencies.

[@NearlyNativeNursery]

Also it seem a double tether with a one 2' and one 3' or 4' is a superb away to get ones self back in the boat if they fall or washed over as you can pull your self up and clip one rest the pull up again and clip the other to higher or further in board attachment point creeping your way up and in. Another way to aid one self or crew is to tow a paddle board on a strong line a 100-200' behind the boat. lets please admit it, there no chance to pull one self back to the sailing boat or against a current if the boat rounds with weather helm. It is simply physical impossible. But with my paddle board towing option, one could catch the line and swing up unto the paddle board great reducing one brag. They could pull themselves back to the boat or a crew would have a much easier time bring the individual back to the boat with M/COB with the greatly reduce drag weight. Even at 4 knots it impossible to pull one self as the PFD tries to drown you.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Jim. I have frequently heard the theory of towing a line or in the case of your comment a paddleboard. Personally I choose to use a different philosophy to make sure I do not fall off the boat regardless of a tether or not. The tether is an absolute last resort. For me I like to keep things as simple and uncomplicated as possible. Towing a line or paddleboard, especially in heavy seas is a huge liability in my opinion.

[@rb239rtr]

A shorter tether would be handy

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

I believe that I mention a shorter tether in the video

[@markgillson8096]

I have read accounts of people who have gone overboard while tethered and they speak of getting drowned while being dragged through the water at 5 knots or more. There would be very few people who would have the strength to pull themselves back on board, especially in cold wet clothing and life jacket. Jacklines on the decks do nothing to prevent this. I am trying to come up with a line running down the centre of the foredeck, one between the dodger and the mast and another between the mast and the bow. The system needs to prevent you from ever going over the sides. Perhaps a shorter tether is the answer as well. I don't understand why yacht builders don't install attachment points down the centre of the boat for such a thing, when it is a fundamental piece of safety gear. Its like automobiles being sold without seat belts. I tie a boom preventer through the forward cleat on the deck and back to the cockpit. Having jackines tied around the cleat will prevent this. Again, the manufacturers really need to engineer this important safety consideration into their boat designs.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Mark. I hear what you are saying but in my opinion it's not the responsibility of the manufactures. The problem of staying on the boat is an impossible one to solve. I'm sure that if there was an easy solution it would be available. It is not as easy as putting seat belts into cars. The situation is far more dynamic with many different people and boats. Like any high risk scenario it is up to the individual to decide if they accept the risk. If not then don't sail solo.

[@andre1987eph]

Don't you only drown once?

[@cindythorn3212]

there's no way I would disconnect myself from the boat I would just let it drag me, at some point the boat will do something like fall out of favour with the Wind

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

That may not be entirely correct. If you have an autopilot the boat may continue for a very long way and if you're being dragged face first you will have drowned long before the boat falls out of favour with the wind. Having said that if this was to happen to you (God forbid) letting it drag you is your choice.

[@MightyAA251]

Curious; I do roofs. We use rope grabs. Rock climbers do too. Basically they grab the lifeline so you don't fall more than the length of your tether which is clipped to the grab rather than the line itself. You could even do a prusik knot, clip in and slide it along your lifeline. With two, you can even climb and self-recover.. a video on using two prusik knots to ascend a rope. Not sure what wet conditions do though for the bite. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKTGoZeHa8uWhrM

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

I use a prusik loop sling as a back up for going up the mast and I did save someone from a nasty fall by using one. Not sure how well they would work trying to get back on a boat in rough weather. Best not to go over the side in the first place.

[@NearlyNativeNursery]

just my thought. A 2' tether max 3' seems all one needs. A 6' tether seems to give one far too much freedom for wanting to stay on the deck.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

The twin tethers 3 and 6 might be an option for you then ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=13918&gclid=CjwKCAjw9NeXBhAMEiwAbaY4lrnkUX7UWnfWJus7Pd1bgzZQDvS_s4M3EpqDXE54pYOpOnX5DXQZVhoCAEUQAvD_BwE

[@maarten_notjustagrip]

Food for thought, thank you. As a Key Grip and Rigger in the film industry, I think cats tails and hard clip in points are the way to go, with the length of the tethers only long enough to keep you against the side, rather than around the stern and dragging, out of reach of the boat, should you fall overboard. With a little planning and practice you can move very quickly and stay safely clipped on 100% of the time. Jacklines dont make me feel safe. Eyebolts and climbers bolting plates are more my style.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for sharing!

[@HasanWarrior]

This was an outstanding video but shouldn’t the tether be to keep you in the boat, not if you fall in the water? Seems to me that it’s too long. Every video seems to want it long in case you fall in the water. If that’s the case, you’re being dragged. I just need some clarification.

[@harbourdogNL]

9:29 regarding the various ways of rigging jack lines, Marco, what is your opinion of this method? Seems sensible to me, but I'm no expert, so I'd be interested in a skilled sailor's opinion of it's plusses and minusses. kzbin.info/www/bejne/goSTZ3SBm66ef80 Thanks for your videos, they're very educational.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the question Harbour Dog. I have had subscribers mention this video in the past. The biggest problem is making a loop out of the tether and using that on the jackline. This is a very dangerous practice as fabric on fabric, especially nylon can melt under tension. Buy a properly designed commercial tether with proper fittings. With regards to his running the jackline around the mast this is certainly an option and I tried it on my boat but it does NOT guarantee that you will not fall off the boat. He demonstrates how secure he is at the mast but anywhere else on the boat he would be over the side so he is providing misleading information. Further the crossed jacklines work for him because he does not have a dodger. As I mentioned in my video there is no perfect system and it is impossible to guarantee that you will not fall off the boat somewhere on your boat. Jacklines are part of your risk management chain but should only be one of many practices that you should follow. For me the jackline and tether is a last resort. Far more important is to stay on the boat by moving carefully around the boat, minimizing the need to go forward, one hand for you, one for the boat, keeping your weight low and so on.

[@harbourdogNL]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine Thanks for your reply, those are all good points that you're making. Currently doing a Day Skipper course so of course watching a lot of KZbin and seeing various methods for just about everything! Wishing you a Happy Canada Day from Petty Harbour, Newfoundland.

[@rogerhector582]

Run it down the centerline of the boat. Also re-vamping the life-lines with higher stations and solid-rail life-lines seen on larger vessel's mounted inboard of the toe rail to prevent dockside damage is another option. These flimsy flexible low-knee life-lines are in fact a bit of a joke in heavy weather situations. Hip high stations / rails can be a aesthetically done while adjusting the jib lines around them. $$$ is a factor

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Roger. I get what you are saying but it is not always practical. Running the jackline down the centre of the boat still does not necessarily keep you on the boat, and it is not practical depending on boat layouts, things like dodgers get in the way. I like the idea of higher stanchions and solid lifelines but once again it simply not practical and way too expensive for most. On my boat for example tall, solid lifelines would cost a fortune and look ridiculous. On larger boats they are great.

[@xolarwind]

Trailing a long line with knots should be rigged to trip the autopilot

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment Jorge. That is an interesting thought

[@charleykanieski7242]

Your tether is dangerously long. If solo sailing you could end up dragging yourself to death. Better to loop the tether around the jack line, thereby shortening it by half, so that if you fall you won’t be dragged in the water. The safety surely compensates for the inconvenience of a short tether.

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

The tether in the video is an industry standard 6 feet long, I did not make it myself. As mentioned in the video there are short, 3' tethers but they are usually twinned with a 6' tether. I did find one short tether (Wichard Proline Safety Tether - .8 m) that is 3 ' long. marine.wichard.com/en/safety/tethers/proline-range The choice to use a short, long or twinned tether as well as a hook or sewn loop on the body end is up to the individual and pros and cons of all options need to be considered. Looping the tether around the jackline is horrible advice. Tethers must be clipped into a dedicated jackline (not lifelines or handrails) with a purpose designed clip or sewn loop (and as I mention in the video if using a sewn loop a cutaway device must be carried). Looping it back creates cloth on cloth contact causing chafing which would essentially saw through the tether resulting in a catastrophic failure. In addition even a short tether does not guarantee that you will not fall off the boat. One of the main points of the video, in addition to covering basic principles, was to encourage people to think critically and to consider carefully the consequences of using or not using tethers and jacklines. The kind of dangerous opinion and advice expressed here, which is not based on industry standards or empirical evidence is exactly what I'm trying to discourage. One final thought, as you mention falling off the boat solo could result in being dragged, there is no system that exists that will prevent this possibility completely. To me still being attached to the boat at least does gives me the option to at least try to get back on and failing that I can cutaway and rely on other backups. If one cannot accept the risks of sailing solo then don't sail alone.

[@charleykanieski7242]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine I appreciate the whole point of the video and education. One option is to loop tether around the jackline and back to yourself, effectively shortening the length by half. It also lessens drag on the caribiner dragging across the deck. Sorry if I sounded critical, I want to prevent someone from drowning by dragging

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

You’re still missing the main point that I’m trying to address in your comment, which is your advice to loop the tether back on itself. This is very bad, dangerous advice.if you want a short tether get a short tether, a proper one

[@charleykanieski7242]

@@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine got it. I hear you, thanks

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thank you 🙏

[@ushi120]

Should I mentioned you messed up your first tieing to a cleat with your red webbing jackline on the bow. You made the locking hitch with the loaded part of the red webbing. 😉

[@CarpeDiemSailingMagazine]

Thanks for the comment