Will Scotland leave the UK?

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The world has changed since #Brexit. Lawmakers in #Scotland are pushing for a brand-new referendum on independence. So, is this how #Britain ends?
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[@trapnl1241]

Its pronounced Edinbruh

[@deusexaethera]

@@trapnl1241 : LOL I came here to say the exact same thing. To be fair, he's Azerbaijani, and probably doesn't need to pronounce Scottish names very often.

[@trapnl1241]

@@deusexaethera very well

[@joshuachalvarro1182]

@@deusexaethera he is? I thought he was Turkish.

[@deusexaethera]

@@joshuachalvarro1182 : Hmm. I _thought_ he's Azerbaijani and CaspianReport is based out of Baku, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way he likely doesn't have to deal with Scottish names very often.

[@LordofKings_]

something that may have been significant to mention is that before the Acts of Union, it was decreed that the Scottish dynasty would rule England and Scotland, not the English one. This was seen as a victory over England and a way to placate the masses that it was Scotland ruling over England instead of the opposite.

[@lochring]

Then Scotland should decolonize Egland and give her independence.

[@grahamleiper1538]

That pretty much ended in 1688 (19 years before the Union) with the coup d'etat that gets called the glorious revolution. Scottish king inherited English throne 1603. Gunpowder plot to kill him in 1605 wasn't successful but the English parliamentarians killed his son in 1649. Does seem like the 1603 Union of Crowns wasn't that great a success for the Stuarts. Jacobite succession led to two rebellions within 40 years of Union of Parliaments in 1707.

[@adamforbes8334]

Yes he failed to mention many things including the succession of the Scottish King to rule over England, Wales n Ireland.

[@wiktorjachyra1869]

I mean now its neither.....its basically just german, they only reside in England more since its the main governing body location of the u.k

[@correctionguy7632]

@@wiktorjachyra1869 Queen Elizabeth II is at least equally as british as german if not more genetically speaking.

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

It would be kinda funny if England held a referrendum for independence because English independence movements do actually exist since the lack a government of their own due to them being the dominant part of the union

[@lostonearth7856]

That would be epic. The English once again throwing a wrench into a union.

[@Alastorm8]

There's somewhat of a joke in England that if we were allowed to vote on Scottish independence we would guarantee it happened. Although it's origin is a bit mean spirited I'm in favour of it for exactly the reason you have stated. Any decentralization of power gives us plebs more of a chance of having a say and a bit more power over our out of touch politicians.

[@son_of_stan]

Cornwall is the first part of england that would go for independence, a lot of them don't see themselves as english.

[@229andymon]

@@Alastorm8 And who’s stopping you having that vote, and why? Not us Scots, that’s for sure. Whether we leave UK, or UK leaves us - fine by me.

[@adriantear849]

You should go for it... it would be interesting

[@Mr_M_History]

It seems to be contextual. Enough has happened with the Tories since 2014 that many Scots I know are now on board with leaving when they weren't before

[@hansfromcongo6322]

Would they actually get one though? As it was a ‘once in a generation’ vote. Also Scotland would be out side of the Union and the European Union as well, given Spain’s precarious position.

[@KentRoads]

Hahahahahahahaah

[@guntguardian3771]

The polling in 2014 had an even split, the result of the referendum was 45-55. The polling today is No ahead by about 2-4 points. The Scots you know are pretty irrlevant, when the statistics are laid bare for all to see.

[@davidb8539]

I think there’s a bit of both ways. The voting age has been reduced too, which has somehow slipped under everyone’s radar. Someone can be too immature to be trusted with alcohol but also mature enough for National decision making, I think that’s a scandal that’s somehow passed us by

[@alex29443]

That may be true to an extent, a lot of tory hate up north (beyond what is rational sometimes, I would say) but the argument for Scexit economically has gone from really bad to essentially suicidal. We have 2/3rds of out trade with the rest of the UK, and you want to erect land borders across that? In exchange for, maybe, one day, getting into the EU, which Scotland would be an even smaller voice in that it is as part of the UK. You know the EU has government spending and deficit conditions for membership right? You know Scotland already fails almost all of them as it stands, that's before it goes through the turmoil of having to set up its own currency. It would be an absolute bloodbath for the Scottish economy and terrible for the UK as a whole, there is a reason the Russian government supports the SNP.

[@Oldmanplum]

An important part missed in the timeline of this video was the Union of the Crowns in 1606 where the Scottish King James VI inherited the throne of England (and thus Ireland too) uniting the 3 kingdoms in a personal union. This brought an end to the Anglo-Scottish rivarvly and the Auld Alliance. It is pretty important context for the Acts of Union 1707 since both countries had already been closely aligned for a 100 years at that point

[@davocc2405]

It alarms me quite how rarely this is pointed out - the Scottish King overtook the English Throne but this isn't sold this way by the separatists.

[@IILiamIIUKII]

This brought an end to the Anglo Scottish rivalry ???? Hardly

[@halloweenjean]

@@IILiamIIUKII I guess in a way it did, but of course the scots and the english still did not get along

[@Oldmanplum]

@@IILiamIIUKII Rivavly in the sense of actively going to war with each other. Geopolitics not feelings

[@vanyadolly]

@@davocc2405 The fact that the Scottish King technically took over the union doesn't change the fact that the UK is run from Westminster while the other kingdoms have very little sayn. Scotland has also historically been a liberal country versus England which is conservative. Scotland hasn't voted conservative for 50 years.

[@bocbinsgames6745]

Edinbruh Also it would be helpful to include that the Act of Union was when a Scottish King was on the English throne, i.e. both countries were ruled by the same monarch

[@miloszbaczak3690]

everyone from outside scotland pronounces it wrong

[@rawrology]

The Act of Union took place when Anne, Queen of England and separately Queen of Scotland was sitting on both thrones when the Act(s) of Union dissolved those Kingdoms and created the Kingdom of Great Britain.

[@RizalBoon]

Still wondering why English doesn't bother fixing the spelling if it wasn't pronounced that way.

[@jds1275]

@@RizalBoon wouldn't it be nice if all the Anglo countries decided to have a group simplify spelling to make it phonetic. It definitely would be easier for foreign speakers to learn. No silent letters, no exceptions, and add a few letters to make sure every sound is represented correctly. Bring back the Þ (thorn).

[@LordOfLight]

@@RizalBoon Because it's a SCOTTISH town.

[@radwald189]

Quick note though, England doesn't ridicule Scotland. Westminster ridicules Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland AND England.

[@ScottishRoss27]

Englands PM bojo the clowns anti scottish poem Englands PM had published, which was endorsed by the right wing English Nationalists in 2019 UK election there.

[@Barrheedyin]

I like to believe that like me, most of my fellow countrymen know that. 😊

[@gavinathling]

@@ScottishRoss27 Nope. England, is the only constituent country without an assembly to have a voice. Nothing can be laid at the feet of the English until or unless they get their own parliament. At the moment, we have the FPTP *British* parliament only, and that doesn't speak for the English any more than it speaks for the Scottish. If it wasn't FPTP, or if there was a separate English First Minister based solely on English votes, you could have a point, but we don't.

[@spoonkus5893]

Well said mate, it’s important to understand that clown governments don’t always represent the people, the vast majority of English are indifferent since independence really doesn’t effect them

[@thokim84]

Westminster is filled with people elected by England.

[@mitonaarea5856]

I can't believe this video completely ignored the Stuart dynasty. A crucial moment for the British isles and one of the reasons the Union was formed. Since both nations had the same monarch it made sense for the Scots to join a union with England.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

The irony is that Scotland spent decades fighting brutal wars to avoid unification, but as soon as a Scottish King got onto the English throne suddenly its the Scots themselves forming the same damn Union they fought to prevent...

[@mitonaarea5856]

@@jamielonsdale3018 Well diffrent times, diffrent circumstances

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@jamielonsdale3018 Ordinary Scots weren't happy with it, hell plenty of Englishmen were unhappy about it too. It was the Scottish nobility that united the two, the sentiment between the peoples didn't flip one bit.

[@Oldmanplum]

@@jamielonsdale3018 Very different circumstances. Even after the establishment of the Union Scotland retained its unique national symbols, traditions, and legal system. All things that would not have happened had we been conquered

[@niconilo97]

@@abcxyz2927 haha xD

[@volusian95]

It's hard for me to say if Scotland is better off in or out of the UK. All I can say is that I'll miss having Scottish SAS soldiers in games.

[@tatradak]

The Scots will still be there , the English will soon get over it and we will be a happy family but with two parliaments!! You'll be able to skip over the border anytime you like!!

[@solastro5595]

Idk the economy will hurt

[@alis.b.4631]

@@solastro5595 It might hurt more in the long-term if they remain.

[@racheltaylor6578]

@@tatradak There will be a hard border with England if Scotland joins the EU.

[@E6hosting]

Unlikely, we already have a working solution, the Common Travel Area. As for goods something like the NI protocol could be extended, or England could use their sovereignty to join the European Customs Union and save their economy.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

As a Scot, I'd rather just have my bins emptied, thanks

[@Helvetica247]

Totally. My bins also runneth over here north of the Antonine wall.

[@dirkscott5410]

Stop voting Labour then 😂

[@user-qb7ms6vs7s]

Last time I was in Edinburgh the bins seem to be full everywhere

[@hardwoodgems]

1st world problems.

[@guntguardian3771]

@@dirkscott5410 SNP run the country, reduce council spending, services become shit... But it's Labours fault. You on the gear pal?

[@ProudRegressive]

Its fascinating that a country that fought so fiercely to preserve its independence would end up willingly joining the country it fought independence from, many decades after its monarch became monarch of that country (England). Its also fascinating that the UK is a country consisting of countries but is also a unitary state.

[@GCarty80]

Scotland wasn't militarily conquered but it was ultimately defeated financially, when its attempt to establish an overseas colony of its own (the Darien scheme) ended in disaster.

[@josephturner4047]

Yeah. It's complicated.

[@thomasdracup8403]

@@GCarty80 there was also an economic blockade put in place by England in response to Scotland threatening to withdraw troops from the coalition army in the war of Spanish Succession. That was in turn a reaction to the English Parliament unilaterally deciding the next monarch without consulting Scotland. The Alien Act of 1705 is the event that ultimately caused the Union.

[@TheBomb571]

Well, the Scottish king James VI also became the English King James I. Would this not also impact sentiment? Edit: Guess that happened many years earlier. I thought England and Scotland had joined at that point, but it seems it was just a personal union.

[@TheLouisianan]

@@thomasdracup8403 I also understand that the English undermined the Scottish expedition to Panama in every way imaginable to help the expedition fail and hurt Scotland ultimately leading to union.

[@DavidTremblay]

I don't think Canadian Interest on Scotland stems from Alberta but from Québec situation.

[@25Soupy]

Quebec in the past, Alberta more in the present. J.T. has thrown Alberta (and the west in general) under the bus just like his father did in 1981. Ironically, the Federal government has been bribing Quebec to stay in the union with transfer payments from Alberta and Albertan oil. Quebec doesn't want a pipeline going through their province but they sure will take the money from oil at a sum of $6,000 in taxes from each man, woman and child in Alberta. Quebec has been a "have not" province since 1965. You are right, as Alberta is no where close to Quebec numbers on any type of separation. J.J. McCullough made a good video on the subject. I believe it's less than 5% of Albertans would vote to separate.

[@sebastiencarrier328]

@@25Soupy Quite the reaction there James for a simple fact statement from David. It's almost funny how often we hear these misleading facts that tend to picture Alberta and most of western Canada as victims of the current federal system. Unfortunately a lot of people can't see beyond them and paint a broader more accurate picture of canadian economics. Alberta benefited a lot from the federal system in the past and if current economic trends continue, it will benefit a lot from it again in the near future. If you want to look at provinces that really gave a lot to the country throughout most of its history, maybe you should look at the atlantic provinces instead. You can't build a country, especially such a large one, without solidarity.

[@daydodog]

@@25Soupy i don't really see how alberta is going anywhere without BC, and we hate 'berta

[@alukuhito]

@@25Soupy Look at your name. It's Scottish. That's why Canadians are interested in Scotland. So many of them have Scottish roots. Heck, even the first PM of Canada was born in Scotland. Trudeau has treated western Canada as it should be treated. Albertans are just spoiled kids. They want to be heard, despite being a small portion of the country's population, so they make up this stuff like they're being discriminated. More like they're a bunch of babies who grew up with a higher standard of living than they deserved due to oil money. One day oil won't be so valuable and Albertans will have to hang their heads in shame and grow up a little.

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

Well, if Alberta gets its independance.. Then surely Quebec will ask for it, the next week.

[@perberger809]

The map showing the EU should have included the EEA as well, to show the complete size of the European economy.

[@falsevacuum4667]

Excellent point. The single market is more than the EU and it's absolutely absurd that the UK won't even consider the so-called "Norway" model.

[@crowbar9566]

Why? 95% of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK. The EU is not relevant.

[@falsevacuum4667]

@@crowbar9566 Nope. Scotland exports about 60% to the rest of the UK, 22% to the EU single market, and 18% abroad.

[@woodlandcreature8857]

@@falsevacuum4667 a lot of Brexit voters wanted the Norway model, but the autocratic EU wouldn't even consider it

[@AndrewStamelakis]

@@woodlandcreature8857 that would be seen as weakness by the EU, no sane EU citizen would want that, you made your bed, time to sleep on it...

[@mithaelreed1995]

Why would they leave? Ireland, Scotland, and England are stronger United than apart it makes no sense of why want independence.

[@gideonmele1556]

They feel unheard in government and like the other two, overpowered by the English majority

[@declanfeeney7004]

@@gideonmele1556 The same could be said about any nation with regional voting patterns. You think the east Germans don't feel unrepresented by the way the west Germans vote?

[@djalland1]

It's probably worth mentioning that one of the main arguments made by the official unionist campaign during the 2014 independence referendum was that independence jeopardised Scotland's EU membership, whereas the Union guaranteed it. The UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, announced the Brexit referendum as a Tory policy within weeks of the vote, and the rest is history.

[@sergioserobcam]

You are pointing out what in my opinion is the key: remainers at Scottish independence referendum were scaremongering about leaving the EU... Now what??

[@paul1979uk2000]

@@sergioserobcam Actually, Scotland wanted to leave the UK union with the intention of rejoining the EU, basically, they wanted away from the UK, not the EU and yes, like Darren said, the UK being part of the EU was a big part of the 2014 vote that kept Scotland in the UK, clearly a lot has changed since then.

[@daveharrison84]

David Cameron was against Brexit. He allowed the Scottish independence referendum because he expected it to fail. He allowed the Brexit referendum because he expected that to fail too.

[@B3RyL]

@@paul1979uk2000 The UK government at the time pressured the EU members to make it clear there would be significant hurdles to Scotland joining the EU, because back then the UK still had a major say in the EU policy. Now the situation is completely different. I'm sure if anyone asked any member state whether they would accept Scotland being fast-tracked into the EU, not a single one would say 'no'. If I was Sturgeon, I'd be flying all over the EU gathering support for fast-tracking Scotland into the EU. If they can fast-track Ukraine's associate status, they can certainly fast-track a former member's re-accession.

[@rogink]

@@B3RyL It's good to know that you are 'sure' no other member state would be worried about Scottish independence. But the reality is that Madrid is paranoid about Catalonia and Basques declaring independence from Spain. France would have similar worries about Corsica.

[@the_grand_tourer]

So pleased to see you cover this. Always respected your geo-political reporting, never expected Scottish independence to show up on your radar. Always good to get an outside view, you'll not find anywhere on the BBC that clearly explains the historical trajectory of Scotland's sovereignty. I grew up in Berwick on Tweed, the town changed hands between England and Scotland thirteen times, it's now English (yet it's football team plays in Scotland), I am very aware of the struggle between the two nations. THANKS ! Note - not Edinburg, but Edinbur or Edinbur~u.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

Edin-bro 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Caitlin7142]

Bro what

[@charlestaylor3027]

@Dave? Better to stay silent and be thought an idiot than to speak out and confirm it.

[@TheErmerm999]

As berwickshire raised myself whats your thoughts on campaigning for berwick to join, Scotland under devloution, free prescriptions, free university, lower council tax, seat at Holyrood,

[@limitlessLtd]

@Dave? its literally the capitol of Scotland, what are you talking about?

[@MrAndrew941]

I’m Scottish and proud to be British, the SNP doesn’t speak for me and nor does Nicola Sturgeon. The SNP vision of scotland is one of isolation and inward looking, small minded and anglophobic. That is not a scotland I want my daughter grown-up in

[@leftifornian2066]

Independence or death Hang your kilt

[@deklore]

I think the biggest misconception this video has is confusing Scotland with the SNP. Liz Truss said it was best to ignore Nicola Sturgeon, not Scotland. Being Scottish liging in Scotland, the vast majority of people i speak to dislike the SNP and think they are completely incompentent. Wasting public funds, a decline in education standards, a worsening of the NHS and throttling funding to Local Councils to a point where they are functioning on a knife edge. As a proud Scot I think its disgusting the way SNP has governed Scotland in the last 15 years. They have ran this country into the ground and we are currently in no position to become independant. Just because the SNP are detestable, please do not equate them with the people of Scotland.

[@SSJfraz]

The vast majority of people you speak to exist in your own little bubble and are not representative of the Scottish population as a whole.

[@Voidwurm1701]

@@SSJfraz that goes for all of us

[@owl5013]

@Deklore Nice to see and hear the opinions of a logical Scott 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿.

[@fsxpilot02]

I think the SNP has governed well, I've seen an NHS protected from privatisation, free university to make us the leading European country on tertiary education. I've seen our child poverty levels decline to the lowest in the islands. Would rather those idiots in the south run our entire affairs?

[@d544]

@@SSJfraz No it's literally a fact that most people don't like the SNP...Which is why they're running a coalition with the green party as they are not big enough to be a majority party on their own.

[@huwenkai440]

Fun fact: Chinese have hoped Scotland to win independence, due to UK backing of Hong Kong protests in 2019-21. Yet Chinese are not sure if Scotland winning independence can bring any benefit for Beijing, for its alignment with an increasingly hostile Europe can be. Plus, don't forget I don't add "government". Because Beijing had no position on it officially.

[@ngolong4070]

I dont see why Scotland wouldn't also support a fellow region seeking autonomy like Hongkong

[@Kriegtime101]

They just hate the government in London and want to see it fail.

[@jonathans8]

help encourage scotland to become a US state, then.

[@lancetheking7524]

@@jonathans8 how about I encourage the U.S. to be a competent global power

[@DeepFriedHaggis741]

@@jonathans8 As a Scot, I'd rather kiss the boots of every Englishman

[@mycommentwilltriggeryou9810]

It would be weird to see the worlds biggest empire ever just to be reduced to half an island a century later.

[@jamielonsdale3018]

Funny enough, TECHNICALLY the British Empire is still an Empire upon which the sun never sets. France never gave up imperialism either. Their longest land border isnt even in Europe... Weird things you likely wouldnt know without specifically researching it.

[@JohnSmith-sl2qc]

@@jamielonsdale3018 Wow a collection of useless rocks. What an empire

[@charlesk22]

Its God's justice being met.

[@km7000]

They still own islands in the Caribbean and have the commonwealth.

[@jordi6795]

There's a map that shows the variation of population of Britain between 1821 and 2019, if it's true, it shows that back then England had about 5 times more population than Scotland while nowadays this proportion is shown to be increased to 10 times more population. I understand that could be argued that the core of such empire would be England, isn't it? If true, could it be argued that the current status of the "Empire" wouldn't be much affected by the independence of Scotland, couldn't it? On the other side, isn't the Commonwealth the evolution of such Empire? In other words, the British Empire simply mutated into a Commonwealth of nations/states, then Scotland would simply remain as a part of it but with the form of a new, independent and sovereign state, wouldn't it? So the empire wouldn't be reduced but "increased" with a new country... 🤔

[@michaelhoodleeder]

I am Scottish but have lived in England for 20 years. I now live back home in Scotland. I was horrified at how English people see Scotland. It is very clear to me that England deliberately holds Scotland down financially. They can't afford politically for Scotland to do well and they will do anything they can to to keep Scotland Poor, dependent. It took me years to realize this. It was a sad realization, because I love the UK. The English are not bad people but Westminster will never help Scotland grow because they are scared of seeing Scotland flourish as we are seeing in Northern Ireland. It's unfortunate but no one in Scotland is trying to end freedom of movement. We just need more power, to free Our children from poverty. Westminster will never help Scotland. I understand that now..

[@BanCommies_Fascists]

Are you unionist or separatist?

[@smith9333]

How do England deliberately hold Scotland down ,simple to state this, elaborate.

[@StormInATeaCup35]

Scotland gets more from the UK than they put in. If Scotland leaves they will have to increase taxes on Scottish citizens in order to maintain the same level of spending. On top of that, 60% of Scottish exports go to the rest of the UK. Only 19% went to the EU for comparison. Scottish independence will leave Scottish people a lot poorer than they are now.

[@tatradak]

Power is power and Whitehall, Westminster and the City of London(Bank of England) live by it...

[@CloudWalkBeta]

Dude,,, you have some very warped view of the UK to come to that conclusion. Lets say you were right even, some elite toffee is holding the scottish people back, do you think these elites treat the average folk in the other areas of england any differently? Half the reason the normal british people even voted to leave in brexit, was purely to spite the ruling class. Yeah they knew it would screw life for us up either way. So honestly, trust me, even if scottish broke away from england, you will never become richer or better off, you would still be ruled by an elite, it would just be a posh scot instead of an english one.

[@KM-pq7sr]

Liz Truss did not say Scotland should be ignored, she only said that Sturgeon should be ignored.

[@mckenziewilliamhowells233]

A clumsy thing to say all the same. How she has reached the political heights she has (& is about to reach even further still) is beyond me. She's an amateur who will sadly make the case for the dissolution of the Union all the stronger.

[@ARCANEmateCLAN]

@@mckenziewilliamhowells233 She had an affair with her mentor when she was new to the party which helped elevate her standing

[@grave5512]

Essentially the same thing, as the people of Scotland elected Nicola Sturgeons party to its position.

[@229andymon]

And who is Sturgeon? She is (unlike Truss) the democratically elected and very popular leader of her country. Are you saying someone advocating “ignoring” the US president is *not* advocating ignoring the US, or China, France etc?

[@229andymon]

@@mckenziewilliamhowells233 That the Tories managed to find some one that will potentially make Bojo look like a statesman took some doing. It’s beyond bizarre.

[@vicarious7858]

Can England section off Westminster like Rome and the Vatican? I think that would solve a lot of problems for the UK.

[@13strange67]

Love to get rid of whinging Nothern tossers !

[@raulduke6953]

Be easier to wall of Scotland frankly and cheaper for the uk

[@michaelbalfour3170]

@@raulduke6953 If you want rid of scots so bad, why not just give them a referendum? What are the English scared of?

[@dannyarcher6370]

I assume you haven't heard of the City of London.

[@alwayslearning7672]

City of London Corporation!! it's been around 1000+ yrs.Has its own laws, mayors, everything.

[@davidbridge5652]

I'm northern English, if Scotland does get independence can you start the border south of Manchester. I'd love to get us away from the corrupt Westminster

[@raulduke6953]

Nah you can just go live in Scotland with the other unemployed we dont have to pay for anymore

[@davidbridge5652]

@@raulduke6953 touched a nerve, must be an MP

[@raulduke6953]

@@davidbridge5652 No a taxpayer .

[@davidbridge5652]

@@raulduke6953 aren't we all

[@raulduke6953]

@@davidbridge5652 Not in Scotland, 5 m population 1 m pensioners . I really hope they leave it will be hilarious

[@chrisholland9124]

Still waiting for one indy supporter to actually show proof Scotland would be better off independent? Not speculation not comparing yourself to another country. Actually proof where is the financial data to prove it?

[@Mothman156]

Edinburgh is pronounced 'Edinburra.' As a North American my Scottish Grandparents hammered that into my head haha.

[@KNG-pc5qd]

we pronounce it edinbruh.

[@lloyd9500]

@@KNG-pc5qd Yes, this is much more accurate than "Edinburra", or even "Edinboro" which I hear often from North Americans. But I think we can all agree that "Edinburg" is utterly abhorrent

[@KNG-pc5qd]

@@lloyd9500 yes ladd

[@Mothman156]

@@lloyd9500 You guys will love this: I'm from Nova Scotia, and the High School I went too was opened the same year Randy Andy graced the earth, hence it was named "Prince Andrew High School". We have an award given to students for superb academic achievement called "The Duke of Edinburgh award". The recipient upon being awarded this in the year I graduated pronounced Edinburgh "Edenburg". I was sitting next to my Glaswegian grand-dad as they miss-pronounced it and he shifted uncomfortably. Honestly it made my day. Also the school has been renamed in light of the Epstein debacle (debacle is being kind).

[@lloyd9500]

@@Mothman156 Edenburg... christ almighty. Surprised your granddad didn't heckle the feller

[@RS-xf8mp]

Scotland will never leave. They are bankrupt, with the worst deficit in Europe. Even worse than Greece. Only the UK giving it tens of billions of subsidies keeps it afloat. It has a 15% deficit. Also look at Scottish exports, which make up a large part of its economy, 75% go to the UK, and a tiny amount to the EU. If a trade barrier went up or if English people stopped buying Scottish goods, which they would if it left, Scotland would be in massive trouble. Also a lot of Scottish jobs are totally reliant on the UK and govt jobs or military shipbuilding. The number of jobs and companies that would leave would wreck Scotland. Especially all its finance and tech companies who have said they would have to move to England. Plus there is no mention of the UK joing the CPTPP trade bloc and India free trade deal soon. These are game changers for Scottish whisky and food exports, where there is a 150% tariff in India on whisky. They would lose this if they left, even if they joined the EU. Plus any new Scottish currency would have to be created. They could not use the pound, and investors would short it immediately wrecking it because of all these issues. There is no way out of that. Plus they would have to fund Scottish pensions not the UK and take on around 200 billion in UK debt. They simply cannot afford it and would go bankrupt. Plus this is ignoring the 1.5 million or so Scots living in the rest of the UK who want the Union. They would have to vote in any second vote. The Snp have a terrible record in office and will eventually lose power, esp when Sturgeon leaves. This video doesn't mention any of these critical points. Also will the EU even exist in 5 to 10 years? It is about to go through its biggest debt crisis, and have anti EU politicians in France soon, and a dying Germany who can't afford to keep paying for the poor members. Plus even if it does exist I doubt they would anger the UK by admitting Scotland. The EU countries that depend on UK defence and intelligence won't allow it, and neither will Spain who doesn't want Catalonia to leave.

[@tuskular]

Exactly, its unfortunate that we have a fairly authoritarian goverment in power who just wont take no for an answer, what we need is more autonomy and an actual ecnomist or something in power rather than socialists to fix our economy, because they just keep spending what we cant afford. Plus weve also lost we used to be good at, we are no longer no.1 for ship building, we no longer have some of the best engineers, economists and mathemeticians, our education system is all we really have of what remains, and even it could be doing so much better, if we just spent our money in a wise manner.

[@franciscruickshank8794]

rs rubbish!the taxes collected in scotland are ,,only a part are returned and do we get subsidised by OUR oil/gas revenue? all our exports go thru englandwhy? thacher! SAOR ALBA

[@RS-xf8mp]

@@franciscruickshank8794 Even with North Sea oil the Scottish deficit is around 15% and it is running out unfortunately. These are just economic arguments. The biggest arguments are that we are countrymen who care about one another and will always help and defend one another. I have lots of Scottish friends who are my tribe. Please dont listen to Sturgeon who wants to spread hate, darkness and division, and wants us to hate one another rather than care about each other. She is only doing it because she wants full power and control of Scotland. We must be better than these politicians who are trying to manipulate us. I am happy for England to help Scotland when it needs help because you will help us when we need it. We will always be there for each other as people and countrymen. I am happy to pay more or sacrifice things if that would help my Scottish countrymen because they will do the same for us. We will always be there for you no matter what.

[@geroutathat]

Thats your plan for scotland, stay in the UK to sell whisky to India? how did selling cars to india work out for jaguar, landrover? Creating a new currency isnt hard, Ireland just created the "punt" when they left, made it equal to the pound, bing bang bosh. You have some legitimate concerns, but its nothing that Ireland didnt face, even now with UK economy struggling Ireland is doing fine. Sure there are concerns about how well the EU will survive, or last, but people have been saying that forever. Spain or the EU wont get involved in what scotland does, they wont even promise scotland can join the EU, they are treating Scotland with respect to make its own choices. Something England should have done. The reality of this is, you want scotland to accept a raw deal, and accept subsidies, and just shut up, because leaving means that if it doesnt work out, they get a raw deal... true, but it would be a raw deal of their own making, not one thrust upon them, and it could even turn out a good deal.

[@yiro6577]

free scotland!🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿♥️

[@miroslavsapara5274]

The big problem with independence is that you can't blame anyone for your own incompetence. Greetings from Czech Republic.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

Czechia is better off than Slovakia.

[@DanksterPaws]

Is this supposed to be a hit to slovakia 👀

[@mr.snaplles5964]

not so subtle dig at slovakia

[@miroslavsapara5274]

@@ronmaximilian6953 Yeah and the most Slovakia know it. Also Czecho-Slovakia wasn´t better than Habsburks empire. In the end, the one who will regret the breakup the most will be Scotland as now do Slovakia.

[@BaxstabberzZ]

@@miroslavsapara5274 Or Scotland will be the next Ireland.

[@andreyg.2388]

SCOTLAND SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT.

[@Greenkiller100]

Shouted for effect. you melt.

[@thokim84]

Scotland leaves the UK and and England takes its place as airstrip one as the five eyes unify into Oceania.

[@TilveranWrites]

Chilling how accurate that could be...

[@randyross5630]

The History of the Scottish People is under Complete Attack by the UK, yeah Scotland should leave, accept all the English and Irish in Scotland Voted No Last Time.

[@idleishde6124]

Airstrip one was Socialist. Or had Socialist roots. Certainly wasn't nationalist given it took the nation's name and history away.

[@zapre2284]

Even though the SNP align perfectly into the Oceana that is the EU

[@SunofYork]

Meanwhile...here in earth 1

[@HistoriaGeopolítica]

Is the dead of Queen Elizabeth going to affect national sentiments in Scotland?

[@erikthomsen4768]

Conceivably. A house that stands on one leg won’t stand at all.

[@davidross5640]

what really matters in the end is that a military alliance remains in all of europe, you can splinter economically but your armies need to all be on the same page.

[@Weisior]

Unfortunately NATO isnt immortal. As a Pole, Id love it to bee that way, but the times change, circumstances change. However one thing does not change - Russia and its aggressive stance against the rest of Europe.

[@jackbedle569]

As a scot that wants independence, we absolutely want to co-operate with both England and NATO no matter what happens. The went for independence isn’t because of hate and we still know the real enemy is east

[@SunofYork]

@@Weisior Polish sausages are not a priority

[@Weisior]

@@SunofYork Ofcourse they are not a priority, hey are a must at the summertime barbeque!

[@alukuhito]

Why? Who's Europe going to fight together? Russia? Russia just has to lob a few nukes and that will be over.

[@steve4562]

Love the background history of the disastrous Darian expedition. This is little known and seldom taught but hugely important.

[@davy2365]

I cannot find it in my heart to think that Darian was anything other than a ploy by the bankers and the english lords to force a long desired union. The english were by that time very well experienced in colonisation and knew well what were the requirements for a successful colony, they had both successful and disastrous examples to reflect upon and for those english bankers who funded this disastrous enterprise made sure that if this ridiculous adventure in disease ridden lands were to fail then scotland would be bankrupted by the fact that all of scotlands' finances were tied up in this folly, whether or not the scottish lords were actively involved will remain unproven but I have the opinion that all wars, bar none, have been class wars.

[@lochring]

This subject was taught when I was at school. The gentry of the time invested heavily in this, but England impeded the venture in every way possible. It was the bankruptcy of these gents, the subsequent sanctions against Scotland, then the bribes that swayed all but one (that one is a true hero of Scotland) of this group to vote for the Union.

[@celdur4635]

@@lochring England encouraged Spanish fears with propaganda, and so the Spanish made life difficult for the Scottish colony, since Spain already had several colonies in the area.

[@j.obrien4990]

The Darian Gap remains a no-mans land, the PanAmerican Highway stretches Across North American all the way through Central and South American with one little section missing -- the Darian Gap.

[@celdur4635]

@@j.obrien4990 Because Panama wants to protect its forests. And what you see is what remains. Spain already had Panama City and Colon, built there. Its how they got the Vice-royalty of Peru's gold and silver, from Callao to Panama and then to Asia or overland to Colon and the Atlantic.

[@heisenstein6392]

I normally love your content, but I'm astonished, to say the least, that you didn't mention the Scottish personal union over England in 1603 - not even once. Sure, economy may have been a factor, but there was a major precursor to the acts of union a century before. Frankly, I'm quite disappointed as your content is usually of high quality. But this felt more of a shallow, bait type of video. Hope you continue to improve and hold yourself to a higher standard. Cheers for the interesting videos though!

[@michaelleiper]

Maybe it's the fact that it didn't go all that well for the family. After all, the English killed his mother. The English killed his son. English Aristocrats (the "immortal 7") invited William of Orange to invade England and depose his grandson. And then after all that, in 1701, the English Parliament removed the Scottish Stuarts from the line of succession, and changed it to be from the descendants of Sophia of Hanover. So when Queen Anne died, Scotland and England would have had different monarchs again. Except that they then bribed the Scottish Parliament to sign the Act of Union before Queen Anne died.

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

Act of union is context that should've been included, but it's irrelevant to the modern debate. The economy is however a different story.

[@redbeam9212]

"Canada's Alberta region has some separatist tendencies". *Quebec has left the chat*

[@communistpoultry]

#FreeTibet #FreeXinjiang #FreeHongKong #TaiwanIsACountry #SouthChinaSeaDoesntBelongToChina #FreeInnerMongolia

[@Lusa_Iceheart]

Amen!

[@juliantheapostate8295]

I would never normally support a bot but this is an exception

[@communistpoultry]

@@juliantheapostate8295 Lol, I'm not a bot haha

[@helpimstuck9410]

Proud Scot here, Edinburgh is pronounced: “Edin-buruh” or “Edin-bruh” not “Edinburg”. Great video as always 🤙🏽🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

Auld Alliance 🇫🇷🤝🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Rejoin the EU 🇪🇺 if your economy is not crumbling down Get your Independance and join the Republic. Make your own Constitutions.

[@piedrablanca1942]

@@christophermichaelclarence6003 háblale en francés

[@dilly7551]

Imagine leaving a union just to join an even worse “union”

[@Wehdeo]

Edin-*bruh*

[@Wehdeo]

Edin-*bruh*

[@Just_a.Fightfan]

Northern Ireland also wanted to stay in the EU. If Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 leaves Northern Ireland will also leave

[@Capt.Thunder]

Liz Truss was saying to ignore the SNP, rather than ignore Scotland. Even a large number of Scottish people hate Nicola Sturgeon (and her successor, Humza Yousef). It's perfectly natural to ignore them, they are a disgrace, and their incompetence is arguably undermining the case for independence.

[@Capt.Thunder]

@harrtybb You're really out of touch, but I don't blame you. The Tory party have done all that they can to not carry out Brexit, so of course it looks insane to you, the Tories are not a serious party and never have been. And the SNP are a joke of a party, just like the Tories. However, the Scottish wish for independence isn't a joke, just like the British desire for independence isn't a joke. That's why I made the distinction. But I don't know why you're so enamoured of being governed by an undemocratic unaccountable foreign superstate (the EU), yet hate the idea of being part of the UK. At least in the UK, you get a disproportionate amount of funding, a decent amount of autonomy on social policy, and most of your trade was with us anyway prior to Brexit. It doesn't change very much at all for you, compared to what leaving the UK would be. Brexit is about rejecting foreign technocratic rule and returning power to the people. But many Celts unfortunately have communism and despotism in their blood or something, so many of them seemingly can't (or more accurately, don't want to) understand nationalism, liberty, tradition or personal responsibility. They, like you, consider it "madness". I don't think I'll ever understand why.

[@dw620]

At the end you mention NI joining with Eire to "for Ireland to reclaim independence". Ireland was NEVER a unified, independent country, it was only unified after the Tudors got involved.

[@rantymcrant-pants9536]

It's almost like most people actually do not understand the history of these islands and like to assume the England is just an oppressive force...

[@gaz9957]

@@rantymcrant-pants9536 It's almost like England has invaded, occupied and oppressed ever part of these islands at one point...

[@chrisreed4065]

@@rantymcrant-pants9536 To be fair England was an oppressive force, as for history India wasn't a unified country until the EEC took it over so that argument is bunk.

[@oliverkelly2908]

Not to mention there was that "minor" event - The Troubles - that only lasted 60 years or so... Where one faction wants to remain in the UK and will fight/terrorise even the British state/government to remain a part of Britain.

[@sueyourself5413]

@@rantymcrant-pants9536 England is just an oppressive force.

[@frankwitte1022]

I think two important elements of the 2014 Independence Referendum were missed in the video: [1] The pro-independence vote was polling significantly lower before the 2014 campaign began than it is currently polling. As a result it is thoroughly possible that a renewed campaign will this time pull it over the finish line. [2] In the 2014 "Better Together" campaign against independence the possible loss of EU membership for an independent Scotland played an important role, to the point that campaigners were suggesting that if Scotland wanted to remain in the EU then they had to remain within the UK. It took England just 2 years to rip up that "promise" and leave the EU nonetheless. The strongest and most convincing "Better Together" campaigners in 2014 were Labour and LibDem politicians. For them to join a "Tory-led" campaign against independence in 2023 would be much more politically complicated. Scottish Labour and LibDem however have lost very significant influence. With Liz Truss seemingly certain to become the next British PM, the Scottish Yes campaign in 2023 will have an ideal British PM an opponent. She's not only certain to alienate Scottish voters across the political spectrum, but she is also certain to be confrontational towards Ireland and the EU, and she leads a party of which polling shows consistently that it does consider "losing Scotland" a fair price to pay for a more radical version of Brexit". I think the 2023 referendum is going to be significantly harder to win for a campaign against independence than the 2014 one.

[@alvaromneto]

The 2014 referendum didn't have the disastrous brexit looming over. I suspect the results would be fairly different if not solely because of that.

[@guntguardian3771]

@@alvaromneto They also didn't have a 12% deficit and the oil industry wasn't declining like it currently is.

[@wavell14]

@@alvaromneto disastrous brexit hahaha talk me through that one

[@wavell14]

Literally nobody voted in 2014 with the EU in mind. Like absolutely nobody.

[@markhalliday2397]

@@wavell14 have you asked absolutely everybody that or are you basing that on your own opinion???

[@abhishekdev258]

"Independence" from what? Scottland isn't a colony, Scottish people also get to choose what happens to English, Irish & Welsh. It is more like breaking away from a country.

[@ameytiwari1247]

they are breaking away from a union of countries

[@Zoco101]

Of course Scotland will break away - that's how these things work. Nothing lasts forever, particularly not unions where one or more partners are getting a raw deal. The only question in my mind is: When? Will Scotland suffer (short term) from leaving Britain? Yes, of course! But Iike I said, nothing lasts forever. Now here's a mischievous (half serious) thought: Maybe Scotland and Ireland should form a new Union. That would really irritate the English nationalists, and it might get Scotland straight back into the EU. After its Brexit mistakes, England would deserve such a humiliation.

[@Zoco101]

@Nathaniel Garro Yeah I've heard all of these imperialist arguments before. They rhyme with "North Sea oil will run out", but it doesn't and it doesn't; "the Irish could never govern themselves", but they do; "India and Australia need British rule", but no, now we see that they don't. We shall see who gets what with N Sea oil after the split. At the moment it's making the English rich. As, I said, it will hurt at first, but don't overestimate the importance of England and Wales. You mentioned important trade with Ireland, but that can only get easier for a country that joins the EU. Many West Germans didn't want to reunite with East Germans, but it happened, and virtually everybody now realises that it was natural and necessary. It is much more natural for Ireland to be united than for the north to remain a part of the UK. And even if for some technical reason it is impractical, it will happen anyway. Resisting the inevitable is stupid. If by any chance you are a Scot or an N Irishman, you need to look in the mirror and open your eyes to your country's future. The future is much more than some pessimistic economic forecast.

[@alessandrorossi7135]

An interesting thing is a possible cascade effect. If Scotland did it, what of Ireland? What of Québec? All of the separationists regions would have a recent precedent to point to.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

The more separated regions, the better. Big govs are a disaster as much as Church-State was in the past.

[@josephturner4047]

I think NI will join the Republic. I'm not sure Dublin really wants it at the moment. Gonna be very expensive.

[@GCarty80]

@@soulsphere9242 Could Northern Ireland potentially join Scotland in a modern-day resurrection of Dál Riata, especially when most of the Protestant population of Northern Ireland is of Scottish rather than English origin?

[@lasansr]

probably Texas too

[@TheLouisianan]

@@josephturner4047 I think the reason it won't is because Northern Ireland's demographics were changed drastically. When it was Irish it was a notoriously underpopulated area that the English and Scottish settled into and created the plantation system which is why it's considered a protestant area today. NI isn't really that "Irish" and hasn't been for a few hundred years now.

[@wilhelmbittrich88]

The UK government should NOT allow another referendum. They already gave them a chance, and they said no. You don’t just allow referendums whenever you think it’s going to tilt the other way. How ridiculous. So if they voted to become independent next year, and the polling in 2025 showed that Scots want reunification, will they just hold another referendum to rejoin the UK? Is that how this works?

[@walalo2762]

You fight for your freedom ☺

[@MrKeithblair]

The one thing absolutely guaranteed if there is another independence vote, is a dis-united Scotland as the divide appears to be currently in the region of 50/50.

[@EvenWaysMusic]

Very good point

[@riskinhos]

they might as well vote to join EU in the same referendum

[@williamharwood6139]

That divide already exists though 🤷‍♂️ arguably the continuation of the UK is more divisive as everyone in Scotland thinks of themselves as Scottish but only half think of themselves as British.

[@MrKeithblair]

@@williamharwood6139 Exactly the same divide exists in other parts of the UK. People in Wales think of themselves as Welsh first and British second. People in England think of themselves as English first and British second. It's even more pronounced in places like Cornwall where they think of themselves as Cornish first, English second and British third. So, there's nothing unusual about the parochial opinions in Scotland. The only difference in other parts of the UK is that they don't have senior politicians trying to stir up dissent and discord.

[@MorningNapalm]

The split is present, vote or not.

[@Radictor44]

It's funny that the SNP moan about independence, when England has no government. Take a thought about that.

[@Lala-kc2fw]

They do, it's a "Care taker" government

[@politics4304]

I am Scottish and I support independence!

[@piseag458]

Independence is normal

[@shukracharya_]

it will benefit Scotland look at Ireland, Iceland, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark all of Scotland small neighbours have very high quality of life compared to Scotland

[@shukracharya_]

@@piseag458 true

[@piseag458]

@@shukracharya_ Luxembourg has less than a million popn and has highest GDP in Europe, don't forget baltics Latvia, Estonia.. ✌😊

[@carolinejohnson985]

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[@EduardoSilva-ig9ye]

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[@EduardoSilva-ig9ye]

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[@kwansvl3766]

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[@juliusowen9717]

I'm not surprised seeing Mrs Cathie Wood being mentioned here. Mrs Cathie Wood is good and everyone love her qualifications and genuine services. I guess that's what she was born to do.

[@ameliawilliams8522]

Good to see how you guys came up here to show kind appreciation to Mrs Cathie Wood.

[@astree214]

Scots : we want independence ! Brits : if you do so, you'll leave the EU market ! Scots : ok, vote NO to independence Albion : brexit

[@Tragantar1310]

perfidious albion is at it again

[@malcolmstead272]

Scots are Brits!

[@toothlesstherussain]

The EU referendum was announced before 2014 froggo.

[@kyzantia8884]

Also leaving the EU was never the reason against independence, this is just SNP retconning propaganda

[@georgemacdonald3087]

@@toothlesstherussain The EU referendum took place in 2015.

[@Pax.Britannica]

12:00 No one was ridiculing Scotland. Liz Truss wasn't ridiculing Scotland. Everyone with half a brain however, ridicules Sturgeon.

[@jebbo-c1l]

oh please she's the most respectable political leader in the UK by a huge margin

[@Pax.Britannica]

@@jebbo-c1l Kek, enjoy your independent nation where kitchen table speech is monitored by big sister for "hate words".

[@V-O-V]

Make no mistake economically this would be utterly suicidal for Scotland. The reason they can offer all their lovely social programs is because they run a 9% yearly deficit on their budget paid for by the rest of the country. 60% of trade out goes to the UK and 67% of imports comes from the UK. To rejoin they would need to put up a hard border. But somehow scot nats will tell you that wont matter. All of this doesn’t even answer the currency question, pensions (they wont be handed over) or the austerity they will have to go through to meet EU demands. Scot Nats want to have their cake and eat it too but fail to realise they have very little areas of negotiation. They’ve been sold a pipe dream.

[@graemeglass7566]

Aye, keep up the click bait material, sonny!!

[@guntguardian3771]

@@graemeglass7566 You're calling official Scottish government statistics clickbait, way to talk Scotland down Graeme!

[@prophetmuhammad5019]

@V-O-V Everyone know that it's a bad decision financially, but why do you assume that money is the only thing people care about?

[@graemeglass7566]

The deficit is in the GERS report but GERS is an account of finances of Scotland whilst still in the UK. Scotland gets allocated a portion of UK costs "For" Scotland, like Defence, GCHQ, MI5/6, Foreign military bases and embassies, HS2 etc etc. Ie Defence allocation is £3 billion, yet Eire only spend £1.1 billion on defence. It is padded and biased in favour of the Union.

[@graemeglass7566]

@@prophetmuhammad5019 Why is a bad decision financially? Look at the UK treasury £2 Trillion in debt. And what for? The rich get richer and squirrel their money offshore. The poor get poorer. Only growth is foodbanks and homeless people. Tory policy are based on wealth. Landowners renting to people at toxic rates. Leasehold mortages which is a con because when the lease runs out the property isn't yours. Of the whole UK, Scotland has - 8.5% population BUT..... 32% of the land area. 61% of the sea area. 90% of the fresh water. 65% of the natural gas production. 96.5% of the crude oil production. 47% of the open cast coal production 81% of the untapped coal reserves 62% of the timber production 46% of the total forest area 92% of the hydro electric production 40% of the wind wave and solar energy production 60% of the fish landings Then add great universities, highest % of 25-55 age people in or had tertiary education, vast banking and investment skills, Whisky industry etc etc. I believe Scotland will manage just fine. England not so much.

[@New-ye2fl]

Sooner the better 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@sharadjain2463]

I am from India and we are with you, scotland will get freedom from United Kingdom and northern ireland also.

[@Rafale01]

I hope for you from France.

[@tryaluck]

​@@sharadjain2463how about you stop stirring shit up and worry about your own country and build some sewers and toilets. And while you're at it, take back all the Indians living in England.

[@tryaluck]

​@@Rafale01why are you stirring shit up with a country that played a large part in saving your country in WW2, while you cozy up with the country that invaded you?

[@lecturesfromleeds614]

Speaking as someone from England, I believe Scotland will leave the UK, and I wouldn't blame them for doing so. This Tory government is making it impossible to justify staying in the UK. The British government allowed Northern Ireland to have a better trade deal with the EU than Scotland, if the government can't at least offer the same compromise for Scotland, then that just proves it's not a union of equals. Northern Ireland gets full access to the EU market while Scotland doesn't, even though they wanted no part of Brexit

[@Leo-sx1ds]

So you want a hard border between Scotland and England?

[@georgevirtus]

I don't want this to happen. The world is suffering at the moment. Im my opinion as soon as Scotland declares independence, then they'll have a hard time.

[@georgevirtus]

@Kyle Who?

[@616ShadowFox]

Honestly I think the whole of the UK should declare independence from London, leave the Tories to their hellscape

[@georgevirtus]

@@616ShadowFox Bruh, just oust the Tories.

[@crowbar9566]

For any of you non-Brits here who think this is remotely possible...it's not. And we've reached peak Nat last year and the Union will be around anther 300 years. An Rìoghachd Aonaichte gu brath

[@Pumpherstonsmith]

Quisling

[@crowbar9566]

@@Pumpherstonsmith Traitor

[@markhalliday2397]

No Tories = no brexit ; no brexit = no second independence referendum. Before anyone blames NS or the SNP, try blaming the fecking Tories.

[@K2ELP]

Being Scottish means a lot to me

[@mistycloud4455]

Scott has zero terrorist attack leaving would allow Scotland to create a unified cultured society

[@themk4982]

Based

[@deiniolbythynnwr926]

Your bias is really showing in this video.

[@j.obrien4990]

The Welsh are about 20 years behind Scotland in seeking independence, and within England itself the English aren't happy with the current governing setup as London does care about York, Liverpool, Manchester, etc. Although the short-term effects may be bad for Scotland, many small nations like Ireland that trade heavily with GB are very successful economically. The trend in Scotland is towards independence especially since younger Scots are much more simpathetic to independence. Having recently watched your video on how Brexit would lead to the UK being a huge success and the EU falling apart, well I'm still waiting.

[@Knight_Kin]

Well if they break up the UK then it won't be such a good market for Ireland to export to as it'll lose a lot more economic potential than anything Brexit could have accomplished, which is debatable how much the UK actually lost from that (some slight reduction in near term GDP growth, but a breakup would be a nominal, large reduction in GDP)

[@nre1553]

Us Welsh are sick of our Assembly and dont forget we voted Brexit.

[@s.r.howell1297]

@@nre1553 You don't speak for all of us.

[@nre1553]

@@s.r.howell1297 No just the majority!

[@michaelleiper]

@@nre1553 Oxford University says that Wales was swung from a remain vote by the votes of English retirees living in Wales.

[@ThistleTheSocialist]

There is many societal differences between Scotland and England in the modern day. Scotland is a progressive nation wishing to carve it's own path, it should be allowed to. FREEDOM.

[@graemeglass7566]

Independence referendum in 2014 was ambitious to say the least. In 2013 the YES movement was only polling 31% - 32%. By September the 14th it rose to 45% and this was the eventual result in the referendum. Today in 2022 the polls are virtually 50% YES and NO, with no real independence campaigning started. Covid and the current energy crisis has reduced the focus. However demographics have relentlessly moved towards a YES vote. In 2023 if the referendum goes ahead there will be 9 years of new young voters who are polling 70% YES and don't but into the old image of the UK Union. Similarly, there will 9 years of older voters who have died(accelerated by Covid) who have polled at 65% NO. Also we have all those EU Remainers who voted NO in 2014 because "Better Together" lied about staying in the EU. Of course the final reason is the Current Conservative government and what will be 13 years of austerity which has seen the UK destroyed for ordinary people. Scotland wants and deserves better.

[@guntguardian3771]

Graeme, the Sustainable Growth Commission the SNP released produced a very rosey - and ultimately incorrect - view of Scottish finances if Independent in 2018, and they called for over a decade of austerity worse than the UK had ever undergone. So how does Independence get you better?

[@graemeglass7566]

@@guntguardian3771 You call this shit show better? Your standards must really be low. I have read that report and there is no phrase, paragraph relating to a decade of austerity. Go peddle your lies elsewhere. 62 countries have had there independence from UK, most with less natural and intellectual resources that Scotland has. I think we will mange just fine.

[@connorlee9007]

Scotland won't get better though lol They won't be in the EU for a long time, they'll have a hard border with England AND a hard border in the Irish Sea, Westminster will completely screw them over in all negotiations and retains control of the pound which Scotland will have to use after independence to start off with Things will be very very bad for Scotland if it leaves, you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise

[@graemeglass7566]

@@connorlee9007 Really? so negative Connor, Why so sad? We will manage just fine. Just like the other 62 countries would have got independence from the UK.

[@guntguardian3771]

@@graemeglass7566 standard nat spangle response. Amazingly stupid.

[@regarded9702]

"even the most zealous Scottish nationalists admit [that independence would be devastating for their economy]" I fucking wish, I keep seeing people saying that the EU would wave a magic wand and make all the downsides disappear

[@graemeglass7566]

Click bait mate. Try reading a book for a change, it might grow your brain a wee bit.

[@accountreality1988]

@@graemeglass7566 eu is an Franco German project they do not care about Scotland only dividing the uk and making the British people weaker.

[@graemeglass7566]

@@accountreality1988 Aye, go peddle that crap somewhere else.

[@accountreality1988]

@@graemeglass7566 lol all eu policy is aim at expanding french and German interest hence why they supported Russia and shilled for Europe to become more reliant on russian dinosaur juice in the last 30 years. if it was up to eastern European countries they would never of let this happen. i am glad 30% of the uk's energy comes from wind turbines at least electricity will be a little cheaper then gas this year. already got two electric heaters. all i am going to use gas for is to heat my water. thanks eu for the awful energy policy pushed hard by German interest groups (i will give France some slack they had the foresight to invest in nuclear while everyone else succumbed to German interests and removed their nuclear plants too bad the french let the German take the reins in regards to eu greater energy policy).

[@accountreality1988]

@Jon uk has higher wages then most of Europe outside Germany and the Nordic states.

[@geektome4781]

And in 2014, the Scottish parliament lowered the voting age to 16 in order to push the vote towards independence.

[@noodlyappendage6729]

And they let foreign 16 year old who were in prison vote.

[@amitkenan3878]

Jesus Christ

[@d.jparer5184]

The short answer is no, the long answer is definitely no.

[@LordofMetal100]

As a Scot, I'm ashamed to say that we appear to be the spoiled child of the union... the fact that independence is still taken seriously anymore just blows my mind.

[@KingdomRepublic]

Hi, may i ask you what do you mean? Do you mean that independence should be taken as granted and no need to even speak about it? Or do you mean that independence is a silly idea? If so why?

[@LordofMetal100]

@@KingdomRepublic I mean that independence would be the worst thing possible to happen to Scotland. Aside from the main arguments in favour of both economic and political stability, it shouldn't be lost on anyone that our ancestors have shed their blood side by side with Englishmen, Welshmen (and Irishman for that matter!) and as far as I'm concerned, we're all the same people at the end of the day with beautiful idiosyncrasies unique to each region. I don't much care for a Glasgow crowd, seemingly always full of students, screaming for independence without one of them being able to give concise answers as to how to how they would navigate the economic and political pitfalls it would bring. It's as absurd to me if the same lunacy were to be replicated down in Yorkshire for its own independence, with mainstream media outlets giving credence to and actually entertaining the idea. Am I proud to be Scottish? Of course! Am I proud to be British? Even more so.

[@josm1481]

Very articulately put. It's ironic that those who talk of unity can so easily ignore the world wars and other massive world events that the nations of the island stood and worked together to overcome.

[@nre1553]

@@LordofMetal100 So true, and now we all need each other more than ever!

[@AaronMcHale]

For me, as a Scot, I simply don’t identify as British anymore. That’s saying something given I voted “no” in 2014, but given the choice in 2023, I’d now vote “yes”. I fully agree that the historical context is important, but we must look to the future, and I just don’t see any positives to the UK anymore. I, as a proud Scot, want Scotland to take its place on the European and world stage, along side our other similarly-sized neighbours, like the Irish and Dutch, to play an active role in European politics, working side by side and leading on the important issues of the future. Considering that by all metrics Scotland is a successful country, going forward as renewables becomes even more important, we are perfectly positioned to take full advantage of that, we are already seeing huge investment into our on and off-shore renewable industries. I believe Scotland has the potential to do what Norway did with oil, and become a wealthy European nation.

[@Dayl_Adams]

Scotland could rebuild and hopefully be as rich as Norway, we have the assets, we have something special. we need this to progress as a country, as a culture, to keep our identity like our ancestors once did. we need more freedom so that we can progress into a more technological and sustainable country.

[@bennshephard8682]

Scotland would never be as rich as Norway, you’d become a backwater like Moldova 😂

[@Dayl_Adams]

@@bennshephard8682 Scotland essentially has the same raw resources as Norway, near enough the same population too, stay mad

[@abcdefksohfosuh9024]

The reason Norway is so rich is because it owns 1.5% of the worlds shares, that is an insane amount.

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@Dayl_Adams no it doesn't. Nor does resources equal wealth as seen by literally everywhere. You also lack the skills and capital and government protection and power of westminster, to secure favorable deals. Lol you may not be mad, you certainly aren't smart.

[@kordellswoffer1520]

You don't have the assets. You're culture isn't anymore safe outside of the union, without the union large groups of people will just up and leave the country at a greater level than ever before. The snp has been cutting and hurting freedoms of scotland for years. You're a fool.

[@zlosliwa_menda]

The question is how will the European Union fare in a twenty years time?

[@ian2372]

The smaller and more local the government the better for the common man. William Wallace would never accept an England crown.

[@mrrandom1265]

Don't underestimate the many countries who would "punish" a newly independent Scotland for fear to see their own county divided by independentist movements.

[@charlesk22]

The EU members will show their teeth then, and people will be surprised lol. I agree brexit may have been negative, but everyone conveniently forgets how the EU spent months, nearly a year, demonizing and punishing Britain for what, regardless of it being right or wrong, was a decision made democratically by the populace free and fairly, even had an orchestra with EU funding literally do a tour calling it "a betrayal" (betrayal to who???). Everyone seems to have forgotten about it except those who saw it all happen and remember it vividly.

[@One.Zero.One101]

Wow I didn’t know the UK was performing so poorly compared to other european 1st world nations. What a downfall and i can understand the scots for wanting to leave.

[@m.g.3013]

Full of shit, you are.

[@jono_cc2258]

Odd statement since the only people that might have a gripe are the Spanish and they've said on numerous occasions they have no issues with Scotland becoming independent provided they follow the correct legal process. What other countries of note would want to punish Scotland? I honestly can't think of any.

[@ninianstorm6494]

dark reason fbi claim russia hack george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support = 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIW0ZHdnlpKdaJI 2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZ7Ve4V-rMeJfZo

[@normanlazarus1836]

It is an undisputed fact that the EU single market is much bigger than that of the UK. So how come that after 40 years of having access to this market by virtue of the UK’s EU membership Scotland’s biggest trading partner is still England, Ireland & Wales? It would seem that opportunity & actuality are very different things.

[@legopenguin9]

because scotland's nearest countries are england, ireland and wales, trade deals are a westminster thing and scotland is still very much politically intertwined with the rest of the uk. ireland did just fine after disconnecting from the uk and transitioned from having the uk as their biggest trading partner to the eu despite being geographically further away from it. maybe scotland isnt trading with the eu because not only can they just not choose to, brexit has made trading with the eu a bigger headache than it was before. maybe think about things for 5 seconds before you post next time thanks

[@jk-gb4et]

Cuz it’s the same country... what don’t u get

[@delos2279]

That's because of geography. But it's interesting you list Ireland separately from the EU since it's an independent country in the EU, not the UK.

[@TilveranWrites]

I imagine it's 'cos England is the breadbasket that feeds Scotland. I'm from a farming county myself, so I'm familiar with England's bounty. And surely it's easier to get something by road from England than by shipping across the seas. How much of that would change with a hard land-border, like the chaos down in Dover? Well, suddenly the ships might look easier!

[@normanlazarus1836]

@@legopenguin9 I actually thought about it for more than 5 seconds unlike you. My greater than 5 seconds reasoning for asking was to question the rhetoric (from the SNP & in particular Nicola Sturgeon) that the potential of the EU market is now important whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that the vastly larger market that the EU controls had not been exploited by Scotland in the last 40 years (whilst being a member of the EU). Your reply talks about: Westminster trade deals (Scotland has been able to trade freely with the EU for the last 40 years, it has chosen not to). I did not mention Ireland (NI or RoI) so your reference in this case is irrelevant. I did not ask about trade following Brexit, I asked about trade for the 40 years prior to Brexit. Your resistance to actually addressing the issue that I raised rather than obfuscating indicates that 5 seconds thought is not enough.

[@TvehX]

"Brexit has also been a disaster for the Scottish economy ... whose effects are only now being felt" So, the effects of a vote in 2016 with immediate policy changes has taken Scotland's booming growth of 1-2%, in line with the rest of the UK and Europe, to a shockingly low 1-2% year over year, in exact line and step with the rest of the UK and Europe, with the government of Scotland estimating 1-3% growth per annum over the coming decade, which is significantly different from the 1-3% they have estimated yearly for the last three decades. Where exactly is this disaster in the numbers?

[@quartzking3997]

Brexit was only actually put into effect on the 1st January 2020, and it’s earliest economic impacts were masked by the pandemic which caused economic hardship all over the world. Now that we’re exiting the pandemic the faults of Brexit are becoming clear to see

[@TvehX]

@@quartzking3997 masked by the pandemic to match the rates seen for twenty years and pre-brexit estimates?

[@quartzking3997]

@@TvehX you can tell that to the empty shelves on your next shopping trip buddy

[@TvehX]

@@quartzking3997 Not accurate and as if that isn't the case all across the West and North American right now to the same or a worse extent.

[@quartzking3997]

@@TvehX if you think the dozen mile long queues at Dover aren’t impacting consumer logistics then you are simply delusional and it’s not worth my time talking to you

[@Necrokhanthemad]

The Scottish government DID NOT call it a once in a generation opportunity and claiming it did is simply incorrect.

[@jonathanrotem251]

Salmond and other Scottish leaders actually did call it a once in a generation opportunity, and a quick Google search could have told you that very easily. The quotes are there for all to see.

[@fuzzle9392]

It was just a soundbite, it wasn't entered into any legally signed documents, so it has no legal basis in law.

[@henrywalters4251]

Why does everyone on KZbin push the Panama colony as the reason for the act of Union, Scotland and England had been merging their legal systems for nearly a century leading up to this and in reality Scotland had been administered as part of England since the civil war

[@crose7412]

@Henry Walters Even to this day, Scotland has its own legal system so they certainly haven't merged at all.

[@henrywalters4251]

@@HerewardWake the act of the union was basically just confirming reality. the act of the union was the first law tabled in the first session of the 1604 parliament and was rejected because the English wanted to slowly merge the two countries legal code and court system . the reality was that Scottish autonomy basically ended after the civil war when it was administered as part of the Major General system

[@henrywalters4251]

@@crose7412 no the modern Scottish legal system is only 20 years old, before that Scotland and England had been administered as one country since the 1640s

[@crose7412]

@@henrywalters4251 Cobblers.

[@henrywalters4251]

@@crose7412 care to elaborate?

[@whatwhat3432523]

If i were a Scot i would eat the losses happily. As a Norwegian i would never accept being in a union with England, its a mini republican USA, and its getting worse and worse.

[@Lusa_Iceheart]

As an American, I'd like to point out that our Left/Right Liberal/Conservative scale simply does not match up to the European version. It's like Imperial and Metric units, we're speaking about the same general concepts but not at all the same measurements. Scales for stuff in the US are also simply massive compared to Europe. For example, just the Burroughs of New York City has a population larger than Norway and several US states would have GDPs big enough to land on the top 20 global list if they were their own countries. Taking just the two-lane interstate highway network, that's enough asphalt to pave the entire surface area of Germany over into a parking lot. Each state could easily be a nation (they're all structured like that too). Our political system has to be different to Europes simply b/c it has to cover such a radically wider scope of people, cultures, regions, ideas, ect. How do you manage water conservation in the desert? Does your health system have to deal with malaria b/c of swamplands? How do you accommodate immigrants with non-European backgrounds (other than sticking them into ghettos)? Do you manage the worlds largest transcontinental transportation network? How do you do that efficiently with taxpayer funds? Yeah, we have a lot of circumstances that make our politics unique and we have a lot of differing opinions on how to do it all. 330 million people makes for a lot of voices to be heard. So we operate on a completely different political scale of measurement. A 'British conservative' looks nothing like an American Conservative and a 'Scottish Liberal' looks nothing like an American Liberal.

[@ScottishRoss27]

I want to implement the Norwegian Hytte in Scotland

[@diligentone-six2688]

Politics in America and the UK are too different.

[@Psyk60]

Kind of ironic describing English politics as "republican", considering all the major parties support the monarchy. I know you're making a comparison to the USA's republican party rather than literally saying they support a republic. But it's still a bit of funny irony.

[@whatwhat3432523]

@Laurance Thats not a result of that. Population size have nothing to do with how good a country is😂 conpared to other regions with a similar size and Population, the scandinavian countries are insanely influential.

[@Toys510]

The reliance on the slogan, ‘once in a generation’ was just that, a slogan. It’s got the same constitutional standing as the £350 million for the NHS per week on a bus and it doesn’t invalidate the results of a future referendum. If the House of Commons votes to simply refuse to grant a second referendum to the Scots Government elected with a mandate to hold such a referendum then they will be changing the Union of the United Kingdom from one based on consent to one that survives only by force of law.

[@bobpage6597]

Except the NHS is actually being given £394 million a week, so, its actually getting more than what was promised.

[@davidrichardson5482]

Not really, though both were slogans, once in a generation is not the same as 'we could do this'. Also all unions' governments survive by force of law - the entire UK can't be held to ransom every few years by one part of it ad infinitum.

[@jacksonmiller2886]

On the other hand, holding a "will the nation split in half" referendum every few years would completely undermine the legitimacy of the state.

[@alois9206]

@@davidrichardson5482 Bro the UK constitution is litteraly gentlemen rules

[@davidrichardson5482]

@@alois9206 cheers bro

[@crossmaster77]

Damn, The British Empire broke so hard now it is not able to held an island together.

[@REALASUNDER]

Did he just say edin-burg? It's pronounced edin-burh

[@thegreenlandshark6086]

Yup gave me a good chuckle

[@neemapaxima6116]

Brah

[@tony16991]

It's pronounced how the rest of the world pronounces it. Its edin-burg.

[@tbr7035]

@@tony16991 I appreciate the nuances of language are probably a bit complicated for some people, but its pronounced how the locals pronounce it. Do you pronounce Borough as Burg as well, because that would make you look particularly stupid. Even the rest of the germanic languages don't pronounce Burg the same

[@POTATOEH81]

Isn't it edin-bruh : 💀

[@ekksoku]

As an Englishman, I'm rooting for Scottish independence. I favour decentralisation. And it means less SNP influence in parliament.

[@silverhost9782]

I feel the same way tbh

[@juliantheapostate8295]

Understandable. I'm Scottish and they do my head in

[@ekksoku]

@@juliantheapostate8295 Only thing I feel bad for mate, is the Scots who'll be even less powerless against the SNP if you leave - but hopefully, there will become multiple Scottish parties and you can become represented.

[@markmuller7962]

I'd assume that right now, after a global pandemic and during a terrible war in Europe a referendum for independence would fail. People seeks stability in times of crisis

[@quartzking3997]

Why should a war hundreds of miles away and a virus that most people are now vaccinated against have any impact on holding a referendum? If anything, a larger state aggressively imposing its will on its smaller neighbour should encourage independence.

[@markmuller7962]

@@quartzking3997 I'd be a little bit patient and wait some times before holding a referendum if I was in you

[@markmuller7962]

@Kyle Well you've lost the last referendum, all I'm saying is that crisis and fear are not rational thoughts/emotions so people may vote with their guts and make you lose again which would be 2 times in a row which would equal a disaster for your cause

[@markmuller7962]

@Kyle Dude first of all chill out, I'm not English lmao I'm Italian and Swiss, I sound "condescending" because I'm pretty much neutral about the subject and all I'm formulating are rational sociological analysis for the sake of rational sociological analysis because I like sociology a lot but then you and the other hysterical racoon kids here on KZbin gank me like the Scottish independence enemy number one... ffs what's wrong with youtube comments? Probably the demographics. And I probably should mute every further reply on this comment because unlike you kids my free time is very limited.

[@Trioptic3D]

Scotland leaves UK; England, Whales, and N. Ireland, file a referendum to join Scotland. Looks like we're right back to square one.

[@ThePilgrimLad]

I urge all Scottish nationals to remember that the English man is not your enemy, but your friend. Westminster is not the wisest, nor is it the most caring, but that's not likely to last forever. Times will change, governments come and go, Scotland is and will be heard. Do not consider that the English man is your foe; as we share these beautiful isles together in a union that has lasted hundreds of years. Think with your head and your heart, the British people are stronger together.

[@charlesk22]

Says the people who committed atrocity on Scots like in the massacre of Glencoe. You are foes, don't kid yourself and rewrite history.

[@ThePilgrimLad]

@@charlesk22 What an ignorant reply - that's like saying you're responsible for all of the sins of your ancestors. I suggest you find more people to talk to this about.

[@PeIeus]

Much as I agree and want the UK to remain intact, even I admit it is a worrying development

[@laserwolf65]

The UK: "Why does the US give rural, less populated areas disproportionate political power in their Congress and Electoral College?" The US: "Because otherwise, the big population centers will dominate the small ones. It's a tyranny of the majority." The UK: "That's dumb as shit." BREXIT HAPPENS!!!!! Scottland and N. Ireland: "Why do we let big population centers dominate the smaller ones? This is a tyranny of the majority!" The US: "You don't say..."

[@DukeofTxtspeak]

BuT aMeRiCa hAs GuNs! We CaN't Do WhAt AmErIcA dOeS!

[@brett8674]

Quick lesson on UK demographics Scotland has a population of around 5.4 million England 56 million, wales 3.4 million and NI 1.9 you do the calculations and Scotland is about 8.7% of the entire population England 91% wales and ni the rest per capita the average scot has more voting power in Westminster by breakdown of mps than the average English person. England only dominates the vote because there are over 10 times as many people

[@auroraofclanborealis]

"Occasional shortcomings" England tried to erase Scottish culture and language

[@fuzzle9392]

It is all a part of the mound of evidence of the English gaslighting, colonisation and attempted destruction of Scotland's self identity. Typical colonisation tactics.

[@johnbest4513]

LMAO. The signs all over Scotland and the bagpipes all over the place tell a different story. Also it was the lowland Scottish attacking the highland Scottish who did that.

[@auroraofclanborealis]

@@johnbest4513 Hence 'tried'. Remember that whole colonial thing with the washing people's mouths with soap for speaking their native tongue? They did that with Gaelic.

[@johnbest4513]

@@auroraofclanborealis Yeah the lowland Scottish.

[@racheltaylor6578]

Scotland took the English crown.

[@sheilasmith7991]

Free England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿😃

[@macrograms]

UK: we want to exit EU World: okay. dummies. Scotland: we want to exit UK UK: NEVER !

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

This implies that Scots WANT to leave the UK or have a vote on it. Polls have shown overwise.

[@wumpusmcgrumpusesquire6965]

Scotland: we want to exit UK World: okay. dummies. UK: we want to exit EU EU: NEVER

[@alig2472]

Scotland already had a referendum in 2014... They didn't say "we want to exit UK"...

[@davegrimshaw7318]

As an Englishman i would welcome Scottish, Welsh and Irish independence..

[@rontelfer6678]

Some Englishmen are not very forward-looking. In a few years' time, it is likely that Scotland will be swamped with climate-refugees from the south.

[@davegrimshaw7318]

@@rontelfer6678 As a 60year old i don't give a F**k..

[@donaldli1864]

Sounds like the Scottish do have a reason to be independent.

[@Alan_Mac]

@@donaldli1864 I can't think of a single one - except for xenophobia.

[@davegrimshaw7318]

To clarify, i have travelled extensively across Britain, Europe and the US,I have enjoyed all countries and regions,my issue is with politics and regions, centralised government is corrupt, your local MP's should stand in parliament for the electorate and not the conglomerates that fill their pockets and offer high paid boardroom salary's after they crash and burn. Religion is just another control device for the weak who cannot understand that there is no reason for life..

[@Barnes6083]

Scotland and Ireland being outvoted by England is exactly why the United States has a system like the Electoral College. It has it's faults but its core intentions are sound.

[@markusklyver6277]

How does it help at all?

[@jamielonsdale3018]

You understand that England absolutely DWARFS Scotland's population? Proportionally, it would be like suggesting a Union of Russia and India should have equal representation because they are both countries, totally ignorant of the fact Russia's population is ~144,000,000 to India's ~1,400,000,000

[@jamielonsdale3018]

Scotland has 8% of the population yet 9.1% of the parliamentary seats. If anything, they are over-represented, and in fairness should give up more than 10% of the seats they hold to bring their representation DOWN to 8%. Then your point about the Electoral College would actually make some sense...

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@jamielonsdale3018 There is also the West Lothian question where sometimes Scottish MPs could vote on matters that only really impacted England. (That is, those matters which are devolved to Scotland, specifically). Not as big an issue as it was, but it's a sore point for some English people

[@juliantheapostate8295]

As Jamie says, an EC would REDUCE our influence at Westminster

[@deannilvalli6579]

This may be how the UK ends, but certainly not how "Britain ends", as Britain is the name of an island. It is not a political entity, but a geological one. The United Kingdom may indeed break up after Scottish independence, and it is just as likely or unliikely that Northern Ireland will leave the UK. Even in Wales there is a longstanding independence movement.

[@domtromans2783]

I feel like if Scotland leaves now before we sort out our stupid af voting system, it pretty much perpetually guarantees a hostile Tory government south of the border. And that’s just awful for Scots and English alike.

[@domtromans2783]

@@soulsphere9242 It wasn’t the ideal system we were looking for, but I got out and campaigned for it anyway! (And I’m onboard with any plan to democratise the Lords.) To be fair, it was a perfect political storm - not long after an election (so low participation), a poorly ran Yes campaign, and poor understanding of what was being proposed. Unfortunately, I think it and the Scotland referendum gave Cameron the idea that he could win any referendum easily.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@soulsphere9242 sadly the house of lords is actually working

[@charlieboy6315]

@@soulsphere9242 Problem was the AV system being proposed was designed (deliberately) to make almost no difference in practice, because the Lib Dems allowed themselves to be hypnotised by a whiff of power and buckled to Tory demands on the subject. A lot of people who wanted electoral reform simply didn't turn out because the proposal was so toothless. However, if the polls don't change significantly in the next 2 years, there may be another opportunity on the horizon if the LDs end up in coalition with Labour (and don't fuck it up this time!). I hope so - it's the elephant in the room of British politics.

[@hullandras]

go on scotland 💪💪💪💪

[@antoniousai1989]

Scottish brothers, from a fellow independentist, GOOD LUCK! Bona sorti!

[@newyoupersonaldevelopment3497]

Cut them loose and build a border wall … 🇬🇧👍

[@benpearson49]

I don't believe Scotland will ever break away. Particularly under the Scotts National Party, they seem more interested in being European, than being Scottish.

[@D_B_Cooper]

They are more interested in dangling the carrot of independence so they can maintain and entrench their own power

[@mckenziewilliamhowells233]

It's a now-or-never moment for Scottish Independence. The Tories will be voted out in 2024, and the case for the Union will become only stronger. Sturgeon knows this, hence her move to have a referendum in 2023, and call the 2024 election a de facto referendum (which is a ludicrous claim, since the UK's political voting system is First Past the Post, so the SNP can win most seats with only 30% of the vote- claiming that's Scotland voting for independence is pure disingenuity).

[@QuietAsHeimdal]

Holyrood & Scottish government doesn't use FPtP as it's voting method; if the SNP have independence as their #1 priority and it's no secret then getting voted-in with a big majority actually reflects most of the population. That said, what I'd love the see is the abolishment of FPtP in Westminster, in favour of a democratic system. Ideally reform ties with Europe after the disaster the Brexit has oh-so-predictably been. Then the UK can maybe align it's interests again and work things out.

[@wholelifeahead]

Not to mention the scores of voters who vote for the SNP because its the only party representing "Scottish interest" and not necessarily because of independence

[@229andymon]

@@wholelifeahead Why don’t they think the unionist parties represent Scottish interest?

[@229andymon]

You omit to mention that the only way the SNP would have arrived at that (2024) position would be if UK had bottled out of Indyref2 due to their being too scared to fight it….. a wee bit of “pure disingenuity” perhaps?

[@wholelifeahead]

@@229andymon because Scots have a chip on their shoulder and have to be explicitly told they're special instead of understanding that policies that help the vast majority of British people are in fact more important

[@TastyEmpire51]

Referendums should be respected and not to do them every 10 years. Otherwise you can just repeat them endlessly and it will start to look like clown fiesta.

[@brettbaker5599]

Tell that to EU enthusiasts.

[@somthingbrutal]

brexit changed everything, scotland has no desire to be dragged down with little england

[@R.-.]

@@somthingbrutal Scotland was voluntarily "dragged down with little england" for 250+ years before the EU even existed.

[@fossilfern]

I dont think Lizz said to ignore Scotland just to ignore Sturgoen beating the same drum every year.

[@FeZe1997]

so Scotland wants a union with Denmark this time

[@stephenhartley2853]

denmark is better than england by virtually every metric so yes

[@gideonmele1556]

The Norse strike back

[@BillyBobDingo1971]

@@stephenhartley2853 😂

[@q11q40]

@@stephenhartley2853 are you sure?

[@stephenhartley2853]

@@q11q40 look at the facts. british economy has grown 50% in 20 years. thats on par with shit african countries. but keep voting for tories ya dafties

[@HumanAction76]

Is it really independence if they just attach themselves to the EU and give authority to Brussels?

[@dirckthedork-knight1201]

Pretty good point

[@no_more_spamplease5121]

Well, they will be surely independent from Jamaica.

[@prophetmuhammad5019]

@Henry Hazlitt What's wrong with that? They'll get more funds from the EU. Money seems to be the only important thing to consider

[@vadoksam9235]

As a Scot. I want independence. We deserve it.

[@GameandFoodTech]

But Scottish 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿have made themselves habit of Remaining slave of BRTISH

[@darkkboy2525]

Why?Me interesting

[@vadoksam9235]

@@GameandFoodTech @GameTech we won 2 out of 2 wars of Independence and won more battles despite being England having more men, equipment, troops, resources, expertise, experience, money, land, ships for hundreds and hundreds of years before a King volunteered a union that happened fully In 1707. So for all of our history we were Independent before our head of state peacefully and lawfully joined a POLITICAL union with England. I see no slaves here? We won All independence wars. We won more battles. We succeeded In keeping our borders nearly fully the same. We joined a political union and became a core part of the British empire. Now we want to leave and go back to how we have been throughout the vast majority of our history since before christ as we outlived and outlasted the Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Norman's etc etc. We are more ancient, far smaller and went up against insermountable odds time and time again since before and far longer than all empires and conquerors and people's named above. YET -- huh? We are still here? We are not slaves. We are not puppets. We are not dead. And we never have been. Can the same be said about the legendary nations and peoples afore mentioned? And we never have been. Now, can you say the same of your country? So the next time you look down on Scotland, as many many men, empires, nations, conquerors and legendary roman ceasars have (of whom are far greater men than you will ever be) you rember that those mentioned men who are far greater than you too looked down on us and failed miserablely. Time and time again. LEGENDARY MEN, whoms wealth, status, words, empires, battles, philosophies, successes and literal stone statues echo endlessly through modern day mans mouth through word, song, book, mind and thought. Those men, who have become legends. Looked at Scotland. Looked down on Scotland. Came to Scotland. Tried to conquer Scotland. And failed. Which country do you arise from? Let me know then we can compare how much smaller and harder Scotland had it as it stood alone against one of the biggest and most successful (if measured In conquest, economics, military and historically important) nations of all time. England. Of whom had so much more over Scotland and could never quite come close to getting control over it for even a year let alone "conqure it". Scotts were never slaves. I suspect you are from the middle east or some backward "Bosnian" or "Albanian". So again ask yourself this. Was your country ever a slave. Scotland sure as hell wasn't. Don't take braveheart and movies as history lessons. Saor Alba, Ave Europa. Kosovo Je Serbia We are not slaves.

[@vadoksam9235]

@@darkkboy2525 England had more men, equipment, money, experience, land, cavalry, ships and resources and far outnumbered us constantly with no where for us to go but the sea. Yet we won 2 out of 2 independence wars. Won more battles. And were never conquered and remained Independent for all our history before our King decided to join a voluntary politicsl union in 1707. However, England destroyed our language and highlanders. (the Highlands used to be full of people and livestock, now its a ghost land where no one lives as England murdered all who lived there). They destroyed our monarchy and flooded our lands with pro English protestants and turned us from celts to saxons. The destroyed our culture and banned kilts and destroy four language homes and filled our lands with English men like what they done in Ireland. There will be a reckoning. I walk this earth to exert the revenge of an ancient wrath of all celts and Scots who died to foreign saxon English scum. Wallace, The Bruce, Charlie and all the Highlanders live through me. Saor Alba we will be free.