Why Electric Cars AREN'T FUN!

[@carwow]

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[@poplaurentiu4148]

Choosing to keep a friendly ending scoring equal 1 / 1 was a smart move however one could argue both can have advantages & losses and the fact that Hyundai engineers did such a great job with ioniq 5N to the point it keeps up and can overpass on full speed on track higher class more expensive performance cars (i spot Ferrari & Porsches even though was for a short period just for as long as the battery electric juice is not depleted) that is another story but a very cool one as example for future EV's..

[@tubesod]

Thought it read "charge your car with carwow" 😂

[@danwyatt6703]

Got a Hyundai EV? Find Charge My Hyundai on your app store! No need for loads of charging apps!

[@ross-carlson]

MOAR OF THIS PLZ!!!

[@Horejozz]

in Indonesia to fully charge your ioniq 5N car costs around 17£-23£ mad 😂

[@1MrBryn]

For the life of me, I don't understand why charging stations don't just work like a petrol station. Plug it in and then just pay with your card. There is zero reason for them to use an app or QR code

[@lassebauer]

It´s like phone companies; the more complex it is the more they can hide the cost. It´s by design not by accident.

[@BSquare1989]

The Tesla ones do. Even easier. Just plug and unplug - payment is automatically done via the car's account.

[@markburton8303]

they do.

[@lassebauer]

@@BSquare1989 Is the price the same no matter where you charge or at what time of the day?

[@ereinaldy20]

yeah, i thinking like you too.. why they do that sh*t hahahaha just plug in , choose what percetages of your battery and pay it, easy. i don;t know who make that apps more complicated.

[@1InVader1]

Phone apps for recharging should be illegal.

[@andersongustave7306]

And it didn’t even work

[@staceypark7408]

You can pay by card. Just tap your card on the machine

[@dopiaza2006]

By law, all chargers have to accept contactles payment without an app. They are just pissing about for clicks.

[@xMorningstarx]

Being technologically illiterate should be illegal.

[@1InVader1]

@@xMorningstarx If you're technologically literate, you want phone apps even less, because you know they're just an excuse to harvest user data.

[@DickVanPaiton]

Sam wants to drive with gears. Matt says "nah" and turns it off. Matt goes into the driving seat and turns on the gear-simulation right away bragging how cool that is. Nice!?

[@seanbeukman9563]

What a surprise! Charging problems. Unreal. Mats rant was spot on. The Porsche guy said it all,"Good luck with that"

[@achaz_]

What a surprise ! Gas station problems ! how interesting...

[@aussie2uGA]

I can't believe in 2024 that other makers can't figure out the ease of Tesla Supercharging. Just plug the cable in and walk away! No phone needed, no cares, the car figures it all out. Why can't other makers get it done like this?

[@JeffreyBenzodiazepines]

"why can't other apps be like Google in 2024" ​@@aussie2uGA

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@aussie2uGATheoretically that’s true. Until you realize the Tesla charger is 10 miles in the wrong direction and they are all in use. I know….that NEVER happens to you. 😂

[@aussie2uGA]

@@NomenClature-o8s You must be in a different country? In the US, there are over 20,000 superchargers - they’re everywhere. Just plug the cord in and go to the bathroom…

[@glenfarrugia1721]

Agree 1000% with you Mat regarding the chargers.

[@Arpedk]

Just as bad as Top gear... making EVs look like a joke on purpose... just sad.

[@thesupremekai1980s]

We dont want an app for every charging station. Its absolutely insane. We also have self pay petrol stations in Japan and they are pretty reliable.

[@Arpedk]

@@thesupremekai1980s Yes, just plug&charge like Tesla.

[@achaz_]

@@thesupremekai1980s then use the chargemap card ! and yoiu're really the only ones with this issue, in france, germany and switzerland, this issue doesn't exist

[@sargfowler9603]

@@Arpedk just true

[@frediiii5085]

If you would still be in the EU, all of your newly built DC chargers would be required by law to have NFC direct payment capabilities.

[@timbrassey9146]

Yet another cost of Brexit.....

[@SupraSav]

​@@timbrassey9146hmm ease of use cost of brexit😂?? Poltical agenda is showing

[@beefiron]

​@@SupraSavHe's saying that the fact that they don't have this requirement, which would make life easier for consumers, is a cost of Brexit, which it is.

[@edwyncorteen1527]

It is already compulsory in the UK, sadly does not apply to existing chargers.

[@jamie-hb8gy]

But not all phones have NFC.

[@ohiou_2kbobcat494]

I experienced the same problem with my EV. Charging stations all have apps…creating accounts, setup payment methods….and they are all different and incredibly irritating.

[@trevorberridge6079]

I helped a newbie set up an app in three minutes. You only have to do it once and most faster chargers have contactless payment so an app is not required. Funny how some people who own smart phones that run entirely on apps only have a problem understanding the ones that charge EVs. 🤔

[@bikeman123]

​@@trevorberridge6079 And that one app is all he needs for every charger? Doubt it.

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

yeh there no reason for what they have done, only the Tesla system works best

[@uaexemarat]

Relying on an app means: 1) You spend time downloading and setting it up 2) time to open it and find the page to start charging 3) Having internet data available 4) Having space in your phone for an app 5) Having online transactions enabled on your card 6) A possible data security issue in how each of the many quickly made apps store your card info 7) Having charge in your phone 8) Your phone not being broken if you have a card terminal on the machine, you just insert your card and go

[@trevorberridge6079]

@@uaexemarat That's why you set up your phone BEFORE you make your journey and your app is ready to go before you leave the house. And it's not like contactless card networks always work.

[@gh1004a]

As a korean, UK is way more hard to use 5N in track. we have fast DC charger in every major track in korea. And even DC charger to fully charge battery, only cost less than 20 pound. Oh, if you buy 5N brand new, charging cost is free. So in korea, 5N is bargain of century to use track toy. you can use 20min fun, 20min recharge and take a break, and do it again.

[@Kaelidoz]

So many fast discharge/recharge cycles are going to trash the lithium pretty f fast =(

[@Gcyrusin]

Yeah exactly ​@@Kaelidoz

[@fedor7695]

​@Kaelidoz I mean racing an M2 in the same manner wouldn't be beneficial for the car either

[@VanquishedAgain]

It's literally not though.

[@VanquishedAgain]

​@@fedor7695 not even remotely as bad for it.

[@ChronicBintX]

Had ours 3 weeks(5 N), loving it so far. Home charging a full charge is £7 (Intelligent Octopus Go), super chargers are a rob.

[@03Deltaintegrale]

If you don't mind me asking, I assume it's on a workplace ev scheme/salary sacrifice deal and 40% tax rate payer. What's the monthly cost for you?

[@ChronicBintX]

@@03Deltaintegrale Its a fully maintained lease through a work scheme. No point giving prices unfortunately as its completely different scheme from things like sacrifice schemes etc. Suffice to say an M2 would have cost less but my 6 foot 4 boy wouldn't fit in the back 😂and an M3 is way more expensive. The 5 N is fairly unique at the moment for the price.

[@colinnicol7019]

i'm thinking of getting one - do you mind me asking what everyday range are you achieving ?

[@ChronicBintX]

​@@colinnicol7019 224 mile indicated range at 100% charge. Did 106 miles and had 59% charge remaining and an indicated 122 miles left. Usually only charge to 80% and has around 180 mile indicated range. We generally only do a few miles a day and longer trips very rarely, so suits us great.

[@mikadavies660]

Not only is home charging cheaper by x10 the service costs will be peanuts and the old bill won't be pulling you over every Saturday evening...

[@dodge_walks]

7 apps for all the different car park providers. 16 apps for all the charger providers. It's a joy being a motorist . . . . .

[@golf1diesel]

ICE ftw. One shell app. Done.

[@TheRichardHonor]

Pretty much all DC is by card now. Very rare you need an app. They're still frustrating to use though.

[@brianbarcroft9167]

@@dodge_walks Well actually I use only 1 card and occasionally the Tesla app to charge my non-Tesla car at one of their chargers and that's only on the few occasions that I am not charging overnight at home.

[@tomas_klouda]

@@TheRichardHonor yeah, if you are rich, you can use just a single card and don't care about the price. But if you have to decide whether to pay 40-60% premium or use an app it's an easy decision for all of us poor guys 😉

[@brianbarcroft9167]

@@tomas_klouda Don't be silly! For about 90% of EV owners using a public charger is a rarity. If you do have to use chargers on a long journey, and you want to pay the absolute minimum, you could plan your route and sign up to whatever app you think you may need within seconds.

[@mihilcho82]

I went to SPA track day a month ago in my 2019 Megane RS Trophy. Drove 2500 km to there from Bulgaria, made 22 laps on stock brakes and drove 2500 km back with no issues at all. A lot of people hate on this car but I had so much fun without having to thing for anything than drive the hell out of it. I saw a lot of nice cars there and a lot of cars from UK but not a single EV was seen even near the track 😂

[@gian-lucanardini9706]

21:56 love these two together! Keep going it's great content with you two ✌️

[@joeynessily]

Why would Silverstone only install 22kw AC chargers?

[@402m]

Отсталая страна

[@josefv-y8m]

AC Chargers are a complete waste of money at such a location...does not scale, and does not help anyone. At home and at work it is Ok, but at public locations...no...no one stops for hours just to wait for the car.

[@rabidpb]

For anyone visiting for the day to spectate, or to drive something that isn't the family runaround, AC charging is exactly what is needed.

[@cherryjuns7764]

It would be used to charge golf carts for lawn care.

[@AI-Records24]

They have to buy grid space and more won’t have been available (or was, but at a price they didn’t want to pay) not to mention demand clearly isn’t there for it, yet.

[@Humax918]

I just can't believe how crappy these charging station apps are 🤮

[@Angusoksen]

That's just poor planning. At Denmarks largest track We have 4X 400kW chargers just outside the track entrance. We had them for 2 years! It's not that difficult!

[@biafo4541]

Thanks for that tip, if you want to race your EV on a track, a trip to Denmarks largest track is the way

[@enricocolombo]

Yes but in Denmark you can buy two i5N at M2 price thanks to ICE tax… Nice 👍🏻

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@enricocolomboICE tax is rated at 8.9 percent on these cars.

[@Astke]

@@biafo4541 Too bad going on track is not that important to pretty much 99% of people. otherwise this would maybe become a problem...

[@nurburgringuk]

@@Astkebut the point of this video is if an electric car is fun to drive and taking it on track is far easier to explore that fun than on public roads.

[@rileygale_]

13:54 In korean market, Hyundai advertises IONIQ 5 can be charged up to 350kW. I think this differs between infras of country. For instance, Hyundai and Kia are operating their own ev fast charging network called 'E-pit' in Korea, which is usually installed in service areas, huge mall, or train stations. Its network is not that big now but it is certain that Hyundai is enthusiastic on spreading their EV.

[@MrPhatties]

350KW charger compatible (800V) but not 350KW charge speed. It tops out around 265KW and they claim 240KW.

[@purwantiallan5089]

It supposed to have 475KW Charging Speed,​@@MrPhatties

[@cannonacesw2236]

@@purwantiallan5089 why not over 9000? 475 not possible...

[@kosiranze]

Hyundai advertised 18 minute charges on a 350kw station. I have yet to see them claim 350kw charging capability. Slimy marketing technique if you ask me.

[@Mav86asian]

Yeah, before they explode in the parking lot

[@druscanam]

Fun fact, if you've just been thrashing your electric car and heat your battery, the internal resistance will lower allowing for faster charging so that's probably why your car charged faster than Hyundai claimed possible.

[@astro8833]

for conductors, increase in temperature means increase in resistance

[@druscanam]

@@astro8833 In a battery extra heat causes the electrolyte to become more conductive therefore lowering the internal resistance.

[@Jacobwlane]

This is somewhat true - the rate of charge increases (as does the capacity interestingly) within batteries when they heat up as the heat further catalyses the redox reactions inside the cell, hence why modern EVs will preheat their batteries before charging or heavy driving. The other commenter is right - internal resistance does increase with heat in conductors, but the catalysing action of the heat far exceeds it. Pushing this too far is catastrophic for the battery, hence why EVs will now (paradoxically) cool their batteries whilst charging. As with any good technology, there are some massive tradeoffs though - increasing battery temperature to catalyse the reactions will damage the cell and reduce its lifespan and capacity in the long term. I'm surprised Hyundai didn't current limit the charge rate before it reached their quoted maximum, but I would hope they would know the upper bounds for battery safety and longevity and limit the current accordingly (edit: a temporary 1kw over the max is probably a rounding error or a pre-loss measurement at the charger. I wouldn't read into that)

[@zdkama]

This could not be more backwards. Google drone batteries exploding. Over discharging is terrible for Lithium batteries. IR goes up when the voltage drops below a safe threshold, which can happen under heavy load not just when the battery is at low charge. And with enough amp draw (read: heat) the electrolyte separation layers can break down causing an internal short and instant self ignition. Lithium batteries do not fuck around, and they REALLY do not like being over drawn.

[@aussie2uGA]

@@zdkama None of that can happen as the BMS monitors it all.

[@Basih]

Feels like the UK is like 5-7 years behind Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia when it comes to EVs. Essentially all charging stations here are required to accept normal payment cards with no apps needed.

[@benmarley3086]

Oil money

[@jeskli11]

100% agree with Mat's take on the charging stations, it's overly complicated across different suppliers. I would also add, that the cost of the charge should be more transparent - if you come to a petrol station, you clearly see the price per litre (or per gallon), but then if you come to a charging station you're not familiar with and you have pretty much no idea how much it will cost until you plug the cable in. In addition, if you have an app or some bonus card for a petrol station, it'll typically save you just some spare cash, but usually no more than about a pound on a full tank; with electric charging stations however, at least in my country, being included in some bonus programme could at some stations save you HALF of the cost (or shall I say you pay once more than you should, unless you have their app)! I don't mind if a car manufacturer gives as a 'gift' discount to certain charging stations or if you can save a few penny with an app, but you absolutely shouldn't need twenty different apps with twenty different accounts to get fair prices on a road trip through Europe for example, IMO.

[@johnbaker5533]

Later this year new regulations come in that make it mandatory to have contactless payment and display the pricing. People will still use apps though to get a discounted rate.

[@trevorberridge6079]

One thing I can do every day with my EV that no ICE owner can do is to fill up for FREE when I'm at a supermarket or a hotel or a cinema or a coffee shop or a mountain of other locations. Most people don't need expensive super fast charging options. Most people don't drive most of the time and don't go very far on most of their journeys. And you're right. You don't need twenty different apps going through Europe. They've had a one app solution going for years that allows you to charge on multiple networks. ZapMap do a similar thing. It's only as difficult as you make it. I did the longest journey I've ever done by car in 2017. 890 mile round trip to Scotland in two days, no charging issues, one app and one RFID card for the journey and it was totally free. Seven years later and the networks are far more expansive and easier to use, never mind a lot faster. Even in my old, small battery EV I can go anywhere in the whole of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland. And now with networks opening up and adapters being made to allow older cars to plug into chargers with newer standards it gets easier all the time.

[@mikadavies660]

Nice test... Two car costing around the same money.... However, the Hyundai would suit as a our family car better. Appreciated that it's not perfect on all fronts, but it is a great all round performance hatchback.

[@onehorsepower]

Agree. It has the interior size of an X5M to pick a BMW equivalent. But the cg of a hot hatch....(quoted lower than i30N)

[@mikadavies660]

@@onehorsepower Exactly... Look at Misha taking one around Nürburgring.... No brake fade, sideways through corners and past many supercars. I don't have £65k..... But if I did, I would consider this Hyundai value for money. And in gloss black it doesn't even stand out. Sky Blue is a bit to "Essex" for me.

[@soltcolt4506]

Perfect family car, you, your wife and your children will love it. You definitely need that 650hp 😂

[@Astke]

This is only possible on EVs, have M2 performance but way more practical without costing more. People overlook this

[@dylanburston7453]

@@Astke It isnt.

[@nawafa4307]

With respect as M owner spanning 2 decades; the refueling is not the issue between sessions. The biggest challenge is brakes on more demanding courses. Also; you don’t need to recharge to 100 or even 90% to keep going back to the track in Ionic 5N. The fast charger takes it from 10-80% in 18 mins and that’s good enough for 2 full laps in the Nordschleife. How many fast laps do you think you can do on the same circuit back to back with standard spec M2?

[@Timmycoo]

That whole debacle that was Mat's final petrol station visit was hilarious. Starting off with him walking right into the bollard, then having issues with the pump and receipt. So freaking funny lol.

[@Twmpa]

Debacle it might have been but it still took a tiny fraction of the time spent charging that EV.

[@Timmycoo]

@@Twmpa Yeah, that was funny too with the plethora of apps and complaining :P Oh and the guy at the Porsche station telling Mat good luck lol.

[@Milos92ns]

19:45 For me, the big question is how many laps did the BMW do for 90£ and how many the Hyundai for 60£? My guess since the Hyundai was charging half of the time, that the BMW did more laps on the track.

[@northcountrywoodcraftny5953]

For racing, gas will riegn Supreme for a long time, unless your doing time attack once per day then gas is simply better no matter what racing your doing

[@techfreaks4134]

the battery is to small in the hyundai 5n I didn't drive much and dropped 10/15% easily on test drive for 15 mins​ drive. the new 2025 taycan 4s did better and I rinsed that thing hard for an hr@@northcountrywoodcraftny5953

[@Midala87]

@@northcountrywoodcraftny5953 Having an EV racing circuit would be interesting. It could extend the amount of time that races last due to pit stops to recharge would take up a lot of time.

[@northcountrywoodcraftny5953]

@@Midala87 like how trains are powered? There's ways to do it but all of them Involve ridiculously dangerous conditions for racers and exorbitant costs, not to mention training costs, r&d costs etc. Sometimes it's best not to re invent the wheel. Gas works and it's starting to reach a point where emissions arnt an issue, that took 100 years of development, until electric makes more power, lasts longer, wighs less and costs significantly less it's just a gimmick politicians use to pad thier resume

[@doghous3]

right, funny how they glossed over that. Anyway, to each their own, I guess. Electric motors are just not as fun in any way compared to an engine in the context of motoring.

[@Nightcore_all_night]

I love what they did with the gears. If they replace the sound with sounds from solar crown on rpm tracking this car would be realistic and super fun!

[@CaptainKedah]

I'm 100% Sure this Videos of Matt Complaining about Issues Ev Charging Stations is going to be Played in Parliament and National News like Bbc News ..etc . He got a Point , Good Job Matt

[@andreasu.3546]

Sure enough the MP have long been convinced by lobbyists that this is the best way to go. Hell, half of them probably get a personal profit out of the system.

[@lonzie]

​@@andreasu.3546 your cynicism is unfounded for once. The government has already created legislation forcing charging points to be pay as you go via contactless, so this garbage will be a thing of the past soon.

[@SuperBloodyskull]

Wished they had posted flying laps for both to compare.

[@siutingkwan2894]

As an owner of i30n in Hong Kong, I am very impressed by the ioniq5n as air conditioner able to keep running when parked and waiting for my wife. And i am looking forward to get a simulation of manual gear bix from hyundai or lexus❤

[@jakes5530]

Look, I’m team ICE until I’m forced into an EV, but the I5N is certainly tempting. Of all EVs on sale right now, that’s easily gotta be the most engaging.

[@justalonelypoteto]

if you don't live in EV hell (rural North America), I'd really recommend trying one out if you can, and even if you are maybe do so anyway:) I am a lover of manuals, old shitboxes whatnot, I'm borrowing a city EV (an e208) and I found it to be extremely satisfying, I miss shifting and all that fun stuff but it's got its upsides too. Instant torque, preheating, cheap charging, flies away at low speeds absurdly fast for being a city commuter car lol, doesn't waste much of anything keeping you creeping forward and comfy in backed up traffic, list just goes on. Unfortunately expensive new but I mean, so are car enthusiast cars and I find something's really appealing about a stupid little scifi looking nugget that can just absolutely go flying whenever you want it to (albeit with french traction control, scary lol). I might not be the best reference as I live in a european city, but the only non-fun scenario I can think of is highways at high (German) speeds because you start to see your remaining charge drop away q u i c k

[@jakes5530]

@@justalonelypoteto Maybe in a different stage of our life. We routinely do 450 mile trips 7-10 times a year to visit our inlaws. The I5n just wouldnt be practical enough to do that. With an ICE you can drive the 150 miles to the destination, drive all around town 150 miles over the course of a weekend, and then spend 3 minutes fueling up before heading the 150 miles home and arrive home with half a tank. The i5n would barely make it to our destination, then would have to find somewhere out of the way to charge it for 30+ minutes multiple times over the course of the weekend since our parent’s homes dont have level 2 charging and we dont want to spend 16+ hours using their electricity waiting to charge up at level 1. The math just doesnt make much sense. If we were in a situation where we didnt do this I might consider an i5n. I really do like it.

[@pqvid]

I must be doing something wrong: I have an RFID charging card and it works with all charging stations across Europe. Tap the card on charging station and walk away. That's it. But that's of course not enough drama for a Car Wow episode.

[@DrewsTurbo]

Whilst I don’t own an EV, I’ve spent plenty of time with many of them and the biggest issue is easily the public charging infrastructure (and that’s coming from mostly positive experiences). If you want to get an EV and can’t charge at home, I’d seriously suggest sticking with ICE for a while longer.

[@CreamCobblerFiend]

Nothing sickens me more than seeing charging companies mine their customers for data by requiring an app, which is ostensibly just a surveillance tool, for simple transactions.

[@adamcrane3126]

Seems electric is only the go if you charge at home as fast charging is a rip off and more expensive than petroleum

[@AleksandarStefanovic]

Exactly - and fortunately, that's what'd you'd do 95% of the time, unless you travel more than 250 miles daily. Fast chargers are expensive, but you're only supposed to use them when traveling long distances

[@jonc-1989]

​@AleksandarStefanovic exactly this. Plus you don't do a 0-100% charge on an expensive rapid charger, you just top up what you need to get to your destination

[@stephenclay6852]

It is if you only use rapid chargers but most people would charge at home and only use a rapid charger when absolutely needed

[@dlevi67]

It's not just the expensive (though that doesn't help) - it's the faff and fragmentation: need an app here, a (dedicated) card there, a login there. All different. Why on Earth don't they simply use the common payment circuits as any other purchase (including fuel)?

[@dlevi67]

@@AleksandarStefanovic That makes the big assumption that you have home charging available. About half the homes in the UK don't - not as in "they don't have it now"; as in "cannot install a home charger" because they don't have an own car parking space (or even a public parking space reachable via a reasonable cable length from the home).

[@solomonsmith3658]

Imagine waiting for your track day to start, and then deciding to charge your car

[@dopiaza2006]

EVs do require a certain amount of common sense that is severely lacking in many people these days.

[@solomonsmith3658]

@@dopiaza2006 precisely

[@Trucking_Tom]

​@@dopiaza2006 it's definitely lacking in ev drivers that's for sure

[@Jonny_O]

Regarding the idea of putting chargers at gas/petrol stations: I think that might actually be perfectly wrong. Here's why: one goes to a gas/petrol station to get fuel, but rarely do you actually *want* to be there. Since electrical charging takes longer, why not put those mandatory charging stations at places people actually want/need to spend time at? Put a few at a restaurant so your car can 'eat' while you do. Put them at shopping centers and amusement parks. And just like everyone else is saying: ditch the annoying apps and just swipe/tap your credit card.

[@stevenmeyers5088]

One car is good on the track and doubles as an everyday family car. That’s the true advantage of the I5N.

[@osceli9682]

Race electrons. Someone somewhere will sell this.

[@Snerdles]

Audiophile EV owners salivating about race electrons using deionized directional charging cables for the cleanest possible charging signal!

[@osceli9682]

@@Snerdles it’s like those 100 dollar hdmi cables vs 8 dollar hdmi cables.

[@valuemastery]

Also, if you want to go really fast, you shouldn't charge green electricity. Use 100% nuclear power for best acceleration.

[@cyruslad5462]

To be fair i got my first ev 3 weeks ago and i had so head scratches when charging, now its no bother, you learn which are the faff set ups and avoid them pretty quickly. I thought id miss petrol and the engine but now im full converted. When the 6N comes out I'd prefer it to any M3 or M4

[@lechprotean]

There's always a catch - I tried ordering Ioniq 5 N and I simply can't - the whole production capacity through 2025 is filled up :( On the other hand with the current price it's not great value as I don't expect it will hold the resale price that well. But If I could I'd order one for myself anyway - the savings on petrol would basically break even for me vs owning a slightly less expensive 2nd hand sports car.

[@HaramiSalami420]

4£ for 1 Liter 102 Octane? 😮 I will never Complain again when 102 Octane costs over 2€ here in Germany.

[@TomWxm]

Usually it’s around £1.50’for 99

[@frodej6640]

I wonder what the governments cut of that is.

[@dmitriyvolsky]

​@@frodej6640 in Germany, more than 50% of the price are taxes

[@dalepeters3841]

Me as a US guy: You guys get more than 93 octane?

[@JoaoSilva-xy5ep]

​@@dalepeters3841no we don't, the thing is us measures the octanes differently. Your measurement is what goes to the engine ours is what goes from the fuel pump

[@jakes5530]

The bottom line is weight. The fact that most performance EVs weigh as more than an F150 should tell you everything you need to know. The I5N is a good start, at least it gives you a dynamic driving experience, but it’s never going to be as fun or nimble as an equivalent ICE sports car which weighs less.

[@henrytang2203]

What's insane is that the 1800kg M2 weighs more than the Ford Falcon I used to own. 2006 model, large interior, 5m long and only 1700kg with fluids and heavy. Soon any car below 2000kg will be considered light.

[@greattoseerobinscore]

Yeah just modern BMW things and ghey electronics.

[@dannywhite132]

Mostly because of safety. Modern cars have far more regulation around crumple zones etc as well as all the tech on board as well.

[@CoinLaundry500]

The actual official kerb weight of the G87 M2 is 1730kg and a 2014 XR6 Turbo has an official kerb weight of 1776kg, but yeah still pretty crazy to think the last gens m3 is lighter than this m2.

[@langsor]

I hate this trend. Keep my Miata forever :-D And I wish that was lighter.

[@Dcage13]

Dulwich Hill represent!

[@Manakuski]

I'm in northern finland and there are 150-350kw chargers everywhere, literally. Also i have only one app, one tag and the BMW card. That's all i need. I usually use the tag since it is the most convenient. So charging can be an issue, but isn't everywhere.

[@josefv-y8m]

Seems Brexit was not the best thing... ;-) Same for Germany...you can find HPCs everywhere...

[@tomedward8652]

@@josefv-y8m - not in Berlin.

[@erebostd]

@@tomedward8652Berlin is „Special“ in any way possible, that’s nothing new…

[@sebastiansandvik825]

Not to mention that it costs 35-40 cents per kWh. Not closer to a pound per kWh like in the UK.

[@kiljaeden7663]

Whenever I visit my construction sites in Norway I always rent an electric car. The infrastructure is amazing. I just use one app (Elton) but you can just use your bank card if you want.

[@jklasfjkl]

20:40 not quite: a f1 driver doesn't plan when to deploy DRS (there a only a few designated zones in a track that you'd never not use). But rather when you harvested enough energy by braking you can use the electric motor fully (often called overtake button), which depletes the battery in a matter of seconds, but nets around 160 hp.

[@w1ldwesty]

It's like the people who designed the charging systems have never used a car before. Why on earth cant you just tap a card and charge up.

[@aussie2uGA]

I can't believe in 2024 that other makers can't figure out the ease of Tesla Supercharging. Just plug the cable in and walk away! No phone needed, no cares, the car figures it all out. Why can't other makers get it done like this?

[@karlwest437]

​@@aussie2uGAyep Tesla showed everyone exactly how it should be done and they still can't get it right

[@biafo4541]

It's like telling people that they gonna built water ways all over and that we should buy boats. The water ways is 0.5 complete, but pls go ahead and buy the boats immediately 😂

[@00Silvin00]

I don't know about Britain but on the European mainland most charging stations work with tap-and-go. And some stations (Fastned for example) let you register your car if wanted. In that case is just a case of plugging in, charge and drive off. Invoice will be in your mailbox at the end of the month. It's my primary reason for using these.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

​@@aussie2uGAMaybe Tesla have a major stake in making sure EVs are easy to charge. Shell and VW? Well maybe they want the opposite...

[@sooofancier]

I've never seen Mat so angry and so serious ever before😅😅

[@hectorvieira4368]

I got that the intention was to show how inconvenient it is to have to recharge an electric car during your track day, but I think the main question remains: how many laps can an electric car (or at least this particular Ioniq 5 N) can do with a full charge? Because, let's be honest, if I'm taking an electric car to the track, surely I'd put extra money to transport it with a 100% battery, not wasting anything on my way there. So, with 100% charge, can we do what? 5, 10, 20 laps before the battery is depleted? Or else: how many laps before the battery heats too much and makes me stop? I think this subject deserves a part 2 to answer theses questions.

[@MonicaRMartino]

For the life of me, I don't understand why charging stations don't just work like a petrol station. Plug it in and then just pay with your card. There is zero reason for them to use an app or QR code

[@spacewizard69]

For the life of me, I don't understand why charging stations don't just work like a petrol station. Plug it in and then just pay with your card. There is zero reason for them to use an app or QR code

[@cai0]

Matt said it in the video. It's just about data collection.

[@Pilch9]

They will one day. It’s how new tech often starts. Fuel had many types back in the day, Dvd had many competitors, so did phone charge cables, no doubt so did currency back in the day as it does now… but standards and regulations eventually make it all gravitate to one regardless of the maker. It will just take a little while.

[@tiborpalatka]

also cost saving

[@martinsoelby5902]

@@Pilch9new tech. How is this new tech? You can pump petrol in self service petrol stations all over the world by swiping any credit of debit card. Tell me and others how new technology prevents this with electric charging.

[@myscho]

4:15 ...and when you add the chargers, let each of them have a card payment terminal, I don't want to use a mobile phone, an app, or register anywhere. I want to come, insert the cable, charge, pay by card.

[@MattKeller]

They should offer both. No reason to isolate anyone regardless of personal preference

[@joaoreis1079]

What stays about this video is the cuddle in the end 😂

[@Aydiniyom]

21:08 haha, I don't know but I wish I knew how that Ferrari driver reacted here...

[@UncleChopChop22]

Matt getting humbled at Porsche: Matt:Im matt watson. Porsche: Thats a no from out the back.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Alfa Romeo to Porsche: No room out of the front of the box.

[@ericedge2929]

*Watson

[@mediocreman2]

His name is Mat Watson. Matt Walsh is the legend that is opening people's eyes to the flaws of the religion of woke.

[@datoome_]

@@mediocreman2can’t wait to watch his new documentary

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

@@mediocreman2lol, that guy is a complete joke🤣

[@8-Bit-Retro]

I charged my EV6 at Porsche Bristol - zero issues. Tap my Electroverse card, plug in, charge. I've never used an app to charge so far. My experience of charging is good, maybe I'm lucky 🤷‍♀️

[@alisyafiq2431]

1:42 Sam is me, i is Sam

[@loyallion6477]

When are we doing Matt vs Yianni foot race? 😂

[@MakhoHlatywayo-wk8cr]

😮😅😅

[@snakeeyes9246]

Never.

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

can i bet on "neither making it to the finish line unscathed"?

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

will be foot race against boston dynamics atlas robot

[@ricardoferreira2038]

Thats older than my grand mother…

[@RRX1544]

Get Sam in a Rimac Nevera he’ll change his mind

[@hersir557]

In iceland there are a couple of privately owned companies that put electric chargers all over the country. They all have every type of connectors on them. You can pay by app or an rfid keychain

[@christohees9150]

Yap no thank you 😂 gasoline all day every day

[@conor7154]

Oh cool, just need to pay what, about twice as much for the car as normal, world contributing countries?

[@GraveUypo]

@@conor7154 here in brazil byd cars are actually cheaper than most of their ice direct competitors. you can get a byd seal for like 15% more than a jetta gli (and cheaper than a series 3 bmw) and it has over twice the power.

[@Nuntingdoli]

@@GraveUypo yes. but china..

[@kuro_shinigami7526]

11:52 if you put Jeremy Clarkson voice over there saying "15 minutes later and after a lot of technical yet stupid difficulties we managed to charge the car" it will be the perfect edit xD

[@samteks125]

6:20 Mat accidentally pronounced "Porsche" correctly. Probably just because the Hyundai owner did though

[@H.K_R]

He didn’t though, he said “Porsch’ has got some”

[@eyupdemir8123]

Serious request from Carwow : 1) You must state the fuel consumption by liters per 100 km also. 2) Before you were showing how much luggage and etc. Can fit it the boot. Why quit ? 3) A lot of new models arrived but we can’t see it if they are not high end cars recently. Where is the new Kona, revised Tucson, new Santa Fe, Bayon models of Hyundai ? New Kodiaq is coming probably and 5008 is also coming but you are little behind. 4) VW group is struggling mightily recently, how about a podcast about it with Matt and Nick maybe ? 5) Why not review vans ? Caddy, new Transporter, Ford Transit, Connect , new Rifter, Berlingo, Proace, Doblo, Staria, Kangoo etc. A lot of people buying it through Carwow maybe but can’t get any information. 6) Some brands are missing a lot of reviews from Carwow. Maybe a short review for them like Nissan Micra, Hyundai i10, i20, Citroen c3, c4 etc. We love the drag races, we love Matt’s approach but this channel is more useful than it is fun.

[@andrecooper6466]

I hate to admit it but the hyundai is hella fun as an EV ngl. But M is king☻

[@mauricetoussaint7283]

Still an EV, so basically, shit.

[@andrecooper6466]

@@mauricetoussaint7283 agree

[@АлександрГайдук-н9ю]

What about lap times?

[@babisotonggg]

Ioniq5N will be faster

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

​@@babisotongggno it won't. Name one track the 5N beats the m2. Go look at the throttle house review of the model 3 performance. They posted it's lap time and the 5N and model 3 both lost to the m2 on their leaderboards.

[@babisotonggg]

@@PEACEOUTXX1 G87 M2 did it with cup 2 tyres, Ioniq5N OE tyre is not that great compared to cup 2 tyre.. Tyre much tons of different on track, Tons of video out there showing how close both car timing really is. For example M2 laguna seca 1:38. Ioniq5N 1:39 with OE tyres.

[@Veloclips14]

The Ferrari challenge at Silverstone was fire bro

[@philsmith2219]

Where's Ginny Buckley when you need her! 😂 Matt should of had her on speed dial at the charging station

[@richardcampbell8685]

Okay Karen

[@LHSlash]

You finally convinced me: M2 ordered!

[@TurtleSodadrives]

This dual driver concept was really enjoyable to watch. More of this please!

[@RandomKiddVR]

Hyundai has really started to warm up to me, they have been innovating so much recently keep it up hyundai

[@vedantsinghrathore1357]

Making a fast battery car is easy than making a high perform combustion car there's literally no innovation cuz there are many companies making high performance battery cars in cheap price for example byd seal ask Hyundai to make a powerful combustion car then we'll get to know that yeah they are improving let's take the 2.0ltr tgdi and compare it with 2.0tsi you'll see a huge difference in performance and many more things

[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

@@vedantsinghrathore1357bruh stop yapping nonsense

[@RandomKiddVR]

@vedantsinghrathore1357 Hyundai has just came from only making combustion engine cars and also I was complementing them on their inavation in all areas like hydrogen

[@vedantsinghrathore1357]

@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm electric fan boy got triggered but whats i said is true cmon you tell me the engineering through which electric cars go in comparison to ice cars ask Hyundai to make a v6 or v8 engine im damn sure it gonna be the shittiest engine ever i don't know of you know they made a v6 engine which they used in sonata literally a 1.5 tsi evo golf is faster than that shit but when you are making a battery car it's way more easier just put a big battery big motor EVs have fewer moving parts compared to ICE vehicles. They do not require complex components like exhaust systems, fuel tanks, and multi-speed transmissions

[@Lemingtona-x5g]

German brands are old fashioned

[@cookiedoughdynamo2747]

I dont understand why any of the digital information such as car ID and payment method isn't directly communicated between the car and charging station. You plug in a fat cable and you're still fiddling around with a smart phone and credit card in hand.

[@tiborpalatka]

it is, you just need to get a Tesla

[@ErebosGR]

@@tiborpalatka Because a Tesla is collecting a lot more user data in the first place, so they don't need an app.

[@richardcampbell8685]

@@ErebosGRthis guy gets it

[@ErebosGR]

@@richardcampbell8685 Yeah, the study that the Mozilla Foundation did on most car brands showed Tesla as the absolute worst offender in terms of data collection and data safety. Not to mention the anecdotal stories about Tesla employees watching live feeds from people's cars.

[@sebastiansandvik825]

To everyone wondering why there are charging apps - as someone in the tech sector dealing with valuations, let me tell you; If a customer buys elecitricity by tapping their credit card they buy a commodity as a one-time customer, then the company is valued as a commodity company with low expected growth. If a customer downloads an app, preferably has some kind of plan, and uses it to pay, then the income becomes recurring revenue.That means that you the valuation, usually, takes a certain expected growth into account (they are a tech company!) and the multiplier for the stock goes up. Luckily the EU requires card readers on new fast charging stations these days.

[@warlock91]

This is like your older coworker kicking off because they can't use Excel. It's not the cars fault you don't know what you're doing.

[@Pilch9]

😂 very true. Perhaps Matt is not the target demographic … 😂

[@TrueSkyl1n3]

Excel has been around for longer than you’ve been alive, what a glorious self-own.

[@Michael-pi8ps]

@@TrueSkyl1n3yet yall still can’t use it

[@wjh31]

Took my Polestar 2 to a track day (evening session). It was great fun on track but there were no Fast chargers near the track. Once the battery was depleted my evening was done. Misha has had some videos showing there are some great fun cars to drive on track but as is usual with EV, infrastructure lets it down.

[@golic7123]

Nice Ioniq No. plate . . . . "Marleeennnnneeeeee!"

[@dwinterx]

Be even nicer if it was legally spaced!

[@bmonq]

16:24 you're all so very welcome. 🤣

[@rheinhardtfabisch3497]

😂😂😂

[@dnpo]

Why are we forced to own smartphones?

[@notxander6838]

0:04 you BROUGHT it

[@chriscringle9263]

Lest we forget 99.9% of people who comment on this video have never been on a track, will never go on a track and dont even have the skills to drive quick enough if they got a chance. So however much it pains me to say this... ON THE ROAD it would be the Hyundai.

[@conor7154]

That’s cool. I’ve been to the track with my car more times than I can count. Multiple tracks. I also saw how comically difficult and convoluted charging that thing is, so no thank you. Perhaps you can point me to some 420 volt or whatever chargers in the middle of Tokushima or Miyagi. Oh what’s that? You can’t? Yeah, I’ll stick with gas cars then.

[@henrytang2203]

Like the "manual or nothing" people who haven't yet learnt to drive stick?

[@ChronicBintX]

@@conor7154 Charging is dead easy in reality, the only real factor is the time it takes.

[@kronik9317]

@@conor7154lmfao i doubt it buddy

[@GraveUypo]

i would get the hyundai anywhere. i like cars, i like racing, but practicality is important. this ionic is the new "hothatch" of the car world. does everything and still goes fast and is fun to drive

[@ErnieSaint]

Probs the best Carwow video EVER! Great work lads!

[@muckspreader1able]

Not a bmw fan but I’ll take the m2.That charging carry on is a massive no thanks.What a bag of wank😂

[@Pilch9]

Like Top Gear, this is heavily edited to make a funny show. You don’t really think life with either car is this stupid? Or did I burst your bubble about top gear also? 😉

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

Average joes will justify it just so they can finally say they own a fast car. 😂😂

[@wasw]

@@PEACEOUTXX1 at that point just get a motorcycle a 6k$ motorcycle is faster than 99% of the average cars on the road

[@combativesquire4234]

Fyi it's ers that f1 drivers use and need to plan and not drs

[@mikeman8653]

There are cooling vent covers in the front wheel wells that need to be removed on the M2 to help with the brake cooling on a track. They are very easy to remove. You just pop them out during track days. You can leave them off if you like but on regular street driving its better to cover them back up to prevent pebbles and debris going towards the discs and brakes.

[@Chris-nw6ws]

I'd rather the 5N over the current hideous M2. I would however take the previous M2 over either

[@Eminetics]

To be honest I don’t think EVs will see much adoption now that sales have slowed to a crawl and buyers are afraid of the deprecation and hidden problems. Personally i am 32 and will never own an EV but it makes a great appliance for the GF to go shopping in I guess but yes it’s 100% utterly souless.

[@mauricetoussaint7283]

We had a Tesla Model Y Performance and hated it. It was the wife's company car. It's gone now and back to ICE. We'll only get another EV when the infrastructure is in place and the cars are better.

[@verynormalman]

It's actually good to see the real chaos that normal people experience with EVs. I borrowed a Mini electric for 24 hours. It was a fecking nightmare. It kind of destroyed our whole day. The stress, and then finding a charger, then once we found one, it wouldn't charge at the advertised rate, but still took the full enhanced payment rate for the DC rate. We finished the day, thinking that we were either stupid, or had somehow totally misunderstood the whole process.

[@calvinallan2208]

This should have been between ZO6 and Gt3rs. please make it happen Carwow

[@preludeh22a57]

nobody cares about corvette outside US

[@calvinallan2208]

@@preludeh22a57 you're just not a real car guy . Typical carrow audience 😂

[@riba2233]

@@calvinallan2208 🤦‍♂

[@calvinallan2208]

@@riba2233 you're proving my point thanks

[@riba2233]

@@calvinallan2208 no I am not, please stop coping

[@risokoly3701]

Just by a Tesla and you will never have any charging problems. It’s that simple 🤣

[@Highlander1432]

Just overheating after every lap

[@alex99398]

Yeah, but it's a Tesla. Nah, I'd take the Ioniq 5N over any Tesla... Build quality is still awful on Teslas, those spare interiors and ergonomics are a joke and styling is absolutely HIDEOUS imo.. Styling is subjective, but man, Teslas ain't it imo..

[@lvdeluxe1]

Those fuel prices are so sad.

[@benmarley3086]

If there were no tax the cost would be cut in half

[@andywillis9701]

having ICE sounds through the speakers of a performance electric car tells me all i need to know about them :)

[@jcg1275]

Staying with ICE cars, EV no thank you!

[@Sahkoautoseparempiauto]

Planning to drive a lot on track so you?

[@isakditlefsen4197]

Jeremey Clarskon said it quite well in that latest Grand Tour Special

[@sorinelpustiu5674]

Dumb charging comparison. Reality: EV is fully charged when you wake up. ICE...you waste your time to go to the pump 😂 Also,nice advertisment for Tesla, supercharger network is flawless and that's why they sell MILLIONS of cars

[@CyberUtilia]

Well, if you only drive the same way to work everyday back and forth ...

[@markgomez9079]

@@CyberUtilia wrong. With over 300 miles of range if your work commute is more than that then you need to find a new job

[@CyberUtilia]

@@markgomez9079 No, in that case you can still get a normal car. Or yes, you find a new job, I wouldn't enjoy driving everyday more than 100-200 miles and THE SAME WAY

[@telfer3388]

in europe about 50% of the population lives in a home. So the other 50% will probably never have the ability to charge their electric car over night. And even for those living in homes If 100% of those 50% precent owould charge their cars over night as things stand for today the power grid is not capable of handling that - I wonder how many years it will take to overhaul the power grid for it to even be possible. All the early adopters bought Ev's by now (and if you are one of them and you are happy - good for you) and the sales plumeted all over place. The rest of the people just dont want them because there not practical for them. Not even mentioning the price and value los over time.

[@kagisot5479]

Mat is so stubborn why not take the 102???

[@seepel]

As he said, doesnt matter. Its not optimized for 102, so u gain nothing in terms of power

[@arthurcurry3473]

Super entertaining video! More of this, please!

[@wellsyandcars]

I will drive ICE cars until they are completely banned from the roads.

[@CyberUtilia]

I will drive them longer than that

[@ThinkscapeVideo]

Ok boomer

[@kasmstamps1897]

Not so much being banned. It will be the tax. I paid my tax upfront. I got a Seal and solar panels.

[@mrpeace3860]

EVs are not fun. I am driving a lot of the 'sport' EVs and they are just fast. Fast but boring and emotionless. And no matter what some brands come up with to make them not boring, they just stay boring and pale.

[@sschetters1130]

Lot's of emotions, I love it. That's what it's all about. And props to the editing guy putting in the MGS5 sound bit ❤

[@mpilv]

A message to the government is a good idea. Chargers should be in every filling station.

[@TheBasher-_-]

As long as they don’t take away from actual gas pumps and there’s space to the side for them.

[@RoytheLevy]

So it's an electric car with sounds of an engine and gears in order to make it fun... That answered the question

[@alex99398]

You know performance cars, including many high performance BMWs have fake pumped in engine sounds, right?

[@hellaiv]

Tesla has superchargers at Laguna Seca, Buttonwillow, Thunderhill, VIR and Watkins Glen to name a few. The thing with non standard charging for different brands is that you have to frequently go to various different suppliers and they all have different apps or billing processes. Meanwhile, Tesla charging is plug and play billed directly to the card setup by car.

[@olivers2878]

The reason that you can’t charge your EV at a petrol station is the fire risk that EV’s have. Fire and petrol do not go together.

[@edipires15]

Last time I’ve checked ICE cars have a greater fire risk than EVs.

[@LouisDuran]

You know what's really not fun.. paying $9 per gallon of gasoline!!! I pay about $3.00 to completely charge my EV battery from empty.

[@Mav86asian]

That’s because you’ve already PAID the price for your battery in advance. Without that battery, your car is worth 15K less.

[@LouisDuran]

@@Mav86asian wrong. I don't have time to explain to you why you're wrong. But you're wrong. My battery would not cost anywhere near that to replace. And I will NOT need to replace it before 100K miles.

[@ianmungwadzi]

⁠@@Mav86asianI’m sorry but that’s like saying “you paid for your engine in advance”. That’s a given as it comes with the car.

[@dopiaza2006]

@@Mav86asian And your engine was free?

[@sachinparihar8582]

9$ for once and 3$ for 3 times. And already paid for battery