CAS players are delusional (mostly)

[@turtlepowa]

In my humble opinion AA's should get more reward straightfoward as it will push players to spawn in them more frequently.

[@wafflecopter9296]

I think once a player is dead and has no spawn points then they have the option to man an anti air cannon on the outskirts of the map near spawn so they might be able to protect fresh spawns from CAS

[@Enteropy23]

pantsir...

[@K1ng_Rat]

​@@Enteropy23g-lynx...

[@The_unfunny_one]

I actually kinda like being SPAA, it’s nice to see the wyvern the bombed me get a ‘rapid unscheduled disassembly’

[@margariini3038]

​@@The_unfunny_oneI love playing spaa too even though it is boring sometimes, I don't like playing planes in ground rb.

[@doctorjamesbondutch9953]

CAS players: This game will be all camping without CAS Also CAS players: juST HIde bEhInD BUliDiNgS

[@doctorjamesbondutch9953]

@twerkingbollocks6661 exactly that will be an interesting way to balance cas in lower tiers especially

[@Someth1n_]

@twerkingbollocks6661 Look at Enlisted

[@SpaceCoffee700]

@twerkingbollocks6661 so sim is worth it now? it used to be lacking big time 2015-17

[@theHatted]

Cas or no, ground battles is still just camping.

[@Just_gaming2012-od2rv]

Haha! Tank player: CAS Is unfair because it is to good! Gayjin: WHO cares

[@yuryvendiktov4832]

Fighter intercepters should be cheaper and air belts should reduce SP cost by a good some

[@jacks_here_]

I mean theres still some planes that can shred tanks with just mg s

[@diprosla592]

​@@jacks_here_only Open tops

[@sebastianfalcon948]

No it shouldn't, cus CAS players can just take airbelts too

[@john236613]

I know it's a stupid thing to point out, but its sum, not some.

[@mochathegrande3640]

F-4 F-14 F4U are all fighter interceptors and also very popular and competent cas platforms. Also planes like the P-38 and F4U-4B have ap rounds in their default and air targets belts that can still shred ground targets

[@officialis5027]

The primary issue most people have with CAS seems to be revenge bombing, and unfortunately whether the guy who is coming back in a plane is mad or not you're usually just the easiest target because they know exactly where you are. CAS at mid to low tier has pretty much free reign if you don't have a couple competent SPAA players on the enemy team, and if you do most planes can still get bombs out on you before they lose complete control. Some people are quite effective at utilizing mounted MGs (specifically M2 Brownings) to damage planes as well at these low speeds. CAS balance at higher tiers is more dependent on the vehicles involved and experience levels of the players; some SPAAs and planes are terrible, have bad missiles or air to ground loadouts, etc, and others are absolute slaughter machines. Helicopters also come in here and can be either untouchable, unlockable slaughter machines or free RP depending on range and munitions. At the highest tiers (~10.7-12.0) any competent CAS player flying nearly any [at-tier] plane that has guided munitions can be 100% unkillable if they simply fly high enough. The Pantsir, Tor, and other SPAAs cannot viably attack you if you simply side climb to 10-15k+ and drop GBUs or other PGMs from that altitude - their missiles either can't reach you or are trivial to dodge at that point. Plenty of players will fire guided munitions even from outside render range after acquiring a stationary target (usually SPAAs in the spawn or someone capping a point) and still get the kill reasonably often.

[@theluckyshot4702]

I agree about low tier, however at top tier it's a bit of a different story, there cas has the ability to be overpowered given the right circumstances, first off all, having Russia on your team removes the possibility of getting targeted on spawn since none of the other aas have enough range, secondly incompetent aa players that don't know about the radar cone(flying outside of the radars tracking angles) thirdly having targets that do not necessarily move since most TV guided bombs only track at about 6km range. Now a competent aa player can beat all of these, especially with a pantsir or tor m1 by just scanning the sky and locking onto the plane, since rwr is broken right now you have to look for trails of smoke from the ground to be able to dodge incoming missiles. Flying low will often result in getting locked by a ty-90(chinese z19) which rn is virtually undodgable most of the time, or getting killed by autocannon/proxy fuse fire. The funny thing is the nations with the best aas are the ones usually that need it the least, this is especially true for russia(ka50-ka52-mi28nm-mig27, etc)

[@jojomaster7675]

Low tier CAS is easy to counter. Brownings and DSHKs can shred props if you see them coming soon enough.

[@Slavicplayer251]

just add an area air defence system on higher br maps that lock on to you when you go above a certain altitude. say if you go over 7.5km high now an air defence system has line of sight and locks on, then if you dare try to stay there after a random amount of time between 30-60 secs a patriot or s-300 is launched to either kill you or scare you enough to drop down, so then the spaa have a fighting chance to do their jobs

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

At top tier CAS is basically unusable depending on whether or not an SPAA exists and who's SPAA it is. If you're facing Russia, you may as well not even try getting in a plane. If you're facing anyone else, you have a chance if you know what you're doing. If the SPAA player is good, you're basically useless because you're going to be sitting out of range to target anything because you're going to be playing standoff and chicken against the SPAA player. A good SPAA player doesn't even have to kill a plane to render it a non-threat at top tier. And for some nations the only good cas aircraft are at the very very end when they get access to laser guided munitions. Because I'm sorry but TV guided munitions are trash and don't work, especially if it's name is Maverick. They're also extremely easy to counter. The only SPAA players that struggle are the ones who never learn to MOVE and PAY ATTENTION.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

​@@Slavicplayer251the only nations that need that fighting chance are any nations that doesn't have a Pantsir, Tor, or VT-1. Even then it's really only Russia, China, and Germany that have viable SPAA. Since no one plays France and Sweden is just Germany anyway.

[@YTDariuS-my6dg]

I enjoy the camper argument the most because it exposes Gaijin's favorite practice. "Oh there's a problem in the game? Let's introduce an EVEN BIGGER problem that fixes the first problem but makes half a dozen other things much much worse!"

[@captainhellhound7451]

“If this is unfair the only way to stop it is make something more unfair”

[@marley9800]

How is camping a problem in a tank game, what dumbass tank would play in the open

[@witekrogaty8397]

agreed.

[@a_paperweight]

Ah, the cane toad solution

[@gilibran]

I have been away from War Thunder for a couple of months, i am shocked at how they reduced the size of some maps to in some cases less then 50% of what they used to be. What in the hell are they trying to do? Just more and more close quarter combat with tanks and even easier CAS kills. It's just baffling how the incompetence of Gaijidiot just keeps getting worse and worse and how more and more players are actually defending them. Where do all these simpletons come from thinking Gaijin is actually improving the game and it's getting better and better?????

[@justsayin2085]

The problem here is that even if you have a competent SPAA on your team at mid to low tier, getting swarmed by planes is impossible to survive. As a SPAA you have to pick an area where you can defend your teams push and that area is always where the fight is, not only do you need to listen to plane engines but you also need to keep up with your mini map and enemy tank engines noises, it gets pretty overwhelming.

[@heliotarrara]

Yeah if you get targeted by two planes at once you're pretty much dead even as SPAA. You can't aim two places at once. Planes can see most of the battlefield and often target SPAA because they are a threat. If there's more then 2-3 planes in the sky good luck not getting killed after engaging one in mid tiers. So pretty balanced gameplay when the counter is so easily countered by the existence of multiple of the vehicle in was designed to destroy. Normally this balance works in games; but planes in WT can react to almost anywhere on the map in a few seconds. So there's just no competition between ground and air. It's like a pack of hornets fighting scattered ants. Pretty fun for the ants. (point being it's bad game design.)

[@unvaxxed313]

Tanks are for peasents

[@unvaxxed313]

@@heliotarrara Planes also cost 7x-10x as much SP as SPAA you genius. Quit the bitching and l2p

[@doingmath676]

@@heliotarrara Maybe it is fair when SPAA that cost 70 OP dies from the cooperation of two CAS planes cost 450+(usually 550+) each. As both a CAS and SPAA player I agree that if there are two cooperating players(1 as decoy and 1 shots) it is very hard to counter them even with 2 spaa. But usually(I would say 60-70%) if you engage SPAA 1vs1, you both die or SPAA survives(even if you survive you are left too crippled to do anything). And you can't ignore SPAA because ocasional shell can hit you from 3 km, hence you will have to solve it. I would say if you are so annoyed about "unkillable CAS" you should advocate for cheaper fighers(without anti-ground munition and bombs) Honestly, I think that the biggest problem are bombers like Pe 8 and Lancaster who can bomb practically beyond SPAA range, where only fighers can help.

[@lordulberthellblaze6509]

I'm a dedicated fighter main and the big reason that play ground rb is to switch to my fighters as soon as I get enough points. And then spend the match patrolling the skies for enemy planes to hunt. It can get pretty hairy like arcade but way more controlled and less janky.

[@jacka3621]

Idk how there isn’t two game mode options for RB, being one with air spawns and one without. If you choose to play in the air spawn mode you should be fine dying to CAS, and if you don’t want to, you can switch. It’d probably make server search times a little bit longer, but honestly I’d rather wait another 20 seconds to find a match than get rushed by KA-50s and get killed within the first 2 minutes of a game

[@svenneumann2816]

This. This so much.

[@jojomaster7675]

Gaijin refuses to even decompress brs a little bit, because "oh, but the queue times", so this ain't happening.

[@VenomGamingCenter]

WT youtube creators tried out custom games of ground only, got their communities involved. Every game was boring. There was the initial rush for caps, but after that noone moved. Sightlines and OP spots were covered and taken, if you moved, you died. It became matches of sitting still. Ground only would die off quickly.

[@fosfan48]

​@jojomaster7675 even though you pretty much instantly find a match now anyway

[@435cyberteam9]

@@jojomaster7675 That argument is probably the thing that pisses me off the most about Gaijin (and the people who say a ground only mode would increase queue times). Because the fact is, it probably wouldn't. Decompressing BR's and making a separate ground only mode would make the game more fun to a wider range of people, bringing in more players and bringing back old ones who quit for these exact issues. Sure to begin with it would be at most a minute longer, but after a couple of weeks the game will bring in so many more players because it's suddenly better for everyone. Including Gaijin, more people means more income. BR decompression would also incentivise grinding more instead of permanently sitting at low-mid tier, which would help the mid to high queue times too.

[@Frank-pc2rs]

Im so tired of CAS and im tired of people denying that there is an issue with it. They deny because they don't want to admit that they really aren't that good without it.

[@duke0salt717]

Ya as sad as it is, most cas players I've noticed have dogshit tank stats

[@mrparrot234]

Yup. It's the same with anything that's clearly overpowered in general, you'll get people arguing to the ends of the earth that it's not OP. They don't genuinely think that, they KNOW it's OP, they're just circling the wagons to defend their clubbing machine because they don't want it to get balanced.

[@kaidestructor7350]

As a representative of all CAS players, you are mostly right XD

[@Donmud]

I still watch WT content but have quit due to CAS . As a ground player I’m really good at the game . Just got tired of getting CAsd to death . If I die 10 times 8 of those were due to CAS

[@elkrumb9159]

I’ve never felt salty about getting killed by CAS

[@clonerwesker]

CAS has become quite the problem for ground battles, especially so when playing against US teams as they have so many ground pounding aircraft that you'll end up with half their team in planes because the hellcats that flanked got a few kills and has enough SP to bring out their entire line up of ground pounders whereas other nations have little to no options for CAS. I don't think they should be removed, but I do believe there should be a mechanic similar to base AA that keeps constant pressure on enemy planes with semi accurate flak that blinds and hinders flight performance

[@jacobsteinman6077]

This doesn’t sound very patriotic

[@damiangaming5696]

For that argument I just say give AA players Flak shells that burst and frankly fuck gaijin for saying "But what about performance" they can model a 12000kg bomb explosion but not a flak shell bullshit

[@jw6337]

​@damiangaming5696 they say that just so they can update the particle effects every 3 updates so it looks even prettier as your getting pelted by a 20mm auto cannon and it's not even like air burst effects need to look good anyways no one on the ground is gonna be able to tell from a kilometer away

[@nemo._.nobody]

Russia doesn't have punders??? Germany doesn't have a great fighter (109) capable of dropping a bomb, sustaining speed in stable turns to then, in good hands, shoot down all those american pounders you talk about? Also, each tree is supost to have its strong points, complaining about America, one of the nations that suffers the most in the name of balance or "oh, we dont know if they had that capability, but hey, here is a german or Russian prototype or ufo plane that didn't went any where but in game is damn amazing". -.... etc...

[@bradenhagen7977]

Why give the AI more of an impact then it already does? I don't want to have to rely on the game to save me just when it feels like it.

[@an000n]

Add an air mode where instead of bombing bases you exclusively play as cas against ai targets

[@brown1es]

Yesssss

[@Uzyvan6]

There is a game mode

[@ultimatechad8738]

@@Uzyvan6 Nope, it's dead asf

[@user-ns4zm8qe9p]

It’s called ground rb

[@jaiell2049]

I mean there are maps where there's no bases to bomb, only ground targets to kill

[@blitzwing_sm9177]

7:26 i would also like to add that most maps are city based, while in real life, taking a tank into a city is one of the most idiotic things you could do.

[@wehrabooslayer419]

That thing you said about having your agency taken away. It is like wasps, you can’t do anything because if you do, they will sting. That is the most annoying thing about them. Now I understand why some players feel CAS is so frustrating.

[@unvaxxed313]

you need one 70sp spaa to counter one 700sp cas plane so stfu

[@unvaxxed313]

Tanks are for peasants

[@whatthepaul735]

I think that the number of planes simultaneously flying should be limited like in arcade where when an air battle starts only a certain number of planes can fly at the same time. Also making planes actually take off is a really good idea

[@JohnBrowningsGhost]

I love it when the entire enemy team is in planes, because they generally lose when they do that.

[@Dont14-r4k]

​@@JohnBrowningsGhostUntil they bomb all your teammates and now you just have yourself left and pretty much can't win

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

that is primarily why I play arcade, yeah the earnings are lower but it's generally fun, besides I don't play anything above tier 5 because low tier is more enjoyable

[@malevolence89]

​@@Dont14-r4k Part of the illusion of cas winning games is that by the time so many of the enemies are in planes, they must have gotten at least two kills per person to be in said planes. Thus the large presence of enemy planes in the first place means that your team is already being mollywopped. It depends how effective their air players are. If a number of players on one team go in planes, and an equal amount on the enemy team go spaa, the spaa team should win on top of having spent far less to spawn in. It is a skill / team coordination issue if anything and even at the worst spaa tiers, two spaa should defeat two planes.

[@Dont14-r4k]

@@malevolence89 this is false, want to know why? Firstly even just getting a cap and an assist can grant you a plane, or just 1 kill, not 2. Secondly by the time I make it to the cap there are already 2 planes in the air, only 1 of the capture circles were taken, whether it was my or their team, and 3 people have died, again whether it's from my or their team. Spookston shows this PERFECTLY in his CAS videos, how easy it is to get into a plane 5 minutes into the match and at that point it's literally a landslide unless the CAS players are extremely stupid.

[@hampterofficial]

6:00 The option of devs actually putting some thought behind their maps is too much of a utopia.

[@rogermcbadlad2812]

I appreciate you acknowledging that the tier I planes and tanks are interwar and not WWI era. I think it would be fun if CAS had airfield spawns like the helicopters get helipad spawns

[@OR56]

I love how CAS players say that CAS is perfectly fine and easily countered, and that without it, the game would just be campers. But when you tell them that you get bombed when you play the objective because it announces to the whole map where you are, they say “you are just a narcissist because YOU need to cap the points and be a hero. Just hide and camp all game if you want to not get CAS’ed.

[@unvaxxed313]

@@OR56 how bout whenever you get cas'd you spawn a fighter? Yall are just having a big skill issue

[@OR56]

@@unvaxxed313 Here's a thought. What if, I don't WANT to fly a fucking plane because it's GROUND BATTLES you neanderthal.

[@LokiV_WT]

​@@unvaxxed313one fighter Vs 5 enemy planes that are probably kill both you and themselves in a headon? no, you are clearly another CAS-tard

[@youlaughyouphill842]

@@unvaxxed313braindead

[@one-nu2dh]

​@@unvaxxed313 i'm an air main but how? If you get killed before being able to do points how the fuck are you going to get a plane?

[@2337wolf]

I think the implementation of CAS in ground gives certain planes a reason for existing and making sense for Gaijin to put in the effort to add them. Having typical fighters strap on a 500lb bomb and be effective in a CAS role is a little silly to me, even if that fighter could historically carry that payload. Now I'm usually the guy to bring in a fighter, no bombs, to counter enemy CAS but I shouldn't have to do that when I signed up to play Ground. The prevalence and OP-ness of CAS in the mid tiers is very apparent and I like the proposed ideas.

[@willow_pillow_VT]

As a low tier CAS player, I can confirm that I have severe schizophrenia and am a major masochist

[@PrivateMemo]

I thought CAS is op. So how does that make you a masochist??

[@iidoughnutholes3087]

@@PrivateMemoin low tiers it’s a nightmare. And in high tiers as soon as you spawn in you die to a missile (or that’s just my experience with it)

[@mrclean7634]

@@iidoughnutholes3087 low tier is a nightmare did you forget about the stuka?

[@unvaxxed313]

​@@PrivateMemoTry maining cas yourself before saying its op dumbass

[@NeonBeeCat]

​@@mrclean7634maybe they're not a Germany player

[@waxromantic]

I suggested once upon a time that CAS players should not be able to see ground battle capture points, or ground battle hitmarkers (to fix the problem specifically mentioned at 4:40) and I was told that "literally what's the point, if they're using discord, or in a squad it makes no difference" even though I clearly stated that my problem was that somebody can solo queue, get a plane after 2 assists, and ruin my entire game when I want to play the M18. there's no getting through to CAS players.. don't even get me started on "Just Play SPAA," because as an American player, there is an entire 4.3-7.7 BATTLE RATING GAP IN MY SPAA LINE. it's just not viable to hinder the tanks I want to play for a chance against aircraft I don't want to play SPAA, I want. To Play. The M18. I can't do that if the game tells every single pilot in a 15km radius EXACTLY where I am.

[@Ballistics_Computer]

I hope more cas players see this video, those people are less than human. Excellent video

[@Tymptra]

Hello, based department?

[@Ballistics_Computer]

@@Tymptra speaking

[@MTF-EPSILON-11-5-NULL]

@@Tymptrai do counter sometimes normally when you reach over level 40 you see demon german AA players who snipe you from a mile away

[@Ballistics_Computer]

@Sussyamongus3000 these changes are conservative, not nearly radical enough for my agenda. I seek total cas death. A ground only mode. Obviously it would be less popular than combined battles, but I don't care. It's only rational as planes have a plane only mode. People often point to arcade and call it a ground only mode, but really? Just really? Realistic is where it's at and this is well known.

[@Ballistics_Computer]

@Sussyamongus3000 alright so you're just not reading what I'm saying then, okay.

[@jaredmerrill]

AA reward increase sounds good and paired with airfield spawn I think would alleviate a lot, when I use CAS it is usually to kill spawn campers so we can get out of spawn, and beyond that I don't quite get the physics of dropping bombs especially since drop time and airspeed vary between planes so usually dropping 100kg bombs I don't kill much (I mostly do tanks)

[@williamkwl6153]

The fact that most CAS player response to a ground/ship only mode is "Might as well remove SPAA" "But where's the realism in that?!" "Tank and ship don't fight by themselves!" Talking to these shit are a waste of time

[@Squidgothesquigitor]

Bro what spaa stands for self propelled anti aircraft if there's no aircraft it would be useless except for certain spaas such as the Zsu 57 which is a small minority so I'd say your in the wrong saying they shouldd stay in a plane less game mode

[@unvaxxed313]

Tanks are for peasants

[@unvaxxed313]

@@williamkwl6153 Just learn how to fly planes and stop crying bruh

[@PapaFlame]

If we are talking skill issues, let's talk about the players that are so bad they have to resort playing something tanks physically can't fight back against to get revenge on the guy who's been dominating them the entire game.

[@PapaFlame]

One funny suggestion I have is with the "skill bonus" feature, you know the one where you get a bonus for every 3 kills you get, you should make every kill with a plane count as -1 towards that bonus as they fundementally lack any skill to play.

[@unvaxxed313]

if we are talking skill issues, let's talk about the poor peasant tankers who complain about cas because they are too bad to hop into a fighter. Angry little peasant.

[@unvaxxed313]

@@PapaFlame cry harder tanker peasent

[@TheFallenStick]

​@@unvaxxed313 don't need to project my dude

[@unvaxxed313]

@@PapaFlame „If we are talking skill issues", let's talk about the players that are so bad they can't spawn into a fighter too shoot down some noobie oblivious cas players tunnel visioning the ground. Skill issue

[@tankgoblinbaker6329]

this is one of the better Videos I've see about CAS and I agree with I think all the points you made, the biggest issue I have with CAS is bomb camping spawn when half the enemy team is in CAS and just non stop bombs the spawn.

[@PrivateMemo]

How can you be coping about "bomb spawn camping"??? You can't get more free kills. You can just sit in spawn and farm plane kills in your AA if you have more than three brain cells. I've seen so many games thrown because a team is only in planes that cost 700 SP, while my team was spawning in 70 SP AAAs and farming SP for more tanks.

[@svenneumann2816]

Are you actually retarded? How am I supposed to kill 5 different planes when I am dead within seconds of spawning?

[@corsairsofnarshaddaa]

@@PrivateMemo You may get one or two, but you'll be instakilled if you spawn in an AAA and sit in your SP

[@GraveDigger388]

​@@PrivateMemoMr. Hyperbolic McExaggeration, how are you today?

[@unvaxxed313]

@@tankgoblinbaker6329 spawn a fighter and stop crying bruh

[@lexusluna]

we can all agree that CAS is the most annoying thing ever

[@LastGoatKnight]

I'm a CAS magnet eventhough I don't have any heavy tanks as a Japan main. It start to feel like it's Air RB with foreplay instead of Ground RB

[@dmkbnin5129]

Nuh uh

[@a.k._v10]

Yes and heli players are the biggest pussies in the game

[@lexusluna]

yeh uh

[@amuplay2302]

CAS is not the worst thing ever, revenge CAS is

[@SteelxWolf]

While I do enjoy actually pulling a game back or helping my squadmates with CAS. EVERYONE will (should) agree that CAS is too easy to spawn in. of course if I wipe clean half the enemy team I should get the ability to use CAS since I built up the SP. But lately I have found some seriously stupid easy ways to farm hits/assists for insane SP potential.

[@bhones3123]

As a CAS player, I agree with the idea of making us take off from the Air Field. Also adds a hint of realism ngl, as CAS wouldn't just automatically be in the AO and ready to go. It would need to be called into the AO first, usually, unless it's a preplanned operation, etc. So I agree with that idea wholeheartedly

[@435cyberteam9]

I love that you said it adds a hint of realism. The main argument for CAS being a good thing is that CAS exists on realistic battlefields, so CAS makes realistic sense to be a thing in game. I wonder how many hardcore CAS players would complain about spawning on the airfield while making the "CAS is realistic" argument at the same time.

[@unvaxxed313]

beta

[@Soupraa_UK]

it's already a huge problem when you can talk about problems in a game and say "it probably wont be fixed because it makes them a lot of money" gajin is more of a corporation than a game dev company at this point

[@psymon7034]

Don't forget that other than the fact that planes are a completely different tech tree with thousands of points, players that want to counter cas with cas have to learn all of these things to only atempt to deal with players that not only have been doing this for ages but also most likely have a fully researched plane or a br above, so that's a neat thing! Also 5.3 to 7.7-8.0 gap in spaa is funny.

[@unvaxxed313]

Tanks are for peasants

[@ThatProduceGuy_]

Pretty level headed suggestions to tame CAS. I’ve been playing since 2018 or so and have ground & air for several nations. I like both as the main thing they do is increase time it takes for CAS to reach the battle, which decreases their effect of the course of the battle. I personally think it should be one or the other, and I have a slight preference to make the CAS sp cost higher as it would limit how quickly and frequently people spawn planes. As a CAS enjoyer myself I’ve actually seen games lost because too much of one team spawned in planes to the level that only one or two ground vehicles remained for that team and lost all objectives (especially when they don’t even bring ordinance, they spawn plain fighters with machine guns only). SPAA would become more effective if you reduce the rate that planes are spawned, but must be carefully balanced because if you make it so that very few people spawn planes then SPAA also loosed is significance.

[@thewanderingstranger6638]

Look it's okay to enjoy cas, but I still question about their place at ground battles, because you're the one that's pounding them, but we tank players always get the receiving end of it. The cost of CAS should be higher at least 1.75 times higher than now

[@jerbear3915]

What’s more annoying is when half of your team goes cas and you’re losing points

[@benjooderso7765]

Cas in realism annoyes me, since, as you said, it is very cheap to get into a plane (for example 720 points or so for He111 with 2500kg bomb). The only plane I take into GRB is the 109, wich I also just play if like half the enemy team is up. The issue with the sound you mentioned doesn´t only apply to the planes. I have fairly often the problem, that I can´t hear enemy engines properly if there are multiple planes nearby. The only part I love seeing cas in is in GSB, since it requires actual skill to even fly planes there in the first place. Otherwise great video! :]

[@Tymptra]

Oh yeah I think CAS in sim is fine... needing to fly in first person actually makes it a challenge

[@game2gether115]

​@@TymptraNah, I fly cas in in sim quite friquently and it's not much harder than cas in RB

[@someguy4512]

@@game2gether115 well you are used to it, a lot of people don't play sim, let alone air sim, there is a learning cerve, unlike realistic battles.

[@game2gether115]

@@someguy4512 But even in RB there are ways to improve, like knowing wich positons are importent to clear and to predict, where the team or the enemy is going to push, in order to support or respectivly stop the push

[@someguy4512]

@@game2gether115 again that a lurning cerve, your avrg person doesn't do that, assuming he can even lift from the air base, I died like 5 times trying to go up only to barrel roll to my death, and since then didn't play it at all.

[@LinkywayZ]

the fact of taking off from the ground seems pretty fair as a cas player

[@nick11jl]

yeah imo its the best way to fix it

[@unvaxxed313]

beta

[@LinkywayZ]

@@unvaxxed313 wdym ?

[@obamatraore2339]

​@@nick11jlwhat exactly does it fix? It adds 10-15 seconds before they do what they were gonna do anyway

[@revengeofthepanzers9047]

I can’t fathom why Gajin doesn’t just add a ground vehicle only ground battles mode like it’s the simplest solution

[@unvaxxed313]

@@revengeofthepanzers9047 Cause it's lame af. Spawn a fighter and stop crying bruh

[@mcsmash4905]

its obnoxious to see how desperate they are for a kill , they will kamikaze into the tank they want to kill releasing the bombs 1 sec before impact

[@cyanaquamarine]

2.0x spawn cost, spawn at airfield, and can not be used within the first 5-10 minutes of a match.

[@tlberg6423]

real

[@namelesscrow9351]

CAS players ready to say CAS is the hardest mechanic in WT just to press press fire secondary weapon 4 times then leave the match after getting 20 kills

[@unvaxxed313]

Try maining cas throughout all ranks before crying dumbаss

[@unvaxxed313]

you need one 70sp spaa to counter one 700sp cas plane so stfu

[@unvaxxed313]

most cas players get 1-2 kills for like 500-700sp

[@unvaxxed313]

Tanks are for peasants

[@unvaxxed313]

@@namelesscrow9351 if it's so ez why dont you do it?

[@koztac]

5:07 Another issue with the 'Just hide' excuse is that when you spawn in, you have TWO choices at most as to where you are starting from. Moving out of the obvious spawn points means moving towards the enemy, which can not be defended against in most SPAA. Youre stuck with either CAS spotting you easily or a ground vehicle doing the same.

[@hqwefg]

One thing that might help indirectly is lowering the BR of SPAA, a lot of them are up-BRed because of their anti-tank capability and therefore less cover against the air for everyone else, a good example is the Skink; was praised for being added finally and nobody plays it cause it's at a stupid BR.

[@doctorjamesbondutch9953]

SPG players in WoT are literally the same...They always seem to be the loudest when there's any discussion about CAS/SPG being too annoying and OP. The only thing is now these vocal minorities in WoT disappeared as everybody's happy the SPG's got nerfed...

[@TheLoganatorz]

I consider myself a CAS main in WT. Some of the most fun for me is taking out a first spawn AH-6 and capping points and getting kills from unexpected angles. KA-52 is fun to rush in and punish an entire team if 1 or 2 of them neglect to first spawn SPAA (which usually doesn't happen these days). P-51D5 is very fun to get HVAR kills with and killing a group of tanks with 500 pounders is satisfying. Smart weapons are fun to use and creates a unique dynamic between missile SPAA and later aircraft. Even though I love CAS so much, revenge bombing is too easy in my opinion (especially at lower tiers without easier to guide missiles). I think 3 things can be done to balance CAS in that regard.... 1: Add AI air defense around the tank battlefield that would need to be taken out before a plane can get close enough to be effective. This would include M16s, ZSU-57s, M163, and finally culminate in SA-2s and Hawks for higher tiers. Not only would this mean that to play CAS you would have to perform SEAD before attacking the enemy team, but also that would mean SEAD weapons such as shrikes could be added (I would argue that these would not be game breaking against players since they can just turn off their radar and move to defeat a missile) 2: Have different BRs for the type of weapons you carry. Want to spawn in a SU-25 with just your gun? You will be at a significant disadvantage otherwise and so I believe the BR should be lowered. This would apply to all aircraft and helis and would not only balance them out in air RB with missiles but also in ground battles with ground pound ordinance. 3: Make fighters cheaper to spawn in. This would be much harder to implement than the first option (in regards to balance) since many fighters have good enough guns to take out many ground targets. However, these vehicles are usually more effective than SPAA in repelling CAS. Maybe something like naval or arcade where you have a random fighter unlocked already? Regardless, I believe option 1 and 2 are better since aircraft and helis get new weapons and "missions" while the ground players are more protected (especially early on) With that being said, I disagree that ground RB should have separate game modes with and without CAS. This would split players and it would be harder to get games (especially if you are in a squad with different nations). CAS is fun and I very much enjoy SPAA too. Don't know why I would type something this long or you would read something this long in a gaming comment section but I suppose I enjoy WarThunder enough to give my 2 cents.

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

Do you have any idea what happened when they added AI m163s, tgey kaser you from 4km, its insane

[@techpriest5452]

Eww a heli wanker.

[@hugobidarra2688]

I dont totaly agree with the first point, but if with that ideia use that if the bot AA shoots air and ground spawn campers in the 20 seconds spawn protecting, and could detect flying paterns for example a revenge bomber just flyes straight and in top speed to the ground, if players dont change that flight patern in 10/15 seconds the AA bots should shot down the wing to prevent the bomb revenge and making bombing a litlle bit chalange.....but also how bugs creep in WT some days would be a nightmare to fly or to trust the AA as a tanker

[@TheLoganatorz]

@@Anarcho-harambeism I have very little challenge taking out all the airfield AA defenses at top tier air rb. Even an FJ-4B with bull pups makes short work of Rolands. An ai M163 shouldn’t be fighting against props but early Cold War jets. It’ll still be challenging without the right weapons but it’s supposed to be an engaging experience.

[@Real-Grandpa]

you disagree with having a mode for ground only added? also with this resume in general you made yourself the most hated dude on the game xD

[@misterthemad994]

About WW1 tanks, there is technically one in the game, the French FCM 2C was built at the very end of the war, but was not used during that conflict.

[@dingusdean1905]

I think you should be forced to choose between playing a tank OR CAS. Most actual CAS players want to ground pound and see the tank play as filler, and it’d also make it impossible to revenge bomb. Plus CAS would have to actually go back and re-arm, potentially getting better weapons based on performance maybe, instead of suiciding. It would also incentivize SPAA more because you could start being useful immediately.

[@BepisBoi69]

Absolutely. If I want to play a bomber in wt, I have to choose between trying to secure 3-4 kills in ground RB on my first spawn, or getting jumped by eight fighters in Air RB. If I could queue up as just Ground Support, I would do it every single time. I'm here to obliterate people's map pings and open pushes for my team, not sit and wait to play the game.

[@soulfiemc]

Why do we get such little reward for shooting down aircraft in Ground RB anyways?

[@greenmeadows2637]

The other day, I was playing 5.3 Ground RB and a Pe-8 dropped a 5000kg bomb. It killed only me or maybe one other player. I decided to check the player out. The fella had spawned in a 5000kg bomb with 0 kills, 1 death, 0 assists, and 1 capture... But yeah. CAS is balanced.

[@reinyfrost3753]

SP can be gained by hits / crits / taking hits too

[@unvaxxed313]

@@greenmeadows2637 Spawn a fighter and stop crying

[@greenmeadows2637]

@@unvaxxed313 note that i was playing GROUND rb. Plus, that doesn't change the fact that I already died in the first place in a way I couldn't control. Finally, I don't have any interceptors so I couldn't even catch a Pe-8 if I tried.

[@unvaxxed313]

@@greenmeadows2637 Research a rank 2 fighter and stop crying

[@greenmeadows2637]

@@unvaxxed313 >sweden

[@lucasvyner1502]

1 point that falls more into "the sound is f...d", you cant hear a damn thing on the ground with more than 3 planes in the air. they actively kill your situational awareness just by being.

[@MrEgg5292]

as a Cas player i do like this idea of spawning on the run way because it will feel better and i do agreed of how over power it is

[@unvaxxed313]

@@MrEgg5292 noob

[@kirotheavenger60]

What I think would massively improve the viability of SPAA is if they added a way to switch vehicles without dying and respawning. If I see there's multiple aircraft up, I want to be able to spawn an SPAA, shoot them down, then switch back to my tank to continue the battle. Like, add a mechanic where if you J out at a spawn point it doesn't count as a death, like in air RB. Or maybe let players operate an SPAA in the same way you can operate recon drones

[@jacob5665]

He is correct plus there should be a battle mode only for tanks if planes get to have one why don't tanks get one.😢

[@szisti3343]

From this video it sounds like you haven't heard about the british apache(top tier heli). That is the one that can bring "air to air" starstreaks at a grand total of 290sp at the beginning of the match. Starstreak stats: 1100 m/s (faster than some SAM-s(patsirs's missile is 1300 m/s)), beam riding guided missile, ~30mm of penetration, has HE filler. Now this is what I like to call DISGUSTING and FUCKING BROKEN. And yes I have it, AA can't do much against it.

[@The-Master-Chief]

I used to be neutral on this whole topic but now I just hate CAS players. The last few weeks that I have played ground RB about half of deaths were due to CAS.

[@bigno3991]

spawn a fighter? 😦

[@The-Master-Chief]

@@bigno3991 Yea, you can kill cas in a fighter, AFTER you die.. how do you prevent the cas before you die? Turn a KV2 into an anti air? What happens when that fighter starts killing ground targets. Just admit it, CAS is overpowered and there should be a cas free mode.

[@bigno3991]

@@The-Master-Chief you don't? so what? everything has a counter, quit bitching and learn the game. theres a reason lineups exist.

[@bigno3991]

@@The-Master-Chief ur allowed more than one ground spawn before u run out of sp even if you dont get a kill, you sound like a 1 death leaving premium player lol, worthless opinion

[@The-Master-Chief]

@@bigno3991 Haha, you think I’m a one spawn huh? Well guess what, I DO play prems, the KW2 and ya know what, I die in it about 80% of the time to CAS.. And you know what happens after that? I spawn in a back up then after that dies, a Jagdtiger then VK3002 then a few others then a fighter to clear the skies.. Do you really think I’m a one spawn premium player 😂 You know what, I’m gonna soon make a video just to show how OP CAS is.. How about you get out of your annoying ass SU-25 and P-47 and learn how the game works..

[@azuneis_twitch6431]

That's why i love enlisted, you go in a plane once every 3 squads of you dies and you dont get any markers for enemies or tanks so you have to search for them or coorperate with the people on the ground so they can mark them. Most planes only have 1 semi big bomb like 250lbs. or 4-6 rockets which are kinda hard to aim with and they dont do much damage to tanks, sure they can kill one but only if you hit all rockets at the turret or something. Love your vids by the way

[@jameswalker2081]

Great video! From my experience I've found that CAS is the most balanced in sim battles, its a lot more difficult to actually fly the planes, there are no markers for friendly tanks so you actually have to identify your targets and not just carpet bomb an area, you spawn on the airfield so it takes longer to get to the battle and the maps tend to be much bigger than RB and AB. I get that sim can seem pretty daunting to get into or too "sweaty" for folk and may not be what people are looking for in terms of gameplay, but for me I think it can be the most fun ground game mode apart from the chaos of bottom tier arcade. Gaijin should probably take a look at what they can incorporate from sim into RB in terms of what makes CAS more balanced. Happy to hear anyone's thoughts and suggestions on this.

[@thewanderingstranger6638]

CAS has never been balance, I'd imagine myself on a T95 marching slowly and suddenly hears a whistle blow and died. It's just annoying

[@MH15501]

The easiest way to find out what most of the playerbase thinks about CAS is to introduce a tank-only gamemode (realistic). Run it as a social experiment. My guess would be that atleast 80% of the playerbase will flock to this and never look back. But ofcourse Gaijin will never make a good decision like this.

[@mochathegrande3640]

Cas needs to be fixed in grb similarly to how bombers/attackers need to be fixed in air rb. The game has played like it was early access for the past decade.

[@tiredidealist]

The biggest problem with playing SPAA is that you're basically just taking one for the team and not playing the game you want to play.

[@airportreview913]

Just would like to say even taking off from the airfield and trying to find targets it to easy even in sim. So you could move the airfields and spawn places to about half the size of an air map for balancing.

[@CrispyPratt]

As a CAS enjouer. They are 100% broken There is feeling of nore anger than actually doing well for once just to get cheaply killed by a guy with 1 kill and 1 assist just for him to crash into the grounf and leave when I spawn an SPAA Pls Gaijin tank only mode

[@GPDAMATO]

I feel like there should be a specific game mode for cas that makes them hunt bots in tanks and aa, rather then against players in tanks. Make it where killing tanks gives a lot more sl and rp then killing plane and decrease sl and rp for killing planes as an incentive to keep players for just joining to hunt other planes. And remove planes from ground rb and make the planes bots that attack eachother over the battle field

[@TainyaGaming]

Don't like CAS? World of Tanks exists.

[@samubo206]

@@TainyaGaming*coughs* Arty *coughs*

[@zweigelt3606]

100% True, the main problem is in 4.0 - 8.0 and Top Tier. Why? On 4.0 - 8.0 there are no good SPAA, so you must play fighters to counter the CAS. And in Top Tier? The patch Sky guardiens did the exact oposit what you think about the title. This patch made all SPAA (without pantsir) useless against fast moving jets and a free ticket for CAS players. You see it also in Air RB, the missle SPAA on the airfields is so bad, that the only kills of SPAA are made by the "Sgt Yorcks" because the AI fail also because of the missing turningrates of the missles. So the same conclouson: Only Fighters can stop CAS.

[@_silly_goofer_trooper]

There so many good spaas at 4.0-8.0 and the Adams its still very good. And the vt1 can work unless u are the fat German bus and have only 2

[@zweigelt3606]

@@_silly_goofer_trooper OK show me, how to hit a jet with the VT1 who is not flying in a line

[@Anikoni]

The realism argruement is so stupid warthunder isn't realistic and will probably never be since there is no infrantry

[@zupnanazwa]

Fr. And hiw they can be talking about realism with having a 3 person camera on a plane like do they not realise?

[@IceAxe1940]

Exactly if was truly realistic where's the long range radars? Where is the long range SAM systems like Patriot and S400? Where's the EW vehicles that can disrupt communications and electronics?

[@glaizz975]

You know what i find even worse? When I get atgm'd by some plane 5 kilometers in the sky, that doesn't even require the tiniest bit of skill

[@erikk1744]

My favorite CAS BR has to be between 3.0-3.7, where I have the LA-5 with the 60kg (if i’m not mistaken) bombs, or the early BF-109s with the 4x 50kg bombs. If you know how to bomb and land the bombs within like 1m of the target they die, so they’re hard to use. But they are in turn extremely rewarding, and can give you quite a few kills before you run out of munitions. Great video mate, keep up the good work.

[@andreasakr23giannakou25]

7:37 notable mention, this is the way it is in simulator battles. There, you need to have a lot of skill in order to take off, spot the enemies make, sure that you are looking at an enemy, bomb them and stay alive. This way it feels fair to die to cas. The high skill sealing allows for players to spawn into an aircraft straight away without breaking the game

[@johneriksson9356]

They should make 2 game modes. 1 with cas and 1 without cas

[@grievetan]

80% of people would play only on game mode without CAS then

[@johneriksson9356]

@grievetan it would prove a point that people want to play tanks vs tanks.

[@flandarn329]

@@grievetan That is the reason CAS players cry when we want grb only.If the majority of people dislikes it why do they think that being able to play CAS is ok at the cost of fun for other players?

[@zupnanazwa]

​@grievetan based

[@unvaxxed313]

thats dumb

[@GeneralLudwigSteiner]

Just a reminder in Top-Tier you not only have CAS in form of guided ammunitions, but also FUCKING DRONES!!!!!

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

>Remembers there are scout drones Such an annoying POS Dark Souls 2 hitbox camera demon. It doesn't usually directly kill you, but it leads to your death. The logic is peak gaibjeen placing these things to be able to see WW2 stuff while they would not be fit to be seen in a full Desert Storm era up tier. Not to mention they don't lock up right or at all while they do broken physics acrobatics around all the things.

[@jnicholaswildcat]

They oughta do CAS more like enlisted, make it more difficult for the plane and definitely require more communication with ground units to be able to find targets, make it so that planes don’t have as much information on what’s where compared to what the tanks have map wise essentially

[@percyfreeman5936]

Sounds really weird, usually I just find ground targets with my two eyes, it's rather easy almost on any map

[@KomradeDoge]

This also leads to another problem, Open-top AAA. In Israel for example, you have the TCM-20 and ZSU-57 as your 4 Rank AAA, and then the M-163 for 5 Rank. ALL 3 of these have very light armor and/or perfectly exposed gunners. Basically what that means when combined with the sometimes wonky seeming damage you can do to planes is the plane just needs to let it's cannon rip for like a second and boom, your COUNTER is completely useless. I've had so many times in the TCM-20 specifically where I've shot the hell out of a plane flying right at me and he got the kill just because he got 1 lucky round into the gunner's head. Which then leads into the 2nd half of this, lack of AAA to begin with. In the UK tech tree, you have 2 options at tier 3 and 4, both 5.3, the very risky to use Bosvark, or the Skink, which is obviously the better option of the 2 as all crew members are safe from anything less than a tank shell or bomb. You don't get another AAA until 8.0. US players have to use the Duster from 3 Rank 4.3, all the way to 5 Rank 7.7 where they get the 163 with all it's problems I mentioned earlier. So basically your only option is to get so out-tiered you can barely compete, as the key "problem countries" for CAS can perfectly match the tanks they bring in with the planes BR (not that it matters what BR you're at when dropping a 5000kg bomb from orbit in the PE-8, or 12000lbs from the same place in the Lancaster) or just accept the planes constantly buzzing you and bombing you because you don't even bother taking them into the higher tiers. Adding more AAA and raising the spawn costs of the bomb and rocket trucks especially should definitely be the priority. No one I've ever played with thinks being bombed or even strafed is a fun experience, and I EASILY see it driving away players who refuse to slog it out in the CAS nightmare that is 4 and 5 rank before radar guided guns and SAMs become available.

[@unskilledwarthunderplayer4011]

At least in top tier CAS you need to use some brain cells to kill somebody and to try to not get clapped by a Pantsir

[@45atanner]

Even then u don’t need skill. Sense u can spawn a heli sit in ur spawn lock ur target and kill then without them ever knowing they are dead

[@deez8993]

​@@45atanner lol thats just not true in most case's

[@unskilledwarthunderplayer4011]

@@45atanner yea but not many people use helis as frequently as planes in top tier

[@Mrpancake21]

Cap

[@MrBboy95]

5:40 WT has speed of sound mechanic, if you turn it off in the settings it's easy to pin point plane location

[@ae0n772]

Im a delusional CAS player, I do love me some AirRB battles though, granted I agree with it being boring as hell at times. I love being a fighter in air RB, I enjoy the low altitude dogfights as both allied and hostile SPAA shoots you down, most fun ive had in WT to date. I would like to see a change with CAS players needing to takeoff from the runway, and marginal increases in SP cost

[@K1ng_Rat]

Absolutely sp cost should work- 5 tank kills and you get a heli or su-25

[@HanseLok9495]

Gaijin: The majority of players hate CAS, what do we do? Let us add Drones with Missiles!

[@カリユガ-u6f]

drones are free kills

[@cardboard9124]

idea: playing cas requires that an airfield is still active on the map, airfields can be destroyed and if so, respawning in cas is impossible, though planes already flying get to stay flying. Howitzers and some anti-tank turrets guard the airfield to prevent it from being super easily destroyed

[@mrclean7634]

thats stupid lmao that would just make one team dominate the rest of the game

[@cardboard9124]

how so?@@mrclean7634

[@unvaxxed313]

thats dumb

[@cardboard9124]

each time has an airfield@@mrclean7634

[@cardboard9124]

why?@@unvaxxed313

[@pigpig252]

I'm a huge CAS player and it's my favourite way to play, but I'll wholeheartedly concede that you're right about the BRs you're talking about. Being able to consistently take out a Skyraider with enough ordnance to dominate an entire team feels wild. My most commonly played BRs are around 8.7 and imo it's the most fun tier to CAS in. Early strike jets like the Scimitar with *manual* guided missiles that you have to steer using your arrow keys. Hard to learn but immensely satisfying to use. Meanwhile the enemy often has radar-guided gun AA, which can easily deny you an area of the map and kill you if you fly straight for more than a few seconds. Trying to put a missile on them while dodging fire is intense as hell

[@DALONEWOLF108]

I think they should make the crews abilities more crucial for pilots in ground combat maybe making it way harder to spot ground targets if you don’t have good vision and awareness

[@PrivateMemo]

Ah yes. The already awful grind for crew points obviously needs to be even more necessary to be able to play the game properly. Unless you wanna fork out 2k GE per crew slot to get usable crew. Weren't you guys whining about this stuff just a few months ago?

[@DALONEWOLF108]

@@PrivateMemo I sir have not said anything about crew a few months ago lol or anything about this Cas topic but just suggesting maybe implementing the crew to be more a crucial part of the game

[@MUSICB0X]

CAS player here : I know CAS is OP and I know most people hate getting destroyed by jets at my BR (6.7) so I found a way of making things more fun : i play planes at 3.7-4.0 BR and I find it pretty balanced : i usually only get 1 kill or no kills at all but sometimes i can get on a killing spree and it just feels so rewarding. I also play a lot of SPAA and I think making planes harder to spawn will just make SPAA enven less enjoyable so whenever a plane would spawn the whole team would be completely defenseless so i don't think it is a good idea. I think a way to balance CAS would be to adapt the BR of planes by making them 2-3 BR higher than they are in air battles. This way CAS players can still play CAS but the tanks are not defenseless and SPAA would be a lot funnier I think.

[@thewanderingstranger6638]

Yeah what's to prevent them abusing bomb runs, spaa is still a poor tool to fight them I think a pure ground battles only sounds fun, since people know it's pure ground battle they won't be bothered to use spaa

[@Brukawski]

I played way too much time into War thunder and yeah cas is op as hell but at the same time i do find it necessary for certain situations for example fighting germany and its infinite panthers and tigers when all the tanks in your nation that can fight them are at higher BR. But one of the solutions i though of was to just forced them to use first person therefore limiting what they can see and react to.

[@unvaxxed313]

you need one 70sp spaa to counter one 700sp cas plane so stfu

[@mcdull68]

I absolutely hate morons who call you “skill issue”, while they “try” to make an argument with 2 words.

[@topaz2821]

CAS isn’t a problem if you have competent AA or teammates who will go up and intercept. I do think that you got a point with the mid tiers, but the people who say CAS makes the game unplayable are just exaggerating and lying.

[@mushokueien8148]

It's not unplayable but it is extremely unfun

[@topaz2821]

@@mushokueien8148 i agree it’s not fun to die to CAS, but to say that dying to CAS happens often is an exaggeration. I die to CAS maybe once every 7 matches and when I do I can recognize what killed me and decide to either engage with an interception or AA, or noticing that it probably won’t be able to do it again, simply carry on in another regular tank. I would say dying to CAS is comparable to getting 1 shot sniped from across the map which happens the same amount if not more and is equally annoying.

[@cynthiahatterene6739]

Man, I wish I had your luck, I die to CAS at least once every single game, and often enough die 2-3 times to the same plane or planes in general. So for me it's always been a major issue especially when you also lose games because 10 people on your team sit in a plane while only 3 are in tanks, which also happens fairly often. There's really very rarely games where there's few to none planes in the sky. And saying to just spawn AA or a fighter to kill them is not always an option, AA can get easily killed by a plane if the plane actually knows what it's doing or there are more then 1 plane up in the sky, as no matter how skilled the AA player is, one AA can't deal with 3-5 planes attacking it at once, and same thing with fighters, first off, not every player wants to play planes in a tank match so you cant guarantee that every player always has a fighter aviable for the BR they play at, and then you have the same issue there as with the AA, if theres more then 2 planes in the sky the enemy just swarms you and kills you before you can even do anything, if your lucky you might shoot down 1-2 planes before going down but then there will almost Always still be a plane up or a new one spawning seconds after you die. CAS certainly has a place in the game, but as it stands it's just ridiculously overpowered and almost impossible to counter effectively unless the people playing the planes suck. And that's just the truth and people saying otherwise are the ones lying.

[@topaz2821]

@@cynthiahatterene6739 I think you are the exact opposite side of the spectrum. From what I’ve gathered from my friends and such, that is EXTREMELY unlucky and by no means the standard. You seem to be the exception.

[@cynthiahatterene6739]

@@topaz2821 either way, whether its the standard or exception, the fact remains that its absolutely awful to die to bombs over and over again especially when it happens multiple times in the same round, and yeah, thats how its been for me when i playes yesterday, pretty much every 2nd round or so i got bombed or strafed at least once and died to a plane. So for me cas has always been the biggest issue i had with the game and is something i really wish would be changed as it really ruins the game for me. As it sucks starting the round, driving to the frontline, arrive, get bombed, spawn again, drive forward again, only to die again and thats the game. Early game planes that spawn after not even 5 min into the game are also some of the worst because the game isnt even long enough for you to have enough spawn points to play further if you do get bombed and losing your first vehicle to an bomb 3-5 min into the game when you havent even been able to do anything yet just absolutely sucks, and at least to me that happens way to often

[@bangyahead1]

The fact is tanks will always be at a disadvantage when it comes to fights vs aircraft. That's just how it is. Anybody with the education, vision, size requirements etc. would much rather be a fighter pilot than a tank driver. In fact, I have an in-law who started out as a tank mechanic and kept applying for Warrant Officer Flight School until he was finally accepted - at Rank E3, Private First Class. He retired as a Cheif Warrant Officer 4 with more than 30,000 hours in the cockpit of Apaches. He would be the first to tell you that he would much rather be in the air than on the ground and in a tank.

[@kwilliams3161]

Cas is fine how it is maybe aa players need to get better at aiming and not shooting at a plane 3 miles out giving away position.

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

Deluded

[@kwilliams3161]

I guess I’ll stay deluded then I’m doing just fine in ground rb .

[@Mrpancake21]

Cap

[@unvaxxed313]

​@@thatonelocalauthority2809Gg ez cry more tanker

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

@@unvaxxed313 I bet i have a higher KD without needing CAS lmao. I think it’s you who needs to get good.

[@gormzola]

Something that i think is quite satisfying is when im playing a light tank with the ability to spot, spotting an enemy, and seeing friendly cas blow them to bits. Makes it feel like the team is helping eachother well, which in my experience is quite rare

[@Luffe123]

cas is fun to play

[@Average_Crack_Addict]

I'd say you will have more fun pissing on a toilet roll than playing cas for 50000000000000000 time

[@Luffe123]

pissing on toilet roll sounds funny@@Average_Crack_Addict

[@randomuser5443]

3:50 Instead of working with cas, make spaa super rewarding. I got 8 air kills and it was less rewarding than capping a point. Also free fighters. Planes are the best way to kill planes.

[@thegamemingk4933]

8:34 is that a personal attack or something?

[@lilhombrae3532]

Honestly I can’t get enough of flying a f14 at 30k ft and pretending I’m playing a gulf war simulator.

[@ImFoxxo]

I recently unlocked Ar 234 C-3, the german 7.3 jet bomber. While at this br you start to get a couple AAs with radar tracking, most of them are still just based on ability to calculate the lead you gotta put in your shots. Thus, when I play this bomber, I feel how unbalanced it is. It is rare that I get shot down at all unless I do a dumb mistake like flying straight towards and SPAA. On top of that, with three 500kg bombs, I can easily get 3 kills or more if the targets are grouped. I have had many games in which I was able to bomb enemies, make it safely back to the airfield and go for one or two more bombing run. Also needed to add that having a jet bomber in 7.3 means you can outrun almost all prop planes apart from a few. So yeah, CAS is the most OP between rank 4 and 5 in my opinion.

[@ninjalanternshark1508]

3:47 - This. CAS needs to require more spawn points. Its annoying when the enemy has CAS en route only 2 minutes after the match started, and its annoying when teammates jump in CAS early, die, and leave match.

[@MrJamesThe7th]

i find it pretty easy to just spawn a fighter plane/jet their gonna be focused on cas

[@bigno3991]

WOW NO WAY HOW HAS SOMEONE FIGURED THIS OUT 😮

[@flandarn329]

@@bigno3991 Once again shut up CAS retard

[@richieflareon3530]

I am glad you brought up these points, I HATE having to grind 2 tech trees to even stand a CHANCE at higher brs and then THE CONSTANT BOMBINGS (even at low teir) make me feel like I'm in VEITNAM in a tiny M22! Sorry for that I've had some pent up rage from the last couple games and wanted to see a video if they were doing something about CAS, and you really bring up some good points with the planes spawning at the air feild so there is time for some people who are on the move, or costing more spawn points so a little gremlin dosen't race to the enemie's spawn scout as many as they can and then J out can get a plane with 3 500KG bombs. Have an awesome day :)

[@Eurofish2010]

In my opinion, i think that there should only be 1 type of aircraft, strike aircraft, because they were specifically designed to help things on the ground and destroy things on the ground, like tanks.

[@savzarororororororora]

5:00 DISAGREE with this so much I have such a hard time seeing tanks while in the air. Once i actually see someone im way to close to see anyone

[@MatthewCarpenter-k7n]

Same I feel like a blind mole rat

[@mr.meepus97]

As a CAS player myself I do of course recognize how strong it is especially when it's as cheap as it is, I will however point out that there is a good few SPAA at rank 2-5 that are pretty well equipped to kill planes despite being open top, things like the M16, Bosvark, BTR-ZD, TPK 6.41, Wirbelwind, Kugelblitz, ZSU-37-2, and so on. I do personally agree with putting the SP cost of planes up but not them spawning on the airfield as that would also effect spawning planes to counter cas planes. I will also point out that the gamemode is ground realistic not tank realistic and planes do often have a part in ground combat.

[@IronMike5]

Going to paste what I commented under the "War Thunder is painful - and I'm a masochist" video regarding SPAA. On the topic of CAS and SPAAs, due to the many frustrations caused by CAS, I've learned a few tricks for using SPAA effectively. 1. Be vigilant. Even if you're waiting for a plane to draw closer to you, look around, make sure there aren't other planes in the air. The best way to counter SPAA in a plane is to find one that's distracted, shooting at another plane. 2. Patience. As Tymptra said, your effective gun range is pretty limited. So wait, until that plane draws pretty close. You don't have to wait as long if you have something bigger like a 40mm (like on the M42) and being patient with faster firing 20mm guns is very rewarding. 3. Use terrain/buildings. They may be in the sky, but you have the ability to change your direction at any given moment. Peak out from behind hills, walls, and buildings to fire at SPAA, and if they try to target you, duck back into cover. 4. Don't sit in spawn. Unless the match is almost over and leaving spawn will just get you killed, don't be afraid to play the SPAA as a support vehicle. It can be used to break barrels or tracks of things it can't penetrate (preferably a tank that's already fighting a teammate), and can rip up light vehicles. Not to mention, what use is an SPAA that sits in spawn when the real battle is happening around the capture points? None of these are guaranteed to turn you into a sky sweeper with 11 air target destroyed ribbons, but they'll hopefully be a big help to those of you who are very frustrated by CAS, and even more frustrated by how your SPAA isn't countering it.

[@anthonator8810]

something that might work: having some ai fighters over every ground battle, duking it out through the battle, or spawning as people start to spawn cas, and will try to provide anti cas play would work, as theres little incentive to spawn as a fighter to stop the enemy cas, due to their quiet often suicide runs that or maybe make suicide runs stupidly expensive, lock your crew for more then a few minutes, maybe a half hour for diving into the ground with a bomb fresh after spawning and/or making it so that you can only bring 1 plane per battle, this way you dont experience something ive had to fight on multiple occasions: kill someone, they come back in cas, kill them in cas, they come back 2 times more in cas, these times even more vindictive to kill you simply because they got a few kills in their first life, or some good assists in the planes

[@NormandyFoxtrot]

In the early days of ground there used to be AI including AAA. Part of the annoyance is there really isn't anywhere for bombers and strike aircraft right now. They are too strong for GRB but are basically just dead weight XP pinyatas with few exceptions in ARB.

[@neotastic5731]

As someone who plays CAS and AA and normal tanks it really depends on how good your AA is if you have good aa planes won’t be able to come close to the battlefield but if you lack aa or have bad aa planes basically can do whatever they want that’s why in top tier planes aren’t able to really fly near the battlefield without having to dodge 7 missiles and usually die before they reach it

[@Regasderheld]

They should increase the SP for their loudout based on efficiency of the plane and the loadout. Like small bombs small SP, big bombs big sp. Big clunky bomber small SP, small fighter with huge bombs big SP.

[@mrsplash7999]

As an anti cas player I’m sorry please forgive my brethren they know not what they do

[@Marcos-ms1ij]

The worst thing is how they portray CAS. You KILL the plane but it still shooting and use it's bombs. Heck, one time I turned a plane into dust but it still could throw it's bombs on me. Other time this also happened but with the pilot unconscious...

[@federicoandreoletti4476]

I play a lot of CAS in ground sim because I started the game mainly for sim aviation. There you spawn cold on the runway and in flight you have zero indication to identify friends or enemies tanks. Also a lot of players spawn first with AAA (at least 2), so maybe some pre-planning should help for now.