Castle Super Beast Clips: Old Weebs Want Subs

[@Brave_SJ]

With all the hills Pat has simultaneously decided to die on it shocks me that he streams his anime games in English for the given reason of "Japanese makes it harder for people to ignore me"

[@chrisbroad2689]

The great paradox of our little trash goblin

[@that1guy375]

Yeah, Pat is super wrong here. Usually I can see where he's coming from, not here lol.

[@chrisbroad2689]

I love how the the craziness of pat has conditioned us to think that a somewhat normal sense of logic is insane. Never change man, never change. I remember a time when I though pat was normal and that Paige was out of his league. How wrong I was

[@axelskull]

pat is right that dubs in games have stepped shit up

[@AlfredoTaken]

Subs also don't work that well in let's plays, as you get a crap ton of people complaining that they can't understand what they're saying

[@vashido1866]

WOOLIE THE WEEABOOMER

[@arempy5836]

*WEEABOOMER christ the joke is right there

[@vashido1866]

@@arempy5836 oh right, I'm dumb

[@blinkx1070]

@@arempy5836 Perfection

[@iller3]

the first generation of semi-weebs spawned at the end of the 70's when Plague and I were born. This was well documented in California comic conventions where they were figuratively the SiameseTwins of Furries in the same rooms, mainly passing around bootlegs of mediocre DUBS and then later buying whatever showed up on Fox kids morning like DBZ and Darkstalkers... So the generation a whole Decade ahead of Woolie&Pat weren't Sub purists at all, they were the OPPOSITE.

[@wadespencer3623]

@@iller3 Weeagreatestgeneration? Oh, that's awful, not nearly as fun as Weeaboomers.

[@GSSAGE7]

Woolie getting annoyed because he can't tell if the guy who looks like Kamina isn't voiced by Kamina doesn't make sense, because this is the second time (that I know of) where there was a Kamina-looking guy in a Trigger series, and NEITHER of them are voiced by Katsuyuki Konishi. Woolie, if you read this, remember Kill La Kill? Remember how Nudist Beach had a guy who looked like Kamina, while the guy who actually was VOICED by Kamina was the dude with a mohawk? Yeah, sometimes the reference really is JUST in appearance.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

He also could have fucking googled it.

[@SavageDroppinDaBeats]

And this is what was really the most annoying part of what Woolie was saying. Like I get it you wanna hear your favorite Japanese VAs but dude, you have the infinity of the internet. You can just.... look it up. I watched Promare subbed and knew INSTANTLY that Galos actor was not Kaminas. Imagine if Woolie HAD seen the sub and had to just get over that Galo wasn’t Kamina. For the record I want to rewatch it dubbed so I can hear Johnny Yong Bosch as Lio. The dude for Galo (Billy Kametz) sounds pretty great from the trailers so I’d be down for it.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

@@SavageDroppinDaBeats Watch Woolie bring this up next Podcast, and then say "I didn't want to spoil it for myself."

[@MrDredme]

I don't think new-weebs prefer dubs they just don't have a negative conatation of them. I switch between both depending on what available and the quality of the voices acting.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

You're absolutely right.

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

Yep dubs used to be incredibly bad but now even if you may not like a dub vast majority of them are passable at the least.

[@Kango234]

Exactly, I switch between dubs and subs all the time, Hell I switched over to subs while playing Fire Emblem because some of the voice direction is weird in English, which sucks because I prefer some of the English VA.

[@111cvb111]

I mean I’ll watch whatever. Toonami lets me look at dubs of stuff I’ve already seen so I can get something new out of it, plus really I like going to the toonami Reddit on Saturday’s to see the live chat of that week for shits and giggles. I will say I normally wouldn’t bother with dubs most cases, usually cause it takes longer to come out I guess.

[@alphax-shroom6781]

Yeah, I grew up watching dubbed hentai before finding anime. As a result dubs don't bother me as much as they should. When it comes to anime I swap or watch both depending on the kind of show and the kind of dub. For serious shows or If Japanese social norms are impactful on the series interactions like Fate or MHA then then I'll avoid Americanism type dubs. Then for comedey series like DxD or konosuba I try them both and go with whatever gave the best impression and maybe go back to it later.

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

So are we gonna tell Woolie that the Kamina looking dude in Promare isn't voiced by Kamina at all? Because that sounds like his argument, and it super falls apart no matter how you look at it.

[@CobrajCommander]

Watch whatever you want, but, if you refuse to watch subs you'll miss out on a lot of fantastic anime that will never be dubbed.

[@Kango234]

As a new weeb, I feel like that's almost a separate topic. Like another commenter said, most anime fans today don't necessarily prefer dubs, they just don't have the negative connotation. People who refuse to touch something unless it's dubbed are just being unreasonable... or might just not like the show you are pushing.

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

There is way more anime than can and should be watched. Missing something is par for the course. I don't think you can not miss something.

[@TheAlison1456]

True.

[@IndoorSitup]

Castle Superbeast: CIVIL WAR

[@DerthGrips]

In Mexico you grew up watching televised anime with dub, which was always excellent Then when the newer not televised episodes, we had to learn how to read subtitles while getting hyped at the same time via Taringa/DVD bootleg websites

[@zackperkins6107]

This was my childhood in America.

[@vivamexico254]

Holy shit yea theres a couple series i cant watch if it aint dub like dragon ball and saint Seiya wich we call los caballeros del zodiaco and that was the shit

[@BigFingerRo]

Dubs that are the pinnacle of latin american dubbery: Adventure Time, DBZ, Sakura Cardcaptor, Digimon and Pokemon The only issue some people might have with it is the fact that there is a rather short supply of VAs, and you end up with the same voice for many, many characters, with almost no difference between characters.

[@DKZK21]

@@BigFingerRo I'll fight anyone that disputes the latin america Digimon intro as being the objectively best one.

[@shadowrunner4620]

@@BigFingerRo The digimon spanish dubs are amazing. I prefer Guilmon's spanish VA because it sounds cute while the english one is annoying to hear.

[@DevonPalmer98]

Long as you enjoy anime, watch it anyway you want. Doesn’t effect me one bit how someone else watches anime

[@This1sMadness]

What if someone actually calls it Zipper Man though?

[@spectralsheep]

@@This1sMadness Then we politely but firmly ask them to leave.

[@skunto]

@@This1sMadness Like how hank hill said, you politely, but firmly, tell them to leave.

[@blueblazer9991]

Yeah if people want to watch inferior dubs then they can do that

[@DevonPalmer98]

BlueBlazer But if it doesn’t bother them then who cares? I’m just glad more people are experiencing anime even if it’s not my preferred way.

[@KeroKaminaX]

Woolie. the dub for Xenoblade Chronicles 1 is unironically fantastic. also it's not just because us new-anime fans only grew up with the english dub of shows, it's also because the english dubs that we were exposed to were *usually* good and have gotten even better ever since. instead of most of the late-80s/early-90s dubs of *your* childhood.

[@alexmowrey4226]

Yeah Shulk’s VA is great

[@JackOfen]

I will always prefer german dub if available

[@Samm815]

If the rumors are to be believed the Japanese dub of Xenoblade one is rather shit.

[@2deep5u]

@@JackOfen German Eva is great. German Haruhi, less so.

[@Cizal]

lots of dubs today are still god awful though

[@jonnysac77]

I think dubs are very important cause some people just can't read subs due to dyslexia or some other complication, for some people it's the only way they can comfortably watch anime

[@Nauty_nation1990]

I understand where woolie is coming from,but I have to agree with Pat due to the simple fact that I won't to see lesser known va's getting a chance to shine.

[@DiscordedHaru]

I don’t get how the same person who wants to prefer great performance will just say it’s ‘just a preference’ and stick to the language actively seeking out the same actors over and over.

[@Nauty_nation1990]

@@DiscordedHaru Ya I can definitely agree with that.His mentality on some things just confused me.

[@Cizal]

more often than not you find out exactly why they normally don't because they're shit not always of course but even to this day lots of dubs just sound awkward as fuck

[@SubliminaIMessages]

"The dub is better if the VAs add variety to the voices" Y'all should watch the Baccano! dub. It's one of the best dubs ever made imo

[@jasonwalker4003]

baccano dub is incredible. Absolutely the way to go, you dont get the same mood setting accents if you watch it subbed

[@HellfireComms]

>Forgetting Ed Asner as JJJ in the 90's cartoon THE DISRESPECT

[@Arcademan09]

I love it when English dubbed anime use accents for the characters ESPECIALLY when they're supposed to be from a specific country. The Hellsing English dub is excellent and the Drifters English dub so far I really like because there's tons of characters from different eras AND regions. Also in Drifters there's *A UNIQUE LANGUAGE* with an elven race so watching that in Japanese is really hard to keep track of especially when they're talking over other characters

[@vahlok1426]

Gimme the dubs of Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell SAC (1&2), DBZ, and select Gundam series any day of the week. Fight me.

[@m.czandogg9576]

I don't know why you would end that with "Fight me". Nothing that you said was in any way a "hot take". Add FLCL and Yuyu Hakusho to your list.

[@JackOfen]

With DBZ only the Kai dub. The original Funimation dub just has too many script changes and really stupid music. Also grandma Frieza is worse than grandma Goku. At least grandma Goku fits Goku's intended character as a childish, pure hearted country bumpkin.

[@Samm815]

And Black Lagoon.

[@In-The-Zone]

check out Black Lagoon, Hellsing and Baccano dubs as well.

[@GoldLight73]

Well, given all the controversy around Dragon Ball’s voice actors as of late, Subs for that one might be preferable at this point.

[@Kiyosuki]

Every age group forms its pop culture mountain to die on when they're growing up, it doesn't matter what before or after thinks.

[@Maioly]

I have a preferance for subs overall... Because of simpsons The brazilian dub of simpsons was atrocious, it bluntly translated puns and cultural references as they where, destroying several jokes in the process. The subs sometimes fixed this, sometimes did the same, but the english being spoken meant it was easier to understand the original intent. And context of the jokes That alone gave me an overwhelming preference for subs Though the lack of brazilian anime dubs (which where great for the most part) also helped that

[@Maioly]

@@badabingee I actually been meaning to track down subbed saint seiya to confirm some things regardding the brazilian dub... namely that, last time I watched it, 90% of the dialog was rapid fire exposition, but maybe it was just the particular episodes I watched. but yeah, at the least when it comes to comedies or things rooted in a particular culture, I think Subs are definetely the way to go. Do wish I could find the brazilian dub for digimon tamers somewhere though... the american one was ATROCIOUS, and I cant find decent subs of it anywhere either.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I like subs, but hearing English fans mewling for Japanese subs of Castlevania astounds me.

[@Tharlor]

@@badabingee yeah, i think the brazilian dub in that case is actually better than the original, not in every case, but it is one of the best dubs there is

[@Maioly]

@@li-limandragon9287 what?

[@shenanigans8353]

No offense woolie but you could done the simple research to find out that they didn't get the voice actor of kamina to play galo in either language and avoided the disappointment altogether. Another pointer I'd like to give dubs is the comedic timing of jokes are better because depending on the person you can be ahead or behind the joke throwing a wrench in its delivery. But all in all thanks for talking about it as more of a personal preference thing rather than any sense of elitism, there is often times I struggle to find people who will talk about the endless debate with respect.

[@Amirifiz]

Aqua:Kazuma Kazuma! Kazuma: That's me. Is one of my favorite things in the dub. I know its the same in the subs where he says moshi mosh, but hearing it in my language is what makes me appreciate the jokes they translate for the dubs

[@TactlessC]

Also....Ghost Stories.

[@zigmus00A]

And to that extent bobobo

[@Samm815]

@@zigmus00A That show, oh Jesus that show. I don't think I ever laughed at a show that hard in my entire life.

[@Shadowcam00]

Millennial weeb here. I grew up with dubs as a kid, but gradually got into subs through the old streaming sites(and early KZbin when they had the 10-minute limit), and now I go with Japanese versions almost exclusively. Getting anime through Toonami, Adult Swim, and various On-demand services was a real novelty back in the day; but now i have *_everything_* at my fingertips, and i wouldn't have it any other way.

[@0rriAndroid]

As stated before, dub Kamina is Kyle Hebert. I do tend to prefer the original japanese but that doesn't somehow invalidate dubs. In some cases, I much prefer them as the japanese method of acting can often come across as too melodramatic. People would be less upset with you both when talking about these things if you presented your opinions as just that rather than 'what you like is shit but it's okay that you like shit'

[@DiscordedHaru]

This. I’ve grown so tired of them talking about this that I almost skipped this podcast. It went on way too damn long.

[@In-The-Zone]

... I miss Demolition D.. "I DROPPED MY PIN!!!!"

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

OH MY GOD YES!

[@blackpants7385]

Well, it IS supposed to be dramatic. It's not like it's some kind of mistake. You even mentioned Kamina, who embodies ham.

[@In-The-Zone]

@@blackpants7385 yeah but thats a ham show, a lot of anime with a more serious realist atmosphere suffer from the over acting that is just kinda ignored by a lot of sub purest

[@ShardNetwork]

The negative stigma attached to dubs is fading over time. The 90's are about to be 30 years behind us. And 4kids has been gone for a decade. The practices, regulations, and lack of expertise that made that early slew of bad localization in games and anime has long tapered off. Language choice is turning into preference/region situation rather than a choice in outright quality. The fansub/speedsub and tape trading dodgy stuff days have waned.

[@SpecialJess2]

Putting surfer dude accents and stuff on random characters ruins dubs that could have been acceptable and it always seems to happens to the anime I Wana watch and always to the side character that will be around for over 50% of the screen time of a show

[@sousedmonk7418]

​@@SpecialJess2 It's the ebb and flow of dubs - regulations and technical expertise have improved a lot, but the content has standardized. We still get dubs that get more love than the original work sometimes, but I don't think it's anywhere as often as Woolie and Pat think, and they were pretty cautious on that part to begin with.

[@SlayaBEE]

New weeb here: My first experience w/ anime was DBZ Burst Limit and hearing the English Dub of that game. And then watching the series after. When I heard Grandma Goku for the first time, I WAS UNBELIEVABLY UPSET. I got over it and actually came to enjoy it. But man, subs were trash for a long time for me because of that.

[@JackOfen]

I prefered grandma Goku over grandma Frieza. But now english Frieza has a new voice actor who just does a much better job. Also, why would grandna Goku upset you? Are you one of those people that thought Goku was a manly, heroic, Superman-esque character? When in reality Goku is supposed to be pure, naive, childish and a country hick.

[@1337w334b00]

@@JackOfen Yes. He said his first experience with anime was a DBZ game. You only know about Goku being a goofy, naive hick from the original series. Because goofy hick Goku is not how they market it after the Saiyan Saga.

[@JackOfen]

@@1337w334b00 He still was that in Z in the original japanese. He is really goofy in his fight against Frieza when he is in base form. It's only when he turns Super Saiyan that his personality changes to being nore serious

[@SlayaBEE]

@@JackOfen I was still a child. New things that are very VERY different from my old and established things were bad. Also, I'm only 20 now. So you do the math from the release of Burst Limit lol EDIT: I did the math. I was 9. Also did more math. I'm Gen Z.

[@In-The-Zone]

Old weeb here. Subs have since become trash as I've learned more and more Japanese and recognize the repeated use of the exact same phrases from characters and how due to the nature of translations them having different sentences on screen from what was said. At least modern dubs can make dialogue sound natural and like a human would actually say it rather than redundant phrasing from series to series, and over acting for things don't match at all with the real life equivalent.

[@GezzarTV]

Black lagoon is one anime I will never watch subbed, the fact that characters have accents makes it so much better than the sub

[@GarethXL]

both version are bad

[@xdelta92]

There is some anime that has to be in English just because the anime has western influences like obvious Cowboy Bebop but for recommend people the dub for 91 Days and Cop Craft one is mobster story and other one is Miami Vice.

[@ProNoobGamer93]

I will add both baccano and Hellsing Ultimate to that list as well.

[@TheMilhouseExperience]

ProNoobGamerDude add Panty and Stocking to that list along with, specifically, the first episode of tower of druaga.

[@TactlessC]

Also the fact they say "Fuck" like 200 times more

[@themufinman3]

I'm glad Nia was acknowledged even though he didnt remember her name

[@chero666]

My main problem with dubs isn't the voice acting, but the "localization." Like the time Prison School added in a "gamergate" reference for no reason.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Yeah even I can't defend that one.

[@Samm815]

ShadowWolfRising so indefensible it got removed.

[@aetherswipeplus7301]

That's not what localization is...but that IS an example of unnessicarry punching up to fit current events at the time

[@Gitskreig]

Sooo.....what you are saying is that we need to move dubbing companies out of the states and over to the UK where accent differences occur over the space of 10s of miles, rather than hundreds?

[@ffffdsd]

Maybe stay out of northern england though. Nobody wants then in their games trust me

[@someguy2349]

flob ll Northern England is just Scotland.

[@ffffdsd]

@@someguy2349 england and Scotland are separate places. Like how america is made up of different states with they're own name. Think the people who live in the top half of south Dakota not the people who live in north Dakota

[@ShadowWolfRising]

@@someguy2349 Not for long methinks.

[@TheEFoy11]

@@someguy2349 Speaking as one who grew up "up North", you say that in either northern England or Scotland and you'd get slapped by everyone in the room

[@imlaffytaffy]

Woolie builds his argument on a sand dune that is in the process of falling down. He's so great.

[@justincase4063]

I can watch either or. But I need to hear Big O in english, Steve Blum is great as Roger Smith.

[@thuongn85]

I feel like most who watch dubs either hate reading or want something running in the background as they multitask.

[@LunasLostLove]

it's actually why i prefer watching anime is because if i'm forced to read i can't lose focus as easy. it's also why i really like monogatari because it's just a bunch of talking 90% of the time. however dub vs sub for me entirely depends on how i like the sound of the characters that's it.

[@trenchcoatjoe1891]

"I'm used to the japanese name, so I can't use the english name" Woolie, I might be misinformed, but didn't you unlearn *_G O D_*

[@EkkieEkk]

The age of bad dubs is long past.

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Currently the only issue dubs can have is not correctly localized some and put something that wasnt in the japanese version at all

[@sleepofgiants410]

Hey, I'm really glad you and Pat do this.

[@DrErikNefarious]

"Plate of 4 leaf clovers"..........Pat does not recognise 4chan

[@oculiocto3185]

I like that they get to have these therapy sessions. And that they record the video so we can SEEEE the salt shaking out of the Woolie dreads.

[@michaelmaguire4147]

Toonami is just as old as 4kids. Personally I grew up renting anime from blockbuster, so I saw a mix of both sub & dub

[@AdrianArmbruster]

There are a few circumstances where dubs do just get better than subs. Baccano! -- an anime that deals with 1930's New York gangsters, so having an American cast doing fake New York accents adds a bit of charm. There's also a few creative decisions that help out as well. Kind of the opposite of Sekiro -- Japanese dub is just better there because of course the Samurai-Ninjas would be yelling at each other in Japanese.

[@axelskull]

german sekiro is best. especially when they still drop words like "shinobi" in the middle of a sentence

[@Horatio787]

Well the thing about Baccano is it goes for European accents too. There's French and British, colonial America, pretty sure there's an African guy too. It roots its characters in time as well as place.

[@SideswipePrime606]

The Promare dub is great! I think a big part of it is because Trigger supervised the english casting. Yeah Galo isn't Kamina, but if you want parallels, Lucia and Haruko from FLCL have the same actresses in both languages. On a side note, I'm glad Funimation didn't dub it. It's good to get other players in the ring.

[@montablanc1]

The primary reason I like dubs is if I decide to look away from the screen, I won't miss a quarter of the episode

[@Godspeace21]

"Old Weebs", I too was born in the 80s and I'm over here appreciating dubs. Then again I grew up on Cartoon Network Toonami stuff with DBZ, Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Sailor Moon, etc, all in English.

[@benpaul7923]

7:20 the CIA Agent is voiced by a voice actor from america named Charles Glover, As far as i know hes a decent voice actor and his bad performance was because of bad direction

[@MrMobiusfan]

Woolie needs to see the Hellsing Ultimate english dub. It is arguably better than the japanese dub.

[@HellecticMojo]

only for episode two because Jan Valentine's vulgarity is so much more enjoyable with the dub. You cannot hate Wakamoto's EEF Ani Won Duss not LUV da NAME JESUS Krist, OH Load com AMEEEEN.

[@blackpants7385]

@@HellecticMojo "If anyone does not love The Lord, Jesus Christ, let him be accursed, O Lord come amen" is the full thing. Just letting you know, is all.

[@kimsonrobinson3171]

This is the ONE thing me and my Japanese friend can actually agree is just better in English.

[@AlfredoTaken]

The directors commentary for the dub is also really fascinating as well, and gives some really interesting insight to how the industry works (at least at the time)

[@brandondodge6040]

Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood's Dub was great as well.

[@PrincessNine]

Pats Russian thing makes me realize he hasn't seen Black Lagoon.....a Canadian made dub...

[@JackOfen]

Nowadays "Boomer" just means "Person older than me" and "Millenial" just means "Person younger than me". It's so stupid

[@carl8790]

Actually, zoomers call millenials boomers instead. It's stupid, but it's also funny. Can't wait to turn 30 and get called an old fuck/ boomer from the next generation. It's going to be a weird experience.

[@JackOfen]

@@carl8790 It's because "Boomer" has become such a meme that dumb kids don't even know what it means anymore.

[@KuonilerariLoufanwald]

Ok boomer

[@KuonilerariLoufanwald]

@The Lawnmower Ix. 091 ok boomer

[@KuonilerariLoufanwald]

@The Lawnmower Ix. 091 🆗️ Boomhauer

[@HeyItzaK]

I have agree with Pat on the same VA's being overused. When you hear the same voice for different characters it feels like the character playing the actor than the actor playing the character.

[@UltimaOmega777]

Oh heya again Steve Blum voice roll number 57. I

[@Samael1113]

Anyone else click on this video thinking it was going to be Pat and Woolie talking about being poor?

[@Arcademan09]

This is my criteria for what dub I listen to: Which dub annoys me the least and which voices fit the character better?

[@KeroKaminaX]

dude the only japanese voices i can recognize instantly are Kumiko Watanabe (Keroro, Klonoa, Bomberman),Takehito Koyasu (Dio, Deadpool, Kululu), and *Sometimes* Wakamoto. even with my favorite japanese seiyus i can't recognize them unless i rock a wiki

[@dcvmu]

The only one I can recognize usually is the voice actor of Batsu and OoT Link lol

[@kirbyfanprime]

@@dcvmu yeah, I was about to reply Nobuyuki Hiyama is really easy to pick out, cause he can't help but revert to the Link screech when he needs to do big yells.

[@IggyBang]

Castle Super Beast is soooo much better than the best friend cast. Different energy, less over used jokes.

[@RogueBlood343]

7:30 a really good example of this is Durarara or Black Lagoon, there are many Russian speakers in the subs of these shows

[@WillyFresh92]

Castle SuperBoomer in full effect

[@MemoryOfDarkSky]

I think it was in the anime Free! That two of the characters (In the original dub, dont know if it ever got an english dub) Went to australia. All the australian characters spoke english with australian accents. The japanese actors for the two characters spoke english in those scenes and I thought that was cool. In any other anime, it would have all just been japanese I feel.

[@Caidezes]

Woolie is literally "old man yells at cloud" when it comes to dubs.

[@JackOfen]

He is right about older dubs though

[@otakon17]

Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi comes to mind, the two main characters are very countrified in the dub. As are a good majority of the characters due to living in the sticks. And the subs actually keeps that, giving them Osaka and Kansai accents IIRC.

[@fenris5932]

Cowboy Bebop, Full metal Alchemist, DBZ, Hellsing Ultimate, Baccano! What are you even doing watching these subbed?

[@li-limandragon9287]

Berserk too, Marc Diraison’s as Guts is amazing.

[@OldemarFIN]

Not everyone is a filthy American. Take your imperialism and shove it.

[@fenris5932]

@@OldemarFIN true. Some are from the UK or one of the other 20-30% of the planet's population that speaks english

[@fenris5932]

@@li-limandragon9287 yeah but Berserk's more a case of "if you're not reading the manga, what are you doing?" Although the berserk dub outtakes are a national treasure

[@shershahad2152]

Old weebs are basically the anime equivalent to boomers

[@cyberninjazero5659]

The Eternal Anime Boomer. Still remembers when they were called Otaku instead of weebs. Sub supremacist. Has figures and figurines collection Roamed the earth in the age of the Blu-Rays before streaming came into being Roamed the Web when Piracy was the only way Lived at a time where there were few extremely influential anime as a standard recommendation to all newcomers.

[@justinhearst]

Factual

[@JackOfen]

@CyberNinjaZero Blue-Rays😂 That is too new. Old weebs had to get their animu on VHS

[@ghostlygourmet7217]

Weeaboomers

[@Tairashimuzu]

I'm the guys who commented about Naruto. Also, like most people said, more new weebs like me (born in 96) don't always prefer dubs but mostly what's available. I will always wanna watch Dragon Ball in English cause that's what I grew up on, but I watched Super subbed because it was the only option. I watched JoJo Part 1 & 2 dubbed but Part 4 & 5 subbed. Granted I read all of those first. Naruto goes either way, but would still prefer dubs. It's just the availability of it. Which anime and Japanese games are more accessible than ever as well as the quality of dubs having gone way up since your old men times.

[@JackOfen]

It's also fun to watch other language dubs of shows. I have watched DBZ in german, spanish, french, english, japanese and greek. And the german dub is great. So many good voice actors. The english dub is the worst to me, because of the Faulconer music and that they tried to make Goku Superman to appeal to americans, which leads to some hilarious out of character moments. "I'm the light of the universe" just doesn't fit the usually humble Goku.

[@dracomundo1498]

As a 20 year old that grew up with all that, I switch between both at a whim

[@en4135]

I started with Dub and didn't watch a subbed anime until like 5 years into my anime "career", things like Dragonball and Yu Yu Hakusho and a ton of older anime from the '90s to early 2000s it wasn't until those stopped being relevant that I went into subbed it's weird to see that almost in reverse as English Dub makers have realized that people like good voice-acting.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Yeah I still can’t handle Granny Goku and even when reading the manga I hear Sean’s voice In my head.

[@RhysClark97]

18:00 thats not why they fucking cast the voice actor woolie, theyc ast it because theyre literally tropes that riff off of characters theyve done in the passed...so ofcourse they are going to get the voice actors they know can do the voice argggggggg

[@MegaPieru3000]

New weebs still do watch their non-dubbed anime as subbed. Not everything gets dubs. Especially when they're airing.

[@manticorephoenix]

I had no idea they don't have Toonami or Adult Swim up there, idk they just always spoke as if they were aware of awesome shit SG:CTC and the Boondocks show

[@Kango234]

Pat has said that he has no idea what Space Ghost is so you might have mixed that up, that said the nature of their jobs does expose them to stuff like that and Eric Andre.

[@manticorephoenix]

@@Kango234 fair enough, I have no recollection of them mentioning Space Ghost but I was referencing that as an example of like Adult Swim or Toonami original shows

[@mrvideogamejunkie4714]

I was born in the mid-90s so I was one of those kids who grew up on cartoon network, adult swim, and the infamous 4kids dubs. But pretty much as soon as I turned 19 I started watching subs exclusively

[@Halfway3]

My reason for preferring dubs is this. One. I'm a zoomer. I've only started anime in the past few years. Two. I have the attention span of a fucking goldfish. So when I'm watching a dubbed anime and I see something shiny in my living room, I dont need to rewind 15 seconds because I can stop audibly follow what's happening while im distracted. Subs, it's all visual. I really dont like taking double my prescribed adderall dose every time I want to watch AoT, so I'll just watch the dub.

[@FoiledYetAgain]

I was told that gary holmes was voiced by a native japanese person with a voice filter put on to make him sound deeper, not sure if that's true though

[@waypastthenorm8629]

The gurren dub is fantastic and I'll fight anyone who ses otherwise

[@justinhearst]

I will join you in that fight

[@SupermewX300]

I would die for the sake of Gurren's dub. So sad they never dubbed the films.

[@ffffdsd]

Basically anything by trigger

[@Samm815]

Meh. Woolie over hyped it to me.

[@waypastthenorm8629]

@@Samm815 ah thats a shame. See I went in blind and was very happy with what I got.

[@jorgamund07]

Wait, they make anime without English audio? When did that start?

[@manticorephoenix]

It's a brand new thing man, all the younguns are tryin it

[@macguyverbond7480]

manticorephoenix yes brand new only 35 years old.

[@saynotop2w]

The earliest example I can think of was in 2000s, Cardcaptor Sakura was begged for sub only release because Kids WB's Cardcaptors.

[@ThroughLidlessEye]

I like subs because it’s easier to use my eyes to see words than to use ears.

[@RogueBlood343]

12:15 que Secco from part 5 “What are you a Language Teacher or something”

[@lenmutt]

On accents stuff in the anime Black Lagoon while I watched it dubbed due to airing I heard in the japanese audio that the seiyuu (Mami Koyama) of the Russian mob boss Balalaika speaks Japanese the default language for the show, English, and Russian. Which is pretty impressive. On Russians in anime in the show Panzer Und Girls that school girl tank anime the Russian team has an entire battle charge where the russian lasses are singing entirely russian a song actually sung by the Red Army Choir called "Katyusha" which was just written before WWII while the dub omits this song & music completely instead having the girls mouthfaps gone and has tetris (Korobeiniki) plays as they silently drive their tanks. Though I generally agree dubbing use of accents does sometimes give a benefit shows such as Hellsing really are enhanced by the various accents. Really surprised that the "Worst Black guy in anime" didn't come up in this conversation.

[@blackmagiclloyd6013]

Anyone have the link to that Reddit comic with the old weeb and new weeb?

[@AirYosukekun]

Gotta agree with Pat on this one. One thing I didn’t and still don’t like about Japanese versions is that even when they don’t just reuse actors, you already know what every character will sound like. This guy is a warrior who values strength? He’s gonna have a thick deep voice. Oh you’re a cute shy girl? High pitched soft voice. Main hero? You’ll have the token heroes voice. There isn’t a lot of actual variety in Japanese dubs, seemingly because of the cultural idea that individuality is kind of a bad thing. So let’s just have all our characters sound the same and have all our VA’s imitate each other. There are a few exceptions, but in the large that’s kind of just how it goes.

[@AuntBibby]

guys, you can speak japanese with a welsh/russian/texan/british/chinese/nigerian accent. what, you think foreign accents only exist in english?

[@trickster721]

Yeah, but the Japanese public hates it, or at least there's a perception in the industry that the Japanese public would hate it. It's like the British snootiness about hearing "proper English" on the BBC.

[@CasualShinji]

I didn't have Toonami either, but I did buy a shitload of anime on VHS back in the day, and all that crap was dubbed. The advent of DVD was like a fucking blessing.

[@tylerhind6709]

The title of this clip sounds like you two were just going to beg for subscriptions

[@Ike_of_pyke]

I grew up in a weird spot where we started getting the good dubs(Trigun, cowboy bebop, outlaw star, lupin) along side the trash tiers (4kids) so I was always more open to dubs than others

[@terutend077]

I'm more of a subs person but if a show's dub has stood out to me I'll definitely watch it dubbed when I revisit it

[@admiralpepper6933]

So... What you're saying is... *_NO SUBS FOR OLD WEEBS?!?_*

[@MutedMimic]

My favorite dub will always be Jormungand and Black Lagoon, oh and Monster.

[@TheEcoolarg]

80s/90s/00s Latino Dubs are just wonderful

[@izendale]

accent talk: yamadera kouichi managed to pull off the impossible: japanese VA playing an European white dude who grew up in china, but managed to speak japanese when in japan.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

So, my personal experience: I'm a dub person. Of course I started with all the TV dubs, so that argument of "Cartoon Network/Tooami/etc." is totally accurate for me. And I'd MUCH rather hear my own language than be reading the show and missing a small chunk of animation because my eyes are glued to the bottom of the screen. Subtitles I only do for shows that do not get a dub, like Pretty Cure. ...Okay, I know that got like two dubs, but they're both 4kids-level trash, so exceptions made. Konosuba I had to watch subbed and it other than Futari Wa Pretty Cure is like the ONLY show I watched subbed that I can absolutely nail down a certain Japanese performance, because that show is the only subbed show I can say for a fact as an American has absolutely stellar Japanese voice acting because I don't have a proper metric for it. But I'd rather dubs if I can help it. My Hero Academia, fucking beautiful dub that made me love that show and have only only only went to subs because Funi keeps having random delays (*coughamongotherreasons*) and it's the only show I keep up with as it airs. I understand if you'd rather original inflections of voice acting, but these days people still act like all dubs are Resident Evil 1 and it ticks me off. Like guys, even Mega Man moved past Mega Man X4, did anyone see the Command Mission through Maverick Hunter X cast? They were great! And NT Warrior, weird censoring aside, was actually alright and MegaMan didn't sound like a 7-year-old child like the original did! ...Anyway, I understand Woolie grew up in a situation where it was way way harder to even watch the stuff, so of course he'd develop an affinity for the originals and all, but I do feel like going to an international anime movie showing and pretty much poo pooing it over just being the dub seemed like WANTING to be disappointed.

[@Tarage]

You watch subs for long enough you don't have to have your eyes glued. You see all the animation just fine. It's speed reading.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@Tarage And I'd still personally would much rather hear my own language even if I get used to subs.

[@stevencooper1103]

I'm one of those kids that grew up watching Cowboy Bebop, Dragonball, FMA, and all that toonami stuff, I watch both dub and sub. I don't really understand the argument. It seems really dumb to argue over the slight differences in the way we consume the same things we love.

[@axongear9650]

Sometimes I forget the guys are actually old. I grew up with dubs and had to aquire a taste for subs

[@Velrikk]

I only prefer sub when the setting is solely based on japan, when too many characters have english names I cant take the japanese pronounciation seriously and it just doesnt work for me

[@wakimaki1336]

The sub vs. Dub battle doesn't matter to me. I'll watch what I can how I can. It's all about accessibility to me. If I can watch in English I will because taking the time to read the subs makes me miss the animation. If there's no English I'll watch it subbed, but that's only my choice. People should do what they want, sub or dub.

[@Edward-Not-Elric]

I think people who swear by subs and denounce dubs (like they scoff at the idea of watching dubs) have that same thing that conspiracy truthers have. They want to feel like they know something that others don't or that they're in on something that most people aren't. You might even equate it to how snobby people get when they belong to a "special" club. Someone who seems ordinary can become a real asshole if they're allowed in the section marked VIP even if that section is the same as every other section.

[@butlerknight8107]

High school of the dead has a cool dub

[@wadespencer3623]

On Hollywood: Those big names draw, but it's kind of questionable if it's enough to be worth it. You pay a steep premium for that draw, and it may well outweigh the extra box office profits.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

But without the draw your movie may not get off the ground at all.

[@Samm815]

Neil Gaiman’s rewrite of Princess Mononoke was so popular that it was shown in Japanese theaters with Japanese subtitles.

[@wadespencer3623]

@@blitzkriegdragon013 Now THAT part is true. Because of the belief that the big name is important, it actually becomes important. And to be fair, it sometimes makes sense. Part of John Wick's great cast comes from everybody wanting to work with Keanu Reeves.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

@@wadespencer3623 That's also very true. And there are also big stars who do have the talent to back it up. Daniel Day Lewis, Viola Davis, Leonardo DiCaprio, to name a few. It does help when they are attached.

[@Anu_Evil_Queen]

As some one who used to watch just subs and then spent 2+ years learning Japanese, I can’t watch most Japanese dubs anymore. I can now tell that Japanese dubs are usually super stereotypical in voice direction and cartoony in performance. Hell, I have met Japanese people (fluent in English) that only watch English dubs because of this.

[@TheMaestro116]

Mem Aleph Yeah because english dubs totally don't suffer from the same issue /s

[@Anu_Evil_Queen]

The Maestro, well of course they do, Nolan North constantly being directed to do the discount Indiana Jones-man voice is a prime example. It’s a matter understanding how a language is actually spoken and the assumption that animated media inherently captures that.

[@andret3739]

I don't speak japanese but most people i know that do have told me that if you actually want to learn japanese you should avoid anime for a while because even "serious" anime speach is still cartoonishly exagerated and not how people actually talk

[@LE0NSKA]

where can I find this comic? WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST EDIT IT IN THE VIDEO

[@LE0NSKA]

@@SteelBallRun1890 thanks fam

[@N00BSYBORG]

The only time a dub has ever been been superior to a sub was DBZ's Sacred Ointment dub.

[@JackOfen]

DBZ's Funimation dub is THE WORST. The only english dub of DBZ I will accept is the Kai one

[@N00BSYBORG]

@@JackOfen Funimation dub would've been better if they had kept some of the butt sex and incest.

[@li-limandragon9287]

JackOfen Kai is trash, I love Goku and Piccolo driving cars.

[@JackOfen]

@@li-limandragon9287 Nah, Kai is the perfect version, that leaves out all the dumb filler and doesn't have the stupid Faulconer midi crap. You want to know what is trash? Characters staring at each other for 10 minutes while we get the same shot of waves crashing and clouds moving in every second episode. The original Z anime is really hard to watch because of the constant padding. If you really think the original Z is better than Kai you are just blinded by nostalgia.

[@Bandalorian]

Thought this was a video about pat and woolie pitching their twitch channels

[@YukiMyco]

So....Does anyone have a link to what they were talking about at the beginning?

[@Jay-ln1co]

I always remember J.K. Simmons from Oz, where he played the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood.

[@izikmiddleton9996]

Use this thread to say which dubs you prefer over which subs and vice versa. Example:Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (dub)

[@jabarimcintosh7421]

Castle WEEABOOMER

[@kenmasterssonofsparda4105]

Would you watch space dandy in sup?

[@TheKnizzine]

Seamoan is how you pronounce Simon right?