🏆 CASUAL Player WINS cEDH

Big thanks to the welcoming PNW cedh scene and all the competitors at Commandfest Tacoma! Also to kylep's decklist on Moxfield and the Elsha discord!
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[@jarrakul]

I love the game theory of "each opponent would rather you not know their deck, but each opponent would also rather you know the other opponents' decks" leading to them explaining each other's decks.

[@harleybaker4684]

Even moreso because once one person cracks, the others are gonna spill that guys deck to even the score lol

[@Duncan55Watson]

I love the opponents explaining others decks. Awesome

[@VeggieWagon]

It was the biggest factor tbh

[@LorenceLinzWrightwoo]

@@VeggieWagon and how does one find that?

[@VeggieWagon]

what do you mean?

[@Duncan55Watson]

@@VeggieWagon the way you got your opponents to explain the decks to you

[@VeggieWagon]

I just asked straight up while we shuffled, it was in their best interest that I knew how to stop the others

[@jasonwarren516]

Hey Veggie! I was your Atraxa opponent, and it was awesome playing against you. I guess one of my claims to fame is beating you in the swiss lol. Keep up the great content.

[@VeggieWagon]

That was a great win! The whole table was like "nah, Atraxa isn't winning on t3" and oops

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

Admittedly not the deck I plan to build/proxy for cEDH (Rocco Food Chain 4 lyfe), but absolutely. Knowing how your deck works and if you're unfamiliar with the decks at the table, asking are the premier tricks to getting better and possibly winning.

[@mattjrm3847]

Congrats Veggie! So hyped to see my favorite brewer do well in cEDH!

[@ethanhickle2929]

Welcome to CEDH!! Also asking for information from your opponents is fantastic advice!

[@ihaveanaccount3627]

Damn cedh seems a lot more chill than regular edh

[@ericalvarenga8145]

It is

[@jemm113]

It really is 1) it’s entirely community driven 2) because everyone knows the power level, we don’t run into issues like casual commander does with deck building choices (even when we complain for stuff like Nadu, it’s a jab at WotC for card design decisions or the rules committee not addressing things timely) 3) most tournaments allow proxies so money becomes less of an issue, or entirety a non-issue if the rest of the deck is rather budget. The format uses a TON of weird and niche cards that don’t see play in casual and aren’t reserve list so some staples are surprisingly cheap. You don’t run into a lot of elitism like you do in Modern, at worst people show off their real copies of stuff but we know we’re here to play the game, not wallets. 4) the only thing you get flamed on is not knowing your deck’s lines (and threat assessment but that’s fixed with exposure), but thanks to online resources it’s very easy to study how your deck works if you are pulling from known archetypes and commanders. 5) rogue decks can and do win and most are very sportsmanlike about it since it can be a very fun surprise at a table when the big beatdown deck manages to actually kill the table 😂 6) EVERYONE runs removal and interaction. There’s little bickering about people not running enough and getting mad at the table when someone drops a problem spell and it goes unanswered. Usually it’s because removal was already used up and the people are playing smart. 7) pretty much everyone is supportive of teaching new players since it’s a niche format. Players are pretty knowledgeable about the rules so they are able to help newbies get brought up to speed on rules interactions and threat assessment. 8) We play to win. At a competitive table, politicking is mostly reserved for answering wincons or stax. Petty plays are usually not optimal so are discouraged. The worst you get is priority manipulation where the first player passed priority to a threat or interaction sandbags to see if someone else will answer and gets annoyed when no one else does and the last player doesn’t do something to restart priority before the spell resolves (especially when said threat only hurts 1 or 2 players) and not the last, hence the refusal to “cooperate”. But this is generally discouraged. All in all, thanks to the community focus and mostly divorcing gameplay from the wallet for reserve list cards and expensive staples, the community is very positive and constructive.

[@alanparana6899]

@@jemm113seems like you need better friends to play edh with. All of this is true in edh as well as long as you aren’t playing with cy babies. Plus, you missed “it’s much less creative and pigeon holed, if your deck doesn’t consistently win turn 3-4 alone you aren’t playing cedh, and it devolves the game into who luckily/politically won the interaction war”.

[@The_Sharktocrab]

That doesn't make any sense

[@The_Sharktocrab]

​@@jemm113half of these things you list as pros are actually cons, at least from a casual perspective. You should consider that not everyone is a try hard magic player

[@trick130o5]

Do you have a decklist available? I’m curious to see

[@VeggieWagon]

on my moxfield!

[@scubadragon6384]

Congrats 👏 love to see people enjoying Cedh. Especially getting a top 16 on your first run. 🎉

[@SwedeRacerDC]

I love Thought Lash! Nicely done

[@hulksmash106]

I tried getting into cEDH for a bit, but it just wasn't fun. I like my long games where i get to do dumb shit.

[@jemm113]

Play Krark//Sakashima or Krark//Thrasios! The decks are all about doing dumb shit 😂

[@hulksmash106]

@jemm113 I got a deck with krark in it. I call straight up gambling. Mr. House is the commander, and it's all about flipping coins and rolling dice

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Play to win talking about how you beat them was hilarious

[@PenanceisNigh]

Some people will be confused as to why an opponent would tell you about what their deck does, but lets be real, its because either: A- You're gonna find out anyway, they might as well just tell ya B- We're nerds, nobody ever wants to talk about our hobbies😢

[@aprofessionalateverything7585]

He's saying at the table of four, each player is willing to explain what the other players' decks do because they want you to deal with the win con. So even if people won't reveal their own deck, if you ask the entire table "what do your decks do," player 1 is willing to explain decks 2 and 3, player 2 is willing to explain decks 1 and 3, player 3 is willing to explain decks 1 and 2 and now you know the entire table even if you don't know anything about CEDH.

[@chainer1918]

I play an Oloro Ad Nauseam / Doomsday list for cEDH, the first local cEDH tournament I went to I faced a Krenko, K’rrik and Tymna Kraum first game and ended up winning the entire tournament

[@Kallastin]

I sold all my stuff awhile back and miss is dearly. Elsha was my intro into cEDH because I bought the precon she came with as my introduction into basic EDH. I loved her style so much I created a deck for EDH but turned out to be a cEDH deck. She is so versatile and with jeskai having so much support for spellcasting and infinite shenanigans. She is SOOO under rated.

[@allbadmanners]

Either birgi or a cost reducer. This is a very efficient and easy deck to build on a budget for cEDH but is a little difficult to pilot so congrats. Not a bad beginner deck for cEDH.

[@jaysuede2627]

Item 2 is exactly why I enjoy playing rogue decks.

[@allbadmanners]

If you want an even cheaper and easier deck to pilot try Stella Lee. She goes infinite with several cards and can win on the spot.

[@Rednos444]

Elshas my preffered cedh too!

[@user-mt5sn7fp2p]

Or sensais top with helm of awakening or any artifact cost reduction, draw your whole deck slap down Aether flux reservoir and beam everyone down for 50. I got the 100 card version with no creatures

[@andrelinked]

My first deck! Artifact/storm/voltron! It was also the cheapest one I ever build!

[@charleschoi9870]

hey i was the sisay in your first pod, was nice to play with you!

[@VeggieWagon]

You too! I was constantly worried about getting Sisay’d! Also we almost lost to dino precon?!

[@charleschoi9870]

@@VeggieWagon why run interaction when you can wait for the other 3 to waste all of theirs

[@brinks2469]

*opponent explains my deck* What? No, my deck is actually optimized to loose as quickly as possible without forfeiting

[@windstar120025]

the first is to casually have thousands of dollars sitting around to buy the cards

[@tytin2545]

The cedh community and tournaments are proxy friendly. The only cost is the printer ink

[@jasonsavory9748]

Yeah discussion is a big part of cEDH too. It’s a game of parts where you regularly end up in 3v1 to stop the 1 from winning

[@sirderik]

EDH tornumentets..... A good way to tell everyone a mile away that you missed the whole point of something and is so committed to something bad/stupid that you can't turn back. Like seriously it's the QI Curve meme, me the super smarts and the super dumb hear that and go "that's just stupid", you can have fun put me on either extreme....than there is the middle part telling how to win these tornumentets.

[@shaden489]

In response to top activation cast siege smash targeting top gg ez

[@dontstealmydiamondsv3156]

I was thinking about trying cEDH since i like things moving quickly, but i realized it isnt slow games i hate, its slow turns. So now im not so sure

[@BVBridesifyer]

Just try it. You play a lot more on other people’s turns too, because there’s more interaction. There are decks that are designed to win on top of someone else’s win attempt.

[@Nyxianmeows]

Didn't even mention intuition pile! You just gotta cast Intuition; grabbing sevinne's reclamation, underworld breach, lions eye diamond, no matter how the opponent slices it you can always cast intuition again and grab brain freeze - which you can then use to win from there given underworld breach

[@krispyhappy]

I really wanna see a deck list :)

[@VeggieWagon]

On my moxfield!

[@VeggieWagon]

On my moxfield!

[@krispyhappy]

@@VeggieWagon thank you 😄

[@martinpfefferle2558]

Top 16... out of how many players?

[@ericalvarenga8145]

Grafdiggers Cage

[@AMeekKiwi]

I personally hate sensei's top. Makes opponents and your turns take forever.

[@DEATHMETALRUST]

Top 16 of how many?

[@9-b_b-9]

top top top top top top toptop top top top top

[@garrettsmith6089]

Been running Elsha cEDH for years it was my first and only cEDH deck. If you need tips let me know

[@KallenMalefic]

Politics in cEDH? Rule zero in cEDH? Mate, that's not cedh. Cedh is win at all costs. You don't have friends at a cEDH table. There is no talking, laughing, just saying what you are doing, and calling the game when it is time (turn 4 max).

[@user-rw5zw9wi2q]

Commander Ruined Magic the Gathering. Change my mind.

[@justharry2190]

wow you top 16 in a casual format what a guy

[@jonlamoreaux2228]

Too bad simic commanders have broken the cedh meta. They don't even need red for dockside because they just clone their opponents lol

[@BVBridesifyer]

Simic commanders aren’t even close to breaking the cedh meta? The only two decent ones are kinnan and nadu and we’re still not sure about nadu

[@jonlamoreaux2228]

@@BVBridesifyer i don't know about you, but the last few cedh tournaments i've been to had far more kinnan lists than blue farm or other top teir lists. and now, for one more mana, instead of a mana doubler in the command zone, you get a ridiculous draw engine..... I doubt your comment will age well

[@BVBridesifyer]

@@jonlamoreaux2228 did any of them win lol Representation in tournaments != winning tournaments and winning tournaments != breaking the meta Let me know when 75% of the table is doing the same thing (ahem flash hulk) then we’ll talk about breaking the meta

[@jonlamoreaux2228]

@@BVBridesifyer kzbin.infoih3-dKZxg38?si=PoNcvM-lX7R0N_Mn

[@jonlamoreaux2228]

@@BVBridesifyer that link is to one of the most prevalent cedh content creators. They literally state that there was a recent top 4 with 3 nadu decks. But please keep denying new data as it comes out

[@ClauseNight]

Friends don't let friend comp the non comp format

[@multicolourmadness2712]

Nobodies stopping you from playing it casually, most people do.