Castle Super Beast Clips: Stopping Police Violence With Data & Research

[@pyropoyo]

"Breathing is OK" - the greatest discussion in the history of podcasts, concluded by sponsors after several days of debate no but seriously, Woolie, Pat, thanks for discussing this on the podcast. You guys are well informed and it's great hearing you guys talk about this on the podcast, and not just Twitter.

[@francescolombardi3438]

bold statements only on this podcast

[@riastradh]

I’ve heard them called a lot of things but “well informed” is a first

[@mortified0]

Elmo sounds different than usual, a lot more bald and squat.

[@manticorephoenix]

Same level of anger and contempt tho

[@danherondraws]

still with a strong Orb, tho

[@homesliceslices69]

Tongue hanging out, dead stare, cute button nose. Looks same to me. *shrugs* pat get a haircut?

[@El_Legante]

Come visit oakland, it’s pretty chill. Just don’t be an asshole maybe?

[@Kittyjingles28]

Pat used Elmo as his talking head since his AC broke. he was half naked and as slick as the day he came into this world.

[@mildlychilled4426]

Kinda wish he just said fuck it and showed the world

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

@@mildlychilled4426 noooooo

[@iller3]

**cue jim carrey climbing out of the robotic rhino butthole**

[@RippahRooJizah]

@@iller3 *Cue Jim Carrey jumping out of a building window*

[@TheTexasDice]

"I want to be PUUUUUURE"

[@gaiden8066]

It's pretty crazy that Pat has rejected his humanity.

[@manticorephoenix]

It's pretty crazy it took him this long

[@JohnRaines]

We knew he was willing to become a toilet if it meant immortality, now we know he is also willing to become a kitty cat.

[@gameb9oy]

KimRaines “I’m not a furry” *pat really testing out crazy talk*

[@ryandeveau6738]

Seems like a pretty good idea these days

[@autisticlootist7033]

You thought it would be Pat on the show, but it was I Elmo! Za Meowdo!

[@JJMomoida]

The idea of this gremlin of a man sitting on a block of ice, half-naked and stewed in *disgusting* primordial juices, makes me smile.

[@agsiar]

...why did he bathe in cat semen, though?

[@user-ue8il6jx3b]

agsiar both of these comments would make Pat squirm and that makes them better

[@agsiar]

@@user-ue8il6jx3b sadly, to my knowledge, he doesn't check the comments in KZbin videos.

[@samditto]

I mean, i super wouldnt check the conments either if i was as powerful as pat

[@TheNeonCaster]

To highlight - I really appreciate Pat taking the time to listen and give Woolie the time and room to get all his thoughts out there. That's a good friend, yo.

[@MsGuinhodias]

I'm disappointed in Pat's silence during this awful time, but I'm glad Elmo is taking a stance.

[@MidgarMerc]

It's definitely Elmo's greatest redemption arc after he burned down those orphanages

[@Tenebrio-Morio]

@@MidgarMerc he was just trying to help, It was winter, and they were cold!

[@JackgarPrime]

@@MidgarMerc There's still those times he's helped Paige with those murders of pregnant women.

[@nonenone5387]

Considering the amount of times Pat has pushed for a race war its not suprising.

[@Abdega]

@@Tenebrio-Morio You know what they say: Build a Someone a fire and they’ll be warm for the night, Set someone on fire and they’ll be warm the rest of their life

[@MrKuemmelbrot]

Woolie is one of the most calm, level headed, reasonable people I have the pleasure to have a parasocial relationship with, while also being super energetic, and motivated when talking about his interests. Unless his real persona is VERY different from his on camera self, Woolie is a "pretty chill dude" and just a good human being in general. Some may say, a rolemodel even.

[@Smoofyful]

Role model, wow come down. No Woolie hole influencer can be a good role model. Have you seen is Doom playtrough? Super into satan. Jokes aside, yeah pretty chill dude.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Everybody that's met him in real life has had nothing but great things to say about him so I think we can safely say yes, officially chill dude.

[@mezeporta]

I met him and Pat at magfest and talked for a little. It's definitely not a persona for these two Scrublords

[@0rriAndroid]

He's a kind man. I wish this discussion had gone a more openly pacifistic route but I understand wanting to discuss a possible solution. I don't appreciate the comments both left and right asserting that they're wholly correct and trying to drag Woolie to one side or the other. He's not saying to burn and break shit but he's also not saying to just leave it be. I feel that violence is immoral regardless of context.

[@sokumotanaka9271]

@@0rriAndroid What are you on about? First off the only sides are Racist cops vs Everyone Second woolie has his own agency he's able to pick his own sides he's not being "dragged" anywhere. What happened to George was a travesty and it shouldn't be viewed as "sides" black people are being murdered by racist for existing and they're getting off scott free. Not to mention woolie in this videon and on twitter pointed out that the protesters and rioters are literally different people there are videos and as a black man myself? I can tell woolie is sick and tired and so am I. He's literally not picking sides expect for the side against racism.

[@wadewade3790]

I’m glad Elmo was present for this discussion.

[@francescolombardi3438]

lalalala lalalala

[@diegomedina9637]

Elmo is Pat in cat form.

[@amanofmanywords9384]

Woolie. Thank you so much for talking about this. Hearing how your mind thinks when bad stuff like this happens is awesome. You are the older brother, uncle, friend we could all need right now.

[@vicarsol9954]

Finally Elmo is in the podcast to talk about heavy subjects. Thank god.

[@lilpotayto]

Fair play for doing the legwork on this Woolie. And for broaching the subject too. I genuinely did not know just how bad it was with 'cool off periods', rehirings, and so many regular sketchy ammendments to regulation. This is the sort of thing I feel is getting left by the wayside in the discussion at the moment.

[@Ptmkn]

I'm happy to see discussion from you two that isn't regurgitated social media hot takes. Fun fact: Ex-Officer Chauvin was hired shortly after Missouri did away with psych evals for hiring. There's no way of knowing if an eval would have caught him, but it's certainly food for thought.

[@turkish8969]

He and floyd were also coworkers at a nightclub, which was owned by a latino radio host, whos studio was burned down day 1.

[@sneakman9873]

Minnesota is not Missouri.

[@Ptmkn]

Thanks, got my "MI" states mixed up.

[@Sethar1234]

There are a lot worse things you can experience than being a little awkward, I think that's something a lot of people need to hear right now

[@god47398]

misinformation is far worse than awkwardness imo

[@user-ue8il6jx3b]

Man this years jrpg plot line is getting pretty convoluted so far

[@angelon3637]

Anonymous is nostalgia bait incarnate but the interactions they have with the Zoomer builds are hilarious.

[@0rriAndroid]

The Cthulhu update coming next month should provide some much needed changes to the meta.

[@zigmus00A]

Can you believe we still have 6 months left to go? 😨

[@iller3]

yah but the S-Link parameters still aren't nearly as nerdy and complicated as P5's

[@user-ue8il6jx3b]

ilr yeah it’s a shame, none of the activities are in person, seems like they just didn’t want to animate character models

[@divinityd662]

The "pick the one white guy in a group of black guys to interview" thing happens literally every time in the U.S.

[@Snacksville]

Shh, you're gonna put them out of a job, man.

[@Necrikus]

He finally did it. Pat rejected his humanity.

[@mayuzanevideos]

Realtalk: Thank you, Woolie for bringing this out there. I hope more people will see this new information and act on it. I already am by supporting projects to reduce police brutality.

[@VikCain]

Woolie, this is a very good video. Pat thanks for going through it too. You guys are definitely the adults in the room. Again.

[@MegaBichiX]

So Adachi, why are you a cop? You dont seem like the kind of guy that should be a police officer I just wanted a gun dude

[@treygoeshard]

BEING EVIL WAS BIG FUN TO DO!!!

[@mep15067]

And yet somehow one of the most realistic depictions of a corrupt cop I've seen

[@malikoniousjoe]

s b Getting older is just realizing all saturday morning cartoon villains are not as absurd or outlandish as you once thought.

[@MidgarMerc]

The difference is when people found out he killed all those people he was actually punished...

[@AsTheWorldSpinsAgain]

@@MidgarMerc only after he confessed after being talk no jutsued by Yu.

[@samzilla567]

You know Elmo is spitting some good takes. He should be a guest on the podcast more often.

[@MrKuemmelbrot]

comment section has not been disabled by woolie or Minh? Thats a lot of trust into their fanbase. (tbh, the chat during the stream was cancer)

[@Kektus1]

So, status quo for twitch chat then, huh.

[@mezeporta]

Discord got pretty toxic too

[@thelaughingrouge]

I rarely even go to twich, I don't like the video player and yeah chat is 50% cool fans of the show/ 50% 360 style xbox live chat.

[@gummyboots]

The chat being so cancerous is just astounding, what did they fucking expect? Woolie is black and this is an issue that cuts right to his heart. He can’t ignore it and he wants to put out awareness on how to improve the situation. He’s not even being militant or disrespectful either.

[@iller3]

if agent provocateurs do show up, Minh can just hide those threads. State sponsored propaganda isn't "a Discussion".

[@dontrll947]

Im still holding out for kaijus come on 2020

[@thelaughingrouge]

If it's gonna be any year it'll be this one.

[@brokentower3148]

The kaijus will come when they're ready and not a moment sooner.

[@waj9876]

@@thelaughingrouge You say that but we said the same thing about 2019, 2021 could be even worse.

[@user-ue8il6jx3b]

Doob but we still don’t have our mechs yet. Not to mention the California sea wall isn’t up to keep them out

[@diegomedina9637]

Ebola is back... So I'll say check back in July?

[@jbark678]

Wow, props for discussing this. Not enough people talk about research and solutions.

[@Tryhardblackguy]

Yeah I had a friend on facebook and he was a old co worker of mine. He posted a clip of the guy that had the machete that chased the protestors getting the shit beat out of him and the title of the video said "Protestors seem to have murdered a man" and it was out of context and the video just skipped to him being jumped and I called him out for not doing research first, and when I called him out because I haven't talked to him in years I learned his a fucking cop himself. Shit is crazy.

[@Tryhardblackguy]

@Malum He made some bs excuse saying how dangerous it is and he was just sharing it with people as well as not all cops are the same people. I could tell all he was trying to push a narrative, especially when he shared a post of a police sherif that was black saying how he is hated by his own race and all lives matter and a bunch of other bullshit. I removed the dude, he was like one of my best friends at my first job. We worked in a grocerry store deli and I remember a black dude with dreads came in and somehow we started talking about fighting games, after I was done talking to him my co worker comes up and said he looks suspicious and he was going to stole something even though I was talking to him the whole time and he told my manager and I had to correct him saying I was talking to him the whole time, he didnt steal anything.

[@HippoMustache]

THE BIRD IS JON TRON THE CAT IS PAT

[@Jay-ln1co]

THE BABA IS YOU

[@DarkPlague20]

@@Jay-ln1co BABA didn't like that, BABA ceases to be

[@mcv12345]

I did not know that about police unions.

[@gaiden8066]

That shit is fucked

[@brokentower3148]

They are the only union that should be automatically decertified.

[@VanTesla]

Even if say don't like Republicans in government/media in USA. I've seen a couple openly speak about the corruption in Police Unions that is generally ignored. Like anything though there are people who have talked more in-depth on the issues and even some with actual solutions on all sides. The problem is the general media and public seem to ignore it and focus on idiotic clowns most of the time. It's why these situations keep repeating as every time an incident happens it's immediately hijacked and derailed... Sadly in my opinion the current situation is no different besides a increase in bad escalation. What I mean is by the time things are done, nothing positive will come from it and if anything the division will just get worse. Be that my perspective is one of pessimism I truly hope I'm wrong for everyone's sake.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Unions lead to that in general especially in Government. Look up "Rubber Rooms" for teachers

[@RafaelRB11]

Unions in general are necessary but they can be easily be corrupted . Union talk is always more complicated than politics make it to be.

[@charleschamp9826]

"And with covid nobody has to go back to work" *Cries in American* I wish.

[@Reaverbot7]

What are you talking about? The media constantly reporting on astro-turfed """protests""" as though they were real, clearly indicates that all Americans are desperate to toil and die for their corporate masters.

[@romankushniriuk1504]

@@Reaverbot7 What?

[@Abdega]

@@romankushniriuk1504 Their comment is dripping with sarcasm right now. Don’t worry about it too much

[@Legolas75893]

yeah that $1200 really didnt do shit

[@swagtasticpanda]

that's potentially why the police brutality protests are going so hard in the USA and this time a round. not to detract from George Floyd or other black people that lose their lives to the police for no real reason usually, but there's a soft gauge for how much money people cam spend to come out and travel to these protests. since the country is on lock down due to covid-19, there's no promise that those jobs will even be there in the two years it might take to return to work.

[@GhostandChromis]

Another thing to add about the last point about the pandemic effecting employment. Not only are people more likely to stay on this issue due to the lack of hiring and employment in general, there are no distractions happening currently that will take the eyes away from this issue. There are no sports competitions. No festivals. No concerts. No conferences. It has long been said the only thing you need to keep the masses happy is bread and circuses. Not many people can afford to buy the bread now with no job, and the circus isn't coming to town. No distractions. So now everyone is forced to actually look around them and confront the society that they have been ignoring, and it has been a rude awakening. This year has been the perfect storm, and frankly I'm glad it's happening.

[@BrognusBelgen]

They should remove Qualifed Immunity from the American police. Their unions ensure they don't get charged, and Qualified Immunity means they can't be sued (You have to sue police departments, which are funded by the gov't anyways, so they don't care.) If you remove Qualified Immunity, individual officers would be subject to wrongful death lawsuits, and would actually have reason not to wantonly brutalize everyone. The police can only get away from this, because they don't have any effective punishments for misconduct.

[@nackskott12]

It's genuinely frightening that this needs to be advocated for. Frenzy meter go up.

[@BrognusBelgen]

@@RatEarth I'm not saying it'll perfectly solve everything, but it''s a good start, since they can actually face some consequence instead of the basically nothing right now.

[@Knowduso]

This year is just a ladder of horrors But even now there is hope for man

[@Knowduso]

@Simple Barghestif we don't believe that we can do better than this, then what's the point.

[@BobtheX]

@@Knowduso Heaven or Hell, let's fucking rock dude.

[@cybergeek11235]

@Simple Barghest hope rides alone.

[@BaneDane_JB]

I read this as a great Soul Caliber announcer quote for the pre fight stage camera pass

[@Mrminecraft736]

Were not even half way up the ladder (Event wise). There is alot more coming.

[@starbladeneo4717]

If this gets Animated, are they gonna keep Pat the Cat?

[@davidspackagelp]

Really appreciated Woolie sharing this and really appreciated Pat taking a backseat to it.

[@THeKallOfCtulu]

Yea that really stuck out to me. I really appreciated Pat kinda letting Woolie have the floor on this one. Might not seem like a big deal but it says a lot, especially coming from somebody so notorious for wanting his opinion heard.

[@FeenieVonKarma]

Yeah, that's the thing folks don't often notice... If it's actually about serious IRL shit, Pat will listen. He'll just make fun of dumb videogame shit. And I also really wanted to hear Woolie's perspective on this whole shit heap of a situation.

[@swagtasticpanda]

you guys should stare at Pat's Twitter sometime. every once in a while he's surprisingly compassionate and wise. just, brace yourself for that contrarian comments section.

[@Skullnaught]

@@swagtasticpanda Pat's initial response is not what I would call wise. Woolie handled it perfect here

[@Samael1113]

I don't know what to say today, after this that would be funny or appropriate. Woolie, Pat, I appreciate you guys greatly, and your intelligence, ethics and pragmatism. Keep up the good work, and having the conversations when they need to be had.

[@CpnAwesomeSauce]

Appreciate Woolie and Pat talking about the important issues. Been watching them for years, and never had any doubt they would have the right take. Proud to call myself a fan.

[@Legolas75893]

i feel very much the same. from shitstorms to this, i feel proud to say im a fan of the zaibatsu. always the largest amount of respect.

[@magnumbadguy9354]

*TRUST YOUR FISTS* *THE POLICE WILL NEVER HELP YOU* ~some old ancient proverb idk

[@iller3]

Well they DO always help women nomatter what... well white Karen women anyway... as do the courts statistically

[@super_genius]

Get a gun fists are useless

[@00NOR]

Not even White Karen's are safe. At least from the cops anyway. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

[@dakota4384]

Except the game that the line came from has you playing as ex cops

[@00NOR]

Who better to know that the cops won't help then someone who use to be one.

[@606hunter1]

Thank you for sharing this in a respectful and measured way with lots of data to back up your points. I really appreciate it considering the discourse of people shouting at one another. Stay safe people and I hope the data Woolie shared makes the rounds so things can improve

[@TheDapperDragon]

So, let me ask you something. What makes the data in support of your cause any different than the 'lies' that show how wrong it is? Let's take the autopsy. First one said the cop did nothing wrong, second one said George was in perfect health until the cop showed up. Who's to say they're not *both* lying?

[@BobtheX]

@@TheDapperDragon What are you talking about? What is true and what is false should be demonstrable. The truth of the autopsy lies in the body of George Floyd. We don't have access to his body, but we can see in the video the moments leading to his death were the cops were clearly in the wrong. You can't restrict a human being's airflow like that for 9 minutes and say you had nothing to do with his death.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@BobtheX You also can't scream at the top of your lungs for 9 minutes with a restricted airflow, so logically, the cops are totally innocent, right? Of fucking course not. Stop trying to make this a 'my side's right.' thing.

[@CitizenVan]

​@@TheDapperDragon Sounds like you're scientifically illiterate. The twitter thread in question has links to the actual research papers themselves so you can look at the data yourself and figure out why they're compelling. Here, I'll even link to it: twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224 Come back when you've done some research and actually have something to say.

[@606hunter1]

Dapper Changeling you mean the cause of unarmed people getting hurt or dying at the hands of cops that do their jobs poorly? They're senseless deaths and rioters have killed and injured people this past week as well. An open discussion of presenting facts/data and solutions is the only way things will move forward. Plus if you watched the video, no he didn't shout for 9 minutes. He was unconscious for a fair amount of it and the one cop threatened to pepper spray people that wanted to make sure George Floyd was still breathing. Investigate things for yourself instead of believing what you're told

[@MuffinHunterX]

I'm a cynical S.O.B. but even I can't help but step back and wonder how the hell the system got this corrupt when things like this happen. Even more so when it keeps on happening.

[@otakuthegreat]

Blame the illuminati

[@admiralpepper6933]

@@otakuthegreat Man, I know this is a joke 'n all, but I'll be sure as hell will be greatly disappointed if the Illuminati isn't the true final boss by December.

[@RavenCloak13]

It’s not a joke. The UN just released a new site called “unnwo,org” or also called “United Nations New World Order”,org and it literally starts off with lines that wouldn’t be out of place as the backstory of how a full control world one united government controlling the populace kind of message... this shit is real. They’ve been planning this since 2008 and they only made the site last night it seems cause they probably saw this as good timing... They have a fucking “Happytalism” as a goal...

[@RavenCloak13]

Otaku The Great Wait, I meant this site: unnwo.org/ The site you linked doesn’t exist or was that the point you were trying to make?

[@VileSentry]

@@RavenCloak13 the point is you are spreading misinformation by claiming the UN put out the site.

[@AsiniusNaso]

This is the best response. Woolie has gone and done a real deal journalism on our humble sweaty gamer fartcast. Bless!

[@ACertainReviewer]

pat have you lost weight?

[@skingydingy]

No he's transcended into the Elmo plane

[@logandh2]

He has, it’s incredible. He literally only weighs like 10-15lbs now, and believe it or not, most of that is hair!

[@RippahRooJizah]

Once Pat got so much Pussy, he became Cat.

[@MapleFried]

And gained hair?

[@VileSentry]

And grew hair?

[@xXWinningTheFightXx]

Pat is cat

[@zambarda]

Cat is Pat

[@1matheuw]

He is pat

[@pickledparsleyparty]

Catrick Boivin, Great Number Embiggener of the Ice Block

[@Nocturnimancer]

I worked w a guy who had mental issues in his family line. It was kinda a ticking clock for him. The cops were unsympathetic, their bullets moreso.

[@JH-dm1vt]

God that’s horrible. I’m hoping his family’s doing ok. If you don’t mind my asking, were you guys close?

[@StalinBrosef]

This is such a fucking great podcast. I'm glad you guys don't shy away from these kinds of topics. Young dudes listening: please don't look away from this stuff. This is the world we live in and the more we listen to people the better we understand it. Giving police impunity for hurting citizens, and inflated budgets for weapons and gear is just asking for abuse. Add to that an additional incentive (through judicial bias) for hurting people of a certain group (black people), and you can maybe understand why people are taking to the streets. Even if you think it's just a few bad apples, once they hide behind that thin blue line they're protected by all the good ones. That's the change people are asking for: police accountability, and consequences when officers selectively brutalize and kill unarmed black people.

[@Shadic4101]

Totally thought this would blow over like every other time this type of thing has happened but I'm so happy for this amount of outlash. Time will only tell whether it actually makes a difference or not

[@malikoniousjoe]

Well Civil Rights was passed a while back, but obviously we're still having to fight prejudice, so I'm not too optimistic. I just don't know how people can think police corruption and wanton murder by government officials can be justifiable.

[@connerymilne6466]

23:00 for when Woolie starts talking about the data

[@Rio..o7..]

The cities that have implemented these policies have the highest crime rates sometimes an order of magnitude higher than the state average

[@GBSpiral]

Which cities are those and is there data to back this claim?

[@Rio..o7..]

@@GBSpiral Yea I went to useofforceproject.org/#review googled the crime stats of the cities that had five or more of the policies in place and compared them to those that did not Baltimore's, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Tuscon to name a few all have implemented these policies all rank highest in crime and climbing

[@3417gekkou]

Thank you woolie for going into this. I've personally been screaming into the void that it is important that protestors stick around to lobby their local govt for reforms more than anything else and I've felt almost entirely drowned out by the noise of what I see as impractical interpretations of how to create change going forward. Thank you for spreading real, pragmatic solutions to the issue at hand.

[@Legolas75893]

i think its a little self-serious to assume that anyone, including yourself, knows the “practical interpretations” of how to create change considering this struggle has been going on for decades with little reprieve.

[@3417gekkou]

@@Legolas75893 hence "what I see as". I apologize if I didn't make that point clearer

[@Legolas75893]

3417gekko i understand, i dont think you’re necessarily wrong that these are good solutions to highlight, i just think people are getting a little too quick to judge what the “right” way to get these changes in place is considering how deep in shit creek without a paddle we seem to be.

[@TheSpiritsLease]

@@Legolas75893 Shut up, bitch. You already said that.

[@LenoraKestrel]

Thank you so much for this extremely informative snippet from CSB. I learned so much and have bookmarked the thread to come back to later as reference. When so much of the gaming community is up in arms over people taking a stance against racism, you two (YOU WOOLIE) brought this to my eyes. Thank you so much for being the wonderful human beings that you two are. I really needed this today.

[@SlappersOnly819]

I'm all for reducing police brutality, but this was not all done by racism.

[@LenoraKestrel]

@@SlappersOnly819 And you're right, it's obviously not ALL racism, but racism does play a part in it. And my comment was lightly based off of a stance from someone else I saw today that was met with immense backlash from their own community for 'getting political' with the social stance they took, and seeing this video just made me...feel better to see a voice of reason and data.

[@SlappersOnly819]

@@LenoraKestrel I agree. I just listened to the segment where woolie talks about the Twitter thread and all that which I didn't find as offensive or preachy as I thought it would. In fact, I agree with all of it. But what part of all of this is racism? I ask because this is not the first time a situation like this happens and everyone cries "racism" where is none to be found.

[@LenoraKestrel]

@@SlappersOnly819 that Twitter thread is rife with good information, and Woolies delivery of it all really nailed it home for me; he kept it cool, he was about the data, he was Woolie about it and it was amazing. As for your question: a lot of these protests are blanketed, universal; many Americans have faced the boot of police brutality regardless of the color of their skin. In absolute numbers more white Americans have been killed by the police than any other race, where racism comes in though is that when looking at percentages black males in the United States are 2-3 times more likely to not walk out of a confrontation with police than a white male; despite making up far less of the population, and still lead over Hispanic, Middle Eastern, and men of Asian decent; to name a few. These protests mirror protests of the civil rights era like the Miami riots in the mid 1960s, even as recent as the 1992 LA Riots where many Americans took the street protesting the mistreatment of Americans and minorities by police. I hope I didn't sound too preachy, and if there's anything you have questions of please ask, I just wanna get information out there until I can financially do more to help these causes.

[@LenoraKestrel]

@@SlappersOnly819 also, I hope that answered your question, I've been known to ramble so my thoughts and points may have wandered.

[@TheTexasDice]

When I was 15, a neighbor who didn't like my family called child services and claimed that I had been an abandoned 10 year old living by himself in a heap of garbage. That day, FOUR cops showed up at my place, while my mom was out at work and I was skipping school due to flu. The four guys almost kicked my door in, no warrant and confiscated all the 18+ video games and movies lying around the entire apartment. We also had a pit-bull terrier at the time, named Buddy. He was a traumatized PTSD dog we picked up from a shelter when he was 3 months old. I don't think he was even capable of barking and the slightest movement of any hand made him duck away, because it scared him. The officers said "Report said you have a banned breed at home, please leash him up". As I opened the door to the room he was in, the cops 30 cm behind me, my dog ran out of the room, wagging his tail wondering what was going on and I caught him in just in time into a hug. I can still feel in my urine that the motherfucker behind me was about to blast my dog's brains out. After that, they left and I immediately called my aunt who's a lawyer. Nothing ever came of it, despite the whole thing being a false report in every conceivable way, because the 4 officers claimed they'd heard someone in need of help behind the door. I know it's easy to be a tough guy on the internet, but I swear, had they killed my dog, I would've murdered all four of them. Fuck cops. Fuck the whole lot of them. However, please don't riot in the streets.

[@somethingwitty3300]

You're a moron. It's not the cops fault that they had bad info. Blame the malicious caller.

[@RavenCloak13]

Yeah and the cops shouldn’t bust in like that and be so gung-ho and maybe question why the place didn’t look like the fucked neighbor described? This is coming from a guy in Hawaii who has seen cops do fuck all about actual child abuse cases and they can’t so fuck all cause “they don’t have enough evidence” cause the people that would be searched about it get word and clean up the place enough to make themselves look better while these cops just go in raid style. Also why would they have followed an anonymous tip like this with info that didn’t match up and when the suspected abusive parents weren’t home? Yes the neighbor should have been arrested (probably wouldn’t cause they knew a cop and probably how this all happened as well) but it’s just as much the cops fault cause fucking really, 4 cops when you lucky to get 1 cop to a crime scene till they call for backup?

[@maharielves]

@Sleuth That gives them no right to kick a fucking door in. It wasn't a goddamn meth lab.

[@JoseRS1186]

@@somethingwitty3300 we're going to blame to caller for those cops stealing their shit too?

[@liplaygames5591]

I haven't been keeping track since it's too much for me to take in. I agree with the people protesting I think they are great, I'm super against the rioting. I hate that people are stealing and using this movement to steal and cause anarchy. Stay safe everyone, wish everyone the best of luck.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

More or less my thoughts on this specific situation. Though I dont think this is so much a "Black" people issue, so much as it is a "poor" people issue. Black, and hispanic people get caught in it a lot, due to poorer communities not being able to rise above poverty in america, but thats always been the case in this country. The media always cherry pick cases involving Black people because "racism". Shits been fucked like this since the 2nd industrial revolution, we just dont complain as much any more because its much easier to distract ourselves.

[@PropaneWP]

When I see people saying stuff like this, I have to ask myself why they choose to focus on the rioting. Does that rioting really change anything at all besides making you "feel bad"? If so, how? You could say that it's a negative factor that has some superficial economical effects, but it's also a consequence of people being angry about the police brutality that we're seeing on a daily basis. So isn't that brutality the more important issue? That same police has been arresting innocent people. Shooting innocent people, teargassing them and members of the press for no reason. And, as we all know they've been treating people like shit on a daily basis. Not because of anything in particular, just because they feel like being dicks and they can get away with it. You should be super against that. It's that kind of problem that brought about the looting and the rioting in the first place.

[@ata4794]

@@PropaneWP Except that looting and rioting is working against the actual peaceful protestors and will just be used as an excuse to use more force against protestors. It will also lead to people pointing at it and shouting how it proves that BLM or others are actually just thugs

[@PropaneWP]

@@ata4794 Bringing up looting and rioting honestly smacks of deflection. It's not the most important issue by a long shot. Especially seeing as how resolving the main issue will also resolve the looting and the rioting. Everyone *knows* that looting and rioting is common in situations like these. People are angry. It's like complaining that fire is hot. This is about hearts and minds. You're not coming any closer to a resolution by pointing fingers at the angry masses who frankly have been shit on by the police, not only during the protests, but also on a daily basis. That's not where the problem starts and it's not where it ends.

[@megamonmon]

@@PropaneWP are we just supposed to pretend the rioting and looting is not happening then?

[@jhoski38]

"You can taste an unarmed person but you cannot shoot them" This statician has never seen what drugs do to a man They can shrug off tasers and pepper spray

[@turkish8969]

Yeah hate when people ask "why didnt they taze him?" Its because tazers are by far the worst non-lethal option available. Wearing a really loose shirt? Tazer doesnt work. Wearing a jacket? Taser doesnt work. One of the prongs hits a belt? Tazer doesnt work. The tazer is a chinese made piece of shit because the town is run by a bunch of cheapskate fuckheads? Tazer doesnt work.

[@turkish8969]

But i think what he is trying to say is that having the officers do every single thing they can before going for their gun will reduce the number of shootings.

[@MinersLoveGames]

My former history teacher's mom was a cop. Teacher told the class once how her mom got thrown through a window once by a giant of a dude who was high out of their mind. Shrugged off the taser no problem.

[@mothermushroom_]

@@turkish8969 also some departments dont get tasers/enough tasers for every cop for whatever dumb fuck reason

[@user-ue8il6jx3b]

Hey Woolie can you put a link to that article you were reading from in the description or pin a comment with it?

[@canadienogre]

twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224?s=19 heres the thread

[@StaryExtra]

@@canadienogre I love how there's an "Orange Man Bad" agenda running in the background of this work. These people really can't separate work with opinions. Really puts into question the credibility of what their main goal is. Weakening public protection, maybe? Taking out the Military so that Other Hostile Countries could Invade easily? Possibly. These people always leaks venom from their facade, and they can't help it.

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

@@StaryExtra I think is pretty plain to see job-wise the man is having a bad go of it .

[@KilogramHours]

@StaryExtra If a pilot crashes the plane, the pilot is a bad pilot. I don't see why pointing out the pilot is bad is controversial.

[@BobtheX]

@@StaryExtra Hey maybe "Orange Man" shouldn't be such a shitty fucking president then. Breaking up protests 30 minutes ahead of curfew just so he can have a shitty photo op holding a bible he doesn't read.

[@Desgaroth]

Something is different with Pat here. Oooh i see now. His Hair finally came back.

[@dsg2v]

Can't wait to see what July has in store for us.

[@ata4794]

Konami buys PlatinumGames and makes them into a mobile game department.... Or WW3 ig

[@mannythelazyguy6529]

racewar, my bet is on latinos

[@dsg2v]

@@ata4794 🤔 or may some weird covid ebola hybrid super virus lol

[@dsg2v]

@@mannythelazyguy6529 nah that will probably pop off if somehow trump gets reelected lol

[@mannythelazyguy6529]

@@dsg2v i mean, he is gonna get reelected by default, either people not gonna vote or they not gonna vote for biden, plus, black people are too used to white people and know they are affraid to be outed if they dare to go against them, latinos dont give a shit, if you fuck up with their money and family, you gonna get shot

[@Ehh.....]

Damn I wonder what his brother did to get that deep seated animosity aimed at him. Pat really hates the guy.

[@THeKallOfCtulu]

Pat's talked about snippets on the podcast before. Mostly boils down to him committing like actual crimes at a regular clip and stealing from family members.

[@Ehh.....]

@@THeKallOfCtulu damn that sucks

[@Crusader820]

He stole Pat's hair.

[@malikoniousjoe]

Can relate, blood doesn't shield people from criticism over their actions imo.

[@toko099o]

People have the audacity to say that America isn't protesting as hard as other countries. I would like to point out a few things: 1.The Hong Kong protests are all about a single major city that the majority of the citizens of that city are for, with a clear course of action for what makes the protests succeed and fail. The current protests are unclear as to what the main "point" of them are other then the vague wanting of the ending of police brutality, the issue of pointing out a problem, but not providing a solution. Reformation in how cops operate and changes in accountability laws for police are a clear want, but no specific demands have been made yet. 2.In the United States, you are more likely to get shot dead by cops then in most protests(see an number of videos where press and people in their property are shot at despite any shots at those people being illegal) 3. American infrastructure is far more spread out then in most countries. The United States will have more protests in total because local governments all need to be pressured that lead into people protesting in different ways. 4. American riots are more deadly, violent, and long lasting then in most other counties (yes there are exceptions, but the England fuel riots had been more tame then the LA riots around the same time). 5. The US military is getting involved with enforcing law unlawfully. This is unlawful because in order for the president to deploy the military they must use the Insurrection act, but this act only triggers under some circumstances. The Insurrection Act is the way for the president to get around the Posse Comitatus Act, the act that limits how the military can be used in the United States in terms of how they work with law enforcement. The short of what the Posse Comitaus Act says is that governors can call on the national guard (not the army) and place them under the command of local law enforcement. The Insurrection Act can only be enacted in 3 conditions A. Code § 251. At a governor's request (used during the LA riots, this fails because the army is being deployed into Philadelphia without the governor's request) B.Code § 252. When insurrection (the legal definition) in a state is severe enough local law enforcement is not able to handle it. (Used at Little Rock when the KKK had threatened to kill black children for attending school. This fails because a federal judge needs to confirm that there is an insurrection happening in the state that the troops are being deployed to, and this would need to be done in each state that the president is deploying troops into). C.Code § 253. When a state fails to uphold constitutionally guaranteed rights (used after the civil war to enforce law changes from the civil war. This could be argued in a court due to the bill of rights, but that would radically change how law enforcement is allowed to interact with using force, more or less giving into what most people protesting want to have happen. This still fails because no specific instance has been cited and has not been cleared by a federal judge). The military being used illegal is a major issue because it means that any laws that come from this could be ignored, meaning that anyone at the protest could see rights taken away for nothing or killed with no recourse from the people who killed them. Having the military involved also makes events more deadly (this video mentions the use of military equipment leading to more police brutality reports). Please tell me if I am missing any sections from ether act. The requests from governors so far have just been for national guard invoking the Posse Comitatus act, this is a different set of what I will equate to paper work, so no the states using the national guard did not in fact invoke the Insurrection Act.

[@sokumotanaka9271]

My thoughts go out to George's family. This whole situation is garbage, I'm honestly sick and tired of my skintone deciding my fate and it was very touching that so many people support #Blacklivesmatter So many more than I honestly expected, and woolie and pat you've both been very supportive of this as well, I wanted to thank you.

[@TheDapperDragon]

See, my issue is that BLM is the *only* people about this. BLM has been hijacked by racist fucking monsters, that's just a fact. But now, because their ideologies match up with what's right, they're suddenly heroes being fucking drown in money. So, I'm put in a horrible place. Do I support BLM, thereby supporting racial violence and riots (you simply cannot deny that where BLM goes, riots are seconds behind.), or do I condemn them, and have it be assumed I side with that monster in a badge? Because no one can be a fucking individual anymore.

[@sokumotanaka9271]

ˆˆ You're not doing this here, you're *NOT* gonna take a moment about my people and detract and "what about" it, Make it about the "left or right" etc. twitter.com/Jenna_Marbles/status/1267200777375715329?s=20 Like so many others have with some many other statements since this started. I'm not in any mood to deal with you. You want an answer? Support BLM and that's it, end of story . It's not their fault as said in the vide that rioters took over a peaceful moment. You can support the people who want racial equality and tried stopping the Riots Protesters =/= rioters plain and simple. (Even if rioters are two steps behind you support black lives so they can outpace them and try not turning it into one enitity)

[@luckystrike5199]

@@sokumotanaka9271 Your people? You mean people without objective analysis skills?

[@sokumotanaka9271]

@@luckystrike5199 Yeah you can stow that shit. seems more like your department anyway. This is not the time nor place for any of your bullshitiry. I am in no mood.

[@tylerlackey1175]

I knew I would strike gold by scrolling the comments. Thanks for making me cry from laughter. "Sick and tired of my skintone" Seeing people choose internet points instead of therapy always gets a smile out of me

[@ButcherGod]

Woolies chronological memory of events, was damn near backwards... Epstein was like the first thing of the year lol.

[@ultimatedespairgamer6722]

Not his death, anonymous are revealing his ties pretty recently

[@zigmus00A]

Expecting people in general to remember events for any length of time is impossible. People go out into the street to protest/riot like they completely forgot Covid was a thing. Does anybody even remember that stuff about the Hong Kong Protesters? lol The masses are forget about this in a month.

[@ata4794]

@@zigmus00A Well masses (I'm guessing you mean america) forget because it doesn't happen there. The protests in Hong Kong are still happening though, but I don't think masses would forget about it or ignore it if it was literally happening in the US. But yeah you're right people do forget things too quickly

[@sokumotanaka9271]

with so much happening, trama and stress I expect you wouldn't remember the events completely as well. Woolie's got alot on his plate too the least you can do is show a little care. As Zigmus00A says expecting people to remember events for any length of time is impossible,

[@jesuslopezmartinez5904]

ata That last part reminds me of Persona 5’s ending, people just forget things too easily.

[@Gaarkukan21]

Why do the peaceful protesters get correlated with the looters and rioters? Are there any people who actually understand that this situation is far more complex than just left vs right?

[@brokentower3148]

This is a deliberate rhetorical stategy of the far right since... at least 1723.

[@Tryhardblackguy]

This have always been a tactic

[@rockdragon3]

@@brokentower3148 would that be before or after the right wingers had a civil war to free the slaves? and would that be before or after the Democratic party created the KKK?

[@managarn8038]

The gist of it is that no protest = no looter. Protest enables looters and rioters which is why they are correlated. Police have to babysit protester and they become stretched thin (or more accurately they are concentrated in one area) This leave them unable to respond in time everywhere adequately. Peaceful protest can turn into riot easily. Individuals are smart, groups are not. Much like how people are protesting that police should be accountable for their own, so should protest. They need to be strict and quickly shut that shit down so no looting and rioting happens. One of current issue i think is that a lot of the protest are heavily disorganized with no clear leaders. Making it easy for people with bad intentions to turn things to shit. And before im told off as pro-police. Im not for or agaisnt. I abhor all form of violence and we do truly need a police reform. We actually need reform in many aspect of society from academia, politics, police, army, etc. When the people lose trusts in the instutitions is how these violent riot happens. People are fed up and changes is needed but meaningful changes wont come from burning and looting cities either.

[@pinkstarmona1695]

@@rockdragon3 The party switch just doesn't exist to you I see Besides that America is much more right wing than other countrirs

[@PS1-Hagrid]

If years were video games, 2020 is the one written by David Cage.

[@turkish8969]

Zhe black peopel have zhe emoshuans

[@MinersLoveGames]

Remember how Indigo Prophecy had like Aztecs, ghosts, aliens, and all sorts of other shit as well? That's what 2020 has been like.

[@NoahWolfWiseKingWolf]

@@turkish8969 you see this fat cop with a beard? He has the evil

[@crystal2862]

That's so fucking true holy shit This whole debacle reminded me so much of Detroit Become Human

[@andreslazo8315]

I feel like every time someone talks to me about what a union is up to lately, it sounds like a mobster organization rather than what it's supposed to be.

[@brokentower3148]

Nah, that's just what the hereditary warrior cults we call police do.

[@Blackemail94]

Unions are extremely important but can ofc take it too far... These contract renegotiations have some messed up stuff in them ..

[@dakota4384]

Unions are very rarely in the modern age good.

[@brokentower3148]

@@dakota4384 Well, yeah, they made the good unions illegal with that loyalty oath bullshit and inquisitions, then Nixon's mafia buddies took over the teamsters and endorsed him.

[@R0B1NG5]

@@dakota4384 If you live in the US, sure. Generations of momentum from the red scare era thinking and the resulting policies will do that to anything that benefits workers. In other countries the hit rate is way better.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

Hey guys, thanks for discussing this topic. As someone who lives in an affected city and has friends in protests let me say: there would be no riots without police. Police cause these riots by opening fire and enforcing curfews that serve no purpose. I have seen protests go peaceful BECAUSE there were no cops. I've also seen Minneapolis protestors setting up camp outside of Target giving free supplies to the people.

[@Namasknight]

I'm just going to call bullshit. There absolutely would be riots.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

@@Namasknight Why do you say that? I agree there would be rioters, but these people don't walk because they want to create chaos. They protest because there is an injustice. I have seen videos of police setting up bricks, goading protestors, even pulling a couple out of there car as they attempt to leave the protest area.

[@Namasknight]

@@blitzkriegdragon013 id wait before I pull an Alex Johns for those brick vids. But even if, a swarm of people running and stealing property is hardly a false flag. people are passonate and dont know what else to do. so IE riots. you dont need cops for that.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

@@Namasknight Well I've seen protests with cops and without. Guess which ones were peaceful? The Karen protestors were fully armed yet the police found no need to fire at them. Minneapolis didn't start burning until after police started firing. Listen, I am not saying that stealing from Mom and Pops is right. But the police still murder innocent people before and during this. Look up the final words of all those Black people they killed and you tell me you wouldn't be angry. This has been coming for a long time. George Floyd was merely the catalyst. The police brought this on them selves when they continually refused to self regulate or be subject to community oversight (look up New York Police Union riots of 2016).

[@playtoyx]

This! Yes this is it. Finally a discussion about race relations and authority that isn't just a surface bit that goes on too long. I'm back in. Thank you Woolie and Pat for the cool headed and deeper level of discussion; if you bring up real topics. I love all the shit tier stuff you talk about. You guys and this podcast is a reprieve from real life problems. I want you to be able to meander in and out of topics. But if a real topic comes up I'd rather you drop it quick or dig in. The way these race topics were coming up before were just feeling exploitative for a in my opinion really bad joke. But because of this clip I'm resubscribed and will catch up on the podcasts I missed.

[@bobcatbix]

What happened on pats end? Why is he a frozen elmo? Did he link the fire?

[@ladymaskmaker6667]

He's naked because his air conditioning broke.

[@JakeN482]

25:00 Note: Evidence showing that body cameras don't affect police behavior doesn't completely reduce the utility of mandating them. They can still significantly reduce the amount of time it takes to litigate instances of he said she said arguments in court houses, which can help reduce the strain on the court systems. Admittedly court systems could be alleviated by not arresting people as often, but why just do one thing at once?

[@Mr_Wholegrain]

Pat looks taller this episode.

[@smd242]

Thank you for sharing this woolie. Found the tweet link on the subreddit. Nice to see hard data to support some optimism in all this craziness.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Man Pat has more hair than usual.

[@sadesemolu]

And taller.

[@RebDT]

I've been saying it since February, things are gonna get worse before they get better.

[@newpeupyoass]

Lets players are truly the modern philosophers of our time.

[@newpeupyoass]

Why else would we care about what two Canadians who play video games for a living have to say about American police policy?

[@rasusbeijaminas2301]

Pat is truly the Diogenes of the 21st century.

[@iller3]

give it time... they just haven't been bought-out by the establishment yet like the Comedians were

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@iller3 ...but the establishment is in full support of the protests every major company has come out with a pro statement

[@Dasaltwarrior]

@@cyberninjazero5659 Yeah, like Blizzar- oh... OOF

[@professorbadvibes695]

Holy shit, I had no idea about the Toronto police thing. Does anyone have any footage of it? I looked it up but couldn't find any news.

[@slingerscrim1583]

Keep these comments open.

[@juda210]

Yeah bro, your audience is not ready for this kind of talk lmao Though I thoroughly enjoyed the segment, watching it live w twitch chat was a goddamn nightmare

[@leahmartin3287]

What were these fuckers saying

[@0rriAndroid]

In summary: Protest good. Riot bad.

[@sir_stride]

I'd argue its more protest good. Initial riots understandable but ultimately bad. Alot of people were hurting after the death of George Floyd. And the fact that people have refused to listen after years of trying for peaceful protests.....well...it takes a toll. Not condoning or excusing their behavior, just want to add some nuance. Hopefully things change for the better after all this

[@0rriAndroid]

That's fair. I really don't feel that acting in violence ever solves anything.

[@mannythelazyguy6529]

pat on twitter: its just targets bruh, they can reuild it, it doesnt matter

[@Minatoleekrinaze]

@@0rriAndroid While I personally prefer peaceful protest... Stonewall wasn't for nothin'. And a lot of people attribute victory in the Civil Rights era to MLK, but Malcolm and the Black Panthers were there too. And Malcolm and MLK both knew that one could not "exist" without the other and lead to change.

[@sir_stride]

@@Minatoleekrinaze you are right on that front, i suppose.

[@Shaso1000]

The problem is that correlation is not causation. I do agree these cops with bad records should be removed.

[@JohnRayner5]

Sit down black man. All these incidents are outliers. Your experience (TM) as a minority in America is usually totes fine so shut up.

[@ultimatedespairgamer6722]

Gotta wonder why bad cops can have 17 complaints filed against them but yet none of these good cops try to hold them accountable until riots start

[@Dread_Not]

@@ultimatedespairgamer6722 I guess you haven't worked for a big organization or company before to know how chain of command works.

[@bakatsugu]

@@JohnRayner5 As a black man, the majority of these incidents _are_ outliers. Not only from an experiential POV but from a statistical one. The majority of the time, the bad cops get weeded out. Not enough, of course, because there are still plenty of cases of bad cops being allowed to continue. But those aren't even a small majority of the cases lol, acting like they are doesn't help anything. Statistically, race of cop vs race of suspect doesn't play much of a role in determining if they shoot. In fact, black cops were more likely to shoot black suspects than white ones. That's beside the point though. It's not a racial issue, it's just an authority issue with cops in general.

[@jac_238]

Ultimate Despair Gamer Because of the work culture in most police departments. If you’re against one cop then you’re against all of them. On top of that, police unions have A LOT of power, and they’re the reason that 9 times out of 10, cops either get off Scott free for their actions or receive a slap on the wrist

[@HoChiMints2007]

Over-eager riot police and over-excited agitators are the worst. Even more if they're IRL livestreaming for kicks like "haha im pranking these guys bros, send more superchats"

[@Lazypackmule]

God, that shit's annoying There are plenty of videos going around of actual police brutality, but then you've also got videos of attention-starved idiots holding their hands up and screaming like their lives are in danger, while the cops they're supposedly afraid of are just standing there at rest, not even looking at them

[@RavenCloak13]

Lazypackmule Honestly most of the videos seem to be the attention grabbers. Even the ones just livestreaming the events could be seen as that but also be just to document the events. I have seen one recently about the Black retired police chief David Dorn being surrounded by the most stereotypical Black folks ever just watching him die and no one calling the cops cause of EVERYTHING else happening and thinking they’d just come by instead of try and take him to the hospital themselves or even try and do first aid. You see them put a tarp over his body and see the dying David Dorn with his turned on phone in his hand trying to mouth something as the guy filming goes “yo R.I.P. my dude” and then I go to “Hoodsite,com” (DON’T FUCKING LOOK THIS UP IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE GORE, VIOLENCE AND OTHER REALLY HARD TO WATCH SHIT) to just learn for the first time yesterday that... oh, you can just watch people die and be tortured on the not Deep Web... I saw dogs get fed a pedophiles balls alive, police brutality on the old, people filming them on their porches and other shit, a Fedex truck dragging a rioters body under his 16 wheeler cause they flashed they had guns and he floored it when they started stealing shit from his truck, tear gassing, prisoners burying Corona victims with the homeless corpses in New Yorks Hart Island, and racism on ALL SIDES... shits fucked all over and it’s a real eye opener to just... see everything in the world. Live. Not really edited. Just... “Hoodsite,com” was a crazy thing to find.

[@johnathonscutt4743]

Bit late to the punch but ey, this was a solid discussion, don’t tend to get a lot of that in these subjects, which is honestly sad. While I may not agree with everything and such, it’s always nice to hear an actual level headed talk, hopefully this time round there will be some true change all round, definitely been a roller coaster of a year so far that’s for sure

[@TheOnlyGuermo]

What shocked me the most was, there were I think 4 other cops there, for 9 minutes they did nothing, and while I know racism can be in any race, they seemed to be a group of varied races, faced with this, seeing a cop of a differing race than the man being abused, 1. none of them on a pure human level stepped up. and then after that 2. None of them on a selfish level of "That could be me or my family under his knee" stepped up. At least I could trust pieces of trash to serve their own self interest, but they don't work like people, they are monsters, cruel, inhuman monsters.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

That's the secret that race baiting narrative doesn't want to admit to. Police Brutality is not a race issue but a power/class issue.

[@SergioSource]

@@cyberninjazero5659 Yeah but how else can we justify our yearly anarchy shitshow?

[@TheOnlyGuermo]

@@cyberninjazero5659 yeah, it could have been any race against any race, its power vs the powerless. Just like how big business crushes everyone under foot.

[@Sinthioth]

Research suggests breathing is good

[@gamerchurl3639]

Thanks for this, really interesting. Always figured the use of excessive force came from variation in how much policy was enforced/ignored, had no idea there was such a disparity in standards across forces.

[@VileVamp]

Anyone have a link to the studies Woolie is going over here? I can't find them, and I really want to read them. I missed the stream.

[@willhughes9447]

twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224?s=21

[@VileVamp]

@@willhughes9447 Thank you, friendo.

[@davidjorge4135]

Been watching you two since the sbfp days. Not surprised you have this (correct) take on the issue!

[@Necromas]

So depressing to see that 4 years have passed and so little has changed. In the US at least, not familiar with CA and other countries. There has been a marked increase in the use of alternative first response programs that focus on sending non-police to respond to calls that should not have any reason to need an armed officer. And that's really important and a great move. But that's just one part of the problem and these programs still have a long way to go before they see the adoption level they should be at. But absolutely nothing has happened in Washington, cops that should be locked up still get a slap on the wrist with pay and *maybe* have to transfer, pretextual stops and profiling are as bad as ever, for profit prisons and issuing fines to meet funding quotes are still a huge problem, etc....

[@iller3]

*Every pro-Authoritarian anti-protest youtube comment I've seen the past week:* _"I can't refute the longstanding conditions that led to this uprising, so instead I will intentionally confuse millions of peaceful Protesters with the handful of Looters being sensationalized in my preferred media Echo Chambers"_

[@icyjiub2228]

@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny Because the only other option other than keeping things going until there is reform and trying to help the peaceful ones regulate the rioters is to have trump and his fascist goons open fire into the fucking crowds. Trump calling for military action on protesters is some fascist shit dude, whether you know what fascism is or not.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny Fuck you, fascist.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@WTFisTingispingis I hope this is sarcasm but it could just be Poe's Law

[@JulesJuno737]

"Violence always bad?" Oh is it? Is it really? :> Great, you'll have no problem joining us at a peaceful protest against the violence. Wear your running shoes, those cops sure are vicious! But only some of them of course! Just in case guys in uniform get *violent* like they usually do. But only some of them teehee~ Fucking big brains conflating the two and negating the necessity of protesting for reform and justice based on vandalism. The marches still need to happen, bad actors and provocateurs be damned.

[@iller3]

@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny -- " Twittertards going "No we NEED to burn down buildings and police shouldn't exist, and anyone who disagrees with me is literally Hitler."" -- congratulations, you've just committed another painfully transparent false-Equivalency involving a bunch of Slactivists who are not even part of the GROUND LOGISTICS affecting any of this. IE: you're not even strawmanning a bunch of LARP'ers, you're basing your entire argument off of the ANONs who are "playing at home" on their cheap chinese Rip off *Mobile App* version of the events at hand

[@jonetgames]

6:40 man, I haven't heard of most of those, I've really been living under a rock. World War 3? UFO sighting and hornets? Where can I catch up on all of these happenings?

[@RafaelRB11]

Thank you Woolie.

[@jackson3475]

(36:22) Wait... if a complaint takes too long it is disqualified... but the people who receive said complain can/have to dalay it?

[@Zantetsu13]

Woolie you really need to pay close attention to what is being asserted in research papers vs what people claim they say. A statistically insignificant decrease in the general use of force because of body cameras could easily mean a complete 100% deterrent to abuses of force because of body cameras. In second place, any research paper that has not been peer reviewed means jack squat, I can easily make a research paper that concludes all violence in the world is retroactively caused by videogames, and that is not even getting into the number of papers that falsified data to support their conclusions or research that has design flaws and renders the data invalid due to an honest mistake. Personally I find it hard to believe that adding red tape to being a murderous asshole is going to stop or slow down people who have made a career of avoiding red to be a murderous asshole. Make police misconduct a federal crime, don't let local courts who have a conflict of interest decide when the police is abusing their power, and disband police unions altogether.

[@TheBAGman17]

disbanding police unions give more power to corrupt higher ups to fire anyone they dislike.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@TheBAGman17 The police ultimately answer to the mayor because the mayor has all but complete control over who gets to be police chief and what they're allowed to do (Look at any Antifa riot where the cops stick their thumbs up their asses and sit pretty because they were given stand down orders). But then that would lead to uncomfortable questions about elections doing nothing and certain political parties "selling the drugs while running the rehab clinic" to use a turn of phrase

[@VileSentry]

@@TheBAGman17 As opposed to giving power to a corrupt union that supports abusive and murderous people in positions of authority? This isn't a teacher's union, this is the kind of situation where someone getting fired is not the biggest issue.

[@VileSentry]

@@cyberninjazero5659 Mayors do not have power over cops, neither do governors. You should probably do a bit of research on this subject.

[@bgc2041]

all the information in the world means nothing if we cant get people to even look at it.

[@augustinoesposito951]

Don't forget about Hong Kong!

[@sirchucklefuckle1423]

Dude not the time or place, read the room.

[@Gaarkukan21]

@@sirchucklefuckle1423 Nah, Hong Kong is dealing with police brutality too right now. It's fine it's not going to downplay the entire movement.

[@JulesJuno737]

Of course! Both mvmts can say things in solidarity w/ each other.

[@dakota4384]

@@Gaarkukan21 Wouldnt call it police brutality, more like invasion of commie fascists.

[@augustinoesposito951]

No disrespect meant.

[@justblake6975]

Really cool you guys covered this

[@BTM8109]

Is that Pat's next form?

[@malo9792]

My city is one of the most peaceful in their protests. I went to 4 of the 6 days we've had. The other day a young girl stood on top of the truck with a speaker and sung a Christian song. I'm not religious but that song, her voice, the crowd broke me. I have black family and I feared for their lives more and more recently. I suggest everyone try to find a peaceful protest and take part

[@TKCassanova]

Anyone have the clip from a long time ago where they talked about the anti police brutality demonstrations?

[@zombieplasticclock]

I remember the old Podcast mentioning Canada's "Police Brutality Day" a few times. Search that and you'll probably find it

[@ryco9669]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZ6maYZ-fMl2mtU

[@dakota4384]

@@zombieplasticclock They also talked about police skip week, where the taxi union tried to take out the limo companies violently.

[@zombieplasticclock]

@@dakota4384 Yeah thats a goodun. The podcast has taught me loads of wacky Canada history I never would have known otherwise

[@oluwahefner4194]

"but can you still breathe tho ?" OOF. Shout out to you WOOLIE

[@JoseRS1186]

Really great stuff here. Actually putting up data and info that could help. Hope no one jumps on here to use the criminal element having a field day to paint with the same brush all those protesters. Hope no one uses bad actors and in some cases deliberate secret police saboteurs to justify all the brutality that's been going on for hundreds of years. I certainly hope people don't think that any fucked up casualties by an angry mob somehow justifies the deliberate, cold show of force by the President and his attack dogs. Too late? Ah... Damn.

[@icyjiub2228]

@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny Because if we go along with your idea then literally nothing is gonna change. People have been waiting their whole lives for the cops to stop shooting black people, across generations. Also we're not racist shithead Nazis posting FBI crime statistics arguing for a goddamn ethnostate

[@JoseRS1186]

@The nobody shit isn't fucking funny Nothing that Pat said or what I posted states that there's some black flag shit going on. Though there's plenty of videos of people trying to goad people into violence being rebuffed and those people being either A: Rightwing Internet Trolls or B: Undercover cops. You think those Aussie News Reporters were fake too? I'm done with you and yours.

[@Thousands-of-Angry-Ghosts]

@@brokentower3148 Whoa let's cool it with the homophobic remarks, guy.

[@icyjiub2228]

@@Thousands-of-Angry-Ghosts Oh shut up. This guys been going around calling people subhuman and telling black people that they have no right to complain about how they're treated. He can eat shit and go home to fellow clowns.

[@Thousands-of-Angry-Ghosts]

​@@icyjiub2228 Fucked up man, but let's not cause an intersectional crossfire here. Anyway I hope all the protesters have been taking hydroxychloroquine with zinc and azithromycin and stay safe out there.

[@VanTesla]

The one thing that bothers me about the entire situation besides the repeating process of insanity. Is that everyone agrees law enforcement in the USA specifically has many systemic issues. Why this repeats with no solutions though is because each time it's immediately hijacked and derailed by multiple parties. In my opinion making it entirely about race for example when police of all races and gender have unjustly killed every type of civilian is a major immediate division in a universally agreed issue. For example a man who was white who did nothing died the same exact way as Mr. Floyd had unjustly done to him. In essence without going on and on there is much more complexity to the situation than just racism which does happen. It's also just bad officers, incompetence, power crazed, and etc. It also doesn't help when the rioters immediately hijack many of the protest and beside the few good protesters going beyond to put these bad actors away by working with law enforcement in that instance, that the riots are more common than actual peaceful protest. Also because there have been 10-13 deaths since this started and some are civilians who weren't part of either side or the officer that was killed that did nothing at the time has only made any progress nearly impossible... I do hope sooner than later for true unity, but sadly I won't hold my breath. If anything things will get way worse and I know some of my opinions are consider fringe by how media and corporate false empathize in my view.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

Have there been deaths since this has started? I've seen nothing about this. I empathize with you on corporate coopting of movements, but this is about race and police brutality. Black people are disproportionately targeted and attached by cops. The race of the cops don't matter. The problem with the police is that they're department is corrupt to its core. There is no room for his cops because many times good cops are fired or tried for speaking out against their department.

[@dakota4384]

@@blitzkriegdragon013 1 Black Fed. Officer has been killed and recently a 77 year old retired black cop was also murdered defending a store from looters. Both by rioters. Several others have died as well.

[@blitzkriegdragon013]

@@dakota4384 I looked it up and found a good list of casualties. Thanks for the update. It was bound to happen but still a tragedy. I am noticing a lot of these are bystanders and not officers. But I appreciate the input either way.

[@VanTesla]

@@blitzkriegdragon013 Yes there has in USA. A man was brutally beat to death by rioters. A rioter was killed trying to hijack a truck and subsequently getting crushed under it. Another rioter was shot dead by a bar owner who was defending his property. A federal agent was killed while another severely wounded by an unmarked whit van during the riots and protest. A officer was killed off duty who was African American. Those are the ones I know off the top of my head without checking the others. Besides that and the immense property damage that has generally effected mostly the black community and poor. Many brutal beatings by a couple law enforcement has still un shockingly happened and many bad actors, wannabe revolutionaries, and rioters have robbed and brutally beaten civilians of all ethnicity. A husband beaten near death watched helplessly as his wife was then beaten and worse... Again I say it's not only about race because statistically and also historically the issues in say law enforcement go beyond say black and white. For example in the bad areas where the black community are in dire straights the crime rate between black on black is high per capita than white on white or white on black. That though in my opinion by evidence has nothing to do about race, but environment, living conditions, broken families, and generational set back that where contributed by vile people who where racist. Again there is much more complexity to the situation and again it is by both bad and good intentions side tracked to focus solely on a specific than the whole picture. I believe in part that some in power want it that way as a divided society is easier to manipulate for those who control information. I'm sure we might likely disagree on many aspects, but I hope we can come to an understanding that none of us want oppression.

[@VanTesla]

@@blitzkriegdragon013 oh and I know well about good cops getting screwed by the union/precinct. A example was this officer a few years ago who was former military had to deal with a mentally ill man with a gun. This officer in my opinion showing fine example did not try to escalate as the man was try to suicide by cop. The officer was making progress talking the man down without pulling his firearm out. Just when the mentally ill man was going to put the gun down. Another coo car came and the other officer immediately shot the man... The officer who was de-escalating was reprimanded and if I recall taken off duty... That still pisses me off be it a couple years since I saw it. Also besides the issue in law enforcement and the black community in many areas a issue not talked about at all is the in many cases as bad if worse treatment of Native Americans. Also though not bad today. The Irish and Italians where heavily targeted by Law Enforcement for racial or specifically ethnic reasons. Italians because of the Mafia attachment and Irish because of the Protestant and Catholic division. I don't know if you knew this, but in USA in my grandfather's time the Irish where sought out by law enforcement a lot. My grandfather was as a young man even beaten half to death by drunk policeman who hated Irish. The prohibition was also in part placed because of the growing Irish/ Catholic population. Obviously today for Irish or Catholics it isn't bad in any aspect to many black communities today. Just saying there is many layers to this issue that has plagued us for to long.

[@hannahf9301]

Just commenting for algo, thank you for talking about this

[@GoodOlChippy1]

I think body cams are still a good idea. Perhaps there could be only third party access to the footage and severe consequences for body cams not being on? If they’re on it’s still evidence and if there’s actual consequences then it’s a useful tool for holding cops accountable.

[@emperorjoker9240]

Dude that’s insane, I was in the military Home who don’t have nearly as much power.

[@KOBELTDRAWS]

Thank you for discussing this