'Cartoons Bernie & Biden React to Super Tuesday' Ep. 307 | Our Cartoon President | SHOWTIME

[@taliquetaylor2407]

“The odds he repeatably stacked against himself!” 😂😂😂😂💀

[@heartandtroll9993]

This comment is funny, but you clearly plagiarized it.

[@sheriaddis6573]

Talique Taylor only surpassed by the odds everyone else repeatedly stacked in his favor😜

[@octaviocuesta1155]

@@heartandtroll9993 It's ok, his quotations are citations

[@UchihaKat]

"This is still better than paying 2% more in taxes" omfg. XD

[@demonseed360]

Which is exactly why he ran lol, people actually believe that a guy with 50 billion gives a crap about being president. The money he spent on the race was a long term investment.

[@cngbuddah]

"Thank you American Samoa!" ahaha dead! ikr

[@bullwarkminiatures6397]

Amy Charizard... I lol'd

[@eddyk3]

@@demonseed360 He's 78 and spent $500m. He was never going to see the money back.

[@spherhy]

@@eddyk3 even if he only lived 10 more years both Warren and Sanders tax plans (particularly the wealth tax) would have him paying significantly more than $500M

[@juancarloscampos2045]

"Amy Charizard" 😂😂😂 I'm wheezing

[@ronaldgreed4967]

Careful not to selfdestruct

[@benjaminsinclair9979]

My wife called her "Amy Kombucha"

[@chaoticcranium]

No, you're Weezing.

[@DCT-tt8ib]

Benjamin Sinclair Karen Kombucha

[@torytrice4016]

LOL LOL LOL

[@JdDiehl]

“This scrappy kid from Scranton repeatedly beat all the odds he stacked against himself” 🤣🤣🤣

[@John-X]

"and I got, i got hairy legs that turn, that that that that that turn blonde in in in the sun. and the kids used to run their hands down my legs and watch the hair go down and come back up again. so I learned about roaches I learned about kids jumping on my lap, and i love kids jumping on my lap" ~ Joe Biden *_WHAT?_*

[@MalevolentDivinity]

"Always a good sign when the people who know you the least like you the best." Simultaneously true and terrifying. There's a possibility that Biden could be the nominee. Yikes.

[@DSAK55]

Worked for trump

[@Atlas0622]

@@DSAK55 Trump supporters know him and love how racist and unhinged he his

[@kmel3588]

"electability" is a joke and Biden is a gaff machine that faux news and trump will be spinning for days, its gonna be 2016 all over again only this time democrats will lose control of the supreme court for decades too

[@luisgutierrez8047]

Tulsi still running apparently....so there's a glimmer of hope

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

@@kmel3588 It's much worse than 2016. Biden is an infinitely weaker candidate than Clinton ever was AND Trump is a lot stronger.

[@Oakley_TheTree]

"Thanks to my fervent supporters I cross the street to avoid, your enthusiasm continues to shock and annoy the nation." 😂😂😂😂

[@ytkenny5]

Did they get Bernie Sanders to voice Bernie Sanders? He sounds just like him

[@philippinevlogsandgamingpl7671]

they got James Adomian

[@theoutsideperspective2958]

C G The next best option :D

[@johnnyb7628]

I thought the same thing 😂😅

[@austintrousdale2397]

Get Michael Brooks to do it!

[@ThatGuy-te9wh]

It's an incredibly easy imitation to do.

[@alonzabrown5345]

"We tried the fair election thing. Time for plan B. Let's start pounding nails into baseball bats." Accurate.

[@GhostlyJorg]

In fact that is the only reasonably way forward - * metaphorically * speaking

[@johntao6822]

@@GhostlyJorg no. Violence only gets you locked up

[@GhostlyJorg]

@@johntao6822 what part of "metaphorically speaking" didn't you get?

[@Deranfan]

Scratch an ancom and a tankie bleeds.

[@anthonymedina9425]

@@johntao6822 Sanders was arrested for peaceful protests ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@comet_mcmxcv]

“i took selfies with a million sweaty strangers for this I AM CORONAVIRUS PATIENT ZERO” warren taking the role of crazy amy 😂

[@dagello]

*Starts pounding nails into baseball bats, whispering "Eat the rich."*

[@1337w0n]

*Starts sharpening the guillotine, muttering "Central Park, 2021..."*

[@xyzsame4081]

lol - Thanks for the laugh. - but you never know, maybe a screenshot of this comment will be shown tomorrow on mainstream media proving how mean Bernie Bros are. - I root for the baseball bat it is portable !

[@brocksamson3282]

pitchforks and torches

[@pursuitofexcitement]

Going full tankie!

[@donHooligan]

the steaks may be tasty, but the rest goes in stew.

[@tristarnexus]

I like Bernie and I feel the jokes they make about him are fair while not being "misinformative" would be interesting to know if supporters of other candidates felt the same way about theirs.

[@craigrobb8197]

as a berner, i think it's funny too. they aren't cheap shots or gaslighting with misinfo. they're actually pretty fair to everyone

[@VioletEnds]

@@craigrobb8197 *pssst* Guys, this is way too positive! Everyone says we're toxic, remember? You're damaging our reputation

[@Statsy10]

I wonder what the Biden supporters think of this caricature of him? Obviously, even his most ardent supporters must admit he’s a little dopey at times, but this version of him is next level stupid. Any Biden people out there with an opinion on this?

[@robertm8274]

As a Biden guy and someone who dabbles in satire writing, I get the portrayal, but I think it’s a little over the top. They make it seem like it’s almost impossible for him to have genuine support. I’m not blind to his shortcomings, he was born with a stutter that has resurfaced. I know where he stands on the issues and he’s a good, decent man. The dislike ratios on his KZbin content are pretty ridiculous given how much we all DO agree on. Criminal justice, gun control, the need for Supreme Court justices etc. Also the idea that he and Obama don’t have a great relationship is nonsense. I enjoy the show entirely except for this part. Welp, here’s to getting downvoted.

[@TheShadowlord18]

Pretty sure forgetting Obama's name is not a stutter...

[@marcel84marcel]

I'm going to the Bernie Sanders rally in Detroit, Michigan today! The crowd is going to be huge. Michigan will once again save Bernie's campaign! Let's get it! Bernie 2020!

[@MikeJ2023]

marcel84 Bernie Sanders is a grumpy old man.

[@lauravenables100]

YESSSSSSSSS

[@davidjijo6657]

please don't use the comment section purely to promote your petty agenda. we get that y'all like Bernie but constantly reminding us of him won't make us like him.

[@rickardkaufman3988]

@@MikeJ2023 So is Biden and Trump.

[@kiandocherty3589]

@@MikeJ2023 And? So is Biden lol.

[@nateblack8669]

This election just got really depressing.

[@smithcas86]

Trump voters: “For you...”

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@smithcas86 Trump voters? May corona virus find them, one good out of this crisis would be welcome.

[@PK-vt6ed]

jeck jeck That’s a pretty shitty thing to say. How’s Hillary doing?

[@turq1824]

@@jeckjeck3119 I'll be sure to laugh in your face hard when you get it now just for saying that libtard

[@Deranfan]

Neoliberals: "For you" .

[@MikeJ2023]

Did Joe Biden just teleport to American Samoa?

[@kanalkucker14]

You could say he just stumbled there 😂😂

[@The_M2023]

He quantum leaped there!

[@goldenyak629]

He doesn't know where he is, so in terms of quantum he can be anywhere.

[@keybadejedi70]

That could be the infamous Other Biden

[@VioletEnds]

@@keybadejedi70 Lol, so not the one that's running for the Senate?

[@noahhenderson3164]

THIS! You actually understand "big joke 3 days ago" "still better than paying 2% more in taxes" "always a good sign when the people who know you the least like you the most"

[@GhostNameless]

They see me votin' They hatin' Misquoting me. Tryna make me votin' Biden.

[@xoxoRS97]

Seems like you didn't vote at all.

[@davidrichman5004]

Try'na make me vote for Biden Try'na make me vote for Biden

[@GhostNameless]

Their base is so loud It's crashing They hopin' that they gonna catch me votin' Biden.

[@docan5248]

lmfao. hilarious. but also, thanks for bringing that song back into my awareness.

[@AkilBBoy]

Nobody is trying to make you do nothing, the Democratic majority is voting for Biden. Nobody told you to vote for Biden.

[@kpopstanfan_5124]

They should really replace that showtime poster art of just Bernie and Biden arm wrestling. Edit: I have some bad news..

[@kpopstanfan_5124]

Joe Curr we live in a society.

[@QueenOTheSea]

I agree, but include a couple moderate candidates trying to help Biden

[@jonathaneilbeck2263]

It's just Bernie and Biden having a anime fight. Complete with Jojo poses. Except they'd probably die if they did that in real life.

[@Wolf6119]

That whole "Pounding nails into baseball bats" thing sure ended up being prophetic quickly...

[@tyrian_baal]

I DIDNT EVEN CAMPAIGN IN HALF OF THESE STATES!

[@DiThi]

He won because he didn't campaign, not despite it.

[@joecaves6235]

Red states.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@DiThi MSM campaigned for him:/

[@docan5248]

Cory the Norm Same exact states Hilary won in the ‘16 primary and went on to lose to trump

[@Norvo82]

"Amy Charizard" gives me life.

[@jacobcarter6332]

"the DNC sent me here until November' the fact that they WOULD, makes this all the better. Also why did they have to remind me of the hairy legs comment

[@matthew8153]

Jacob Carter Well there’s a whole song about the hairy legs

[@EasyKiwi111]

The voices on this show are so accurate 😂

[@billbridge7458]

I can't vote for Biden. He told me to vote for someone else.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

A Phoenix is Rising Yeah, the other Biden.

[@HiroshiKoto]

“Thank you American Samoa, my only Super Tuesday win. ” - Bloomberg. Had me crack up lol 😂

[@jazzminrice]

I’m with Bernie time for Plan B lmfao

[@RobinHood-pf2bf]

If Bernie had any balls, he would run as an independent once the DNC screws him again! This will screw the dems and also guarentee a 2nd term for Trump!

[@enclave315]

@@RobinHood-pf2bf if they pick Biden it's already a guaranteed second term for Trump

[@enclave315]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 they said the same thing about Hillary and we saw how that turned out

[@enclave315]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 and you think anything's going to be different this time around Joe Biden is still the establishment candidate and Working Class People do not want the establishment, coming from a family who are two-time Obama voters, Bernie in the primaries and then voted Trump the thing they want the most is something different. What we have now isn't working for them it didn't work for them 4 years ago didn't work them 8 years ago and I know it won't work in the future. I'm not saying Joe Biden isn't better than Trump I'm just saying people would rather gamble with Trump's false hope and bravado and take what they know Biden's going to give them

[@enclave315]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 hey I hope you're right but that is the same kind of assuredness that I heard from literally every source during the 2016 election overconfidence is what killed Hillary Clinton and it could be what kills Biden

[@jamesparker223]

VITALLY IMPORTANT to be aware of the BUCA DI BEPPO reference. It is an INCREDIBLE italian chain that is in texas and possibly a few other states. The food is INCREDIBLE. You must go try it. Expensive but very worth a date night or a family outing. Amazing amazing amazing place.

[@yourfitnessnook]

I agree! Laughed so hard when he said that lol

[@vincentgarcia6630]

Wait I thought that was just more nonsense Too bad I live in the Pacific Northwest :\

[@jefolson6989]

I used "decorate" new Bucca di Beppo locations. (The 'quotation marks " mean I gave them what they asked for. Not my taste.) Early Italian-American- Photos of Sinatra and Sophia Loren's boobs. You are welcome. Decent food .

[@ozkey1558]

@@jefolson6989"Estate sale for the deceased mother of a small time gangster" isn't your design taste? 😂 Still, everything tastes better near Sophia Loren.

[@jefolson6989]

@@ozkey1558 HAHA you are obviously familiar with my work!. Inspired by the living room of Mrs. Albanese, a friends grandma. "Sit down. Eat!"

[@avatarmikephantom153]

Can we get a cartoon tulsi to just look at a camera and be like “really democrats, you won’t even acknowledge me?”

[@pixiebells]

I don't think anyone knows what her voice sounds like...or what her face looks like.....

[@avatarmikephantom153]

pixiebells she’s shown briefly on the show during the first debate where the moderators label her “crazy Russian asset.”

[@PK-vt6ed]

Michael Richard She actually gained credibility if were being honest. His fake impeachment was a clownshow and the Left list supporters have such horrible Trump Derangement Syndrome that they cannot decipher right from wrong lol

[@PK-vt6ed]

JadeWarrior Haha in the biased and furious House of Representatives who are majority Democrats? He’s going to win in 2020 and there’s absolutely NOTHING you can do about it :) We might get the house back too. Have a great Friday!

[@PK-vt6ed]

JadeWarrior I said to my righty friends we still have to vote. Can’t get complacent. Hashtags and online bitchfests don’t win elections - showing up to the voting booths do.

[@martymcfly508]

This comment section is one of the best iv'e seen in a long time, Still we should remember none of our comments mean anything if we dont get out and vote! Vote!! VOTE!!!

[@Wichnam]

Can someone lend me a basebalbat? … I don't got one.

[@goldenyak629]

Substitute a length of 2x4, a broken chair leg, a fallen tree-branch... anything you can pound nails into that's relatively swingable!

[@iamaloafofbread8926]

I don't have nails, but I have bats

[@joshuafass5841]

What is the appropriate length of nail should I buy to properly stick through a bat or similarly shaped slab of wood?

[@aomine6817]

that's bad, BaseballBat for All!

[@fumarc4501]

I also don’t have baseball bat, but I do have a sawed off table leg.

[@dreamsquadhd3024]

Cartoon Bernie is so freakin cute. I want to watch this for the next 8years. Pleeeease vote for him.

[@Grumpollion]

He's toast.

[@Gil7111TX]

LOL and he's not going to president, yet alone the nominee.🤣

[@DanA-nl5uo]

Biden's actually speech was funnier. The idea that a person with sundowning is the frontrunner is pure comity gold.

[@healsallwounds]

Well, Donald Trump is sundowning too, so I suppose it’s a battle between dementia patients.

[@DanA-nl5uo]

@@healsallwounds I am hoping the Democratic voters will choose the non dementia patient there is still time.

[@palmoart]

@@DanA-nl5uo A lot of Time.

[@DanA-nl5uo]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 The GOP all votes the same way their fearless leader tell them to as well so you have no moral high ground there.

[@caleb1861]

@@DanA-nl5uo The GOP hated Donald Trump and he still won. They backed Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio before they begrudgingly accepted Trump.

[@joaomelo7018]

"This is still better than me paying 2% more in taxes" - The unadultered truth of how every billionaire and major DNC donor feels.

[@franklance9167]

Here's my perspective. I am OK with Bernie including Warren in A cabinet position. I am not OK with her being VP.

[@steinmaniac7920]

Let her go against wall street and see how reliable she is, then maybe some other tasks.

[@dolphinfeathers]

She would actively plan his assassination if she was vp

[@steinmaniac7920]

@@dolphinfeathers I think she might do that regardless of her position, tbh.

[@miko57wang]

Guys Warren is an amazing Progressive Senator. One look into her Senate history and you can tell she's on Bernie's side. She had to stand out against Bernie and unfortunately that didn't turn out well for her since she went the Gender Identity route. Let's not go AWOL over if she does become the VP pick.

[@phoenix5054]

Frank Lance Don’t worry. She’s not gonna be VP because Bernie is not going to be the Dem nominee.

[@mickstan24]

"I'm done talking policy, here's my new platform! Duh dar dar dardardar duh dar dar dar."

[@4primus]

I am going to miss Cartoon Amy. Please keep her in somehow lol

[@chrissiek8706]

My favorite this season. The only reason i got wee sad when she dropped

[@iolucar5029]

Feel The Bern ❤

[@vcxz4009]

no

[@caydenmichael98]

@@vcxz4009 Bern baby

[@Gil7111TX]

Trump:Bernie is the biggest loser!🤣

[@blueivy3357]

"Your continual support has shocked and annoyed the nation." Please tell me I am not the only one who feels this.

[@innoclaustdbd2894]

The bernie voice actor is spot on!

[@KykyDJenkins]

1:09 Me when my girl is indecisive about where she wants to go eat

[@Talok85]

I'm sure Bernie would be more than happy to have Warren as his VP

[@yurik1068]

If you want a backstabber as your VP.

[@docan5248]

Cory the Norm and redemption of her branding

[@bahaar2825]

@@yurik1068 Yes, but without her supporters, he can't win. He needs all the votes he can get and that includes backstabbers. This is the only way she can redeem herself.

[@rapcat1271]

Nina Turner's his VP

[@benjipkcrew]

A good steP there would be endorsing him. Immediately.

[@frankie1012]

People who know you the least, like you the best. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@dpsbetkid9985]

“I wanna thank my fellow Democrats for their endorsements, Amy Charzard, Major Peep, and all the the way from Texas, Booka De Pepo!” -Joe Biden

[@LiaMari]

It's funny, but as a Vermonter who first met Bernie in 1984 I can promise you, while the joke about crossing the street to avoid his supporters is funny, it has no basis in fact. Bernie has always been willing to stop and talk to anyone who recognized him. 1in 2 Vermonters has met Bernie at least once. Can Biden say that about his former constituents? {If you're going to say, "more people in Bidens state", do adjusted percentages/ratio/per capita, and get back to me. Bernie doesn't just talk to Us, he Listens. He has been loyal to Us, his constituents straight through, and he would never "cross the street to avoid" any of Us.

[@ecclairmayo4153]

Hahha the bernie voice kills me! Both Bernie and Elizabeth warren yelling and angry, yeah!

[@McRocket]

This one was pretty good, IMO.

[@linanicolia1363]

This is the most entertaining stuff on KZbin !!!!! Beautifully done...these faces are perfect !!!!! and the comments are terrific !

[@2FadeMusic]

"The DNC sent me here until November!" LMFAO

[@pollythepengiun3927]

When Bernie said “let’s start hammering nails into bats” I laughed because it’s not too far fetched from leftists like me 🤣 this is such an awesome series idc that they rag on everyone it makes it 10x better.

[@one_smol_duck]

The only innacuracy in this is that we're all getting ready for a riot while Bernie is the one up there giving a speech like "No, no. Let's not boo my good friend Joe."

[@uscscjohnson]

Agree. It is really the only comedy that hits both sides. Everyone loves to laugh they just don't like to be exclusively laughed at.

[@kellydaniels3246]

I'm kinda sad angry Amy didnt have a speaking role this time. I love angry amy.

[@No773.6]

Amy always angry 😆😆😆 she is like the hulk… but cooler 😇😇

[@cartoonnetwork1fan26]

LOVE Cartoon amy

[@garysheldonjr8379]

1:01 “Boka De peto” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@makingmoneywithmj7752]

The cartoon parody of Biden is more coherent

[@awesomeboy4353]

This is the best cartoon president clip because it is so funny and so true

[@VincentVonDudler]

The youth of this country continues to disappoint.

[@iamaloafofbread8926]

Ok boomer

[@e.h.5680]

They do. We expected a much bigger turnout.

[@sandpiperr]

The old people ain't exactly killing it either! Just in different ways. The youth dissapoint by not turning out. The elders with their racism and inability to grasp that it's no longer 1980!

[@VincentVonDudler]

@@iamaloafofbread8926 Heh - technically I am a millennial. Although I did vote...so am I *really*?

[@armandbireaud9281]

This is absolutely priceless. Thank you showtime

[@xyzsame4081]

Is it just me or does Bernie have fans among the writers ?

[@sammendoza9630]

Amy Charizard😅

[@shonwest1539]

He said "Amy Charizard" ...I'm dead 😂😂🤣🤣😭😭😭

[@dmurray417]

Vote for patient zero, she's still my hero !

[@Jackpl]

5000 years from now, the robots of Planet Earth will think this was a historical documentary.

[@sandpiperr]

It might as well be.

[@sumanthprabhu11]

Jimmy Fallon does the Best Bernie Sanders Impression

[@chrissiek8706]

Nah, Seth Meyer is the best Bernie.

[@cesarmadero05]

James Adomian look Bernie vs Bernie

[@johnnyb7628]

That voice for warren though 😂😂😂

[@understandtheotherside5327]

My first time seeing. How is that possible

[@lookmanoclothes9829]

Me too

[@linanicolia1363]

Beautiful cartoon about our authentic circus show !

[@kevinhixson1586]

Now that Andrew yang works for CNN you can use his character more often

[@kelseyspencer8107]

This is the funniest rendition of Chuck Todd I've ever seen...the caricature itself is perfect!

[@wackoyacko4541]

Warren went full Charizard

[@Silver_-cs9cj]

“Amy Charizard”. I’m dead.

[@JenniferRubyHan]

Did Biden say "Amy Charizard"? Because I feel it coming from a Pokemon reference.

[@fumarc4501]

Cartoon Elizabeth Warren is still my favorite.

[@The_M2023]

What about Tulsi Gabbard? Y’all need to do a funny one about her!

[@brigadiergeneral2399]

Michael Meadows Tulsi who?

[@The_M2023]

The last female candidate to run for President. She only has 2 delegates

[@noloking]

These are so well done

[@frankie1012]

Hey Boomberg!! 😂🤣

[@eternalhalloween1]

Credit where credit is due. Elizabeth Warren did destroy Bloomberg. And Bloomberg did suck big time.

[@user-qu5js9vw9o]

Even in satire Bernie is a gentleman

[@treehugger5435]

This sums it all up

[@toparriveria3478]

bring Tulsi

[@lionman3378]

This was the best one yet.

[@thetruth4077]

Amy Charizard 😂😂😂😂😂

[@SunflowerSocialist]

I’m still waiting for further instruction. I have a baseball bat full of nails.

[@joeyzilla6912]

Time for plan B let’s start pounding nails in baseball bats - Bernie 2020 🇺🇸

[@jairusdavis3619]

That's the milkshake usa dance lol

[@gridvid]

So we tried the fair election thing

[@philippinevlogsandgamingpl7671]

yellow vests mfers!!

[@supergluehotty]

In the 1% chance that a Democrat wins please keep doing our cartoon president.

[@Ken15643]

At least the Dems care about this country. That’s more than I can say for Reps.

[@Grumpollion]

You mean they care about votes.

[@mdaddy775]

The writing's on fire! Love it

[@jamesscannell7951]

Bernie would never cross the street to avoid a supporter.

[@KageFighter]

,”dan dan danold de dan dan thawnt thawnt thawnt thawnt.” Is the best. What song is that from?

[@sairen5121]

The DNC's commitment to Trump's second re-election is inspiring.

[@CloneJFK]

Lol Biden won troll

[@sairen5121]

@@CloneJFK Only by voter fraud, congrats

[@profmembrane1720]

@@sairen5121 Like Trump's win in 2016? 😂

[@sairen5121]

@@profmembrane1720 Nah he won fair and square.🤷

[@profmembrane1720]

@@sairen5121 Lol sure, never mind the extensive documentation of his lying, stealing, and cheating in the past 🤣

[@kilted911]

When Biden was mispronouncing his formal rival’s names! 😂😂😂

[@victorhiggins9636]

"Amy Charzar Major Pete and all the way from Texas Pooka DaPepo"

[@ThatGuy-te9wh]

i love how biden is shouting everything.

[@Username-ei4ff]

This comedy is scarily accurate. So much that I'm going to believe this is what actually happened after Super Tuesday voting ended.

[@psychonaut1829]

If its Biden vs Trump, im gonna be too embarrassed to watch

[@stephenbachman132]

I like the nails in baseball bat idea. Thats going places. Probably jail. But going places.

[@tanapatyangkaew4649]

I laughed when biden sing

[@penhdog2207]

If only Biden spoke as coherently as that version.

[@contrapasso]

Aw Liz 😭

[@tevzcrnic4456]

How do they do the Bernie voice

[@Weredah]

Atleast make it believable, this joe biden can actually form a full sentence, and knows where he is, unlike...actual joe biden.

[@gabrielbacal]

“Duhm dah donh “ 😂

[@kevindenning7361]

Joe's got a good hart.

[@kiandocherty3589]

He was a segregationist and wanted to cut social security...

[@Wichnam]

@@kiandocherty3589 Such a good heart…. *Says this in a soft and near romantic tone.* Alright, now that that is done, time to grab some nails and basebalbats!

[@ReidBlakley]

Not a good brain tho

[@yurik1068]

The guy is a sell out. Now he's just a senile sellout.

[@kevindenning7361]

@@ReidBlakley bern is a pawn of the NRA.

[@manuela9556]

Why is Detroit always saving Bernie, Bernie is just to nice to be a revolutionary icon.