Cars and Trucks Are Changing Forever

We take a commentary approach on the progressive changes in the automotive industry. Cars and Trucks are moving into the next generation of tech, from battery power and software. We talk about the pros and cons and what cars are worthy of buying now. Which vehicles are you taking to the grave?
#cars #trucks #tech

[@dm3437]

When Mazda finally kills the miata, we will really know we are all doomed.

[@emotionz3]

With the starting price of the Miata having doubled since it was introduced 30 years ago (29% above the price increase for its class, and 40% above the industry as a whole) it is slowly being turned into a niche vehicle when decades ago it was a car accessible to everybody. The same thing happened to the Mustang.

[@jsboening]

@@emotionz3 Well, it was a tad over 30k and worth every penny. What hasn’t double in price in 30 years. And the build quality of cars has easily quadrupled in 30 years. I’ve got a 91 mustang lx convertible v8 manual that you’d swear was put together with wood screws. It rattles, flexes and has zero crash safety. I still love it, but you can’t compare it’s build quality or safety to a modern car. We all want better built cars but bitch when the price goes up. 🤷

[@Sam.AviMusic]

While the Miata won’t be discontinued…it’s getting electrified by 2030…so get one if you can before that time 🥲

[@jsboening]

@@Sam.AviMusic maybe it’ll be the first electric with a manual transmission. Lol. I probably better not take any chances

[@fluffyFaris]

Actually this seems to be right

[@MrMortadella1]

I miss the days when the main source of SG’s angst was piano black and soy injection complications.

[@billyhughes9776]

Those days weren't that long ago either,..ha

[@tim3172]

Carbon buildup from direct soy injections?

[@turek737]

@@tim3172 Nothing changed since 2008.

[@cantpassthebar]

And turbowski. Man do I miss him

[@johnandstephanie377]

@@cantpassthebar He's doing hard time for slinging illegal turbo upgrades and cat deletes

[@davidx8152]

Finally a KZbinr who lives (more or less) in the real world like most of us.

[@mva6044]

You mean Doug DeMuro does NOT?

[@davidx8152]

Not sure...I think he does

[@mva6044]

@@davidx8152 Kinda, in a quircky and feature filled world of southern california (which is not exactly representative of the US, much less rest of the world).

[@PremiumUserUltra]

@@mva6044 your Doug score is 0

[@nathanchildress5596]

Well he’s from Colorado. Doug has some cash now, but he still strikes me as an every-man

[@grocerygrip]

My heart goes out to auto mechanics. In the coming years they're going to become IT professionals. And i can see down the road they get a lil more phased out as wrenching gets replaced by patching. This is a profession whose attrition NO ONE is talking about

[@ecodweeb]

you're still going to have suspensions, motors, battery packs, etc that need physical replacement and skilled knowledge that IT people don't have. Most coders don't know how to rack and stack the pizza box server their app runs on. Fear not.

[@SectionF4]

@@ecodweeb Yes, there will still be plenty of things for mechanics to work on. The idea that people people who write software for cars aren't also enthusiasts is a bit short sighted.

[@mrkang4080]

Mechanics and techs will continue to have work -- impacts on people in the transportation industry is the real issue here.

[@grocerygrip]

@@ecodweeb "replacement" part is certainly a physical effort. But the understanding part is more on the IT side of things. There's going to be a greater learning curve ahead. Now the good news is our younger generation is well prepared, since they now have the opportunity to live and breathe around technology. But the Scotty Kilmer's and Goss Garages of the world will soon be the coal miner who's job is getting replaced by nuclear power or wind turbine

[@288gto7]

Yeah bro lets drop a new software patch to fix a broken ball joint

[@suspicionofdeceit]

Support Right to Repair, that ties in with this.

[@2damaxmr2]

One of the most important thing we have to support in the recent years. People have no idea how important it is.

[@TheGreektrojan]

This is a big one for me. While most of the comments will be car guys bemoaning progress because they just want to cling to the past, there is plenty of repair nonsense that exists solely because big companies want to feed repair shops and part sales. At this point there should have been innovations in things as simple as changing oil that doesn't require a jack or more intuitive fluid indicators/filter replacements that require little to no knowledge to replace (easy as they are). One of the most eco-friendly things one can do is make cars run as long as possible to reduce waste on that front. Smarter regulations of course go without saying. As cars get smarter and accidents decrease, we can probably loosen up on some outdated safety standards that have increased the weight of cars for impact protection (and increase fuel economy/decrease cost) in the process, while implementing new regulations that standardize ease of repair/maintenance/longevity features (queue reflexive 'deregulation is the magic pixie dust that will cure all ills' crowd).

[@vinanoir]

...and you understand that right to repair is directly tied to the effects of capitalism right? why dont you have right to repair? PROFIT.

[@JustaPersonTryinToHuman365]

I just saw an article yesterday that the current administration passed the right to repair act, tho I didn't read the article for specifics

[@wigletron2846]

@@vinanoir shut up commie. Right to repair is only an issue because we're moving away from free market capitalism

[@cassette_elk]

Imagine being a young enthusiast, just recently got their license after a lifetime of waiting and dreaming, and for the entire industry to slam its doors in your face the instant you turn your first key.

[@j.frankparnell3087]

A young enthusiast that just got their license likely wants their car to be an extension of their smart phone.

[@danyalag3366]

There are going to be no more young car enthusiasts left in a few years if prices keep going up. Even now, the young generation wants nothing to do with cars and most aren't even getting a driving license.

[@rjherche]

The young enthusiasts want Teslas.

[@404nobrakes]

@@rjherche those are just young people. We can talk about gatekeeping car enthusiasts but generally, the people who are into teslas are rarely into driving them. If you're only enthusiastic about a car because of the clout it gives you, I am comfortable calling you a non-enthusiast. EDIT: speaking as someone who lives in CA and has 3 friends who own model 3s. Also. It's worth noting that tech enthusiasts exist. And have existed forever. Many people who are enthusiastic about teslas are not car people, but tech people.

[@cassette_elk]

@@rjherche I speak for many young enthusiasts, as one myself. *We don't want teslas.* We're just as much into ICEs as yall are.

[@dr._breens_beard]

84 month loans basically convinced me that a bubble exists. i was always told if you cant afford to pay for a car in 36 months, you cant afford it, period.

[@eagle25311]

I saved up 10k and put that towards a 23k 2017 civic SI. I did the 4 year loan but I only owe about 8k on it now so its not too terrible.

[@dr._breens_beard]

@@eagle25311 a 48 mo loan is pushing it but not awful. Ive done 36 months and it sucked so much i paid it off early. Wasnt even that much money i paid every month either (bout 200) but it put into perspective how bad of a deal financing is.

[@eagle25311]

@@dr._breens_beard Yea I don't know how people afford all these new cars they are too expensive for me. 23 to 25 k is about the most I'm willing to pay

[@theanticrust42]

My truck cost 37k. My 6 year loan only cost 2.6k in interest. Meh. That's less than 500 bucks a year to keep my money in my account. And my truck is still in great shape. Ill own it outright next month. When car's died in ~10 years your advice probably made sense. But they last for 20+ years now and command higher prices used due to their longevity. Obviously people can be stupid with borrowed money but the term of the loan doesn't automatically make it a bad idea.

[@dr._breens_beard]

@@theanticrust42 as long as the resale doesnt tank, or the interest rate is low (urs isnt terrible but 7% is too rich for me personally) it can actually be smart to take out a longer loan. I prolly shoulda clarified that my statement applies to the majority of car purchases as from what i can tell, even your rate is pretty low.

[@ThatManIam]

This whole situation is so incredibly depressing. I'm honestly believing that by the time I will be able to afford a more fun and enthusiast-centered car (or honestly my own car in general), I might not have any options at all.

[@normanparthiban4383]

I graduated college in 2020. Loved loved loved cars growing up and for most of my life, the market and prices were good. Even now is tough. The amount companies want for a simple brz or Toyota 86 is nuts. I get it but just sucks

[@angelgjr1999]

I almost cried when he pointed out how a civic type R now cost 40k. That used to be luxury car territory. Same price range for an “affordable” Mustang GT.

[@abogoni]

M.I.A.T.A

[@7sins979]

it's almost like we are being pushed into a life of a mindless zombie grinding away to line someone else's pocket. I bought my top dream car just before everything went crazy and I may not be able to get any more than this. at this point i don't think i could put a price on this car that would get me to actually sell it.

[@chrisoconnor3119]

What car is it?

[@cosmic_gate476]

@@chrisoconnor3119 Looks like an RX-7, might be wrong

[@faust451]

Banks/lenders are certainly more than happy to help someone commit financial suicide these days. Leasing or uber-long term loans (60, 72, 84 months...) are not only possible, but considered perfectly acceptable and encouraged in many circles. I do believe ultimately the individual is responsible for making that decision, but my goodness, we are surrounded by messaging that openly encourages debt, especially with the justification 'but interest rates are so low'. Debt is still debt and must be treated with apprehensive respect.

[@Exilis]

400 billion dollars.

[@eldiablort1461]

"You will own nothing, and you will like it".

[@thatcopenguy]

Honestly my biggest fear with the way the industry is going is how disposable these cars are becoming, they're becoming more and more like smartphones that you replace every couple years especially with lease programs. And not to mention it's not the most sustainable future.

[@robertjusic9097]

Yep, "we made the driving 3% better, we made it less noisy, we put a huge touchscreen inside"- heres your new bmw 3 series.

[@labeasta101]

I think it really depends on the brand you’re buying from. The luxury brands are especially bad because they basically expect the people who buy their cars to want a new one within 3 years. Brands like Honda, Toyota, and Hyundai still offer plenty of affordable cars that with proper upkeep can and should last for 10-15 years at minimum.

[@MrSchn3ll]

That's the biggest flaw with this "green" nonsense. Creating a car itself is a hugely pollutant and energy rich process. And batteries are not disposable and don't last 30+ years like well maintained engine. It will end up a rental car system - "you will own nothing and be happy". It's like the classic mechanical watch vs. Apple watch debate. One will be worn for decades and cherished, while the other will be in a landfill in 2 years - no one wanting to be caught dead wearing it. I think the industry is going to get pushback, and the crooked politicians will be forced to roll back some of these mandates when they realize that not everyone wants an EV and cars languish on lots.

[@c6j9b]

Driving 4 Answers talks about this as well. Another great car enthusiast youtuber.

[@JDMEXforme]

Ive been saying this fòrever. Its a throw away society. Now people are seeing it.

[@madpistol]

I feel you on this. I remember when my sister had an old Mercedes C230 Coupe. One day, I took it out on a windy hill-side road and decided to see what it would feel like to turn the traction control off. So I did, and the moment the rear tires broke loose and the rear-end came around, I thought I was going to die. I was able to get it back under control and immediately turned traction control back on. Now, I have an M340i, a car with well over double the power, and turning off the traction control doesn't feel scary. The car just sorts everything out if you lose the rear-end, and you're back on-line. It's strange how in roughly 20 years, our cars have gotten insanely powerful, but yet the drama has been completely drained from them. I guess manufacturers had to do that because people want more power in their cars, but they also want a car that isn't going to kill them as soon as they push it too hard.... And here we are today... with cars that have so many electronic nannies keeping us safe that even when you turn them all off, the car is still working to keep you safe. On one hand, I'm super happy that we have such insanely fast cars, but on the other hand, they don't feel special. That's a difficult thing for me to say because I absolutely adore my M340i. But is it the best driver's car I've ever owned? Unfortunately... no. That title goes to my 2015 Mazda 3 Hatchback with a 2.0L 155 HP engine, which was not even close to fast, but each time I took a corner, I got the biggest grin on my face because of how rewarding it was to drive. It pains me to say that a nearly 400 HP BMW is "less fun" (in a corner) to drive than 155 HP Mazda. And I'll be completely honest. When my lease is up on my M340i, I might just choose to buy it. While it's not the most fun I've ever had in a car, it is an absolutely fantastic car and probably one of the last cars before the full-hybrid or EV revolution takes over. That fact actually makes it special in its own right. It's funny how that works...

[@isolatorhk]

As a 2014 Mazda3 Hatchback 2.0 owner, I should print this out to remind myself to keep my car as long as I can! I have been thinking of upgrading to a hot hatch before the EV era.

[@Me-eb3wv]

True, car manufacturers have to play it safe and provide cars that ‘take the fun out’ of their sport cars if they don’t want to get sued

[@insainllama]

I recently purchased a 2000 mercury mountaineer for 2 grand and I couldn’t be happier. Parts are abundant and it fulfills my needs for a mild off road camping vehicle. Sure it ain’t a new bronco but it has a V8 and doesn’t have 1000 different gizmos that will break.

[@jacobl6714]

I don't know much about those other than they seem to be popular to complain about. Same platform as the explorer? And I was just curious what v8 they had, some 302/351 derivative I would imagine?

[@SpoonMan94]

@@jacobl6714 They have the cobra motors with the GT 40 heads. Difference is they have a super restrictive exhaust.

[@SpoonMan94]

@@jacobl6714 302s

[@jacobl6714]

@@SpoonMan94 Oh okay, thanks for the thorough answer. I've always kinda liked em, I just know they're popular to whinge about lolw

[@nathanchildress5596]

Body panels, interior bits, and rust protection is CRAP on those, so take some precautions, but the guts are basic and tough.

[@FirstStateOverland]

These videos are like just sitting around having a conversation with my car buddies. They may be some of my favorite on this channel.

[@Wayne_de]

yes, we need more of these videos.

[@creatineenjoyer7345]

That is where problems come from. You car guys just sit and talk. If you actually BOUGHT sporty cars, manufacturers would not stop making them

[@CaptainFordo21]

@@creatineenjoyer7345 you want them to buy people??? You disgust me.

[@chocolatewheelchair]

@@CaptainFordo21 he thinks he can keep getting away with it too. Wow

[@creatineenjoyer7345]

@@CaptainFordo21 lol

[@xmlthegreat]

"The more I drive these cars the less I feel like I'm actually driving them." so the Driving model in Cyberpunk 2077 was accurate.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

So the game was a realistic depiction of the year 2077 after all...

[@Gentleman...Driver]

I laughed so hard at this. I recently played the game (on PC) and they have kind of fixed it for the keyboard users.

[@snowlessSTI]

This is exactly how I have been feeling for the past 2 years. Its nice to hear someone express it so eloquently. Question I battle with daily is what can I replace this passion with? This was my motivation during college, my career after and even to this day. To have it all go away is very defeating and leaves my in a place of uncertainty. To those who understand this world its a very depressing time.

[@far06c]

I feel what you’re saying, but please have some perspective. In all likelihood, a person’s (and probably your) average lifespan and quality of life is better than a king’s would have been just 50 years ago… perspective is dangerously underrated

[@mikerodix4800]

Guns are a fun alternative. Less complicated and just as cool as cars just pure machines no computers necessary.

[@riverwalker2173]

​@@mikerodix4800Cameras have gone the same way cars have. Digitized, computerized & homogenized. Miss my old 35mm film cameras when photography was actually an art. Keep shootin🔫📸

[@paxtondidit6391]

I just got into cars last year and I noticed this trend coming as I was being introduced into the car community, but I hate how fast it’s setting in.

[@daebak7370]

Everything is coming to an end. The age of grace aka church age is soon coming to an end. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative

[@gamingsoup563]

It’s sad especially for ppl my age in their early 20s who always wanted a sports car growing up and can maybe finally afford one. We never dreamed of driving a car the practically drives for you (tesla). And it’s sad seeing all of it take over.

[@ComeOnPelican91]

@@daebak7370 not if mohammad returns first

[@atreyustratula]

It’s heart breaking. Over the years we watched SG commit to something he loves. Get into bed with it. Make it a career.. Only for that love to slowly reveal the soulless, cold, and calculated state of the automotive market… Ignorance is a bliss my friend

[@willthorson4543]

That's literally every company in the world. They have to be cold and calculated. Look at fiat in the states. They are literally gone outside of one model. Add in covid, lack of specific parts and recovery and shit sucks right now. It will right itself down the road.

[@lajya01]

He finally reached the Turbowski point

[@shahulhusman]

@@lajya01 what happened with him?

[@hiegear]

It's all rubber glass and steel. It will all come back around. Everything is inflated. GAS cars should be gone.

[@andoletube]

@@shahulhusman He became such a sad sack that nobody can be in the same room as him.

[@cduncan5690]

This reminds me of watching Skyfall. Bond went from being the tech genius to getting his ass kicked by tech. So he had to go old school and analog to a car with no gizmos or gadgets, and drive out to a house on a farm in the middle of no where. This whole thing is very paradoxical. We are trying to use technology to solve our problems but it is only creating more. Where will it end?

[@savagegeese]

Great comment

[@Painfulwhale360]

It’s just like how smartphones have made us dumb. Tech that was supposed to improve our lives just makes us lazier, impatient and turned us into antisocial hermits. But boy are they handy sometimes! The new Xbox, with all the new halo and cod games with crazy good graphics. It’s not as fun as back in the day when we played halo 1, 2 and 3. Same with all the cods. There’s just no depth to things anymore. There’s no soul in anything anymore.

[@BigHeadClan]

I wouldn't say more problems just ones of a different nature, I'm an IT system administrator and let me tell you the diagnostic steps you take and methodology isn't all that different from working on an older cars. You take the symptoms list the probable causes and start eliminating the possibilities in order to resolve the issue, its just an extra step in identifying if a problem is software or hardware related. You are right there is something paradoxical about the whole thing, despite my technical career I enjoy the fact that my car isn't cluttered with digital displays and electronics just simple mechanic implementations in many cases.

[@Lamtitude]

@@Painfulwhale360 The last good Halo game made by Bungie was Halo Reach. After that, 343 took over development of Halo games and removed the soul from the games. The last one I played was Halo 4 and it felt like a generic shooter with a Halo skin over it. Activision made way too many Cod games over the years and watered down their own product. The last good Cod was Cod 4. That’s why they eventually remastered it in 2016 so they could get people to buy it again to make a quick buck. Just proves that they have no originality left in them. You can’t release a FPS of the same franchise every single year. That was the big reason I stopped buying them, as well as the online play turning into a complete joke. If a game is good, I’ll play it for years and buy all of the dlc. Look at Rockstar, they are the pinnacle of gaming right now and they haven’t released a major title in 3 years. The last GTA is 8 years old and people are still playing it.

[@phamnuwen9442]

The technology in itself is not the problem. The problem is that those who prefer less technology, or at least prefer to wait until the new technology is clearly better, are not allowed to keep using the old technology. Governments are criminalizing it. Most people support this criminalization, including those who would prefer to keep using the tech that is being outlawed. So here we are.

[@czNemesis]

2 years ago I bought a used Hellcat Charger here in middle of Europe(they are super rare here compared to US) and even tho the streets and parking slots here are definitely not made for a car of this size and power I am planning to keep it as long as it will run. I have it as some sort of a "farewell petrol".

[@fzr1000981]

It's a boat but fast in straight line. The ZL1 is just better

[@BrapBrapDorito]

I’m a younger car enthusiast (15) who just bought his first car, a red manual RX8 at age 14, right before the massive push for EVs. It feels like car manufacturers stabbed us, poured salt in the wound, and then shut us out. All they care about is acceleration and pandering to politicians and non-enthusiasts. Sadly, the next generation after me won’t even know what a truly analog car is, it’ll all be about gimmicks, acceleration and range. It almost feels like the car enthusiast is being suppressed and silenced for marketing and politics. It feels bad.

[@joashkurien7400]

Enjoy it man,where i live you cant even think of driving until you're 18 (I'm 16), much less buy a car. Buying a car here is a late 20s kind of thing. Affordable performance cars are non existent. Car mods are illegal. My only hope to get into this hobby was studying hard, grabbing a job in the us, uk, etc. and immigrating. Now seeing the conditions there I question myself whether it's even worth it. With every passing day my passion and enthusiasm for this hobby wanes. I'm happy for you and the others who are lucky enough to experience the joy of being a car enthusiast, driving and owning cool cars and sharing your love for cars with other enthusiasts. In my country car enthusiasts are a rare breed. I don't even know where I'm going with this comment anymore... It's truly soul crushing when a hobby you've been looking up to and aspiring to get into is slowly dying. Slowly dying before you've even got a chance to get a taste of it. Anyway on a lighter note. I'm happy for you! Enjoy your car! (And uh.. sorry for the long and ranty comment. I was just venting)

[@emadabukarsh5201]

@@joashkurien7400 Im going through the exact same deal Joash Plan was to immigrate next year, but I’m starting to back off after hearing this.. I hope we get to experience this hobby we dreamed about, for a short time at least.

[@Blortoblorto]

Your parents bought you a car

[@BrapBrapDorito]

@@Blortoblorto No, they didn’t. I saved since I was a kid and worked my ass off to earn the money. My name is on the title. Stop performing mental gymnastics just because someone is young.

[@mathewlaurent6145]

@@BrapBrapDorito haha you're 15, still a kid! That being said it's very possible to buy an old sports car at that age if you're determined. Now hopefully the rotary doesn't blow up on you!

[@jf8092]

100% agreed. Spent the last decade focusing on my career and now that I’m in a position to restart my car hobby I feel the entire industry moved away from me. The old cars I loved are unreasonably priced and anything new feels like has little to no soul. It’s a shame.

[@ruthnoya8424]

Com'on now, the only cars in the stratosphere are Supras, NSXs and 911s. Everything else is still half reasonable at the moment.

[@lujr2225]

@@ruthnoya8424 what about e46 m3s e92m3s s2000s integra type r

[@blackice214]

Yea man i just dropped 65k on a pre owned RS5 under 15k Miles and from 2018 you could’ve once gotten a GTR from 2017 in that price range but with all costs rising the people at the bottom will get killed and i have to upskill in my profession to earn even higher to keep up

[@thEM1ghtyricer]

Careers are a joke. You spend so much time and energy trying to get ahead in a company that gives no shits about you and will drop you at a moment's notice as soon as their balance sheet deems it necessary. You live 1 time and I highly doubt anyone will care about anything career related when you're gone. Why sacrifice your passion for that? Just in my lifetime I've seen the world change so radically and rapidly that I can't bring myself to cater to anyone's agenda other than my own. Take that for what you will, hope you're doing well however and the time spent was all worth it...just my opinion.

[@blackice214]

@@thEM1ghtyricer A career is an easy way to get capital and a sure way if you have an in demand profession ..owning your own business is better but in recessions you are fucked thats why you have to diversify and have various income streams

[@English2Elvish]

4 minutes in, and EVERYTHING is hitting home.

[@johnnybravo5044]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@jimbo6612]

@English2Elvish: that's a seriously gay ass pic for a grown man

[@retrorewind6042]

@@jimbo6612 this is a seriously gay comment. Stfu

[@gabrielsmiley5216]

Facts 😭😭😭

[@markmiller3279]

@@jimbo6612 And that's a seriously homophobic way to look at a person's picture.

[@nickrreese]

Sounds like you might want to consider motorcycles as a hobby. Cheap, fast, drivable, customizable, repairable. All the things that made old cars fun

[@GreatGrandmasterWang]

Almost always instant death in an accident too

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@GreatGrandmasterWang If you ride like a donut, you get squished like a donut. It's a simple philosophy

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

But this also only applies for sub10k bikes, like ever 1000cc bike is so packed with electronics. You ain't fixing none of that crap unless you have an IT degree and work with the company directly who wrote the codes.

[@GreatGrandmasterWang]

@@Daniel-dj7fh but what if some incoming dumbass car is going fast towards you, a motorcycle won’t give much protection. No matter how safe you drive, some idiot will probably hit you sooner or later

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@GreatGrandmasterWang Yes mainly the issue on a motorcycle (if you are not a stupid that is) are others. But even there you can always ride defensively and expect that others drive like ass. Optionally you drive away from whoever is driving straight towards you.

[@mrmsc919]

This is one of the saddest videos I've seen in a while.

[@daebak7370]

This push for electric and banning gas powered vehicles is all about govt control to control and spy on you using all of our electronics smart phones computers smart TV and now electric cars etc. New wrld order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative

[@rapids___4409]

@@daebak7370 I had a stroke reading your reply 😂

[@ryanoptekar7654]

@Shawn Don003 i just had 2 strokes

[@narrowstone5363]

@@ryanoptekar7654 it's always the idiots with 2 braincells telling people to "open their mind"

[@nnamdibond3139]

True

[@noahgreenhouse]

"It’s what non-car people don’t get. They see all cars as just a ton and a half, two tons of wires, glass, metal, and rubber, and that’s all they see. People like you or I know we have an unshakable belief that cars are living entities… You can develop a relationship with a car and that’s what non-car people don’t get… When something has foibles and won’t handle properly, that gives it a particularly human quality because it makes mistakes, and that’s how you can build a relationship with a car that other people won’t get." - Jeremy Clarkson

[@justthink5854]

fantasies are great. live it in vert reality.

[@sonik954]

Clarkson is a treasure. Love that man.

[@johngoe420]

@Kiraz523 Jinba Ittai

[@trdrav4]

Was Jeremy taking shots at some guy that drives a 94 Celica?

[@kylereyes2337]

People confuse me; cars don’t.

[@Toolace]

The fact that as I’m still a kid, knowing I’ll likely not be able to afford the driver’s cars I love just hurts man. I really hope Porsche synthetic fuel works well and can somehow keep internal combustion engines alive because there’s definitely a boring and soulless feeling of new cars and electric cars, regardless of how fast they are 0-60.

[@MishMoves]

I really hope you get to own one of those cars. I'm lucky to own a couple of cars I love and enjoy driving, and I'll always be grateful for it.

[@tanjie1232]

Porsche synthetic fuel does work well if you can afford $37/gallon. Good luck with that LOL

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

The IC engine isn't going anywhere for 2 reasons. 1) The Global Electrical Grid cannot handle 100% EV ownership. CA can barely handle 10%. 2) Gasoline is a byproduct of Oil Refining. If it's not blown up in engines, it has to be discarded another way. Oil isn't going anywhere considering its necessary for plastics.

[@ReallyRyan.]

By the time you're able to drive the car space will be a completely different place. The combustion engine is a wasteful, inefficient, old dinosaur that just needs to go because it's killing the environment and has been for too long, along with factories and other big polluters and things need to change. Cars are changing especially quickly because of the more urgent threat of climate change and stricter government regulations on auto manufacturing. Things need to be done and done now, otherwise the world is literally going to end up lifeless not that long from now. You may think engine noise is cool and everything, especially because you're a kid, but the fate of the world is far, far more important than how exciting you think something is. The Porsche research is interesting, but I wouldn't put all your eggs into that basket because it's still in the conceptual/testing phase and we don't actually know if it'll pan out to be anything more than just an interesting concept. Electric's here now, it's proven reliable and that's what manufacturers are going with moving forward. When you buy your first car, don't be surprised if it has to be electric or a hybrid because, as I said, the car space will be very different. It may suck in your eyes, but like it or not, that's just how it is.

[@Justin87878]

@@KevinSmith-qi5yn yes, but technology keeps improving. Gas will stay for at least the end of the century for aviation, big long-haul trucks (hybrids), and tractors. The Electrical Grid issue will keep improving, since the one that CA has is still in its early phase.

[@sterlingbarron2960]

Wow I might never sell my cars after watching this. I can hear the pain in your voice about the changes we will endure and it’s hard to sit on the sideline and watch it unfold. My dreams of owning certain cars over these last two years have been fading away as I continue on in my normal life. BAT, tiktok and many other media centers have made owning some of these cars impossible. I’ve been searching high and low for a 1991-1994 Toyota Mr2 T-Top turbo because that was the car my dad had before he passed away. I loved that car with every bone in my body but he didn’t keep it. I’m in shock to see NA Mr2s sell for upwards of 9k for being in just decent condition, and now it’s making me realize I may never own that true dream definition of a sports car.

[@nickkung8041]

"if I was 21 again and I looked at the fact that to buy a Civic Type R was going to cost me almost 45000$, for a Honda Civic, I would have just been done" That's me, I'm Done and the worst part is that in my country(Thailand) 45,000$ only gets you to Honda Civic Hatch with just 1.5L Inline4 and The Type R costs around 150,000$

[@greatgallade]

Holy fuck

[@ThePilotGear]

i hope your salaries are adjusted for that cost of living

[@bsp3971]

They're actually lower than the US, my girlfriend grew up in Thailand, and while most daily expenses are low (and they don't have property tax!??) luxury foreign goods are extremely expensive there because of import taxes & the fact that their currency is less valuable internationally, she told me that a $35000 car would be sold at 100k+ USD if I tried to buy it in Thailand, because of import taxes logistics profit at low sales volume etc

[@pduk6917]

So are we saying the FK8 is going up in value

[@djcoronel]

This was a depressing start to my Monday morning. :(

[@indianjoe3493]

Lmaooo

[@gbfan1234567]

Why was I thinking the exact same.. Get on lunch and this is the new video I get 🤣😥

[@jonstechchannel]

@@gbfan1234567 Facts

[@Karan-nj2dk]

Came here to unwind from Monday shenanigans and here we are, getting the guts of our souls wrenched. If you ask me, SG owes us a feel-good video now!

[@BigHeadClan]

Its why I waited until Tuesday. ;)

[@commonsense7057]

Well they did say "You'll own nothing and be happy".

[@n8lang]

oh goood. fuck politics for ruining everything. new world order. its real

[@Tential1]

Dumbest comment ever. You can own a ton of stuff. If you own nothing, you are genuinely stupid. It's the easiest country in the world to build assets.

[@MikeG4936]

@@Tential1 You're witnessing the harrowing out of the American middle class, yet you are saying something as blind as this.

[@wyw201]

@@Tential1 There is no doubt you can own something, but the market is headed towards subscription based services and leasing at full speed. You can’t deny that.

[@rotgertesla]

@@Tential1 Klause Schwab said that. And he said that would happen by 2030. The next 9 years will be wild.

[@cpt.honklerof3rdkekistania400]

It really seems like the whole world is headed for some sort of reckoning, politics, non-politics. Everything seems to be coming to a head.

[@baetsimpson]

I agree with you Mr. Peppy

[@chrislim7976]

People are realizing all the "progress and advancements" being made aren't actually improving one's life. In some cases like cars, it sucking the life out of it.

[@Louie90s]

Agreed

[@daebak7370]

N e w w r ld or d er is coming led by obama and pope francis. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative

[@chrislim7976]

@@attackroflchopter4403 You sound like you're on the same page. It doesn't take a lot for me to enjoy the simple things so there's nothing appealing about where we're headed. Gimmicks that no one asked for yet need to repaired.

[@harouttorkomian5897]

I've been telling all my close ones this for about 10 years now. I kept putting off the s2k and now its too late for that, specifically for me and my budget. But this video literally just lit the fire within me and somethibg that I'd been contemplating for years now just became a sure thing. Tomorrow i will be buying a 2003 corvette z06

[@harouttorkomian5897]

I just bought a 2003 blue z06 for 24000. Its done dada.

[@Vision33r]

S2k is over hyped. Any Miata today beats it. It's mainly how it feels raw compare to cars today that felt like game machines. You can easily get Z06 and see S2k in the rear view mirror all the time.

[@MotoringBoxTV]

As a guy on a limited income, I fear that a lot of the used cars I'd love to own and experience are all increasing in value faster than I'll ever be able to catch. Just like how the universe expands at such a rate that we may not ever be able to reach distant civilisations. And then one by one, all the stars in the sky will disappear forever.

[@bb5242]

It sucks. I have the proceeds of a house I sold and everything fun is still just out of reach (not cars, am talking properties) unless I lever way up. It's disheartening.

[@happymradrian]

I had this feeling with Monaros/Coupes over the last few years. Everything SG is even more pronounced here. I hope you catch up to some of those good used cars, love your vids.

[@Tential1]

Wealth and income grows every year, if you're on a limited income that's a personal issue

[@CaptainFordo21]

@@Tential1 tell that to the American middle class as a whole.

[@Rapido20]

This deep you’re definitely on acid

[@BrianFrichette]

Hey ya'll! Just an FYI, motorcycles are still relatively pure.

[@kojack635]

If you can survive the kamikaze Karen's in their suvs

[@BrianFrichette]

@@kojack635 It's true. Your odds of death or maiming go up a lot.

[@kojack635]

@@BrianFrichette I've lost too many friends to buy one anymore

[@BrianFrichette]

@@kojack635 Sorry to hear that 😔. For me, I'd rather enjoy an exciting, shorter life.

[@lamarwilson8608]

I will never ride another motorcycle on road. Would have to be track days only. All the electronics he mentioned have people distracted more than ever.

[@tomirlakas7546]

Exactly my train of thought when I decided to buy a Cayman GTS 4.0 recently. Not exactly one of those cars mentioned in this video but a car that an enthusiast will surely miss very soon.... I don't know how many (exciting) driving years I have left (I am 58) but I want to enjoy every mile from now on. Thanks for sharing the harsh but true reality.

[@privilegejunkie]

I have thought the same exact thing. We saw this happen in the industry I work in (computers) as well. The soul is being sucked out for streamlined and highly-integrated utilities. I got really into automotive in 2018 after watching all of Initial D (yes you can laugh at me). I decided I want to get myself a performance car. I didn't know how to drive a manual, so I borrowed a 1999 Ford Escort ZX from my brother to learn on. I took it out driving every day after work. After about 6 months, I went out and bought a 2019 Civic Type R. I still own it, and I plan on keeping it forever, but I noticed right away just how much the game had changed. I actually felt safe in my Type R.. but I also felt more disconnected. The Escort was a death trap, but it was also connected and fun. The immediacy of the throttle made it feel like a roller coaster at times. The Type R doesn't have that. I missed the manual hand brake. I missed the light-weight feel of the Escort. I saw the trend immediately as I entered the modern world of enthusiast automotive and it is sad to see how it is progressing. The soul is leaving.

[@m176r3]

Sport, performance, and enthusiast type cars along with automotive hobbies in the future will be the finical equivalent of owning thoroughbred horses or horse racing.

[@DanafoxyVixen]

they always were... performance, and enthusiast type cars were never cheap

[@markmiller3279]

Yes, and the more exotic ones always were. I doubt Miatas will be treated as rarities for a very long time, though there may be limits on where and how much you can drive them.

[@pblackbird]

@@DanafoxyVixen, there is still a viable path for regular folks to enjoy cars. You won't find a more blue collar group of people than you find at the dirt track or drag strip. I think that SCCA is also accessible to a wide swath of hobbyists. I'm not sure what happens to these relatively low dollar venues when this last generation of cars is used up or locked away. My guess is they wither and die. M176 R is absolutely right. There was a time when farmers and country veterinarians played polo and raced horses with the rich and privileged. That is all but gone as land is gobbled up for endless development or locked away as forever wild. The automotive hobbyist is the next domino to fall.

[@americanAlienBoy]

@@DanafoxyVixen Disagree. You can still buy a beater Miata/old Civic for a few grand, autocross it, and have as much fun as the guy in the GT3. We have a few kids running our current series ranging from late teens to mid-20s who do exactly that. Or you can buy a Focus ST for under $20k, and have a daily driver that's a good cone dodger. Then there's drag racing: A few years back, my son and two of his friends built a bracket racer from a junked S10 and junkyard parts. Total outlay was under $2000, and they sold it for 3x that after the season. The dad of one his friends gave them some tips. He was a good source of info, his Camaro runs Hellcat ETs for under $5000. Even road racing is attainable: I did a WRL endurance race in a 1st gen RX7 that cost $2500, (yes, that's the right number of 0s) complete with safety equipment and a log book. I've built and sold a road race BMW for $7000.

[@m176r3]

@@americanAlienBoy You are right. I believe guys like us are still safe for now, but in my original post I was thinking about 2035-2040 years when combustion motors and cars regular guys could work on will no longer be manufactured and the ones that survive in the used market will sky rocket in value. Then there will also be government emission mandates that states have with inspections for vehicle registration.

[@postalpancho]

This video really hit home when I started thinking of the upcoming 86, miata, and 400z. Theres a good chance we aren't going to get this kind of stuff anymore. We used to say " Save the manuals" and now we will be lucky if we even get to have a sports car a decade from now.

[@DysphoriaRL]

There will always be sports cars but they for sure will be electric. Now that depends on if you consider electric sporty or not

[@zerowaves6731]

If nissan treats the 400z anything like the 370 itll be around until 2035 at least

[@CarShopping101]

Oh please. There will always be sports cars. You're being hysterical.

[@HateAndFlame]

Nissan has stated they’re aiming for an electric option for the Z by 2025. We’re yet to really see what an enthusiasts EV looks like. Teslas are for people who hate driving. Let the tech mature a bit and give the aftermarket world a chance to catch up before giving up on it.

[@josephfogus6735]

I'm enthusiast owned multiple sports cars and I have a Chevy bolt now don't think it can be a enthusiast car the battery weighs over 1000lbs and it's in the floor boards it handles really well. Can't wait to get a performance tire for it when stock ones wear out.

[@MikeS42069]

When I saw the new Z I knew it was going to be the last of it's kind. I'm going to try and snag one new as a very enjoyable investment piece. When I'm ready to retire my license someone will get a REAL nice driver level car.

[@Vision33r]

The new Z is nothing more than the old 370Z and many parts from infiniti. It's not a new car. The only thing is the outside and the inside. It's a digital version of the 370Z.

[@angelgjr1999]

@@Vision33r 400 hp from a v6 coupe is very impressive tho.

[@cosmic_gate476]

@@Vision33r Doesn't matter lol, you can go buy a bmw m240i or a supra but they have no manual and cost more. The Z has literally no competitor.

[@DiscoMan]

Exactly how I feel. Maybe I should keep my 80 series Land Cruiser...

[@nathanchildress5596]

Yeah you should. The values of those aren’t going down ever again

[@KevinSam33]

I have recently started my career as an automotive designer, and seeing the kind of requirements put forth by my clients, it pains me to see their lack of enthusiasm in the product, except for the business opportunity it presents. It saddens me and makes me think that I got into this a little too late. Let's hope that we can infuse at least a little bit of soul back into these creations by way of driving dynamics and physical interaction, just enough to prevent them from becoming no more engaging than washing machines. P.S. I still ride my 6-year old Royal Enfield Classic 350 (carbureted); no fuel injection, no ECU, no ABS, no Traction Control. It rides as fast as you're willing, and only as well as you can. It is something that I do, and always will, cherish.

[@luc7976]

One thing not explicitly mentioned is mass consumer demand for generic looking & driving SUV's. And that shift is not confined to cars unfortunately. Choices are getting more limited in other product types as well since people do not care enough to deviate what is nowadays mainstream.

[@ForeverDownByLaw]

I had seriously considered automotive design 30 years ago, but became a graphic designer instead. I'm sort of glad, not sure I could deal with the current day b.s. that dictates car design. It's become bad enough in graphic design over the last 25 years.

[@dominicancheif117]

I’m studying mechanical engineering at school and I’m soon to be graduating. I also feel like the automotive industry has lost its soul, with all the committees and public opinion boards dictating the design and types of cars being made for maximum profit. Cars are the reason why I took up the challenge for engineering, but it seems like a lost cause and I’m now considering going into aviation because of it.

[@zahitemremetin606]

@@ForeverDownByLaw how it became bad in graphic design?

[@RichAbe23]

Wait until Apple enters the automobile space… final nail in the coffin.

[@sean9267]

The iCar is already in the works...

[@kuervers03]

😪😪 right in the feels with this one. My aspirations to own a GT3/GT4/emria after my M2C are becoming less of a reality. Not ready for investment now and in 5-10 years. Who knows how attainable they will be

[@dubiousmike]

@@kuervers03 I totally want an Emira too ❤

[@MrDennywick]

Please, no.

[@pnourani]

Amazon already is. They bought Zoox.

[@BillyBob-oi9kl]

When I was a teen I used to be obsessed with cars, but about the time that I hit 18. I realized the things this guy said, combined that with no money, and it killed my passion for cars.

[@gabrieliusmistautas8788]

You don't need to buy a new car to have pure fun. Buy a BMW E36 or a 90s Honda Civic hatchback with more powerful engines and you might be happy. Such old cars shouldn't be expensive.

[@JCKCPA]

Absolutely perfect articulation of the current state of modern cars.

[@jbrown795]

I've never had a "sporty" car before and have always been a penny pincher. I went out and impulse purchased a 2020 Civic Si for the sole reason of not living vicariously through youtube videos any more; and knowing that we are in a quickly fading age of fun, engaging ICE cars.

[@JasonSmallzYT]

I got one too :) I love it

[@jbrown795]

@@JasonSmallzYT Hell yeah

[@fitness_mcgee6353]

2018 SI for me! Great choice

[@VersanGetryx]

I have a 2017 civic sport hatch manual with a hondata 6 psi tune only because they didn't make the SI in hatch. Enjoy it and good luck!!

[@st4xor]

Great choice. +1 for the 10th gen Si, I have 2020 as well. My mentality when I bought the Si was that it was a stepping stone to a Type R or similar top level sport compact. But given how things have been going lately, I'm thinking more about keeping the Si long term (what a great daily driver--all kinds of fun and zero guilt piling on the miles) and instead getting something else on the side as my next purchase as a project/fun car--while you can still get in to something at a reasonable price. But I'm going to start with taking the Si out to an HPDE to understand the limitations of the platform and better understand what I might be looking for to augment in the future. Btw, because you made such a thoughtful and intelligent/frugal bang-for-the-buck "sport" purchase, you also owe yourself a 2nd set of summer tires and maybe some Acuity shifter bits some day 👍

[@VTheGuerrilla]

"You will own nothing and be happy." -Supreme demon lord Klaus Schwab

[@vw1610]

Bingo.

[@gbw28]

Notice he said you, not we.

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

*Some change needs to happen, now.*

[@ken3137]

You haven't driven an S2000 then

[@augustopinochet6899]

I'd rather die than live under this demon, Klaus

[@bronsongraff]

Totally resonate with everything you laid out here. Having been of the generation that had the Alpine Lamborghini poster on the wall…. The future that is today, is certainly not one I saw then, that is for sure. After 35 years of dreaming about it and working for it and even owning a car dealership for awhile (not a rich guy, just was laden with business debt)…I’m now a near 50 year old that essentially ‘reached’ to be able to afford his ‘attainable’ dream 911 just last week. A 997 Carrera… nothing wild….I’m grateful that I was even able to, at this point. Because I know the end is coming, for everything I’ve ever known as a car enthusiast. I feel like I just made it under the wire.

[@markm0000]

The 997 Carrera is such a timeless car. It will forever be known as “The 911” for several generations. I personally want a yellow runny egg 996 for its charm and quirks. Those manual cars were truly a handful and had almost zero computers holding your hand in sharp turns.

[@lordofkeebs8424]

@@markm0000 ye I picked up a 2000 996 a few years ago as my first project car its a great car (other that the aos and varirocam) it has been perfectly fine.

[@leon__feinstein]

The end is not coming. It can all be reversed

[@kestkr]

I appreciate how down to earth these guys are. Good conversation

[@PasDeMD]

This past couple of years has been a big feeling that I just missed out on a few major purchases, having just finally started making good money in the last year or so. Housing market has exploded and cars are as well but I won't be in a place to make a home purchase or "fun" car purchase for another 2-3 years or more, so missed the boat on all of this appreciation.

[@gregoryweissman]

Right there with you.

[@mtxearthquake12]

I feel the same way. I’m in my mid 20’s and put all my savings to pay off my student loans, now taking my savings to invest in a house with land. By the time I have enough, anything in my price range will be double the price or have 5 people bidding for it.

[@austinfrazier7325]

Not too late for crypto. Buy all the btc and eth you can and retire in 10 years. Cars are a joke.

[@pieanddanish]

You're not alone friend

[@StrategyJoe]

You didn't miss much, everyone started making crazy money in the last year it seems. That is why everything is shooting up in price. You have more money now but as much purchasing power as you did prior

[@Bigern2998]

Man, I think you should be making videos on way more than cars. You see the big picture. It's not just the auto industry that is changing forever. I appreciate your insight

[@invertedpolarity6890]

Yeah, so SG can suck the joy out of more than just cars.

[@metaldiceman]

Let's talk about video games next and how digital and DRM are stripping away actual ownership.

[@onethousandtwonortheast8848]

@@invertedpolarity6890 while you’re occupied with him sucking out the joy, some of us are concerned with what the bigger picture really means. Don’t be so myopic; this is a litmus test for that which is coming very quickly.

[@ninoellison7793]

I genuinely share your sentiments. The world of automotive passion is turning beige so rapidly. Thank you for inspiring me to invest in something that excites me daily!

[@MrDolphinDives]

Great video and I really appreciate the SG somber thoughts series. I know you two are busy dudes with all the reviews but these quicker and less produced videos are great and I'd love to see more of them in the future. I bought a Raptor in March pre-pandemic for less than sticker convinced that it would be my "10 year car" but over the last year I've decided it's my forever car that I will absolutely keep going as long as I can. Gas prices be damned it's simply my dream vehicle with an amazing enthusiastic community to back it. In a world of soulless cars, we need to appreciate the ones built with passion.

[@LitleBear]

I own a GT350 that I bought during Covid after a "life is short, fuck it" moment and I have zero regrets. I hope if or when I sell that I can basically break even or not lose much. In terms of smiles per mile, performance, and general use I can't really complain. I expect some maintenance eventually but I don't beat it up so hopefully it stays in one piece lol.

[@FreshTillDeath56]

I think that's a fair move. I bought a new 2021 Mazda 3 a month ago as I fell into similar circumstances with available wealth. Hope you enjoy your car and take care of it... i do not know what the future of cars will hold.

[@shaft9000]

This 40-something import-snob commends you. Perhaps is even a tad jealous ;)

[@anthonyc8499]

Extended warranty all the way before the engine eats itself alive.

[@TML34]

@@anthonyc8499 exactly. Nobody will buy an out of warranty 350 with a ticking time bomb.

[@LitleBear]

@@anthonyc8499 Already have one haha. I haven't even had a drop of oil so I think a majority of those issues were on earlier cars or were a result of severe overuse/revs/heat. I just cruise and enjoy a spirited drive here and there so fingers crossed lol.

[@FreeForAllFreak]

I don't see myself being a car guy in 15 years. I work in IT and stare at a computer screen all day and cars are supposed to be an escape from technology for me. Everything is transitioning to a computer on wheels and it's sad to think about the future of the car scene.

[@LitleBear]

Underrated point.

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

I can't wait till automobiles are 100% self driven and electric. Here in Michigan people have no idea how to drive. They don't use blinkers when merging or turning onto streets, they roll through stop signs or just ignore them. On 45mph streets they do 55, on highways with 55mph they do 75+ and on I75 they do 80 and pass on the right lane, it's insane. You think all of this will be going on when cars drive themselves?

[@prabeeshsidhu]

@@PianoBlackTrimRep. do you have any idea how hard it is to get ALL cars to be self driving? You would need the government to make it a law. You would need them to outlaw all driving cars as well as older cars without the self driving features… that’s a big stretch

[@prabeeshsidhu]

@@PianoBlackTrimRep. I agree we have terrible drivers on the road but changing the car won’t do that.. you actually need to change the driver and educate them. Speed limits could also use work

[@papa_pt]

@@PianoBlackTrimRep. sounds like Georgia/Florida (3 near totals/accidents in a single trip down the coast. No fault every time) . I actually miss driving in NY sometimes just for the drivers

[@BackyardBarbellClub]

This is exactly why when I bought my 2018 GT350, I bought it with the intent to hold onto it forever. Cars like the GT350 will probably never be made again. Part of why I liked it compared to the other new cars is exactly what he said about the other cars driving for you. This car is raw, has tons of spirit, and personality that only an enthusiast understands why that is so special. Sadly, the generation of cars like this existing is coming to a close and mindless zombie EV cars are part of our future.

[@raymonddelacruz846]

I bought my 2012 gt500 for the same reason I plan on keeping that car forever

[@corgiowner436]

I lived through the “malaise” era of the late 70’s/80’s and cars are so much better now. That said when I have to get an EV the car is just gonna be another appliance. I’ll be just as enthused about my coffee maker. Should have seen it coming when they started piping artificial engine sounds into the cockpit.

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

I don’t know if you’ve driven one, but electric cars can be a lot of fun. You don’t have the noise, but cornering and torque are there in ample supply. Go drive one. The future isn’t as bad as you think.

[@doates625]

I drive EV as a daily and never really understood the appeal of engine sounds. Whenever I take out my dad's '04 Legacy or my '92 Suzuki motorcycle I feel compelled to take it easy because I don't want to bother the neighbors with engine screaming. With my EV I joyfully floor it at every stop sign and green light without a care in the world, no matter the location or time of day, and it's hella fun. Plus, it's not totally silent. I get a cool electric whirring sound when I accelerate (not artificial) that becomes silent once I'm cruising at speed, which IMO is ideal.

[@dru9918]

@@doates625 I do not relate to this at all I love hearing my engine screaming up to redline and all the exhaust burble and intake noise and gear shifting and turbo spool and blow off valve everything comes together to make driving with the windows down just as enjoyable as singing along to my spotify playlist. As for the neighbors, get over it I'll be off into the distance before you know it a couple seconds of car noises won't kill you

[@theanticrust42]

@@dru9918 I live by a stop sign. When someone like you drives by we literally have to stop conversation and wait for you to pass. You are a selfish person.

[@ToroMoto]

@@theanticrust42 lmfao what an insufferable sod you are. Maybe move into a tall high rise in a busy downtown city and you won't be able to hear the cars at the stop signs below. Sounds like that'll be more your speed.

[@1013VS]

Funny how I am watching this video, other day I told myself 2000-2010 is an era of cars with the perfect amount of tech and mechanicals.

[@BillLaBrie]

When the Mustang 5.0 was brought back in 1982, the mags said “buy one now. They might not make a car so fast again. This is the last hurrah for muscle.” Well, it’s been 40 years of faster, faster, faster. I’d say we had a pretty good run.

[@leon__feinstein]

And they’re saying it’s the last hurrah right now. It really isn’t. Anything can change in 5,10,15,20,25,30 YEARS. It’s just a matter of correct leadership that will pave the way towards a perfect future for car enthusiasts

[@kansasistheman9289]

I think the C8 mid-engine is the last hurrah for American ICE sportscars. At the end of the day, nothing accelerates as well and cheaply as an EV. I think that’s the real game changer. Tesla can make faster cars than other supercars for a fraction of the price and still make big margins.

[@BillLaBrie]

@@kansasistheman9289 those big margins haven’t materialized yet, but maybe someday.

[@leon__feinstein]

@@kansasistheman9289 Where did you read that? I don’t think the C8 is the last hurrah at all. I’ve said this many times, it all depends on leadership. No one can predict the future. So pray for gasoline powered cars.

[@leon__feinstein]

@@kansasistheman9289 Where did you read that? I don’t think the C8 is the last hurrah at all. I’ve said this many times, it all depends on leadership. No one can predict the future. So pray for gasoline powered cars.

[@tonya2183]

When I started to see the trend I immediately thought, great gasoline engine cars from this era will become like an old mechanical rolex.

[@elu5ive]

ND2 and BRZ are still hanging on as reminders of a golden era

[@benoit.b9337]

I really like when you guys do these deep thought videos, this topic has me very interested.

[@paulpellico3797]

ya..well to me when these guys start preaching the future it is like seeing my fav porn star talking politics...please, just shut up and do your thing, PLEASE?

[@CaptainFordo21]

@@paulpellico3797 it never came to your mind that these guys are actually in a good place to analyze the future of cars due to their job and you aren't? Maybe that pornstar of yours has a degree in political science and you don't. Now be quiet, the grown-ups are talking.

[@cayman9873]

@@paulpellico3797 these guys are in a perfect position to see the past and present and the rate of change over the last decade. So they know what they are talking about and its important to those of us that like to drive.

[@lt.seantopperharley6369]

@@paulpellico3797 A man that has a favourite pornstar has no right or the brainpower to determine who is in the right position to discuss a topic.

[@ghostridertom]

@@paulpellico3797 Get detailed what is a problem.

[@Aerouu]

And that's why I changed my mind about getting a fun car, wishing to feel and hear a machine, and got a motorcycle instead.

[@joseacuna3239]

I was ready to buy a Miata and bought an Africa Twin instead

[@enzog1078]

Love my ND miata better than my old nb in every way except steering feel

[@3ducs]

@@joseacuna3239 After I sold my last Ducati I bought a '16 Miata. We don't stay young forever.

[@Scypher0th]

i would kill for a bike....but the cost to get a bike license in my province is nuts after all said n done youll have paid over $3000 and 2 years will have passed.

[@joseacuna3239]

@@3ducs I guess is an age thing. Like I said, I was ready for a Miata, but considering I still have the ability to ride a motorcycle I did it. I’m not saying I’ll eventually get a Miata because I love the damn thing

[@AlphaShark]

I fell into reviewing cars a little over a year ago and it’s been one of the biggest blessings of my life. But you are so right, these cars are the last of their kind and it blows my mind that my kids very well may grow up in a world where gasoline powered cars are relics of the past. And all I’ll have left is the videos and stories of how each car felt to drive. I hope it’s not true, I want to share my passions with my future kids, I want to teach them how to drive stick and show them how a big V8 feels when you put the pedal to the metal. But business is going to go towards how the market shifts.

[@craighopwood3702]

Had exactly the same conversation, this week. I usually plan halfway through my 4 year ownership of a vehicle what the next new car I buy will be. Now I have no idea what will even be available in 2 years. New Nissan Z400 is apparently not coming to Europe, Pick-up trucks dropping like flys (Mercedes X-class and Nissan Navara have gone from Europe) Renault Sport is dropping models, Focus RS is cancelled and BMW M3/4 is now approaching £100K and the M135i is a front drive shopping trolley.

[@SKH1117]

This is the first time I’ve watched your videos and to hear your comment about cars turning into EVs and becoming “Mac, windows, and iPhones updates” just really shined a light on this discussion with where automobiles as a whole are going. You hit the nail on the head and it’s truly a devastating thing to hear at this point in time. So many of the cars we all love as enthusiasts and have grown up driving are just becoming relics.

[@alexnutcasio936]

They said the same about horses back in the 1890s.

[@kramer7026]

I can’t help but get emotional watching this. Take me back to the 90’s man

[@abovethelaw4417]

R u high ? The 90s sucked

[@johnnymichael1804]

@@abovethelaw4417 meh. Tell me which decade YOU would rather be in?

[@corsair3886]

@@abovethelaw4417 yeah well that’s like your opinion man

[@DevonRegan]

With a few small exceptions I don't long for the 90s. Steering was so vague in most 90s cars, aside from a very select group of cars power and handling wasn't stellar either. I have a 2013 Porsche Boxster S that I love. It's a perfect blend of NA power but not crazy power, awesome handling, manual trans but plenty of modern amenities.

[@kramer7026]

@@DevonRegan wasn’t just cars I was referring to, but overall quality of life. Things were much simpler. 90’s-2010 golden era of cars in my opinion.

[@MeticulousTechTV]

Great video! I just recently bought a fully loaded used 2018 Mazda 3 GT hatch 2.5L 6 speed manual with barely any miles on it and I'm absolutely in love with it. In the past, I've owned a classic Miata, a few different BMW 3s, and right before this a manual Volkswagen Jetta 2.5L and this newer Mazda 3 is such a blast to drive. I'm so glad I found something that was practical while also fulfilling my enthusiast and amateur mechanic side. I lucked out and got the car right before the worst price hikes, so I didn't get totally ripped off. Im glad I get one more shot at a small and quick manual driving experience before EVs and automated cars become the norm, something I'm not very excited about.

[@henri7359]

I bought a 70's 911sc. It is simply amazing. The level of involvement is unlike any new car. But their prices are also skyrocketing, people are noticing!

[@raysoto]

*slow clap* Beautifully said. You've captured my concerns about the future of motoring better than anyone else.

[@Ciloteille]

Also remember they are going to sell you a base package. Then later charging you a monthly fee for... heated seats, performance package, etc. Were going to soon only lease or rent them soon.

[@ruthnoya8424]

"You will own nothing and be happy." NWO

[@xmlthegreat]

I think pretty soon we'll have to pirate our cars.

[@Napoleonic_S]

The automotive equivalent to video games DLC lol.

[@THELOF1]

Exactly, cars are becoming like phones with in-app purchases. Also you don't own your car, you only have a license agreement.

[@Jonathan-nn8fe]

The "new-old" cars... "last of their kind" 🥺🥺

[@SonikDethmonkey]

Great video; I’ve been feeling like this for a while now but you’ve articulated it far better than I ever could have. As a fan of affordable hot hatches my little Fiesta ST feels more and more precious every month that goes by, realizing that it’s likely one of the last of its kind. Interesting days for sure…

[@ChrisWalksFast]

These types of videos are my favorite: when the passion of cars transcends and ties in with humanity and purpose.

[@lr_s3102]

It's an absolute shame that cars are being turned into appliances like a dishwasher or microwave. Sometimes it feels like there's no hope for us.

[@stuntmonkey00]

Car guys love to use "appliance" as a pejorative but appliances bring joy and make life easier for people. Women don't use "appliance" with the same derision and that's probably because they're more mature than us. Because really the opposite of an appliance... something that does useful work... is a "toy." We're really talking about the passing of an era when cars can casually be bought as toys.

[@nikoyochum6974]

cars have always been appliances to the vast majority of people

[@lr_s3102]

@@stuntmonkey00 "Appliances bring joy" Oh sorry, I forgot that all what fulfils me in life is hearing the wonderful beeping of a microwave. I compared modern cars to appliances because appliances have no soul. Sure, they make life easier, but I wouldn't say they bring joy.

[@redhammer92]

What? That was the entire point, to replace a literal ass work horse/draft animal.

[@redhammer92]

@@lr_s3102 Go ahead chuck it out then. Get rid of all the machines in your home and see how your day to day QoL drops. Sometimes to the busy man not having to hand wash and hang dry my laundry does bring me joy. I was pumped when i bought my first dishwasher. Times change.

[@bencovington6180]

As someone who is 21 I’m so disheartened. I’ve been in love with cars for so long. I’m working my ass off and yes I’m a college student right now studying engineering. But the idea of a new car is just beyond me. It seems like having shitboxes is going to be my life for at least the next 3-4 years.

[@UraPAuckland]

Mark, thank you for the honesty you bring to what you do! It is great to see you evolving and finding your truth in an evolving world, as opposed to dancing to the KZbin Success formula. I am proud to wear my Savage Geese TShirts as a mark of a discerning car enthusiast. I am so glad to have picked up my low kilometre NC MX5 Launch Edition which I will put a BBR225 naturally aspirated ITB kit on. This is my six speed manual forever car. Everything you said I resonate with.

[@trevorschietroma5816]

I told my friend the other day bring a trailer exists solely to inflate the price of used classics/performance cars.

[@bb5242]

Another "sold to you" type scheme.

[@spazzman90]

2 sides. Yeah, price of entry has gone up, but you're not going to take it in the shorts getting out, either. Whichever vehicle you pick.

[@slytheuberman2184]

2:15 Imagine spending 40k to have massive fake air vents all over.

[@user-hc9qv9yb9m]

Imagine spending half that on a Tesla with a bad battery pack out of warrenty

[@scottanthony3426]

A week or so ago, I saw a Civic Type R "Limited Edition" advertised by a Portland, OR car dealer for $ 69K and change. Incredible.

[@turner4243]

Well the new 2022 version won’t have the fake air vents so I guess it’s well worth 40k? Lol

[@scottanthony3426]

@@turner4243 I kid you not, week before last I spotted a Limited Edition Type R advertised at a Portland, Oregon dealership for just over $ 69K (!).

[@jonathan___4684]

I bought mine not for the looks but for the performance and pure fun of driving it. Plus the fake bumper vents are gone on the 2020+ models

[@johnnyng8527]

That’s it, I’m keeping my gr yaris till the end of the world

[@Baker_88]

My brothers and I were coming into driving age in the early 2000s. It worked out well enough for us middle class kids. Between the three of us, over the course of about 5 years, we had a 1970 AMC Javelin, an 84 Camaro Z28, a 93 Trans Am 6 speed, a 94 Formula 6 speed, an 89 and a 90 Probe GT turbo. Our friends mostly had Fox bodies and Camaros, with some imports and other muscle cars mixed in. Early 2000s we’re definitely some fun times for car enthusiasts of all ages and means.

[@nicholasfrisch244]

This is why I feel like I should hang onto my Focus RS despite being ready to move on from it at times

[@mrsluigi9478]

Lucky man, keep it for sure

[@paulvoelker327]

Same here! It's a very raw car experience and there's not a whole lot of them on the road. Plus when is the last time you saw a manufacturer release a 'drift stick' to compliment their vehicle. Imagine the future liability in something like that! It'll never happen again!

[@UrW0rstNighmare]

I have a Focus ST and I think the same thing. I love the car but at times I'd love to upgrade but do I really need to upgrade? Constantly battling my brain... Keep it and enjoy it!

[@lujr2225]

@@UrW0rstNighmare I feel the same way with my Acura RSX Type S. Currently, There are way more better cars but I just can't part ways with it. They will not make them like they use to so i'll just enjoy every second driving it. Also, whenever i hit vtec that reminds me not to sell it. That noise is just pure joy lol

[@UrW0rstNighmare]

@@lujr2225 Sounds like you need to listen to your heart!! Enjoy her while you got her!

[@chim-chimlippey1064]

The high price of new cars/slightly used really seems to be intentionally pushing people towards leasing. Putting people on a path to have to buy a new car every 3-4 years. Which honestly feels very similar to how people generally approach phone/laptop purchases. Generally you can get 3 solid years out of the product, but after that your much more at risk for issues you cannot afford and the product being outdated. Personally, I'm most bummed about the opportunity to own something with a v8 that's under 100k. The options in that market keep getting slimmer...

[@ES350gitgapped]

My cheap V8 Ford Panther platform cars have always been my affordable way to enjoy a reliable V8. It's not going to be fast, but I bought a 2008 Grand Marquis last year in quite good condition, 97k miles for $4200. Similar Grand Marquis are now being listed for $8500 around me. I had a guy offer to buy it at a gas station. My Crown Vics and last Grand Marquis never got compliments but now the Grand Marquis gets more attention than my 2003 MR2 Spyder. It's really shocking. Anyways, if someone posts a Panther platform car for a good deal, that's one to scoop up.

[@darknightbegins85]

Yup, and the car is basically becoming the phone and laptop with all the computer stuff in it. I use me stuff until it absolutely does. Had an iPhone 5s until last year and only got a new one because the car I got would not pair to a phone that old. That was my first new car in 12 years. Hoping to keep stuff like that going as long as I can but with all the computer chips it will be harder and harder. Then we will move from leasing to just all ubering and no one owning cars, self driving cars that pick you up and take you out then bring you home. That’s the ultimate future sadly

[@panzer_TZ]

I’d make the argument that people just want more and more features along with the desire for bigger vehicles, not really that the cars themselves are getting that much more expensive. A decently equipped 2021 Mazda3, Civic, or Corolla is light years ahead and very comparable in size to a 2005 Honda Accord, yet their original MSRPs are still comparable. Now you get a standard full safety suite, dual zone automatic climate control, a nice infotainment, and what would’ve been luxury car refinement back in 2005. Nowadays, everyone wants HUDs, 25” infotainment screens, cooled seats, nicer leather, pano sunroofs, 20” wheels, and 360 cameras, in the form of a 3 Row SUV or Pick Up truck.

[@wiseoracle]

People on average are keeping their cars for 9 years. With prices going up, it only makes sense to keep them longer.

[@markmiller3279]

@@panzer_TZ Absolutely agree. People compare model names without realizing how much those models have grown and how they're equipped. A Civic or Corolla of 25 years ago was smaller than a modern Accent or Versa, similarly powered (low, by modern standards), and with an interior of similar quality. Even so, the modern cars will be safer, more efficient, and have infotainment features previously inimagined. They will likely last just as long and be about as reliable. OK, they won't be as fin to drive as the best late-90s cars, but a Corolla or Escort of that era wasn't any fun, either.

[@TheAustrianDuke]

Great Video, thank you! Can i say that this video nearly brought me to tears? It describes a way, i feel since about last year. To suddenly realize, that....this Era of "living for/with cars", seems to stop. Not slowly fade out, no... but about to stop very soon. I appreciate my vehicles more and more every day, how well or "bad" they drive, just because it´s still real! I guess i was lucky enough to somewhat get the cars that i wanted, the cars and motorcycles i fell in love for. But not nearly all i would really want AS WELL. For me it would be having a car of about every category, something like a open-wheeler (Caterham,...), 2 JDM Cars, a great daily (like a Lexus GS-F), a Ferrari, a US Oldtimer for example and so on. Just so to have a example of everything the car world has to offer. A time capsule, to other times so to say. Feeling the Era´s just by driving a certain car of that time. Most of the newer drivers probably won´t even get to their "normal" dream cars. That thought saddens me.. You can also see how JDM Cars like Skylines or Supras rise to values, what no one would´ve thought. It depresses me, to realize, that i can not obtain (buy) any other (dream-)car in time. Either there would be none left, or expensive as hell (and probably no more parts around). That´s a hard pill to swallow.. Anyway, have a nice day everyone, and appreciate the stuff we (can) have now! People, cars, etc. They won´t be here forever. Greetings from Austria

[@hdemi1590]

Great video as always, we're all here together, combustion engines will live on, the power is with the people. And the enthusiasts are plenty.

[@Jeremy_810]

Remember when the new mid engine C8 Corvette was going to be a game changer at $60k... yeah, those were the days

[@JRDuran1994]

That’s crazy . It’s only been a year and half

[@falcongamer58]

Did it increase in price?

[@BlightBlaze583]

@@falcongamer58 every c8 in a 100 mile radius of me (north east) every dealer is asking 100k+

[@falcongamer58]

@@BlightBlaze583 bruuuh

[@lesliereissner4711]

Of course demand is so high for the C8s that the factory can't really keep up even as it moves into the third model year. But that is a new car: what is even crazier is that prices for C7s have skyrocketed and I see listings for C6s like mine that are considerably higher than I paid for it six years ago. I think used Porsche prices have gone nuts too. Does this mean the desperation, the existential sportscar angst, that SG describes so well here is actually widespread?

[@harumistborn]

Bought a new MX-5 GT this weekend. Going to keep it forever.

[@fhowland]

Nice! I just bought an S2000. MX was my other option. Fantastic cars.

[@suckithardnfast]

Congrats! I've had 2 miatas and hope you have as much fun as I did! I seriously miss it.

[@rutatutut]

How much?

[@jordangordon2350]

Test drove a manual 2013 mustang GT today and boy. I remember people used to talk about how after the JDM craze things weren't the same, but even this car felt like an amazing mechanical drivers experience compared to what's out now

[@JimStepsride]

This was a great video. One thing you mentioned but did not call out is the Safety aspect. You said it the passion has been sucked out of the cars of today and in the future. This is the fact that most people do not know how to handle or drive their cars anymore. The manufacturers have to overcompensate for the lack of BASIC talent. This I believe has to do more with the crossover market that to me is like buying a toaster or refrigerator. It is an appliance that is passionless, for the most part. Like everything else we all will look back and have great memories of the sound, the feel, the look of our OLD/NEW cars. Thanks for the video. Keep doing the videos I appreciate you both and your channel.

[@deicide100]

Just wait until most of the 'desired' features of a car are subscription based to continuously charge people after the initial car sale.

[@97I30T]

Yup, and that’s already happening in tons of industries right now. Companies are hellbent on getting consumers used to renting everything and owning nothing.

[@Andrew-zv4fm]

I don't think subscription plans will be a thing or people won't it. Audi wants to try to have a subscription for navigation. I can use my phone to get me around and for a lot less.

[@PressurenFlames]

@@Andrew-zv4fm For now..

[@Andrew-zv4fm]

@@PressurenFlames we will see. I don't think it will work. If many automakers are pulling out of the car subscription service, I don't think it will see a second coming. www.thedrive.com/tech/34471/car-subscription-services-are-hitting-the-skids ⬆️⬆️⬆️ The article I posted says that many car companies pulled out of the subscription service where you rent a car for a few months or so.

[@DanielPearson1]

No need to wait, ask BMW and Tesla about great deals on this month's subscription to heated seats, longer range, and intermittent wipers! And if you're a customer in good standing, they may even let you use their remote start or auto high beams this month on the car they own, but let you use some of sometimes!

[@res0zsfa]

At this point, I don’t mind buying rebuilt title cars that are fun to drive

[@list3ningcalmly796]

Agree'd

[@VirtualGuth]

This makes sense Technology changes in a heartbeat these days and the internal combustion engine will likely be abolished sooner than most car guys can conceive of (or are willing to admit). Once that date is set, well before it is enforced, a clean title or a rebuilt title won't matter. Buy them and enjoy them while you still can.

[@ken3137]

Exactly what I did with two s2000

[@NYPATRIOTBX]

I bought a 2000 z-28 original 6spd t-top car. It was a car I wanted in high school but couldn’t afford at the time. I plan on fixing it proper and enjoying it before EV’s are shoved down our throats.

[@res0zsfa]

@@ken3137 that’s what I did 👍🏼

[@YasumotoUS]

This is exactly why I picked up a STI last year. The -- not to overuse the term -- visceral and raw nature of that older power train is so much fun and tangible. I have seen Mr. Geese's take on the STI platform here and I get that it is an old platform and isn't for everybody. For me, the AWD, all-weather capabilities married with the rawness of the experience and the retention of knobs and physical controls for the head unit and HVAC make it a great experience. I do wish that I didn't have to get rid of my 2001 Integra GS-R Sedan (god, I loved that MT and the high revs), but space dictated one vehicle. I don't know how a 170hp and low torque four banger can be so much fun, but the B18C1 was a joy to operate. I was also starting to run into the parts issue for the Integra and living in the mid-Atlantic, the corrosion factor was not kind to a 19 year old daily driven vehicle. I would have had to have dumped a bunch of money into that car to restore it.

[@samaccurso]

Very well said, my everyday car is a 98' Lexus gs400, has a 4.0 v8, definitely keeping it !!

[@yoshisaurusrex3767]

You are very fortunate that you already own 3(?) great cars. I am young, I will start my first job next month and have to face the reality that by the time i have a decent income, probably nothing will be affordable anymore.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Same. Managed to get my dream car (MR2 Spyder) a couple years ago and have been putting so much money into it in new OEM gaskets, seals, bolts, studs, fresh nuts, a fresh windshield, headlights covers, fresh caliper covers... the list goes on, all to keep it living healthy so I can continue to enjoy it as I age. I could afford it two years ago at 5K, but I already see them listed for 12K and above on the usual pages. Need to get a daily just to take the daily strain off what will hopefully be the car I drive until I die, but I see everything old and affordable steadily rising beyond my means.

[@MetalJigRebirth]

Same here, grew up loving 90s JDM cars, and right now I"m just thinking what is the point of getting a driver's license. Everything will be unaffordable by the time I earn enough to buy anything

[@alangil40]

I made a list, search for my other comment.

[@Nivolk_J]

The cost of cars is actually surprisingly stable when adjusting for inflation. We're getting hit with increasing costs for housing, healthcare, and education that are outpacing inflation. The thing that isn't keeping up is wages. Being squeezed makes it very hard to decide to have a 'play' car.

[@williamlevy1981]

Democrat politicians have been pushing for minimum wage increases because they know INFLATION would expose their decision making. (Spend more than they collect, continue to borrow & print money that doesn't exist). So on paper you received a raise. But because of inflation thanks to irresponsible politicians, the "raise" had little to no effect. It's a SCAM.

[@jaball77]

Yep. It drives me nuts when I see the "Fun cars are too expensive now" argument. Fun cars have ALWAYS been expensive. I bought my 2000 Civic Si new for $17,500 in the year 2000. Adjusted for inflation it would cost over $27,000 in 2021. Today MSRP for a new Civic Si is right around $25,000.

[@Indskret]

@@williamlevy1981 not really. I believe we in America should at least move our budget into more moral things such as Healthcare and Wages, instead of wasting more than 52% of Our Budget on the military.

[@ButterNutter37]

@@williamlevy1981 hate to break it to you but the Federal Reserve is an apolitical organization with members appointed by both parties. Their goal is inflation, it's the only way the US maintains its currency monopoly and the ability to service our debt. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

[@Lordofcin]

@@williamlevy1981 inflation happens naturally, it has since forever. The US aims for ~1.7% (I think) per year, so a minimum wage should rise alongside the cost of living

[@eddstarr2185]

Mark, I can't overstate how future laws, especially on the local level, will impact which vehicles you will be able to buy. Through legislation, your choice of future vehicles could be severely limited, making the year 2021 look like the good old days. As for old cars, think what you'll do by the year 2040 when you receive notification that your vehicle license is ineligible for renewal.

[@robertm5969]

"That's the future car." I don't want it. I feel like 2000-2010 was the golden age.

[@JJ-mh3hb]

90s were the golden age

[@fabioribeiro1009]

@@JJ-mh3hb 80s were the real golden age.

[@tigamilla2594]

My E92 M3 agrees

[@dufferego87]

@@Zelknite my brother has one. That thing is slow, boring and inefficient, but my god, is it built like a freaking tank. I feel like nothing could break it when I drove it.

[@massterwushu9699]

7:00 everyone said this about the Nissan GTR 35 at launch. Called it a “video game car”. Oh how times have changed.

[@massterwushu9699]

@Steven I wonder what we’ll be saying 10 years from now

[@dragospahontu]

I think an original Audi R8 V8 with a manual is one to grab right now before it gets crazy expensive!

[@tr33t]

v8 is not good when there is a v10... get that if you want something of value, thank me later

[@blackonblack...9244]

Man, they getting up there in price. Ever since the used car market jacked up, everything went up. I've been looking for all my dream cars on autotempest and it's rough out there. Supposedly prices are coming down due to the pandemic. But the special used cars aren't budging from their price point.

[@ethancknight]

@@tr33t Who cares about v10 when the v8 comes paired with a manual transmission.

[@bbc_junior4863]

@@ethancknight Yea, plus some people prefer the sound of the V8 over the V10

[@rhatala27]

@@ethancknight The V10 came with a gated manual too.

[@teabaggins3517]

I recently sold my 09 GT-R and got a 2017 with the Rakuda Tan interior. I figured it's gonna be the last GT-R and if not at least the last internal combustion one. I'm taking it to to the grave.

[@MrButtons252]

I am 39 now. When I was 17 I could buy a clean 1980s 300zx for under $2000. I ended up with a 86 300zx setup for SCCA for $2800 with 70k miles. There was TONS of fun / cool cars for less then $5k. GTI, SE-R, civic SI, etc. Now used cars that i find interesting start at 20k with a ton of hard miles. My biggest fear is losing out on the modding, dyno, and tuning. Seems like with an EV.. you get what you get.