DO NOT BUY A JAGUAR LANDROVER DIESEL - BEFORE WATCHING THIS

[@colinwhite5355]

I’m an old fart and run two ancient 1.9D’s - one Peugeot (my daily work van with over 200,000 miles), the other a Citroen converted to a little camper. In July, my pal’s £50,000 camper (Peugeot Boxer based) broke down due to DPF failure. Eventually handed a £3200 bill on a vehicle with just 19000 miles (all long journeys). He ended up using my old Citroen while his was fixed. Last week, another pal’s 19 plate F Pace went into limp mode then completely chucked it. It’s been recovered to a Jaguar dealer who, unbelievably, can’t even diagnose it till November due to them being fully booked. Yes, he too, is using my old Citroen until his very expensive driveway ornament is repaired. I suspect my old plodders will still be plodding on for many more years to come (One a T Reg, the other a W - it would be funny if this wasn’t a symptom of a very serious issue with many modern diesels)

[@daveblack5109]

Agree. Fist thing to get 'junked -EGR and replace the oil more often. My ageing beauty is an 08 CR-V 2.2 now at 193K. Had to replace the rear shocks last year due to corrosion. maybe I should start washing it!!

[@Wiltshire-observer]

@@colinwhite5355 Last century’s French diesels were the best in my opinion. Uncomplicated, yet fantastically reliable and economical. The best recent diesel engine was the 1.5dci from Renault. I had my van from new, clocked up 120K miles in six years, had it regularly serviced also used plenty of Ultra-diesel through it. Kept injectors and everything else perfect. Cam belt changed at 90K miles. Was still purring when I sold it on.

[@killj802]

1986 300d Merc. Just turned 600,000 miles, it’s good to finally get it “run-in” … All modern cars are pure junk.

[@khalidacosta7133]

I've got a 1999 2.0 HDi on 250k. No major issues. Replaced with a 2009 2.0 HDi on 235k and climbing. No issues either.. and it has a fully functional DPF (no smoke at all, at any point, exhaust is squeaky clean). Peugeot DPF's have largely been perfected thanks to it's excellent Eolys system.

[@khang2122]

​@@Wiltshire-observeris this the one in the nissan qashqai? looking at getting a qashqai +2 2012 onwards

[@ryanmccormick2150]

My old Boss had a Discovery sport with that 2.0 in it.... he had nothing but problems and because of that I love the 2.0 land rover lump 😂

[@BionicRusty]

🤣😂

[@markbrennan4693]

All premium cars seem to be going to pot. A Beemer with a chain driven motor used to bullet proof, not anymore. Stick it at the back and use nylon guides ! Ford ecobang put a rubber belt and run it in oil. Bring back push rod engines.

[@stephenhammond9793]

Side valves would be even better...

[@gregculverwell]

Agreed. I had a 1991 BMW 535. I did 350 000 with it before I sold it to get an M5. Never had any problems with the timing chain.

[@simonh870]

I know of two people at work who have vehicles with this engine. Their favorite topic of conversation is what has gone wrong with them in the past few weeks. One has cost it's owner £4000 in repairs in the last couple of months.

[@jonathanfrankel6787]

Yup , a friend of mine has one , it’s been off the road more often than it’s been on in the last few months .

[@cp4512]

I’ve been there too. Will never buy another.

[@111amy1111]

I’ve spent £8k repairing mine. Turbo Timing chain DPF sensor. All at only 88k miles. Worst engine in the world. Getting rid of it.

[@tonymerrett]

@@DebraLeighfield hey y a yea! go for it! lots of fb user groups might be very productive for u. best tony

[@ThePstorm]

Excellent advice. Personally, I've heard so many bad things about these, id never consider one.

[@johnbrooke9948]

Change the oil and filters every 5 or 6k and they should last many thousands of miles without any major trouble. Oil is cheap- engines are not.

[@davidclarke9767]

A 4x4 garage next to my industrial unit he told me 2 years ago to steer clear of the ingenium engine in his experience if you get 60000 miles out of one your doing well. He breaks Range Rovers and sells the odd one he has a large yard full of JLM products so he has a lot of experience.

[@philiphughes4117]

Good, honest advice, freely given once again. Thank you, and keep them coming. Much appreciated.

[@raycollington4310]

This engine has a timing chain from a Raleigh bicycle and IMO anyone who buys a JLR with their own money, needs their head examining. A fool and his money and all that. Thank you for public service broadcasting and helping inform potential JLR victims .

[@kevinmoffatt]

Put your mind at rest before buying, do the checks and confirm no start up rattle. Then sleep easy waiting for the inevitable? No, think I'll pass, thank you.

[@daveblack5109]

I had a 3.0L XF that did 128K. apart from brakes It had the cracked header tank issue cost £50 for a new tank and£10 for antifreeze and that was it other than routine servicing. . my friends and colleagues who went down the ingenium route (all 6 of them) have had expensive disasters with the DPF and 3 of them timing chains. I think JLR products are fabulous but I daren't buy one with that engine. Even if it came with a spare engine!

[@lorddarlo6194]

Well some Jaaaags are alright and Land Rovers to depends on what you need a Landy for. The F-Type Jag say is absolutely beautiful or the old one was if you Brought the 3.0 Litre Supercharged V6 or 5.0 Litre Supercharged V8 I don't think you would need your head checking as they are cool and mean sounding cars, XF-S same engine as the F-Type S 3.0 Litre V6, F-Pace R, Defender Petrol with a slower V6 or Straight 6 or the Defender V8 you may use to go off road or to tow stuff. Range Rover V8 to although They are becoming a car most people have to be conceived as rich. Most people who have that benefit would buy an X5 or a Jag

[@Destroyhamasscum]

Raleigh 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JohnJones-k9d]

I think you mean it has the cam chain etc from a 1970/80 Honda 750/900 engines.

[@jacobboni3889]

Interesting Video, I spoke to a dealer I know very well and he said to me in honesty just avoid the Ingenium engine as there are plenty of better engines around

[@elliottpeters2996]

Not really. Not anymore. All the manufacturers are turning out garbage, disposable engines. Even premium brands have taken to buying engines from other makes that are garbage too. Nobody has any interest in building a car that will last. Their business is to sell you a brand new car every three years. They don't need to care what happens to their products beyond the warranty period.

[@mrt-ji9qg]

Good video I will add that whilst the ingenium engines are unreliable, particularly the pre 2020 models, the issues I see most often is incorrect car choice. These and most modern diesels are not efficient when used for continual short journey or city driving. Such as the school run and popping out for a few miles, this kills them. A colleague has one the Jaguar XE 2.0 and it is primarily used for short trips and school runs. I have told him but some people just need to learn the hard way!🤷

[@robertowen6499]

I have a pre 2020 XF which has been excellent.Most modern cars are getting criticised by someone or other and I am sure that some of the criticism is valid.Machinery always 7:00 needs to be well maintained to give the best service.Aircraft Technician.

[@Wiltshire-observer]

Always good advice from Lee. Fortunately, I can’t afford that type of vehicle ! - so ten year old Vauxhalls are my purchases.

[@Mybwain]

I can afford them but I like old motors

[@Altair885]

Worth a mention - The timing chain on these lives at the back of the engine behind the flywheel which is why the job is so expensive. To gain access to it you must remove the transmission and flywheel. Of course while you're that far involved it also makes sense to replace the clutch and possibly the duel mass flywheel at the same time - realistically that could set you back a few thousand quid! Another big issue with these engines that wasn't mentioned is that the coolant system is prone to leaks. It's quite common for those small plastic coolant lines all around the engine to develop cracks, this should be flagged up as a warning on the dashboard once the coolant gets low, but some owners might not take heed of these warnings and the engine can soon become damaged once the level drops far enough. EGR faults are by far the biggest cause of DPF issues. If a fault is detected in the EGR system it reverts the fuel trim settings to a default value, which usually results in an over fuelling situation for most types of driving conditions, this of course accelerates the soot level content of the DPF and also prevents it from regenerating, which in turn can lead to DPF failure. In short anything that prevents a modern diesel from running correctly usually has knock on effects that will be expensive to rectify if not fixed quickly.

[@johanndork5364]

Add balancer shaft problems to that list.

[@noelcahill6707]

So go to a man and blank the egr and dpf if you really want 1

[@Altair885]

@@noelcahill6707 That's an option, but fuel trims must also be mapped correctly or it could possibly fail the MOT on emissions. There is another issue with deleting the EGR on these later diesel engines depending on how the vehicle is used. The EGR system is also used to control combustion temperatures in certain circumstances. Having it deleted can lead to dangerously high cylinder temperatures that of course lead to accelerated engine wear and rapid oil contamination, significantly faster than a functioning EGR system will. A lot depends on the mapping though if you go for a delete, some are better than others!

[@abarratt8869]

BMW put the timing chain for the N47 2L diesel on the back too, and initially fitted a rubbish chain guide system leading to a lot of failures and scrappings… What is it with engine design these days? Why are so many basic mistakes made?

[@silversonic8392]

Sounds like top class engineering. NOT! Dress it up in a pretty package and stick a shiny Jag badge on it with the bells & whistles interior and you have a very expensive chesterfield suite you can't get in your house. 😱🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mazdaman1286]

I remember when timing chain were for life not just for Christmas.......

[@carukchannel]

🤣👍

[@terrymurphy562]

The engines are fine as long as they have regular oil changes and not driven on short journeys all the time. They need a good run every other week.

[@ceehud]

Very Very Helpful ..... You have helped a few people . Your place in car heaven is now reserved .

[@deanhawthorn5783]

honest and great advice....i wouldnt touch one with a 900 ft barge pole

[@petop8290]

I specifically looked for a Discovery Sport with the 2.2 engine in it for the Ingenium faults reason. Yes its a bit noisier but its main use is up and down the country on motorways and its fine. No issues with it, had it for nearly a year now and sailed through its MOT last week.

[@Tonymason762]

Another reason JLR prices have come down over the past few years is that they are so unreliable, people just don’t want them. Overpriced and unreliable just don’t go together.

[@Martello--64]

Thank you for being honestly explaining about these engines and other not so good car problems. Information is important.

[@originalforgery]

Very good I'd suggest two other things to look at. Most DPF ERG problems are caused by repeated short journeys which results in the car never getting hot enough to regenerate. The other is the ludicrously long service intervals of 20,000 miles. Get the oil changed no more than 10,000 and get them to stamp the book (some don't) when it comes to reselling it it will reward you handsomely.

[@BionicRusty]

Sorry bud, you added the words, ‘Before watching this’ to the title by mistake. I’ve owned quite a few JLR dung boxes and whilst they generally look great (My opinion. Other opinions are available 😂), their engineering is shocking. My last ever one was a three year old, beautiful 2.7D XF, bought from Jaguar, serviced only by Jaguar and in the two and a bit excruciating years that I owned it, it had over £10k of warranty repairs before the engine ate itself. AA inspection said that there was diesel in the oil (the old DPF fault), and this had caused catastrophic engine failure. A Jaguar mechanic verbally agreed but wouldn’t add it to the report. JLR via Stratstone wanted over £12k to fix it (new engine and turbos) but the car was so bad that I took it to the scrap yard. A huge wrangle, then, with JLR over liability but in the end, they just basically said, ‘Go ahead, sue us’. It was to be my retirement car but by this point, I’d lost the will to ever want to see it, or another JLR car, again. Absolute junk cars.

[@AdamWRides]

@@BionicRusty jaguar servicing is a joke; their standards are pretty shocking in some instances. The 2.7D engine was crap. The 3.0 is much better (but not without fault). It seems you’re better off buying a jag after they have been out for 5+ years so the terrible engines can be ignored! Their V6 and V8 petrol engines are generally pretty reliable. The 3.0d V6 if looked after is also pretty good, as is the older less refined 2.2d (more reliable because it’s not a jaguar engine 😂)

[@S-u-p-a]

​@@AdamWRidesBut the 3.0d is also a ford engine.

[@briancarton1804]

​@@S-u-p-aThe 3.0 V6 breaks cranks just for fun. Avoid all JLR products if you want a healthy bank balance.

[@peterrands5911]

Interesting. I’ve had an 18 model year XE for five years now. Only do around 4000 mpa. Had 8,000 on clock when I bought. First service, supposedly 21,000 but message came up saying service needed at 11,000 so got it done. Since then oil change every year and full service every 2 years with JLR recognised specialist. I regularly take it for a 20 mile run on the motorway at 70mph. Seems that’s the way to go..

[@bamog4560]

Run them on premium diesel , change the oil every 6 months or 5000 miles and full service every 12 months, give them a regular good run on the motorway and this should alleviate any dpf,egr problems

[@andrewwaller5913]

So many better cars out there

[@devon896]

Service is internal is 21,000 miles or 2 years. Getting the oil & filter done mid way 9,000 miles should be good enough.

[@owensteele1645]

I would much rather buy an old Land Rover with the old 200 Tdi, 300 Tdi or TD5 engines. Very slow cars today of course, but they are totally bomb-proof and they just go on and on and on with none of the fancy emissions-cheating rubbish to worry about.

[@PJ-om2wq]

​@@owensteele1645Sadiq Khan doesn't like them

[@cp4512]

Won’t stop the oil dilution or timing chain failures. Just buy a better car without the JLR Ingenium diesel to avoid the risk.

[@johnp9235]

Nice video. I currenly work at a lindependant Landrover specialist. These engines are just appaling, its such a shame, because when they're running well its a wonderful engine. We've also see n numerous cam shaft issues, tgey twist and cause longer starting times and a camshaft code to be stored. As you say chains.. we do about one every 2 weeks. Sevice intervals are far too long causing sludge build up in the engine. Turbos seem to be an issue too. Intercooler pipes delaminate from the inside and block the charge cooler. Im in the middle of doing an engine swap on an Evoque with a complete loss of compression. I'd be extremely reluctant to buy any JLR product with this engine in.

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

Daughter has range rover, ingenium 2ltre... Engine great, well this one is (50k...new engine)... And with the recent dpf (warranty)... It's a good car to drive.... Fingers crossed with rabbit foot hanging from interior mirror.. It lasts another 50 k 👍

[@geetee7154]

This engine is costing owners small fortunes in repairs, engine failure,timing chains, Turbo's & the old favourite DPF, I know these things intimitly in my day to day job, worryingly, people drive the things & seem to ignore the issues

[@robertowen6499]

I own an XF 2017, very reliable smooth running and more economical than the earlier XF engines.

[@TRD1949uk]

Can we go back to Aston Barclay auction videos please lee. They are some of the best ones to watch!

[@alastairkeith8553]

We have had a 2017 Disco Sport from new, currently with 75k miles on the clock. No significant problems and a great ‘rattle-free’ car to own and drive. However, the 21k/2-year service interval is nonsense, I get it serviced annually (circa 8k miles) and stick to the service schedule items. The key is frequent oil changes. I listen for any rattles on startup - as I would with any older ICE car.

[@korma9732]

Most of us have never had any significant issues with their vehicles, but I too service every 12m/8000

[@Hattonbank]

Many years ago while working in JLR Purchasing. buying oil filters among other things, something I always remembered was the Technical Sales Engineer from a leading filter manufacturer telling me that service intervals are meaningless. If you do stop start urban driving most of the time, then change your oil every 5k, but if you spend all the time on the MWay in top gear at 2000rpm, then you could go to 20k. Always use the best quality oil as well, at most, it costs a third the price of a tank full of fuel.

[@kingsknightuk]

Owned this exact e-pace from new and it was the biggest mistake of my motoring life. Spent more time at the dealer being repaired than on my drive. I had 5 engine management lights in 2 years. So many issues it's unbelievable. It was so funny that the epace they lent me broke down with the exact same issue I was having. I'll never own a Jag again. Genuinely one of the most stressful things I've ever been through.

[@kingsknightuk]

I think it's worth noting that my ipace had to have a new engine at less than 9k on the clock

[@garymiller7218]

I pace is the electric jaguar this is diesel, are u getting mixed up

[@kingsknightuk]

@@garymiller7218 thank you for the correction! it was a mega long day yesterday ( just had a baby ) yeah i had the epace but the naming has always really confused me! always felt they should have rebranded the epace as an electric car! I only had the car for 2 years on a lease and I HATED it! could not wait to hand it back! i counted and it had to go back 16 times for repairs! there are facebook groups with 100s of posts like mine. i handed it back with a new engine that had only done 3k in the end! even the new engine had to have new injectors at 2000ish miles!

[@garymiller7218]

@@kingsknightuk I bought the xe petrol 6 years ago , got a big discount because I worked for jlr no problems, but iv only done 24 thousand miles

[@howardsimpson489]

I have owned lots of Jag over many years, very pretty but heaps of shite.

[@Pugilist928]

Ive got a 2.2d XF. Been excellent.

[@Danny1282]

I've got a disco which I have had from new, it's now 6 years old and thank god I paid for the extended warranty because 6 months ago the chain started to rattle..... £3500 job to fix it, I love the car and will be keeping it because a new one is over 50k

[@JRGRAY-33]

More wise words of wisdom 👍🏾

[@musicbruv]

First 6 words of your headline is good advice.

[@Coolhandluke-s1f]

Got an x type 2 litre diesel , never had a problem , always starts and never let me down , done 110k

[@mervyncumming7167]

Different engine in the X-type, that engine is Mondeo based.

[@johndawson5718]

I’ve just traded my 2016 Jaguar XE auto 2.0d AWD with 39.5k miles for a 2023 Volvo 2.0 petrol XC40. Got £9k for it. Had Jag 7+ years , lovely to drive, very economical, very comfortable BUT I got scared off by all this negativity regards engine. Oil changed every MOT ( 5k annual mileage) so now thinking I’ve been lucky after watching this ! 🤞Thank you.

[@jonny5682]

My s type runs great looked after regular oil changes n filters I do give her s good boot to keep her unclogged mines the 2.7 twin turbo diesel

[@simonweakley3479]

Why can't a manufacturer like JLR design an engine that works after producing engines for over 100 years? Maybe you could also do a video on the 97% failure rate of the Nissan CVT automatic gearbox, the total failure rate on the Ford Ecoboost and the terrible reputation of the Stellantis pure tech engines. I'll stick with my 20 year old Rover 75 KV6 and my T series Rover Sterling fastback that is 25 years old with zero problems in the engine department. I won't be buying a LR

[@Darkelf7201]

Tipping down with rain and you're still in shorts lol - great video dude. Eventually the EURO beaurocracy will get rid of diesels. They'll have to be so over engineered that the constant faults will mean they're not worth producing. Well Done !!

[@neilharryjones]

Great advice Lee thank you for the information 👍🏻

[@nigelcarter7740]

Avoid JLR service intervals ! M8 bought 2020 evoque, told him not to 🤷‍♀️ I’ll do 6/7 oil changes and hope for the best

[@chrisaris8756]

The DPF “problems” can be largely avoided by doing what JLR recommend and taking the car for a 20 minute run at around 50mph as SOON as the warning comes up on the dash. I had a Jaguar diesel for years and it was faultless. There was never a DPF problem in well over 100k miles because I always adhered to the recommendation

[@wakaflockaproject]

Or get it gutted out

[@-DC-]

Lol no understanding on the design limitations of this garbage power train.

[@zzhughesd]

Correct. Modern life. People just aren't driving 20 mins at speed. They're queuing in traffic idling doing 12/13 miles per hour average across a city. Not good

[@heathermartin8932]

My mechanic also recommended that. Hard for city dwellers as a regular drive is 5 miles or so. Much as I would like to go for a 50 mile drive at motorway speeds the fuel costs are prohibitive. What a conundrum 🤔

[@wakaflockaproject]

@@heathermartin8932 shouldn't be using diesel for city use anyway

[@aerial558]

It’s worth mentioning Vauxhall Astra / Estate 2016 onwards timing chain is an issue and is expensive. With jobs like that not many garages like getting involved as well, I had a quote up to £3500 with the clutch replacement. EGR and EGR cooler is also a nightmare, many thanks for sharing your professional advice 👍

[@timbo19751975]

1.6 CDTI is the engine to avoid for timing chain replacements - very expensive and very time consuming to do.

[@aerial558]

@@timbo19751975 I was lucky when I bought it, the guy who I bought it from knew his way around the engine but took him 2 days massive job. Engine out gearbox out Engine strip down! Its the timing guides which causes the problem and the chain it’s self.

[@johnchincotta1qwdb15]

Hi Lee good piece of advice . And I ask myself, why can't jaguar and land rover manufacturer a much more reliable engine?. Gives them a bad name

[@SW-qr8qe]

Swapping a chain or welding a DPF back together is eminently feasible for a skilled back yard mechanic. Your risk aversion is my cheap car. Cheers!

[@timbo19751975]

You forgot the plastic balance shaft bearings.... Absolutely correct on the cracked DPF's - very very common. The tailpipes should be almost clean.

[@carukchannel]

Yes good point they always need replacing on when doing a chain, will stand corrected but I think they fixed that issue on 20 onwards 🤔

[@timbo19751975]

@@carukchannel NOPE!

[@The_Noticer.]

DPF and Timing chain issues point to lack of maintenance, not the engine design. Also, always bring an OBD2 scanner for codes. Lights can be disabled...

[@peenergysolutionslimited8903]

Bought a Land Rover Disco sport 2017 with the 2.0 Ingenium from Carbase. In two years it has cost £2.5k to replace the DPF and EGR, £2k to fix various leaks around the engine, £5k for a new gearbox, so apart from those minor bills, it's nice to drive.

[@DebraLeighfield]

I’m currently feeling your pain - If you’d be happy, I’d love to add you to a data sheet I’m compiling? If you have Facebook great , there’s a group called 2.0d Ingenium Engines Failure. It’s really simple data but I hope to show the country just how big of an issue this is! If you don’t have Facebook, let me know if you’d be happy for me to obtain some basic details from you. Thank you

[@peenergysolutionslimited8903]

@@DebraLeighfield Hi Debra, i dont use Facebook but if its part of a class action lawsuit, i am already enrolled on one with a law firm Milberg and have been for a year now.

[@-sargntclashroyaleandmore-491]

"Minor bills" 😂

[@DebraLeighfield]

@@peenergysolutionslimited8903 first court hearing is next week - 30th Korea got a win and a chap in Spain just got a win too 🥰 it’s all moving in a positive direction 🥰

[@paullewis7818]

I sold my 17 plate Jaguar F-Pace 2.0d in March this year, having had it from new. I luckily had no issues , but so glad we have sold it was getting paranoid about the horror stories with the Inginium engine.

[@dontuno]

Got to say I bought a 2 litre diesel XE followed by a 2.2 XF, yes I went backwards in age. The 2.2 was far, far superior to the 2.0 in all respects and my instinct told me the 2.0 wasn't going to go the distance, which is why I reverted to the XF. Frankly, from what I saw on the XE forum, the Ingenium was beset with problems and best avoided and particularly if it was mounted transversally. Such a shame because JLR do make very handsome cars.

[@Boating178]

The DPF on the F-Pace is bolted to the exhaust manifold like most other modern diesels and unlikely to be a problematic, and oil dilution isn’t an issue on the F-Pace. Mine was problem free for nearly 50k before sold. DPF is underneath the car on Disco Sport, Evoque and E-Pace and the issue with that is there is no passive regeneration as it doesn’t get hot enough, hence needs lots of active cycles to keep it clear. The regeneration burn off can last 15-20 minutes and it’s turning the engine off in that period that leads to oil dilution. As mentioned by another, ignore the plain stupid 21k official service interval and change oil every 5k. We have one of these in a Disco Sport, post the timing chain upgrade, and it’s been totally trouble free, touch wood! There have been other improvements over the years as well. Have to agree that early ones are a bit of a gamble.

[@kevindavis5369]

2018 E-Pace 2.0 D180. 90,000 trouble free, rattle free miles.

[@SmileForSpeedCamera]

Working for JLR in the call centre booking in cars with faults, I book maybe 15-20 per week for timing chain issues, 50-60 with DPF filter full issues and maybe 40 with No engine restart in 200-500 miles related to this 2ltr engine. It's sometimes hard as lead time is 4-12 weeks for an Investigation, that's before a fix because we have so many break downs 😮

[@blackvulcan100]

No idea why anybody would buy a JLR product !! I have a LR d4 discovery....and I love it !!

[@philhawley1219]

D1 Discovery for me. Only 30 years old and I wouldn't swap it for any other car. Proper old fashioned engineering, no electronics and self- serviceability. And it cost me £600 ten years ago.

[@blackvulcan100]

@@philhawley1219 I bought a brand new D1 back in 1991 it broke down just after I collected from the main dealers, then the steering box failed, then the starter motor would no disengage. I also bought a D2 now that was ok, my D4 after some initial problems has been going very well. Luck of the draw I guess.

[@kevalbertmooka]

Yes I've a Disco 4 but only do proper journeys of at least 25 miles through the country side, no traffic jams, and have had no problems with it.

[@stevecoinitin7521]

Some lady, who has suffered this fail, mentioned the service interval of 21k miles. Some 'in the know' mechanic told her aim for oil changes around 7k miles to prevent premature wear (metal filings) appearing. Whilst this isn't a cure (the DPF is the major problem it seems), it might help in the short term. But, as others say, I wouldn't go near one in the first place! The public really need to research potential choice of cars before they buy, probably those up to 10 years old.

[@iainwalker8701]

I bought a second hand 66 plate Jaguar XE with the Ingenium engine. 9 months and 22 thousand miles later at 86 thousand miles, I was told the lack of power was DPF blocking due to car not getting a run, despite a 50 mile each way commute. The light whine was the turbo on its way out. The EML was the timing chains needing replacing in the near future. Was quoted £9100 to sort, including £4160 for just the timing chains. Sold car for £10000 less than I had paid.

[@maimukanya1900]

This review speaks to me. Very attracted to a 67 plate with 33k miles on the clock. Looking for a comfortable car for long commute as 2025 and 2026 will be doing about 110 miles per day total. But seems from your review the long drives don't help. Will look for something else

[@davefish8107]

I had a 2000 discovery TD5 . Used it for 4 years then got rid of it , nice car but it had engine modifications and only did 17 miles per gallon. The only thing I had done was a new water pump

[@chrish5794]

I have owned two 2.0 F Pace vehicles with no issues whatsoever, the Main issue with the timing chains are extended oi changes, never go to 10,000 miles !!, change the oil every 5 - 6,000 miles and I would be quite confident that you will get no Timing chain problems.

[@covbmt]

We need some Aston Barclay auction vids

[@paulhill1379]

Good video and good advice.

[@JonathanDerrett]

Had a 2016 F-pace and the engine was absolute garbage. Blew turbo and many oil lines and eventually after spending loads of money, we discovered that the cylinder liners had become so worn it was pressurising the crank case to ridiculous pressure and turned out the engine was scrap. It had done 58k miles for reference. Do not buy one!! I bought from a very reputable dealer luckily, who agreed to buy the car back from me. Very lucky escape!

[@maimukanya1900]

Shocking!

[@andrewhumphreys586]

Thanks for the advice, this is very informative and helpful👍

[@TheJensenInterceptor]

We brought out LR Discovery Sport in 2019 with 5000 miles on it, some sort of pre-owned LR car. Now we are on 57,000. The local independant told me to dropit onto autotrader ASAP at 37,000, but another place said replace oil every 5000 miles, which I do myself and then garage does oil, filter etc every 15,000 and my wife was told to "Drive it like you stole it" which means a few times a week she takes it into the RED zone on the Rev Counter from stand still. I really hope so far we are doing the right thing. We do at odd times get a light but it goes and I just hope all it working.

[@josephberrie9550]

where did you bring it from ??

[@jamesrickerby2756]

Got a Discovery 2011, 4 one I've had. It is one of the best cars I've had! Also, a Jag mk2 1967. There is nothing wrong with the cars they made! IF THEY DID THE RIGHT R and D!

[@markmagee2382]

Watching the grumpy technician on tiktok who does a lot of these, says you should budget for 6-16k for a repair if theres any block issues! depends on the dpf turbo condition. Sounds like servicing is the main problem and extended intervals. They dont like old oil at all. Higher mileage ones are better than low mile ones. Also getting parts are a huge thing too

[@tomwall7966]

Great 🎉video mate just like ecoboom video thanks for saving 👍 people's thousands in repair bills and scrap

[@ianscorey5293]

I understand that JLR when designing the ingenium mota used a lot of plastic parts within the mota!!!! Plastic and fuel are not a good combination!!!! Regards Ian 👨‍🎤🇳🇿👍🍸🍸

[@thewaywardgrape3838]

Jaguars from 2014 onwards are liable to Body Control Module's breaking, if left standing for too long. I believe water/coolant can pool in the trunking that routes the washer hoses and BCM harness 😅 Was almost £7k to get fixed!! The warning sign is: Park brake refusing to disconnect + headlight faults.

[@macky4074]

The problem with most modern engines are to do with all the "eco" crap that comes with them. Stop/start causing timing chains to stretch, stuck egr valves, blocked dpf's which can damage turbo's. This with manufacturers recomending ridiculously long service intervals.

[@peterfeltham8065]

Good and informative video,well explained and didn't take an hour to do so.

[@stepheng8779]

No need to add the last bit. Do not buy JLR would do, I did once, never again.

[@GrahamGroovyUK]

So in other words, if it starts up and sounds like a Perkins Prima (Feeling old now. Owned 2).... Walk away!

[@carukchannel]

spot on, sounds like a montego countryman leave alone 😂👍

[@Mickster71]

Thanks for this info... Your a gentleman.

[@user-s1o3nr532]

Beautiful looking cars, but ever since I've known it JLR has been a byword for unreliability. I'm always surprised they sell as well as they do.

[@Fireman9ify]

The problem with those ingenuim engines its not if it will trouble, its when does it give trouble

[@dghdavies]

Great advice, thanks !

[@scotty6346]

Due to frankly stupid long service intervals the first thing that goes on the 2.0 litre ingenium is the turbo and the engine munches on the bits, Also the timing chain is weak with crappy plastic tensioners and runners, Avoid at all cost.

[@ingopaul67]

A friend has a new shape Discovery, under 50k miles, the turbo imploded into the engine, quoted £17k by a JLD dealer, eventually had it repaired by a independent for £8k.😮

[@davidfox8078]

Had evoque and discovery sport and no issue with either. Maybe because they are used everyday plus lots of motorway runs and not just for dropping little Tommy off to school 100 yards down the road .

[@highlandmalt6368]

If the price accounts for a chain program, arguably it would be better to do the chain, then you know it's good. You might buy a seemingly good one, only for it to start to deteriorate 10k miles later.

[@ApnaChoud]

Would not buy anything JLR saying that allot of the German stuff too today is made of cheap bits bolted on from China! But they charge a small fortune to repair them and for parts. My friend recently bought know the 3 pointed star 220d only thing German is the 2.1 engine most of the other parts are Renault!

[@davidcrawford9241]

The tdi turbo 2.5 engines were only dropped because of emissions sadly missed. Ex army now the best source. 😊

[@thindo]

The "finger of death"...O'Rileys. 😂😂😂😂

[@jubrum2476]

I struggle with these type of video's. Ive had all the various makes (BMW, Audi etc) and they have been unreliable. But Ive also have had and currently got a LR and its been the most reliable car out of the lot. So dont worry about buying one... they are secure these days and are reliable.

[@ToOpen6seven]

What kind of engine in your LR?

[@tommartin7333]

The 3 litre twin turbo of the disco and XJ are a disaster too with only moderate milage on them so many plastic parts and flimsy chains plus near unprotected steel chassis which rot out in no time at all.

[@litigantdad1974]

My Mrs took herself off and bought a 65 plate top of the range Evoque. 37k miles and it's absolutely mint, to my surprise. Just like the wet belt on the ford ecoboosts, annual oil change is the easiest way to stave off any issues. Steering racks are problematic on the Evoque and F/E Pace and they're under a recall, so get them checked

[@bombardierboerboels]

What about the new defender with the D300 is that ok

[@jimdavis5230]

I guess that the design of the Ingenium engine was not very ingenious.

[@markhamnett4997]

5 of these landrover products in my local dealer garage being repaired.

[@andrewjohnson2129]

A friend of mine bought a 19 plate 2.0d Land Rover Discovery last year. Paid a fair chunk of money for it. It's done about 40k miles with full main agent service history. It's just thrown its timing chain. The engine is now pretty much scrap. He's been quoted £6k for a used engine, with new chains fitted. I wouldn't buy one with buttons, never mind money.

[@danielmarshall4587]

Cheers thank you for the insight.

[@peternunney3735]

8ve vot a 2016 Evoque but due to it sitting in the showroom until it was registered it's actually the old a 2,2 engined version no problems at all and even though it's a euro 5 because it's a 2016 registered it's on the ULEZ as exempt 😃

[@clivewilliams3661]

ALL the JLR Ingenium engines are suspect 4cyl, V6 and Straight 6. The V6 is the worst with broken cranks that is unheard of in any car ever that has not been abused. The broken crank issue seems to be one of poor design for the application. JLR are fully aware of the problems with their engines but will not admit it because the liability will cripple the company. If you have an Ingenium engined JLR car then the best thing to do apart from get rid of it, is to have it regularly serviced at more than the specified intervals with at least complete oil changes every 10,000mls or less or 12 months, whichever comes first.

[@axores20]

That old engine meets the euro 6. In fact mondeo and focus was using it till 2018 and it was euro 6. They want something different and it did fail. Land rover should keep psa engine.

[@rodgoth3249]

my daughter had massive problems with this engine, back and forward multiple times. had a new engine in the end, no where near older land rover quality.

[@johnscicluna3300]

And I suppose LR don't think it's an issue ? Then wonder thier cars are not selling?

[@Thereishope664]

The old Jaguar XK engine has 2 timing chains and will do 500,000 miles without issues if well maintained. I guess that's progress for you.

[@oceandrive7283]

My top tip would be - Don't, just don't 😂

[@devlinracing3553]

I bought a 2018 Jaguar XF25 twin turbo 2.0 diesel in July 2022. It had only 20k miles on it and I bought from a Jaguar main dealer for £22k. In August 2023 at 67000 miles the EGR valve failed and long story short it needed a new engine plus replacement egr valve and inlet manifold. Jaguar went 50/50 with me on the cost of the £14k engine. It also needed a new inter cooler. Long story short I have now spent over £35k on that car and with 92000 miles on it now it’s probably only worth £8k. I do circa 40000 miles a year and previously bought a 3/4 year old C or E class Mercedes and changed it every year and usually changed for £6k. Personally I would avoid them.

[@4legsgood]

The Ford 2.2 diesel was only ever used in the old defender.

[@stevecrump2712]

Could you please review maserati ghibli please

[@FancyaBevMate]

Hi nice insight video has or does JLR specify C3 grade oil for non clogging DPFs? Ive ran about 6 diesels as taxis each having minimum 130k and my last diesel was run exclusively on C3 and the dpf didnt cause ANY isssues over 120k miles! Cheers