How Australia cheated East Timor of its oil

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[@sam-qt7cy]

Please make some more australia videos bro. Also keep up the good 💪

[@ETALAL]

Thanks and yes make more about Australia and New Zealand. As for this part of the world, it is some of the most inhospitable you can find.. Chevron and Bechtel run the place like a pirate state. The Howard government gave all that gas to China decades ago. President Obama's mother and father were deep in the oil biz with Suharto.

[@ETALAL]

@@earthalien2584 Beazley and the Choppers that were not helicopter gunships, Now that's a priceless piece of footage, Where is he now? Pine gap Locked Martin 🤫

[@Bizarro_na_chapa]

Wonder to head you up regarding Latin America. Most countries are under international communist control now. Despite people support on current president, next year will be general election in Brazil; deep state and supreme court are forcing a coup through non auditable electronic voting system… in the meantime narcos, NGOs, globalists and china are aware of loosing power… there is a chance of civil unrest and maybe the need of militaries to get back country’s control…. We are moving closely to US. Your feedback is much appreciated. Good job

[@gregorywiryayuwana4138]

10:29 As an Indonesian, I should clarify the fall of Suharto (the New Order) occurred in 1998 not 1989.

[@vexed5567]

As an Australian I still can’t believe how we prosecute the guy that exposes this and then compliment ourselves on how free and open of a democracy we are

[@koboldprime2257]

Bill of rights 404

[@cubiusblockus3973]

We live in the illusion of freedom and democracy. good to see you are finally waking up... too bad most never will.

[@jaijishnu527]

same goes with Britain in 17th century

[@jaijishnu527]

during imperial and colonial era

[@neptun6761]

Did you see what happend last year? The staate wants control! they expand it with every opertiunity Thats why big goverment is causing problems wich they blame on others so they can convince the public that we need more goverment

[@michaelbrantley6039]

"Deprived of existence" that's an original way to get around KZbin's algorithm

[@Zscach]

What algorithm?

[@deusexaethera]

It's also a legal term.

[@Zscach]

@Amperoar but what would the algorithm care? What was he getting around?

[@closmasmas9080]

@@Zscach He means killed

[@vdotme]

@@Zscach controversy. The algorithms (yes plural, its not one beast) are primed for "advertiser friendly content". Any topic that could potentially cause a backlash is avoided by the suggested video & Search ranking algorithms, possibly the homepage algorithm too. The algorithms also make mistakes so innocent terms can fall foul of "borderline content" identification (not in violation but can be harmful or misleading"

[@MrAlexkyra]

Honestly, I don’t blame East Timor rejecting Australia in favour of China. During WWII, Australian troops were sheltered from the Japanese by the Timorese, at great risk to themselves (thousands of civilians were killed by the Japanese). We repaid them by recognising Indonesia’s invasion and occupation of East Timor and ignoring the genocide (and even the killing of Australian journalists by Indonesian troops, look up the Balibo Five). We changed our stance and supported their independence in the 90s, but then turned and cheated and bullied them out of their natural resources. They have every justification in aligning with the Chinese. If Australia wants to be the voice of law and order and rules based diplomacy in the Indo-Pacific (i.e. opposing Chinese expansion into Taiwan and the South China Sea) we need to start acting like a fair and responsible neighbor, otherwise it'll just be playing realpolitik against a stronger adversary.

[@randomperson6988]

Same

[@TheLordexilius]

Hi, Australia doesn't need to start acting fair. It's way too late by now and irrelevant really. The so called western world wants everyone to come to their side against China because they are supposedly abusive and self centered and true as that may be, it means nothing to poor nations like Sri Lanka, East Timor etc. because the west treated them no differently and right now China seems a better bet economically anyways. Another good (and important) example is how the US treated Turkey. Turkey was concerned greatly over the US invasion of Iraq and what it might do to the local.. "ecosystem" (and i guess an independent kurdish nation). The important point is, the US didnt even bother to consider the interests of one of its most important allies in the region. They flatout ignored Turkey and now Turkey sits with the massive consequences of the chaos (refugees, chaos, violence, economic problems etc) while the US pulled out, and naturally Turkey goes its own way now.

[@dracomet2097]

It's too late. East Timorians have been betrayed three times. There's literally no reason for them to trust Australia and be backstabbed a fourth.

[@TheLordexilius]

@@dracomet2097 The sad truth is that China will exploit them heavily too. I am not too well versed in these affairs of Australia, but my impression is that China or Australia is a pick your poison scenario (but China is stronger, and not going against them is safer). It's not a given that Australia will treat them with more fairness though, given how low standards Australia has, it's frankly anyone's guess which partnership will work out best for Timor. One cannot with any legitimacy automatically claim "it's Australia". I dont want it to sound like I root for China; China is just the Nemesis that the west has to suffer for its continous, arrogant hubris that in many ways has not seen its likes in human history. The west, after all, claims to have invented and formalized human rights and the international legal system only to make a mockery of it so many times when it wasnt convinient. Many western politicians of the mainline liberal/conservative wing still act as if third world (i mean this in the "unaffiliated" sense) countries are lucky and priviliged that we wanna talk to them (and that the west has a ton of goodwill in the third world that it probably does NOT have) and that they should be kind of in awe of wester superioty and sophistication. China is under no such illusions about tis own image; its brutally down to hard business and not surprisingly, many may repect this approach more.

[@AsttoScott]

You look like a slav, yeah, you aren't shilling at all.

[@UncleSofthands]

As an Australian, this was a hard watch. It's a good reminder that every country can commit unjust or immoral acts in the name of national benefit, especially your own.

[@abracadabrablah]

First time?? I’m American.. you get used to the lack of power against evil lol

[@spotthedod]

That wasn't meant as a reminder of how every country falls short. It is an expose of Australia''s hypocrisy, deception and greed. Indeed it's complicity in genocide. Now say something...

[@bjornironside1857]

@@spotthedod why HE need to say something?

[@williamdavis9562]

@Big Ghoulish Boi, some people tend to do it more than others. Since the day Australians set foot in that region everyone in that area as suffered terribly. The chickens will come home to roost one day, I'd imagine it will come with a lot of Chinese support.

[@williamdavis9562]

@@Vroomfondle1066 It's possible but if I'm from east Timor, the alternative couldn't be much worse.

[@wolky8176]

I've been to Timor Leste in 2019 and this topic was omnipresent. People are aware but just can't do anything about it.

[@eldarlrd]

@Dan2314 Wonderluck Selling out to China isnt advantageous to East Timor either though. You effectively become a vassal. So either they become a Chinese puppet or they remain broke.

[@Charliechorizo]

@Dan2314 Wonderluck - the Timorese are not stupid. Indonesia was bad enough for them.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@Dan2314 Wonderluck China is worse than Indonesia in many regards. It pretends to help you, showering you with promises and funds, and when you get indebted to them, they will take your land piece by piece. Don't believe me? Ask Montenegro. Montenegro was promised a highway built with Chinese loans, loans that could not be paid. Now that China is asking for the money, Montenegro needs to concede land to them as payment, including the already built infrastructure. So Montenegro now is both broke, indebted and without the fruit of labor.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@Dan2314 Wonderluck Also, realistically speaking, if Indonesia and Australia are faced with the prospect of a Chinese port and military base in East Timor, they would rather invade East Timor and settle the issue with war. They would rather take the bad press than see their power and influence in the region being diminished. Australia is acting hypocritically, but the ramifications of a Chinese military presence in East Timor will not resonate in Canberra only, but also at Washington and other powers that have interests in the region.

[@eleinaedelweiss6215]

Between Chinese and Indonesian timoresse will choose Indonesian ffs the invasion is headed by a dictator at the time by now theres not much bad feeling.

[@conflictsinhistory5828]

Australia: We want your resources East-Timor: Someone heeelp China: *enters the chat* Australia: ...well that backfired

[@dongster529]

The irony of how the Australian exploitation of the weak(instead of offering something like a mutual rights agreement), allowed for China to enter decades later. The funny part is the Australia govt is now crying foul, after being the bully in this whole issue.

[@ayubhasan9725]

There’s always someone bigger

[@TMirwansah]

sadly, they barely got the help

[@fatalshore5068]

And our media will scream bloody murder and fear monger about China being an evil empire. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[@thedamnedatheist]

It will back fire for Dili. They are about to be a colony again.

[@user-cj1br1hx9q]

East Timor should sabotage their Dingo Fence. That will teach them. Or let the Emus out

[@user-cj1br1hx9q]

Replace the Emus claws with machetes

[@user-cj1br1hx9q]

@Merit Ocrassie employ 'im just waiting for a mate' and 'I was in me fucking jocks mate' as security guards

[@recarras]

Who let the emus out?

[@IBITZEE]

East Timor intelligence (aidded by Portuguese geneticists) will add one more animal to the Platipus... that should teach them a lesson... ;-)

[@blokeVB]

I remember the emu war

[@nathangale7702]

I always had a feeling Australia was more involved in the East Timor conflict than they put on, but you've really put all the pieces together. Thanks.

[@benjaminr8961]

He is lying to you. This video is nonsense.

[@demun6065]

@@benjaminr8961 yep. He didn't spend one second about how Australia intervened in East Timor, essentially granting them independence from the butchery of Indonesian militias, hacking up Timorese and throwing their bodies into water wells... What a joke, I subbed to this channel yesterday. Unsubbing today. Could've at least mentioned the INTERFET mission led by Australia to stop the brutal conditions.

[@One90972]

@@demun6065 I mean didn't Indonesians came there because of Australia?

[@kaniel_outis1]

The key reason “why” East Timor is now a country is because of Australia....think about that

[@Madasin_Paine]

And the Clinton Machine and their two "philanthropic" foundation$. Nasty Hi$tory under the crown and consorts. Privy!

[@SirHenryMaximo]

"...cannot do both simultaneously anymore than it can mix oil and water." Excellent punchline!

[@carabatzis25]

I think this clip was made just to use that line :P

[@manooxi327]

u can, if u shake good enough, and keep shaking no one would tell the difference ;)

[@RM-el3gw]

haha yes, these keep getting better.

[@MarkWTK]

in each of his most recent video, the last line is always very flowery 👍 it's like the perfect ribbon on a gift

[@chellybub]

Ahhh yes, Alexander Downer and his "hard foreign policy" against Timor Leste.

[@David-lr2vi]

Paid of well for him with the big bribe (job) he received at Woodside Petroleum!

[@flowersflower110]

there would have been a partnership!

[@coastsouljah]

Australia's politics and government is heavily influenced by those big mining and gas companies. I know. I live here in Western Australia 🇦🇺

[@grizzlednerd4521]

It's also interesting looking at which political parties were in government during the various stages.

[@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520]

Australia isn’t a country it’s a foreign owned economic zone , we get no benefit from our lands being raped and pillage on top of our mining oligarchs raping the lands of others ( Bougainville )

[@shastealyomeal]

It would make sense for a country to support and finance its bigger sector

[@shastealyomeal]

@Gort Newton GNP isn't everything

[@chrisortiz8072]

@@mosesgoldbergshekelstien1520 you could fully separate from the queen instantly no 1 would stop you. Australia Is a constitutional monarch. Its ceremonial and symbolic. You have your own military and money. It's not like Australia is an occupied nation unless looking from a natives perspective

[@y2k21]

In geopolitics there's no such thing as perminent friends, only strategic interest.

[@bukovinian]

Veterans objected, but lawmakers…

[@klytouch5285]

Oh no.. 😝😜🤪

[@klytouch5285]

@Ozzie Mum yeah you should see how polluted that place is.. hmmm oil slick for miles and miles of open water.. hmmm So sad.

[@pututunik8748]

@Ozzie Mum sending experts and teacher is a good idea, the infrastructure is beyond bad and there are some brilliant kid in timor

[@aureusknighstar2195]

They had something else in mind...

[@bakthihapuarachchi3447]

@@pututunik8748 did you mean to say "brilliant kids" or is there an actual exceptionally smart kid there?

[@Andrew-ob5ij]

‘Deprived of existence’ interesting way of saying murdered

[@gameoflife9576]

Shirvan doesn't want this video to get demonetized.

[@hybridwars3029]

"genocide"

[@tombombadilofficial]

*That's just standard KZbin creator move against demonitization.*

[@yussefthe3rd]

@@gameoflife9576 you can't say 'murder' if you want to make money on yt?

[@data544]

@@yussefthe3rd yep

[@nerfstorm2863]

""one third of the population was deprived of existence"........well that's one way of saying it

[@ProfPlump-ug3xe]

It's because of youtube demonitisation rules. They can't say words like death or killed or murdered etc.

[@1schwererziehbar1]

@@ProfPlump-ug3xe You can use the words but only in specific contexts. It's safer to not use them.

[@maarten1115]

@@1schwererziehbar1 The censor bots don't care.

[@manooxi327]

that's Roblox lvl of swearing

[@alinobunaga]

He could say they got oof’ed

[@ornachia2489]

1970’s: American, Australian and Indonesia trying so hard to prevent communists influence in Timor. China in 2019: Ding dong 🛎

[@khein2204]

And that could happen bcuz those capitalist greed lol

[@tophatv2902]

@@khein2204 ???

[@averageGoat_meh_eh_eh_eh]

@@khein2204 you think the C C P isn't capatilist at this point?? Ignorance is bliss

[@khein2204]

@@averageGoat_meh_eh_eh_eh I want to ask what your definition about capitalism? is that if a country has private corporations then they automatically become capitalist country? lol this already happened since thousands years ago, they only leave the pure communist system and go back to china dynasty economic system, when people could do their own business but state still could control some area, as u said, ignorance is bliss

[@averageGoat_meh_eh_eh_eh]

@@khein2204 CHINA: Accuse others of what you yourself do. STFU

[@leehaseley2164]

I had no idea that in modern times, Australia had behaved in such a disgustingly underhanded and scummy manner.

[@the80386]

Roughly every 10 years, some horrible actions of USA (also UK, France, Australia etc) get exposed, and every time they say "we definitely don't do that anymore, please believe us". 10 years later, the act repeats itself.

[@mladendjukic1061]

What about the genocide od indigenous people?

[@adinnaikhwani6255]

@@mladendjukic1061 they didn't even want to admit and apologize about it they pointed at japan or germany, but not at themself

[@rudrahari4484]

@@the80386 so true, after some time they starts to bully others

[@williamdavis9562]

@Lee Haseley, I'm shocked that you're shocked. Australia since it's inception has been and will probably always be the most destabilizing factor in that entire region.

[@zully8290]

The ending is literally "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and a middle finger to Australia from Timor Leste

[@Lobos222]

Sure, but its not often wise to invite a vampire just because he happened to dislike daywalkers.

[@zully8290]

It never was. But if I am a poor and bullied for years by a rich, I might do the same

[@andrewbirch7737]

lol Im sure they'll be happier being under the thumb of the CCP

[@zully8290]

Try living with them for a while. You might change your "I am sure" opinion

[@PerryKobalt]

@@zully8290 damn son these Aussies bullying you out just like they g*nocided half of population Aboriginals As an half-Indonesian we are sorry for our government done before(Soeharto) to your people and always never trust the European West, always find the counter balance against these Hypocrite Europeans West "enemy of my enemy is my friends" ; )

[@singularityraptor4022]

Meanwhile, Australia preaches to other countries about their superior democratic system, freedom and decency.

[@AsttoScott]

We don't preach anything about it. In fact we all hate it. No one supports their state or federal governments anymore.

[@74thartillery__]

@@AsttoScott Australia does that

[@charles8769]

Hypocrisy lmao

[@captain-chair]

I support all these things and I think the hypocrisy of our government is truly shameful. Autocracy is just as shit as Oligarchy; the people must seize control of the state then punish the Oligarchs for the abuse of citizens and non-citizens alike.

[@mariyabiswas3391]

Julian Assange.

[@SEIMYUNGVACTRONCOLTD]

As an Azerbaijani, I am feeling proud of you for being unbiased, while doing quality research about different regions of the world.

[@arionsudibyo6284]

correction: The fall of the Soeharto government was in 1998 not 1989 Yeah...farely recent (unfortunately)

[@jeremycompton3010]

I would have thought Shervan as a former geopolitical analyst would not make those kind of errors. Shervan needs to do his homework.

[@YourMom-lb3mt]

My opinion soeharto is a doodoo because he killed many indonesians (300.000-2.000.000 depending on source) only for being a communist or a supposed communist, or a political adversary. So fortunately his regime fell Gw indo btw

[@elephantman2112]

@@jeremycompton3010 Might have fumbled the script.

[@commissarf1196]

@@YourMom-lb3mt Sesama Indo

[@roxaskaragi879]

@@YourMom-lb3mt As evil as what suharto did in 1965, he literally saved indonesia from a civil war and a possible destructive Maoist government. One must remember indonesia communist party is heavily anti religion. While the biggest opposition to the communist is the islamist faction and thr nationalist Had the communist won indonesia will literally break apart and will become the "afghanistan" or "Yugoslavja" of Southeast asia

[@ETS186]

That's why Australia supported Timor Leste's independence from Indonesia. Had nothing to do with human rights.

[@Varmint111]

Yeah nah yeah yeah nah, humans rights mate. Don't worry 'bout it 'ey, 't's all good, fair dinkum.

[@User9r682]

As was mentioned in the video, the agreement Australia has with Indonesia would have granted Australia resource rights to the area, if anything East Timor's independence has complicated the matter.

[@mofo78536]

Did you actually watch the video? What he was saying was the exact opposite. It was in their interest that Indonesian took over East Timor and the Australian Government secretly agreed to it. They just didn't count on the Australian Public sense of Fair Go and Aussie Vets rallying against it.

[@christianwhittall5889]

Let’s hope that west papua has oil then

[@CandorHispanus]

The lies the mainstream corporate media will spoonfeed you... in collusion with those very same governments.

[@TheDethBringer666]

The most pathetic part about this is that Australia could've been nice to Timor and established some kind of economic relationship. Instead they chose to play the imperialism game and ultimately that's lead to an adversarial global super-ish power now having friend right off their coast.

[@HarleyHerbert]

And I'm sure Timor is fully aware that China will screw them over too, probably don't even want to do it, but Australia has backed them into a corner and left them with no choice but to bring in China. The Timor people need those resources and stability *now*. Had Australia been fair to Timor the little nation could have built themselves up into a regional economic power, becoming a strong ally in the region and with good economic ties which would have been far better for both countries than what they have now.

[@FOLIPE]

@@HarleyHerbert they are aware that Australia will screw them over. Nothing China can do will be as bad because Australia is just off their coast and China is kind of far away. It's a reasonable assumption.

[@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl]

@@FOLIPE ever one who called on rome though the same thing see who well that ended

[@leaveme3559]

@@HarleyHerbert I don't get people like you who the hell is going to invest in there countries no one!!!!....who's going to fund those infrastructure projects?...no one world doesn't give a fuck....everyone is on there own so if there is easy money to get they will get it

[@royegabrieli5858]

@@HarleyHerbert China has historically treated it's allies, vassals and tributaries with great respect. I doubt it would be any different now with East Timor, the whole idea that "Oh now the Chinese would screw them" shows how far Western propaganda is rooted in the minds of people who don't know anything about Chinese history.

[@Lekurishkun]

And all of the time, Indonesia is the one to blame for the east timor conflicts as human rights violators. Ironically, those come a lot from Australian

[@Anafuji7553]

I always thought our country is a black sheep or a Scape goat for this western bullshit, even tho what soeharto did still unforgivable (but its the same for other indonesian no one genuinely like him)

[@GeopoliticalEconomyReport]

There is a perfect word for this: imperialism

[@eldridgedavis]

Is that really you Ben?

[@formulaoneigniti0n994]

It's corporatism ben not imperialism, the latter reeks of lefty wokeism

[@SA-np5yy]

@@formulaoneigniti0n994 no, it is imperialism. A perfect example of it. Corporatism is an ideology which advocates for workers and employers to be organized into groups based on industry called corporations subordinate to the state. What Australia is doing is clearly not corporatism but imperialism.

[@formulaoneigniti0n994]

@@SA-np5yy You make it sound as if corporatism is a good thing when it has already been proven time and again that it is not the case at all. Corporatism is the biggest expression of usury and banditry within the sphere of capitalism. "imperialism" is just a catch-all term for communists to refer to anything they don't like. On one hand you have Australia exploiting them like the capitalistic corporation they are, and then you have communist china telling and giving the Timorese sweet sounding deals while holding a knife behind their backs. In other words; australian lawmakers and communist china can go to hell. They are two sides of the same coin owned by the globalist merchants anyways.

[@矮胖的矮胖的]

Well... behind the curtain Australia is a colony (commonwealth). It has the same feather as the UK, Canada, NZ, and US. It does not have its own language. The head of state is the same as the UK. The people are basically Europeans. It is basically part of an Empire.

[@budawang77]

As an Australian this is a very shameful chapter in our recent history. The current Australian government is still persecuting the whistle blower who revealed this scandal.

[@MrVice123456]

If it wasn’t for Australia, East Timor would still be under Indonesian rule.

[@MrVice123456]

@@abdiganiaden China could try and Australia retaliates by banning the export of iron ore to them.

[@MrVice123456]

@@abdiganiaden not sure what you mean by stolen, you would have to take that up with England. Reality is Australia orchestrated East Timor’s independence, why they bothered is beyond me.

[@budawang77]

@@MrVice123456 It was largely thanks to the hard work of some very dedicated activists.

[@notyeet8683]

@@MrVice123456 the entire reason why Indonesia invaded East Timor was they have the support of Australia

[@lochdogga]

As an Australian I remember this happening as a kid. A charity came to our school asking us to support East Timor. So much for being the benevolent regional power.

[@ibnu9969]

As an Indonesian, I would appreciate very much if Australian government zips its mouth regarding Papua, as we're aware what will happen when Papua becomes independent. Nothing against Australian though, just the government

[@PerryKobalt]

@@ibnu9969 Aussies again try to divide and conquer our rich resources land And *"Freeing West Papua for Human Rights and Freedom(Lol no we doing this like East Timor)"* And Central Government of Jakarta knows about this issue luckily

[@abdiganiaden]

@@ibnu9969 Indonesians are very racists against Papuans but yet do not want them to leave the union. Just for resources i guess, same as Australia.

[@teukudenid.4571]

​@@abdiganiaden How could Indonesians are racist toward Papuans? Papuan has the same chance of access to formal education and infrastructures as any other Indonesian. Even they can be elected as leader. Both Papua and West Papua province are led by Papuans. More importantly Indonesian central government isn't dumping Papua only for resources. There is historical and cultural ties between Austronesian and Melanesian tribes. Political will to developing Papua is strong right now. The only times when Indonesian government discriminate Papua is during Soeharto era, but only in development matters not racial. There is no apartheid and segregation law in Indonesia. If there is any racism toward Papuan, it only a minority. And historically, Indonesians is more racist towards ethnic Chinese than Papuan. If you assuming Indonesian is racist why native Papuan and migrants from other islands can live in the same neighborhood? Separating term of Papuan from Indonesian itself is stupid. "Indonesia" itself is modern made term for nationality not necessarily referring to a race. The only racial reference of Indonesian is to native inhabitants of the archipelago and Papuans IS native to the archipelago, which make Papuans IS Indonesian.

[@wedhuz9578]

@@abdiganiaden ooh another snowflakes talking about human rights and racism by mainstream media

[@Bubblegumsweaterrr]

:) as someone who is East Timorese,thank you so much for making this video,not much people know about my country and the situation we are going through. I had my uncle murdered in the Indonesian invasion for no reason and it hurts that all of this was done for oil

[@arrielradja5522]

Sorry

[@drapoel120]

As an Indonesian, I apologize for the action of Indonesian military, I hope you and your country can recover from this situation, I just learn this now because I didn't find this anywhere mentioned in my school history books or maybe I didn't pay enough attention.

[@MazL1996]

Hahahahahah

[@CyrusVonBismarck]

Wow this is so much worse than I could have imagined. I had that faint memory that Australia had been dealing unfairly with East Timor over oil, but this is just horrific and oh so short-sighted. What a way to piss on the graves of those who defended Australia’s shores from being taken by the Japanese empire.

[@dasbubba841]

The strong take from the weak. If Australia wouldn't take it, it would be Indonesia or China. Timor can't afford to exploit it's own resources, so it'd sell out the rights to.... probably Australia first.

[@mohussein21]

@@dasbubba841 : Remember your statement when China colonises Australia.

[@charles8769]

@@dasbubba841 HAHHAHA yet you would cry if China did the same.

[@SirFaceFone]

@@dasbubba841 Or you know.. we could upheld the rules-based order set in international treaties. Australia should set an example, not play the games of authoritarian regimes.

[@GAndreC]

Honestly if Japan had used a softer hand and incorporated Pacific people’s into their national mythos it would not be completely out of the question if some places had wanted to remain or reincorporate into it post war and/or place them in a position to be the nation with the most soft power in South East Asia. Not to mention all the personnel freed up for other fronts and the legitimacy gained from greater local support that occupation forces simply cannot grant.

[@jan2oo]

Aus: Lets antagonize East Timor! East Timor: **Turns to China for help** Aus: 👁👄👁

[@AsttoScott]

Or it's a Communist painting a picture for propaganda purposes.

[@adinnaikhwani6255]

@@AsttoScott nah, their propaganda already GONE all long time when FRETLIN died at the hand of indonesia. they asked china because it's purely australia's fault, THAT'S THE FACT

[@AsttoScott]

​@@adinnaikhwani6255 Indonesia has been mining precious gems and what not from there for awhile. Anyone saying otherwise is shilling for them.

[@ITSaPendragon]

china would do worse

[@ggh_-ts6pn]

@@AsttoScott and youre not shilling for australia? bogan

[@BumiPeta]

Australia against East Timor's independence because of oil. Later, Australia is supporting East Timor's independence because of oil. Edit: *sigh* I know that my statement isn't the whole picture. I just reiterate the interesting part of this (already simplified) video.

[@cafe1925]

America: He is my boy

[@nunyabiznes33]

@@cafe1925 "I raised that boy"

[@chrisc2671]

No, nothing you wrote was remotely what happened

[@russneho]

Almost like the oil companies are in charge huh?

[@nachoqualsevol554]

Oil is better than life and freedom ?)

[@Makambapretu2012]

I'm impressed how thorough your research about this theme is. You gave me so much more info i ever thought i could gather myself. This is a very good example how rich countries always try tot squash the pole ones in their adventage. Thanks for this great social sciences video. Keep up the good job👍

[@sergeo5366]

Australia: *_*bullies East Timor*_* East Timor: *_*asks for help from a bigger bully*_* Australia: 👁️👄👁️

[@dubious_potat4587]

Wait that's illegal

[@heroicbreak2952]

I wonder if they think, while sitting on their oil fields and China staring down at them, whether it was all worth it

[@livelife4928]

@@heroicbreak2952 Desperation leads to bizarre situations.

[@leonodonoghueburke4276]

"Wait, what about our rules based order?!"

[@bellisarius6968]

@@leonodonoghueburke4276 lol maybe Chine will make Mad MAX a reality :P

[@zealandia5668]

So basically, Australia robbed East Timor.

[@矮胖的矮胖的]

those whites robbed the territory of the indigenous too. It's basically an English Empire in disguise as calling themselves as Australians. They don't even have their own language to begin with. It's a fake country. It's a colony. Commonwealth = colony.

[@dinarimanrahmadi1629]

@@矮胖的矮胖的 true. they took melanesian land and named them aborigin instead of melanisia. they support separatism in papua and im sure they aim to take control later as same as they did to timor

[@pugilist102]

@@矮胖的矮胖的 They built a great country there though. I’d rather live there than China.

[@矮胖的矮胖的]

@@pugilist102 you mean colony.

[@davidjoelsson4929]

@@矮胖的矮胖的 so? We gonna act like china is crime free? Why did north sinofie south? That belongs to vietnam

[@turningpoint4238]

Same happens in school yard bullying. The medium sized kid (Australia) pushes around the small kids, but then when the big kid (China) bullies it it runs to the teacher crying injustice.

[@NajwaLaylah]

Yes; China is a big bully.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@NajwaLaylah Haven't seen a country that won't try and bully a weaker country. Just some have a harder punch than others. It's sad, working together under the rule of fair laws would long term be advantageous to us all. Goes all the way down to human level, power corrupts.

[@Randi-h5q]

@@turningpoint4238 well the sad fact of life is that when it comes to international relations, might makes right as there's no way to enforce any treaties with another sovereign nation without overwhelming military and economic power to back it up. Also, there's no morals or eternal friends in geopolitics, only eternal interests. Which is how we ended up having the huge mess we got in global geopolitics.

[@FOLIPE]

@@turningpoint4238 You haven't been looking then, there are several countries that treat their smaller neighbors as partners.

[@Tenebraeification]

@@NajwaLaylah Doesn't matter, Australia has pushed Timor Leste to the point that the use of Chinese investments and the dangers they pose is a reasonable risk over the the intolerable treatment that they've so far received. This reminds me of the exploitation that the USA indulged in with Cuba and their reaction that a communist uprising toppled their puppet government.

[@jahidulmawla677]

This is one of the topics which I will never found on r/geopolitics or anywhere of reddit. Thanks Chirvaan.

[@sadafhusain2059]

East Timor: Finally we are free from Indonesians Aussies: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@ichiroyamada1901]

As an Indonesian, it is very shameful and inhumane what we did to them. We are no better than Dutch and Japan that once colonized our nation.

[@FarEast56]

@@thedamnedatheist lmao

[@autotainment3113]

@@thedamnedatheist BRUH this guy

[@ichiroyamada1901]

@@thedamnedatheist you simply cannot claim a moral background on us mate, you did worse.

[@autotainment3113]

@@thedamnedatheist stop eating Propaganda man, it's not healthy

[@RandyMCPEmaster]

As an Indonesian, i feel bad for East Timor..

[@lifesoframadhangaming7364]

Who cares? that's their desision

[@sophisticatedthumb5364]

@@lifesoframadhangaming7364 then stop acting like you care about anything china or russia does

[@lifesoframadhangaming7364]

@@sophisticatedthumb5364 What's your problem?

[@itsolivier]

Well as an indoneian i think your still occupying Timor itself its called west timor and the Timorese didnt let you come through the door and you didnt know, Indonesian brutlaly invade west timor, massacreing many in the process.. please, feel bad for that as well.

[@ningsihoke3920]

They deserved it and we did not care

[@petersinclair3997]

As someone said at the time, Australia arguing with East Timor over the oil, was like Bill Gates arguing with a servant over a dollar.

[@logatawan3077]

East Timor : Aussie I want oil Australia : Sorry, this oil will be brought (meanwhile) West Timor : dad I want oil Indonesia : coming right up sweety

[@NafuttoID]

God bless indonesia!

[@wedha-]

yup, thanks to One Fuel Price Policy even rural area got their fair share of oil subsidy

[@InimicusXII]

As an Australian who's proud of his country, our relationship with timor-leste is saddening and unjustified. More Australians should be made aware the blatantly hypocritical moves our government has dealt to east timor over the years. Thanks for discussing this topic!

[@PerryKobalt]

And now Aussies now wants for West Papua for.... Expectations : "Give Free to Papuans and we will give you a freedom" Reality : "Lol no We freeing you and we will steal your resources just like in East Timor 😂"

[@InimicusXII]

​@@PerryKobalt I think based on West Papua's position relative to Australia it'd be much harder to claim an Australian EEZ around it; which is essentially what they've done with shafting timor-leste. Either way, the right to self-determination is still important for any nation, including West Papua if the citizens there so desire it.

[@PerryKobalt]

@@InimicusXII well Papua is a whole just like an mini Africans and some of my friend(actual native Papua) told me "During my childhood he witnesses the Papuans killing each other daily (Loyalists of Indonesian vs Independenist movement) and also he(survived) almost died on bullet on his chest right near the heart" And he says back then I want West Papua independence 12 years ago want to become an Independece Guerilla but after he read *the East Timor case* he now changed his mind and become Indonesian police he told me "After I research the whole mess of my land I realized this bloodshed had so many interests of themselves(WestPapuanIndepenceRevolutionaryArmy), not for people that we hoped , now I have seen why WPIRA killing Civilians of Loyalists and that made me question of the WIPRA is it they truly for the Papuans of all ? but killing our own people even they(loyalist) are also papuans but we killed them just for that ? That's not for all Papuans that's literally G*nocides against ourselves and that's why I surrendered myself and Become an Indonesian police in order to not let these happened again" And that his story of my friend Amara in 2019 I don't know now how my friend doing now but I'm sure he doing his duty Well as a whole about West Papua thing, it's a big mess with many interests group interests that want something but I'm sure in the future we need a find a solution for this mess (Forgive me for my English because my English isn't primary language )

[@AsttoScott]

Fu*k them, what about what our government has been doing to us! I could give to two flying fu*ks about any of the islanders around Australia at the moment, we've got it far worse than any of them do. They're having a sook about resources, meanwhile we can't even work to pay bills or make ends meet.

[@InimicusXII]

​@@AsttoScott That's a pretty ignorant, selfish comment mate. No doubt things are hard for some Australians at the moment, and the government has been shafting us pretty hard in some areas. But fuck you're comparing that to living on an impoverished and comparatively undemocratic island. Even your average high end worker in east timor earns less USD than a dole bludger in Australia.

[@Androslop]

Wow, first time that I hear this. This doesn't make Australians look reliable.

[@charles8769]

Most people who don’t know this are also the ones surprised that a lot of people support China over the US and her allies.

[@the80386]

Australia doesn't just look unreliable, they ARE.

[@seanbrummfield448]

This is why I tell people. Don't watch too much of what the US is doing. I know media is so centered around the US, but be honest, how often do you hear of what's going on with other countries. Many countries are doing the same thing in the background. But, you're not being told that. Because, the US is the only one doing it, right? (scoff).

[@benjaminr8961]

Any one who supports China over the US is either stupid or evil.

[@benjaminr8961]

First time your hearing this because it’s all bs.

[@avantelvsitania3359]

Australia better watch out, before East Timor establishes an alliance with the Emus.

[@8bitorgy]

then it's checkmate

[@nunyabiznes33]

Release The Emus!

[@shadowlord1418]

We surrender. you dont understand the danger of the emus

[@B15HOP]

Emu's still run our country.

[@ibnumubarokeib]

what is Emu's ??

[@mamborambo]

Once again this story reminds us why everyone of us has to pay attention to world geopolitics, because if you leave it to politicians, shit happens.

[@timsherman1245]

yup. We are enslaved to the Geopolitical realities. Even My country USA. good morning shekelstein. how's shapiroo's doing?

[@logicmind1817]

This is what we call having a taste of your own medicine.

[@_l735]

As an Australian, none of this is surprising unfortunately, but for every unjust move, there's a counter move.

[@None-do2qn]

What’s the counter move?

[@petronash22]

Yeah Australia is already is very rich, with all the natural resources.

[@crazyshorts4278]

You are European. The real Australian are Aboriginals. F*** western imperialism.

[@LolLol-gd7ly]

@@crazyshorts4278 and nearly all of Russia isn't actually Russian land

[@sell2012]

@@crazyshorts4278 and you are a tool. wars are won and lost. they lost

[@BirkSolli]

"deprived of existence" lmao what a diplomatic way of saying killed

[@lukasandresson3990]

It’s obvious that australian foreign representants were playing cards of deception while trying to overmine their resources by helping out behind the back of the economically motivated officials.

[@nunyabiznes33]

PC at its finest

[@PerryKobalt]

@@nunyabiznes33 The KZbin as now if the video says "G*nocide, Murd*r, r*pe or something disgust" Will immediately either demonized or video taken down and get strikes 2/(Take KZbinrs down)

[@backpackpepelon3867]

@Archers Be ready looking at the size of the harbour they are building there, I say they are planning for a place that can service aircraft carrier. But Aussie kinda deserve it tho, sleeping with the devils are far better than with a backstabber.

[@SG003]

That's evil, I didn't know Australia does same thing as America for oil

[@MisterFoxton]

Australia fucks it's own people over when it comes to oil and water. Of course it wouldn't bat an eyelid over anyone else's interests.

[@jamesshen401]

Australia: Violating East Timor territorial waters China: Does the same in South China Sea Australia: ONLY I CAN DO DAT

[@AsttoScott]

When and where did they violate territorial waters?

[@artonio5887]

Both are wrong, both should be prevented

[@charles8769]

@@artonio5887 hmmm so where’s the US sending the 7th fleet to protect Timor?

[@tiredox3788]

@@charles8769 Do they have treaty with the US?

[@JA-pn4ji]

@@tiredox3788 Do Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia the countries of the SCS have a treaty with US?

[@Pandapucks]

Thanks for making bringing this up! This is the first time I learn of this. It's scary how profit always come first regardless of how righteous a country portrays itself to be.

[@andrewgrayson1996]

This isn't talked about enough!

[@kaniel_outis1]

Go...talk your head off..no one is stopping you

[@andrewgrayson1996]

@@kaniel_outis1 yes okay good point you're right I'll definitely take your comment on board..........

[@TheMaster4534]

Because everyone is busy shittalking at China and Russia

[@Birdylockso]

It's because most English media is controlled by the West, who's been playing this game for a long time. As long as the dominant language of the world is in English, it's expected the worldview will be shaped by the West. With AI in the future, every language will be translated instantaneously and perfectly into local languages. We are getting there in baby steps. Once that happens, western hegemony will suffer more set backs.

[@kentrudy860]

@@kaniel_outis1 your nation speaks about freedom while stealing the weak resources that's pretty hypocritical. And the most patriotic people are the ones who can admit their nations flaw not denying them.

[@randomthing9712]

And that's how many Indonesia people start calling East Timor idiot and hardly reject East Timor to rejoin indonesia

[@luisgomes6407]

From what resourceh you claimed that Timorese want to rejoin indonesia? Are you out of your mind or are you trying to made yourself happy because of indonesian lost in Timor Leste?

[@InfernoJimmy83]

The Australians deployed a tactic of “divide and conquer”, Wonder who they learnt that from! 😂

[@thegrandlord2914]

Dutch: ahem... I think my weed plantation need some new fence... Bye British: well, i have a tea party goin on. I'll take my leave

[@thegrandlord2914]

Dutch and british leave the room in a hurry

[@alioshax7797]

This is a concept older than the world itself... It is believed that Philippus of Makedon, Alexander the Great's father, is at the origin of the sentence "divide et impera", or divide and rule.

[@adinnaikhwani6255]

@@alioshax7797 no, not from alexander, it's from france but british and dutch make it popular more than USA did

[@alioshax7797]

@@adinnaikhwani6255 I told you, "divide et impera" is a quote from Philippus according to Eumenos of Cardia, Alexander's personnal scribe. And even Phillipus didn't invented it. It's just common sense, you can find the same kind of advices in the Art of War from Sun Tzu. Your ennemy is strong, united, ready to face you with all its forces ? Create discord among them, ally some, and you'll win easily. France didn't invent anything there.

[@lukebrennan88]

I been on KZbin for a while and this is the most informative, wholesome, unbiased, no-nonsense channel I have seen. Thank you for your work I'm gonna donate

[@andysol.4593]

The comments have been biased though

[@johnlane8053]

The United States is Australia's mentor - and boy did Australia learn well!

[@fatalshore5068]

We are ahead of the US when it comes to depravity. You think kids in cages is bad? You should of taken a leaf outta our book and locked them up on offshore prison islands for years without charge.

[@silverhost9782]

@@fatalshore5068 sounds awesome. Wish we would try that🙈

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@fatalshore5068 your whole country was a prison island for British convicts what did you expect you would become

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

Neither USA or Australia compares to the UK you’ve learnt from the best

[@kaniel_outis1]

Thanks for the high regard

[@IllusionistsBane]

At this point, Australia is making the Surprised Pikachu face.

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

Australia "We are worried East Timor could fall to communism...so our plan is to absolutely fuck with them for decades and decades." East Timor: "Ok, well then we'll just side with communist China." Australia: *surprised Pikachu face*

[@allboroughs9257]

Shirvan you’re bleeding us dry without more content, keep it coming !!! We love the work!!!

[@UpstandingCitiz3n]

"the two do not mix, like oil and water" DAAAAMMMNNNNN... Pure poetry here!!

[@harukrentz435]

As an Indonesian myself i blamed our dictator soeharto for so willingly dancing into the westerner's tune and got ourselves involved into the whole east timor shenanigans, We shouldve STAYED AWAY from the beginning. Edit: for any of you who still have no idea about it, the western allies not only knew about the incoming indonesian invansion in the 70's, they also endorsed and supported it.

[@clashoflands]

Nothing new thet did this is middle East for ages.

[@AGS363]

9:13 "200000 east timorese...were deprived of their existence" That is one way to say it.

[@lockheedmartin286]

Last time I was this early Russia was USSR

[@marcustoh]

That’s what most big and powerful nations have been doing even though the emphasise on rules-based order. They use the rules when it is in their favour, and work against the rules when they feel the need to.

[@we1rdfuk]

Rules for you, but not for me.

[@nurnur-qo5sx]

Thank you so much for this report. For years Australia always blame Indonesia and act as if they are innocent. As an Indonesian, I understand that we are not angle. But watching Australia medias narrate their heroic story saving east Timor was really annoying.

[@liamknight2662]

it was more Australia regretting agreeing to annexation after watching Indonesia brutally oppress and murder Timorese civiilians for 20 odd years

[@N17C1]

The Australian public demanded the ADF do something about Indonesian genocide in East Timor in 1999. Much of the motivation was because the average Australia was embarrassed by what happened in the 1970s. Indonesia started shelling villages with artillery and naval gunfire, despite there being absolutely no military opposition. They then executed Australian journalists in front of East Timorese witnesses. Australians were still angry about Indonesia's behaviour, years later. So, troops were sent in 1999 to prevent a similar thing happening. Despite Indonesia saying it would leave East Timor without violence, it still sent KOPASUS troops (dressed in wigs!) to try to start an insurgency against Australian forces and East Timor, pro-independence elements. It has shown the Australian public that trusting Indonesia is not something Australia should do. As an interesting side note, the only fresh water production on the island was at the Coca Cola factory, owned by the Indonesian General who was over-seeing the genocide. He later tried to submit a legal claim to get his factory back but I guess he realised if he went to East Timor to press his claim, he would be tried for murder.

[@nurnur-qo5sx]

@@N17C1 bla bla bla. And indonesian public should not trust australian government. After all they steal East Timor oil. Australian public is always ignorant and act innocent most of the time.

[@andreas2042]

@@liamknight2662They didn't regret. They just changed their tactics. The invasion of East Timor was supported by USA as it was about crushing communism in that area. And you know to which country, Australian diplomacy was steered into.

[@MazL1996]

@@liamknight2662 Aborigin .. ????? ... ??????????????????????????????????????????????

[@seanorr5105]

It’s even sadder that the oil gets shipped to Japan keeping Australian prices nice and high

[@olbradley]

Killed: ❎ Deprived of existence: ✅

[@motherreaper7287]

As an Australian, I wasn't aware of all our soft power spreading outwards. We have a lot of that bullshit coming inwards, to the point a lot of us, myself included, have no idea the injustices our own country has committed. Thank you for spreading awareness.

[@jonathandentler7158]

Nice work Shirvan, I did not know anything about this. A channel where I truly feel my small patreon contribution goes toward good research and education.

[@travistucker1033]

Soft power is nice, but without overwhelming Hard power it's useless.

[@dunnowy123]

Basically yes.

[@alioshax7797]

No its not. WHat's power ? The ability to make others act the way you want. And to do so, looking nice and cool is as effective as pointing a gun at other's head. You want an example ? European hostility to Turkey is largely due to Greece's soft power.

[@shadowlord1418]

Without the capacity to commit violence you will always be beholden to those who do

[@the80386]

@@alioshax7797 it has nothing to do with greece's 'soft power' - they don't have much of it, especially after the economic collapse. it has to a lot do with USA and france's fear of turkey becoming too powerful and influential and thus supporting countries and groups (greece, separatist movements in turkey, political dissidents etc) that will keep turkey distracted and fragment their ability to engage in any one issue with focus.

[@alioshax7797]

@@the80386 Soft power isn't related to the economy, that's the point. In Europe, Greece's soft power is insane (I'm not Greek or anything, by the way), through its history. Socrates, Pythagore, Thales, Sophocles, many fields of "western culture" are percieved as greek inventions. That's why, in the XIX century, lord Byron and European intellectuals heavily supported Greek war of independance while remaining mostly neutral about Serbian own fight for independance. Greece, although being today just a second zone country with a poor economy, is still, at least in my country France, percieved as the "birthplace of Europe" and thus has a prestige that its economical and political situation can't explain. And when it comes to Turkey, of course there is also political factors explaining the current situation, but not only.

[@EnteiIsDoge]

Damn Australia. I thought you were cool.

[@fatalshore5068]

We are not. Our govt. pantomimes "Aussie" to the both the world and domestically whilst being ruthless bastards behind closed doors.

[@mgntstr]

@@fatalshore5068 The old powers are still in charge! You must needs root them out vine and stem lest they grow back and strangle your liberty ever further.

[@thegrandlord2914]

And now australia trying the same tactic to separate east timor from indonesia to other indoneaian teritory. West papua The goal? Natural resource such as natural gas and rare earths

[@NP1066]

Big respect for providing deep analysis on pretty peripheral and seemingly minor, but interesting geopolitical issues from around the world! I can only imagine the research that's gotten into something like this. Thanks!!!

[@giantsquidMAN]

Me, an Aussie: "Are we the baddies?"

[@David-lr2vi]

Yes we are. Our government is corrupt as fuck and owned by multinational corporations. None of this was done by our government to make Australians rich, it was done to make corporations rich. Because the government putting effort in only belongs to the corporations and not the people.

[@dmmax18]

In this particular situation? Yes. Generally? I don’t think so.

[@seabass9916]

American here. Don't really know what to say other than try not to let the faults of your government penetrate the quality of your people. Do what you can to be able to say "Our country has flaws, but as a whole my people are a good crowd."

[@nitroon8476]

As an indonesian I second this

[@kaniel_outis1]

@@David-lr2vi ok mate please feel free to leave and begin unite your comrades to form a socialist paradise where everyone lives in out of step with human nature

[@afewspokesloose2699]

As an Australian upset by this for years, thanks for your work! I've loved your channel for a couple years now.

[@_Ocariao]

Australia just opened the gate to China in the region.

[@AsttoScott]

It's within the range of missiles from Australian waters. Some how I doubt it's going to be an issue.

[@LucarioBoricua]

@@AsttoScott Maybe not in terms of hard power (military confrontations), but definitely in terms of soft power. Australia missed out on the opportunity to have a small unconditional ally in this area to cater to its mining/fossil fuel sector, and now there's a small state sympathetic towards China, getting tangible benefits from the Chinese, right on its backyard.

[@ciledugmengaji5086]

Indonesia should stay away from this issue. Never involved in this shit again. Let Aussie and Timorese solve themselves.

[@triatheraider1612]

Indonesia: Timor your on your own I am not going to be apart of this Australia: thank you :)

[@mr.fantastic7756]

They wanna be independence then they can do it themselves

[@arionsudibyo6284]

@Internet Hiburan actually not really becuz the Soeharto years really maked almost all of Indonesia want to break apart from Indonesia

[@darrenbutler9819]

Why would Indonesia help? They committed genocide against East Timor during their ear for independence.

[@perry6660]

@@darrenbutler9819 Seoharto's government doesn't represent the next replacing government of Indonesia at the time, so it's ideas and ideology were changed dramatically.

[@adinnaikhwani6255]

@@darrenbutler9819 LOL, YEAH WE ACKNOWLEDGE, NOT LIKE AUSSIE, THE "GENOCIDER OF ABORIGIN"

[@EpicMRPancake]

"The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must." To the extent that Australian policymakers have followed this precept, it has caused a massive stain on our history. After fighting the Japanese alongside us, then getting beat up standing between us and Indonesia and the metaphorical liquor cabinet, I don't think we've done enough to make up for it. Who knows if we ever will. The irony of communists gaining a foothold on our doorstep after all serves us right.

[@shadowlord1418]

Dont worry about the past just focus on what you can do about it now

[@wanismail293]

The Sun has long rises from The West with the atrocities ,massacre ,genocide ,the plundering of nations wealth and banking manipulation in introduction and issuance of toilet paper currencies without much value. Yes, the sun 🌞 rises from the West for the worlds denomination with pacts of deceptions. Remember, Gog and Magog warmongering nations dividing the World for their takings….

[@thesharpyion8030]

Im Australian and im quite Surprised. I all ways knew we were bad to east Timor. But not that mean.

[@-Muhammad_Ali-]

The title should have read: "HOW GREED MADE THE AUSIES TO SHOOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT" :D

[@penguinpingu3807]

You know your plan back fired so hard, that the person you bully ask your enemy to help him

[@raahyama4023]

Correction, Suharto was collapsed in 1998. Then it was replaced by BJ Habibie where he gives a chance to East Timor a referendum that they want to be in Indonesia or be independence. Then it tooks sometimes, in 2002, East Timor finally become independence. (Sidenote : BJ Habibie only being the president of Indonesia from May 1998 to October 1999)

[@keiker2254]

Alfred: “You crossed the line first, sir. You squeezed them, you hammered them to the point of desperation. And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn't fully understand.”

[@yaz2928]

Luckily in this case East Timor does understand China. Mutual interests are just that, mutual. The stronger East Timor is, the stronger China's influence in the region.

[@rejvaik00]

@@yaz2928 I couldn't have said it better myself *"In the world of geopolitics there are no permanent set of morals and no permanent allies, only permanent national interests"* If Australia wants to improve its standing with East Timor it will have to align itself with their interests not against them

[@YoanShaputraa]

Timor leste : f*ck indo, i wanna freedom Indonesian : but i wanna protect you? Timor leste : no, i wanna freedom like singapore Indonesia : ok Timor leste : yes, im freedom Australian : hey , i wanna help you 😏

[@YoanShaputraa]

Now Indonesia : you freedom like singapore now you happy? Timor leste : ....... Indonesia : wkwkwkwk 😌

[@theholyasdf3593]

It's such a smear on our Australian reputation that this had happened. I won't forget this and I hope one day, we can make up for it in the future for East Timor and be a proper neighbour.

[@mladendjukic1061]

What about the genocide Australia committed against indigenous people, murdering 98% of the population, sold them to slavery and human zoo's. Destroyed their culture, language, tradition, religion and only when they finished the job they established some fake organizations and charities that 'now' somehow protects indigenous people. Fake democracy...

[@theholyasdf3593]

@@mladendjukic1061 That was from before. We did not murder 98% of the people and we did not create human zoos. Now there are many organisations and some government subsidised that promote indigenous culture, language and tradition and social welfare. There are many indigenous Australian museums, and natives typically enjoy better opportunities for education and moving to cities. These are not fake, feel free to come to Australia and see for yourself rather than reading stuff from the internet. By the way, my parents were migrants from China in 1990s, so we had nothing to do with that, and neither does any of the current generation of Australia regardless of their race.

[@mladendjukic1061]

@@theholyasdf3593 i didn't say you have to do anything with that, i said Australia meaning government. That was before? How much time before? It was only 15 years ago when the genocide stoped, educate yourself a little about this topic before you even comment anything. Those agencies, charities and other organizations are fake because they are only established to show fake narrative of how caring and democratic Australia is. They only exist for damage control now that majority of indegenios people are eradicated, so now they don't have any political power with the numbers they have now, wich is less then 3%. They became minority on their own land. About the human Zoo's i didn't say Australia had them, I said they sold people to human Zoos, in Europe. But sure defend the undefendable..

[@theholyasdf3593]

@@mladendjukic1061 Nope. These are genuine welfare systems that part of the government. If you are Aborigine, you are paid to look for a job. If you are Aborigine, you are paid to study to become a mechanic, plumber, carpenter etc. If you are Aborigine, you are paid to have children. If you are Aborigine, you are paid. If you Aborigine and have any disability or are isolated and cannot access schools cause you live in remote areas, you are also paid for that. And that's just the money, as an Aborigine, you are entitled to various services from raising a family, domestic violence, mental health, travelling, housing education usually provided by local institutions/centrelink who can most easily get in touch with the local community This is the government you decry for genocide. Genocide is too broad of a term, all the Aborigine massacres in the 1900s and later were not conduct by the government, but perhaps by local authorities representing local government. While heinous, they are recognised and honored with remembrance. It honestly disappoints me that you would call all this fake. Who even has time for that? It's not even logistically sound. Have you really thought about what an enormous waste of tax money it is to run a fake one and how much easier it is to run a real one? Stop and think for a second mate. People here actually care and if you doubt, feel free to come over when the lockdowns are over and see with your own eyes

[@telfasttray948]

Doesn't sound convincing. Sound like white washing! And accusing China of genocide while hiding its own genocide against its natives population whether committed by the state or province is still considered as being committed in the same house!

[@GuderII]

Timor Leste ( East Timor ) 🇹🇱 Expectation: Next Singapore 🇸🇬 Reality. : *Next Zimbabwe* 🇿🇼 *You Reap what you sow*

[@FOLIPE]

In this case, you reap what Australia and Indonesia sow.

[@dasbubba841]

Timor would never turn out like Singapore. Just having oil doesn't make a country prosperous.

[@JoaoPedro-gc8mw]

@@dasbubba841 Well, maybe not prosperous, but it definitely can make a country rich, especially if it has large reserves with a small population. All Gulf countries, Norway, and Brunei are examples of that.

[@ddandymann]

I don't think the people of Timor had much of a say in it considering that they went straight from Indonesian occupation to Australian exploitation.

[@fajaradi1223]

@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw But first and foremost. They need someone like Lee Kuan Yew to lead them.

[@brenongrant3614]

please do more on Australia, this was eye opening!!!

[@macrick]

A word as a Singaporean (Former British Colony), never trust a n an glo west erner, period.

[@robbiecoombes1649]

I never thought I'd be alright with China intervening

[@shadowlord1418]

You shouldn't. East timor being a Chinese puppet is not good for anyone but the ccp

[@2ebarman]

​@@shadowlord1418 the dangerous sentiment that some people might get from this is that Australia will deserve the (mis)treatment by China. Bulluing is not good, but if a bully gets bullied, then that resembles justice. Very unfortunate state of affairs, China will probably benefit massively from this.

[@shadowlord1418]

@@2ebarman china grows stronger as the west crumbles i fear people underestimate the consequences

[@2ebarman]

@@shadowlord1418 Come what may, for the credit of Chinese, they have lifted large portion of their population out from the darkness of absolute poverty. And the west seems to somewhat stall on it's own right now.

[@shadowlord1418]

@@2ebarman a tyrannical government is often efficient but keep in mind china looks out for its own first. maybe its just the march of history though i dont think the divided usa will be able to compete with the rising china

[@tracks6984]

Me: Yeah my country is one of the most peaceful, rich and developed countries Me after watching this: Jesus christ..

[@benjaminr8961]

Video is fictitious.

[@rejvaik00]

Buddy EVERY nation has skeletons in its closet What you need to do is expect and anticipate them so you can better fight against it At least in the democracy of Australia the voices calling into question the treatment on Timor Leste can be heard and expressed and add pressure to form a change of policy

[@co.1157]

You are weak if you get scared by your country's past.

[@kentrudy860]

@@benjaminr8961 prideful much?

[@caesarforlife1663]

@@benjaminr8961 I watched Gareth Evans on the news en route back to Australia on a private plane toasting to the deal with champagne. I will never forget what I saw because all I can remember thinking was "that's the look of someone who just fucked over someone by making the deal of a lifetime". Years later the truth came out. "The announcement by the Permanent Court of Arbitration last week that Australia and Timor Leste have reached an agreement on maritime boundaries will hopefully bring to an end a shameful episode in Australia's foreign affairs history." Sydney Morning Herald. Sept 8 2017.

[@wimokaharawira8443]

I like seeing this point of view, what we see on mainstream media in New Zealand is not what this shows. 👍

[@lisboa305]

Excellent work CaspianReport!

[@mapafilia]

I would love to see a Brazilian Geopolitics review, there is so much going on internally

[@eltaninshrdlu2925]

And then Canberra acts outraged when China does the same. At least the Chinese have an equally long maritime history as their neighbors in the South China Sea. Australia was not a thing until ~200 years ago and the Aboriginals were adapted to continental life, not big seafarers. The Timor Sea belongs to the Timorese and Indonesians who had even a word for the (today) shallow sea. They called it Sahul. It is actually a submerged landmass like the Doggerbank between Denmark and England. The knowledge of that former landmass in the word Sahul proves Timor's claim.

[@tubarao1143]

Lol

[@VoidOfDarkness9]

Apple oranges.

[@ghostoftiananmensquare5511]

Communist China was not a "thing" within living memory...fool.

[@ibcyt]

@@ghostoftiananmensquare5511 Yeah cause those dotted lines were drawn up by the ROC with the assistance of the Yanks. Tooo bad they lost the civil war eh?

[@ghostoftiananmensquare5511]

@@ibcyt It's not over yet...LOL

[@zaine8476]

Another great piece, thanks Shervan

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[@IllIl]

Caspian Report is a beacon of light in the cold grey mists of modern news media.

[@bob-manuel]

9:17 that's such a good way to put it, it even sounds funny.

[@OptimusWombat]

The East Timorese need to add emus to their strategic arsenal.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

And the next thing those east timorese realised, some of the emus that were wandering at the border are ended up cooked by Indonesians, mistakenly identified as a giant wild chicken.

[@horneybonk9208]

was about to mention this ol' scary big chicken

[@deccno]

Puts Australia’s whining towards Chinese bullying in perspective.

[@nutayahoo5000]

It does 😄

[@harukrentz435]

Australia is the worst when it comes to whinning against China.

[@scottdoesntmatter4409]

Funny, but China has a MUCH LONGER history of bullying, whining, and destructiveness as well as technological theft, invasion, etc compared to Australia.