War Thunder is painful - and I’m a masochist

[@killstreak477]

Ngl the road map looks pretty good the permiem account is going to be the normal sl is going up the grind is not going to be that hard anymore but tbh I could just be fan boying because I have fun in the game

[@Tymptra]

I am pretty impressed with the roadmap too tbh.. lets hope they stick with it!

[@martinxd94]

also it is true that the premium vehicles have modifiers for sl and rp but theyre also worse than their normal variants

[@thehobbist5544]

When I saw the roadmap, there was this.. spark in me. A little flame lighting the insides of my dark, War Thunder crippled soul. "Could this be?" I wondered. "Is War Thunder.. becoming great?" And as I sat there a little tear formed under my eye. Yes. This is it. War Thunder is going to be fun.

[@radiofm4265]

@@martinxd94st of premium vehicles that have a tech tree counterpart are exactly the same with very few differences such as having like a operator country (Su25K is czech) or different camouflage or looks (German command tanks with antennas or named pilot aircraft or MOST top tier MBTs and AIRCRAFT). But some have slight advantages (directly or indirectly) that gets players to buy them (rocket m26, prinz eugen with more AA than admiral hipper, saab 105 OE, etc.)

[@DaPumaTank]

@@martinxd94 I’m pretty sure they are better

[@Averagespedkid]

watching this while flying to the fight in air realistic made this 10x funnier

[@matrixoonyt1791]

rel

[@moonyoff]

😂

[@wulfheort8021]

Videos in the background are a nice time-killer for realistic prop plane battles.

[@rohaninitiative6058]

I have completed so many joe Rogan podcasts, while playing air rb😂 lol.

[@Tasty_dustbin1]

Facts fr

[@XD_Flames-_-]

I honestly feel that naval is overhated just because everyone is used to the fast paced action of tanks and planes and when they go to naval and it’s slow, they automatically think it’s trash and boring.

[@kongou1912]

The Maps are also to small for the bigger ships and to big for the smaller ones at the same time.

[@kingtigertheheavy2708]

Ipad kid attention spans lol

[@jamesmoore4856]

@@kongou1912that sounds like a personal skill issue I have no problems with the maps but Im still confused how the torpedos work I fire em but they don’t hit lol 😅

[@kongou1912]

@@jamesmoore4856Personal Skill issue??? In what way did my comment impy something about my performance in those battles. To your question about torps, you cant guarantee them hitting. You are firing 80 knots max (I think) torps at around 3 to 15 km at moving targets at around 30 knots speed. You hit through volume and luck. Guns are the only reliable way for 2 surface ships to hurt each other. Just out of curiousity, which class of vessel are you playing?

[@oscarjackson3460]

Naval is super flaws at low tier as with coastal fleet boats fight 3.0 br and above with reserve vehicles,some nations air trres have no real anti ship warfare such as the soviets while others have super good naval warfare such as the us naval plane and bomber line,blue water fleet is shooting at each other from 6 ks away while you slowly chip away at each other,overall naval is extremely half baked and is poorly put together,it could be fun as a mix of slow paced game play with blue water and fast paced fun with coastal but it feels like nothing was thought out

[@the_dester1]

I can personally assure you this is a very accurate review. Ive got over 4000 hours at the game, and played since like 2016. And the grind has slowly become worse and worse every year. At this point i have stopped spending money on the game, and almost stopped playing it since i dont really progress anyways. Also i have not had a decent amount of SL in a long time because of the repair costs. Comparing this to the fact that i have been in the top 3 best squadron (group of competetive players) in the entire game, that says a thing or two about how bad it has become lately... -----Edit------: After the roadmap updates, the grind is easier. Its thankfully not as problematic anymore :) Playing for fun is now possible again🎉

[@Tymptra]

Its a shame really, I think this game could be even more of a powerhouse if they just made the grind reasonable. Grinding for stuff can be fun, especially if the game itself is fun (which War Thunder is), look at Destiny and Warframe, for example. I have completionist tendencies and would totally try and grind all the tank trees if it was reasonable to do that - but this game just doesn't respect your time.

[@the_dester1]

@@Tymptra Agreed. The game could be so much more than a money making machine. It used to have a deeper meaning. But that time is sadly long gone. Lets hope they finally fix it in the next update, after all the complaints

[@SavannahBanana]

Gonna just hop in and say (in good humor) that being in a top 3 competitive squad doesn't mean anything. Competitive matches are vastly different from the casual game. Comp matchmaking actually incentivizes teamwork to win since 2v2/4v4/6v6 is most common matchmaking, you have a team and have to communicate between them to effectively deal with the enemy. Meanwhile casual matchmaking are a random queue of up to 16v16, and your participation does not mean much in winning the battle or doing well since everyone is off doing their own thing with you all by yourself. Being good at one doesn't mean you are good at the other. One requires communication, the other requires total awareness. Anyways, enough of me crying skill issue, and about how comp players are just sniffing their own farts. I do agree that the grind has gotten awful, and Gaijin needs to do better. From what has been announced in the roadmap it's promising to see the changes that they are going to make to the economy and progression, but as a friend said, "Trust is something that gets broken in an instant and takes eons to rebuild." I'm cautiously optimistic about the future of War Thunder. Gaijin has been put in a tough spot by the community, and I'm sure Gaijin will want to revert these changes the community has forced them to make a year or so down the line if they believe they can get away with it.

[@the_dester1]

@icezinho_ Krill issue💅

[@spray916]

What squadron? THC doesn't count.

[@Kraus-]

SPAA is my favorite part of the game. It's a great way to single-handedly turn the outcome of a match. Just sucks that the rewards for taking down aircrafts is so low.

[@connivingkhajiit]

it should be significantly higher as it is one of the most beneficial things to do for the team while also requiring lots of skill to do

[@ideadlift20kg83]

I loooooove playing SPAA. I wish Gaijin would flesh out the U.S SPAA tree more. The U.S made a m24 chaffee with x6 .50 cals and Gaijin still hasn't added it lol.

[@finnm.2582]

My favorite SPAA is the Thor. It’s in fact the only ground vehicle I have in my chinese ground RB Deck. Nothing more fun than ruining the day of a pesky gunship which are way too strong. I would like to see a game mode with just tanks and no CAS.

[@mr.shotieface_man4995]

The secret is to like the game, not the grind, a person who likes the journey will walk further than someone who likes the destination

[@Eye5x5]

damn you should be a philosopher...

[@InoriVoid]

literally my philosophy as a f2p player, unfortunately some of that isn't possible because of the repair costs but its better than what it could be ig

[@Sk1nkTV]

Agreed. Also the grind is bad but its not as bad if you are willing to drop few $ on the game ($40 per year on premium account + $60 for jet + tank combo for GRB). I started playing in 2021 (700 hours so far) and I have almost full US air (just missing F-14B and 2nd F-16), almost full heli tree, ground tree is fully researched. Please mind that I only had XM-1 as a premium and the rest was grinded without premium vehicle. For Russia I am sitting at around 10.0 for jets and ground. China - full air tree (rushed with A-5C in 3 weeks) and 10.0 ground. Heli tree fully researched. Germany - around 8.0 - 9.0 So basically in around 700 hours I managed to research almost 3 biggest trees in the entire game and I can play flexible lineup at any BR. I am guessing that researching all War Thunder trees (without naval) will take me up to 2500 hours which is a lot but its not as bad, considering the amount of vehicles and content. The main thing is that I very much enjoy playing high tier BR and I dont even think about the grind.

[@flakcannonhans]

The journey that’s makes me have to dodge guided missles from a helicopter 5 kilometres away while in my ww2 tank. It’s hard to enjoy much.

[@thatonelocalauthority2809]

@@InoriVoidif you aren’t earning profit as a F2P it’s a skill issue

[@alvinkwok587]

The best way to nerf CAS without completely destroying it is have AI AAs in the map where AA zones can be captured. Which brings more variety in Ground Gameplay and make CAS more skillful

[@drouinfrank2]

I proprosed something almost identical in War Thunder Reddit.....it sit about 50/50 in karma

[@XenoPoopz]

I like the general idea of this, but they need to very carefully balance the aim of the AI if they do this. If you play the Helicopter PvE game mode you know how cancerous the AI spaa are.

[@Mr_Sakul]

There is no need for that, they should only increase sp points for bomb/rocket loads You would be able to spawn a cheap plane without bombs for air superiority but for cas it should be more expensive. Pretty much any other way will impact the game to greatly. Like making spaa more redundant resulting in less players spawning spaa to counter cas.

[@drouinfrank2]

@@Mr_Sakul Arcade battle exist and it is the more popular mode, in it, you cannot customise your plane loadout. Also, even planes with MG are a danger to open toped tanks and AA, so even without bomb CAS can be a pain. Just think of the american planes with their 50 Cal.

[@Mr_Sakul]

@@drouinfrank2 ground arcade works completely different from realistic battles. First of all you can spawn a plane almost any time, planes are easier to control in arcade, you can only fly for 60 seconds so it doesn't matter if you crash your plane or not, pretty much every enemy is visable in arcade mode, your plane is spawned way closer to the battlefield, you have unlimited ammo etc. There is no way to protect open top vehicles without making planes completely useless that is just the disadvantage of those vheicles that cannot avoided. Planes in arcade work completely different from planes in rb. Even if ab is more popular (there is no way to tell) most war thunder content on youtube is situated on rb so the problems that people are more likely to focus are the ones that are in rb.

[@DidNotFish]

I did not expect to find such a good video from a channel that doesn't upload regular war thunder content. "Bravo!"

[@Tymptra]

Thanks! I might make a few more videos on it too! Definitely a lot to cover with War Thunder, and 20 minutes can't do it justice.

[@jane-the-mentalist]

The best way to fix the game is to remove gaijin from the game

[@i_cri_evertim]

Just remove the game and the cancer will be cured.

[@jonathanarcoren5892]

Historically accurate? HISTORICALLY ACCURATE!??!

[@GangsterFemboy]

im a cas player and im fully aware there is basically nothing the enemies can do about it

[@brkenppt2222]

At least you are honest, still, i don't understand how people can have fun knowing they 100% ruin the fun of other player, it just seem selfish to me

[@megapet777]

what low tier swedish cas would you recommend? I tried bombers in ground rb and usually I didnt see anyone and when I did it was too late and I got shot

[@schuller623]

​@@brkenppt2222this is the point. To feel powerful and annihilate enemy troops. I remember how even earlier one or two good players with hvars and rps could entirely change the course of the match. You could get 1 kill per rocket without even aiming properly.

[@mafan-_-]

As someone with roughly 1200 hours in this game. You covered just about everything that any new player should be aware of. One thing to keep in mind is that there has been a good number of positive changes that have been implemented in the recent months, in response to review bombing by the community. Also air rb can definitely be boring when you’re getting no kills or not doing much game after game, but when you find your niche it can be just as fun as ground rb. Personally in all of my time playing, I alternate between the two since I get bored of one and go to the other. It keeps things refreshing

[@imnotmlg4397]

One thing about the CAS segment, you do not need to get a kill to be able to afford a aircraft, in some vehicles you can kill a single crew and get enough for a plane with however many bombs.

[@trevoranderson6238]

Yeah, if Gaijin just raised SP costs for CAS, roughly 75%. That would make CAS more a reward instead of a tool to get easy kills.

[@darkdamen1296]

@@trevoranderson6238you guys are just mad bc you guys can’t get out of rank 3 maybe stop being ass and you can get to top tier lil bro

[@VenomVsTRex]

To any new-comers: I have over 1100 hours in this game; listen to this guy when he says the grind is nuts and the monetization is extreme.

[@budthechud8913]

"air Rb is Boring" I was like you once, I played almost nothing but ground for like 500 hours, played air once then quit cuz I died a bunch without kills, but Air RB is like crack, once you find that one plane that activates your almonds for the first time you get hooked, for me it was the Yak-3. Now its been about a year since I looked at a ground line up

[@AHappyCub]

Ong bro, highest I've got on Air RB is 6 kills using a low tier Swedish planes, not to mention the golden age of A6M6c, literally nothing at 4.7 can survive against it

[@coltonbell1513]

Same bro, I found out that I can seal club kids with the P-61 and I have always mained air RB

[@jetzocchi]

me too i main n1k1-ja

[@one-nu2dh]

For me,the plane that i love is the premium fw with torpedoes,his cannons just shred people and i can destroy at least two planes without landing at the airport (i have shit aim) Edit: now i am using the prem yak-1 in the german TT

[@mariofan1ish]

The one that "activates my almonds" is the ki-44 Shoki. 4 12.5mm machine guns, a dedicated air target belt, great speed, great turning, solid climb, and all of it on top of a tiny body. Just beautiful!

[@operatornaut8534]

The urban maps personally are not bad at all. Its the long range maps where you can see into anothers spawn just by driving a mile or two from yours.

[@brightman232]

if you're a masochist (like me as well) you would love air RB for the fact that it punishes you for just playing. Because unlike ground RB, imo it has more knowledge ceiling, knowing every plane's characteristics, combat maneuvers, guiding your shots. Though i kind of agree for the ooga booga climbing part, it's kind of irritating sometime to spawn and wait 2-3 minutes to sideclimb, and wait another 3-4 minutes to get to an engagement.

[@TheCostantinus]

And then dive towards a group of enemies and allies thinking "aight I'm gonna give them a hand", only to be completely annihialated by four enemy aircrafts all locked on your tail while your allies are either dead or flown away.

[@Marius2Rocker]

@@TheCostantinus Yup. Air RB is the only game mode which punishes you for taking shitty fights, and that why we love it!

[@LazySillyDog]

I can't even play AB air bc I lose track of the aiming reticle with my shitty eyes. I really wanted to get good at it, but I just physically can't and changing the reticle type didn't help

[@ligmasack9038]

@@LazySillyDog change the color then

[@ihatehandleupdate]

I was playing AB battles for these exact reasons but after Rank II the grind has gotten so bad it would literally take days of playing to unlock Rank III vehicles. It might just be a skill issue but I can only get about 1.5 RP on intense battles

[@ace_ofchaos9292]

As some who plays naval regularly, it’s definitely fun if you know how to play it. Biggest problem in naval ironically is CAS being completely useless. CAS needs a price increase in ground RB, but in naval it needs a decrease for certain planes. With gaijin adding in boats with AA missile on them you’ll spend 400+ points only to get shot down in air spawn. Thats on top of most high tier ships having good AA coverage as it is.

[@sammycool4049]

Hey, I'm one of the people with no life and a limitless bank account, so I've actually unlocked and played top tier tanks, planes, and most importantly, SPAA. So, speaking from my experience, I can tell you that top tier CAS, like mid tier CAS, is horribly broken in favor of planes. However, unlike mid tier CAS, top tier CAS is also horribly broken in favor of guided missile SPAA. Whenever I spawn in as a plane, or when I'm in my 11.7 SPAA and I see someone else spawn in, that plane (helicopters have it even worse) gets destroyed within 20 seconds, because the missiles fired by top tier SPAA cannot be broken with countermeasures, intercepted, and are incredibly difficult to dodge, impossible for helicopters. So, in practice, if the enemy team has 1 or more guided missile SPAAs in top tier, you'll probably die before you even reach the battlefield, but if not, then you'll get like 4 kills. In short, top tier SPAA and CAS isn't really fun for anybody, whether you're on the ground or in the sky.

[@Tymptra]

Good to know! Been hearing this a lot! And thanks for actually listening and understanding I was only talking about kid tier CAS. A lot of idiots commenting who can't listen lol.

[@skittlescopes4832]

May I please have an A-10A (early)? It is my dream plane

[@nigglewill1385]

@@skittlescopes4832 start grinding for the late version lil bro and stop begging

[@handlemonium]

Lol I was there at Patch 1.35 in 2013 before "Convertible RP" (aka CRaP), the login roulette, the no joke free-to-earn-premiums events, and the exponential grind existed. Thanks this the righteous confirmation of rational I needed and still need to not play.

[@TheZEROfighterX]

A Canadian who doesn't broke in half spaghetit? Aweso... wait why isn't it ready and why the hell are you putting chicken in it?

[@Tymptra]

1. It was ready 2. I was making a lazy meal

[@chomaaa]

You made such a good video for newbies. I had problems with playing with my friends because they just started out and they're pretty bad, and this video certanly helped them out. You made my life easier!

[@Tymptra]

I'm super happy to hear that :)

[@Thetruesuitguy]

"Let me show you what the Avg battle for Air RB looks like" : gets RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

[@TimurTANKER]

I found you bc of this video and I already love your video stile and the small funny things. The videos are very balanced with fun,documentary and knowledge. Keep the good work and never stop!

[@staticaleel5068]

“Starts with vehicles from the ww1 era” correction, it’s interwar period and early ww2, though I wish they included those

[@RagerBoy-cc4xq]

I can tell you that everything you said is true I myself have grinded through 4 tech trees and it's ridiculous on how long it takes to a point I've spent 300$ on this game so seeing the new roadmap for the game makes me have hope knowing the MAYBE I can grind something else without have to buy another premium tank/plane

[@basgielen8849]

A simple change that I would love to happen is, to get air rb and ground rb mixed in 1. That would make that a team in order to win easier after they earn air superiority, I think it would at least make it a little bit more fair.

[@Josh-jw3go]

And it you don't okay for a long time when you come back your first 5 or 10 games will be against players that are way worse than you so you get lots of kills amd you sorbd the next 6 months trying to relive that high

[@LoganRonin-vn2we]

War Thunder or like it's fondly called "Wart Hunter" or "Secret Military Documents Leaker Simulator". P.S: Don't go around telling people of my Dicker Max.

[@Tymptra]

Your secret is safe with me friend ;)

[@LoganRonin-vn2we]

@@Tymptra You're a friend, friend.

[@sn0lder]

just give SPAA a major RP bonus for each plane kill

[@dovak1991]

Yeah, the su25 may be boring once you get to the top tier air rb f-14 f--16 mig-29 mig-23mld flying into the furball avoiding missiles flaring notching using all the skill you learned from day one, pushing the limits of your plane where there's no room for one single mistake, there's no place to hide its kill or be killed you can't outrun a missile, you are forced to merge with the enemy and fight them it's a lot more fun than driving forwards to a spot and then point and click

[@pbluma]

Sim takes more skill than arcade battles anyway, air rb suck.

[@samphardtake]

I have 4000 hours in this game and i have entire USSR tech tree both aviation and ground aswell as some progress in other nations. This game is pain in the ass when it comes to unlocking and buying new vehicles,only to be dissapointed later. In your WW2 vehicles you will face tanks from 20 years built later which have HEATFS rounds so your armor doesnt even matter. Everything to mixed up,non competitive players get access to top tier vehicles for 60$ and ruin the experience for everyone trying to actually win and gain progress. Matches are unbalanced,maps are unbalanced,SL gain is pain,prices are too high for vehicles,repair cost is used as a " balancing" thing. (If the vehicle is too expensive to repair - players wont play it) etc.. I like the game for its originality but its sad to see what state it has reached. Wanting to play ground battles only to get killed by a Plane,Drone or Helicopter from kilometers away. I left the game,as i believe many did,and are hopefully waiting for the better days to come. We will see what Roadmap update brings upon us and if it is gonna,for once,make community satisfied.

[@roeihei1]

god danm, u sum up the game well and in an easy-to-understand way. nice, fun vid

[@Tymptra]

Thanks! Glad you liked it :D

[@jollydino2416]

Something I'll point out here that my friend mentioned: naval can actually be a good way to grind out Silver Lions, because each ship can be used multiple times, and some can get some *really* good modifiers for lions earned. Might not be for you as far as a constant gamemode goes, but definitely worth it as a daily task for some extra lions if you turn auto-repair off! Also having finished the video - I enjoy the game, but I'mma probably stick to the lower tiers cus I ain't in the mood to deal with CAS if it gets *that* bad. Plus, I'm just playing Italy cus like any good Florida Man, I saw a big gun slapped onto a truck and liked it.

[@ZORGIN]

Best explanation of my issues with war thunder in one video. Especially the issue of maps and CAS. The maps are just absolutely abysmal sometimes

[@philsuz9649]

great video know how you feel some real stupid things can happen in the game i love it because i play it for free but it still drives me nuts

[@MurderousPenguin]

I personally stay at 8.3 or around that spot in arcade tanks Over my 7 years of playing warthunder, i've switched over to the side of playing for the sake of fun. It allows me to take out a good tank like the t55-am1 and play for the sake of playing without having the worry of progression. progression is almost like a secondary bonus to me at this point

[@kaisaplews1407]

Fucking turms-3 fucking df105 and bmp-1 these 3 fucking annoying indestructible unkillable bastards and shitheads don’t let me enjoy 8.3 on finest magach’s,these trinity are my headache,and pain for the beautiful M111 round

[@Clb9000]

same. though now for me its 9.3 germany

[@hdjono3351]

Me at 5.3 USA

[@tankenjoyer9175]

yeah what i do i just grind all nations to rank III and IV and just stick with it. i make a great set of tanks.

[@jasonnguyen1840]

I only play arcade now. I got over 1000hrs into gRB before giving up entirely. At 5.7 onwards CAS just dunk you. It's dumb and unfun to play. Ground AB at 7.3, how ever, is fun. And fun is where you should place your priority with this stupid ass game.

[@norliasmith]

Did you know that oven doors have these little retention latches where the hinges go into the body of the oven? You can lift up and pull back the latches, using a screw driver to help loosen them if they're stuck down, then close the door most of the way while also lifting it up to pull the door out for easier oven cleaning. To put the door back it's easy, just get the hinges back into their slots in the oven body and push the retention latches forwards and down to secure them back into place.

[@blomgaming6480]

The problem with CAS can be midly fixed by just making you NOT PAY SL for the CAS death

[@everettefuquaiv6486]

My dad gave me a premium account for my birthday because we play war thunder together and I love when I get that boost in silver lions but it also feels like a permanent 500% booster on my back. that or I have a massive skill issue.

[@Tellu007]

10:04 an ad started just as the bomb exploded so i saw just 1 frame of the explosion

[@Russisn_serf]

Man you must have a fast plane if you got there that fast Edit: i heard that if you machine gun a track in sim and no damage cam shows up it is an ally

[@navyeod_24]

A perfect time capsule to see how far Gaijin has come in just a few months. I've been playing for years and have around 1.3k hours. The grind is SO much better, and having Gaijin listen to us is a dream come true. Here's to hoping that in another 3 month's time that we'll have even more user friendly updates!

[@ampa-3612]

"Imagine if you need to use in-game currency to respawn" May I introduce you to the Assault gamemode, where you do exactly that.

[@Lord_sir_majesty_doofus]

I have a ungodly level of respect for those people who are dedicated anti air players

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Should I get the game or should this be my last chance to turn back? I kinda want to be a dedicated AA player who also plays cool tanks like the T-34 and be the likable player

[@milserpentine]

@@therealspeedwagon1451get the game its free and the lowest tiers are the most fun so why not try it

[@Lord_sir_majesty_doofus]

Depends really if your going down the path of russian tanks then be warned for a few things: 1. There will be lots of people that say that russian tanks are bad just ignore them and respect their opinion because it is a opinion not a fact, 2. Often the russian tanks you hear about being great and amazing do have the seem reputation in game to an extent , you will have to do some research on opposing enemy vehicles i.e learning weak spots , 3. Don't be mad if your shot doesn't penetrate gajin will always find an excuse or you just need to learn more about the enemy your facing. Last and positivaly not least playing a dedicated aa in the russian tank family (tech tree) is hard and that applies to all aa's. You don't have a lot of penetration against tanks and aiming against planes can be dificult. Play aircade mode for the majority of your experince and always check out tutorials if your struggling with certains tanks.

[@lewissmart7915]

I never buy premium, I don't worry about the grind. I just have fun. So what if the grind will never end.. think of it as an opportunity to challenge your completionism.

[@bt-5sovietlighttank416]

I'll be honest, I think having aircraft in the game for ground RB is necessary and super important because it is the most reliable method of preventing camping. The problem is revenge bombing and aircraft who have no idea how to use their ordanance to obtain objectives and help their team. I think the best solution is limiting aircraft to 3 per team at any given point. A team saturated with planes will lose and having a limit will help prevent revenge bombing since if there are already 3 planes then they cant physically spawn in.

[@sneakycactus8815]

thank you for talking about the CAS problem. it doesn't get shat on enough

[@banaantjexx164]

My biggest gripe with the game was and still is the progression. Back when I quit the game completely in favor of DCS (for more reasons than just the progression) I did an experiment a bit before I quit the game; Grinding to top tier France in the fastest amount of time possible by buying the BR 8.7 premium AMX-30 and spending every single minute of the day grinding towards that goal of reaching the Leclerc, to see how much time it would take me compared to the ground vehicle trees (Germany, Russia, America) I started grinding back in 2015 and 2016. Of course this wasn't just me playing a tank the whole, as I had already reached top tier in the aviation tree so I always made sure I had a CAS option in case I did end up dying once and needed to regain either a stock of spawn points or shift the course of the match. The whole thing ended up with me taking about 3 to 4 months... 3-4 months of playing nonstop Ground RB matches with a premium vehicle, with a premium account, for about 5 to 6 hours (sometimes even 8) every single day. The average kills per life was around 5 or 6 (because the latter 2 months got me really geared into how I should play the tank) and the win-rate was about 65% to 70%. This is ridiculous. Not to mention that my win-rate was far above average, as losing a match practically halves your RP gain at the end of it never mind your SL gain. On top of this you also need to research vehicle modifications for the non-premium vehicles to increase their abysmal value, stock vehicles are practically unusable in top tier. How do newcomers even have the motivation to keep playing this game, without at least buying a premium subscription?! The monetization, even for a F2P game, is downright predatory...

[@aplenp]

skill issue

[@DaYemenball]

For doubters, when he took off and set his course, then made a meal and read a book, that is legit. I have actually whatched 3 or so episodes of some random show and I still don’t get to dogfight. It is kinda sad. That’s why in realistic air, I play jets.

[@GG_Man123]

0:02 same... same

[@sn0lder]

heli sniping is the most unfun shit ever, it's so frustrating

[@garrettknox5266]

I'm with you: CAS is ridiculously OP. The other day was a new record for me. I got bombed at the 3:33 minute mark. The previous record was 4:01 by a PE8 that took out 6 of us. If you pull up stats post game you notice how rare a 3:1 kill ratio is for tankers. Much less rare for the plane guys. The guy in the PE8 had a lackluster stat card except for the PE8 with 415 deaths, 1495 ground kills and 60 air kills. Its easy to see why plane guys like Ground RB more than Air RB. Most players are tank guys or plane guys. Competent plane guys have better ratios in general than competent tank players. Then there are the folks who are truly amazing with all 2:1, 3:1 ratios in tanks (or more) and 3:1, 4:1 ratios in planes (Gods among us). Players that can do both are really rare but the edge is still planes.

[@ashrodrigues3571]

yeah i'd say that lower tiers suffer from that but if u don't want to have planes pissing you off grind ussr no cas is spawnable bc of the pantsir system

[@Vali7757]

@@ashrodrigues3571 I hate the Pantsir, it enables the russian team to have full air superiority whilst everyone else gets missile spammed by Ka50s and SU25Ks

[@brahthunder]

@vali7757 you are right

[@EpicFace83]

Not to make this a competition, but Ive witnessed someone beat you by over minute. Team mate got three people with the Russian rocket truck right off the bat with across the map rocket barrage. Instantly respawned in a pe8. He killed TEN of them with the bomb. He had 13 kills in 2:20-2:25. Craziest shit I've ever seen. Game was decided instantly.

[@Uzyvan6]

To be honest kd ratio wouldn’t really matter in low tier when everything cost only a thousand sl or less but the higher you go the more important it is

[@thepanzerofthelake1086]

Just a tip for new players who want to play war thunder and dont know where to start nationwise, if you dont have a specific vehicle that you want, it is a good idea to avoid minor nations at first, because when playing major nations with big tech trees, matchmaker becomes predictable, so you can learn where to shoot only a couple of vehicles that you almost always face in regard of tank battles. For example when i started my grind i chose the USSR and most of the enemies i faced were either sherman variations and panzer 3 and 4s, and now when every nation has variations of those tanks, knowing how to kill the most used vehicles will land you plenty of kills. After you've reached rank 5 or 6 in your main tree you can start grinding a minor nation. Coming from the mouth of a player with 5k+ hours in war thunder, minor nations are easier to grind, thus having less vehicles, but very often from my experience, most of them (actually all except sweden and japan) get screwed over by the matchmaker and suffer in constant uptiers (and uptier is a game you've been put in, that does not match the battle rating of your selected vehicle and is higher instead, so you end up fighting enemy vehicles up to 1 whole battle rating higher that your vehicle. Note that the battle rating of matches you are put in is determined by the vehicle with the highest battle rating in your lineup, so you cannot have a lets say a 2.7 vehicle and a 6.7 vehicle in the same lineup, you cannot expect to face 2.7 rated vehicles, instead you are going to face vehicles in the range of 5.7 and 7.7, based on weather you get and uptier or an equal match. The initial spawn cost for spawning a vehicle in ground RB shows weather you are in an uptier or not, and what is the battle rating of the match as a whole, a youtuber named McKong explains this system in details, you should search him up) Also by playing a lot, you can find your playstyle and then pick the nations you want to grind with that in mind. Again ill give myself as an example. I started with the USSR and when i got to rank 4, where i unlocked the IS-2 tanks, my playstyle was formed around the powerful cannon and great mobility (also i loved urban maps, because they work really well with long reloads, since you have a lot of buildings to buy you time when somebody is chasing you and you are damaged/reloading) and i had no problems playing around the ok mobility and armor and long reloads. When i started grinding sweden or the US i quickly found out that those nations just were not fot me, because shermans dont really have great firepower or armor, and the light tanks in those tech trees didnt seem to have the firepower i needed to cope with enemies i met on a flank, so i quickly switched over to other trees where i had a better time with vehicles that matched my playstyle.

[@SmD-ff5xd]

Actual tip; don't play this game.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

Naval is the most fun in coastal and low tier, where you don't have to wait 30s to reload, change your rudder or start accelerating

[@thedoritomlg]

14:05 don't even need to drive to the point. 2 of my buddies and I spawned in at the start and less then 5 seconds in someone used the new Russian rocket truck to cross map us. 1 kill just inside the start of the match got him a pe8 which got him another 7 kills

[@jonascarva8032]

as a player with 10000+ hours on this game (i started playing 2016), i must say, yes the grind is real and slow, but even thru frustration and bad moments with the game, i must say, i am happy with it and it is propably my favorite game right now

[@Tymptra]

Whatever problems it may have, enjoyment is the most important thing

[@jimbeam1901]

The cost of vehicles at higher tiers is a big turn off, but I have no intention of going above br 5

[@JMonkey7575]

Don’t forget that the maps and the game itself incentivize toxic and annoying strategies that piss people off, the three main trees either have op or annoying players (most, but not all of the time) and the game is coded against you to make you want to pay, premium gets you better lobbies, someone tested it.

[@DarkSpyro707]

idk man. when i have premium i feel like im gotta slapped left and right and earn very little because of it. but then when i dont have premium im terrorizing the enemy only to see i earn jack because i dont have premium lol.

[@Soobutoomuch]

Honestly playing arcade after your used to realistic arcade becomes impossible 😂

[@elmerwhitaker7852]

Honestly as a AA PLAYER, you really really underplay AA, they can kill most tanks... Think of the R3, Whrilblewind, so on so forth. You just need to know when to attack and where to hit.

[@timobrenn]

not to mention, even if you might not shoot down a plane you will still make its life hell. getting a good bomb drop is exponentially more difficult when you're not able to fly straight

[@lexilittlecooc6700]

Yoooo! @Tymptra when you slid down the hill in the intro THAT WAS ME😂 GOOD TIME BRO

[@Tymptra]

LMAO I was so confused where you were. Heard your engine noise for a while and took me a moment to realize you were down there. Didn't realize you couldn't come back up so I got stuck too after I killed you lol.

[@cfournell]

I don’t play Air Rb since with props it takes so long

[@ReepsWasteOfTime]

It took me a month but I finally finished the video. You are completely right about everything and the video was well made nice job

[@eorfdengineer]

Sadly one of the biggest problems that never get spoken of is the br system itself. I am having a extremely hard time even getting a single kill do you know how many players at br 1.0 were under lvl 25? 4, 4 Players including me out of 32. And its not that im just bad when there were players "only" 10-5 Levels above me I was top3 consitently. It is just impossible for new players to have fun when there are 4 lvl 100 players in the enemy team.

[@kilism]

He really tried to sneak in the warthunder stuff. amazing cooking btw

[@Pixel-4sw]

Bro, I legitimately fell all of the feelings you describe. From fear after getting disabled to over-the-moon joy when i get 3kills and no death after a string of bad matches.

[@jamesharvy6552]

I think a good idea would be to combine RB Ground and Air into one mode, you get one free aircraft/heli(low payload options with spotting capabilities) and one free ground vehicle per match. Points are gained by completing objectives or killing opponents. There are air objectives like securing zones or eliminating ground bases as well as ground objectives like we have now. If you want to spawn in a second vehicle with a better the payload, the points required to spawn in that vehicle increases. Make crash landing extremely expensive or crew lock to punish revenge bombers.

[@jacobcheung4115]

“Arcade, realistic and simulator battles based on how much mental damage you’d like to acquire” 😂😂

[@kyriakoshourtsidis1161]

me too man im a britain main and i have to come to terms with my addiction to pain

[@milserpentine]

The problem with cas is that few people will spawn in aa early on to counter it. The first plane to spawn has a couple free kills until someone gets pissed off and respawns in aa. They need to increase the rewards for players sitting in and getting kills with aa. They could also add more AI aa around the map to force planes to better plan an attack run to not be shot down. As for air RB the time spent climbing and flying to battle is meant to allow for more individual strategic planning tailored to that players aircraft. Most aircraft are not close in dogfighters that are meant to take on enemies at the same altitude and outturn them.

[@damiencrossley7497]

EVERYONE ELSE ON THE GAME: GRINDS IN PAIN Me: Grinds tier 1, STAYS THERE HAPPY

[@CptTexas1]

As SPAA you also have to deal with salty CAS that ram into your open top/light vehicle after you disabled them

[@jacobluna2932]

I had a war thunder PSN account for a long time I never checked how many hours but I remember getting to rank 2 air craft and just reached the start of rank 3 ground Eventually I lost access to my console so I restarted on PC on a fresh account around half a year ago and I'm pretty sure the grind has gotten worse by around 3 times imo and now I'm only just reaching the end of rank 2 ground without even touching aircrafts btw this was all on the us tech tree which I time and time again hear is the same experience as getting your teeth kicked in lmao

[@cfournell]

Personally I like Spaa I find it fun but I can understand why people don’t like it

[@FunkyEspelhoCat]

90% of people who prefer air AB to air RB is because they suck at basic flying and lack skills like flying with the keyboard, which is clearly your case lol. Very common disability among tank players

[@niksonrex88]

Yeah you can see it all the time when you end up in dogfights in GRB with tank players. They really fucking suck at flying.

[@wadesafreno765]

I would say for high BR ground RB the air and ground are somewhat balanced because helicopters are an easy target for guided missiles from radar AA tanks as well as some have tracking so you can lock onto a plane and track using ballistics calculator and easily kill any aircraft. (at least with my experience)

[@Byron-p7t]

She had that tint of craziness in her soul that made her believe she could actually make a difference.

[@Matt-rd5oy]

19:10 It just always gets me how world of warship's grind is way faster than this. Although considered slow by us fellow players, compared to WOW, war thunder's grind time is just huge. By the way I'd like to give a little tip from what I could experience regarding grinding and silver lions farming Low tier AIR simulator battle rewards (from tier 1.3, to 4+) allows you to farm a decent amount of money and experience, with simple tasks like bombing or just being airborn (they call it useful action reward i think, correct me if I'm wrong). Choose simple targets like a pack of AI tanks, bomb, get back to base. The simple act of landing also gives you Silver lions and experience. Don't forget to shoot down AI bombers or real players, it's good money rewarded here. Also, if you bring higher tiers in Sim battle, use also lower tiers since these have lower spawn prices (or spawn taxes as I love to call it). That's for the earning part. I do understand that some of us War thunder players ain't here for Simulator though, but it has been quite effective to gain money sometimes. But yeah, the grind is super long It's not much but getting 18k to 30k silver lions after such battles is pretty cool in my opinion

[@thatoneblueguy]

i played naval for like a day or two it was fun i could say but it felt very grindy, it was a decent mode considering yoh can bring your planes in, one thing i can say is fun is getting a torpedo bombers with your friends and destroying the enemy team over all 6/10 could be way better

[@Johnnyboy633]

Gaijin: hey this guy has some good ideas. Also gaijin: hurry silence him.

[@Schnatter_]

a warthunder addiction is worse then any other, the snail takes not only your time and money, but your soul, good luck.

[@ShatteredArchive5447]

The way I described it to my friends new to the game was that’s it’s “Air realistic battles featuring special guest tanks”

[@lil_sluggur8383]

you sound allot like MarcoYolo (a FH KZbinr) i'm here for it

[@Scotty_C15]

CAS is a difficult problem to solve at higher tiers with missiles and tracking systems. It's so much easier for CAS to kill ground and SPAA to kill CAS. Not really sure how to balance it cause the more ordinance you take on aircraft actually makes it more expensive to use them. The SU-25K can get really expensive to spawn depending on what weapons you have attached. The low tier is absolutely a blast though and I have found a good high tier with 10.0 US being quite fun for me.

[@Ajarpopcorn2304]

Describing air arcade as a clusterfuck of dogfighting is unreasonably accurate

[@MarkantionoThunder]

Umm actually, there are no tanks from the WW1 era, only the interwar era to the modern era 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓.

[@DaYemenball]

Only play the game if you are fine with rank 1 and rank 2. Those are pretty fun. Only grind vehicles up until battle rating 6.0. That is the max fun you can have. Do not expect much ch progression in the first week to month. You might get about 3 new tanks in that time like me. I only started playing so I could play the T-26 Pershing and 4 years later, I’m 7,000 reasearch points away. It will take another 2 more days. Remember, grinding does not make progression. Having fun moments in a BT-7 does.

[@stevenkirton6373]

War thunder is a good game if you focus on having fun in the matches instead of staring at a tech tree

[@devildogu1284]

I love the conpalining against realistic fetures on a mode named realistic

[@a_catfish5180]

Why I like air realistic is because when I kill 3 enemy jets early thanks to a surprise attack from a valley it significantly improves our chances of winning. Every kill has a lot of importance since there are no respawns

[@flynntaggart8549]

"this system adds so much naunce and counterpla-" shoot the barrel. you just shoot the barrel.

[@rabidrabbit6863]

idk how long it took me to realize "hey your first two tanks got blown out the water, lets just head back to the hanger instead of paying to repair 3 more"

[@IronMike5]

On the topic of CAS and SPAAs, due to the many frustrations caused by CAS, I've learned a few tricks for using SPAA effectively. 1. Be vigilant. Even if you're waiting for a plane to draw closer to you, look around, make sure there aren't other planes in the air. The best way to counter SPAA in a plane is to find one that's distracted, shooting at another plane. 2. Patience. As Tymptra said, your effective gun range is pretty limited. So wait, until that plane draws pretty close. You don't have to wait as long if you have something bigger like a 40mm (like on the M42) and being patient with faster firing 20mm guns is very rewarding. 3. Use terrain/buildings. They may be in the sky, but you have the ability to change your direction at any given moment. Peak out from behind hills, walls, and buildings to fire at SPAA, and if they try to target you, duck back into cover. None of these are guaranteed to turn you into a sky sweeper with 11 air target destroyed ribbons, but they'll hopefully be a big help to those of you who are very frustrated by CAS, and even more frustrated by how your SPAA isn't countering it.

[@IronMike5]

Shit, one more tip. 4. Don't sit in spawn. Unless the match is almost over and leaving spawn will just get you killed, don't be afraid to play the SPAA as a support vehicle. It can be used to break barrels or tracks of things it can't penetrate (preferably a tank that's already fighting a teammate), and can rip up light vehicles. Not to mention, what use is an SPAA that sits in spawn when the real battle is happening around the capture points? I've personally used the M19A1 and M42 very successfully in this role. I have yet to unlock the M163 at 7.7, so for my 6.7 lineup, the M42 is my SPAA and even at this BR, I'm still seeing success with it, both against tanks and aircraft.

[@IAmBadAtWarThunder321]

there has to be a 1:1 simulation mode for the game where you can spawn any vehicle - excluded fictional - and do a 1:1 replica of a war (kinda, you can change the plot of the war)

[@neverblight]

Honestly you put outh a really great point about the CAS issue but personally from what ive experienced I think it makes it feel more real. In war like this whoever controls the air gets an advantage in battle and typically whenever I spend the rest of my SP after fighting tanks camping on a hill one shot sniping my tank out of nowhere for a bomber.. It most of the time just gets instantly clapped by some enemy fighter plane. I see where you're coming from and everybody will have different opinions, I just think it's part of the game and perhaps you're right, it could be balanced more and I somewhat agree. I mean if there are no enemy fighters over the field watching for me I literally just turn my brain off and drop a bomb on an objective and get a kill on a tank i didnt even notice.

[@Heinzold]

I started playing a while ago. Coming from world of tanks I gotta say most maps are hella good and 10000 more fun than anything in wot. Sadly cas is mad bullshit. I wanna drive tanks. No I don't want to grind another techtree spending hours in a mode that I don't even enjoy so I can incorporate the plane flying that I don't enjoy into my tank battles. No I don't want to play some aa tank shooting at planes, I wanna fight tanks in my tanks which is why I entered a tank battle and not an air battle. Anyways I quit the game after getting Panther and Tiger and realizing how bad the grind was getting and also because everytime I felt that I actually did well for once I got bombed with 0 counterplay possible.

[@deafsquid6978]

A major issue with sim is that every nation has at least 1 vehicle borrowed from another nation, since every nation has a sherman, and a fair few have panzers and t34s you have to look very carefully just to make sure that that enemy you see is in fact an enemy.

[@alexramsamy9063]

Do not stop, the snail is hungry for more

[@illinoisvisuals]

Congrats, single most hilarious thumbnail ive seen all year ☠️☠️☠️

[@nighthawk4502]

This game’s so popular, someone will leak classified documents to win an argument with a 12 year old in it.

[@thegreenbolt2819]

This a really good and accurate review, as a player with over 6000-7000 hours, I pretty much agreed with nearly all that you said. The only thing I only disagreed with was one of your ideas on how to make Air RB better. Giving an airspawn to all planes is not a good idea imo, as we have seen this situation with many maps such as the old City map. Attackers and Bombers are essentially screwed when all fighters (especially ones with good climb rate and have a ton of cannons/high caliber machine guns). One of the things that makes Air RB special is the fact it takes awhile to get to altitude and set up, as this allows for potential skillful plays to be made. Not to mention that planes that already have airspawns such as interceptors/heavy fighters with poor climb rates would become obsolete if all planes got airspawns. Like at that point why would you play a Fw 190 A8/F8 when a Bf 109 G6 or G14 could do it better if they all get airspawns, or how about why play a Hornet when instead you could use a Spitfire LF mk 9 or Griffon spitfire if they all get airspawns as well. In all honestly, I hope gaijin would add Air RB EC mode as this would be fix a lot of problems that currently plague Air RB. Yes tank rb is more fun due to the action happening much sooner, though the slower pace of Air RB is what makes Air RB fun sometimes as those who have patience and know what's the best playstyle/maneuvers are the ones who will usually win. Also that the dogfights that can happen, especially 1v1s are also what make Air RB really fun and really tense.